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-- GOOD AFTERNOON. THE. FRIDAY, 

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AUGUST 7th, 2020. TODAY IS 

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FRIDAY, AUGUST 7th, 2026 AND 

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THIS MEETING OF THE ECONOMIC AND

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REVENUE FORECAST COUNCIL WILL 

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COME TO ORDER. I'M DAN STRAUSS,

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CHAIR OF THE ECONOMIC AND 

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REVENUE FORECAST COUNCIL. I'M 

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HERE TODAY WITH MY COLLEAGUES 

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AND I'LL CALL ROLL HERE. 

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COUNCIL PRESIDENT HOLLINGSWORTH 

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PRESENT DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF CITY 

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OPERATIONS AND FORECAST COUNCIL 

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VICE PRESIDENT, VICE CHAIR MARK 

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ELLENBROOK HERE, CITY FINANCE 

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DIRECTOR DWIGHT DIVELY HERE. 

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COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS HERE. UH, 

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WE HAVE FOUR PRESENT AND A 

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QUORUM HERE. SO WE ARE ALSO 

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JOINED TODAY BY STAFF FROM THE 

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ECONOMIC AND REVENUE FORECAST, 

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AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM 

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THE CITY BUDGET OFFICE AND THE 

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CITY COUNCIL. CENTRAL STAFF IS 

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ALSO HERE SOMEWHERE. THEY'LL BE

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HERE MOMENTARILY. THE MAIN 

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PURPOSE OF TODAY'S MEETING IS 

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THAT THE FORECAST IS FOR THE 

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FORECAST COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND 

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REVIEW THE UPDATED ECONOMIC AND 

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REVENUE FORECASTS. THIS FORECAST

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IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT 

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BECAUSE IT WILL SERVE AS THE 

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BASIS FOR THE MAYOR'S UPCOMING 

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PROPOSED BUDGET. CITY BUDGETS 

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ARE ALWAYS LEGALLY MUST BE 

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BALANCED, AND SO THE MAYOR'S 

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PROPOSED SPENDING WILL BE 

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DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE 

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FORECAST IN WHICH WE RECEIVE 

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TODAY. CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN 

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BEGIN ITS REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED

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BUDGET, AND WE. THE FORECAST 

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COUNCIL ARE SCHEDULED TO RECEIVE

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A FINAL REVENUE FORECAST FOR THE

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YEAR ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 16th. 

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THIS OCTOBER FORECAST WILL SET 

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THE STAGE FOR THE CITY'S CITY 

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COUNCIL'S BUDGET DELIBERATIONS 

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AND DETERMINE THE TOTAL 

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RESOURCES TO BE APPROPRIATED 

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THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BEFORE 

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MOVING ON TO THE FORECAST 

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PRESENTATION, LET'S BEGIN BY 

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FORMALLY ADOPTING THE AGENDA FOR

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TODAY'S MEETING. A COPY OF THE 

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AGENDA HAS BEEN CIRCULATED TO 

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MEMBERS AND IS AVAILABLE ONLINE 

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AT THE FORECAST OFFICE WEBSITE. 

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I MOVE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA. IS 

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THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 

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-- SECOND? 

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-- THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED 

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AND SECONDED TO ADOPT THE 

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AGENDA. TODAY'S AGENDA IS BEFORE

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THE FORECAST. COUNCIL. UH, THIS 

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IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS 

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TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD OR 

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REMOVE AN ITEM. ARE THERE ANY 

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PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OR REMOVALS?

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THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO 

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OBJECTIONS, TODAY'S AGENDA WILL

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BE ADOPTED. HEARING NO 

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OBJECTION, TODAY'S AGENDA IS 

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ADOPTED. MOVING ON TO ITEM ONE, 

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WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE 

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2026 MEETING. A COPY OF THE 

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WEBSITE OF THE FORECAST OFFICE. 

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I MOVE TO. I MOVE AND SEEK A 

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SECOND FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE 

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-- IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND 

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SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES 

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ARE NO OBJECTIONS, THE MINUTES 

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OBJECTIONS, THE MINUTES ARE 

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INTO WHY WE'RE HERE. UH, WE'RE

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GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM 

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TWO, WHICH IS THE PRESENTATION 

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OF THE AUGUST 2026 ECONOMIC AND 

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THIS AGENDA ITEM, THE FORECAST 

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OFFICE WILL PRESENT THESE 

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REVISED FORECASTS FOR THIS YEAR,

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NEXT YEAR, AND 2028. WHY THIS IS

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IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WE ARE AT 

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BUDGET PROCESS. SO NOT ONLY DO 

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ARE SETTING THE BUDGET FOR 27 

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AND 28. THIS FORECAST UPDATES 

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THOSE FORECASTS. TODAY'S 

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PRESENTATION WILL BE LED BY 

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STAFF FROM THE CITY'S 

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INDEPENDENT OFFICE OF ECONOMIC 

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AND REVENUE FORECASTS. AND AS A 

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REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC, THIS 

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OFFICE IS SIMILAR TO THE 

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INDEPENDENT FORECASTING OFFICES 

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WASHINGTON STATE, WITH THE MAIN 

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PURPOSE TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY

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THE FORECAST, COUNCIL IS FULLY 

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INFORMED AND TO HAVE FULL RANGE 

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OF QUESTIONS ADDRESSED. STAFF 

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AND CITY BUDGET OFFICE ALSO 

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PARTICIPATE IN THIS BRIEFING. 

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THE STAFF FROM THE CITY BUDGET 

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OFFICE IS ALSO PRESENT TODAY TO 

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PROVIDE BRIEFING REGARDING THE 

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REVENUES STILL WITHIN THE 

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PURVIEW OF THE BUDGET OFFICE. 

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AND SO THIS THE FORECAST OFFICE 

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WILL NOW PRESENT THE BACKGROUND.

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UH, DIRECTOR DURIS, I ALWAYS 

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APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S A LONG 

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LEAD IN WITH OUR CURRENT 

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ECONOMIC SITUATION. WHILE 

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EVERYONE'S ON PINS AND NEEDLES 

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WE WE RECEIVED OR LOST. UM, BUT 

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IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THAT

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FIRST SECTION THAT YOU ALWAYS 

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PRESENT BECAUSE HAVING THIS 

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THREE TIMES A YEAR GIVES US A 

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GOOD SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S

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MET. AND SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER 

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TO YOU TO RUN THROUGH YOUR 

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PRESENTATION. ALL I ASK IS THAT 

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BEFORE YOU MOVE FROM OUR 

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ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT INTO THE 

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FORECAST OPTIONS THAT WE PAUSE, 

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ASK, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS 

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THERE. UM, OVER TO YOU. 

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DIRECTOR. DR. ROSS AND THE 

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COMMITTEE TABLE WOULD LIKE TO 

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INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. JUST FOR 

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THE RECORD, WE ALL KNOW YOU. WE 

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ALL REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE 

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WORK YOU DO, BUT MAYBE ROUND OF 

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INTRODUCTIONS AND THEN JUMP 

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RIGHT INTO THE PRESENTATION. AND

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COLLEAGUES, IF YOU DO HAVE 

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QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, PLEASE 

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FEEL FREE TO ASK THEM. JUST 

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NOTING THAT WE ARE STARTING A 

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HALF AN HOUR LATE BECAUSE 

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COUNCIL CHAMBERS WERE 

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UNAVAILABLE. UM, YEAH 

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-- THANK YOU. CHAIR STRAUSS. 

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-- UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 

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COUNCILMEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, 

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MY NAME IS JAN DURAS. I'M 

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INTERIM DIRECTOR AND CHIEF 

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ECONOMIST AT THE OFFICE OF 

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ECONOMIC AND REVENUE FORECASTS. 

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-- GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. 

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THIS IS SEAN THOMPSON. I WORK 

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WITH THE ON WITH THE OFFICE OF 

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ECONOMIC&amp; REVENUE FORECAST AS 

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WELL. 

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-- GOOD MORNING OR GOOD 

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AFTERNOON, JOE RUSSELL, CITY 

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-- GOOD AFTERNOON. ALEXANDRIA IS

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AN ECONOMIST WITH THE CITY 

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BUDGET OFFICE. 

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-- SO WHICH ONE IS IT AGAIN? 

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THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO 

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LET'S DIVE INTO IT. UM, SO, UM,

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AS ALWAYS, WE ARE FIRST GOING TO

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LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

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SINCE THE LAST FORECAST. UM, THE

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MAIN REASON WHY WE ARE SPENDING 

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CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME ON 

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THAT IS THE WAY HOW THE REVENUE 

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IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS. UH, IN

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THE FIRST STEP, WE ARE TAKING 

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THE US FORECAST. UM, AND AS A 

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MAIN INPUT AND USING IT TO 

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DEVELOP THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC 

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FORECAST. AND THEN THAT REGIONAL

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ECONOMIC FORECAST IS USED AS A 

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MAIN INPUT TO DEVELOP THE 

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REVENUE FORECAST FOR THOSE 

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BY THE ECONOMY, BUSINESS AND 

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TAXES, AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER 

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REVENUE STREAMS. UM, IN RECENT 

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MONTHS, THE IRAN CONFLICT HAS 

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BEEN SHAPING THE OUTLOOK QUITE 

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CONSIDERABLY. IT HAS CREATED 

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NOTABLE HEADWINDS ON THE CHART 

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HERE SHOWS THE IMPACT OF THAT 

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WAR ON OIL AND GAS PRICES IN 

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SEATTLE AREA. THERE WAS A LARGE 

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SPIKE IN MARCH. UM, LOTS OF UP 

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AND DOWNS, LOTS OF UNCERTAINTY. 

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OIL PRICES HAVE COME DOWN 

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RECENTLY, BUT THERE IS STILL 

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VERY HIGH UNCERTAINTY AROUND THE

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OUTLOOK. UM, THINGS ARE VERY 

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HARD TO PREDICT. AND SO THAT 

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ADDS TO OVERALL UNCERTAINTY THAT

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WAS ALREADY PRESENT. THERE. 

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DESPITE ALL THAT UNCERTAINTY, 

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FINANCIAL MARKETS HAVE IN 

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GENERAL PERFORMED QUITE 

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REMARKABLY. UM, THERE WAS A 

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ABOUT 9% DROP AFTER THE WAR 

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STARTED, BUT THEN S&amp;P 500, AS 

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YOU CAN SEE IN THIS CHART, 

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RECOVERED. UM, THOSE RED DOTS 

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SHOW THE POINTS AT WHICH WE WERE

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DELIVERING FORECASTS. SO YOU CAN

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ALSO SEE THAT LAST YEAR THERE 

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WAS SIMILAR SORT OF SITUATION 

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WHERE THE APRIL FORECAST CAME 

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RIGHT AFTER TARIFFS WERE 

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ANNOUNCED. THINGS LOOKED BETTER 

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BY AUGUST, IMPROVED EVEN FURTHER

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BY OCTOBER. THEN AGAIN, WITH THE

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IRAN WAR, THINGS TURNED, UH, 

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DOWN. THE OUTLOOK WAS MORE 

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PESSIMISTIC IN APRIL. BUT SINCE 

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THEN, IN GENERAL, THE ECONOMY 

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HAS, UH, KIND OF MUDDLED 

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THROUGH. UM, AND IN DESPITE ALL 

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THOSE, THOSE TAILWINDS, UM, THE 

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ECONOMY CONTINUES TO GROW AT A 

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SOLID BASE. THAT SAID, THERE ARE

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NOTABLE RISKS BECAUSE OF THE 

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HIGH CONCENTRATION OF GROWTH, 

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WHETHER IT'S LOOKING AT THE 

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INVESTMENT, LOOKING AT CONSUMER 

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SPENDING, LOOKING AT THE SP5 

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HUNDRED INDEX, THERE IS A LOT, 

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UH, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S HANGING 

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ON THE OUTCOME OF HOW THE AI 

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BUILD OUT AND THE INVESTMENT IN 

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AI, HOW THAT WILL AFFECT THE 

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ECONOMY UM, AND WE CAN TALK A 

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LITTLE BIT MORE. 

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-- BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THAT 

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NEXT SLIDE, I'LL JUST MAKE ONE 

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COMMENT THAT THE YOU NOTE HERE, 

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APRIL 10th AS BEING A DATA POINT

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ON THIS CHART. I THINK THAT'S 

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IMPORTANT JUST BECAUSE WHEN YOU 

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ARE PULLING YOUR INFORMATION TO 

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PROVIDE US THESE FORECASTS, 

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YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING THIS THE 

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WEEKS AHEAD OF THIS MEETING AND 

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THIS GRAPH CLEARLY DESCRIBES 

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THAT WE WERE IN A STOCK MARKET 

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DOWNTURN WHILE YOU WERE CREATING

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THOSE THOSE FORECASTS LAST TIME 

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AROUND. SO JUST FOR THE VIEWING 

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PUBLIC, ALL 150, 000 PEOPLE 

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WATCHING THIS PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.

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I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT 

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BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT CONTEXT 

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FOR THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION. 

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-- YEAH, IT IS. YEAH. THERE IS 

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ALWAYS THAT ISSUE THAT BY THE 

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TIME THE FORECAST IS DELIVERED, 

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SOME OF THE INPUT DATA IS 

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ALREADY STALE. AND SO IT'S, UH,

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ESPECIALLY CHALLENGING IN, IN A 

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SITUATION IN AN ENVIRONMENT 

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WHERE THINGS CHANGE WEEK TO 

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WEEK, DAY TO DAY UM, LOOKING A 

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LITTLE BIT AT THE MAIN ECONOMIC 

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DATA FOR THE REGION. UM, AND 

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THAT'S THE EMPLOYMENT DATA. UM,

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THIS CHART HERE COMPARES HOW THE

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REGIONAL ECONOMY FARED RELATIVE 

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TO, TO THE US. THE TOP TWO BARS 

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THAT ARE LABELED TOTAL NONFARM 

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ARE SHOWING THE CHANGE IN 

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OVERALL EMPLOYMENT IN THE FIRST 

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SIX MONTHS OF 2026. FOR THE US 

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THAT'S A BLUE BAR. UM, ROUGHLY 

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A SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 0.2% YEAR 

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OVER YEAR INCREASE IN THE JOB 

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NUMBERS FOR SEATTLE AREA, WE 

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HAVE SEEN A DECLINE, ALMOST HALF

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A PERCENT DECLINE YEAR OVER YEAR

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IN THE FIRST HALF OF 2026. THEN 

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THOSE BARS BELOW SHOW THE 

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DECOMPOSITION BY INDUSTRY. SO 

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ESSENTIALLY SHOW WHICH OF THE 

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INDUSTRIES HAVE UM, HAVE BEEN 

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BEHIND THE SIGNIFICANT DECLINE 

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IN THE SEATTLE METRO AREA. AND 

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HERE I WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS 

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IS REALLY SEATTLE METRO AREA, 

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NOT SEATTLE CITY, BUT, UH, 

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WHAT'S CALLED SEATTLE 

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METROPOLITAN DIVISION, WHICH 

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MEANS KING AND SNOHOMISH 

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COUNTIES. THAT'S THE DATA THAT 

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WE USE TO DEVELOP THAT ECONOMIC 

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FORECAST, BECAUSE THAT'S THE 

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DATA THAT'S RELEASED ON A 

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REGULAR BASIS WITH RELATIVELY 

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LITTLE DELAY. IT'S RELEASED 

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MONTHLY. UM, THERE IS SOME DATA 

341
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ON EMPLOYMENT BY CITY, BUT IT'S

342
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COMING MUCH LESS OFTEN. UH, I'LL

343
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TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN 

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A COUPLE OF SLIDES. BUT HERE 

345
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AGAIN, THIS IS THE REGION AS A 

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WHOLE. AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, 

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LAYOFFS IN THE TECH SECTOR HAVE 

348
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LED TO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF 

349
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JOB LOSSES IN THE INFORMATION 

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SECTOR. THE HIGHER INTEREST 

351
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RATES, UH, HAVE ALSO CREATED 

352
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HEADWINDS FOR THE REAL ESTATE 

353
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INDUSTRY. THAT'S UNDER 

354
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FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES HERE. THERE

355
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ARE ONGOING EFFECTS OF TARIFFS 

356
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WHICH ARE PULLING DOWN WHOLESALE

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AND RETAIL TRADE. AND SO THOSE 

358
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ARE THE PRIMARY SECTORS BEHIND 

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THOSE DECLINES THAT WE ARE 

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SEEING YEAR OVER YEAR IN THE 

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REGION. TURNING TO THE OUTLOOK, 

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UH, FIRST, LOOKING AGAIN AT THE 

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US AS A WHOLE, THAT'S THE 

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FORECAST THAT WE GET FROM S&amp;P 

365
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GLOBAL AND FROM MOODY'S 

366
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ANALYTICS. UH, THE CHARTS HERE 

367
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SHOW THE AVERAGE FORECAST FROM 

368
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THOSE TWO COMPANIES. THE MAIN 

369
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IDEA HERE IS TO HEDGE THE RISK 

370
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IN TERMS ONE OF THOSE FORECASTS 

371
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TURNS OUT TO BE EITHER TOO 

372
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OPTIMISTIC OR PESSIMISTIC. THE 

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AVERAGE IS AN ATTEMPT TO TO 

374
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BALANCE IT OUT. UM, SO THE LINE 

375
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FOCUSING HERE ON THAT PANEL ON 

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THE LEFT LABELED CPU THAT SHOWS 

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THE EXPECTED YEAR OVER YEAR 

378
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INFLATION BACK IN IN MARCH. IT 

379
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SHOWS THE BASELINE AND THE 

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PESSIMISTIC OUTLOOK. UH, SINCE 

381
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THEN. UM, THE OIL PRICES HAVE 

382
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GONE UP AND STAYED HIGHER FOR 

383
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LONGER THAN EXPECTED. AND SO THE

384
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INFLATION HAS ACTUALLY, UM, HAS 

385
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ACTUALLY INCREASED MORE IN LINE 

386
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WITH THAT PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO. 

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SO WE HAVE SEEN A 4%, ROUGHLY 4%

388
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YEAR OVER YEAR CHANGE IN THE US 

389
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INFLATION. UM, IT'S EXPECTED TO

390
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STAY ELEVATED FOR THE REST OF 

391
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THE YEAR BEFORE IT COMES DOWN. 

392
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NOW UNDER THE PESSIMISTIC 

393
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FORECAST, AGAIN, LOTS OF 

394
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UNCERTAINTY AROUND WHERE THINGS 

395
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WILL GO AROUND THE ION CONFLICT 

396
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IN THE PESSIMISTIC, MORE 

397
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PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO. UM, THERE 

398
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IS A MORE PRONOUNCED EFFECT ON 

399
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INFLATION. AND IT WOULD PEAK 

400
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SOMEWHERE AROUND 4.5%, NOT 

401
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ANYWHERE AS HIGH AS IN 2022, BUT

402
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SIGNIFICANT INCREASE COMPARED TO

403
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WHERE THE INFLATION WAS LAST 

404
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YEAR AND WHERE IT WAS EXPECTED 

405
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TO HEAD WERE IT NOT FOR, AGAIN, 

406
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THE ION WAR. ON THE CHART ON 

407
00:14:06,545 --> 00:14:09,648
THAT PANEL ON THE RIGHT SIDE 

408
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LABELED FEDERAL FUNDS EFFECTIVE 

409
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RATE SHOWS, UH, THE INTEREST 

410
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RATE THAT THE FED IS USING AS 

411
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ITS PRIMARY TOOL FOR MONETARY 

412
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POLICY. AGAIN, REWINDING A 

413
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LITTLE BIT BACK TO WHAT THINGS 

414
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LOOKED LIKE, UM, IN, IN MARCH, 

415
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IT WAS IN THE GENERAL BELIEF WAS

416
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THAT THE FED WILL CONTINUE WITH,

417
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UH, WITH EASING TO SUPPORT THE 

418
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ECONOMY, LABOR MARKET WAS IN, IN

419
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A WEAK SPOT AND IT LOOKED LIKE 

420
00:14:33,339 --> 00:14:34,974
THAT THE SIDE OF A DUAL MANDATE 

421
00:14:34,974 --> 00:14:38,777
THAT IT WILL HAVE TO FOCUS MORE 

422
00:14:38,777 --> 00:14:40,879
ON BECAUSE OF RISING INFLATION. 

423
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THE OUTLOOK HAS CHANGED 

424
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CONSIDERABLY. AND THAT THE RED 

425
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LINE LABELED JULY 2026 BASELINE,

426
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SHOWS THAT THE INTEREST RATE ARE

427
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NOW EXPECTED TO STAY HIGH NO 

428
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RATE CUTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 

429
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IF ANYTHING, FINANCIAL MARKETS 

430
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ARE ACTUALLY PRICING IN, UM, AN 

431
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INCREASE. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT

432
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PROBABILITY OF AT LEAST ONE RATE

433
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HIKE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. AS 

434
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OF THIS MORNING, IT'S 76% 

435
00:15:12,011 --> 00:15:12,645
CHANCE THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE 

436
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AT LEAST 1.25 PERCENTAGE POINT 

437
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HIKE BY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR,

438
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POTENTIALLY EVEN EVEN TO. AND 

439
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THAT HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR FOR 

440
00:15:19,852 --> 00:15:21,620
THE OUTLOOK FOR THE ECONOMIC 

441
00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:22,922
ACTIVITY, LONG TERM INTEREST 

442
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,356
RATES, UH, MORTGAGE RATES, FOR 

443
00:15:24,356 --> 00:15:25,924
EXAMPLE, ARE NOT DIRECTLY LINKED

444
00:15:25,924 --> 00:15:28,794
TO FEDERAL FUNDS, UH, RATE. BUT 

445
00:15:28,794 --> 00:15:31,597
THERE ARE SOME FACTORS THAT ARE 

446
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DRIVING THEM IN THE SAME 

447
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DIRECTION, HIGHER INFLATION, 

448
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HIGHER UNCERTAINTY IN GENERAL, 

449
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LOW INTEREST RATES UP, UM, THE 

450
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MORTGAGE RATE HAS GONE FROM 

451
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ROUGHLY 6% IN EARLY MARCH TO 

452
00:15:44,643 --> 00:15:48,447
6.7% RIGHT NOW. AND THAT HAS A 

453
00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:49,048
CONSIDERABLE IMPACT ON THINGS 

454
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LIKE RATE REVENUES THAT WE'LL 

455
00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:51,951
GET TO, UM, WHEN WE ARE TALKING 

456
00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:53,585
ABOUT THE UPDATED OUTLOOK FOR 

457
00:15:53,585 --> 00:16:00,426
THAT REVENUE STREAM. UM, SO THAT

458
00:16:00,426 --> 00:16:03,762
THAT'S NOT SO GREAT NEWS ON THE

459
00:16:03,762 --> 00:16:04,730
SLIGHTLY BETTER NEWS IS THAT 

460
00:16:04,730 --> 00:16:06,265
AGAIN, THE ECONOMY HAS KIND OF 

461
00:16:06,265 --> 00:16:09,201
MUDDLED THROUGH, UM, THE CHANGE 

462
00:16:09,201 --> 00:16:11,437
IN THE REAL GDP GROWTH IS 

463
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RELATIVELY MINOR. UM, BOTH S&amp;P 

464
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GLOBAL AND MOODY'S ANALYTICS 

465
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EXPECT 2% YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH 

466
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RATE THIS YEAR. AND THE NEXT 

467
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YEAR. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, 

468
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IN A MORE BROADER SURVEY OF 

469
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ECONOMISTS, THE WALL STREET 

470
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JOURNAL JULY SURVEY OF 

471
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ECONOMISTS, UM, CONDUCTED IN 

472
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JULY SHOWED THAT THE PERCEIVED 

473
00:16:36,128 --> 00:16:36,962
PROBABILITY OF A RECESSION IN 

474
00:16:36,962 --> 00:16:39,031
THE NEXT 12 MONTHS HAS COME 

475
00:16:39,031 --> 00:16:41,567
DOWN. SO FROM ROUGHLY 33% IN 

476
00:16:41,567 --> 00:16:44,069
APRIL DOWN TO ABOUT 25%, THAT 

477
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WAS SOMETIME IN MID-JULY BEFORE 

478
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ADDITIONAL FLARE UPS IN, UH, IN 

479
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IRAN, FLARE UPS OF HOSTILITIES 

480
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IN IRAN. NEVERTHELESS, IT'S 

481
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SOMEWHERE, LET'S SAY, AROUND 25

482
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TO 30% CHANCE OF A RECESSION 

483
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NEXT YEAR. THAT'S WHERE MOST 

484
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ECONOMISTS WOULD PROBABLY PUT 

485
00:17:01,787 --> 00:17:04,323
IT. AND SO OVERALL, THE BASELINE

486
00:17:04,323 --> 00:17:05,724
SCENARIO, BASELINE PATH, THAT 2%

487
00:17:05,724 --> 00:17:07,693
GROWTH IS THE MORE LIKELY 

488
00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:12,030
OUTCOME. UM NEVERTHELESS, IN 

489
00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:13,132
THAT PANEL ON THE RIGHT SIDE 

490
00:17:13,132 --> 00:17:14,900
SHOWING THE EMPLOYMENT CHANGE, 

491
00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:18,937
SO YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH IN US, 

492
00:17:18,937 --> 00:17:21,106
EMPLOYMENT SHOWS THAT THE 

493
00:17:21,106 --> 00:17:23,275
EXPECTATIONS ARE THAT VERY FEW 

494
00:17:23,275 --> 00:17:25,177
JOBS WILL BE CREATED. THERE HAS 

495
00:17:25,177 --> 00:17:26,678
BEEN A SLOWDOWN IN BOTH ON BOTH 

496
00:17:26,678 --> 00:17:28,213
THE SUPPLY AND THE DEMAND SIDE 

497
00:17:28,213 --> 00:17:31,583
IN THE LABOR MARKET. IN THE US. 

498
00:17:31,583 --> 00:17:35,487
UM, SLIGHTLY HARDER TO SEE, BUT 

499
00:17:35,487 --> 00:17:36,055
THAT CURRENT FORECAST IS A 

500
00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:37,956
LITTLE BIT ABOVE, UH, COMPARED 

501
00:17:37,956 --> 00:17:39,925
TO THE MARCH FORECAST. THE 

502
00:17:39,925 --> 00:17:41,326
DARKER RED LINE IS JUST A TINY 

503
00:17:41,326 --> 00:17:43,662
BIT ABOVE THE EMPLOYMENT 

504
00:17:43,662 --> 00:17:47,433
FORECAST FROM FROM MARCH. UM, 

505
00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:48,767
THAT'S THE RESULT OF A COUPLE 

506
00:17:48,767 --> 00:17:50,602
OF MONTHS OF GOOD NEWS. UM, UP 

507
00:17:50,602 --> 00:17:53,472
UNTIL THIS MORNING, WHERE THE 

508
00:17:53,472 --> 00:17:57,142
JOB NUMBERS CAME SIGNIFICANTLY 

509
00:17:57,142 --> 00:17:59,311
BELOW EXPECTATIONS AND TOTAL 

510
00:17:59,311 --> 00:18:00,712
PAYROLL ACTUALLY DECLINED MONTH 

511
00:18:00,712 --> 00:18:02,815
OVER MONTH. UM, FINANCIAL 

512
00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:04,349
MARKETS DID NOT REACT BY 

513
00:18:04,349 --> 00:18:05,918
DROPPING. THEY ACTUALLY WENT UP.

514
00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:09,388
UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, MUDDLING 

515
00:18:09,388 --> 00:18:11,590
THROUGH. THAT'S HOW THIS WOULD 

516
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:14,760
BE DESCRIBED. UM, THERE IS THAT 

517
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:15,394
AI INVESTMENT THAT'S DRIVING 

518
00:18:15,394 --> 00:18:17,563
AGAIN, A LOT OF THE, UH, THE 

519
00:18:17,563 --> 00:18:21,200
GROWTH, UM, THE WEALTH EFFECTS, 

520
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,269
UM, HIGHER STOCK PRICE 

521
00:18:24,269 --> 00:18:24,870
VALUATIONS ARE SUPPORTING THE 

522
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:26,738
SPENDING, ESPECIALLY FROM THE 

523
00:18:26,738 --> 00:18:28,073
HIGHER INCOME FAMILIES. IN 

524
00:18:28,073 --> 00:18:29,942
ADDITION, THE TAX CUTS HAVE 

525
00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:31,677
PROVIDED SOME BUFFER AGAINST 

526
00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:32,277
THOSE PRICE INCREASES THAT WE 

527
00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:36,782
HAVE SEEN AS A RESULT OF HIGHER 

528
00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:39,284
OIL PRICES. UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF 

529
00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:40,352
RISK HERE BECAUSE OF HOW 

530
00:18:40,352 --> 00:18:42,488
CONCENTRATED THAT THAT GROWTH 

531
00:18:42,488 --> 00:18:44,690
IS, THE PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO, 

532
00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:47,392
THE CURRENT PESSIMISTIC 

533
00:18:47,392 --> 00:18:49,094
SCENARIO, ESSENTIALLY ASSUMES 

534
00:18:49,094 --> 00:18:53,065
THAT THOSE DISRUPTIONS TO THE 

535
00:18:53,065 --> 00:18:53,565
OIL PRICES AND, UM, THE 

536
00:18:53,565 --> 00:18:55,534
FOLLOWING IMPACT ON INFLATION 

537
00:18:55,534 --> 00:19:00,839
WILL LEAD TO CONSUMER AND 

538
00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:01,373
HOUSEHOLD AND BUSINESSES 

539
00:19:01,373 --> 00:19:04,510
SPENDING, MUCH LESS, UH, THAT 

540
00:19:04,510 --> 00:19:07,279
WILL LEAD TO LAYOFFS. UM, 

541
00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:08,614
POTENTIALLY COUPLED WITH THE 

542
00:19:08,614 --> 00:19:12,751
SALE OF, IN THE STOCK PRICE 

543
00:19:12,751 --> 00:19:13,385
STOCK MARKET SELL OFF, WHERE THE

544
00:19:13,385 --> 00:19:14,019
INVESTMENT IN AI DOES NOT TURN 

545
00:19:14,019 --> 00:19:16,288
OUT TO BE AS PROFITABLE AS, UH, 

546
00:19:16,288 --> 00:19:19,057
AS THE INVESTORS ARE CURRENTLY 

547
00:19:19,057 --> 00:19:21,527
EXPECTING ALL THAT WOULD 

548
00:19:21,527 --> 00:19:24,696
CONTRIBUTE TO RECESSION STARTING

549
00:19:24,696 --> 00:19:28,100
IN, UH, 2027, SECOND HALF OF 26 

550
00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:32,404
GOING INTO 2027, LASTING THROUGH

551
00:19:32,404 --> 00:19:34,773
THE END OF NEXT YEAR. UM, SO 

552
00:19:34,773 --> 00:19:36,909
THAT'S THE PESSIMISTIC 

553
00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:38,677
SCENARIO. AND SO WE HAVE THOSE, 

554
00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:39,878
UH, BASELINE PESSIMISTIC 

555
00:19:39,878 --> 00:19:41,513
SCENARIOS. THERE IS AN 

556
00:19:41,513 --> 00:19:43,015
OPTIMISTIC ONE FOR, UM, IN THE 

557
00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:45,083
INTEREST OF TIME, WE'RE NOT 

558
00:19:45,083 --> 00:19:47,753
GOING THROUGH THAT, BUT WE ARE 

559
00:19:47,753 --> 00:19:49,087
DEVELOPING THREE FORECASTS FOR 

560
00:19:49,087 --> 00:19:51,156
REVENUES. THE BASELINE, THE 

561
00:19:51,156 --> 00:19:51,790
PESSIMISTIC AND THE OPTIMISTIC 

562
00:19:51,790 --> 00:19:53,892
ONE. THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR 

563
00:19:53,892 --> 00:19:56,361
WEBSITE. AND WE HAVE SHARED THAT

564
00:19:56,361 --> 00:20:00,799
WITH THE STAFF. UM, WE'LL BE 

565
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:01,400
MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE 

566
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,034
END REGARDING THE ADOPTIONS OF, 

567
00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:02,634
OF ONE OF THOSE. AND AGAIN, 

568
00:20:02,634 --> 00:20:04,736
THESE ARE THE MAIN INPUTS FOR 

569
00:20:04,736 --> 00:20:06,738
THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC FORECAST. 

570
00:20:06,738 --> 00:20:09,308
AND CONSEQUENTLY THOSE REVENUE 

571
00:20:09,308 --> 00:20:11,043
FORECASTS. SO TURNING TO THE 

572
00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:16,448
OUTLOOK FOR THE REGION AGAIN 

573
00:20:16,448 --> 00:20:17,082
LOOKING QUICKLY AT THE INFLATION

574
00:20:17,082 --> 00:20:19,051
SIMILAR SORT OF, UH, CHANGES AS 

575
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:21,687
IN THE US FORECAST, HIGHER OIL 

576
00:20:21,687 --> 00:20:22,988
PRICES THAN EXPECTED LED TO 

577
00:20:22,988 --> 00:20:24,790
HIGHER INFLATION THAN INITIALLY.

578
00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:28,293
THAT WAS INITIALLY ANTICIPATED, 

579
00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:31,697
SOMEWHERE AROUND 4.5% THROUGHOUT

580
00:20:31,697 --> 00:20:33,432
THIS YEAR, OVER 5% IN THE CASE 

581
00:20:33,432 --> 00:20:35,867
OF A CURRENT PESSIMISTIC 

582
00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:37,569
SCENARIO. SO AGAIN, MIRRORING 

583
00:20:37,569 --> 00:20:39,004
THOSE THOSE CHANGES IN THE 

584
00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:41,206
FORECAST FOR THE US WHEN IT 

585
00:20:41,206 --> 00:20:45,344
COMES TO THE EMPLOYMENT, UM. 

586
00:20:45,344 --> 00:20:46,945
THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL 

587
00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:50,215
FACTORS, SOME THAT WERE THAT 

588
00:20:50,215 --> 00:20:51,750
HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE CHANGES,

589
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:54,586
THE EMPLOYMENT SECURITY 

590
00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:57,656
DEPARTMENT REGULARLY REVISES 

591
00:20:57,656 --> 00:20:59,324
EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS AND DID THAT 

592
00:20:59,324 --> 00:21:03,195
THIS TIME GOING BACK TO 2023, 

593
00:21:03,195 --> 00:21:03,762
THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS WERE 

594
00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:07,566
REVISED DOWN FOR 23 AND 24 AND 

595
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:10,269
SLIGHTLY UP FOR 2025. SO WHAT 

596
00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:12,638
THAT DID MECHANICALLY IS THAT 

597
00:21:12,638 --> 00:21:14,272
EVEN IF YOU ARE LOOKING BACK 

598
00:21:14,272 --> 00:21:15,674
FROM THE DOTTED LINE, SO THAT 

599
00:21:15,674 --> 00:21:17,075
THE HISTORICAL DATA, WE ARE 

600
00:21:17,075 --> 00:21:18,310
CURRENTLY WHERE THE DOTTED LINE 

601
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:19,845
IS TO THE RIGHT, WE HAVE A 

602
00:21:19,845 --> 00:21:21,780
FORECAST TO THE LEFT, WE HAVE 

603
00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:23,949
THE HISTORICAL DATA, THE RED 

604
00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:25,917
LINE IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE 

605
00:21:25,917 --> 00:21:27,919
PREVIOUS ONE. IT SHOWS LESS OF A

606
00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:32,424
GROWTH IN 2024, LESS OF A 

607
00:21:32,424 --> 00:21:35,427
DECLINE IN 2025. SOME SMALL 

608
00:21:35,427 --> 00:21:36,428
DECLINES IN EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS 

609
00:21:36,428 --> 00:21:38,230
LAST YEAR, BUT NOT AS BIG AS WE 

610
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:41,066
WERE PRESENTING IN MARCH. AGAIN,

611
00:21:41,066 --> 00:21:42,968
THAT'S THE RESULT OF THOSE 

612
00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:43,602
REVISIONS TO THE HISTORICAL DATA

613
00:21:43,602 --> 00:21:44,836
THAT THE ESD DOES REGULARLY. IN 

614
00:21:44,836 --> 00:21:50,542
THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WAS 

615
00:21:50,542 --> 00:21:52,277
KIND OF ASYMMETRIC EFFECT. UM, 

616
00:21:52,277 --> 00:21:54,546
BEYOND THAT, YOU CAN SEE THAT 

617
00:21:54,546 --> 00:21:55,247
GOING TO LOOKING AT THE 

618
00:21:55,247 --> 00:21:56,581
FORECAST, GOING TO THE RIGHT OF 

619
00:21:56,581 --> 00:21:59,084
THE DOTTED LINE, THE CHANGES ARE

620
00:21:59,084 --> 00:22:00,285
REALLY MARGINAL. THERE IS 

621
00:22:00,285 --> 00:22:03,288
SLIGHTLY BETTER GROWTH AND 

622
00:22:03,288 --> 00:22:06,158
SLIGHTLY HIGHER GROWTH PREDICTED

623
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:07,225
IN THE EMPLOYMENT AS A RESULT 

624
00:22:07,225 --> 00:22:11,296
OF, UH, MORE OF A MOMENTUM, UM, 

625
00:22:11,296 --> 00:22:14,032
SO THOSE SLIGHTLY SMALLER 

626
00:22:14,032 --> 00:22:15,701
DECLINES IN 2025 MEANS THAT 

627
00:22:15,701 --> 00:22:18,003
THERE WILL BE SMALLER JOB LOSSES

628
00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:19,271
THROUGHOUT 2026. NEVERTHELESS, 

629
00:22:19,271 --> 00:22:21,940
WE DO PREDICT THAT THE REGIONAL 

630
00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:23,809
ECONOMY WILL END THE CURRENT 

631
00:22:23,809 --> 00:22:30,315
YEAR WITH JOB LOSSES. UM, BEFORE

632
00:22:30,315 --> 00:22:33,318
BEFORE IT STARTS TO GROW AGAIN. 

633
00:22:33,318 --> 00:22:34,853
THE GROWTH IN 2027 IS HOWEVER, 

634
00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:37,189
MINOR. ONLY POINT 4% YEAR OVER 

635
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:40,258
YEAR INCREASE FOLLOWING ROUGHLY 

636
00:22:40,258 --> 00:22:43,695
0.3% DECLINE THIS YEAR. UM, 

637
00:22:43,695 --> 00:22:44,296
PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO IS AGAIN 

638
00:22:44,296 --> 00:22:46,064
THE ONE WHERE RECESSION WOULD 

639
00:22:46,064 --> 00:22:48,366
OCCUR WOULD LEAD TO MEANINGFUL 

640
00:22:48,366 --> 00:22:50,936
JOB LOSSES. ABOUT 34,000 FEWER 

641
00:22:50,936 --> 00:22:54,439
JOBS BETWEEN END OF 25 AND MID 

642
00:22:54,439 --> 00:22:58,009
2027. THOSE JOB LOSSES WOULD BE 

643
00:22:58,009 --> 00:23:00,579
RECOVERED SOMETIME AT THE END OF

644
00:23:00,579 --> 00:23:07,919
2028. SO AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND 

645
00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:09,921
THE PUBLIC, THIS IS KING AND 

646
00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:11,590
SNOHOMISH COUNTIES, THAT THE 

647
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:13,458
MAIN INPUT THAT WE ARE USING IN 

648
00:23:13,458 --> 00:23:15,460
THE ECONOMIC REGIONAL FORECAST, 

649
00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:16,228
BECAUSE THAT'S THE DATA THAT WE

650
00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:21,199
HAVE AND WE WE DON'T REALLY 

651
00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:23,835
RECEIVE. UM, UPDATES ON THE 

652
00:23:23,835 --> 00:23:26,404
ECONOMIC SITUATION ON THE CITY 

653
00:23:26,404 --> 00:23:31,343
LEVEL. THEY OCCUR VERY, UH, WITH

654
00:23:31,343 --> 00:23:33,245
A SIGNIFICANT LAG AND ONLY ONCE 

655
00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:35,247
PER YEAR IN PARTICULAR, LAST 

656
00:23:35,247 --> 00:23:37,082
MONTH, THE PUGET SOUND REGIONAL 

657
00:23:37,082 --> 00:23:39,384
COUNCIL HAS RELEASED CITY LEVEL 

658
00:23:39,384 --> 00:23:41,887
EMPLOYMENT ESTIMATES FOR MARCH 

659
00:23:41,887 --> 00:23:43,622
2025. SO THEY DO IT ONCE A YEAR 

660
00:23:43,622 --> 00:23:46,691
IN JULY FOR MARCH OF A PREVIOUS 

661
00:23:46,691 --> 00:23:49,327
YEAR. THE MOST RECENT DATA IS 

662
00:23:49,327 --> 00:23:51,797
FOR MARCH 2025. UM, THAT DATA 

663
00:23:51,797 --> 00:23:55,167
SET WILL LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL 

664
00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:56,902
CITIES WITHIN REGION, WITHIN 

665
00:23:56,902 --> 00:23:59,271
KING COUNTY, AND PROVIDES 

666
00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:01,573
ESTIMATES FOR TOTAL EMPLOYMENT. 

667
00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:04,476
UM, THE RECENT DATA SHOWS THAT 

668
00:24:04,476 --> 00:24:07,879
SEATTLE HAS LOST ABOUT 18,000 

669
00:24:07,879 --> 00:24:10,749
JOBS BETWEEN MARCH 24th AND 

670
00:24:10,749 --> 00:24:12,284
MARCH 2025. UM, ONE THING TO 

671
00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:15,320
NOTE HERE IS THAT THIS IS NOT 

672
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,655
REALLY SHOWING THE IMPACT OF 

673
00:24:16,655 --> 00:24:17,255
THOSE LARGE LAYOFFS THAT HAVE 

674
00:24:17,255 --> 00:24:19,391
BEEN ANNOUNCED RECENTLY BY 

675
00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,226
AMAZON, MICROSOFT AND META 

676
00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:23,595
PLATFORMS, EVEN THOSE THAT WERE 

677
00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:25,063
ANNOUNCED IN 2025 WILL ONLY SHOW

678
00:24:25,063 --> 00:24:28,200
UP, UH, SHOW UP NEXT YEAR. AND 

679
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,801
THE ONE AFTER THAT. SO WE ARE 

680
00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:32,170
GOING TO SEE THE FULL IMPACT 

681
00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:34,105
ONLY IN SUMMER 2028, WHEN THE 

682
00:24:34,105 --> 00:24:36,842
DATA FOR MARCH 2027 IS RELEASED 

683
00:24:36,842 --> 00:24:38,109
BY THE PUGET SOUND REGIONAL 

684
00:24:38,109 --> 00:24:42,714
COUNCIL. AND SO SOME SOME REASON

685
00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:45,083
TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE RED BARS 

686
00:24:45,083 --> 00:24:47,018
ARE GOING. AND THERE ARE SOME 

687
00:24:47,018 --> 00:24:49,788
SIGNIFICANT HEADWINDS THERE. AND

688
00:24:49,788 --> 00:24:51,323
UNLESS SOME JOBS ARE CREATED 

689
00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:51,957
ELSEWHERE IN THE ECONOMY, WE ARE

690
00:24:51,957 --> 00:24:54,593
GOING TO SEE ADDITIONAL YEAR 

691
00:24:54,593 --> 00:24:57,462
OVER YEAR DECLINES IN TOTAL 

692
00:24:57,462 --> 00:24:57,762
EMPLOYMENT. 

693
00:24:57,762 --> 00:24:59,064
-- THANK YOU. DIRECTOR, BEFORE 

694
00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:01,933
WE MOVE ON THERE, UH, AM I 

695
00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:04,502
READING THIS CORRECTLY WITH THE 

696
00:25:04,502 --> 00:25:06,471
EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS FROM 2020 AND

697
00:25:06,471 --> 00:25:07,873
THEN 2021, LOOKS LIKE WE LOST A 

698
00:25:07,873 --> 00:25:10,208
LOT OF EMPLOYEES AND THEN WE 

699
00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:10,809
REHIRED THEM. 

700
00:25:10,809 --> 00:25:11,076
-- YEAH. 

701
00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:12,110
-- IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? 

702
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:15,881
-- OKAY, SO THE 2020 AND 2021, 

703
00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:17,449
AGAIN, THE TIMING HERE IS A 

704
00:25:17,449 --> 00:25:20,819
LITTLE BIT, UH, NOT NOT 

705
00:25:20,819 --> 00:25:22,954
INTUITIVE. UH, THE MARCH 2020 IS

706
00:25:22,954 --> 00:25:24,856
ESSENTIALLY THE POINT RIGHT 

707
00:25:24,856 --> 00:25:26,525
BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. AND IF YOU 

708
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,660
REMEMBER WHAT WAS HAPPENING BACK

709
00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:32,364
IN MARCH, UM, THE LOCKDOWNS ONLY

710
00:25:32,364 --> 00:25:32,998
OCCURRED SOMETIME LATER IN THE 

711
00:25:32,998 --> 00:25:34,532
MONTH, FIRST HALF OF A MONTH. 

712
00:25:34,532 --> 00:25:37,235
DID NOT SEE ANY IMPACT ON, ON 

713
00:25:37,235 --> 00:25:39,404
PANDEMIC YET. AND SO THE DATA 

714
00:25:39,404 --> 00:25:41,172
THAT, UH, RELEASED, THAT WAS 

715
00:25:41,172 --> 00:25:43,608
RELEASED FOR MARCH 2020 IS 

716
00:25:43,608 --> 00:25:46,044
SHOWING MINIMAL IMPACT OF COVID 

717
00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:48,647
ON EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS. THEN THE 

718
00:25:48,647 --> 00:25:50,815
FULL IMPACT OR THE BRUNT OF IT 

719
00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:55,020
WAS, UH, IN THE RELEASE FOR 

720
00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:56,187
MARCH 2021. SO THAT SHOWED WHAT 

721
00:25:56,187 --> 00:25:58,990
HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR 

722
00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:00,659
2020 AND EARLY 2021. AND SO 

723
00:26:00,659 --> 00:26:03,028
THOSE TWO BIG DROPS, UH, THOSE 

724
00:26:03,028 --> 00:26:05,897
TWO BIG BARS, THEY ARE FOR MARCH

725
00:26:05,897 --> 00:26:08,133
2021 AND SHOW THE CHANGE BETWEEN

726
00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:10,068
MARCH 21st, MARCH 20th AND MARCH

727
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:13,371
21st. AND THOSE ARE THE THOSE 

728
00:26:13,371 --> 00:26:16,241
SIGNIFICANT JOB LOSSES THAT HAVE

729
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:19,511
THEN OVER TIME, UM, THE ECONOMY 

730
00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:21,846
HAS RECOVERED SLOWLY, BUT 

731
00:26:21,846 --> 00:26:24,282
OVERALL, THERE WASN'T, UM, ANY 

732
00:26:24,282 --> 00:26:25,283
MEANINGFUL GROWTH ON THE 

733
00:26:25,283 --> 00:26:27,752
REGIONAL LEVEL. WE ARE STILL 

734
00:26:27,752 --> 00:26:28,320
HOVERING SOMEWHERE SLIGHTLY 

735
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,622
BELOW THE TOTAL PRE-PANDEMIC 

736
00:26:30,622 --> 00:26:32,724
NUMBERS. AND FOR CITY OF 

737
00:26:32,724 --> 00:26:34,693
SEATTLE, WE ARE ACTUALLY 

738
00:26:34,693 --> 00:26:36,328
SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW. THERE WAS A

739
00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:38,096
SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN TOTAL 

740
00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:38,396
EMPLOYMENT. 

741
00:26:38,396 --> 00:26:39,331
-- YEAH. THIS IS A REALLY 

742
00:26:39,331 --> 00:26:40,932
HELPFUL CHART BECAUSE IT TELLS 

743
00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:45,036
THE STORY OF THE 2008 RECESSION.

744
00:26:45,036 --> 00:26:47,205
THEN THE TEN YEARS OF HIGHEST 

745
00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:48,440
WERE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE

746
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,441
NATION FOR THOSE TEN YEARS, 

747
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,042
WHICH GAVE US A LOT OF ONE TIME 

748
00:26:51,042 --> 00:26:52,577
FUNDS THAT WE STARTED FUNDING 

749
00:26:52,577 --> 00:26:53,244
ONGOING PROGRAMS WITH, WHICH IS 

750
00:26:53,244 --> 00:26:54,779
PART OF HOW WE GOT TO A 

751
00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:56,247
STRUCTURAL BUDGET DEFICIT. THIS 

752
00:26:56,247 --> 00:26:57,983
IS JUST REALLY HELPFUL TO SHOW 

753
00:26:57,983 --> 00:26:59,517
THAT GROWTH. WE THEN LOST A LOT 

754
00:26:59,517 --> 00:27:01,686
OF JOBS IN THE PANDEMIC AND 

755
00:27:01,686 --> 00:27:03,688
REGAINED THEM. BUT THEN FROM 

756
00:27:03,688 --> 00:27:05,223
THERE, WE HAD A SHORT GROWTH. 

757
00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:07,225
LOOKS LIKE OTHER CITIES IN KING 

758
00:27:07,225 --> 00:27:08,927
COUNTY GREW FASTER, AND SINCE 

759
00:27:08,927 --> 00:27:10,562
THEN, OTHER CITIES IN KING 

760
00:27:10,562 --> 00:27:13,098
COUNTY ARE ABOUT FLAT. BUT WE 

761
00:27:13,098 --> 00:27:14,666
ARE LOSING JOBS. AND DID YOU SAY

762
00:27:14,666 --> 00:27:18,970
WE'VE LOST 18,000 JOBS BETWEEN 

763
00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:19,938
25 AND 26. 

764
00:27:19,938 --> 00:27:20,705
-- 24 AND 25? SO AGAIN, LAST 

765
00:27:20,705 --> 00:27:24,175
YEAR, FOR WHICH WE HAVE THE DATE

766
00:27:24,175 --> 00:27:26,745
MARCH 25th, AND 18,000, THAT RED

767
00:27:26,745 --> 00:27:28,346
BAR AT THE VERY END, THAT SHOWS 

768
00:27:28,346 --> 00:27:30,115
ABOUT 3% DECLINE. THAT 

769
00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:32,651
REPRESENTS ABOUT 18,000 JOBS IN 

770
00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:35,520
SEATTLE, RIGHT. 

771
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,455
-- THANK YOU. WAS MY SUMMARY. 

772
00:27:37,455 --> 00:27:38,757
ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU SEE AS 

773
00:27:38,757 --> 00:27:40,992
WELL? YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. 

774
00:27:40,992 --> 00:27:41,559
APPRECIATE. I MEAN, I THINK 

775
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,129
IT'S JUST VERY DESCRIPTIVE OF 

776
00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:45,530
HOW DID WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE 

777
00:27:45,530 --> 00:27:46,664
TODAY AND WHAT ARE WE DOING 

778
00:27:46,664 --> 00:27:48,466
ABOUT IT? 

779
00:27:48,466 --> 00:27:50,101
-- RIGHT. UM, SO THERE IS A 

780
00:27:50,101 --> 00:27:52,671
LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN THE 

781
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:54,839
DATA THAT WAS RELEASED, UH, 

782
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:55,473
ESSENTIALLY SHOWING AGAIN, THE 

783
00:27:55,473 --> 00:27:57,242
DECOMPOSITION BY INDUSTRY 

784
00:27:57,242 --> 00:27:59,144
SHOWING WHERE THOSE, UH, LOWER 

785
00:27:59,144 --> 00:28:03,581
JOB NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM, HOW

786
00:28:03,581 --> 00:28:06,418
INDIVIDUAL INDUSTRIES FARED 

787
00:28:06,418 --> 00:28:08,219
BETWEEN MARCH 20th AND MARCH 

788
00:28:08,219 --> 00:28:09,754
25th. AGAIN, MARCH 20th IS RIGHT

789
00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:15,927
BEFORE PANDEMIC. UH, AND MARCH 

790
00:28:15,927 --> 00:28:17,162
2025. THAT'S MORE THAN A YEAR 

791
00:28:17,162 --> 00:28:18,863
AGO, BUT THAT'S THE MOST RECENT

792
00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:23,535
DATA THAT WE HAVE. THE TOTAL 

793
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:27,372
CHANGE FOR SEATTLE IS, UH, IS 

794
00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:31,910
SOMEWHERE AROUND 25000 JOBS LOST

795
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:33,912
BETWEEN MARCH 20th AND MARCH 

796
00:28:33,912 --> 00:28:36,214
25th. UM, KING COUNTY AS A WHOLE

797
00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:40,618
ADDED ABOUT 21,000 JOBS IN 

798
00:28:40,618 --> 00:28:42,520
DURING THE SAME PERIOD. UH, THE 

799
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,856
LOSSES IN, IN SEATTLE ARE RATHER

800
00:28:44,856 --> 00:28:46,991
BROAD BASED. AND WITH THE 

801
00:28:46,991 --> 00:28:48,693
EXCEPTION OF PRIVATE EDUCATION 

802
00:28:48,693 --> 00:28:49,561
AND HEALTH SERVICES AND 

803
00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:51,496
GOVERNMENT, MOST OTHER SECTORS 

804
00:28:51,496 --> 00:28:53,398
HAVE DECLINED, SOME MORE SO THAN

805
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:58,336
OTHERS. UM INFORMATION SECTOR UM

806
00:28:58,336 --> 00:28:59,504
DECLINED NOTABLY. UM THAT'S 

807
00:28:59,504 --> 00:29:01,973
AGAIN NOT, NOT REALLY THOSE 

808
00:29:01,973 --> 00:29:03,641
RECENT LAYOFFS. UH, THERE WAS 

809
00:29:03,641 --> 00:29:06,177
ONE ROUND OF LAYOFFS SOMEWHERE 

810
00:29:06,177 --> 00:29:08,513
IN 2023, BUT THE IMPACT OF 25 

811
00:29:08,513 --> 00:29:11,716
AND 26 IS NOT HERE. TRADE AND 

812
00:29:11,716 --> 00:29:12,317
PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSES, SAME 

813
00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:14,719
SORT OF THING. THEY DECLINED, 

814
00:29:14,719 --> 00:29:16,554
UH, ABOUT AS MUCH AS INFORMATION

815
00:29:16,554 --> 00:29:17,655
SECTOR. ONE MORE THING TO NOTE 

816
00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:20,125
HERE. THE DATA, THE WAY HOW, UH,

817
00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:22,894
IT'S, UH, ASSEMBLED AND HOW 

818
00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:24,863
IT'S, HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED 

819
00:29:24,863 --> 00:29:26,231
DOES NOT ALLOW TO SEPARATE OUT 

820
00:29:26,231 --> 00:29:28,867
THE TRADE SECTOR FROM 

821
00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:29,400
PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS 

822
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,301
SERVICES. THERE WAS 

823
00:29:30,301 --> 00:29:32,770
RECLASSIFICATION OF SOME 

824
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:35,507
ACTIVITIES. NON-STORE RETAILERS,

825
00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:37,776
E-COMMERCE, UM, ESSENTIALLY WAS,

826
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,811
UH, MOVED AROUND AND THAT MOVED 

827
00:29:39,811 --> 00:29:41,713
A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF JOBS 

828
00:29:41,713 --> 00:29:43,515
BETWEEN THOSE TWO CATEGORIES. SO

829
00:29:43,515 --> 00:29:45,416
THE CHART SHOWS THEM, SHOWS THEM

830
00:29:45,416 --> 00:29:47,752
AS A COMBINED SINGLE TRADE PLUS 

831
00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:49,354
PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS 

832
00:29:49,354 --> 00:29:53,558
SERVICES CATEGORY. HERE UM, 

833
00:29:53,558 --> 00:29:54,192
CONSTRUCTION SECTOR, OBVIOUSLY 

834
00:29:54,192 --> 00:29:56,227
THERE'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS 

835
00:29:56,227 --> 00:29:57,829
DEMAND FOR OFFICE SPACE, HIGHER 

836
00:29:57,829 --> 00:30:01,065
INTEREST RATE MAKE FINANCING, 

837
00:30:01,065 --> 00:30:01,533
UM, FINANCING HARDER. 

838
00:30:01,533 --> 00:30:03,168
MANUFACTURING HAS NOT REALLY 

839
00:30:03,168 --> 00:30:04,469
BENEFITED FROM HIGHER INTEREST 

840
00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:06,037
RATES. THERE WASN'T ANY SORT OF

841
00:30:06,037 --> 00:30:08,439
CONSTRUCTION BOOM THAT THAT 

842
00:30:08,439 --> 00:30:10,308
WOULD FOLLOW THAT. SO WE ARE 

843
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:13,211
AGAIN SEEING FEWER JOBS THAN IN 

844
00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:17,715
2020. SO THAT'S, UH, THE YEAH, 

845
00:30:17,715 --> 00:30:18,950
THAT THAT'S THE TIME FOR PAUSE 

846
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:21,719
NOW. HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS

847
00:30:21,719 --> 00:30:22,353
REGARDING ECONOMIC SITUATION AND

848
00:30:22,353 --> 00:30:23,855
OUTLOOK. 

849
00:30:23,855 --> 00:30:24,389
-- THANK YOU COLLEAGUES. 

850
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:26,858
QUESTIONS ON THE ECONOMIC 

851
00:30:26,858 --> 00:30:29,127
ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH WE ARE IN 

852
00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:30,094
SEEING NONE. I THINK WE'RE ALL 

853
00:30:30,094 --> 00:30:32,230
JUST PINS AND NEEDLES. WE LOSE. 

854
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:32,997
DID WE WIN? WHAT ARE WE WHERE 

855
00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:33,565
ARE WE AT. 

856
00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:36,434
-- TODAY? RIGHT. SO THERE ARE A 

857
00:30:36,434 --> 00:30:40,171
LOT OF, UH, CROSSWINDS HERE. 

858
00:30:40,171 --> 00:30:41,072
BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, 

859
00:30:41,072 --> 00:30:43,308
JUST TO, AGAIN, REMIND MEMBERS 

860
00:30:43,308 --> 00:30:44,642
OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE MAYBE NOT

861
00:30:44,642 --> 00:30:46,711
WATCHING IT EVERY TIME OR FORGOT

862
00:30:46,711 --> 00:30:48,479
SINCE LAST TIME WE WERE 

863
00:30:48,479 --> 00:30:51,849
PRESENTING IT. UM, WE ARE NOW IN

864
00:30:51,849 --> 00:30:55,353
THE MIDDLE OF 2026, BUT FOR SOME

865
00:30:55,353 --> 00:30:56,754
REVENUE STREAMS, WE HAVE NOT 

866
00:30:56,754 --> 00:31:00,458
EVEN SEEN HALF OF ALL THE ANNUAL

867
00:31:00,458 --> 00:31:01,659
REVENUES COMING IN. OVERALL, 

868
00:31:01,659 --> 00:31:03,428
IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF GENERAL 

869
00:31:03,428 --> 00:31:05,029
FUND REVENUES THAT WE WOULD GET 

870
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:06,664
BY THIS POINT. POINT IN THE 

871
00:31:06,664 --> 00:31:09,100
YEAR, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY 

872
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:09,934
VARIES BY THE REVENUE STREAM. 

873
00:31:09,934 --> 00:31:13,037
AND THAT CHART ON THE RIGHT 

874
00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:14,639
SHOWS HOW BETWEEN THE APRIL AND 

875
00:31:14,639 --> 00:31:17,108
THE AUGUST FORECAST, WE RECEIVE 

876
00:31:17,108 --> 00:31:17,709
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE 

877
00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:19,811
FORM OF TAX RETURNS. BUT EVEN 

878
00:31:19,811 --> 00:31:21,980
WHEN WE GET TO THE OCTOBER 

879
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:25,016
FORECAST, OVERALL AMOUNT OF FOR 

880
00:31:25,016 --> 00:31:27,218
SOME REVENUES, IT'S LESS THAN 

881
00:31:27,218 --> 00:31:29,254
HALF OF THE REVENUES RECEIVED 

882
00:31:29,254 --> 00:31:30,154
FOR BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION TAX 

883
00:31:30,154 --> 00:31:32,357
FOR PAYROLL EXPENSE TAX. IT'S 

884
00:31:32,357 --> 00:31:33,958
AGAIN, NOT NOT EVEN HALF THAT WE

885
00:31:33,958 --> 00:31:37,729
GET FOR REAL ESTATE EXCISE TAX 

886
00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:39,530
THAT THOSE RETURNS ARE COMING. 

887
00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:40,965
UM WITH LESS OF A DELAY. 

888
00:31:40,965 --> 00:31:43,735
SIMILARLY FOR FOR UTILITY TAXES.

889
00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:44,769
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE 

890
00:31:44,769 --> 00:31:47,038
CURRENT FORECAST IS ESSENTIALLY 

891
00:31:47,038 --> 00:31:49,674
BASED ON WHEN IT COMES TO MAIN 

892
00:31:49,674 --> 00:31:51,242
REVENUE STREAMS. IT'S BUILT ON 

893
00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:54,279
THE FIRST FIVE MONTHS OF SALES 

894
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,482
TAX REVENUE DATA AND FULLY 

895
00:31:57,482 --> 00:31:59,617
INCORPORATES THE FIRST QUARTER 

896
00:31:59,617 --> 00:32:01,319
BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION RETURNS.

897
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:02,220
NOW, THE RESTRUCTURE HAS SHIFTED

898
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:06,491
SOME OF THOSE, UH, UM, SOME OF 

899
00:32:06,491 --> 00:32:07,525
THOSE PAYMENTS TOWARDS LATER OF 

900
00:32:07,525 --> 00:32:09,327
THE YEAR AND THE CHARTS 

901
00:32:09,327 --> 00:32:10,461
INCORPORATES THE IMPACT OF, OF 

902
00:32:10,461 --> 00:32:11,829
THAT, THE IMPACT OF THE 2 

903
00:32:11,829 --> 00:32:14,499
MILLION DEDUCTION, THAT KIND OF 

904
00:32:14,499 --> 00:32:16,467
POSTPONED SOME OF THE PAYMENTS 

905
00:32:16,467 --> 00:32:18,102
TOWARDS LATER PART OF THE YEAR. 

906
00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:20,605
AT THIS POINT, UH, THERE IS 

907
00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:23,007
ABOUT 90% OF Q2 FILINGS ALREADY 

908
00:32:23,007 --> 00:32:25,910
IN, BUT IT'S NOT FULLY 

909
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:27,278
INCORPORATED IN THAT FORECAST. 

910
00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:29,414
AGAIN, GIVEN THE DELAY BETWEEN 

911
00:32:29,414 --> 00:32:30,982
WHEN WE HAVE THE DATA AVAILABLE,

912
00:32:30,982 --> 00:32:33,818
HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO UPDATE

913
00:32:33,818 --> 00:32:35,753
THE FORECAST AND TO PRESENT IT. 

914
00:32:35,753 --> 00:32:39,290
UM, BUT WE SEEM TO BE TRENDING 

915
00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:40,491
ROUGHLY IN LINE WITH THE 

916
00:32:40,491 --> 00:32:41,092
BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION TAX 

917
00:32:41,092 --> 00:32:46,030
FORECAST. OVERALL. UM, AND I'LL

918
00:32:46,030 --> 00:32:47,932
SPEAK TO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. 

919
00:32:47,932 --> 00:32:49,634
OVERALL, WE HAVE SENT OUT A 

920
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,869
SECOND QUARTER REVENUE REPORT 

921
00:32:51,869 --> 00:32:53,171
AND IT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR 

922
00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:55,406
WEBSITE. IT SHOWS THAT OVERALL 

923
00:32:55,406 --> 00:32:56,874
THE GENERAL FUND IS ONLY 

924
00:32:56,874 --> 00:32:58,609
SLIGHTLY BELOW WHERE WE WERE 

925
00:32:58,609 --> 00:33:01,546
EXPECTING IT TO BE BY THE END OF

926
00:33:01,546 --> 00:33:03,881
SECOND QUARTER, LESS THAN A 

927
00:33:03,881 --> 00:33:06,718
MILLION, ABOUT 0.12%, EXCLUDING 

928
00:33:06,718 --> 00:33:09,220
GRANTS AND FUND BALANCE 

929
00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:09,787
TRANSFERS DUE TO TECHNICAL 

930
00:33:09,787 --> 00:33:13,491
REASONS. UH, THE GENERAL FUND IS

931
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:18,262
ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY ABOVE, UM, 7.5

932
00:33:18,262 --> 00:33:20,498
MILLION OR 1.2% HIGHER THAN THAN

933
00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:23,134
ANTICIPATED. AGAIN, VERY 

934
00:33:23,134 --> 00:33:24,369
SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE REVENUE 

935
00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:26,738
STREAM. AND WE ARE NOW GETTING 

936
00:33:26,738 --> 00:33:31,309
TO THOSE, UH, ADDITIONAL FACTORS

937
00:33:31,309 --> 00:33:33,845
BEYOND CHANGES IN THE ECONOMIC 

938
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:37,482
ENVIRONMENT. UM, THERE ARE A LOT

939
00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:40,018
OF CROSSWINDS HERE. THE, THE 

940
00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:42,220
REVENUE HAS THE REVENUE 

941
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:42,720
COLLECTION TO DATE HAS 

942
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,357
SIGNIFICANTLY BENEFITED FROM THE

943
00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:49,060
SB 5814, WHICH RECLASSIFIED SOME

944
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:51,095
ACTIVITIES FROM SERVICE TO 

945
00:33:51,095 --> 00:33:53,731
RETAIL AND ESSENTIALLY EXPANDING

946
00:33:53,731 --> 00:33:56,134
THE TAX BASE FOR THE SALES TAX. 

947
00:33:56,134 --> 00:33:58,770
UM, THAT'S CLEARLY VISIBLE IN 

948
00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:00,838
THOSE LAST FIVE SET OF BARS 

949
00:34:00,838 --> 00:34:06,110
STARTING JANUARY 2026, THE YEAR 

950
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:07,812
OVER YEAR GROWTH RATE FOR SALES 

951
00:34:07,812 --> 00:34:10,114
TAX IS ON AVERAGE ABOUT 10%. 

952
00:34:10,114 --> 00:34:12,583
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT SPIKE IN 

953
00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:14,519
MARCH, BUT AVERAGING THOSE 

954
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,388
COUPLE OF MONTHS, IT'S ABOUT 10%

955
00:34:17,388 --> 00:34:20,258
YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE. UM 

956
00:34:20,258 --> 00:34:23,127
IT'S PRIMARILY INFORMATION AND 

957
00:34:23,127 --> 00:34:25,129
PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS 

958
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:27,965
SERVICES SECTORS. THEY HAVE 

959
00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:29,867
CONTRIBUTED ABOUT 5% 5.6% TO THE

960
00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:30,902
OVERALL GROWTH. SO THOSE ARE THE

961
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:33,638
ACTIVITIES THAT WERE AGAIN 

962
00:34:33,638 --> 00:34:35,039
RECLASSIFIED FROM FROM SERVICE 

963
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:37,875
TO RETAIL. THOSE ARE UNDER 

964
00:34:37,875 --> 00:34:39,877
WHAT'S LABELED IN THE CHART AS 

965
00:34:39,877 --> 00:34:41,813
REST OF INDUSTRIES. UH, THOSE 

966
00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:44,115
PURPLE BARS THAT ARE SHOWING 

967
00:34:44,115 --> 00:34:45,383
SIGNIFICANT YEAR OVER YEAR 

968
00:34:45,383 --> 00:34:49,020
GROWTH, TRADE HAS CONTRIBUTED 

969
00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:50,788
ABOUT 2.5%. LEISURE AND 

970
00:34:50,788 --> 00:34:54,292
HOSPITALITY, MINOR POSITIVE 

971
00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:54,759
CONTRIBUTION, 0.7 FOR 

972
00:34:54,759 --> 00:34:57,762
CONSTRUCTION SECTOR. WE ARE 

973
00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,497
CONTINUING TO SEE DECLINES, BUT 

974
00:34:59,497 --> 00:35:01,399
MUCH SMALLER. IF YOU LOOK AT 

975
00:35:01,399 --> 00:35:03,935
THOSE YELLOW BARS, UM, THE 

976
00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:07,171
DECLINES HAVE KIND OF FLATTENED 

977
00:35:07,171 --> 00:35:08,873
OUT COMPARED TO WHAT WE WERE 

978
00:35:08,873 --> 00:35:13,711
SEEING TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS 

979
00:35:13,711 --> 00:35:17,782
AGO. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY 

980
00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:18,349
THOSE LARGE INCREASE IN THE 

981
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:20,184
SALES TAX ARE ESSENTIALLY 

982
00:35:20,184 --> 00:35:23,387
WHAT'S DRIVING THE MAJORITY OF 

983
00:35:23,387 --> 00:35:24,655
THE REVISION IN THE IN THE 

984
00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:27,158
FORECAST HERE. AND IT'S A LARGE

985
00:35:27,158 --> 00:35:29,360
TABLE WITH LOTS OF NUMBERS 

986
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,065
LOOKING FIRST AT THE VERY BOTTOM

987
00:35:34,065 --> 00:35:34,632
ROW, THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND 

988
00:35:34,632 --> 00:35:36,400
WITHOUT GRANTS AND TRANSFERS AND

989
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,937
SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE 

990
00:35:39,937 --> 00:35:42,673
CHANGE FOR 2026 REVENUES, IT'S A

991
00:35:42,673 --> 00:35:45,343
24.5 MILLION TO THE PLUS SIDE. 

992
00:35:45,343 --> 00:35:48,946
UM, AND LOOKING UP AT THOSE 

993
00:35:48,946 --> 00:35:50,982
INDIVIDUAL STREAMS, 19.9 SO 

994
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:54,418
ALMOST 20 MILLION IS COMING FROM

995
00:35:54,418 --> 00:35:55,052
ADDITIONAL SALES TAX REVENUES. 

996
00:35:55,052 --> 00:35:57,655
AGAIN, WE HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT 

997
00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,057
INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. IT WAS,

998
00:36:00,057 --> 00:36:03,361
UH, MORE IT WAS ACTUALLY HIGHER 

999
00:36:03,361 --> 00:36:05,630
GROWTH THAN WE WERE PREDICTING. 

1000
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:08,199
UH, OUR FORECAST BY CONSTRUCTION

1001
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:09,667
IS IN GENERAL TENDS TO BE 

1002
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:12,036
CONSERVATIVE. AND SO WE ARE 

1003
00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:13,905
SEEING MORE REVENUES FROM SALES 

1004
00:36:13,905 --> 00:36:18,309
TAX THAN THAN PREDICTED. UM, IT 

1005
00:36:18,309 --> 00:36:19,911
WAS ABOUT 4.5 MILLION FOR THE 

1006
00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:20,311
FIRST HALF OF THE 

1007
00:36:20,311 --> 00:36:22,513
-- YOUR EXTENDING IT TO THE REST

1008
00:36:22,513 --> 00:36:25,016
OF THE YEAR, THAT WOULD 

1009
00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:25,650
ESSENTIALLY BRING IT SOMEWHERE 

1010
00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:28,586
TO TEN FOR REGULAR AND OPTIONAL 

1011
00:36:28,586 --> 00:36:30,154
SALES TAX. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE 

1012
00:36:30,154 --> 00:36:31,789
SEEN SOME NONCURRENT PAYMENTS. 

1013
00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:33,391
ABOUT 5 MILLION OF THOSE. SO 

1014
00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:35,092
THAT ALSO EXPLAINS WHY THERE IS 

1015
00:36:35,092 --> 00:36:37,862
LESS OF AN INCREASE PREDICTED 

1016
00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:41,332
FOR 2027 FOR SALES TAX REVENUES,

1017
00:36:41,332 --> 00:36:44,335
AND ALSO LESS OF AN INCREASE 

1018
00:36:44,335 --> 00:36:46,637
PREDICTED FOR 2028 REVENUES SO 

1019
00:36:46,637 --> 00:36:49,006
SALES TAX OVERALL ADDED ABOUT 48

1020
00:36:49,006 --> 00:36:51,809
BILLION OVER THE THREE YEARS. 

1021
00:36:51,809 --> 00:36:53,611
THAT'S ABOUT 5%. THE OVERALL 

1022
00:36:53,611 --> 00:36:57,248
YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH HERE 

1023
00:36:57,248 --> 00:36:59,116
BETWEEN 2025 AND 2026 IS QUITE 

1024
00:36:59,116 --> 00:37:02,086
SIGNIFICANT. THAT'S PRIMARILY 

1025
00:37:02,086 --> 00:37:04,956
AGAIN, THOSE LEGISLATIVE 

1026
00:37:04,956 --> 00:37:08,759
CHANGES. UM, SB 5814 AND THEN 

1027
00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:11,262
THE NEW UM PUBLIC SAFETY SALES 

1028
00:37:11,262 --> 00:37:14,899
TAX, THE 0.1 PERCENT NEW TAX 

1029
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:15,566
THAT'S ADDING ABOUT 4 MILLION. 

1030
00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:20,771
THEY COMBINED ADD TO A 

1031
00:37:20,771 --> 00:37:21,606
SIGNIFICANT GROWTH. AND SO FOR 

1032
00:37:21,606 --> 00:37:23,441
TOTAL GENERAL FUND WITHOUT 

1033
00:37:23,441 --> 00:37:25,710
GRANTS AND TRANSFERS, IT'S A 

1034
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:28,079
10.6 YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH THIS 

1035
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:32,750
YEAR FOLLOWED BY UM FOLLOWED BY 

1036
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:36,520
3.6% NEXT YEAR. AND THEN 4.3 THE

1037
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,655
YEAR AFTER THAT. AGAIN, A LOT OF

1038
00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:40,658
IT COMING FROM SALES TAX, 

1039
00:37:40,658 --> 00:37:41,192
SMALLER REVISIONS TO THE 

1040
00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:44,595
BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION TAX TO 

1041
00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:46,597
THE DOWNSIDE. THAT HAS TO DO 

1042
00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:48,232
WITH THE CHANGES IN THE 

1043
00:37:48,232 --> 00:37:51,469
COMPOSITION OF EMPLOYMENT, THE 

1044
00:37:51,469 --> 00:37:52,103
INCORPORATION INCORPORATING THE 

1045
00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:53,871
IMPACT OF OF THE LAYOFFS, 

1046
00:37:53,871 --> 00:37:54,905
INCORPORATING THE HIGHER 

1047
00:37:54,905 --> 00:37:57,842
INTEREST RATE THAT ARE EXPECTED 

1048
00:37:57,842 --> 00:38:00,211
TO SLOW DOWN THE ECONOMIC 

1049
00:38:00,211 --> 00:38:02,480
ACTIVITY. UM, AND THERE IS THAT 

1050
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,149
ASYMMETRIC EFFECT OF 5814 ON 

1051
00:38:05,149 --> 00:38:08,352
SALES TAX AND BUSINESS 

1052
00:38:08,352 --> 00:38:08,786
OCCUPATION TAX. THE 

1053
00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:10,388
RECLASSIFICATION, UM LEADS TO 

1054
00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:11,656
LOWER BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION 

1055
00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:13,024
TAX REVENUE. SO AS A RESULT OF 

1056
00:38:13,024 --> 00:38:15,526
HIGHER PREDICTED REVENUES FOR 

1057
00:38:15,526 --> 00:38:18,295
SALES TAX AND MECHANICALLY HAVE 

1058
00:38:18,295 --> 00:38:20,531
ACTUALLY SMALLER BUSINESS AND 

1059
00:38:20,531 --> 00:38:22,933
OCCUPATION TAX REVENUES. THAT 

1060
00:38:22,933 --> 00:38:25,336
SAID, OVERALL, THE FORECAST, AS 

1061
00:38:25,336 --> 00:38:27,638
I SAID, AS THE THE THE CHANGES 

1062
00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:33,010
ARE SMALLER HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE

1063
00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:34,011
BEEN MORE MORE SUCCESSFUL. IT 

1064
00:38:34,011 --> 00:38:35,146
APPEARS AT THIS POINT WE HAVE 

1065
00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:37,715
BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL PREDICTING 

1066
00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:39,784
THE IMPACT ON BUSINESS AND 

1067
00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:41,152
OCCUPATION TAX RATHER THAN SALES

1068
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:42,019
TAX. THE CAVEAT HERE IS THAT WE 

1069
00:38:42,019 --> 00:38:46,590
ONLY HAVE FIRST QUARTER IN AND 

1070
00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:49,126
ABOUT 90% OF THE SECOND QUARTER 

1071
00:38:49,126 --> 00:38:52,997
IN. SO THERE IS SOME, UH, SOME 

1072
00:38:52,997 --> 00:38:53,631
UNDERLYING UNCERTAINTY ABOUT HOW

1073
00:38:53,631 --> 00:38:55,900
THINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK A 

1074
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:59,637
COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM NOW. AND 

1075
00:38:59,637 --> 00:39:01,338
I'LL HAND IT OVER TO, TO SEAN 

1076
00:39:01,338 --> 00:39:03,507
TO TALK ABOUT PRIVATE UTILITY 

1077
00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:03,741
TAXES. 

1078
00:39:03,741 --> 00:39:05,910
-- THANK YOU, JOHN. YES. SO 

1079
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:07,945
PRIVATE UTILITY TAXES, WHICH IS 

1080
00:39:07,945 --> 00:39:09,313
COMPOSED OF CABLE, TELEPHONE, 

1081
00:39:09,313 --> 00:39:10,881
NATURAL GAS, STEAM, AND I 

1082
00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:13,117
BELIEVE SOLID WASTE AS WELL, 

1083
00:39:13,117 --> 00:39:15,252
THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN A SLIGHT 

1084
00:39:15,252 --> 00:39:15,853
REVISION DOWNWARD, PRIMARILY 

1085
00:39:15,853 --> 00:39:17,521
CAUSED BY CABLE, TELEPHONE AND 

1086
00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:18,155
STEAM REVENUES FOR THE MOST 

1087
00:39:18,155 --> 00:39:20,291
RECENT YEAR OR MOST RECENT 

1088
00:39:20,291 --> 00:39:22,860
QUARTER. UM, AS A RESULT, OR I 

1089
00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:25,396
SHOULD SAY THAT THOSE TAX 

1090
00:39:25,396 --> 00:39:27,231
REVENUE STREAMS HAVE VERY 

1091
00:39:27,231 --> 00:39:29,133
CONCENTRATED TAX BASES. SO THEY 

1092
00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:30,034
CAN BE QUITE VOLATILE. FOR 

1093
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,236
EXAMPLE, STEAM IS PRIMARILY 

1094
00:39:32,236 --> 00:39:33,437
THEIR CUSTOMER BASE IS MOST 

1095
00:39:33,437 --> 00:39:35,239
BUILDINGS WITHIN DOWNTOWN. SO IT

1096
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,340
CAN BE REALLY SENSITIVE TO EVEN 

1097
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:37,541
ONE BUILDING GOING OFF OF STEAM,

1098
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:40,578
FOR EXAMPLE. UM, THERE WERE SOME

1099
00:39:40,578 --> 00:39:41,912
UPWARD REVISIONS IN NATURAL GAS.

1100
00:39:41,912 --> 00:39:43,848
UM, IT WAS DUE TO AN APPROVED 

1101
00:39:43,848 --> 00:39:45,983
RATE INCREASE FOR THE STATE, AND

1102
00:39:45,983 --> 00:39:48,152
IT WAS ROUGHLY ABOUT 14% 

1103
00:39:48,152 --> 00:39:49,253
INCREASE. THAT RAISES THE BASE 

1104
00:39:49,253 --> 00:39:51,689
FOR NEXT YEAR AND RAISES OVERALL

1105
00:39:51,689 --> 00:39:52,923
THE FORECAST UM, SOME UPSIDE 

1106
00:39:52,923 --> 00:39:54,492
RISK WITH THAT AS WELL. IS THAT 

1107
00:39:54,492 --> 00:39:57,795
UM THERE IS ANOTHER PLANNED RATE

1108
00:39:57,795 --> 00:39:58,429
INCREASE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT, 

1109
00:39:58,429 --> 00:40:00,398
BUT IT MIGHT BE REVISED DOWNWARD

1110
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:01,832
WHEN IT'S APPROVED. UM BUT 

1111
00:40:01,832 --> 00:40:03,367
OVERALL PRIVATE UTILITIES ARE 

1112
00:40:03,367 --> 00:40:05,202
SLIGHTLY DAMPENED FROM THE APRIL

1113
00:40:05,202 --> 00:40:06,036
FORECAST MOSTLY DRIVEN BY SMALL 

1114
00:40:06,036 --> 00:40:08,105
REVISIONS. AND THESE SMALL TAX 

1115
00:40:08,105 --> 00:40:09,573
REVENUE STREAMS THAT RESULTS IN 

1116
00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:11,008
A 5.8 MILLION REDUCTION ACROSS 

1117
00:40:11,008 --> 00:40:14,211
THE LAST THREE YEARS COMPARED TO

1118
00:40:14,211 --> 00:40:19,083
APRIL. BACK TO CBO. 

1119
00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:21,118
-- THANKS, JOHN. UM, I'LL TAKE 

1120
00:40:21,118 --> 00:40:23,087
PROPERTY TAX. PROPERTY TAX IN 

1121
00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:25,256
THIS TABLE INCLUDES BOTH THE 

1122
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,425
CITY'S GENERAL EXPENSE PROPERTY

1123
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:30,327
TAX AS WELL AS THE CITY'S SHARE

1124
00:40:30,327 --> 00:40:34,231
OF THE EMS. MEDIC ONE LEVY, UM, 

1125
00:40:34,231 --> 00:40:36,667
WE SEE QUITE A BIT OF A BUMP IN 

1126
00:40:36,667 --> 00:40:41,071
2027 AND 2028. UM, A SMALL SHARE

1127
00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:46,110
OF THAT IS DUE TO, UM, UPWARD 

1128
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:48,179
REVISIONS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN

1129
00:40:48,179 --> 00:40:50,848
SEATTLE, UH, WHICH IS, UM, 

1130
00:40:50,848 --> 00:40:52,349
GARNERING US A BIT MORE 

1131
00:40:52,349 --> 00:40:52,917
COLLECTIONS ON OUR GENERAL 

1132
00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:55,152
EXPENSE PROPERTY TAX. BUT MOST 

1133
00:40:55,152 --> 00:40:58,022
OF IT IS ACTUALLY DRIVEN BY THE 

1134
00:40:58,022 --> 00:40:59,623
EMS LEVY. AND SO, UM, JUST TO 

1135
00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,125
BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON

1136
00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:05,129
BEHIND THE SCENES THERE. UH, SO 

1137
00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:05,963
THE RATE ON THE COUNTY LEVY, THE

1138
00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:07,631
TAX RATE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL 

1139
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:09,633
LEVY IS DETERMINED BY TOTAL 

1140
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:13,103
COUNTY COLLECTION SPREAD OVER, 

1141
00:41:13,103 --> 00:41:15,606
UM, THE TAX BASE, WHICH IS THE, 

1142
00:41:15,606 --> 00:41:17,441
WHICH IS TOTAL KING COUNTY 

1143
00:41:17,441 --> 00:41:21,345
ASSESSED VALUE. UM, THE 

1144
00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:22,947
COUNTY'S EXPECTATION OF THEIR A

1145
00:41:22,947 --> 00:41:24,815
V UM, IN THEIR MOST RECENT 

1146
00:41:24,815 --> 00:41:27,651
FORECAST, WHICH IS JULY WAS 

1147
00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:31,055
ACTUALLY REVISED PRETTY 

1148
00:41:31,055 --> 00:41:32,156
SIGNIFICANTLY DOWNWARD, UM FROM,

1149
00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:34,992
COMPARED TO MARCH. UM, THAT 

1150
00:41:34,992 --> 00:41:36,427
MEANS THAT THAT ACTUALLY PUSHES 

1151
00:41:36,427 --> 00:41:38,762
THE TAX RATE UP, WHICH ENDS UP 

1152
00:41:38,762 --> 00:41:40,197
BENEFITING THE CITY. UM, ON TOP 

1153
00:41:40,197 --> 00:41:42,766
OF THAT, GIVEN THE HIGH, SO THE 

1154
00:41:42,766 --> 00:41:45,703
CITY SHARE IS CALCULATED USING 

1155
00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:47,771
THE OVERALL TAX RATE AND THE 

1156
00:41:47,771 --> 00:41:48,639
CITY'S EXPECTATION OF OUR 

1157
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:52,643
ASSESSED VALUE. AND SO OUR 

1158
00:41:52,643 --> 00:41:53,244
EXPECTATION OF ASSESSED VALUE 

1159
00:41:53,244 --> 00:41:58,082
ACTUALLY WENT UP. SO BOTH UM SO 

1160
00:41:58,082 --> 00:42:01,151
THE MOVEMENT IN RAV AND THE KING

1161
00:42:01,151 --> 00:42:03,420
COUNTY EXPECTATIONS ARE BOTH 

1162
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:05,556
BENEFITING HOW MUCH WE'RE 

1163
00:42:05,556 --> 00:42:08,292
COLLECTING FROM THE EMS LEVY UH,

1164
00:42:08,292 --> 00:42:10,527
UTILITY TAX PUBLIC. SO THIS 

1165
00:42:10,527 --> 00:42:16,100
INCLUDES UM, TAX ON UTILITY 

1166
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:18,669
REVENUES FROM ELECTRICITY, WATER

1167
00:42:18,669 --> 00:42:20,804
DRAINAGE, WASTEWATER, SOLID 

1168
00:42:20,804 --> 00:42:23,440
WASTE AND TONNAGE. UM, SO OFTEN 

1169
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,477
THERE'S THOSE PIECES MOVE UP 

1170
00:42:26,477 --> 00:42:28,679
AND DOWN WITHIN THIS CATEGORY ON

1171
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,215
NET, WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S 

1172
00:42:31,215 --> 00:42:35,486
PRETTY STABLE. UH, IN 27, 28, 26

1173
00:42:35,486 --> 00:42:37,054
WAS REVISED A LITTLE BIT UPWARD,

1174
00:42:37,054 --> 00:42:39,189
UM, DUE TO ACTUALS PERFORMING 

1175
00:42:39,189 --> 00:42:42,226
BETTER THAN EXPECTATIONS. UM, 

1176
00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:46,163
PARTICULARLY WITH WATER AND 

1177
00:42:46,163 --> 00:42:49,366
ELECTRICITY AND THEN OTHER CITY 

1178
00:42:49,366 --> 00:42:51,902
TAXES COMPRISES SEVERAL SMALL, 

1179
00:42:51,902 --> 00:42:53,003
FAIRLY SMALL CITY TAXES THAT SUM

1180
00:42:53,003 --> 00:42:57,675
UP TO ABOUT 16 MILLION PER YEAR.

1181
00:42:57,675 --> 00:42:58,809
UM, THIS WAS REVISED DOWN A 

1182
00:42:58,809 --> 00:43:02,446
LITTLE BIT FOR 26 DUE TO ACTUALS

1183
00:43:02,446 --> 00:43:04,348
ACTUALLY PERFORMING A LITTLE BIT

1184
00:43:04,348 --> 00:43:06,517
WORSE FOR LEASEHOLD EXCISE TAX, 

1185
00:43:06,517 --> 00:43:11,555
AS WELL AS TNC TAX. UM, WHICH 

1186
00:43:11,555 --> 00:43:13,057
HAS NOT BEEN FARING TOO WELL, 

1187
00:43:13,057 --> 00:43:15,125
UM, EVER SINCE THE PANDEMIC 

1188
00:43:15,125 --> 00:43:17,294
ACTUALLY GIVEN, UM, NOT ONLY LOW

1189
00:43:17,294 --> 00:43:19,296
DEMAND, BUT ALSO LOW SUPPLY OF 

1190
00:43:19,296 --> 00:43:22,866
DRIVERS AND I WILL PASS IT TO 

1191
00:43:22,866 --> 00:43:24,969
JOE. 

1192
00:43:24,969 --> 00:43:26,503
-- I'LL SPEAK TO THE PARKING 

1193
00:43:26,503 --> 00:43:28,439
METERS LINE HERE IN THIS TABLE. 

1194
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,975
UM, THIS LINE IS COMPOSED 

1195
00:43:30,975 --> 00:43:32,409
ESSENTIALLY OF TWO REVENUE 

1196
00:43:32,409 --> 00:43:35,646
STREAMS. ONE IS UM THE, WHAT YOU

1197
00:43:35,646 --> 00:43:36,880
PAY IN THE PARKING METERS ON THE

1198
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,083
STREET. THE OTHER IS WHAT WE 

1199
00:43:39,083 --> 00:43:41,285
CALL METER HOODING REVENUES. AND

1200
00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:42,820
THAT'S KIND OF AN ANTIQUATED 

1201
00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:45,756
TERM FOR WHEN YOU, UH, RESERVE A

1202
00:43:45,756 --> 00:43:48,258
PAID PARK, WHEN YOU PAY TO 

1203
00:43:48,258 --> 00:43:49,693
RESERVE SPOTS THAT ARE NORMALLY 

1204
00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:52,296
PAID PARKING. SO THE PARKING 

1205
00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:55,099
METERS FORECAST IS DOWN A BIT. 

1206
00:43:55,099 --> 00:43:57,701
UM, WE DID SEE A RATE 

1207
00:43:57,701 --> 00:43:59,269
ADJUSTMENT, ONE OF THE NORMAL 

1208
00:43:59,269 --> 00:44:00,504
RATE ADJUSTMENTS DURING THE YEAR

1209
00:44:00,504 --> 00:44:02,406
BACK IN THE SECOND WEEK OF MAY, 

1210
00:44:02,406 --> 00:44:03,507
THE RATES WERE ADJUSTED A LITTLE

1211
00:44:03,507 --> 00:44:04,975
HIGHER THAN PREVIOUSLY EXPECTED 

1212
00:44:04,975 --> 00:44:06,543
IN THE APRIL FORECAST. BUT WE 

1213
00:44:06,543 --> 00:44:08,946
CONTINUE TO SEE TRANSACTIONS 

1214
00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:10,714
UNDER PERFORMING. UM, SO 

1215
00:44:10,714 --> 00:44:11,782
SOMETHING OF A WASH THERE IN 

1216
00:44:11,782 --> 00:44:16,954
TERMS OF THE UM PARKING METER 

1217
00:44:16,954 --> 00:44:18,889
FORECAST. UM THE METER HOODING 

1218
00:44:18,889 --> 00:44:22,393
FEES HAVE BEEN UM ADJUSTED 

1219
00:44:22,393 --> 00:44:24,228
UPWARDS SLIGHTLY. THEY OF THE 

1220
00:44:24,228 --> 00:44:25,162
FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR. THOSE 

1221
00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:26,597
REVENUES HAVE COME IN STRONGER 

1222
00:44:26,597 --> 00:44:28,932
THAN WE HAD PREVIOUSLY 

1223
00:44:28,932 --> 00:44:31,535
ANTICIPATED. UM SO THAT FORECAST

1224
00:44:31,535 --> 00:44:32,803
IS UM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF

1225
00:44:32,803 --> 00:44:36,040
THE BUMP YOU SEE IN THOSE IN 27,

1226
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,143
28 UM, LOOKING AT THE, THE NEXT 

1227
00:44:39,143 --> 00:44:41,045
ROW, WHICH IS LABELED COURT 

1228
00:44:41,045 --> 00:44:42,813
FINES HERE, UH, THIS IS COMPOSED

1229
00:44:42,813 --> 00:44:45,115
OF QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT SMALL 

1230
00:44:45,115 --> 00:44:47,418
FINES THAT THE CITY IMPOSES. UM,

1231
00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:48,986
THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT WE SEE

1232
00:44:48,986 --> 00:44:53,090
IN THIS LINE IS ACTUALLY PARKING

1233
00:44:53,090 --> 00:44:54,625
CITATIONS. UM, WE IN THE APRIL 

1234
00:44:54,625 --> 00:44:58,662
FORECAST, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT 

1235
00:44:58,662 --> 00:45:00,464
OF CHANGE TO THIS REVENUE 

1236
00:45:00,464 --> 00:45:01,965
STREAM. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN 

1237
00:45:01,965 --> 00:45:03,667
SOME, THERE HAVE BEEN DEPRESSED,

1238
00:45:03,667 --> 00:45:07,071
UH, CITATIONS FROM PARKING 

1239
00:45:07,071 --> 00:45:08,572
ENFORCEMENT STARTING IN LATE 

1240
00:45:08,572 --> 00:45:09,907
NOVEMBER. UM, A LOT OF THAT IS 

1241
00:45:09,907 --> 00:45:11,608
DUE TO VARIOUS LABOR ISSUES. 

1242
00:45:11,608 --> 00:45:15,345
SOME OF THAT IS INTO 26. WE'VE 

1243
00:45:15,345 --> 00:45:16,780
SEEN LOWER CITATIONS DUE TO SOME

1244
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:19,450
CHANGES IN STATE LAW THAT LIMIT 

1245
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:21,151
LICENSE PLATE READERS. THE USE 

1246
00:45:21,151 --> 00:45:23,921
OF THAT TECHNOLOGY. UM, SO, UH, 

1247
00:45:23,921 --> 00:45:26,824
THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE 

1248
00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:28,926
APRIL FORECAST, BUT IT SEEMS NOW

1249
00:45:28,926 --> 00:45:32,029
THAT REVENUES IN 26 ARE THE 

1250
00:45:32,029 --> 00:45:34,965
CITATION VOLUMES, RATHER IN 26 

1251
00:45:34,965 --> 00:45:36,667
ARE OVERPERFORMING. WHAT WE, THE

1252
00:45:36,667 --> 00:45:37,301
RELATIVELY CONSERVATIVE FORECAST

1253
00:45:37,301 --> 00:45:39,236
WE HAD IN APRIL. UM, SO THAT'S 

1254
00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:40,804
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPWARD 

1255
00:45:40,804 --> 00:45:42,539
ADJUSTMENT THERE. AND UM, AND 

1256
00:45:42,539 --> 00:45:45,175
THAT FLOWS THROUGH INTO THE OUT 

1257
00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:47,778
YEARS AS WELL. UM, SO WE'RE 

1258
00:45:47,778 --> 00:45:49,646
SEEING A RECOVERY IN THOSE 

1259
00:45:49,646 --> 00:45:52,282
CITATIONS THAT'S CLOSER TO WHAT

1260
00:45:52,282 --> 00:45:54,184
WE EXPERIENCED EARLIER IN 2025. 

1261
00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:55,919
UM, THOUGH WE'RE NOT QUITE 

1262
00:45:55,919 --> 00:45:58,088
THERE YET CERTAINLY, BUT BEATING

1263
00:45:58,088 --> 00:45:59,890
OUR APRIL FORECAST, UM, ALEX, 

1264
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:02,359
YOU SPEAK TO THE NEXT ROW THERE.

1265
00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:04,027
-- YEAH. SO LICENSES, PERMITS, 

1266
00:46:04,027 --> 00:46:04,995
INTEREST INCOME AND OTHER. 

1267
00:46:04,995 --> 00:46:07,364
THAT'S A MOUTHFUL. UM, MOST OF 

1268
00:46:07,364 --> 00:46:08,732
THAT IS FEE REVENUE FROM 

1269
00:46:08,732 --> 00:46:12,136
LICENSES AND PERMITS. UM SOME OF

1270
00:46:12,136 --> 00:46:13,804
IT IS INTEREST INCOME, WHICH IS,

1271
00:46:13,804 --> 00:46:16,273
UH, INTEREST EARNINGS ON THE 

1272
00:46:16,273 --> 00:46:20,144
GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE. AND 

1273
00:46:20,144 --> 00:46:23,080
SO IN 2026, UM, THERE'S ABOUT A

1274
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,383
$2 MILLION REVISION UPWARD, UM, 

1275
00:46:26,383 --> 00:46:28,485
DUE TO, UM, BOTH ACTUALLY A, 

1276
00:46:28,485 --> 00:46:33,090
SOME FEE FOR FUNDING AS WELL AS,

1277
00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:36,160
UM, AS WELL AS THE NETWORK 

1278
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,262
COMPANY FEE ACTUALLY ON APP 

1279
00:46:38,262 --> 00:46:39,663
BASED DELIVERY. THAT WAS 

1280
00:46:39,663 --> 00:46:42,032
EFFECTIVE LAST YEAR, BUT TAX 

1281
00:46:42,032 --> 00:46:43,133
COLLECTIONS ONLY STARTED THIS 

1282
00:46:43,133 --> 00:46:45,736
YEAR. AND SO WE WILL ESSENTIALLY

1283
00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:46,570
COLLECT ABOUT TWO YEARS WORTH OF

1284
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:50,874
REVENUE THIS YEAR FROM THAT FEE 

1285
00:46:50,874 --> 00:46:53,744
IN THE OUT YEARS FOR 2728, WE 

1286
00:46:53,744 --> 00:46:54,745
SEE A BIT OF A BUMP UPWARD, UM, 

1287
00:46:54,745 --> 00:46:59,449
ACTUALLY DUE TO INTEREST INCOME.

1288
00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:01,385
UM, THE EXPECTATION FOR SHORT 

1289
00:47:01,385 --> 00:47:03,387
TERM TREASURY YIELDS HAS GONE 

1290
00:47:03,387 --> 00:47:05,989
UP. UM, MOSTLY GIVEN THE 

1291
00:47:05,989 --> 00:47:07,658
EXPECTATION THAT THE FED WILL 

1292
00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:09,893
NOT MOVE TO CUT RATES AND MIGHT 

1293
00:47:09,893 --> 00:47:14,631
EVEN HIKE THEM THIS YEAR. UH, 

1294
00:47:14,631 --> 00:47:14,898
REVENUE., 

1295
00:47:14,898 --> 00:47:17,467
-- REVENUE FROM OTHER PUBLIC 

1296
00:47:17,467 --> 00:47:19,303
ENTITIES IS COMPOSED MAINLY OF 

1297
00:47:19,303 --> 00:47:20,571
TRANSFERS THAT THE CITY RECEIVES

1298
00:47:20,571 --> 00:47:22,406
FROM THE STATE. UNDER STATE LAW,

1299
00:47:22,406 --> 00:47:24,041
CERTAIN STATE REVENUES ARE 

1300
00:47:24,041 --> 00:47:24,842
SHARED WITH COUNTIES AND 

1301
00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:28,011
MUNICIPALITIES. UM, THE CHANGE 

1302
00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:32,916
WE SEE HERE IS DRIVEN BY UM, TWO

1303
00:47:32,916 --> 00:47:35,185
DIFFERENT, UH, STATE SHARED 

1304
00:47:35,185 --> 00:47:37,454
REVENUES, MAINLY FROM THE LIQUOR

1305
00:47:37,454 --> 00:47:39,656
EXCISE TAX AND SOMEWHAT FROM THE

1306
00:47:39,656 --> 00:47:42,860
MARIJUANA EXCISE TAX. UM, THE 

1307
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:44,862
STATE PUBLISHES GROWTH FACTORS 

1308
00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:47,164
FOR THE OUTLOOK FOR THESE SHARED

1309
00:47:47,164 --> 00:47:50,500
REVENUES. AND THERE HAS BEEN AN 

1310
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:52,903
UPDATE SUBSEQUENT TO THE APRIL 

1311
00:47:52,903 --> 00:47:54,338
FORECAST AND THE OUTLOOK FOR THE

1312
00:47:54,338 --> 00:47:56,740
LIQUOR EXCISE TAX PROFIT, UH, 

1313
00:47:56,740 --> 00:47:57,908
REVENUES AS WELL AS THE 

1314
00:47:57,908 --> 00:48:00,143
MARIJUANA EXCISE TAX REVENUES 

1315
00:48:00,143 --> 00:48:02,746
WERE UM WERE DOWNGRADED SINCE 

1316
00:48:02,746 --> 00:48:06,483
THE APRIL FORECAST. SO THAT IS 

1317
00:48:06,483 --> 00:48:07,117
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DOWNGRADE OF

1318
00:48:07,117 --> 00:48:08,752
ABOUT 1.2 MILLION OVER THE THREE

1319
00:48:08,752 --> 00:48:11,955
YEAR PERIOD IN THIS TABLE. 

1320
00:48:11,955 --> 00:48:14,291
-- AND THEN SERVICE CHARGES AND 

1321
00:48:14,291 --> 00:48:17,094
REIMBURSEMENTS. UM, A LOT OF THE

1322
00:48:17,094 --> 00:48:18,996
REVENUES THAT GO INTO THIS 

1323
00:48:18,996 --> 00:48:21,531
CATEGORY ARE INTERNAL SERVICE 

1324
00:48:21,531 --> 00:48:23,333
CHARGES. SO CHARGE CHARGES THAT 

1325
00:48:23,333 --> 00:48:25,636
ARE, UM, REVENUES THAT 

1326
00:48:25,636 --> 00:48:27,237
DEPARTMENT GET DEPARTMENTS GET 

1327
00:48:27,237 --> 00:48:29,573
FOR THEIR SERVICES TO OTHER 

1328
00:48:29,573 --> 00:48:34,077
DEPARTMENTS, UM, THE, IN 2026, 

1329
00:48:34,077 --> 00:48:37,014
THE 1.7 MILLION ACTUALLY POINTS 

1330
00:48:37,014 --> 00:48:39,149
TO SOME REVENUE TO THE LAW 

1331
00:48:39,149 --> 00:48:41,618
DEPARTMENT THAT ACTUALLY WAS 

1332
00:48:41,618 --> 00:48:44,588
SHIFTED FROM 25 TO 26. UM, AND 

1333
00:48:44,588 --> 00:48:46,890
27 AND 28. UM, SO AGAIN, THESE 

1334
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:49,593
ARE, UM, VARIOUS 

1335
00:48:49,593 --> 00:48:50,227
INTER-DEPARTMENTAL CHARGES THAT 

1336
00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:53,530
HAVE BEEN MOVING UP AND DOWN. 

1337
00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:57,267
UM, THIS, UH, SO ON NET, WE ARE 

1338
00:48:57,267 --> 00:49:02,172
ASSUMING, UM, AN INCREASE TO 

1339
00:49:02,172 --> 00:49:04,274
THOSE CHARGES OVERALL. UH, AND 

1340
00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:07,411
THEN GRANTS IN 2026, THE 18.3 

1341
00:49:07,411 --> 00:49:10,514
MILLION IS, UM, COMPLETELY, 

1342
00:49:10,514 --> 00:49:12,883
ENTIRELY FROM THE MIDYEAR 

1343
00:49:12,883 --> 00:49:15,218
SUPPLEMENTAL AS WELL AS MORE FEE

1344
00:49:15,218 --> 00:49:17,654
FOR FUNDING, UM, SEVERAL MILLION

1345
00:49:17,654 --> 00:49:21,191
IN FEE FOR FUNDING IN 2728. 

1346
00:49:21,191 --> 00:49:23,894
THESE ARE REVISED EXPECTATIONS 

1347
00:49:23,894 --> 00:49:28,398
FOR GRANTS THAT ARE NOW ASSUMED 

1348
00:49:28,398 --> 00:49:31,301
TO BE ONGOING INTO THE BIENNIUM 

1349
00:49:31,301 --> 00:49:33,170
AND THEN FINALLY FUND BALANCE 

1350
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:35,772
TRANSFERS. UH, THIS -1 MILLION, 

1351
00:49:35,772 --> 00:49:39,643
UM, IS SIMPLY A CORRECTION OF AN

1352
00:49:39,643 --> 00:49:41,011
ERROR TO THE PAYROLL EXPENSE TAX

1353
00:49:41,011 --> 00:49:43,280
TRANSFER, WHICH IS THE BULK OF 

1354
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,317
THIS CATEGORY 

1355
00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:50,287
-- ALL RIGHT. SO OVERALL IT'S 

1356
00:49:50,287 --> 00:49:51,254
59.4 MILLION MORE OVER THREE 

1357
00:49:51,254 --> 00:49:56,360
YEARS. THAT'S ROUGHLY 1.1% MORE

1358
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:56,994
IN REVENUES PREDICTED FOR THOSE 

1359
00:49:56,994 --> 00:49:58,095
THREE YEARS FOR THE GENERAL 

1360
00:49:58,095 --> 00:50:00,063
FUND. MOVING TO THE NON-GENERAL 

1361
00:50:00,063 --> 00:50:02,366
FUND REVENUES. UH, YEAH. 

1362
00:50:02,366 --> 00:50:03,567
-- YEAH. DIRECTOR. JUST BEFORE 

1363
00:50:03,567 --> 00:50:07,170
WE MOVE ON, I WANTED TO NOTE IN 

1364
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:07,671
THE EARLIER PART OF THE 

1365
00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:08,872
PRESENTATION, YOU NOTED THAT WE 

1366
00:50:08,872 --> 00:50:10,240
WERE MUDDLING THROUGH OUR 

1367
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,275
ECONOMY. WE'VE SEEN THIS FOR 

1368
00:50:12,275 --> 00:50:14,444
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF SLOW 

1369
00:50:14,444 --> 00:50:17,481
OR THERE WAS ONE MOMENT, 

1370
00:50:17,481 --> 00:50:18,081
NEGATIVE GROWTH THAT WE WERE 

1371
00:50:18,081 --> 00:50:20,984
CONCERNED WITH IN HERE, WE HAVE 

1372
00:50:20,984 --> 00:50:22,386
$59 MILLION OVER THREE YEARS, 

1373
00:50:22,386 --> 00:50:25,322
WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY. BUT IN 

1374
00:50:25,322 --> 00:50:27,357
THE CONTEXT OF OUR CITY'S BUDGET

1375
00:50:27,357 --> 00:50:29,893
AND OUR GENERAL, WHEN WE RECEIVE

1376
00:50:29,893 --> 00:50:32,662
THESE REPORTS EVERY, YOU KNOW, 

1377
00:50:32,662 --> 00:50:33,864
THREE TIMES A YEAR IN THE PAST 

1378
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:35,432
WHEN WE'VE BEEN IN OUR HIGH 

1379
00:50:35,432 --> 00:50:40,470
GROWTH PERIOD, WHAT WERE OUR 

1380
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:42,806
CHANGES AT THAT POINT? WAS IT 

1381
00:50:42,806 --> 00:50:43,774
TWICE THIS THREE TIMES THIS A 

1382
00:50:43,774 --> 00:50:46,009
HALF OF THIS? WHAT ARE WE SEEING

1383
00:50:46,009 --> 00:50:47,110
GENERALLY OVER THE COURSE OF 

1384
00:50:47,110 --> 00:50:48,178
TIME HERE? 

1385
00:50:48,178 --> 00:50:51,715
-- YEAH. SO AGAIN, 59 MILLION IS

1386
00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:54,951
A LOT, BUT NOT OUT OF IF YOU ADD

1387
00:50:54,951 --> 00:50:57,621
UP THE THREE YEARS, UH, 1.8, 

1388
00:50:57,621 --> 00:51:01,024
1.8, 1.9 BILLION. SO IT'S OUT 

1389
00:51:01,024 --> 00:51:02,092
OF ROUGHLY 6 BILLION. UM, SO 

1390
00:51:02,092 --> 00:51:05,429
AGAIN, JUST 1.1%. SO THAT THE 

1391
00:51:05,429 --> 00:51:06,930
SMALL SORT OF REVISIONS IN THE 

1392
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:08,365
GRAND SCALE, THEY WERE 

1393
00:51:08,365 --> 00:51:10,934
DEFINITELY MUCH LARGER REVISIONS

1394
00:51:10,934 --> 00:51:12,769
DURING COVID. UM, BEFORE THAT, 

1395
00:51:12,769 --> 00:51:14,404
FOR THE TEN YEARS BEFORE THAT, 

1396
00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:16,673
WHAT WAS USUALLY HAPPENING IS 

1397
00:51:16,673 --> 00:51:18,575
THAT THE GROWTH WAS EXCEEDING 

1398
00:51:18,575 --> 00:51:20,077
EXPECTATIONS DURING THE 

1399
00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:25,348
CONSTRUCTION BOOM. THE TECH 

1400
00:51:25,348 --> 00:51:25,949
SECTOR, BOOM BETWEEN 2010 AND 

1401
00:51:25,949 --> 00:51:28,785
2019, THE FORECAST REVISIONS 

1402
00:51:28,785 --> 00:51:30,187
WERE UP BECAUSE OF THOSE CHANGES

1403
00:51:30,187 --> 00:51:32,322
IN BETTER OUTLOOK HERE. A LOT OF

1404
00:51:32,322 --> 00:51:33,890
IT IS AGAIN, DRIVEN BY CHANGES 

1405
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:37,327
DUE TO THE LEGISLATION, NOT 

1406
00:51:37,327 --> 00:51:37,861
REALLY BIG CHANGES IN THE 

1407
00:51:37,861 --> 00:51:39,029
ECONOMIC OUTLOOK, WHICH AGAIN 

1408
00:51:39,029 --> 00:51:41,665
DID NOT CHANGE MUCH. KIND OF 

1409
00:51:41,665 --> 00:51:42,265
STILL ROLLING THROUGH THERE. 

1410
00:51:42,265 --> 00:51:44,134
-- SO IF WE HAD NOT HAD THESE 

1411
00:51:44,134 --> 00:51:47,771
LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, WE MIGHT BE

1412
00:51:47,771 --> 00:51:50,006
AT A 0% INCREASE RATHER THAN A. 

1413
00:51:50,006 --> 00:51:52,309
-- YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE TOUGH 

1414
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:54,211
WITHOUT THOSE ADDITIONAL 

1415
00:51:54,211 --> 00:51:55,011
REVENUES IN SALES TAX, 

1416
00:51:55,011 --> 00:51:56,847
ADDITIONAL REVENUES IN BUSINESS 

1417
00:51:56,847 --> 00:51:57,914
OCCUPATION TAX. YES. 

1418
00:51:57,914 --> 00:51:58,548
-- AND JUST HIGHLIGHTING AGAIN 

1419
00:51:58,548 --> 00:52:00,517
THAT THESE THIS THIS POSITIVE 

1420
00:52:00,517 --> 00:52:02,085
NEWS IS NOT NECESSARILY FROM 

1421
00:52:02,085 --> 00:52:04,287
ECONOMIC GROWTH, RATHER FROM 

1422
00:52:04,287 --> 00:52:06,490
CHANGES IN LAW. 

1423
00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:07,457
-- YEAH. AND THE WAY HOW HOW WE 

1424
00:52:07,457 --> 00:52:10,460
WERE ASSUMING A MORE 

1425
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:11,094
CONSERVATIVE, WE WERE TAKING A 

1426
00:52:11,094 --> 00:52:13,830
MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND 

1427
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:16,867
ADDING THOSE REVENUES. WELL, THE

1428
00:52:16,867 --> 00:52:18,702
ACTUAL REVENUES EXCEEDED OUR 

1429
00:52:18,702 --> 00:52:19,836
EXPECTATIONS WITH ADDITIONAL 

1430
00:52:19,836 --> 00:52:23,173
REVENUES FROM NEW SALES TAX HAS 

1431
00:52:23,173 --> 00:52:24,541
EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS. AND 

1432
00:52:24,541 --> 00:52:24,841
THAT'S. 

1433
00:52:24,841 --> 00:52:26,076
-- THANK YOU. AND MY LAST 

1434
00:52:26,076 --> 00:52:28,245
COMPLIMENTS TO JOE. WE HAVE 

1435
00:52:28,245 --> 00:52:29,012
GOTTEN OVER THE BOW WAKE OF OUR 

1436
00:52:29,012 --> 00:52:31,381
PARK, OUR PARKING METER CHANGES 

1437
00:52:31,381 --> 00:52:32,482
WHERE WE WEREN'T CHARGING 

1438
00:52:32,482 --> 00:52:34,684
ENOUGH, WHERE OUR FINES WERE 

1439
00:52:34,684 --> 00:52:37,621
ACTUALLY, UM, LESS EXPENSIVE 

1440
00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:38,655
THAN NOT PAYING FOR PARKING. WE 

1441
00:52:38,655 --> 00:52:40,924
NOW HAVE A MORE APPROPRIATE 

1442
00:52:40,924 --> 00:52:42,225
FINES AND WE ARE ROLLING OUT 

1443
00:52:42,225 --> 00:52:45,128
PAID PARKING OUT IN MORE PLACES.

1444
00:52:45,128 --> 00:52:46,396
UM, JUST WANTED TO NOTE, THIS IS

1445
00:52:46,396 --> 00:52:47,697
THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN ABLE 

1446
00:52:47,697 --> 00:52:49,533
TO SEE US GETTING BACK INTO THE 

1447
00:52:49,533 --> 00:52:52,135
BLACK. AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF

1448
00:52:52,135 --> 00:52:54,104
THE ANALYSIS YOU PROVIDE, BUT 

1449
00:52:54,104 --> 00:52:55,672
RATHER THE POLICY THAT WE MAKE 

1450
00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:57,307
HERE. AND SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE 

1451
00:52:57,307 --> 00:52:58,475
THAT THAT IS STABILIZING. SO 

1452
00:52:58,475 --> 00:53:00,177
THINK THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'LL

1453
00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:00,944
BRING UP PARKING METERS. JOE, 

1454
00:53:00,944 --> 00:53:02,345
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK. 

1455
00:53:02,345 --> 00:53:05,615
-- VERY WELCOME. THANK YOU. 

1456
00:53:05,615 --> 00:53:11,021
-- ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE 

1457
00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:11,655
NON GENERAL FUND REVENUES. UH, 

1458
00:53:11,655 --> 00:53:12,656
THE LARGEST REVISIONS ARE AS 

1459
00:53:12,656 --> 00:53:15,192
USUALLY TO THE PAYROLL EXPENSE 

1460
00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:19,062
TAX THAT UH, HAS TO DO A LOT 

1461
00:53:19,062 --> 00:53:21,031
WITH THE UNDERLYING TAX BASE AND

1462
00:53:21,031 --> 00:53:22,866
THE FACTORS DRIVING IT. UH, 

1463
00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:24,201
WHENEVER THERE IS A CHANGE IN 

1464
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:26,436
THE OUTLOOK FOR STOCK PRICES, 

1465
00:53:26,436 --> 00:53:30,106
UM, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT, 

1466
00:53:30,106 --> 00:53:30,707
USUALLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN 

1467
00:53:30,707 --> 00:53:31,641
THE OUTLOOK FOR THIS REVENUE 

1468
00:53:31,641 --> 00:53:35,512
STREAM. THIS YEAR. WE ALSO HAVE 

1469
00:53:35,512 --> 00:53:37,080
THE IMPACT OF THOSE LAYOFFS IN 

1470
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,849
THE TECH SECTOR AFFECTING THE 

1471
00:53:39,849 --> 00:53:41,851
OUTLOOK FOR PAYROLL EXPENSE TAX.

1472
00:53:41,851 --> 00:53:45,889
YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A YEAR OVER

1473
00:53:45,889 --> 00:53:46,656
YEAR DECLINE BETWEEN 25 AND 26. 

1474
00:53:46,656 --> 00:53:49,593
UH, AGAIN, LAYOFFS, BUT LARGELY 

1475
00:53:49,593 --> 00:53:54,297
OFFSET BY THE IMPROVED OUTLOOK. 

1476
00:53:54,297 --> 00:53:58,435
UH, SINCE SINCE APRIL THAT THAT 

1477
00:53:58,435 --> 00:54:00,503
ADDED ABOUT 18 MILLION THIS 

1478
00:54:00,503 --> 00:54:01,871
YEAR. SIMILAR AMOUNTS IN NEXT TO

1479
00:54:01,871 --> 00:54:04,207
FOR A TOTAL CHANGE OF 57.7 

1480
00:54:04,207 --> 00:54:06,876
MILLION OVER THE THREE YEARS, 

1481
00:54:06,876 --> 00:54:10,180
UM, HANDING IT OVER TO INTEREST 

1482
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:11,481
INCOME FOR THIS FUND. 

1483
00:54:11,481 --> 00:54:12,782
-- YEAH. UH, SO AGAIN, THIS 

1484
00:54:12,782 --> 00:54:15,085
TABLE IS A MIX OF FORECASTS THAT

1485
00:54:15,085 --> 00:54:16,519
ARE FORECASTED BY THE FORECAST 

1486
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:17,087
OFFICE AND BY CITY BUDGET 

1487
00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:18,188
OFFICE. SO WE'RE GOING TO PING 

1488
00:54:18,188 --> 00:54:19,389
PONG A LITTLE BIT HERE. BUT THE 

1489
00:54:19,389 --> 00:54:21,758
INTERESTING COME ON THE PAYROLL 

1490
00:54:21,758 --> 00:54:24,294
EXPENSE TAX FOLLOWS SIMILAR 

1491
00:54:24,294 --> 00:54:25,562
UNDERLYING TRENDS TO THE 

1492
00:54:25,562 --> 00:54:27,564
INTEREST INCOME ON THE GENERAL 

1493
00:54:27,564 --> 00:54:30,233
FUND IN THAT UM THE, UH, THE 

1494
00:54:30,233 --> 00:54:32,268
FORECAST IS UP FOR THESE FOR, 

1495
00:54:32,268 --> 00:54:34,137
FOR INTEREST ON EARNINGS ON THIS

1496
00:54:34,137 --> 00:54:39,643
FUND, GENERALLY BECAUSE OF, UM, 

1497
00:54:39,643 --> 00:54:40,610
THE HIGHER EXPECTED YIELDS TO 

1498
00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:42,345
TREASURY BONDS, WHICH IS THE 

1499
00:54:42,345 --> 00:54:47,384
MAIN INVESTMENT VEHICLE FOR, FOR

1500
00:54:47,384 --> 00:54:47,851
THESE FUND BALANCES. 

1501
00:54:47,851 --> 00:54:50,920
-- UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE 

1502
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,588
IMPACT OF THE HIGHER INTEREST 

1503
00:54:51,588 --> 00:54:52,856
RATE IS THE OPPOSITE. UH, AS I 

1504
00:54:52,856 --> 00:54:55,625
MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THE 

1505
00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:58,094
EXPECTATIONS ARE NOW THAT THE 

1506
00:54:58,094 --> 00:54:59,262
FEDERAL, THE, THE FED WILL NOT 

1507
00:54:59,262 --> 00:55:01,798
CUT THE INTEREST RATES. MORTGAGE

1508
00:55:01,798 --> 00:55:02,866
RATES HAVE GONE UP. SO THERE WAS

1509
00:55:02,866 --> 00:55:05,869
ALSO A CHANGE AT THE LOWER END 

1510
00:55:05,869 --> 00:55:10,674
OF THE YIELD CURVE. UM, THERE IS

1511
00:55:10,674 --> 00:55:12,008
UH, AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON THE 

1512
00:55:12,008 --> 00:55:15,178
NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE SOLD. 

1513
00:55:15,178 --> 00:55:15,679
THEY ARE BECOMING LESS 

1514
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,313
AFFORDABLE WITH HIGHER MORTGAGE 

1515
00:55:17,313 --> 00:55:19,616
RATES. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE THAT

1516
00:55:19,616 --> 00:55:21,351
EFFECT OF HIGHER UNCERTAINTY AND

1517
00:55:21,351 --> 00:55:22,719
LAYOFFS IN THE TECH SECTOR, 

1518
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,921
WHICH ARE MAKING SOME BUYERS 

1519
00:55:24,921 --> 00:55:27,357
MOST LIKELY VERY HESITANT ABOUT 

1520
00:55:27,357 --> 00:55:31,795
MAKING A BIGGER PURCHASE. UM, SO

1521
00:55:31,795 --> 00:55:32,796
THAT HAS RESULTED IN, UH, A 

1522
00:55:32,796 --> 00:55:37,233
REVISION DOWN FOR RATE, UM, 

1523
00:55:37,233 --> 00:55:39,936
OVERALL, ABOUT 23 MILLION OVER 

1524
00:55:39,936 --> 00:55:44,307
THREE YEARS. UM, AND, UH, UM, 

1525
00:55:44,307 --> 00:55:47,577
THEN FOR THE ADMISSIONS TAX, 

1526
00:55:47,577 --> 00:55:48,211
SLIGHTLY SMALLER REVENUES THIS 

1527
00:55:48,211 --> 00:55:51,181
YEAR, SLIGHTLY LARGER REVENUES 

1528
00:55:51,181 --> 00:55:52,949
IN THE NEXT TWO OVERALL, VERY 

1529
00:55:52,949 --> 00:55:54,451
MINOR CHANGE OVER THREE YEARS. 

1530
00:55:54,451 --> 00:55:55,351
UH, I'LL HEAD. 

1531
00:55:55,351 --> 00:55:56,753
-- OVER THE SWEETENED BEVERAGE 

1532
00:55:56,753 --> 00:55:58,722
TAX. WE HAVE REVISED DOWNWARD A 

1533
00:55:58,722 --> 00:56:02,392
TOTAL OF 3.8 MILLION ACROSS THE 

1534
00:56:02,392 --> 00:56:03,593
THREE YEAR PERIOD. WE HAVE SEEN 

1535
00:56:03,593 --> 00:56:04,861
ACTUAL REVENUES COMING IN LOWER 

1536
00:56:04,861 --> 00:56:05,795
IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS 

1537
00:56:05,795 --> 00:56:07,664
YEAR, WHICH IS AN ADJUSTMENT 

1538
00:56:07,664 --> 00:56:09,532
THAT, UM, THAT BLEEDS THROUGH 

1539
00:56:09,532 --> 00:56:12,936
INTO THE OTHER YEARS OF THIS 

1540
00:56:12,936 --> 00:56:15,038
MODEL AND EXPECTED REVENUES, UM,

1541
00:56:15,038 --> 00:56:16,539
UH, WE ALSO, THERE WAS ALSO A 

1542
00:56:16,539 --> 00:56:18,742
DOWNWARD REVISION TO POPULATION 

1543
00:56:18,742 --> 00:56:21,111
GROWTH ESTIMATES FOR THE REGION.

1544
00:56:21,111 --> 00:56:22,479
AND THE REASON FOR IN THIS 

1545
00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:23,813
FORECAST. AND SO THAT IS ONE OF 

1546
00:56:23,813 --> 00:56:25,415
THE INPUTS THAT WE USE TO 

1547
00:56:25,415 --> 00:56:27,784
FORECAST THIS REVENUE STREAM. SO

1548
00:56:27,784 --> 00:56:30,153
THAT ALSO COMPOSES A DOWNWARD, 

1549
00:56:30,153 --> 00:56:32,555
UM, IMPACT ON THIS REVENUE 

1550
00:56:32,555 --> 00:56:35,125
STREAM. AND I WILL ALSO ADD THAT

1551
00:56:35,125 --> 00:56:37,460
IN 26, WE HAD ASSUMED A BUMP 

1552
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:39,629
FROM WORLD CUP ACTIVITY. UM, WE 

1553
00:56:39,629 --> 00:56:42,098
STILL ASSUME SOME BUMP. WE HAVE,

1554
00:56:42,098 --> 00:56:43,533
UH, SOFTENED THAT INCREASE IN 

1555
00:56:43,533 --> 00:56:45,802
THIS REVENUE FORECAST BASED ON 

1556
00:56:45,802 --> 00:56:48,271
VERY EARLY DATA ON TOURIST 

1557
00:56:48,271 --> 00:56:50,473
ACTIVITY. UM, WE DON'T HAVE 

1558
00:56:50,473 --> 00:56:51,241
SALES TAX INFORMATION FOR THE 

1559
00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:52,876
WORLD CUP PERIOD AS YET, BUT, 

1560
00:56:52,876 --> 00:56:57,147
UM, BUT SOME JUST, UM, SORT OF 

1561
00:56:57,147 --> 00:57:00,183
PERIPHERAL DATA SOURCES SUGGEST 

1562
00:57:00,183 --> 00:57:00,817
MAYBE SOFTENING THAT, UM, THAT 

1563
00:57:00,817 --> 00:57:05,021
ASSUMPTION. SO WE HAVE IN 26. 

1564
00:57:05,021 --> 00:57:07,257
-- UM, AS FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL 

1565
00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:10,193
TAX, THE STORY IS SIMILAR IN 

1566
00:57:10,193 --> 00:57:13,963
2026. THAT REDUCTION CASCADES 

1567
00:57:13,963 --> 00:57:15,331
THROUGH 27 TO 28 A LITTLE BIT. 

1568
00:57:15,331 --> 00:57:17,200
UM ACTUALS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE 

1569
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,436
BIT WEAKER THAN UM THAN 

1570
00:57:20,436 --> 00:57:23,740
FORECASTED. AND THEN ON TOP OF 

1571
00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:25,842
THAT, RELATED TO THE WORLD CUP 

1572
00:57:25,842 --> 00:57:28,278
EFFECT, UM, HOTEL REVENUE AND 

1573
00:57:28,278 --> 00:57:30,880
OCCUPANCY, UM, HAVE BEEN 

1574
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,615
REVISED, NOTABLY DOWN, OR AT 

1575
00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:35,552
LEAST THE OUTLOOK FOR THAT FOR 

1576
00:57:35,552 --> 00:57:37,420
THE REST OF 2026. AND SO, UM, WE

1577
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:40,757
DON'T HAVE, WE ACTUALLY DON'T 

1578
00:57:40,757 --> 00:57:42,091
HAVE JUNE OR JULY ACTUALS FOR 

1579
00:57:42,091 --> 00:57:43,359
SHORT TERM RENTAL TAX. UM, BUT 

1580
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:44,828
THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME 

1581
00:57:44,828 --> 00:57:46,496
INDICATIONS THAT WE NEED TO 

1582
00:57:46,496 --> 00:57:48,832
TEMPER OUR EXPECTATIONS. UM, 

1583
00:57:48,832 --> 00:57:52,602
ABOUT WORLD CUP 

1584
00:57:52,602 --> 00:57:56,105
-- ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT LINE IS A

1585
00:57:56,105 --> 00:57:58,341
NEW ONE. OUR OFFICE TOOK OVER 

1586
00:57:58,341 --> 00:57:58,908
FORECASTING FOR AFFORDABLE 

1587
00:57:58,908 --> 00:58:01,511
HOUSING SALES TAX. UH, THAT 

1588
00:58:01,511 --> 00:58:04,280
REVENUE IS KEPT, UH, BY, BY 

1589
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,416
STATE, ESSENTIALLY, UH, TRANSFER

1590
00:58:06,416 --> 00:58:07,884
OF SOME SHARE OF A SALES TAX 

1591
00:58:07,884 --> 00:58:09,419
THAT WOULD OTHERWISE GO TO THE 

1592
00:58:09,419 --> 00:58:12,288
STATE AND, UH, HOVERS AROUND 

1593
00:58:12,288 --> 00:58:14,357
4.4. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE SEEING

1594
00:58:14,357 --> 00:58:15,625
IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS 

1595
00:58:15,625 --> 00:58:18,394
DUE TO THOSE, UM, DUE TO 

1596
00:58:18,394 --> 00:58:20,163
ESSENTIALLY THAT, THAT CAP AND 

1597
00:58:20,163 --> 00:58:22,265
THE, THE MECHANICS FOR THIS TAX 

1598
00:58:22,265 --> 00:58:27,704
WORK. UM, THE LINE BELOW, UH, 

1599
00:58:27,704 --> 00:58:28,338
TRANSPORTATION BENEFIT DISTRICT 

1600
00:58:28,338 --> 00:58:31,875
SALES TAX, UM, THAT ONE, UNLESS 

1601
00:58:31,875 --> 00:58:33,943
IT'S RENEWED, UM, IT ENDS IN, 

1602
00:58:33,943 --> 00:58:37,280
UH, FIRST QUARTER OF 2027. SO 

1603
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,215
THAT'S WHY THERE IS A BIG DROP 

1604
00:58:39,215 --> 00:58:41,417
IN 2027. IT'S ONLY ONE QUARTER 

1605
00:58:41,417 --> 00:58:44,787
OF REVENUES. AND THEN NOTHING 

1606
00:58:44,787 --> 00:58:46,456
FOR 2028. THERE IS A PROPOSAL 

1607
00:58:46,456 --> 00:58:49,459
TO, FOR THIS TO BE RENEWED AT 

1608
00:58:49,459 --> 00:58:53,730
0.3% RATE. THAT WOULD GENERATE 

1609
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:57,433
AN ADDITIONAL 96.3 MILLION IN 27

1610
00:58:57,433 --> 00:58:59,302
AND ABOUT 125.3 IN 2028. UM, 

1611
00:58:59,302 --> 00:59:01,604
I'LL HAND IT OVER AGAIN TO JOE.

1612
00:59:01,604 --> 00:59:03,273
-- YEAH. UM, ALSO PART OF THE 

1613
00:59:03,273 --> 00:59:06,042
SEATTLE TRANSIT BENEFIT DISTRICT

1614
00:59:06,042 --> 00:59:06,943
FUND IS A VEHICLE LICENSE FEE. 

1615
00:59:06,943 --> 00:59:08,611
THAT IS THE $50 FEE YOU PAY WHEN

1616
00:59:08,611 --> 00:59:13,249
YOU RENEW YOUR CAR TABS. UM, WE 

1617
00:59:13,249 --> 00:59:15,852
HAVE REVISED THIS FORECAST DOWN 

1618
00:59:15,852 --> 00:59:16,986
BY 5.5 MILLION ACROSS THE THREE 

1619
00:59:16,986 --> 00:59:20,723
YEAR PERIOD. UM, REVENUE SO FAR 

1620
00:59:20,723 --> 00:59:22,058
IN 26 ARE LOWER THAN EXPECTED. 

1621
00:59:22,058 --> 00:59:24,127
AND SO THAT IS, UM, PART OF 

1622
00:59:24,127 --> 00:59:25,662
WHAT'S DEPRESSING THE, THE 

1623
00:59:25,662 --> 00:59:27,230
OUTLOOK FOR THESE REVENUES, THE 

1624
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:29,499
REASONS FOR THAT ARE FRANKLY A 

1625
00:59:29,499 --> 00:59:30,667
LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO DISCERN 

1626
00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:34,370
AT THIS MOMENT. THERE, UM, 25th 

1627
00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:36,339
MAY HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY ANOMALOUS

1628
00:59:36,339 --> 00:59:38,641
IN THAT THERE WERE FEDERAL TAX 

1629
00:59:38,641 --> 00:59:40,310
CREDITS EXPIRING FOR VEHICLE 

1630
00:59:40,310 --> 00:59:41,711
PURCHASES. THERE WERE, UM, THERE

1631
00:59:41,711 --> 00:59:43,980
MAY HAVE BEEN SOME VEHICLE 

1632
00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:44,881
PURCHASING TO GET AHEAD OF 

1633
00:59:44,881 --> 00:59:47,583
TARIFF EFFECTS. UM, THERE, BUT, 

1634
00:59:47,583 --> 00:59:49,919
BUT UM, THERE MAY ALSO BE SOME 

1635
00:59:49,919 --> 00:59:51,721
IMPACT OF HOW THE DEPARTMENT OF 

1636
00:59:51,721 --> 00:59:53,222
LICENSING REMINDS YOU TO RENEW 

1637
00:59:53,222 --> 00:59:55,892
YOUR TABS. UM, THAT CHANGED IN 

1638
00:59:55,892 --> 00:59:58,528
ABOUT A YEAR AGO, IN AUGUST OF 

1639
00:59:58,528 --> 01:00:02,532
2025. UM, AND SO WE, UM, ARE 

1640
01:00:02,532 --> 01:00:03,099
THEORIZING THAT POTENTIALLY 

1641
01:00:03,099 --> 01:00:04,267
THERE IS SOME IMPACT IN FOLKS 

1642
01:00:04,267 --> 01:00:06,636
DELAYING OR MAYBE EVEN FORGOING 

1643
01:00:06,636 --> 01:00:08,471
RENEWING TABS. AND SO, UM, 

1644
01:00:08,471 --> 01:00:09,238
THERE'S A BEHAVIORAL COMPONENT 

1645
01:00:09,238 --> 01:00:11,174
HERE THAT THAT IS POSSIBLY AT 

1646
01:00:11,174 --> 01:00:15,178
PLAY. UM, YOU'LL ALSO SEE A 

1647
01:00:15,178 --> 01:00:17,313
LARGER DOWNWARD REVISION IN 2027

1648
01:00:17,313 --> 01:00:18,748
OF 3.2 MILLION. AND FRANKLY, 

1649
01:00:18,748 --> 01:00:21,117
THAT IS DUE TO A RECALIBRATION 

1650
01:00:21,117 --> 01:00:23,152
OF THE MODEL THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY

1651
01:00:23,152 --> 01:00:25,555
BEEN PICKING UP QUITE A LARGE 

1652
01:00:25,555 --> 01:00:29,125
BUMP IN THIS REVENUE STREAM IN 

1653
01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:31,928
2027. UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN 

1654
01:00:31,928 --> 01:00:33,296
CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE'S 

1655
01:00:33,296 --> 01:00:33,896
FORECASTING OFFICE AND THEIR 

1656
01:00:33,896 --> 01:00:35,064
OUTLOOK FOR VEHICLE 

1657
01:00:35,064 --> 01:00:36,933
REGISTRATIONS OVER THIS TIME 

1658
01:00:36,933 --> 01:00:38,534
PERIOD, AND HAVE MOSTLY 

1659
01:00:38,534 --> 01:00:40,069
ELIMINATED THAT BUMP IN 27 IN 

1660
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:43,606
ORDER TO, UH, BRING OURSELVES 

1661
01:00:43,606 --> 01:00:44,941
OUR MODELING INTO ALIGNMENT WITH

1662
01:00:44,941 --> 01:00:49,345
THEIR OUTLOOK. UM, AND, UH, AND 

1663
01:00:49,345 --> 01:00:50,780
SO THAT LEADS TO QUITE A 

1664
01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:55,351
REVISION IN THE 27 FORECAST. 

1665
01:00:55,351 --> 01:00:58,021
-- GOOD UH, FOR COMMERCIAL 

1666
01:00:58,021 --> 01:00:58,688
PARKING TAX. UM, THERE'S A BIT 

1667
01:00:58,688 --> 01:01:02,759
OF A DOWNWARD REVISION IN 2026. 

1668
01:01:02,759 --> 01:01:04,460
UM, THE REASONS ARE TWOFOLD. ONE

1669
01:01:04,460 --> 01:01:07,664
IS ACTUALS ARE LAGGING FORECAST 

1670
01:01:07,664 --> 01:01:10,967
JUST A LITTLE BIT. UH, THE OTHER

1671
01:01:10,967 --> 01:01:12,969
IS THAT THE OUTLOOK FOR LEISURE 

1672
01:01:12,969 --> 01:01:14,070
AND HOSPITALITY, WHICH IS, UM, 

1673
01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:16,706
TRYING TO CAPTURE ECONOMIC 

1674
01:01:16,706 --> 01:01:18,708
ACTIVITY, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN, 

1675
01:01:18,708 --> 01:01:21,577
UM, IS WEAKER IN 2026, 

1676
01:01:21,577 --> 01:01:24,914
PRESUMABLY IN PART, AT LEAST IN 

1677
01:01:24,914 --> 01:01:27,216
PART BECAUSE OF HIGHER INFLATION

1678
01:01:27,216 --> 01:01:29,318
EXPECTATIONS. BUT THAT OUTLOOK 

1679
01:01:29,318 --> 01:01:30,486
DOES BOUNCE BACK IN 27 TO 28. SO

1680
01:01:30,486 --> 01:01:34,023
ON NET UM, THERE'S A $1.5 

1681
01:01:34,023 --> 01:01:35,358
MILLION GAIN OVER THE THREE 

1682
01:01:35,358 --> 01:01:37,527
YEARS 

1683
01:01:37,527 --> 01:01:39,595
-- AND THEN THE FINAL ROW OF 

1684
01:01:39,595 --> 01:01:41,664
THIS TABLE IS LABELED AUTOMATIC 

1685
01:01:41,664 --> 01:01:44,367
TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERAS. THIS, 

1686
01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:45,635
UH, IS A ROW THAT ALIGNS TO THE,

1687
01:01:45,635 --> 01:01:49,338
TO THE A T C FUND. AND IT IS 

1688
01:01:49,338 --> 01:01:52,175
COMPOSED OF ESSENTIALLY FIVE 

1689
01:01:52,175 --> 01:01:54,544
DIFFERENT TRAFFIC CAMERA TYPES. 

1690
01:01:54,544 --> 01:01:57,980
UM, THERE I WILL SPEAK TO EACH 

1691
01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:58,948
YEAR INDIVIDUALLY OVERALL, 

1692
01:01:58,948 --> 01:02:00,583
ACROSS THE THREE YEARS, WE HAVE 

1693
01:02:00,583 --> 01:02:01,584
A FORECAST, AN INCREASE TO THE 

1694
01:02:01,584 --> 01:02:04,320
FORECAST OF $21.1 MILLION. THAT 

1695
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,089
SEEMS LARGE. I'LL EXPLAIN THE 

1696
01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:08,925
LOGIC THERE. UH, IN 2026 THAT 

1697
01:02:08,925 --> 01:02:11,160
THE DROP OF $3.3 MILLION IN THE 

1698
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,298
FORECAST IS RELATED TO THE NEW 

1699
01:02:15,298 --> 01:02:16,999
CROP OF SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS THAT

1700
01:02:16,999 --> 01:02:18,201
ARE BEING INSTALLED THAT BEGAN 

1701
01:02:18,201 --> 01:02:22,905
TO BE INSTALLED IN LATE 25 AND 

1702
01:02:22,905 --> 01:02:23,506
ARE STILL BEING INSTALLED NOW 

1703
01:02:23,506 --> 01:02:24,941
INTO 2026. THE EARLY RETURNS 

1704
01:02:24,941 --> 01:02:26,309
FROM THAT NEW CROP OF CAMERAS, 

1705
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:27,343
WHICH ESSENTIALLY DOUBLED THE 

1706
01:02:27,343 --> 01:02:29,445
SIZE OF THIS CAMERA PROGRAM, 

1707
01:02:29,445 --> 01:02:30,947
WENT, UH, ESSENTIALLY A NEW 37 

1708
01:02:30,947 --> 01:02:33,516
CAMERAS WENT IN TO COMPLEMENT 

1709
01:02:33,516 --> 01:02:35,184
THE THE PREVIOUS STOCK OF 37. SO

1710
01:02:35,184 --> 01:02:38,154
AN EXACT DOUBLING, UM, AND THE 

1711
01:02:38,154 --> 01:02:40,289
NEW CAMERAS, THE, THE CITATION 

1712
01:02:40,289 --> 01:02:42,592
VOLUMES ARE UNDERPERFORMING 

1713
01:02:42,592 --> 01:02:45,361
EXPECTATIONS SOMEWHAT. WE HAD 

1714
01:02:45,361 --> 01:02:45,928
ANTICIPATED THEM PERFORMING 

1715
01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:46,562
ABOUT AT THE AVERAGE OF THE OLD 

1716
01:02:46,562 --> 01:02:47,930
STOCK. AND THEY ARE 

1717
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:49,499
UNDERPERFORMING THAT. SO SOME OF

1718
01:02:49,499 --> 01:02:52,602
THIS IS UM FORECASTING FORWARD 

1719
01:02:52,602 --> 01:02:54,270
THAT LOWER REVENUE OR LOWER 

1720
01:02:54,270 --> 01:02:56,672
CITATION VOLUMES. UM THE 

1721
01:02:56,672 --> 01:02:58,307
INSTALLATION SCHEDULE HAS ALSO 

1722
01:02:58,307 --> 01:02:58,841
BEEN PUSHED BACK A LITTLE 

1723
01:02:58,841 --> 01:03:01,144
FURTHER INTO 26 RELATIVE TO WHAT

1724
01:03:01,144 --> 01:03:03,246
WE'D ANTICIPATED IN, IN THE 

1725
01:03:03,246 --> 01:03:04,981
APRIL FORECAST. AND THAT ALSO 

1726
01:03:04,981 --> 01:03:06,549
LEADS TO A DOWNWARD REVISION IN 

1727
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:11,220
THE 26 OUTLOOK. UM, FOR 2027 AND

1728
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:13,055
2028, THE LARGE BUMPS WE SEE 

1729
01:03:13,055 --> 01:03:16,459
HERE, UH, ARE DUE TO NEW CAMERAS

1730
01:03:16,459 --> 01:03:19,128
COMING ON THAT ARE ANTICIPATED 

1731
01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:20,830
FOR ACTIVATION IN THE MIDDLE OF 

1732
01:03:20,830 --> 01:03:23,232
2027. THESE CAMERAS WOULD BE 24 

1733
01:03:23,232 --> 01:03:25,868
HOUR SPEED CAMERAS. UH, AND SO 

1734
01:03:25,868 --> 01:03:27,069
THAT IS A NEW CAMERA TYPE FOR 

1735
01:03:27,069 --> 01:03:29,872
THE CITY. UM, SO, UH, THE 

1736
01:03:29,872 --> 01:03:32,074
FORECASTING IS ADMITTEDLY 

1737
01:03:32,074 --> 01:03:33,743
CHALLENGING, BUT WE BELIEVE 

1738
01:03:33,743 --> 01:03:37,146
THAT, UM, THOSE WILL, UM, DRIVE 

1739
01:03:37,146 --> 01:03:38,881
ABOUT $9 MILLION IN REVENUE IN 

1740
01:03:38,881 --> 01:03:42,418
2027. UH, AND THEN SO THE, 

1741
01:03:42,418 --> 01:03:43,653
THAT'S 2027 IS ABOUT HALF A 

1742
01:03:43,653 --> 01:03:44,687
YEAR OF THESE NEW SPEED CAMERAS.

1743
01:03:44,687 --> 01:03:46,389
28 IS A FULL YEAR OF THOSE SPEED

1744
01:03:46,389 --> 01:03:48,324
CAMERAS. AND THAT'S WHAT'S 

1745
01:03:48,324 --> 01:03:48,958
DRIVING THESE REVISIONS UPWARD 

1746
01:03:48,958 --> 01:03:51,027
IN THOSE YEARS. 

1747
01:03:51,027 --> 01:03:54,197
-- ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THERE'S 

1748
01:03:54,197 --> 01:03:55,331
THAT ROW ALMOST ALL THE WAY AT 

1749
01:03:55,331 --> 01:03:58,434
THE BOTTOM, ESSENTIALLY ADDING 

1750
01:03:58,434 --> 01:03:59,569
UP ALL THE REVENUES FROM THE 

1751
01:03:59,569 --> 01:04:01,170
GENERAL FUND, PLUS ALL THE NON 

1752
01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:03,172
GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND 

1753
01:04:03,172 --> 01:04:06,242
SHOWING THE CHANGE, OVERALL 

1754
01:04:06,242 --> 01:04:08,711
CHANGE IN THE FORECAST BETWEEN 

1755
01:04:08,711 --> 01:04:11,047
APRIL AND AUGUST, THE THREE YEAR

1756
01:04:11,047 --> 01:04:12,381
DIFFERENCE IS 116 MILLION. 

1757
01:04:12,381 --> 01:04:14,350
AGAIN, QUITE A LOT OF MONEY. BUT

1758
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:17,620
RELATIVE TO THE OVERALL SIZE UH 

1759
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:22,325
IT'S LESS THAN 1.5%. SO NOT NOT

1760
01:04:22,325 --> 01:04:24,594
PARTICULARLY BIG REVISION HERE. 

1761
01:04:24,594 --> 01:04:28,231
UM, AGAIN, THE MAIN, UH, CHANGE,

1762
01:04:28,231 --> 01:04:29,832
THE BIGGEST JUMP HERE IS IN 

1763
01:04:29,832 --> 01:04:32,435
2026, WHERE THE YEAR OVER YEAR 

1764
01:04:32,435 --> 01:04:36,639
GROWTH IS 7.3%. IT DROPS TO 2.2 

1765
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:38,941
IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND 4.1 

1766
01:04:38,941 --> 01:04:42,011
THE ONE AFTER 

1767
01:04:42,011 --> 01:04:43,479
-- UH, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, IF 

1768
01:04:43,479 --> 01:04:44,313
YOU COULD, UH, COLLEAGUES, DO 

1769
01:04:44,313 --> 01:04:49,051
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE

1770
01:04:49,051 --> 01:04:50,553
I HAVE A FEW. SO I'LL JUST AS WE

1771
01:04:50,553 --> 01:04:52,955
WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT MORE 

1772
01:04:52,955 --> 01:04:54,690
ABOUT MUDDLING THROUGH WHAT I'M

1773
01:04:54,690 --> 01:04:56,525
GOING TO CALL A STAGNANT ECONOMY

1774
01:04:56,525 --> 01:04:58,461
HERE IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE OVER

1775
01:04:58,461 --> 01:05:00,463
THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, WE'VE BEEN

1776
01:05:00,463 --> 01:05:01,130
HAVING THIS CONVERSATION OF, ARE

1777
01:05:01,130 --> 01:05:04,433
WE GROWING? ARE WE RECEDING? ARE

1778
01:05:04,433 --> 01:05:06,535
WE STAGNANT? I KNOW THAT 

1779
01:05:06,535 --> 01:05:07,670
RECESSIONS ARE A TECHNICAL TERM 

1780
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:08,971
THAT ARE LARGER THAN ANY ONE 

1781
01:05:08,971 --> 01:05:10,640
CITY, WHICH IS WHY WE SAW IN THE

1782
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,809
1980s, ABERDEEN HAD A LOCAL 

1783
01:05:13,809 --> 01:05:14,410
RECESSION WITHIN THEIR 

1784
01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:15,745
COMMUNITY, WHILE THE REST OF THE

1785
01:05:15,745 --> 01:05:16,712
STATE AND THE REST OF THE NATION

1786
01:05:16,712 --> 01:05:19,415
DID VERY WELL ECONOMICALLY. AS 

1787
01:05:19,415 --> 01:05:22,585
ONE OF MY TELLTALES. AND THANK 

1788
01:05:22,585 --> 01:05:23,352
YOU, DWIGHT, FOR TALKING TO ME 

1789
01:05:23,352 --> 01:05:25,554
ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, ABOUT OUR 

1790
01:05:25,554 --> 01:05:28,057
REIT FUNDING RATE IS ALWAYS A 

1791
01:05:28,057 --> 01:05:31,661
TELLTALE OF HOW IS OUR ECONOMY 

1792
01:05:31,661 --> 01:05:36,232
GOING. AND SO I'M SEEING IN OUR

1793
01:05:36,232 --> 01:05:36,666
PAST YEARS IN THESE 

1794
01:05:36,666 --> 01:05:38,834
CONVERSATIONS, A SITTING, 

1795
01:05:38,834 --> 01:05:40,803
STAGNANT LAST REVENUE FORECAST, 

1796
01:05:40,803 --> 01:05:41,404
REACH STARTED DIPPING FOR THE 

1797
01:05:41,404 --> 01:05:45,608
FIRST TIME SINCE 2020. AND NOW 

1798
01:05:45,608 --> 01:05:46,409
WE'RE SEEING THE JOBS LEAVING 

1799
01:05:46,409 --> 01:05:49,045
THE CITY. AND OUR REACH SLOWING.

1800
01:05:49,045 --> 01:05:51,414
THE ONLY SALES TAX THAT WE'RE 

1801
01:05:51,414 --> 01:05:53,983
GAINING IS FROM LAW CHANGES, NOT

1802
01:05:53,983 --> 01:05:54,917
ACTIVITY. IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE 

1803
01:05:54,917 --> 01:05:57,086
SEEING, OR SHOULD WE BE MORE 

1804
01:05:57,086 --> 01:05:59,322
CONCERNED ABOUT A LOCALIZED. I 

1805
01:05:59,322 --> 01:06:01,123
DON'T THINK WE'RE ALLOWED TO 

1806
01:06:01,123 --> 01:06:03,759
TECHNICALLY CALL IT A RECESSION,

1807
01:06:03,759 --> 01:06:04,360
BUT A LOCALIZED STAGNATION IN 

1808
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,829
OUR ECONOMY, MORE SO TODAY THAN 

1809
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:09,498
WE HAVE IN THE PAST 

1810
01:06:09,498 --> 01:06:11,233
-- UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE 

1811
01:06:11,233 --> 01:06:13,336
REVISIONS TO THE RATE, LET ME 

1812
01:06:13,336 --> 01:06:14,804
ADDRESS THAT. AND THERE WAS 

1813
01:06:14,804 --> 01:06:16,672
ESSENTIALLY A ROW OF DOWNWARD 

1814
01:06:16,672 --> 01:06:18,941
REVISIONS IN RATE. UH, LOOKING 

1815
01:06:18,941 --> 01:06:22,445
BACK AT LAST YEAR, ESSENTIALLY 

1816
01:06:22,445 --> 01:06:24,113
IT'S UH, EVERY FORECAST HAS 

1817
01:06:24,113 --> 01:06:26,082
BEEN DOWNWARD REVISION. UM, NOT 

1818
01:06:26,082 --> 01:06:28,985
JUST IN SEATTLE, SIMILAR SORT OF

1819
01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:30,886
THINGS HAVE, UM, OCCURRED AT 

1820
01:06:30,886 --> 01:06:31,821
KING COUNTY LEVEL. THE RATE 

1821
01:06:31,821 --> 01:06:33,556
FORECASTS HAVE, HAVE BEEN 

1822
01:06:33,556 --> 01:06:35,958
ESSENTIALLY REVISED DOWN, UM, 

1823
01:06:35,958 --> 01:06:38,294
STARTING FROM, FROM APRIL 2025. 

1824
01:06:38,294 --> 01:06:40,229
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE CHANGES

1825
01:06:40,229 --> 01:06:42,732
THAT INCREASED THE UNCERTAINTY 

1826
01:06:42,732 --> 01:06:44,800
COUPLED WITH THE CHANGES IN THE 

1827
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,303
TECH SECTOR AND THE LOCAL 

1828
01:06:47,303 --> 01:06:52,508
ECONOMY. UM, IS NOT IN A 

1829
01:06:52,508 --> 01:06:54,310
PARTICULARLY STRONG PLACE THERE 

1830
01:06:54,310 --> 01:06:56,479
RECESSION IS AGAIN, TECHNICAL 

1831
01:06:56,479 --> 01:06:58,381
TERMS, AS YOU SAID, WE WOULD 

1832
01:06:58,381 --> 01:07:02,318
REQUIRE, UM, A BROAD SET OF 

1833
01:07:02,318 --> 01:07:02,952
INDICATORS, NOT JUST EMPLOYMENT,

1834
01:07:02,952 --> 01:07:06,589
BUT ALSO LOOKING AT INCOMES, 

1835
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:09,558
LOOKING AT WAGE GROWTH, AND THEN

1836
01:07:09,558 --> 01:07:11,827
OBSERVING THOSE, UH, CLOSELY, 

1837
01:07:11,827 --> 01:07:14,463
HOW MUCH OF A DECLINE THERE IS 

1838
01:07:14,463 --> 01:07:16,399
IN INDIVIDUAL ONES, HOW BROAD 

1839
01:07:16,399 --> 01:07:17,533
BASED THOSE DECLINES ARE WHEN IT

1840
01:07:17,533 --> 01:07:20,536
COMES TO EMPLOYMENT, HOW LONG 

1841
01:07:20,536 --> 01:07:22,104
THEY ARE LASTING. AND SO THE 

1842
01:07:22,104 --> 01:07:24,774
YEAR OVER YEAR CHANGE IN THE AT 

1843
01:07:24,774 --> 01:07:26,442
THE REGIONAL LEVEL FOR 

1844
01:07:26,442 --> 01:07:27,943
EMPLOYMENT IS RELATIVELY SMALL. 

1845
01:07:27,943 --> 01:07:29,445
IT'S LESS THAN A HALF PERCENT. 

1846
01:07:29,445 --> 01:07:30,813
BUT THE CONCERNING THING IS 

1847
01:07:30,813 --> 01:07:32,515
DEFINITELY THAT, UH, RECENT 

1848
01:07:32,515 --> 01:07:34,150
RELEASE BY PUGET SOUND REGIONAL 

1849
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:37,420
COUNCIL, WHICH IS DATED FOR 

1850
01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:38,487
MARCH 2025. BUT THERE ARE 

1851
01:07:38,487 --> 01:07:39,688
REASONS TO BELIEVE THAT THE TECH

1852
01:07:39,688 --> 01:07:41,123
SECTOR, WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL 

1853
01:07:41,123 --> 01:07:42,792
LAYOFFS THAT HAVE BEEN 

1854
01:07:42,792 --> 01:07:44,427
ANNOUNCED, THAT SECTOR IS GOING 

1855
01:07:44,427 --> 01:07:46,462
TO HAVE A TOUGH TIMES IN IN THE 

1856
01:07:46,462 --> 01:07:47,630
COMING YEARS. AND SO THAT'S 

1857
01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:50,132
DRAGGING THE LOCAL ECONOMY. 

1858
01:07:50,132 --> 01:07:52,268
-- SO WE'LL STAY TUNED, WE'LL 

1859
01:07:52,268 --> 01:07:54,270
STAY ATTENTIVE, AND WE WANT TO 

1860
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:54,904
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AHEAD OF 

1861
01:07:54,904 --> 01:07:55,604
ANY. AND THIS IS THE IMPORTANCE 

1862
01:07:55,604 --> 01:07:58,274
OF. LAST YEAR, WE ADDED MORE 

1863
01:07:58,274 --> 01:07:59,975
FUNDS TO OUR RESERVE ACCOUNTS. 

1864
01:07:59,975 --> 01:08:01,677
WE ADDED, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE 

1865
01:08:01,677 --> 01:08:03,546
FUNDS TO HOLDING BACK FOR 

1866
01:08:03,546 --> 01:08:04,513
CONTINUUM OF CARE PROBLEMS THAT 

1867
01:08:04,513 --> 01:08:06,549
WE MIGHT SEE. WE HELD FUNDS BACK

1868
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:09,318
FOR FEDERAL RESPONSE. LAST 

1869
01:08:09,318 --> 01:08:11,787
YEAR'S BUDGET WAS IN FACT, MORE

1870
01:08:11,787 --> 01:08:12,822
PRUDENT THAN IN PAST YEARS IN 

1871
01:08:12,822 --> 01:08:14,490
THE SENSE THAT WE WERE HOLDING 

1872
01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:16,192
MONEY BACK IN A WAY THAT WE 

1873
01:08:16,192 --> 01:08:17,393
HADN'T BEFORE. AND PART OF THAT

1874
01:08:17,393 --> 01:08:18,360
WAS THE WORK THAT YOU PRESENT TO

1875
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,830
US, DIRECTOR. SO I APPRECIATE 

1876
01:08:20,830 --> 01:08:22,198
THAT. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I 

1877
01:08:22,198 --> 01:08:25,067
HAVE AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS 

1878
01:08:25,067 --> 01:08:25,701
YOU'RE NOTING THAT EMPLOYMENT 

1879
01:08:25,701 --> 01:08:29,505
FIGURES ARE DOWN, BUT JUMP START

1880
01:08:29,505 --> 01:08:29,738
IS UP. 

1881
01:08:29,738 --> 01:08:31,307
-- MHM. 

1882
01:08:31,307 --> 01:08:31,941
-- HOW'D THAT HAPPEN? 

1883
01:08:31,941 --> 01:08:34,643
-- YEAH. SO I'LL THAT'S WHAT 

1884
01:08:34,643 --> 01:08:35,377
THIS SLIDE. 

1885
01:08:35,377 --> 01:08:36,178
-- IF YOU'VE GOT SLIDES THERE, 

1886
01:08:36,178 --> 01:08:38,247
LET ME LET ME JUST ASK LAST 

1887
01:08:38,247 --> 01:08:40,416
QUESTION FOR JOE. WE'VE RETIRED

1888
01:08:40,416 --> 01:08:43,085
PARKING METERS. BUT NOW BEGUN 

1889
01:08:43,085 --> 01:08:45,788
OUR AUTOMATIC TRAFFIC SAFETY 

1890
01:08:45,788 --> 01:08:47,756
CAMERAS. SO WITH ONE WITH ONE 

1891
01:08:47,756 --> 01:08:50,793
BEING COMPLETE, LET'S START A 

1892
01:08:50,793 --> 01:08:52,528
NEW JOURNEY. I APPRECIATE, UH, 

1893
01:08:52,528 --> 01:08:53,896
YOUR ANALYSIS HERE BECAUSE IT 

1894
01:08:53,896 --> 01:08:55,931
TRACKS WITH WHAT I'VE 

1895
01:08:55,931 --> 01:08:56,532
EXPERIENCED WITH THE SEATTLE 

1896
01:08:56,532 --> 01:08:58,100
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, 

1897
01:08:58,100 --> 01:08:59,969
WHERE IT WAS, I BELIEVE TWO 

1898
01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:03,172
YEARS AGO THAT WE STARTED 

1899
01:09:03,172 --> 01:09:04,874
FUNDING NOT ONLY SCHOOL ZONE 

1900
01:09:04,874 --> 01:09:05,508
CAMERAS, BUT ALSO THE ABILITY TO

1901
01:09:05,508 --> 01:09:10,045
DO SPEED CAMERAS. IT HAS BEEN, 

1902
01:09:10,045 --> 01:09:11,213
UM, THE MOST POLITE WAY I CAN 

1903
01:09:11,213 --> 01:09:13,916
PUT IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THEM 

1904
01:09:13,916 --> 01:09:15,784
TO DEPLOY THESE CAMERAS. THERE 

1905
01:09:15,784 --> 01:09:17,653
ARE A NUMBER OF PLACES, AT LEAST

1906
01:09:17,653 --> 01:09:19,955
IN MY DISTRICT, WHERE RESIDENTS 

1907
01:09:19,955 --> 01:09:21,657
HAVE HAD CARS HITTING BUILDINGS 

1908
01:09:21,657 --> 01:09:25,761
BECAUSE OF THEIR EXCESSIVE 

1909
01:09:25,761 --> 01:09:26,562
SPEED. UM, WE HAVE, I MEAN, 

1910
01:09:26,562 --> 01:09:28,163
IT'S JUST IT IS A DANGEROUS 

1911
01:09:28,163 --> 01:09:29,865
SITUATION OUT THERE. OFTENTIMES,

1912
01:09:29,865 --> 01:09:31,767
SDOT RESPONSE IS SPEED HUMPS. 

1913
01:09:31,767 --> 01:09:36,906
UM, BUT WHAT WE FIND IS THAT A 

1914
01:09:36,906 --> 01:09:39,341
AUTOMATIC TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMERA,

1915
01:09:39,341 --> 01:09:41,410
NINE OUT OF TEN PEOPLE NEVER GET

1916
01:09:41,410 --> 01:09:43,512
A SECOND TICKET. AND SO IT IS A 

1917
01:09:43,512 --> 01:09:47,182
MORE EFFECTIVE TOOL TO REDUCE 

1918
01:09:47,182 --> 01:09:48,684
SPEEDING THAN SPEED HUMPS. 

1919
01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:51,687
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A BIG TRUCK,

1920
01:09:51,687 --> 01:09:53,522
YOU CAN JUST DRIVE FAST. BUT 

1921
01:09:53,522 --> 01:09:57,159
THAT CAMERA IS NEVER GOING TO 

1922
01:09:57,159 --> 01:09:58,260
YOU CAN'T DRIVE, CAN'T ELUDE 

1923
01:09:58,260 --> 01:09:59,562
THAT CAMERA. SO I JUST I'M 

1924
01:09:59,562 --> 01:10:00,696
NOTING THIS. I DON'T NEED A 

1925
01:10:00,696 --> 01:10:04,867
RESPONSE FROM YOU TODAY, BUT IT 

1926
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:05,501
ALIGNS WITH THE POLICY PROBLEMS 

1927
01:10:05,501 --> 01:10:07,136
THAT I'VE BEEN SEEING WITHIN THE

1928
01:10:07,136 --> 01:10:10,072
DEPARTMENT OF GETTING THESE 

1929
01:10:10,072 --> 01:10:10,706
CAMERAS DEPLOYED ON THE SCHEDULE

1930
01:10:10,706 --> 01:10:11,807
IN WHICH WE ASKED THEM TO. AND 

1931
01:10:11,807 --> 01:10:15,010
SO I JUST APPRECIATE THE FACT 

1932
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:16,946
THAT YOU ARE PROVIDING US AN 

1933
01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:18,981
ACCURATE ANALYSIS OF WHAT THOSE 

1934
01:10:18,981 --> 01:10:21,750
POLICY CHOICES HAVE HAD AN 

1935
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:23,252
IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET. THANK YOU.

1936
01:10:23,252 --> 01:10:24,453
SO NOW WE'LL JUST START TALKING

1937
01:10:24,453 --> 01:10:26,555
ABOUT THIS EVERY TIME WE MEET. 

1938
01:10:26,555 --> 01:10:27,856
-- YEAH, YEAH. TO BE CLEAR TO 

1939
01:10:27,856 --> 01:10:29,425
THE PUBLIC PARKING METERS STILL 

1940
01:10:29,425 --> 01:10:32,795
EXIST. UH, YES. YES. A NEW 

1941
01:10:32,795 --> 01:10:33,395
CHALLENGE IN FORECASTING FOR 

1942
01:10:33,395 --> 01:10:35,030
SURE. 

1943
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:35,631
-- THANK YOU COLLEAGUES. ANY 

1944
01:10:35,631 --> 01:10:36,899
OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE, 

1945
01:10:36,899 --> 01:10:38,267
DIRECTOR DORIS, DO YOU WANT TO 

1946
01:10:38,267 --> 01:10:40,102
COME BACK TO TELLING US HOW JOBS

1947
01:10:40,102 --> 01:10:42,738
ARE DOWN. BUT JUMP STARTS UP. 

1948
01:10:42,738 --> 01:10:43,205
HOW'D THAT HAPPEN? 

1949
01:10:43,205 --> 01:10:46,342
-- YEAH. UM, SO SOME OF THOSE 

1950
01:10:46,342 --> 01:10:46,976
LAYOFFS WERE ALREADY ANNOUNCED 

1951
01:10:46,976 --> 01:10:48,277
BEFORE THE APRIL FORECAST WAS 

1952
01:10:48,277 --> 01:10:50,379
PREPARED AND THEY WERE BUILT 

1953
01:10:50,379 --> 01:10:52,948
INTO THE APRIL FORECAST. UM, 

1954
01:10:52,948 --> 01:10:54,183
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL 

1955
01:10:54,183 --> 01:10:56,552
LAYOFF ANNOUNCEMENTS SINCE THEN,

1956
01:10:56,552 --> 01:10:58,454
BUT THE BRUNT WAS ALREADY BAKED 

1957
01:10:58,454 --> 01:11:04,159
IN IN APRIL. THE MAIN DRIVER FOR

1958
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:04,793
THE REVISION HERE IS THE CHANGE 

1959
01:11:04,793 --> 01:11:08,230
IN THE OUTLOOK FOR STOCK PRICES.

1960
01:11:08,230 --> 01:11:09,598
AGAIN, WE HAVE REASONS TO 

1961
01:11:09,598 --> 01:11:11,900
BELIEVE BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS OF

1962
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:15,938
PAST COLLECTION DATA. UM THAT 

1963
01:11:15,938 --> 01:11:17,573
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR 

1964
01:11:17,573 --> 01:11:20,042
HERE. THE CHART HERE SHOWS UH, 

1965
01:11:20,042 --> 01:11:21,777
FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES A SET 

1966
01:11:21,777 --> 01:11:24,279
SET OF COMPANIES, NOT 

1967
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:26,582
NECESSARILY OPERATING IN 

1968
01:11:26,582 --> 01:11:27,816
SEATTLE, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE IN

1969
01:11:27,816 --> 01:11:31,553
THE BROADER REGION. SOME OF THEM

1970
01:11:31,553 --> 01:11:32,688
ARE JUST MAJOR COMPANIES IN THE 

1971
01:11:32,688 --> 01:11:34,223
TECH SECTOR. AND AGAIN, IT'S A 

1972
01:11:34,223 --> 01:11:36,892
TECH SECTOR, AN AI BUILD OUT 

1973
01:11:36,892 --> 01:11:38,394
THAT'S DRIVING A LOT OF THAT 

1974
01:11:38,394 --> 01:11:41,530
GROWTH THAT WE ARE SEEING IN IN 

1975
01:11:41,530 --> 01:11:45,834
STOCK MARKET. UM, SO THE CHART 

1976
01:11:45,834 --> 01:11:47,102
SHOWS THE ANTICIPATED YEAR OVER 

1977
01:11:47,102 --> 01:11:49,571
YEAR CHANGE IN THE STOCK PRICE 

1978
01:11:49,571 --> 01:11:53,709
OF, OF THOSE OF STOCK PRICE OF 

1979
01:11:53,709 --> 01:11:55,778
THOSE INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES. THE 

1980
01:11:55,778 --> 01:11:58,714
GRAY DOTS, UM, ARE THE ESTIMATE 

1981
01:11:58,714 --> 01:12:02,584
BACK IN, IN APRIL, THE BLUE DOTS

1982
01:12:02,584 --> 01:12:04,386
ARE THE CURRENT ESTIMATES AND 

1983
01:12:04,386 --> 01:12:07,690
THEY ARE COMING FROM WALL STREET

1984
01:12:07,690 --> 01:12:11,193
ANALYSTS. WE'RE COMPILING THEM 

1985
01:12:11,193 --> 01:12:15,230
ON AND USING THEM AS AN INPUT IN

1986
01:12:15,230 --> 01:12:17,466
THE FORECAST. UM, AND IF YOU 

1987
01:12:17,466 --> 01:12:19,501
COMPARE WHERE THOSE GRAY DOTS 

1988
01:12:19,501 --> 01:12:20,602
ARE AND WHERE THE BLUE DOTS ARE 

1989
01:12:20,602 --> 01:12:24,139
IN GENERAL, THE OUTLOOK IS MORE 

1990
01:12:24,139 --> 01:12:25,941
POSITIVE. THOSE BLUE DOTS ARE TO

1991
01:12:25,941 --> 01:12:28,210
THE RIGHT IN GENERAL FROM FROM 

1992
01:12:28,210 --> 01:12:29,712
THE GRAY DOTS. SO AS A FIRST 

1993
01:12:29,712 --> 01:12:32,915
CHART SHOW, THE FINANCIAL 

1994
01:12:32,915 --> 01:12:36,485
MARKET, UH, HAS ESSENTIALLY 

1995
01:12:36,485 --> 01:12:39,154
RECOVERED SINCE SINCE APRIL. 

1996
01:12:39,154 --> 01:12:41,156
AFTER THAT INITIAL DOWNWARD, UH,

1997
01:12:41,156 --> 01:12:42,658
UM, AND AFTER THAT INITIAL DROP 

1998
01:12:42,658 --> 01:12:45,928
IN STOCK PRICES AND THE INITIAL 

1999
01:12:45,928 --> 01:12:48,363
MORE NEGATIVE OUTLOOK DUE TO THE

2000
01:12:48,363 --> 01:12:50,999
IRAQ WAR, THERE IS STILL A 

2001
01:12:50,999 --> 01:12:52,468
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF 

2002
01:12:52,468 --> 01:12:54,269
UNCERTAINTY. SO THAT THE SECOND 

2003
01:12:54,269 --> 01:12:56,138
THING THIS CHART SHOWS THE LINE 

2004
01:12:56,138 --> 01:12:57,840
FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT. THEY

2005
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,576
SPREAD FROM THE LOW TO THE HIGH 

2006
01:13:00,576 --> 01:13:02,177
ESTIMATE FOR THE STOCK PRICE 

2007
01:13:02,177 --> 01:13:05,114
CHANGE. IN THAT SURVEY OF OF 

2008
01:13:05,114 --> 01:13:07,983
THOSE ANALYSTS, UM, NOW AGAIN WE

2009
01:13:07,983 --> 01:13:10,452
ARE USING THAT AS, AS A MAIN ONE

2010
01:13:10,452 --> 01:13:12,554
OF THE MAIN INPUTS INTO THE 

2011
01:13:12,554 --> 01:13:14,790
FORECAST. IN ADDITION TO THE 

2012
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:16,725
CHANGES IN THE EMPLOYMENT. SO 

2013
01:13:16,725 --> 01:13:18,494
THOSE ARE TWO MAIN COMPONENTS 

2014
01:13:18,494 --> 01:13:22,731
NOW. BUT AGAIN, THE CHANGES IN 

2015
01:13:22,731 --> 01:13:23,432
THE LAYOFF ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE 

2016
01:13:23,432 --> 01:13:25,801
RELATIVELY SMALL. THEY ARE 

2017
01:13:25,801 --> 01:13:27,770
EXPECTED. THEY WERE ALREADY 

2018
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:28,871
EXPECTED IN THE APRIL FORECAST. 

2019
01:13:28,871 --> 01:13:29,905
UH, THE FINAL THING THAT WE 

2020
01:13:29,905 --> 01:13:33,275
COULD, UH, USE, BUT IT'S LESS 

2021
01:13:33,275 --> 01:13:34,977
INFORMATIVE ARE THE YEAR TO DATE

2022
01:13:34,977 --> 01:13:35,577
COLLECTION IN PAYROLL EXPENSE 

2023
01:13:35,577 --> 01:13:38,547
TAX REVENUES. GIVEN THE WAY HOW 

2024
01:13:38,547 --> 01:13:41,784
THIS TAX IS IMPOSED, IT'S BASED

2025
01:13:41,784 --> 01:13:44,052
ON ANNUAL COMPENSATIONS, ANNUAL 

2026
01:13:44,052 --> 01:13:46,789
PAYROLLS. UM, THOSE QUARTERLY 

2027
01:13:46,789 --> 01:13:48,624
PAYMENTS ARE ONLY ESTIMATES AND 

2028
01:13:48,624 --> 01:13:50,692
IN GENERAL TEND TO BE 25% OF THE

2029
01:13:50,692 --> 01:13:52,728
PREVIOUS YEAR'S TOTAL 

2030
01:13:52,728 --> 01:13:54,496
OBLIGATION. SO THEY DON'T REALLY

2031
01:13:54,496 --> 01:13:57,900
PROVIDE MUCH OF AN INSIGHT. UH, 

2032
01:13:57,900 --> 01:13:59,101
COMPANIES IN, IN GENERAL FOLLOW 

2033
01:13:59,101 --> 01:14:00,569
THAT RULE UNLESS THEY HAVE 

2034
01:14:00,569 --> 01:14:01,670
STRONG REASONS TO BELIEVE THAT 

2035
01:14:01,670 --> 01:14:03,572
THAT WOULD LEAD THEM TO OVERPAY.

2036
01:14:03,572 --> 01:14:04,706
AND THEN THEY, THEY WOULD PAY 

2037
01:14:04,706 --> 01:14:08,010
LESS FOR, FOR PARTICULAR, UM, 

2038
01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:12,247
FOR PARTICULAR QUARTER. UM, SO 

2039
01:14:12,247 --> 01:14:14,483
YEAH, THERE ARE THESE TWO 

2040
01:14:14,483 --> 01:14:16,785
EFFECTS LAYOFFS IN TECH SECTOR 

2041
01:14:16,785 --> 01:14:19,254
OVERALL. UM, UM, MORE NEGATIVE 

2042
01:14:19,254 --> 01:14:21,957
OUTLOOK FOR, FOR EMPLOYMENT, BUT

2043
01:14:21,957 --> 01:14:24,760
A BETTER OUTLOOK FOR 

2044
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,162
COMPENSATION PER EMPLOYEE 

2045
01:14:27,162 --> 01:14:27,696
AVERAGE COMPENSATION PER 

2046
01:14:27,696 --> 01:14:28,764
EMPLOYEE BASED ON, UH, THE 

2047
01:14:28,764 --> 01:14:30,399
RESTRICTED STOCK UNITS AND THEIR

2048
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:34,203
IMPACT ON, ON WAGES. SO, UM, 

2049
01:14:34,203 --> 01:14:38,073
THAT'S ALSO DRIVING THE CHANGES

2050
01:14:38,073 --> 01:14:42,311
IN 2027, EVEN MORE GROWTH IS 

2051
01:14:42,311 --> 01:14:44,947
EXPECTED IN, IN THE STOCK 

2052
01:14:44,947 --> 01:14:48,250
PRICES. UH, THE RED DOTS NOW ARE

2053
01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:51,954
SHOWING THE AVERAGE, UH, FOR THE

2054
01:14:51,954 --> 01:14:53,789
STOCK PRICE CHANGE FOR THOSE 

2055
01:14:53,789 --> 01:14:55,591
COMPANIES. AND THE LINE AGAIN, 

2056
01:14:55,591 --> 01:14:57,526
SPREADS FROM THE LOW ESTIMATE TO

2057
01:14:57,526 --> 01:14:58,293
THE HIGH ESTIMATE. AND YOU CAN 

2058
01:14:58,293 --> 01:15:00,796
SEE THAT THE AMOUNT OF 

2059
01:15:00,796 --> 01:15:03,165
UNCERTAINTY IS REALLY JUST VAST.

2060
01:15:03,165 --> 01:15:05,834
UH, SO THAT MEANS THAT 

2061
01:15:05,834 --> 01:15:08,403
INHERENTLY THAT, UH, THAT 

2062
01:15:08,403 --> 01:15:09,972
REVENUE STREAM, UH, IS QUITE 

2063
01:15:09,972 --> 01:15:14,209
HARD TO, TO PREDICT. UH, WE HAVE

2064
01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:16,478
SEEN YEARS WHERE IT HAS 

2065
01:15:16,478 --> 01:15:17,613
OVERPERFORMED OUR EXPECTATIONS. 

2066
01:15:17,613 --> 01:15:21,083
WE HAVE SEEN A YEAR WHERE IT HAS

2067
01:15:21,083 --> 01:15:21,717
SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERPERFORMED OUR

2068
01:15:21,717 --> 01:15:25,687
EXPECTATION. UM, THAT, UH, ALSO 

2069
01:15:25,687 --> 01:15:28,156
TIES BACK TO THAT CHART SHOWING 

2070
01:15:28,156 --> 01:15:29,358
THE YEAR OVER CHANGES, YEAR OVER

2071
01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:31,193
YEAR CHANGES IN TOTAL 

2072
01:15:31,193 --> 01:15:35,664
EMPLOYMENT. UM, BACK IN 2024 OR 

2073
01:15:35,664 --> 01:15:36,732
THE PAYROLL EXPENSE TAX REVENUES

2074
01:15:36,732 --> 01:15:38,734
FOR YEAR 2024 GREW YEAR OVER 

2075
01:15:38,734 --> 01:15:41,036
YEAR, BUT CAME IN SIGNIFICANTLY 

2076
01:15:41,036 --> 01:15:46,174
BELOW OUR EXPECTATIONS AND OUR 

2077
01:15:46,174 --> 01:15:48,644
INITIAL ASSESSMENT WAS THAT THAT

2078
01:15:48,644 --> 01:15:51,813
WAS BECAUSE THE JOB GROWTH, UH, 

2079
01:15:51,813 --> 01:15:56,718
HAS OCCURRED IN KING COUNTY, BUT

2080
01:15:56,718 --> 01:15:58,987
NOT REALLY IN SEATTLE. AND 

2081
01:15:58,987 --> 01:15:59,655
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE 

2082
01:15:59,655 --> 01:16:01,023
ARE SEEING IN THIS RECENT 

2083
01:16:01,023 --> 01:16:02,858
RELEASE OF EMPLOYMENT DATA BY 

2084
01:16:02,858 --> 01:16:05,360
PUGET SOUND REGIONAL COUNCIL. SO

2085
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,864
THAT'S THE EMPLOYMENT DATA IS 

2086
01:16:08,864 --> 01:16:10,599
NOW A NEW SOURCE THAT WE ARE WE 

2087
01:16:10,599 --> 01:16:14,069
HAVE STARTED INCORPORATING INTO 

2088
01:16:14,069 --> 01:16:16,271
INTO THE FORECAST TO ACCOUNT FOR

2089
01:16:16,271 --> 01:16:19,441
THE IMPACT OF LAYOFFS AND 

2090
01:16:19,441 --> 01:16:22,477
OVERALL CHANGES IN IN EMPLOYMENT

2091
01:16:22,477 --> 01:16:25,380
AMONG THOSE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE 

2092
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:30,052
PAYING THIS TAX. UM, AGAIN, THE 

2093
01:16:30,052 --> 01:16:31,453
THERE, THERE IS INHERENTLY A LOT

2094
01:16:31,453 --> 01:16:36,458
OF UNCERTAINTY GIVEN LOTS OF 

2095
01:16:36,458 --> 01:16:37,092
LIMITATIONS REGARDING THE DATA 

2096
01:16:37,092 --> 01:16:39,795
AND THE UNDERLYING FACTORS 

2097
01:16:39,795 --> 01:16:44,566
DRIVING THAT REVENUE STREAM UM, 

2098
01:16:44,566 --> 01:16:46,268
SO UNLESS THERE IS ANY OTHER 

2099
01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,136
QUESTIONS, WE CAN MOVE TO THE 

2100
01:16:48,136 --> 01:16:50,706
PESSIMISTIC FORECAST. UH, 

2101
01:16:50,706 --> 01:16:52,074
-- SORRY JOHN. SO I GUESS THE 

2102
01:16:52,074 --> 01:16:54,176
QUESTION THERE IS WE HAVE FEWER 

2103
01:16:54,176 --> 01:16:55,744
EMPLOYEES, BUT THEY HAVE A 

2104
01:16:55,744 --> 01:16:57,713
HIGHER NET WORTH. IS THAT THE 

2105
01:16:57,713 --> 01:16:59,414
ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT. 

2106
01:16:59,414 --> 01:17:03,952
-- THE CHANGES? SO THERE IS A 

2107
01:17:03,952 --> 01:17:08,890
YEAR OVER YEAR DECLINE FOR 

2108
01:17:08,890 --> 01:17:09,524
PAYROLL EXPENSE TAX FROM 406 TO 

2109
01:17:09,524 --> 01:17:12,094
394 YEAR OVER YEAR. UM, THAT, 

2110
01:17:12,094 --> 01:17:14,496
UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE ARE 

2111
01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:15,897
LAYOFFS EXPECTED AND THEY ARE 

2112
01:17:15,897 --> 01:17:17,332
EXPECTED TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON 

2113
01:17:17,332 --> 01:17:19,768
PAYROLL EXPENSE, TAX REVENUES, 

2114
01:17:19,768 --> 01:17:21,036
THE REVISIONS, THOSE UPWARD 

2115
01:17:21,036 --> 01:17:22,571
REVISIONS HAVE TO DO WITH THE 

2116
01:17:22,571 --> 01:17:24,272
CHANGE IN THE OUTLOOK FOR, FOR 

2117
01:17:24,272 --> 01:17:27,976
STOCK PRICES, WHICH HAS IMPROVED

2118
01:17:27,976 --> 01:17:29,711
SINCE APRIL. AND SO GOING INTO 

2119
01:17:29,711 --> 01:17:30,846
THE FUTURE, AGAIN, STOCK PRICES 

2120
01:17:30,846 --> 01:17:34,750
ARE EXPECTED TO GROW. AND 

2121
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:35,417
THAT'S OFFSETTING THOSE THOSE 

2122
01:17:35,417 --> 01:17:36,818
LOSSES. 

2123
01:17:36,818 --> 01:17:37,452
-- HELPFUL CLARIFICATION NOT NET

2124
01:17:37,452 --> 01:17:39,654
WORTH BUT COMPENSATION. 

2125
01:17:39,654 --> 01:17:42,391
-- YEAH. 

2126
01:17:42,391 --> 01:17:47,462
-- THANK YOU. 

2127
01:17:47,462 --> 01:17:49,231
-- SO TURNING TO THE PESSIMISTIC

2128
01:17:49,231 --> 01:17:50,632
SCENARIO AGAIN THAT'S THE SECOND

2129
01:17:50,632 --> 01:17:52,401
OF THE THREE SCENARIOS. WE ARE 

2130
01:17:52,401 --> 01:17:54,770
DEVELOPING A BASELINE REVENUE 

2131
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:55,303
FORECAST. THE PESSIMISTIC 

2132
01:17:55,303 --> 01:17:56,738
SCENARIO AND THEN AN OPTIMISTIC 

2133
01:17:56,738 --> 01:17:58,240
SCENARIO FORECAST IN THE 

2134
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,308
INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL NOT SHOW

2135
01:18:00,308 --> 01:18:02,444
THE OPTIMISTIC SCENARIO HERE, 

2136
01:18:02,444 --> 01:18:04,446
BUT IT'S AVAILABLE. UH WE HAVE 

2137
01:18:04,446 --> 01:18:05,847
DISTRIBUTED IT AND WILL BE 

2138
01:18:05,847 --> 01:18:08,517
AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. WE DO 

2139
01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:09,985
HAVE REASONS TO BELIEVE THAT THE

2140
01:18:09,985 --> 01:18:11,386
PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO IS MORE 

2141
01:18:11,386 --> 01:18:14,589
RELEVANT. ONE AGAIN, GIVEN THAT 

2142
01:18:14,589 --> 01:18:16,625
THERE IS 25 TO 30% PROBABILITY 

2143
01:18:16,625 --> 01:18:18,460
OF A RECESSION, THE DOWNSIDE 

2144
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:20,829
RISK, UH, IS QUITE, QUITE 

2145
01:18:20,829 --> 01:18:23,065
RELEVANT. IT'S CERTAINLY 

2146
01:18:23,065 --> 01:18:24,499
POSSIBLE THAT INDIVIDUAL REVENUE

2147
01:18:24,499 --> 01:18:25,901
STREAMS WILL OUTPERFORM OUR 

2148
01:18:25,901 --> 01:18:29,237
EXPECTATIONS. UM, BUT AGAIN, IN,

2149
01:18:29,237 --> 01:18:31,239
IN THE INTEREST OF BEING FINE, 

2150
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:35,477
UH, FINANCIALLY PRUDENT AND, UH,

2151
01:18:35,477 --> 01:18:36,111
CONSIDERING THE DOWNSIDE, THIS 

2152
01:18:36,111 --> 01:18:38,914
IS WHERE WE WANT TO SPEND OUR 

2153
01:18:38,914 --> 01:18:40,782
ATTENTION DURING THIS, THIS 

2154
01:18:40,782 --> 01:18:42,984
PRESENTATION. SO THE DOWNTURN IN

2155
01:18:42,984 --> 01:18:44,586
THE ECONOMY WOULD, UH, DRAW 

2156
01:18:44,586 --> 01:18:47,722
DOWN, WILL DRAG DOWN THOSE 

2157
01:18:47,722 --> 01:18:49,791
REVENUES, WHICH ARE DRIVEN BY 

2158
01:18:49,791 --> 01:18:51,226
THE ECONOMY. SO SALES TAX, 

2159
01:18:51,226 --> 01:18:53,929
BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION TAX ARE 

2160
01:18:53,929 --> 01:18:56,431
THE TWO PRIMARY ONES WHERE THE 

2161
01:18:56,431 --> 01:18:59,668
REVISION, UM, OR THE CHANGE FROM

2162
01:18:59,668 --> 01:19:01,536
THE APRIL FORECAST, UH, WOULD BE

2163
01:19:01,536 --> 01:19:03,738
SIGNIFICANT AND TO THE DOWNSIDE 

2164
01:19:03,738 --> 01:19:06,441
BACK IN APRIL, THE FORECAST 

2165
01:19:06,441 --> 01:19:09,077
COUNCIL HAS, UH, BASED ON OUR 

2166
01:19:09,077 --> 01:19:09,678
RECOMMENDATIONS, ADOPTED THE 

2167
01:19:09,678 --> 01:19:11,780
BASELINE SCENARIO. SO THE 

2168
01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:13,281
COMPARISON HERE IS BETWEEN THE 

2169
01:19:13,281 --> 01:19:15,417
BASELINE SCENARIO IN APRIL AND 

2170
01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:18,320
THE PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO IN 

2171
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:19,821
JULY. SO AGAIN, SHOULD A 

2172
01:19:19,821 --> 01:19:22,858
RECESSION OCCUR, IT WOULD HAVE A

2173
01:19:22,858 --> 01:19:24,626
MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON LARGE 

2174
01:19:24,626 --> 01:19:26,027
REVENUE STREAMS. UM THERE IS 

2175
01:19:26,027 --> 01:19:29,397
ALSO SOME, UH, ASSUMPTIONS 

2176
01:19:29,397 --> 01:19:30,432
AROUND THE OTHER REVENUE 

2177
01:19:30,432 --> 01:19:32,834
STREAMS. AND I'LL LET CBO STAFF

2178
01:19:32,834 --> 01:19:33,568
TALK. 

2179
01:19:33,568 --> 01:19:35,137
-- YEAH, I WOULD SAY JUST, UH, 

2180
01:19:35,137 --> 01:19:37,139
BY AND LARGE, THE REVENUE 

2181
01:19:37,139 --> 01:19:39,274
STREAMS THAT THE CITY BUDGET 

2182
01:19:39,274 --> 01:19:40,642
OFFICE FORECASTS ARE A LITTLE 

2183
01:19:40,642 --> 01:19:42,611
LESS DEPENDENT ON ECONOMIC 

2184
01:19:42,611 --> 01:19:44,746
CONDITIONS. UH, SO WE GENERALLY 

2185
01:19:44,746 --> 01:19:46,648
DON'T SEE QUITE THE OUTSIZED 

2186
01:19:46,648 --> 01:19:48,817
IMPACT OF PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO 

2187
01:19:48,817 --> 01:19:51,086
ON THESE REVENUE STREAMS. UH, 

2188
01:19:51,086 --> 01:19:52,687
ONE EXCEPTION TO NOTE WOULD BE 

2189
01:19:52,687 --> 01:19:55,290
PROPERTY TAXES, PARTICULARLY, 

2190
01:19:55,290 --> 01:19:58,793
UH, THAT THAT STREAM IS 

2191
01:19:58,793 --> 01:19:59,361
RELATIVELY STABLE GIVEN HOW 

2192
01:19:59,361 --> 01:20:03,031
STATE LAW DICTATES WE, UH, 

2193
01:20:03,031 --> 01:20:03,665
INCREASE OUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS

2194
01:20:03,665 --> 01:20:05,934
FOR PROPERTY TAXES, IT IS PRETTY

2195
01:20:05,934 --> 01:20:07,602
MUCH GUARANTEED AT 1% PLUS THE 

2196
01:20:07,602 --> 01:20:08,904
VALUE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WE

2197
01:20:08,904 --> 01:20:10,539
DO SEE GROWTH SLOW IN A 

2198
01:20:10,539 --> 01:20:11,540
PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO, 

2199
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:14,442
PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THAT NEW

2200
01:20:14,442 --> 01:20:15,844
CONSTRUCTION PIECE BEING 

2201
01:20:15,844 --> 01:20:17,145
DEPRESSED. UM, BUT OVERALL, 

2202
01:20:17,145 --> 01:20:20,282
THOSE REVENUES WOULD STILL 

2203
01:20:20,282 --> 01:20:21,149
INCREASE THOUGH AT A LOWER SPEED

2204
01:20:21,149 --> 01:20:25,320
OR LOWER RATE. IN THE 

2205
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,423
PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO. 

2206
01:20:28,423 --> 01:20:31,193
-- ALL RIGHT. UM, SO YEAH, AS 

2207
01:20:31,193 --> 01:20:33,662
YOU CAN SEE, ESPECIALLY THE 27 

2208
01:20:33,662 --> 01:20:35,864
AND 28, THOSE TWO YEARS WOULD BE

2209
01:20:35,864 --> 01:20:36,464
THE ONES WHERE THE RECESSION 

2210
01:20:36,464 --> 01:20:37,933
WOULD HAVE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT 

2211
01:20:37,933 --> 01:20:43,605
ON REVENUES FOR THE FIRST YEAR, 

2212
01:20:43,605 --> 01:20:44,206
THE 2026. WE STILL HAVE THAT 

2213
01:20:44,206 --> 01:20:46,141
POSITIVE EFFECT OF HIGHER SALES 

2214
01:20:46,141 --> 01:20:48,276
TAX, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, 

2215
01:20:48,276 --> 01:20:52,948
YEAR IN WITH WITH SALES TAX 

2216
01:20:52,948 --> 01:20:54,716
COLLECTION, THE IMPACT THERE IS 

2217
01:20:54,716 --> 01:20:58,286
COMING AGAIN FROM THAT HIGHER 

2218
01:20:58,286 --> 01:21:01,523
COLLECTION DUE TO 5814. UM, SO 

2219
01:21:01,523 --> 01:21:05,527
THAT THAT DOMINATES WHEN IT 

2220
01:21:05,527 --> 01:21:07,996
COMES TO THE NON-GENERAL FUND 

2221
01:21:07,996 --> 01:21:10,432
REVENUES. UM, A RECESSION WOULD 

2222
01:21:10,432 --> 01:21:12,934
ALSO, UM, MEAN SIGNIFICANTLY 

2223
01:21:12,934 --> 01:21:14,836
LOWER STOCK PRICES AND 

2224
01:21:14,836 --> 01:21:16,738
POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL LAYOFFS. 

2225
01:21:16,738 --> 01:21:18,807
BOTH OF THOSE WOULD DRIVE DOWN 

2226
01:21:18,807 --> 01:21:21,509
THE PAYROLL EXPENSE TAX 

2227
01:21:21,509 --> 01:21:23,445
REVENUES. THE OVERALL IMPACT IS 

2228
01:21:23,445 --> 01:21:25,647
QUITE SIGNIFICANT, 63 MILLION 

2229
01:21:25,647 --> 01:21:29,784
LESS COMPARED TO THE APRIL, UM, 

2230
01:21:29,784 --> 01:21:33,521
BASELINE FORECAST UM, FOR RATE 

2231
01:21:33,521 --> 01:21:35,357
AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, QUITE A 

2232
01:21:35,357 --> 01:21:38,093
SIGNIFICANT DROP THERE BECAUSE 

2233
01:21:38,093 --> 01:21:40,161
OF THE OVERALL DOWNTURN THAT WE 

2234
01:21:40,161 --> 01:21:42,030
TEND TO SEE WHENEVER THERE IS A 

2235
01:21:42,030 --> 01:21:43,899
RECESSION RATE FALLS 

2236
01:21:43,899 --> 01:21:44,733
SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THAT'S 

2237
01:21:44,733 --> 01:21:48,703
EXACTLY THE KIND OF, UH, IMPACT 

2238
01:21:48,703 --> 01:21:50,472
THIS, THIS FORECAST HAS, HAS 

2239
01:21:50,472 --> 01:21:53,508
BUILT INTO IT. UM SO OVERALL, 

2240
01:21:53,508 --> 01:21:59,114
WHEN IT COMES TO THE THREE YEAR 

2241
01:21:59,114 --> 01:21:59,814
DIFFERENCE, IT'S A 233 MILLION 

2242
01:21:59,814 --> 01:22:02,751
LESS COMPARED TO THE APRIL 

2243
01:22:02,751 --> 01:22:05,153
BASELINE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

2244
01:22:05,153 --> 01:22:07,622
THE PESSIMISTIC SCENARIO IN JULY

2245
01:22:07,622 --> 01:22:09,424
AND THE BASELINE SCENARIO IN 

2246
01:22:09,424 --> 01:22:13,461
JULY IS EVEN LARGER BECAUSE THE 

2247
01:22:13,461 --> 01:22:14,896
THE JULY BASELINE IS HIGHER THAN

2248
01:22:14,896 --> 01:22:16,765
THAN THE APRIL BASELINE. SO THE 

2249
01:22:16,765 --> 01:22:19,334
OVERALL CHANGE WOULD BE THE 232 

2250
01:22:19,334 --> 01:22:25,507
SHOWN HERE, PLUS THE 116. SO 

2251
01:22:25,507 --> 01:22:27,442
THAT'S THE OVERALL SPREAD 

2252
01:22:27,442 --> 01:22:28,576
BETWEEN THE BASELINE AND THE 

2253
01:22:28,576 --> 01:22:29,944
PESSIMISTIC. AGAIN THERE IS AN 

2254
01:22:29,944 --> 01:22:31,746
OPTIMISTIC SCENARIO WHICH ADDS, 

2255
01:22:31,746 --> 01:22:33,815
UH, SOME REVENUES. THERE IS 

2256
01:22:33,815 --> 01:22:36,952
POTENTIAL TO THE UPSIDE. BUT UM,

2257
01:22:36,952 --> 01:22:42,957
WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, THAT THE

2258
01:22:42,957 --> 01:22:44,826
DOWNSIDE RISKS ARE THE RISKS ARE

2259
01:22:44,826 --> 01:22:45,393
PROBABLY SKEWED MORE TO THE 

2260
01:22:45,393 --> 01:22:47,362
DOWNSIDE THAN TO THE UPSIDE. 

2261
01:22:47,362 --> 01:22:52,100
THAT SAID, THIS TABLE HERE 

2262
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:54,569
COMPARES, UM, EVEN THE 

2263
01:22:54,569 --> 01:22:55,136
OPTIMISTIC SCENARIO TO THE 

2264
01:22:55,136 --> 01:22:56,805
BASELINE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, 

2265
01:22:56,805 --> 01:22:59,441
YEAH, IT WOULD RESULT IN 

2266
01:22:59,441 --> 01:22:59,941
POTENTIALLY MEANINGFUL 

2267
01:22:59,941 --> 01:23:00,709
ADDITIONAL REVENUES THERE. 

2268
01:23:00,709 --> 01:23:02,811
-- THANK YOU DIRECTOR. I SEE WE 

2269
01:23:02,811 --> 01:23:03,812
HAVE THE ABILITY WE MIGHT BE 

2270
01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:07,515
ABLE TO STAY ON TIME. SO I WOULD

2271
01:23:07,515 --> 01:23:09,084
SAY IF WE COULD JUMP AHEAD TO 

2272
01:23:09,084 --> 01:23:11,953
THE SOCIAL HOUSING AND THE 

2273
01:23:11,953 --> 01:23:12,520
FORECAST RISK AND RISKS AND 

2274
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:13,188
SCENARIOS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 

2275
01:23:13,188 --> 01:23:14,456
-- YEAH, WE ARE CLOSE TO THE 

2276
01:23:14,456 --> 01:23:17,592
END. YES. UH, THE SOCIAL HOUSING

2277
01:23:17,592 --> 01:23:19,160
TAX FORECAST HAS HAS BEEN 

2278
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,629
UPDATED. OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN 

2279
01:23:21,629 --> 01:23:22,964
ASKED TO PROVIDE FORECASTS FOR 

2280
01:23:22,964 --> 01:23:24,432
THE DEVELOPER. UM, SO WE HAVE 

2281
01:23:24,432 --> 01:23:27,969
LOOKED AT THE COLLECTION FOR 

2282
01:23:27,969 --> 01:23:29,304
2025 OBLIGATIONS AND THE YEAR TO

2283
01:23:29,304 --> 01:23:34,142
DATE COLLECTION FOR 2026. UH, 

2284
01:23:34,142 --> 01:23:36,344
UM, THERE'S A FIRST QUARTER 

2285
01:23:36,344 --> 01:23:39,547
THAT'S COMPLETELY IN, UM, 

2286
01:23:39,547 --> 01:23:41,316
POTENTIALLY SOME LATE, UH, 

2287
01:23:41,316 --> 01:23:43,051
RETURNS MIGHT SHOW UP, BUT MOST 

2288
01:23:43,051 --> 01:23:46,621
OF IT SHOULD BE IN THE SECOND 

2289
01:23:46,621 --> 01:23:47,789
QUARTER IS STILL, UM, STILL 

2290
01:23:47,789 --> 01:23:49,391
BEING, BEING FILED AND BEING 

2291
01:23:49,391 --> 01:23:53,428
PROCESSED. SO UM, THAT, THAT WAS

2292
01:23:53,428 --> 01:23:55,196
USED TOGETHER WITH THE DATA THAT

2293
01:23:55,196 --> 01:23:57,565
WE HAVE ON, UH, ON THE 

2294
01:23:57,565 --> 01:23:59,501
EMPLOYMENT, UM, COMING FROM 

2295
01:23:59,501 --> 01:24:02,103
EMPLOYMENT SECURITY DEPARTMENT. 

2296
01:24:02,103 --> 01:24:03,405
SO SIMILAR SORT OF AN APPROACH, 

2297
01:24:03,405 --> 01:24:06,808
UH, UM, TO PAYROLL EXPENSE TAX 

2298
01:24:06,808 --> 01:24:08,810
WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE HAVE 

2299
01:24:08,810 --> 01:24:10,912
ONLY ONE ONE YEAR, UM, OF, OF 

2300
01:24:10,912 --> 01:24:13,381
COLLECTION. SO WE CANNOT REALLY 

2301
01:24:13,381 --> 01:24:14,115
DO A FULL ANALYSIS OF, LET'S 

2302
01:24:14,115 --> 01:24:17,652
SAY, WHAT THE IMPACT OF HIGHER 

2303
01:24:17,652 --> 01:24:19,854
STOCK PRICES WOULD BE. BUT, UM, 

2304
01:24:19,854 --> 01:24:21,122
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS IS 

2305
01:24:21,122 --> 01:24:23,558
GOING TO BE HEADING IN THE 

2306
01:24:23,558 --> 01:24:26,594
FUTURE. UM, THE REASON IS THAT 

2307
01:24:26,594 --> 01:24:30,165
THOSE TWO ARE IMPOSED ON SIMILAR

2308
01:24:30,165 --> 01:24:32,734
BASE, NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT 

2309
01:24:32,734 --> 01:24:35,069
THEY SHARE SOME, SOME 

2310
01:24:35,069 --> 01:24:37,005
SIMILARITIES. THE TAX BASE IS 

2311
01:24:37,005 --> 01:24:37,806
NARROW FOR SOCIAL HOUSING TAX 

2312
01:24:37,806 --> 01:24:40,442
JUST LIKE IT IS FOR PAYROLL 

2313
01:24:40,442 --> 01:24:44,979
EXPENSE TAX. EVEN NARROWER. 

2314
01:24:44,979 --> 01:24:47,315
THERE IS ONLY ABOUT 220 TAX 

2315
01:24:47,315 --> 01:24:48,817
PAYERS FOR 2025. ABOUT HALF OF 

2316
01:24:48,817 --> 01:24:53,121
THAT HAVE FILED Q1 AND Q2 

2317
01:24:53,121 --> 01:24:53,755
OBLIGATIONS. MORE ARE EXPECTED 

2318
01:24:53,755 --> 01:24:54,656
LATER ON BECAUSE OF THE WAY HOW 

2319
01:24:54,656 --> 01:24:58,092
THIS TAX IS IMPOSED ONLY ON 

2320
01:24:58,092 --> 01:24:58,660
EXCESS COMPENSATION ABOVE A 

2321
01:24:58,660 --> 01:25:00,962
MILLION. AND SO COMPANIES ARE 

2322
01:25:00,962 --> 01:25:04,532
NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ARE NOT ALL 

2323
01:25:04,532 --> 01:25:06,167
THE EMPLOYEES THAT THEY PAY ARE 

2324
01:25:06,167 --> 01:25:08,736
HITTING IT AT THE SAME TIME? UM,

2325
01:25:08,736 --> 01:25:12,207
IT'S ALSO SIMILARLY 

2326
01:25:12,207 --> 01:25:14,109
CONCENTRATED TO PARALLEL EXPENSE

2327
01:25:14,109 --> 01:25:16,478
TAX TOP TEN TAXPAYERS PAY ABOUT 

2328
01:25:16,478 --> 01:25:20,648
TWO THIRDS OF THE OVERALL UM TAX

2329
01:25:20,648 --> 01:25:23,051
TOP 50, ABOUT 90%. UM, SO THAT 

2330
01:25:23,051 --> 01:25:24,252
MEANS THAT THERE IS AGAIN, 

2331
01:25:24,252 --> 01:25:27,188
INHERENTLY A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY 

2332
01:25:27,188 --> 01:25:29,123
REGARDING THE FORECAST. UM, THE 

2333
01:25:29,123 --> 01:25:31,526
THREE SCENARIOS THAT ARE HERE 

2334
01:25:31,526 --> 01:25:34,329
ARE NOT NECESSARILY SHOWING THE 

2335
01:25:34,329 --> 01:25:35,330
WHOLE UNCERTAINTY WHEN IT COMES 

2336
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:41,536
TO, UH, COMES TO THE POSSIBLE 

2337
01:25:41,536 --> 01:25:42,170
OUTCOMES. EVEN THIS YEAR, JUST 

2338
01:25:42,170 --> 01:25:42,770
LIKE FOR, FOR PAYROLL EXPENSE 

2339
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:44,906
TAX, THOSE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS

2340
01:25:44,906 --> 01:25:49,844
THEY HAVE SEEN, UM, SIGNIFICANT 

2341
01:25:49,844 --> 01:25:50,378
VARIANCE FROM BETWEEN THE 

2342
01:25:50,378 --> 01:25:52,680
FORECAST AND THE ACTUALS. AND 

2343
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:53,815
THAT'S, UH, POSSIBLY GOING TO 

2344
01:25:53,815 --> 01:25:59,320
OCCUR HERE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. 

2345
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,322
AND SO FINALLY WRAPPING IT UP 

2346
01:26:01,322 --> 01:26:04,259
WITH THE FORECAST RISK SCENARIO 

2347
01:26:04,259 --> 01:26:06,327
RECOMMENDATION. UM, AGAIN ARE IN

2348
01:26:06,327 --> 01:26:09,931
CONFLICT IS DRIVING A LOT OF, 

2349
01:26:09,931 --> 01:26:10,498
UH, CHANGES IN THE ECONOMIC 

2350
01:26:10,498 --> 01:26:12,534
OUTLOOK, UH, THE OVERALL OUTLOOK

2351
01:26:12,534 --> 01:26:15,103
IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT COMPARED 

2352
01:26:15,103 --> 01:26:17,705
TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS IN 

2353
01:26:17,705 --> 01:26:19,574
APRIL, THE PROBABILITY OF A 

2354
01:26:19,574 --> 01:26:24,646
RECESSION HAS COME DOWN. UM, THE

2355
01:26:24,646 --> 01:26:26,781
ECONOMY IS KIND OF GOING THROUGH

2356
01:26:26,781 --> 01:26:28,683
A TOUGH TIME, BUT IT'S NOT 

2357
01:26:28,683 --> 01:26:30,652
BREAKING YET. THERE ARE 

2358
01:26:30,652 --> 01:26:32,387
CERTAINLY ELEVATED RISKS. UH, 

2359
01:26:32,387 --> 01:26:34,989
THE, THE GROWTH IS VERY 

2360
01:26:34,989 --> 01:26:37,692
CONCENTRATED. UM, AND SO THE 

2361
01:26:37,692 --> 01:26:41,596
RISKS ARE THERE. THE BASELINE 

2362
01:26:41,596 --> 01:26:42,230
SCENARIO IS HOWEVER CONSIDERED 

2363
01:26:42,230 --> 01:26:43,431
BY THE US FORECASTERS AS THE 

2364
01:26:43,431 --> 01:26:47,235
MOST LIKELY OUTCOME. UM, FOR THE

2365
01:26:47,235 --> 01:26:48,903
REGIONAL ECONOMY. AGAIN THE DATA

2366
01:26:48,903 --> 01:26:50,638
THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, 

2367
01:26:50,638 --> 01:26:54,909
PAINTS A PICTURE OF A WEAKER 

2368
01:26:54,909 --> 01:26:55,543
ECONOMY COMPARED TO THE NATIONAL

2369
01:26:55,543 --> 01:26:58,012
ONE. UM, ON THE MORE POSITIVE 

2370
01:26:58,012 --> 01:26:59,380
SIDE, WE HAVE SEEN COLLECTION, 

2371
01:26:59,380 --> 01:27:02,383
WHICH IS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER

2372
01:27:02,383 --> 01:27:03,818
THAN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. AND

2373
01:27:03,818 --> 01:27:07,288
IN SOME CASES FOR SALES TAX IN 

2374
01:27:07,288 --> 01:27:09,757
PARTICULAR IS ACTUALLY, UM, 

2375
01:27:09,757 --> 01:27:13,027
NOTABLY ABOVE THE APRIL 

2376
01:27:13,027 --> 01:27:15,296
FORECAST. AND SO TAKING ALL OF 

2377
01:27:15,296 --> 01:27:17,632
THAT INTO ACCOUNT, WE CONTINUE 

2378
01:27:17,632 --> 01:27:19,400
WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION OF A 

2379
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:20,835
BASELINE SCENARIO. THE OUTLOOK 

2380
01:27:20,835 --> 01:27:22,737
IS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE. 

2381
01:27:22,737 --> 01:27:24,906
THERE ISN'T ANY SORT OF 

2382
01:27:24,906 --> 01:27:25,473
COMPELLING ARGUMENT WHY WE 

2383
01:27:25,473 --> 01:27:27,875
SHOULD BE UH, ADOPTING A 

2384
01:27:27,875 --> 01:27:29,310
SCENARIO THAT ASSUMES THAT THE 

2385
01:27:29,310 --> 01:27:30,478
ECONOMY IS HEADING INTO A 

2386
01:27:30,478 --> 01:27:32,380
RECESSION. AND SO THE BASELINE 

2387
01:27:32,380 --> 01:27:34,782
IS THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE 

2388
01:27:34,782 --> 01:27:35,550
SAME CAVEAT AS LAST TIME, THAT 

2389
01:27:35,550 --> 01:27:38,152
THERE IS HIGH UNCERTAINTY 

2390
01:27:38,152 --> 01:27:40,221
BECAUSE OF THE POLICY CHANGES AT

2391
01:27:40,221 --> 01:27:44,425
THE FEDERAL LEVEL. UM, THAT ARE 

2392
01:27:44,425 --> 01:27:45,493
JUST REALLY HARD, HARD TO 

2393
01:27:45,493 --> 01:27:47,228
PREDICT. AND BECAUSE OF THOSE 

2394
01:27:47,228 --> 01:27:48,429
LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT MAKE IT

2395
01:27:48,429 --> 01:27:50,331
TRICKIER TO FORECAST SALES TAX 

2396
01:27:50,331 --> 01:27:51,866
AND BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION TAX.

2397
01:27:51,866 --> 01:27:54,402
SO THE VARIANCE MIGHT BE LARGER 

2398
01:27:54,402 --> 01:27:57,038
WHEN WE SEE THE 2026 ACTUALS. SO

2399
01:27:57,038 --> 01:27:59,707
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER 

2400
01:27:59,707 --> 01:28:00,074
ANY QUESTIONS. 

2401
01:28:00,074 --> 01:28:02,310
-- THANK YOU DIRECTOR. THANK YOU

2402
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:05,146
SEAN. JOE. ALEXANDRA ALWAYS 

2403
01:28:05,146 --> 01:28:06,614
FANTASTIC AND AMAZING WORK. JUST

2404
01:28:06,614 --> 01:28:07,882
NOTING. DIRECTOR, SINCE YOUR 

2405
01:28:07,882 --> 01:28:08,816
TIME HERE AT THE CITY, YOU'VE 

2406
01:28:08,816 --> 01:28:10,318
BEEN WITH US THROUGH THE 

2407
01:28:10,318 --> 01:28:11,853
PANDEMIC WHEN WE HAD MORE 

2408
01:28:11,853 --> 01:28:14,088
ACCURATE FORECASTS IN THE STATE 

2409
01:28:14,088 --> 01:28:15,423
AND THROUGH ALL OF THESE 

2410
01:28:15,423 --> 01:28:16,858
DIFFERENT UPS AND DOWNS, YOU'VE

2411
01:28:16,858 --> 01:28:19,327
ALWAYS LED US THROUGH A AN 

2412
01:28:19,327 --> 01:28:21,796
INCREDIBLE AN IMPRESSIVELY 

2413
01:28:21,796 --> 01:28:23,731
ACCURATE FORECAST. AND SO JUST 

2414
01:28:23,731 --> 01:28:27,268
GREATLY APPRECIATE IT, 

2415
01:28:27,268 --> 01:28:27,869
ESPECIALLY NOTING THAT WE DID 

2416
01:28:27,869 --> 01:28:28,436
HAVE TO ADOPT A PESSIMISTIC 

2417
01:28:28,436 --> 01:28:29,203
FORECAST. I THINK JUST TWO YEARS

2418
01:28:29,203 --> 01:28:31,839
AGO. AND SO, UM, JUST GREATLY 

2419
01:28:31,839 --> 01:28:32,907
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK 

2420
01:28:32,907 --> 01:28:34,208
COLLEAGUES AT THIS TIME. ARE 

2421
01:28:34,208 --> 01:28:35,677
THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 

2422
01:28:35,677 --> 01:28:38,313
FORECAST THAT WE'VE RECEIVED 

2423
01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:41,249
-- NO QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE 

2424
01:28:41,249 --> 01:28:44,519
ALL THE INFORMATION. UH THANKS 

2425
01:28:44,519 --> 01:28:46,421
FOR ALL THE INFORMATION. 

2426
01:28:46,421 --> 01:28:46,988
CERTAINLY VERY DETAILED. I 

2427
01:28:46,988 --> 01:28:48,089
THINK, UM, I'VE HAD AN 

2428
01:28:48,089 --> 01:28:49,590
OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO A COUPLE 

2429
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:50,124
OF FOLKS ABOUT THEIR OWN 

2430
01:28:50,124 --> 01:28:51,426
BRIEFINGS ON IT, SO I DON'T HAVE

2431
01:28:51,426 --> 01:28:52,126
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK 

2432
01:28:52,126 --> 01:28:55,763
YOU. AND I WOULD JUST NOTE, 

2433
01:28:55,763 --> 01:28:57,265
OTHER THAN THREE REVENUE SOURCES

2434
01:28:57,265 --> 01:28:59,167
FOR WHICH THERE ALWAYS IS GREAT 

2435
01:28:59,167 --> 01:29:01,536
UNCERTAINTY. EVERYTHING ELSE IS 

2436
01:29:01,536 --> 01:29:03,571
LIKE EXACTLY RIGHT. ON THE APRIL

2437
01:29:03,571 --> 01:29:04,172
FORECAST, WHICH IS REMARKABLY 

2438
01:29:04,172 --> 01:29:06,074
GOOD WORK. 

2439
01:29:06,074 --> 01:29:07,408
-- NOW, IF ONLY WE WILL GET 

2440
01:29:07,408 --> 01:29:09,177
THOSE RED LIGHT TRAFFIC CAMERAS 

2441
01:29:09,177 --> 01:29:11,713
OUT THERE. AM I AM I RIGHT? 

2442
01:29:11,713 --> 01:29:13,314
COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ANY OTHER 

2443
01:29:13,314 --> 01:29:14,615
COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? 

2444
01:29:14,615 --> 01:29:15,316
-- NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY. THANK 

2445
01:29:15,316 --> 01:29:17,985
YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. VERY 

2446
01:29:17,985 --> 01:29:19,754
DETAILED. SO THANK YOU. 

2447
01:29:19,754 --> 01:29:21,355
-- FANTASTIC. PER THE ORDINANCE 

2448
01:29:21,355 --> 01:29:21,989
THAT CREATED THE FORECAST OFFICE

2449
01:29:21,989 --> 01:29:23,124
IN THIS FORECAST COUNCIL IS THE 

2450
01:29:23,124 --> 01:29:24,158
ROLE THE FORECAST COUNCIL TO 

2451
01:29:24,158 --> 01:29:25,059
REVIEW AND APPROVE THE FORECAST 

2452
01:29:25,059 --> 01:29:26,527
IN TERMS OF APPROVING THE 

2453
01:29:26,527 --> 01:29:30,298
FORECAST. IF WE CONCUR WITH THE 

2454
01:29:30,298 --> 01:29:31,466
RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S NO 

2455
01:29:31,466 --> 01:29:32,400
FORMAL VOTE REQUIRED. THE GOAL 

2456
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:33,534
OF THE LEGISLATION IS TO REMOVE 

2457
01:29:33,534 --> 01:29:36,170
THE RISK OF POLITICAL INFLUENCE 

2458
01:29:36,170 --> 01:29:38,206
AND CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE 

2459
01:29:38,206 --> 01:29:39,307
COLLABORATION HERE AT CITY HALL.

2460
01:29:39,307 --> 01:29:40,942
SO WE ARE IN CITY COUNCIL 

2461
01:29:40,942 --> 01:29:43,177
CHAMBERS, BUT WE ARE NOT A CITY 

2462
01:29:43,177 --> 01:29:45,747
COUNCIL COMMITTEE. WE ARE A 

2463
01:29:45,747 --> 01:29:46,347
JOINT FORECAST COUNCIL. THAT 

2464
01:29:46,347 --> 01:29:47,381
SAID, WE DO REPRESENT THE 

2465
01:29:47,381 --> 01:29:48,816
ELECTED LEADERSHIP OF BOTH THE 

2466
01:29:48,816 --> 01:29:50,084
LEGISLATIVE AND EXECUTIVE 

2467
01:29:50,084 --> 01:29:51,586
BRANCHES. IT IS THUS APPROPRIATE

2468
01:29:51,586 --> 01:29:54,155
THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY 

2469
01:29:54,155 --> 01:29:55,390
TOGETHER TO OVERRIDE THE 

2470
01:29:55,390 --> 01:29:57,225
RECOMMENDATION SHOULD WE CHOOSE 

2471
01:29:57,225 --> 01:29:57,992
TO, BUT WITH ALL THE COMPLIMENTS

2472
01:29:57,992 --> 01:29:58,626
THAT WE JUST PROVIDED THE TEAM, 

2473
01:29:58,626 --> 01:30:00,294
I DOUBT WE'RE GOING TO OVERRIDE

2474
01:30:00,294 --> 01:30:03,698
YOU TODAY. UH, JUST WITH YOUR 

2475
01:30:03,698 --> 01:30:05,233
GREAT ACCURACY, WE ALL GREATLY 

2476
01:30:05,233 --> 01:30:06,300
APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. AS YOU'VE

2477
01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:08,703
HEARD, OUR DIRECTOR HAS 

2478
01:30:08,703 --> 01:30:10,071
RECOMMENDED THE BASELINE 

2479
01:30:10,071 --> 01:30:12,373
SCENARIO OF THE AUGUST 2026 

2480
01:30:12,373 --> 01:30:13,007
FORECAST IN THE CASE THAT THERE 

2481
01:30:13,007 --> 01:30:15,343
ARE NO OBJECTIONS, WE CAN MOVE 

2482
01:30:15,343 --> 01:30:17,378
FORWARD. SO I'M GOING TO JUST 

2483
01:30:17,378 --> 01:30:20,248
ASK FORMALLY, ARE THERE ANY 

2484
01:30:20,248 --> 01:30:22,350
OBJECTIONS TO, UH, LET ME SEE 

2485
01:30:22,350 --> 01:30:23,885
HOW THIS IS THIS IS NOT ARE 

2486
01:30:23,885 --> 01:30:27,522
THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO ADOPTING

2487
01:30:27,522 --> 01:30:30,625
THE RECOMMENDED FORECAST? BY THE

2488
01:30:30,625 --> 01:30:33,127
BY THE FORECAST OFFICE. 

2489
01:30:33,127 --> 01:30:33,528
-- NO OBJECTION. 

2490
01:30:33,528 --> 01:30:34,529
-- SEEING NO OBJECTIONS. AND SO 

2491
01:30:34,529 --> 01:30:36,631
THAT MEANS HEARING NO 

2492
01:30:36,631 --> 01:30:40,635
OBJECTIONS. I DIRECT THE 

2493
01:30:40,635 --> 01:30:41,235
FORECAST OFFICE TO RECORD OUR 

2494
01:30:41,235 --> 01:30:41,702
CONCURRENCE WITH THE 

2495
01:30:41,702 --> 01:30:42,303
RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED 

2496
01:30:42,303 --> 01:30:44,071
FORECAST IN THE MEETING MINUTES.

2497
01:30:44,071 --> 01:30:45,907
AND WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY 

2498
01:30:45,907 --> 01:30:47,341
FURTHER BUSINESS, ANY GOOD OF 

2499
01:30:47,341 --> 01:30:49,177
THE ORDER? SEEING NONE, WE HAVE 

2500
01:30:49,177 --> 01:30:51,078
REACHED THE END OF OUR FORMAL 

2501
01:30:51,078 --> 01:30:52,180
AGENDA. BEFORE ADJOURNING, I 

2502
01:30:52,180 --> 01:30:53,414
WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE

2503
01:30:53,414 --> 01:30:54,882
NEXT MEETING WILL TAKE PLACE ON 

2504
01:30:54,882 --> 01:30:56,417
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 16th AT 9:30 

2505
01:30:56,417 --> 01:30:58,619
A.M., SO WE'LL GET CHAMBERS 

2506
01:30:58,619 --> 01:30:59,787
INSTEAD OF EVERYONE ELSE WHEN WE

2507
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:02,256
WILL RECEIVE THAT FINAL FORECAST

2508
01:31:02,256 --> 01:31:04,091
UPDATE OF THIS YEAR. UH, 

2509
01:31:04,091 --> 01:31:05,660
DIRECTOR DR. S, THE ENTIRE TEAM.

2510
01:31:05,660 --> 01:31:06,761
I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU. WE 

2511
01:31:06,761 --> 01:31:08,229
STARTED A HALF AN HOUR LATE AND 

2512
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:09,564
WE'RE ENDING FOUR MINUTES 

2513
01:31:09,564 --> 01:31:13,434
EARLY. APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH. 

2514
01:31:13,434 --> 01:31:14,068
UM, AND SO NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

2515
01:31:14,068 --> 01:31:15,470
WE 

