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>> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON 

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EVERYONE. MAY 11th 2026 LAND-USE

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AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE 

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WILL COME TO ORDER. I'M EDDIE 

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LIN, CHAIR. WILL THE CLERK CALL 

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ROLE? 

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>> VICE MAYOR STRAUSS? 

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COUNCILMEMBER FOSTER? COUNCIL 

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PRESIDENT HOLLINGSWORTH? 

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COUNCILMEMBER RINCK? CHAIR LIN? 

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CHAIR, THERE ARE FOUR MEMBERS 

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PRESENT. EXPECT THANK YOU, 

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CLICK. WE ALSO HAVE COLLEAGUE 

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KETTLE, HERE, AS WELL. I THINK 

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WE MIGHT HAVE OTHERS JOINING US,

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AS WELL. IF THERE IS NO 

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OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE 

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ADOPTED. HEARING NO OBJECTION, 

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THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED. AGAIN, 

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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANK 

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YOU FOR JOINING US . AS ALWAYS, 

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THANK YOU TO OUR CITY CLERKS , 

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STAFF, AND OTHERS FOR HELPING US

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PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING. WE 

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WILL NOW OPEN THE HYBRID PUBLIC 

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COMMENT PERIOD . PUBLIC COMMENT 

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AGENDA, OR ITEMS WITHIN THE 

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PURVIEW OF THE COMMITTEE. CLERK,

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HOW MANY SPEAKERS ARE SIGNED UP 

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TODAY? 

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>> WE HAVE TWO REMOTE SPEAKERS 

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ASSIGNED UP EXPECT EACH SPEAKER 

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WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES. , CAN YOU

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PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT 

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INSTRUCTION? 

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>> PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE 

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MANNER. AND SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A

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TIME WHEN 10 SECONDS ARE LEFT IN

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OUR TIME. SPEAKERS MAY BE MUTED 

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THE ALLOTTED TIME TO ALLOW US TO

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ACCOMMODATE THE NEXT SPEAKER. 

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PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW OPEN AND 

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SPEAKER ON THE LIST. THAT WILL 

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BE PETER. PETER? 

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>> COULD YOU SPEAK UP A BIT MORE

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LOUDLY? 

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>> PETER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX.

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THERE YOU HAVE IT. 

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>> HELLO? 

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>> HI, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 

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>> OKAY. MY UP? FOR MY COMMENT? 

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>> YOU ARE UP. 

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>> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME

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IS PETER, AND I WORK WITH A 

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LOCAL REAL ESTATE FIRM. WITH 

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RESPECT TO A POTENTIAL 

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SECTOR REPRESENTS ONE OF THE 

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SECOND LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF 

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A.I. TALENT IN THE COUNTRY, 

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STRIKES ME, WHICH I SHARE, IS 

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FOR VERY LARGE DATA CENTERS THAT

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ISSUES. IN WHICH CASE, I WOULD 

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TO BE INSTITUTED, SO THAT 

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THE SCOPE FOR OUR SERVICE AREA 

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IS LARGER . THE DEGREE THAT 

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SEATTLE BANDS DATA CENTERS OUT 

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RIGHT BUT THERE IS DEMAND GIVEN 

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THE TALENT CONCENTRATION, DATA 

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OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND STILL 

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BURDEN SEL WHILE LOSING THE 

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OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE JOBS THAT 

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WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY. SO, I 

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A REAL INTEREST IN FILLING 

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COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. VACANCY 

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LEVELS, AND I THINK IT WOULD 

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MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE A FEW 

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FLOORS OF DATA CENTER CO-LOCATED

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WOULD HOUSE TECH AND A.I. JOBS, 

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THEN TO CONTINUE TO HAVE EMPTY 

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BUILDINGS. SO, THOSE ARE MY 

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COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO A 

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POTENTIAL MORATORIUM. THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU, PETER. 

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>> NEXT UP, WE HAVE DAN DEORA . 

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>> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? 

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>> WE CAN HEAR YOU. 

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>> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY 

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MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I

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AM VICE PRESIDENT OF STATE 

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POLICY FOR DATA CENTER 

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COALITION. WE ARE A NATIONAL 

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MEMBERSHIP ASSOCIATION FOR THE 

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DATA CENTER INDUSTRY, RESENTING 

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LEADING DATA CENTER OWNERS AND 

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OPERATORS . DATA CENTERS ARE 

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EVERYTHING WE DO EVERY DAY. HOW 

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COMMUNICATE. EVERY TELEHEALTH 

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APPOINTMENT, EVERY ELECTRONIC 

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HEALTHCARE RECORD BUT ONLINE 

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CLASSROOMS, EVERY BANKING AND 

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FINANCIAL TRANSACTION , AND 

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ONLINE PURCHASE, 911 GEOLOCATION

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SERVICE , YOU NAME IT. DIGITAL 

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OF THE 21st CENTURY ECONOMY. 

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HISTORY OF FOSTERING DATA CENTER

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SEVERAL HOMEGROWN COMPANIES. 

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LEADERS IN THE COUNTRY, AND WHAT

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BENEFITS ACROSS THE STATE AND 

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THE REGION. IN PARTICULAR, A 

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47,960 TOTAL IMPLEMENT 

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CONTRIBUTION TO THE INDUSTRY. 

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8.64 BILLION IN CONSERVATION TO 

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LABOR INCOME . 6.82 BILLION TO 

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THE STATE GDP, AND 1.8 BILLION 

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IN STATE AND LOCAL TAX REVENUES.

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AS THE CITY CONSIDERS A PROPOSED

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MORATORIUM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO 

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CENTERS PLAY IN OUR EVERYDAY 

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LIVES, ESPECIALLY THE ROLE THAT 

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DATA CENTERS ARE PLAYING IN 

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FOSTERING ECONOMIC ELEMENT. 

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CENTERS CREATE CONSTRUCTION JOBS

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RESOURCE TO THE COMMITTEE IF 

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THEY CONSIDER THIS, BUT I WOULD 

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MORATORIUM FOR THE STRONG 

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>> THANK YOU. 

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>> CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES OUR 

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>> THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO 

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ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS WE WILL 

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PROCEED TO ITEMS OF BUSINESS. I 

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RECORD, COUNCIL PRESIDENT 

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PRESIDENT JUAREZ HAVE BOTH 

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JOINED US. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON 

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TO OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS. 

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>> AGENDA ITEM 1. DATA CENTER 

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OVERVIEW AND DISCUSSION. 

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>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE OUR 

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REPRESENTATIVES FROM CENTRAL 

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YOURSELVES 

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>> HB HARPER, COUNCIL CENTRAL 

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STAFF. 

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ERIC 

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McCONAUGHEY ON THE COUNCIL 

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CENTRAL STAFF. 

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK WE

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HAVE A PRESENTATION. I WILL JUST

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GIVE SOME PRELIMINARY 

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INTRODUCTORY REMARKS , THANK 

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YOU, COLLEAGUES, FOR JOINING AT 

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THIS LAST-MINUTE MEETING, AND WE

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WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON 

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LEGISLATION , SO THAT WILL BE 

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COMING, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD 

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BE GOOD TO HAVE THIS INITIAL 

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BRIEFING JUST TO GET THE 

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DIALOGUE STARTED. WE HAD SOME 

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GOOD DIALOGUE FROM THE COMMENTS.

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US WE HAVE LOTS OF DISHING 

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EXISTING DATA CENTERS INCLUDING 

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CO-LOCATION OF DATA CENTERS. I 

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DON'T SEE US HAVING A PERMANENT

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BAN ON ALL DATA CENTERS, I DO 

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THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE 

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APPROPRIATE RULES AND 

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REGULATIONS, AND WITH THAT, I 

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PRESENTATION, AND THEN, I THINK 

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THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE 

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INTERACTIVE DIALOGUE HERE. IF 

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THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS 

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AS WE GO, I WELCOME THEM. 

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>> HI, THERE. THIS AFTERNOON, WE

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WANTED TO DISCUSS WHAT DATA 

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CENTERS ARE, WHAT WE DO AND 

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DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM, AND TWO 

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POTENTIAL WAYS THE COUNCIL MIGHT

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LEGISLATE ON DATA CENTERS AT 

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THIS TIME. WE WILL ALSO DISCUSS 

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A HIGH-LEVEL IDEA OF A WORKPLAN 

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FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE THIS CITY 

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MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER MOVING 

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FORWARD AS WE PONDER HOW TO 

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REGULATE THIS NEW USE. SO, AS I 

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JUST IMPLIED, THERE IS CURRENTLY

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NO DEFINITION OF DATA CENTERS 

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THAT IS A WORKING DEFINITION FOR

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THE CITY. WEATHER IN THE LAND 

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USE CODE, OR IN OTHER SECTIONS 

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OF CODE RELATED TO ELECTOR CITY 

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RATES, WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE 

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DATA CENTERS DEFINED BUT IF YOU 

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ARE WONDERING HOW IT IS POSSIBLE

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THAT WE HAVE DATA CENTERS IN 

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EXISTENCE, AND HOW THEY GOT 

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PERMITTED, IF A USE IS NOT 

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LISTED SPECIFICALLY ON THE 

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LAND-USE SIDE, AT LEAST, IN LAND

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USE CODE, THE DIRECTOR MAY 

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DETERMINE A PROPOSED USE IS 

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SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO OTHER 

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USES THAT ARE PERMITTED . SO, 

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RELATED USE CATEGORIES THAT MAY 

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HAVE BEEN USED FOR DATA CENTERS 

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THAT EXIST IN SEATTLE TODAY OUR 

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BUSINESS SUPPORT SERVICES, 

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OFFICE OR ACCESSORY TO OFFICE OR

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UTILITY SERVICE USE, WHICH WAS A

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FORMER USE LISTED IN CODE 

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PREVIOUSLY. FOR ELECTOR CITY 

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RATES, THERE ARE CATEGORIES OF 

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CUSTOMER CLASSIFICATION CALLED 

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HIGH DEMAND SERVICE BUT YOU MAY 

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SEE SOME OF THE DATA CENTERS 

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THAT EXIST TODAY COMING IN UNDER

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THOSE DEFINITIONS. 

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FUNDAMENTALLY, THERE IS A LACK 

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OF SPECIFICITY REGARDING DATA 

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CENTERS, AND IN PARTICULAR, THE 

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FACT THAT THERE ARE A RANGE OF 

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FACILITY TYPES THAT MAY BE 

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CALLED DATA CENTERS. I THINK 

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THAT WE HAVE ALL PROBABLY READ 

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IN THE NEWS REGARDING VERY 

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LARGE-SCALE DATA CENTERS THAT 

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ARE PRIMARILY LOCATED IN RURAL 

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AREAS. HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT THE 

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ONLY FORM THAT THIS LAND-USE 

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TAKES. IT CAN BE STACKED, IT CAN

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BE SPRAWLING, IT CAN BE LARGE OR

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SMALL. SO, THE EQUIPMENT WITHIN 

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CAN ALSO VARY SIGNIFICANTLY 

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BASED ON WHETHER CLOUD COMPUTING

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AND A.I. ACTIONS ARE TAKING 

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PLACE. I SAY ACTIONS, BUT 

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BASICALLY WHETHER THERE IS 

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ONGOING COMPUTING ACTIVITY 

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VERSUS PURE DATA STORAGE. SO, 

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THAT CAN REALLY HAVE AN EFFECT 

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ON WHAT KINDS OF EQUIPMENT AND 

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SPECIAL NEEDS AND INFRASTRUCTURE

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ARE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE 

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EQUIPMENT. SO, WE HEAR ABOUT 

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IMPACTS, WHETHER THEY ARE 

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LIKELY, POSSIBLE, PROBABLE, OR 

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IMPROBABLE, CERTAINLY, 

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ELLIPTICAL CAPACITY , WATER USE 

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AND UTILITY RATES ARE FACTORS 

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THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. 

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ADDITIONALLY, LAND-USE AND JOB 

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DENSITY, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW

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THIS USE COULD CONTRIBUTE OR NOT

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TO THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT ARE ALL

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AREAS THAT ARE WORTHY OF 

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CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE 

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FORWARD. 

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>> IS A GREAT SETUP TO TALK 

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ABOUT THE RESOLUTION. 

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COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ IS THE 

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SPONSOR OF THIS RESOLUTION. I 

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DON'T WANT TO STEP ON YOUR 

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TOES. GREAT. THE RESOLUTION IS 

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DRAFTED AND WILL COME TO YOU ALL

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IN THE COMING DAYS. IT DOES 

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ADDRESS THESE IMPACTS, FOR 

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ELECTOR CITY, JOBS, WATER, 

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POLLUTION. THE POLLUTION CAN 

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ENCOMPASS THINGS LIKE, IN 

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ADDITION TO HEATING, WATER, 

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NOISE POLLUTION , THINGS THAT 

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HAVE TO DO WITH GREENHOUSE 

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GASES, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF 

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IMPACTS THAT HAVE BEEN 

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IDENTIFIED AND STUDIED 

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NATIONWIDE THAT CAN COME FROM 

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DATA CENTERS, SO THE RESOLUTION 

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SPECIFIES THOSE AS DRAFTED, NOW,

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AS POTENTIAL IMPACTS. THE IDEA 

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IS TO HAVE THIS RESOLUTION BE 

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CONCURRENT, AND THAT IT WOULD 

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ESTABLISH A BASIS FOR COUNCIL TO

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GO FORWARD WITH A POLICY 

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STATEMENT THAT THESE THINGS 

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MATTER, TO BE STUDIED, AND TO 

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DEVELOP POLICY GUIDELINES, THAT 

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WOULD GUIDE THE CITY'S 

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DECISIONS ON BUDGET INTO THE 

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FUTURE , AS DRAFTED, IT ALSO 

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DOES POINT TO EXPECTATION FOR 

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RATES FOR DATA CENTERS AND 

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LEGISLATION COMING LATER THIS 

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SUMMER. IT DOES ALSO POINTED TO 

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THIS MORATORIUM, THE ORDINANCE 

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THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF TODAY'S 

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CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF THE 

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BASIC PIECES OF THE RESOLUTION. 

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>> I THINK WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR 

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OF THE LAND-USE MORATORIUM, BUT 

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AS A REMINDER, IT CAN BE SIX 

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MONTHS OR ONE YEAR AND IT CAN BE

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EXTENDED. THE MORATORIUM THAT 

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COUNCILMEMBER LIN IS SPONSORING 

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IS DRAFTED TO LAST ONE YEAR 

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WHICH FOLLOWS THE WORKPLAN 

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ATTACHED . IT DOES REQUIRE 

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PUBLIC COMMENT BUT THAT CAN 

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OCCUR AFTER ACTION. IS IMPORTANT

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TO UNDERSTAND THAT NO NEW 

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LAND-USE PERMITS WOULD BE 

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ACCEPTED WHILE THE MORATORIUM IS

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IN EFFECT, AND IT IS SOMETHING 

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THAT GOES INTO EFFECT 

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IMMEDIATELY. HOWEVER, THAT DOES 

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NOT MEAN THAT IF AN APPLICATION 

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COMES IN BEFORE THAT TIME, THAT 

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IT WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO BE 

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REVIEWED. DOES NOT HOLD THE 

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REVIEW OF ONGOING PROJECTS, BUT 

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ONLY PREVENTS NEW LAND-USE 

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APPLICATIONS FROM BEING 

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ACCEPTED. AND SO, A REALLY 

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IMPORTANT PART OF THIS WORK, I 

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THINK, FOR THE COUNCIL , AND TO 

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SOME EXTENT THE EXECUTIVE 

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DEPARTMENT AS WELL, IS TO LAY 

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OUT A WORKPLAN FOR , YOU KNOW, 

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HOW THE CITY WANTS TO MOVE 

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FORWARD WITH DATA CENTERS IN THE

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LAND-USE CODE SPECIFICALLY. AND 

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HOW WE WANT TO REGULATE THOSE. 

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IN THE COMING DAYS , HOWEVER, 

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MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED INTO THE

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DIFFERENT POSSIBLE DEFINITIONS 

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OF DATA CENTERS INCLUDING 

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DIFFERENTIATING BITE-SIZE. THEY 

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CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT 

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ACROSS DIFFERENT RANGES OF 

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SIZES. THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT

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EXIST TODAY THAT WERE ALSO STATE

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LAWS THAT WERE ATTEMPTED IN THIS

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LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THAT 

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DID NOT END UP PASSING. IN TERMS

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OF ALIGNMENT WITH EXISTING STATE

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LAW, THERE IS NOTHING LAND-USE 

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SPECIFIC, BUT DATA CENTERS DO 

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OCCUR IN STATE LAWS IN OTHER 

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SITUATIONS. IN THIS NEXT 

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UPCOMING SESSION THAT WOULD BE 

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IMPORTANT. AND AS YOU CAN 

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IMAGINE, BEST PRACTICES FOR 

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MONITORING ELECTOR CITY AND 

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WATER USAGE , AND OF COURSE, THE

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KEY PIECE TO A MORATORIUM IS 

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ZONING AND DEVELOPING STANDARDS,

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SO THAT WHEN THE MORATORIUM IS 

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LIFTED, WE HAVE REGULATIONS IN 

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PLACE THAT HELP US FEEL 

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CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE REGULATING

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THIS LAND-USE APPROPRIATELY. 

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SOMETHING TO EXPLORE, AS A PART 

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OF THE WORKPLAN IS THE IDEA OF 

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COMMUNITY BENEFITS. WHAT CAN THE

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CITY ACTUALLY RECEIVE AS A 

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BENEFIT, IF A LARGE-SCALE DATA 

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CENTER IS SLATED TO DEVELOP 

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WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SO, YOU 

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SEE SOME IDEAS ON HERE, THERE 

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ARE MORE IDEAS IN THE WORKPLAN, 

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AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE

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CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF HOW TO 

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WORK WITH THE PRIVATE SIDE. 

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GETTING THESE TWO REALLY WORK 

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FOR COMMUNITY. THE MAYOR DID 

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HAVE A PRESS RELEASE, AND 

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INDICATED AN INTEREST IN AN 

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ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AS WELL

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AS OTHER PIECES OF THE PUZZLE SO

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WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE 

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ARE COORDINATING AND 

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UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE PUBLIC

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COMMENTS THAT SPOKE TO THE 

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BENEFITS OF DATA CENTERS AND HOW

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THEY AFFECT OUR ECONOMY. SO, 

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KEEPING IN MIND THOSE THINGS AND

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ALIGNING OUR REGULATIONS WITH 

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THOSE. WITH THAT, I THINK THAT 

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IS ALL THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU 

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TODAY. WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER 

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QUESTIONS OR SUPPORT THE 

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DISCUSSION, HOWEVER YOU WILL SEE

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FIT. 

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>> THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, ANY 

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QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ?

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>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AS YOU 

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KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON 

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THIS FOR A WHILE. WE HAVE BEEN 

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GIVING YOU SOME ADDITIONAL 

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INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE 

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DISCOVERED IN THE CONFERENCES WE

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HAVE ATTENDED AND WEBINARS, BUT 

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MORE RECENTLY, I GAVE YOU THE 

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COPY OF THE LAW THAT WAS PASSED 

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IN NEW YORK REGARDING DATA 

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CENTERS. SO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE

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LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN DECEMBER 

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OF 2025, A.I. SAFETY BILL , THE 

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RAYS ACT WHICH STANDS FOR 

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RESPONSIBLE A.I. SAFETY, 

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EDUCATION ACT, ONE OF THE THINGS

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-- THERE ARE 8.2 IT. EVERYONE 

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CAN GET ONLINE AND LOOK, BUT ONE

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OF THE THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT 

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UP , BESIDES GOING THROUGH ALL 

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THE ISSUES OF PROTECTING KIDS 

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AND TAKING BACK CONTROL OF DATA,

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DEFECTS, ONE THING IS ZEROED IN 

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ON WAS DATA CENTER INVESTMENT 

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ARE FOR PEOPLE. HE TALKED ABOUT 

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THIS IN THE FIVE OR SIX POINTS 

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THAT COME ON LATER. WE WILL GET 

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TO THE PROTECTING AND SUPPORTING

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WORKERS, BUT, HOW WOULD IT LOOK 

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-- ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED

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ABOUT IS MAKING DATA CENTER 

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INVESTMENTS FOR PEOPLE. WE CAN 

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TALK ABOUT INVESTMENTS AND 

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BRICK-AND-MORTAR, AND LABOR, BUT

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THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS 

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AGREEMENT, WOULD THAT BE AKIN TO

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WHAT WE DO WITH PARKS, WHERE WE 

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HAVE CONTRACTS WITH PUBLIC MEGA 

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CONTRACTS , WHAT DOES THE PUBLIC

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GET OUT OF IT? IS THAT HOW YOU 

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WOULD FOR SEE WHAT A COMMUNITY 

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BENEFITS AGREEMENT CONTRACT 

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WOULD LOOK LIKE? 

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>> I THINK IT IS WORTHY OF MORE 

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EXPLORATION BUT I DON'T HAVE A 

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PAT ANSWER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW BUT

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I CAN SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME 

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THINGS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE

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FROM A LAND USE AND ZONING 

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PERSPECTIVE, TO SAY, TO BE HERE 

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AT ALL THESE ARE THE 

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REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST BE IN 

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PLACE BUT THEN THERE IS PROBABLY

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A DIFFERENT AVENUE, WHICH COULD 

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BE A COMMUNITY BENEFITS 

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AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, 

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WHICH WOULD BE MORE VOLUNTARY 

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MEASURES. I THINK DEPENDING ON 

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WHICH KIND OF POWER THE CITY 

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WANTS TO USE, THERE WOULD BE 

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DIFFERENT ROUTES TO POTENTIALLY 

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GET A DIFFERENT BENEFITS BECAUSE

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THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT THE 

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CITY IS INTERESTED IN FOCUSING 

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IN AS A CROSS SUPPORT 

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STANDARDIZED APPROACH, THIS 

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WOULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE 

513
00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:02,241
FOR REGULATION. COMMITTEE 

514
00:19:02,241 --> 00:19:03,308
BENEFITS MIGHT BE MORE OF A 

515
00:19:03,308 --> 00:19:03,809
VOLUNTARY APPROACH. 

516
00:19:03,809 --> 00:19:04,076
>> OKAY. 

517
00:19:04,076 --> 00:19:05,110
>> CHAIR, CAN I FOLLOW-UP? 

518
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:05,978
>> PLEASE. 

519
00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:09,781
>> WITHOUT GOING INTO ALL EIGHT 

520
00:19:09,781 --> 00:19:11,183
POINTS OF WHAT WE KNOW THAT YOU 

521
00:19:11,183 --> 00:19:12,217
NEW YORK HAS ALREADY PASSED, 

522
00:19:12,217 --> 00:19:13,218
WHICH IS PRETTY AMAZING AND 

523
00:19:13,218 --> 00:19:15,053
REALLY DRILL DOWN ON SOME OF THE

524
00:19:15,053 --> 00:19:18,490
ISSUES. WE ARE TRACKING THOSE 

525
00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:23,395
BILLS IN OLYMPIA AND I THINK 

526
00:19:23,395 --> 00:19:24,796
THERE WERE LIKE 12 BILLS AND TWO

527
00:19:24,796 --> 00:19:26,265
PAST. JUST SO I CAN PUT INTO 

528
00:19:26,265 --> 00:19:28,267
CONTEXT, MAINLY FOR MYSELF, AND 

529
00:19:28,267 --> 00:19:29,301
PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO PAYING 

530
00:19:29,301 --> 00:19:31,503
ATTENTION TO THIS, AMAZON IS NOW

531
00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:38,010
BETTING 200 BILLION ON A.I.. 

532
00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:39,811
AND, MICROSOFT IS GOING TO SPEND

533
00:19:39,811 --> 00:19:44,716
190 BILLION ON A.I.. AS WE ALL 

534
00:19:44,716 --> 00:19:46,718
KNOW, IT IS NO SECRET, THEY ARE 

535
00:19:46,718 --> 00:19:50,222
HERE. SO, ON THEIR CLOUD REVENUE

536
00:19:50,222 --> 00:19:51,190
ALONE, FOR AMAZON AND MICROSOFT,

537
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:56,495
AMAZON HAS MADE $37 BILLION, 28%

538
00:19:56,495 --> 00:20:06,171
INCREASE AND MICROSOFT, 34 

539
00:20:06,171 --> 00:20:07,339
BILLION, A 30% INCREASE. I AM 

540
00:20:07,339 --> 00:20:08,440
NOT SAYING THAT TO SOUND LIKE 

541
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,841
THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE ROOM,

542
00:20:09,841 --> 00:20:11,343
BUT MY POINT IS, THERE IS A LOT 

543
00:20:11,343 --> 00:20:12,411
OF MONEY HERE, AND NO 

544
00:20:12,411 --> 00:20:13,378
REGULATION. THERE IS NO NATIONAL

545
00:20:13,378 --> 00:20:16,815
STANDARD, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A 

546
00:20:16,815 --> 00:20:18,016
DEFINITION FOR DATA CENTER. SO I

547
00:20:18,016 --> 00:20:19,251
WANT TO COMMEND THE CHAIR FOR 

548
00:20:19,251 --> 00:20:20,118
PUTTING FORWARD THIS MORATORIUM,

549
00:20:20,118 --> 00:20:21,486
AND I AM GUESSING THAT THE CHAIR

550
00:20:21,486 --> 00:20:22,721
WILL BE USING THIS AS A 

551
00:20:22,721 --> 00:20:23,989
WORKGROUP TO DRILL DOWN ON SOME 

552
00:20:23,989 --> 00:20:24,990
OF THESE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES. 

553
00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:25,924
NOT JUST THE ENVIRONMENT THE 

554
00:20:25,924 --> 00:20:27,859
ONES. I AM REALLY CONCERNED , AS

555
00:20:27,859 --> 00:20:30,128
I AM SURE EVERYONE ELSE IS, , 

556
00:20:30,128 --> 00:20:33,031
ABOUT SUPPORTING AND PROTECTING 

557
00:20:33,031 --> 00:20:36,301
WORKERS. WHETHER WE DO -- WHAT 

558
00:20:36,301 --> 00:20:37,536
TYPE OF RETRAINING WE DO. AND 

559
00:20:37,536 --> 00:20:40,739
ALSO LOOKING AT STILL KEEPING 

560
00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:42,140
SEATTLE COMPETITIVE IN THE TECH 

561
00:20:42,140 --> 00:20:43,675
INDUSTRY WITHOUT DISPLACING SOME

562
00:20:43,675 --> 00:20:46,278
OF OUR LARGEST ECONOMIC ENGINES 

563
00:20:46,278 --> 00:20:48,080
AND EMPLOYERS. AND BUILDING THE 

564
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:54,386
KIND OF CAPACITY -- AND WHERE WE

565
00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:55,787
BUILD THAT AT, WHEN WE BUILD THE

566
00:20:55,787 --> 00:20:56,855
CAPACITY TO ADDRESS A.I. WITHIN 

567
00:20:56,855 --> 00:20:58,023
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT AND SPU, HOW 

568
00:20:58,023 --> 00:20:59,458
WOULD THAT LOOK IF IT WERE TO 

569
00:20:59,458 --> 00:21:00,659
LAND IN A PARTICULAR CITY 

570
00:21:00,659 --> 00:21:03,295
DEPARTMENT, OR IS IT A FOREGONE 

571
00:21:03,295 --> 00:21:10,402
CONCLUSION THAT IT WOULD LAND ON

572
00:21:10,402 --> 00:21:10,969
CITY LIGHT? 

573
00:21:10,969 --> 00:21:12,671
>> IN MY OPINION IT WOULD BE AN 

574
00:21:12,671 --> 00:21:13,305
INTERDEPARTMENTAL EFFORT THAT 

575
00:21:13,305 --> 00:21:17,209
WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS A 

576
00:21:17,209 --> 00:21:18,910
RANGE OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND 

577
00:21:18,910 --> 00:21:19,544
BENEFITS AND CONSIDERATIONS. FOR

578
00:21:19,544 --> 00:21:20,545
THE CITY TO REALLY FIGURE OUT 

579
00:21:20,545 --> 00:21:21,847
HOW TO EMBRACE AND MOVE FORWARD 

580
00:21:21,847 --> 00:21:25,484
WITH THIS NOVEL USE . THAT IS 

581
00:21:25,484 --> 00:21:26,451
JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT I 

582
00:21:26,451 --> 00:21:27,753
BELIEVE IN INTERDEPARTMENTAL 

583
00:21:27,753 --> 00:21:30,055
EFFORT THAT WOULD BE WARRANTED. 

584
00:21:30,055 --> 00:21:31,990
>> I WILL SAY SOMETHING, MAYBE 

585
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:38,297
-- I DON'T THINK IT IS NOVEL. I

586
00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:39,765
THINK IT IS THE SHAPE OF THINGS 

587
00:21:39,765 --> 00:21:41,533
TO COME. I THINK IT WILL CHANGE 

588
00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:41,967
EVERYTHING, FROM MY 

589
00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:42,734
UNDERSTANDING BUT I COULD BE 

590
00:21:42,734 --> 00:21:43,935
COMPLETE AARON. I AM GLAD THAT 

591
00:21:43,935 --> 00:21:45,137
THE CHAIR HAS SEEN THAT, AND 

592
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:48,173
THAT WE ARE TRYING TO STOP IT 

593
00:21:48,173 --> 00:21:49,474
WITH A MORATORIUM IN THE 

594
00:21:49,474 --> 00:21:52,644
RESOLUTION, TO MAKE IT A PART OF

595
00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:57,215
THE CITY FAMILY DEPARTMENT 

596
00:21:57,215 --> 00:21:58,183
SOMEWHERE THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING

597
00:21:58,183 --> 00:21:59,184
ATTENTION, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE 

598
00:21:59,184 --> 00:22:02,020
PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY

599
00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:02,988
TO EXPLAIN TO US, POLICYMAKERS, 

600
00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:05,023
HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK FOR OUR 

601
00:22:05,023 --> 00:22:08,560
CITY AND PROTECT THE 

602
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,127
ENVIRONMENT, AND PROTECT 

603
00:22:09,127 --> 00:22:10,162
WORKERS. AND I'M NOT JUST 

604
00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:11,163
TALKING ABOUT THE BRICK AND 

605
00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:12,631
MORTAR OF A DATA CENTER PER SE, 

606
00:22:12,631 --> 00:22:13,832
I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 

607
00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:14,633
WATER USAGE, MY UNDERSTANDING 

608
00:22:14,633 --> 00:22:18,136
IS, OBVIOUSLY THESE COSTS WILL 

609
00:22:18,136 --> 00:22:19,471
NOT BE PASSED ON TO RATEPAYERS 

610
00:22:19,471 --> 00:22:22,941
AND OTHER ISSUES. I LOOK FORWARD

611
00:22:22,941 --> 00:22:24,142
TO SEEING, CHAIR, HOW YOU HANDLE

612
00:22:24,142 --> 00:22:25,410
THIS, AND HOPEFULLY I WILL BE 

613
00:22:25,410 --> 00:22:26,611
AROUND FOR SIX MORE MONTHS TO 

614
00:22:26,611 --> 00:22:29,514
HELP OUT BUT THANK YOU. 

615
00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:30,282
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER 

616
00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:35,253
JUAREZ. COUNCIL MEMBER KETTLE? 

617
00:22:35,253 --> 00:22:36,154
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU 

618
00:22:36,154 --> 00:22:37,189
FOR LETTING ME JOIN LAND-USE 

619
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:38,390
COMMITTEE. I AM NOT ON THE 

620
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:39,624
COMMITTEE, BUT I THINK IT IS 

621
00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:41,093
IMPORTANT COME OF THE FACT THAT 

622
00:22:41,093 --> 00:22:41,660
-- 

623
00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:45,764
>> I AM A GUEST, TOO. STATES 

624
00:22:45,764 --> 00:22:47,499
THAT LIES AT THE YES. BUT 

625
00:22:47,499 --> 00:22:48,467
IMPORTANTLY, COUNCILMEMBER 

626
00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:54,039
JUAREZ IS CHAIR JUAREZ, AND I AM

627
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:55,040
A VICE CHAIR OF THE PARKS AND 

628
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,841
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT COMMITTEE. 

629
00:22:55,841 --> 00:22:57,476
AND THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT FOR 

630
00:22:57,476 --> 00:23:00,545
THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE AND 

631
00:23:00,545 --> 00:23:01,680
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT COMMUNITY TO 

632
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,782
BE WORKING TOGETHER. TO WORK 

633
00:23:03,782 --> 00:23:05,450
THROUGH THESE THINGS. SO, I 

634
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:12,257
SECOND MY COMMITTEE CHAIR 

635
00:23:12,257 --> 00:23:13,258
REMARKS ABOUT THE DUE DILIGENCE 

636
00:23:13,258 --> 00:23:14,726
A PIECE OF THIS. WE NEED TO WALK

637
00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:15,961
THROUGH THIS, WE CANNOT BE DOING

638
00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:16,795
ANY KNEE-JERK REACTIONS. THE 

639
00:23:16,795 --> 00:23:18,597
STAKES ARE TOO BIG. AND, IT IS 

640
00:23:18,597 --> 00:23:22,901
REALLY IMPORTANT, TOO, FOR OUR 

641
00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:23,902
CURRENT DATA CENTERS BUT I 

642
00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:25,003
DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE REALIZE

643
00:23:25,003 --> 00:23:26,304
THAT WE HAVE THEM IN SEATTLE 

644
00:23:26,304 --> 00:23:27,205
ALREADY. I WILL BE VISITING 

645
00:23:27,205 --> 00:23:28,607
SOON, AND HERE'S THE THING, IT 

646
00:23:28,607 --> 00:23:30,642
IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER

647
00:23:30,642 --> 00:23:33,044
OF DIFFERENT REASONS. IT IS 

648
00:23:33,044 --> 00:23:33,812
IMPORTANT FOR BUSINESSES, HERE, 

649
00:23:33,812 --> 00:23:36,848
IT IS IMPORTANT HIM ALSO, FOR 

650
00:23:36,848 --> 00:23:43,822
THE NEED TO SHOW STABILITY . THE

651
00:23:43,822 --> 00:23:44,856
CHALLENGE WE ARE CREATING FOR 

652
00:23:44,856 --> 00:23:45,624
OUR LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY, 

653
00:23:45,624 --> 00:23:46,825
BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN 

654
00:23:46,825 --> 00:23:48,026
OLYMPIA OR THE COUNTY, OR EVEN 

655
00:23:48,026 --> 00:23:49,060
WITH US, IS THE INSTABILITY 

656
00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:50,061
RELATED TO TAX POLICY, BUDGET 

657
00:23:50,061 --> 00:23:51,329
QUESTIONS AND THE LIKE, AND WE 

658
00:23:51,329 --> 00:23:53,331
DO NOT NEED TO BE ADDING ANY 

659
00:23:53,331 --> 00:23:59,871
MORE INSTABILITY TO THE BUSINESS

660
00:23:59,871 --> 00:24:01,006
CLIMATE ENVIRONMENT AND WE NEED 

661
00:24:01,006 --> 00:24:02,340
TO BE SMART ABOUT THIS. SO THE 

662
00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:03,074
STABILITY PIECE IS REALLY 

663
00:24:03,074 --> 00:24:03,909
IMPORTANT REGARDING THE CURRENT 

664
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:06,745
DATA CENTERS THAT WE HAVE. AND, 

665
00:24:06,745 --> 00:24:07,979
BY THE WAY, ALSO IMPORTANT FOR 

666
00:24:07,979 --> 00:24:09,014
THE DEPARTMENT. I DON'T THINK 

667
00:24:09,014 --> 00:24:10,515
PEOPLE REALIZE THIS, BUT THE 

668
00:24:10,515 --> 00:24:12,584
HEAT FROM THE DATA CENTER I AM 

669
00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:14,252
THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE 

670
00:24:14,252 --> 00:24:15,487
HEAT IS BASICALLY LIKE HALF A 

671
00:24:15,487 --> 00:24:16,822
DOZEN BUILDINGS. PEOPLE DON'T 

672
00:24:16,822 --> 00:24:20,358
REALIZE THE BENEFITS THAT YOU 

673
00:24:20,358 --> 00:24:21,726
GET FROM SOME OF THESE THINGS. 

674
00:24:21,726 --> 00:24:22,761
SO, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO WALK 

675
00:24:22,761 --> 00:24:23,795
THROUGH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT 

676
00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:25,730
PIECES AND BE SURE THAT WE ARE 

677
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:27,399
NOT CUTTING OUR NOSE TO SPITE 

678
00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:30,936
OUR FACE OR WHATEVER KIND OF 

679
00:24:30,936 --> 00:24:32,304
PHRASE YOU WANT TO USE. AS I 

680
00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:33,772
LIKE TO SAY, WE DON'T NEED TO 

681
00:24:33,772 --> 00:24:35,874
BE STEPPING ON A RAKE. WE NEED 

682
00:24:35,874 --> 00:24:38,610
TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE, FROM A 

683
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:39,444
LAND-USE PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO 

684
00:24:39,444 --> 00:24:40,479
FROM A CITY LIGHT PERSPECTIVE. 

685
00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:43,615
THE DEMAND SIGNAL, AND ALREADY 

686
00:24:43,615 --> 00:24:44,482
GROWING DEMAND FOR OUR CITY 

687
00:24:44,482 --> 00:24:46,585
LIGHT IS IMPORTANT. AND WITH 

688
00:24:46,585 --> 00:24:47,786
THAT POINT, CHAIR, I ALSO WANT 

689
00:24:47,786 --> 00:24:48,987
TO NOTE THAT WE NEED LEADERSHIP 

690
00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:56,361
AT THIS CRITICAL TIME, IN THIS 

691
00:24:56,361 --> 00:24:57,262
PERIOD OF INCREDIBLE CHALLENGE. 

692
00:24:57,262 --> 00:24:58,363
YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT IN 

693
00:24:58,363 --> 00:24:59,798
AGREEMENTS IN TERMS OF POWER 

694
00:24:59,798 --> 00:25:00,765
GENERATION, WELL, DISTRICT 7 IS 

695
00:25:00,765 --> 00:25:01,800
HURTING TERRIBLY RIGHT NOW, IN 

696
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,968
TERMS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH 

697
00:25:02,968 --> 00:25:08,106
THE CABLE SYSTEM. THE INFRA 

698
00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:09,341
STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW

699
00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:10,542
IS HURTING. SO, FOR THE PEOPLE 

700
00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:11,343
IN DISTRICT 7, PARTICULARLY 

701
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:12,777
CLEAN AND IN THE SOUTH SLOPE, 

702
00:25:12,777 --> 00:25:13,445
CONSTANTLY HAVING POWER OUTAGES.

703
00:25:13,445 --> 00:25:15,180
CONSTANTLY HAVING POWER OUTAGES.

704
00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:17,215
AND IT IS IMPACTING ACROSS THE 

705
00:25:17,215 --> 00:25:19,518
BOARD. IS IMPACTING THE 

706
00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:20,819
RESIDENTS, IT IS IMPACTING THE 

707
00:25:20,819 --> 00:25:23,154
BUSINESSES , AND IT NEEDS TO BE 

708
00:25:23,154 --> 00:25:24,322
DEALT WITH. AND SO, ON THAT 

709
00:25:24,322 --> 00:25:28,326
FRONT, ON THAT POINT, I HAVE TO 

710
00:25:28,326 --> 00:25:31,563
SAY, THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE 

711
00:25:31,563 --> 00:25:35,033
NEED THE HEAD OF SEATTLE CITY 

712
00:25:35,033 --> 00:25:36,201
LIGHT. IT SHOWS THAT WE NEED 

713
00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:38,670
LEADERSHIP NOW. AND WE HAD A 

714
00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:43,808
VARSITY , NATIONAL LEVEL TOP 

715
00:25:43,808 --> 00:25:45,176
PERSON IN CHARGE OF SEATTLE CITY

716
00:25:45,176 --> 00:25:48,947
LIGHT BUT THEN SHE WAS LET GO. 

717
00:25:48,947 --> 00:25:49,881
THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS HAVE 

718
00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:51,283
IMPACT ON OUR CITY. PARTICULARLY

719
00:25:51,283 --> 00:25:53,151
IN THIS CHALLENGE. WHETHER IT IS

720
00:25:53,151 --> 00:25:57,856
DATA CENTERS OR BURIED CABLE IN 

721
00:25:57,856 --> 00:25:58,857
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, LABOR 

722
00:25:58,857 --> 00:26:00,025
AGREEMENTS, BUILDING NEW 

723
00:26:00,025 --> 00:26:05,697
GENERATION , CONTRACTING FOR 

724
00:26:05,697 --> 00:26:09,267
GREATER CAPACITY, IT IS 

725
00:26:09,267 --> 00:26:12,637
INCREDIBLE. WE SHOULD HAVE 

726
00:26:12,637 --> 00:26:16,808
TOP-NOTCH LEADERSHIP WE HAD 

727
00:26:16,808 --> 00:26:17,442
TOP-NOTCH LEADERSHIP WITH 

728
00:26:17,442 --> 00:26:18,610
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT, AND THIS IS 

729
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:19,778
A FAILURE OF OUR CITY, RIGHT 

730
00:26:19,778 --> 00:26:20,612
NOW. THANK YOU, CHAIR. 

731
00:26:20,612 --> 00:26:21,947
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER 

732
00:26:21,947 --> 00:26:23,515
KETTLE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT 

733
00:26:23,515 --> 00:26:27,285
HOLLINGSWORTH? 

734
00:26:27,285 --> 00:26:28,653
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK 

735
00:26:28,653 --> 00:26:31,423
YOU FOR YOUR TEAM, FOR YOUR WORK

736
00:26:31,423 --> 00:26:34,593
ON THIS, AND COUNCILMEMBER 

737
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:35,794
JUAREZ, FOR YOUR RESOLUTION ON 

738
00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:43,702
THIS. AS WELL. I DO WANT TO SAY,

739
00:26:43,702 --> 00:26:44,603
BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS 

740
00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:45,604
CONFUSION OUT THERE, PEOPLE DO 

741
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:46,838
KNOW THAT THERE ARE DATA CENTERS

742
00:26:46,838 --> 00:26:51,743
THAT ARE IN SEATTLE, AND THAT 

743
00:26:51,743 --> 00:26:52,711
THEY ARE OPERATING. SOME PEOPLE 

744
00:26:52,711 --> 00:26:53,712
DIDN'T KNOW, THANK YOU FOR 

745
00:26:53,712 --> 00:26:56,348
THAT. BUT, I THINK THAT IS WHY I

746
00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:57,148
WAS SUPPORTIVE TALKING TO 

747
00:26:57,148 --> 00:26:58,016
COUNCIL MEMBER LIN, IN 

748
00:26:58,016 --> 00:27:05,056
UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE 

749
00:27:05,056 --> 00:27:05,890
CONSTRAINTS, SOME OF THE PIECES 

750
00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:09,227
OF THE MORATORIUM WHICH, CORRECT

751
00:27:09,227 --> 00:27:13,431
ME IF I AM WRONG, THERE ARE DATA

752
00:27:13,431 --> 00:27:22,841
CENTERS OPERATING IN SEATTLE, 

753
00:27:22,841 --> 00:27:24,309
SOME OF THEM UP TO 25 MEGAWATTS,

754
00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:25,710
THERE ARE SOME DATA CENTERS 

755
00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:26,311
THERE, THOSE ARE SMALLER, 25 

756
00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:27,345
MEGAWATTS ARE CONSIDERED 

757
00:27:27,345 --> 00:27:29,547
SMALL-SCALE. 50 IS MADE, AND 

758
00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:31,449
THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT GO OVER

759
00:27:31,449 --> 00:27:33,652
100 MEGAWATTS . FROM MY 

760
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:38,556
PERSPECTIVE, THIS ISN'T COUNCIL

761
00:27:38,556 --> 00:27:41,092
VERSUS A.I., THERE IS NONE OF 

762
00:27:41,092 --> 00:27:44,062
THAT. THIS WAS , PARTICULARLY 

763
00:27:44,062 --> 00:27:48,800
FOR ME, THE RESOURCES THAT CAN 

764
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,971
BE GENERALLY CONSUMED BY LARGER 

765
00:27:52,971 --> 00:27:54,205
DATA CENTERS, WHETHER IT IS 

766
00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:55,807
ELECTRICITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE 

767
00:27:55,807 --> 00:27:57,075
THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN 

768
00:27:57,075 --> 00:27:59,911
SEATTLE, THE OUTAGES THAT ARE 

769
00:27:59,911 --> 00:28:03,648
BECOMING MORE FREQUENT , THAT I 

770
00:28:03,648 --> 00:28:05,583
HAVE SEEN IN DISTRICT 3 AND 

771
00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:06,618
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT ARE 

772
00:28:06,618 --> 00:28:10,522
NOT EVEN MORE FREQUENT, BUT ALSO

773
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:14,125
LONGER, TO GET BACK ONLINE FROM 

774
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:18,096
RESIDENTS, WHICH IS KEY. THE 

775
00:28:18,096 --> 00:28:19,264
FREQUENCY GOES OUT, ONE OR TWO 

776
00:28:19,264 --> 00:28:20,465
HOURS HAPPENS, BUT PEOPLE ARE 

777
00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:22,033
TALKING ABOUT TWO AND THREE DAYS

778
00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:25,670
WITHOUT POWER. IN THE INFRA 

779
00:28:25,670 --> 00:28:26,404
STRUCTURE, AND HOW THAT 

780
00:28:26,404 --> 00:28:29,407
CORRELATES WITH OUR USE, AND 

781
00:28:29,407 --> 00:28:35,713
WEAR AND TEAR OF THE INFRA 

782
00:28:35,713 --> 00:28:36,948
STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN 

783
00:28:36,948 --> 00:28:38,416
OUR CITY. SO, THAT IS WHERE, I 

784
00:28:38,416 --> 00:28:39,718
KNOW THAT TALKING TO THE CHAIR, 

785
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:40,752
I'M TRYING TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL

786
00:28:40,752 --> 00:28:41,920
MEMBER LIN, BUT JUST THE 

787
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,554
CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD, 

788
00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:43,588
COMING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, OF

789
00:28:43,588 --> 00:28:44,622
THE INFRA STRUCTURE PIECE, AND 

790
00:28:44,622 --> 00:28:46,424
HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH 

791
00:28:46,424 --> 00:28:48,860
SPU TO UNDERSTAND THE WATER 

792
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:53,431
USAGE, PARTICULARLY , AND THE 

793
00:28:53,431 --> 00:28:54,399
EXPENSE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES 

794
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:55,834
OF WAYS OF COOLING DOWN, WHETHER

795
00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:56,968
IT IS JUST SUBMERGING, OR THE 

796
00:28:56,968 --> 00:28:59,037
HEAT IS BEING TRANSFERRED, WHAT 

797
00:28:59,037 --> 00:29:00,371
HAVE YOU, JUST UNDERSTANDING 

798
00:29:00,371 --> 00:29:07,178
ABOUT THE WATER PIECE, AS WELL ,

799
00:29:07,178 --> 00:29:08,379
AND THEN, I DO UNDERSTAND, AND 

800
00:29:08,379 --> 00:29:09,414
PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN 

801
00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:13,084
PUBLIC,, TALKED ABOUT THE JOBS 

802
00:29:13,084 --> 00:29:14,219
AND ECONOMY, WHICH I TOTALLY 

803
00:29:14,219 --> 00:29:15,954
GET. I THINK THAT IS WHY THE 

804
00:29:15,954 --> 00:29:18,323
COUNCIL, THIS IS NOT A KNEE-JERK

805
00:29:18,323 --> 00:29:19,190
REACTION, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN 

806
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:20,125
TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS, 

807
00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:21,392
NOW. EVER SINCE LAST YEAR, SINCE

808
00:29:21,392 --> 00:29:26,731
I HAVE SEEN THE IMPACT OF MEGA 

809
00:29:26,731 --> 00:29:29,501
DATA CENTERS IN RURAL CITIES 

810
00:29:29,501 --> 00:29:32,604
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ONE OUTSIDE 

811
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,707
OF MEMPHIS HAS CAUSED A WHOLE 

812
00:29:35,707 --> 00:29:39,277
TOWN TO HAVE CANCER. IS A SMALL 

813
00:29:39,277 --> 00:29:40,879
BLACK TOWN AND BECAUSE THE DATA 

814
00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:43,148
CENTERS ARE RUN ON GENERATORS 

815
00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:44,282
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH 

816
00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:46,751
POWER. YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT 

817
00:29:46,751 --> 00:29:48,186
PEOPLE ARE SEEING. AND SO, JUST 

818
00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:49,921
BEING VERY INTENTIONAL. THAT IS 

819
00:29:49,921 --> 00:29:51,256
NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN SEATTLE

820
00:29:51,256 --> 00:29:53,158
IT IS VERY DIFFERENT, BUT, YOU 

821
00:29:53,158 --> 00:29:57,395
KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS

822
00:29:57,395 --> 00:30:04,769
TEMPORARY, AND THAT IS WHY I AM 

823
00:30:04,769 --> 00:30:05,603
SUPPORTIVE OF BEING INTENTIONAL 

824
00:30:05,603 --> 00:30:06,771
BEHIND SOME OF THE PIECES. I 

825
00:30:06,771 --> 00:30:08,139
JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I 

826
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:09,340
KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THAT

827
00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:10,208
HAVE TALKED ABOUT UNDERSTANDING,

828
00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:11,409
WE DON'T WANT TO CAP THE 

829
00:30:11,409 --> 00:30:12,243
CURRENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE 

830
00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:13,711
HERE, I GET IT, BUT WE ARE 

831
00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:15,146
TALKING ABOUT LARGE MEGA DATA 

832
00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:17,816
CENTERS THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT 

833
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:18,750
IMPACT THANK YOU, CHAIR ACTUALLY

834
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:20,385
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WORKING WITH

835
00:30:20,385 --> 00:30:23,421
CENTRAL STAFF, YOU KNOW, ASKING 

836
00:30:23,421 --> 00:30:24,189
MORE QUESTIONS AS WELL, AND THEN

837
00:30:24,189 --> 00:30:24,856
YOUR OFFICE, THANK YOU, CHAIR. 

838
00:30:24,856 --> 00:30:27,525
>> THANK YOU , COUNCIL MEMBER 

839
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:32,096
RICK? 

840
00:30:32,096 --> 00:30:33,298
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WILL 

841
00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:34,632
CHIME IN AS WELL TO VOICE MY 

842
00:30:34,632 --> 00:30:35,633
APPRECIATION TO YOU FOR BRINGING

843
00:30:35,633 --> 00:30:36,868
THIS FORWARD, AS WELL AS MY 

844
00:30:36,868 --> 00:30:38,036
APPRECIATION TO COUNCILMEMBER 

845
00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:41,439
JUAREZ, AND THE CITY LIGHT 

846
00:30:41,439 --> 00:30:42,207
CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ, 

847
00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:44,008
FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS 

848
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:45,009
SPACE, TRYING TO TACKLE THESE 

849
00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:46,211
ISSUES, THIS IS THE HOT TOPIC 

850
00:30:46,211 --> 00:30:48,580
RIGHT NOW, AND, THIS WORK IS 

851
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:52,750
MOVING QUICKLY. AND IT FEELS 

852
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:54,319
LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE SAW ALL

853
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:55,453
THE HEADLINES POPPING UP ACROSS 

854
00:30:55,453 --> 00:30:58,289
THE COUNTRY, AS COMMUNITIES ARE 

855
00:30:58,289 --> 00:30:59,190
GRAPPLING WITH DATA CENTERS 

856
00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:00,291
COMING TO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND 

857
00:31:00,291 --> 00:31:01,426
I WANT TO VOICE MY POSITION, AS 

858
00:31:01,426 --> 00:31:02,827
WELL, FOR COUNCIL PRESIDENT 

859
00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:10,368
HOLLINGSWORTH, FOR REALLY 

860
00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:11,069
CENTERING THE ENVIRONMENTAL 

861
00:31:11,069 --> 00:31:11,803
JUSTICE CONSIDERATIONS TO THIS 

862
00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:13,171
AND THE IMPACT THIS IS HAVING, 

863
00:31:13,171 --> 00:31:13,805
IS PROPORTIONATELY ON 

864
00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:14,639
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. AND SO, 

865
00:31:14,639 --> 00:31:15,840
THAT IS WHY THIS IS TREMENDOUSLY

866
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,875
IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS COMING 

867
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,476
BEFORE US AND WE MOVE WITH 

868
00:31:18,476 --> 00:31:24,182
URGENCY. AS MENTIONED, THERE ARE

869
00:31:24,182 --> 00:31:25,416
DATA CENTERS IN THE CITY OF 

870
00:31:25,416 --> 00:31:26,884
SEATTLE, HOW MANY DATA CENTERS 

871
00:31:26,884 --> 00:31:28,419
DO WE KNOW OF THAT ARE CURRENTLY

872
00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:31,522
IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE? 

873
00:31:31,522 --> 00:31:32,724
>> I'VE HEARD A FEW DIFFERENT 

874
00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:34,592
NUMBERS, SO I CANNOT VERIFY ONE 

875
00:31:34,592 --> 00:31:36,294
IN PARTICULAR. AT LEAST HALF A 

876
00:31:36,294 --> 00:31:39,197
DOZEN . PROBABLY MORE. 

877
00:31:39,197 --> 00:31:41,299
>> THAT IS HELPFUL , TO 

878
00:31:41,299 --> 00:31:45,103
UNDERSTAND. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW

879
00:31:45,103 --> 00:31:46,337
HOW WE GET CLARITY ON EXACTLY 

880
00:31:46,337 --> 00:31:47,338
HOW MANY WE CURRENTLY HAVE, 

881
00:31:47,338 --> 00:31:48,373
BECAUSE THIS IS CERTAINLY OF 

882
00:31:48,373 --> 00:31:51,175
INTEREST FOR THE PUBLIC . AS 

883
00:31:51,175 --> 00:31:52,210
WELL, AS THESE REQUESTS ARE 

884
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:57,315
COMING IN -- AND I KNOW, I 

885
00:31:57,315 --> 00:31:58,683
IMAGINE THAT WE ARE NOT THE ONLY

886
00:31:58,683 --> 00:31:59,517
JURISDICTION IN KING COUNTY 

887
00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:04,589
GRAPPLING WITH THIS. WHAT DO WE 

888
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:05,590
UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT ABOUT 

889
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:06,924
THE REQUEST AND MOVEMENT ON DATA

890
00:32:06,924 --> 00:32:07,659
CENTERS HAPPENING WITHIN KING 

891
00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:08,559
COUNTY, AND HOW OTHER 

892
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:09,260
JURISDICTIONS ARE RESPONDING? 

893
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:10,695
>> MY BEST ANSWER TO THAT IS 

894
00:32:10,695 --> 00:32:12,363
THAT IT IS A RESEARCH TOPIC THAT

895
00:32:12,363 --> 00:32:16,367
WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT. 

896
00:32:16,367 --> 00:32:18,202
THERE IS A WAY TO PUT IT, IT IS 

897
00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:19,237
REALLY WELL-SUITED TO THE TIME 

898
00:32:19,237 --> 00:32:24,208
THAT IS EARNED BY SOMETHING LIKE

899
00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:25,310
A MORATORIUM, TO BE ABLE TO 

900
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:26,344
UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS. I THINK

901
00:32:26,344 --> 00:32:28,079
IT IS ON A THEME WITH THE IDEA 

902
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:29,213
OF A MORATORIUM IN LAND USE, 

903
00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:30,181
WHICH IS TO PROVIDE FOR 

904
00:32:30,181 --> 00:32:31,649
RESEARCH, TO UNDERSTAND THE 

905
00:32:31,649 --> 00:32:36,287
DIMENSIONS AND DEFINED TERMS. 

906
00:32:36,287 --> 00:32:37,522
STAFF CAN LOOK INTO HOW MANY 

907
00:32:37,522 --> 00:32:38,723
DATA CENTERS ARE IN TOWN AND 

908
00:32:38,723 --> 00:32:40,124
ALSO EXPLAIN HOW THEY ARE 

909
00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:42,360
PERMITTED. TALKING ABOUT THE 

910
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,029
USES THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN 

911
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:46,464
PERMITTED UNDER, SO THERE CAN BE

912
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,599
A RANGE, THERE. THAT IS WHY WE 

913
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:55,106
ARE HESITANT , THOSE ARE THE 

914
00:32:55,106 --> 00:32:57,175
THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO 

915
00:32:57,175 --> 00:32:58,076
RESEARCHING THIS. 

916
00:32:58,076 --> 00:33:01,879
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

917
00:33:01,879 --> 00:33:03,681
I AM CURIOUS, AS WELL, SINCE WE 

918
00:33:03,681 --> 00:33:05,316
HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF 

919
00:33:05,316 --> 00:33:09,354
PROPONENTS , OF THIS, THAT THE 

920
00:33:09,354 --> 00:33:11,222
ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF A.I. 

921
00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:14,092
EXPANSION. I REFLECT BACK TO 

922
00:33:14,092 --> 00:33:17,562
JUST MAYBE A MONTH AGO IN OUR 

923
00:33:17,562 --> 00:33:20,631
COUNCIL BRIEFING, WE RECEIVED A 

924
00:33:20,631 --> 00:33:26,904
PRESENTATION, TALKING ABOUT THE 

925
00:33:26,904 --> 00:33:28,006
ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF WASHINGTON 

926
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:28,940
BECOMING AN A.I. LEADER. I CAN 

927
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:29,741
UNDERSTAND THAT'S A ROBUST 

928
00:33:29,741 --> 00:33:32,143
DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER LIN 

929
00:33:32,143 --> 00:33:32,944
ALSO DISSIPATED IN THE 

930
00:33:32,944 --> 00:33:37,648
DISCUSSION AND RAISED THE ISSUES

931
00:33:37,648 --> 00:33:38,449
ABOUT ENVIRONMENT OF JUSTICE, 

932
00:33:38,449 --> 00:33:40,318
WHO BENEFITS, AND I RAISE MY 

933
00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:42,787
CONCERNS ABOUT ENERGY DEMAND 

934
00:33:42,787 --> 00:33:43,921
RELATED TO THIS. I AM CURIOUS, 

935
00:33:43,921 --> 00:33:46,491
DO WE KNOW, AT THIS TIME, IF THE

936
00:33:46,491 --> 00:33:47,925
CITY IS PROVIDING ANY ECONOMIC 

937
00:33:47,925 --> 00:33:49,027
INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPING THE 

938
00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:52,663
DATA CENTERS, OR ANYTHING A PART

939
00:33:52,663 --> 00:33:53,931
OF THE CITY'S A.I. WORK, THAT 

940
00:33:53,931 --> 00:33:56,300
IS PERHAPS INCENTIVIZING THIS? 

941
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:57,535
>> NOT THAT I HAVE HEARD. 

942
00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:02,006
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR, 

943
00:34:02,006 --> 00:34:03,241
FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO US.

944
00:34:03,374 --> 00:34:12,116
>> THANK YOU. 

945
00:34:12,116 --> 00:34:13,384
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. I 

946
00:34:13,384 --> 00:34:14,519
WANT TO TURN TO SOME QUESTIONS 

947
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:15,853
THAT WERE BROUGHT UP EARLIER, 

948
00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:18,523
TODAY. EXPLORING A MORATORIUM IN

949
00:34:18,523 --> 00:34:19,557
SEVERAL OPTIONS, THERE HAS BEEN 

950
00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:20,525
DISCUSSION TODAY ABOUT THE 

951
00:34:20,525 --> 00:34:22,093
IMPACTS OF DATA CENTERS HAVE , 

952
00:34:22,093 --> 00:34:27,231
WHETHER IT IS WATER USAGE OR 

953
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,199
LARGE LOAD CAPACITY FOR CITY 

954
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:29,400
LIGHT. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR 

955
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,735
LAND-USE AUTHORITY UNDER THE 

956
00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:32,603
MORATORIUM, DOES THAT LAND-USE 

957
00:34:32,603 --> 00:34:34,072
AUTHORITY PROVIDE US THE ABILITY

958
00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:36,441
TO PASS A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM 

959
00:34:36,441 --> 00:34:37,809
WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC LIMITS OF 

960
00:34:37,809 --> 00:34:40,378
THIS CITY, OR DO WE HAVE THE 

961
00:34:40,378 --> 00:34:41,946
OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OUR 

962
00:34:41,946 --> 00:34:43,514
SERVICE AREAS? 

963
00:34:43,514 --> 00:34:45,249
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I 

964
00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:53,024
BELIEVE IT ONLY CAN APPLY TO OUR

965
00:34:53,024 --> 00:34:53,991
GEOGRAPHIC LIMITS, BUT I HAVE 

966
00:34:53,991 --> 00:34:54,792
NEVER ASKED THAT SPECIFICALLY. 

967
00:34:54,792 --> 00:34:56,461
WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT IF

968
00:34:56,461 --> 00:34:57,662
THERE IS ANY WAY TO REGULATE 

969
00:34:57,662 --> 00:34:58,763
AREAS OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS 

970
00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:00,131
THAT ARE WITHIN OUR UTILITY 

971
00:35:00,131 --> 00:35:01,899
AREAS. 

972
00:35:01,899 --> 00:35:03,367
>> I WANT TO ADD THAT UTILITY 

973
00:35:03,367 --> 00:35:04,602
RATES APPLY TO SERVICE AREA FOR 

974
00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:05,570
CITY LIGHT, WHICH DOES EXTEND 

975
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:14,011
PAST CITY LIMITS, 

976
00:35:14,011 --> 00:35:15,446
>> THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO 

977
00:35:15,446 --> 00:35:16,147
GETTING MORE INFORMATION THERE. 

978
00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:17,615
I KNOW WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THE

979
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:18,783
VARIOUS IMPACTS WHEN IT COMES TO

980
00:35:18,783 --> 00:35:20,251
DATA CENTERS, AND CERTAINLY, THE

981
00:35:20,251 --> 00:35:21,219
ELECTRICAL GRID, AND THE SYSTEM 

982
00:35:21,219 --> 00:35:22,854
IS ONE OF THEM AS WE HAVE HEARD 

983
00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:25,289
OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK TO. 

984
00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:28,259
I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT WE HAVE 

985
00:35:28,259 --> 00:35:33,431
THE KNOWLEDGE TO DO WITH THE 

986
00:35:33,431 --> 00:35:34,432
TOOLS WE ARE CONSIDERING. THANK 

987
00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:34,732
YOU. 

988
00:35:34,732 --> 00:35:36,000
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER 

989
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,469
FOSTER. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS 

990
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:44,775
OR COMMENTS . JUST GOING TO 

991
00:35:44,775 --> 00:35:51,048
SLIDE 2, GOING BACK TO NO 

992
00:35:51,048 --> 00:35:51,916
DEFINITION CURRENTLY IN THE 

993
00:35:51,916 --> 00:35:53,918
LAND-USE CODE. TO ME, THAT 

994
00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:55,219
SIGNALS THAT THERE IS A PRETTY 

995
00:35:55,219 --> 00:35:56,654
BIG GAP IN OUR LAND-USE CODE, IF

996
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:58,222
WE ARE NOT FINDING A PRETTY 

997
00:35:58,222 --> 00:36:05,496
IMPORTANT . TO YOUR QUESTION 

998
00:36:05,496 --> 00:36:07,031
ABOUT HOW MANY DATA CENTERS, IF 

999
00:36:07,031 --> 00:36:07,932
WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION, IT 

1000
00:36:07,932 --> 00:36:09,600
WILL BE HARD TO COME UP WITH HOW

1001
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,968
MANY THERE ARE. YOU KNOW, ARE WE

1002
00:36:10,968 --> 00:36:12,203
TALKING ABOUT SOME SORT OF DATA 

1003
00:36:12,203 --> 00:36:15,439
CLOSET TO SERVE , OR ARE WE 

1004
00:36:15,439 --> 00:36:16,707
TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING MUCH 

1005
00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:23,381
BIGGER? I FIND IT INTERESTING, 

1006
00:36:23,381 --> 00:36:24,815
IN THE RELATED USES OF THE LAND 

1007
00:36:24,815 --> 00:36:25,816
USE CODE, I THINK, TYPICALLY 

1008
00:36:25,816 --> 00:36:29,053
OFTEN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS AN 

1009
00:36:29,053 --> 00:36:30,354
ACCESSORY USE OR IN MANY WAYS, 

1010
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:31,689
MORE LIKE A CO-LOCATION WE ARE 

1011
00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:33,124
HEARING ABOUT, VERSUS SOME OF 

1012
00:36:33,124 --> 00:36:35,726
THESE MEGA DATA CENTERS THAT ARE

1013
00:36:35,726 --> 00:36:38,796
REALLY NOT AN ACCESSORY USE, OR 

1014
00:36:38,796 --> 00:36:43,901
AT LEAST, NOT THE PRIMARY 

1015
00:36:43,901 --> 00:36:45,503
BUSINESS SERVICES TYPES OF 

1016
00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:46,304
THINGS THAT WE ARE REALLY 

1017
00:36:46,304 --> 00:36:46,938
TALKING ABOUT. SOMETHING NEW, 

1018
00:36:46,938 --> 00:36:48,739
AND IN MANY WAYS DRIVEN BY A.I. 

1019
00:36:48,739 --> 00:36:59,150
DEMAND. SO, AND THEN, ONE OTHER 

1020
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:00,785
THING I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON 

1021
00:37:00,785 --> 00:37:01,752
IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A 

1022
00:37:01,752 --> 00:37:02,787
QUESTION ABOUT OUR TERRITORY, I 

1023
00:37:02,787 --> 00:37:06,090
LOOK FORWARD TO THAT ANSWER IN 

1024
00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:07,425
TERMS OF OUR LAND-USE 

1025
00:37:07,425 --> 00:37:09,894
MORATORIUM, THANK YOU TO COUNCIL

1026
00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:10,695
MEMBER JUAREZ FOR YOUR 

1027
00:37:10,695 --> 00:37:11,729
LEADERSHIP ON LOOKING INTO THIS,

1028
00:37:11,729 --> 00:37:15,032
FOR MANY MONTHS. INCLUDING, 

1029
00:37:15,032 --> 00:37:16,701
ESPECIALLY ON THE ELECTRIC 

1030
00:37:16,701 --> 00:37:20,705
RATES, ELECTRO CITY RATES AND 

1031
00:37:20,705 --> 00:37:21,505
CONNECTION CHARGES, AND HOW THAT

1032
00:37:21,505 --> 00:37:23,074
WILL BE HANDLED. I DO JUST WANT 

1033
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:25,977
TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, 

1034
00:37:25,977 --> 00:37:29,347
BECAUSE OUR ELECTRIC GRID IS 

1035
00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:30,815
REGIONALLY INTEGRATED , CITY 

1036
00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:33,451
LIGHT HAS TO BUY ELECTRICITY ON 

1037
00:37:33,451 --> 00:37:37,588
THE OPEN MARKET, IF WE HAVE MEGA

1038
00:37:37,588 --> 00:37:40,024
DATA CENTERS IN BELLEVUE, 

1039
00:37:40,024 --> 00:37:45,529
DRIVING UP DEMAND , EVEN IF IT 

1040
00:37:45,529 --> 00:37:46,497
IS OUTSIDE OF OUR SERVICE 

1041
00:37:46,497 --> 00:37:47,798
TERRITORY, THAT COULD STILL 

1042
00:37:47,798 --> 00:37:49,066
AFFECT OUR RATES. AND SO, YOU 

1043
00:37:49,066 --> 00:37:52,336
KNOW, TO THE POINT OF ONE OF THE

1044
00:37:52,336 --> 00:37:54,405
COMMENTS, I'D DON'T THINK IT 

1045
00:37:54,405 --> 00:38:00,277
WILL BE A SUCCESS, IF WE END UP 

1046
00:38:00,277 --> 00:38:02,013
REGULATING DATA CENTERS IN A WAY

1047
00:38:02,013 --> 00:38:04,181
THAT THEY JUST ALL GO TO 

1048
00:38:04,181 --> 00:38:08,486
BELLEVUE , AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE 

1049
00:38:08,486 --> 00:38:09,620
WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE 

1050
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:10,721
IMPACTS LIKE NOISE IMPACT OR 

1051
00:38:10,721 --> 00:38:11,522
SOMETHING, BUT THE ELECTRIC 

1052
00:38:11,522 --> 00:38:14,692
IMPACTS COULD STILL BE THERE. 

1053
00:38:14,692 --> 00:38:15,726
OUR CLIMATE CHANGE GOALS COULD 

1054
00:38:15,726 --> 00:38:17,361
STILL BE IMPACTED, DEPENDING ON 

1055
00:38:17,361 --> 00:38:19,330
, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS ELECTRICITY

1056
00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:25,336
IS GENERATED. I AM SUPER 

1057
00:38:25,336 --> 00:38:26,070
CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT

1058
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:27,738
WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR REGIONAL

1059
00:38:27,738 --> 00:38:30,941
PARTNERS . IN MY OPINION, IT 

1060
00:38:30,941 --> 00:38:32,143
CERTAINLY WOULD BE BETTER TO BE 

1061
00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:33,444
REGULATED AT THE STATEWIDE 

1062
00:38:33,444 --> 00:38:35,946
LEVEL, OR AT THE REGIONAL OR 

1063
00:38:35,946 --> 00:38:39,450
NATIONAL LEVEL. I THINK YOU DID 

1064
00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:40,885
A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON WHAT

1065
00:38:40,885 --> 00:38:42,653
WAS PROPOSED AT THIS LAST 

1066
00:38:42,653 --> 00:38:43,688
LEGISLATIVE SESSION. COULD YOU 

1067
00:38:43,688 --> 00:38:46,857
TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT ANY 

1068
00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:47,658
EFFORTS YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN AT 

1069
00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:51,262
THE STATEWIDE LEVEL? 

1070
00:38:51,262 --> 00:38:53,064
>> IS YOUR. THERE ARE SEVERAL 

1071
00:38:53,064 --> 00:38:55,499
TAX PREFERENCES AT THE STATE 

1072
00:38:55,499 --> 00:38:57,268
LEVEL, AND ONE OF THOSE, I 

1073
00:38:57,268 --> 00:38:59,603
BELIEVE, WAS REPEALED AS A PART 

1074
00:38:59,603 --> 00:39:05,142
OF THE STATE BUDGET. SO, THAT IS

1075
00:39:05,142 --> 00:39:06,310
ONE OF THREE OR FOUR TAX 

1076
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:07,378
PREFERENCES THAT WAS 

1077
00:39:07,378 --> 00:39:10,548
ACCOMPLISHED . HOWEVER, THERE 

1078
00:39:10,548 --> 00:39:12,216
WAS A BILL THAT DID NOT SUCCEED 

1079
00:39:12,216 --> 00:39:12,983
AT MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS 

1080
00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:14,385
THAT WAS RELATED PRIMARILY TO 

1081
00:39:14,385 --> 00:39:17,788
MONITORING . SPECIFICALLY, 

1082
00:39:17,788 --> 00:39:18,689
MONITORING FOR CITY USAGE, BUT 

1083
00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:21,225
ALSO JOBS AND THE EFFECTS IN 

1084
00:39:21,225 --> 00:39:22,460
TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF JOBS 

1085
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:23,527
WITHIN DATA CENTERS, AND OVER 

1086
00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:28,032
TIME, HOW THAT CHANGES. IT MAY 

1087
00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:29,066
HAVE INTRODUCED A FLOOR. HAS 

1088
00:39:29,066 --> 00:39:30,468
BEEN A FEW MONTHS SINCE I LOOKED

1089
00:39:30,468 --> 00:39:32,269
AT IT, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE 

1090
00:39:32,269 --> 00:39:34,705
LEGISLATURE WAS CONSIDERING, AND

1091
00:39:34,705 --> 00:39:39,276
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THERE 

1092
00:39:39,276 --> 00:39:40,411
WOULD BE MORE ATTENTION PAID TO 

1093
00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:41,846
THIS IN THE COMING SESSION 

1094
00:39:41,846 --> 00:39:43,848
AGAIN. 

1095
00:39:43,848 --> 00:39:45,316
>> I THINK THAT IS ALL THE 

1096
00:39:45,316 --> 00:39:47,485
QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I HAVE . 

1097
00:39:47,485 --> 00:39:50,221
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A BURGEONING 

1098
00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:56,694
SORT OF INDUSTRY. ON THE ONE 

1099
00:39:56,694 --> 00:39:57,661
HAND, DATA CENTERS HAVE EXISTED 

1100
00:39:57,661 --> 00:39:59,096
FOR A LONG TIME. WE HAVE THEM, 

1101
00:39:59,096 --> 00:40:00,531
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE SOME

1102
00:40:00,531 --> 00:40:02,233
PRETTY RAPID CHANGES THAT WE ARE

1103
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:09,039
SEEING. AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN 

1104
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:10,274
TALK ABOUT THIS MORE WHEN WE 

1105
00:40:10,274 --> 00:40:11,275
HAVE AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL FOR 

1106
00:40:11,275 --> 00:40:14,345
EVERYBODY TO DIG INTO. OFTEN 

1107
00:40:14,345 --> 00:40:16,080
TIMES, THE IDEA OF A LAND-USE 

1108
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,751
MORATORIUM IS TO GIVE US THAT 

1109
00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:21,418
TIME TO DEVELOP THOUGHTFUL 

1110
00:40:21,418 --> 00:40:22,253
POLICY, TO DEVELOP REGULATIONS 

1111
00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:23,854
AND DEFINITIONS WHERE WE HAVE 

1112
00:40:23,854 --> 00:40:25,156
KNOWN, ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE 

1113
00:40:25,156 --> 00:40:26,891
ARE NEW USES, AND NEW THINGS 

1114
00:40:26,891 --> 00:40:30,194
THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE GOOD 

1115
00:40:30,194 --> 00:40:31,395
GUARDRAILS IN PLACE FOR. AND SO,

1116
00:40:31,395 --> 00:40:37,067
I LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHERING 

1117
00:40:37,067 --> 00:40:37,868
THIS THOUGHTFUL DIALOGUE, I 

1118
00:40:37,868 --> 00:40:38,602
APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION 

1119
00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:39,737
TODAY, AND IF THERE IS NO 

1120
00:40:39,737 --> 00:40:40,504
FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, 

1121
00:40:40,504 --> 00:40:40,771
-- 

1122
00:40:40,771 --> 00:40:41,939
>> I HAVE ONE. 

1123
00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:45,042
>> PLEASE, COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ

1124
00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:46,477
>> THANK YOU, CHECK. IDENTITY 

1125
00:40:46,477 --> 00:40:47,945
TAKE UP TOO MUCH MORE TIME, BUT 

1126
00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:51,282
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME CALLS 

1127
00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:52,683
AND EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS AND

1128
00:40:52,683 --> 00:40:55,820
BUSINESSES , AND HOW THIS IS AN 

1129
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:59,323
EMERGING ECONOMY, AND THERE ARE 

1130
00:40:59,323 --> 00:41:00,624
TWO THINGS I WANT TO SAY, I 

1131
00:41:00,624 --> 00:41:02,059
THINK I SPOKE TO YOUR OFFICE 

1132
00:41:02,059 --> 00:41:03,093
ABOUT IT AS WELL, MR. CHAIR. 

1133
00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:04,662
LOOKING AT THE CASE OUT OF 

1134
00:41:04,662 --> 00:41:10,201
TUCSON, THE PROJECT BLUE CASE 

1135
00:41:10,201 --> 00:41:11,502
THAT AMAZON WAS WORKING ON, EVEN

1136
00:41:11,502 --> 00:41:13,270
THOUGH IT WAS MORE OF A LAND-USE

1137
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:15,172
ISSUE ON THE OPEN MEANS ACT AND 

1138
00:41:15,172 --> 00:41:17,074
VIOLATIONS, THE FILINGS AND 

1139
00:41:17,074 --> 00:41:18,476
ARGUMENTS PRESENTED ABOUT THE 

1140
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:21,545
IMPACT TO A COMMUNITY BEYOND 

1141
00:41:21,545 --> 00:41:22,413
JUST THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND 

1142
00:41:22,413 --> 00:41:23,781
WORKFORCE, AND ALL THE OTHER 

1143
00:41:23,781 --> 00:41:26,450
ISSUES. I DON'T WANT ANYONE 

1144
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:28,018
LEAVING -- I WOULD NOT WANT 

1145
00:41:28,018 --> 00:41:30,354
ANYONE, AND I'M SURE THE CHAIR 

1146
00:41:30,354 --> 00:41:35,593
FEELS THE SAME WAY, NOT TO SPEAK

1147
00:41:35,593 --> 00:41:36,861
FOR YOU MR. CHAIR, BUT I'M 

1148
00:41:36,861 --> 00:41:37,795
GUESSING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL 

1149
00:41:37,795 --> 00:41:39,129
WOULD NOT WANT BUSINESS TO THINK

1150
00:41:39,129 --> 00:41:41,098
THAT WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN 

1151
00:41:41,098 --> 00:41:42,500
A.I., AND THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT

1152
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,335
TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF LEADERSHIP 

1153
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:49,807
IN THIS TECHNOLOGY AND 

1154
00:41:49,807 --> 00:41:50,407
INNOVATION, THAT OUR MAIN 

1155
00:41:50,407 --> 00:41:51,809
CONCERN IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE 

1156
00:41:51,809 --> 00:41:52,843
SOME GUARDRAILS AND SOME 

1157
00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:54,111
SAFEGUARDS, AND WE HAVE TO KNOW 

1158
00:41:54,111 --> 00:41:55,479
WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE TO 

1159
00:41:55,479 --> 00:41:57,915
PROTECT NOT JUST THE COMMUNITY, 

1160
00:41:57,915 --> 00:41:59,116
BUT THE BUSINESSES AND WATER 

1161
00:41:59,116 --> 00:42:00,351
RESOURCES. SO, HE WILL SEE THESE

1162
00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:04,788
ISSUES WILL PROBABLY LAND IN 

1163
00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:07,591
BETWEEN SEATTLE PUBLIC 

1164
00:42:07,591 --> 00:42:10,294
UTILITIES, WHICH IS COUNCIL 

1165
00:42:10,294 --> 00:42:11,262
PRESIDENT HOLLINGSWORTH 

1166
00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:12,863
COMMITTEE , COUNCIL MEMBER 

1167
00:42:12,863 --> 00:42:14,064
LYNN'S COMMITTEE IN LAND-USE 

1168
00:42:14,064 --> 00:42:18,502
AND THEN OUR COMMITTEE , 

1169
00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:19,270
COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE IN A 

1170
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:20,304
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT, WHERE YOU 

1171
00:42:20,304 --> 00:42:23,374
SAY IT WILL BE INTERDISCIPLINARY

1172
00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:24,708
. I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN STILL 

1173
00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:25,976
WORK TOWARDS THAT END I AM 

1174
00:42:25,976 --> 00:42:26,944
GUESSING AT SOME POINT, THAT 

1175
00:42:26,944 --> 00:42:28,178
CENTRAL STAFF, A COUPLE OF YOUR 

1176
00:42:28,178 --> 00:42:29,213
STAFFERS CAME TO THAT SEMINAR 

1177
00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:34,285
THAT WE WENT TO, THAT YOU WILL 

1178
00:42:34,285 --> 00:42:35,719
HAVE A TEAM ON CENTRAL STAFF, ON

1179
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,720
THIS FLOOR, BUT WILL BE 

1180
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:37,755
MONITORING AND ADVISING US. ARE 

1181
00:42:37,755 --> 00:42:42,059
YOU GETTING SICK OF ME SENDING 

1182
00:42:42,059 --> 00:42:43,027
YOU STUFF, ERIC? I'M SENDING 

1183
00:42:43,027 --> 00:42:45,262
YOU STUFF ALL THE TIME. 

1184
00:42:45,262 --> 00:42:46,297
>> I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT 

1185
00:42:46,297 --> 00:42:47,464
THE COURT SEEM RIGHT HERE. WE 

1186
00:42:47,464 --> 00:42:48,699
FORMED THE BOARD, WE ARE WORKING

1187
00:42:48,699 --> 00:42:50,901
AS A TEAM ON THIS AND THAT WILL 

1188
00:42:50,901 --> 00:42:55,239
CONTINUE. 

1189
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,640
>> SO, ON THE DEFINITION OF DATA

1190
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,942
CENTER, I THINK THAT IS REALLY 

1191
00:42:57,942 --> 00:42:59,310
CRUCIAL, THAT IS THE MAIN 

1192
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,712
QUESTION . THE EXISTING ONES 

1193
00:43:01,712 --> 00:43:03,147
THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WE 

1194
00:43:03,147 --> 00:43:04,715
HAVE DATA CENTERS THAT EXIST, 

1195
00:43:04,715 --> 00:43:06,183
COUNCIL PRESIDENT, HOW MANY 

1196
00:43:06,183 --> 00:43:08,152
MEGAWATTS WAS THAT? 25? 

1197
00:43:08,152 --> 00:43:14,592
>> YES, BETWEEN 20 AND 25. 

1198
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:15,826
>> SO, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT 

1199
00:43:15,826 --> 00:43:17,061
THRESHOLDS OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE

1200
00:43:17,061 --> 00:43:19,363
CHAIR, THROUGH CHAIR LIN, AS 

1201
00:43:19,363 --> 00:43:20,831
WELL. SO, I AM GUESSING THAT -- 

1202
00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:22,032
I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO 

1203
00:43:22,032 --> 00:43:23,634
WALK AWAY, PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING

1204
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:26,670
ATTENTION, TO ALL OF A SUDDEN, 

1205
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:27,705
SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL IS JUST 

1206
00:43:27,705 --> 00:43:29,340
SAYING STOP, WE ARE NOT INTO 

1207
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,408
INNOVATION, WE ARE NOT INTO 

1208
00:43:31,408 --> 00:43:32,543
BEING LEADERS. WHAT WE ARE 

1209
00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:33,577
SAYING IS, LET'S TAKE A PEEK 

1210
00:43:33,577 --> 00:43:34,812
AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND

1211
00:43:34,812 --> 00:43:36,080
ANY IMPACTS, THINGS THAT WE KNOW

1212
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,281
NOW, AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING 

1213
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:38,582
TO COME. LOOKING AT OTHER STATES

1214
00:43:38,582 --> 00:43:42,753
AND OTHER CITIES IN WHAT THEY 

1215
00:43:42,753 --> 00:43:44,154
ARE DOING, THAT IS WHY I POINTED

1216
00:43:44,154 --> 00:43:45,556
OUT THE NEW YORK LAW, WHICH I 

1217
00:43:45,556 --> 00:43:47,157
THINK IS REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU 

1218
00:43:47,157 --> 00:43:48,192
CHAIR. 

1219
00:43:48,192 --> 00:43:49,460
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER 

1220
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:53,197
JUAREZ. VICE CHAIR STRAUSS? 

1221
00:43:53,197 --> 00:43:54,431
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANT

1222
00:43:54,431 --> 00:43:56,567
TO SHARE MY APPRECIATION FOR YOU

1223
00:43:56,567 --> 00:43:57,601
BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND HAVING

1224
00:43:57,601 --> 00:43:59,403
A BRIEFING TODAY, ON A MONDAY, 

1225
00:43:59,403 --> 00:44:00,871
OUTSIDE OF OUR TYPICAL COMMITTEE

1226
00:44:00,871 --> 00:44:03,440
MEETINGS, TO SHOW THAT WE ARE 

1227
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,775
MOVING QUICKLY AND THOUGHTFULLY 

1228
00:44:04,775 --> 00:44:06,276
. REALLY, I DON'T NEED TO 

1229
00:44:06,276 --> 00:44:09,513
REPEAT WHAT COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ

1230
00:44:09,513 --> 00:44:11,215
HAS SAID SPEAKING ABOUT THE NEED

1231
00:44:11,215 --> 00:44:13,017
TO GET THIS RIGHT. WE ARE NOT 

1232
00:44:13,017 --> 00:44:17,688
SAYING NO, WE ARE SAYING HOW? 

1233
00:44:17,688 --> 00:44:18,922
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THIS 

1234
00:44:18,922 --> 00:44:21,325
CORRECTLY, DATA CENTERS COULD BE

1235
00:44:21,325 --> 00:44:23,160
REALLY BAD FOR OUR CITY AND OUR 

1236
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,831
REGION. WHEN WE DO IT RIGHT, 

1237
00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:28,932
THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING

1238
00:44:28,932 --> 00:44:31,502
A MORATORIUM NOW, SO THAT WE CAN

1239
00:44:31,502 --> 00:44:32,803
FIGURE OUT THE REGULATIONS 

1240
00:44:32,803 --> 00:44:35,539
CORRECTLY, BECAUSE IF WE DO NOT 

1241
00:44:35,539 --> 00:44:36,573
REGULATE THIS CORRECTLY IT COULD

1242
00:44:36,573 --> 00:44:38,142
BE DANGEROUS. WE REALLY DON'T 

1243
00:44:38,142 --> 00:44:41,912
WANT TO GET INTO THAT SPACE OF 

1244
00:44:41,912 --> 00:44:43,647
HAVING A KNEE-JERK REACTION 

1245
00:44:43,647 --> 00:44:45,616
WHILE WE ARE PROTECTING EVERY 

1246
00:44:45,616 --> 00:44:51,288
DAY SEATTLEITES . AS YOU 

1247
00:44:51,288 --> 00:44:54,658
MENTIONED CHAIR, THAT COMES TO 

1248
00:44:54,658 --> 00:44:55,693
RATE PATHS AND ORCHARD CITY 

1249
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:56,860
CONSUMPTION OCCURRING ANYWHERE 

1250
00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:59,863
IN THE GRID. SO, WHETHER THAT IS

1251
00:44:59,863 --> 00:45:03,200
HAPPENING HERE IN THE CITY OF 

1252
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,270
SEATTLE, WE WILL BE IMPACTED BY 

1253
00:45:06,270 --> 00:45:08,405
IT, AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD

1254
00:45:08,405 --> 00:45:13,210
A SWEETHEART DEAL, BEING ABLE TO

1255
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:15,312
PURCHASE A CHUNK OF ELECTRICITY 

1256
00:45:15,312 --> 00:45:17,815
AT A WHOLESALE RATE AND THAT WE 

1257
00:45:17,815 --> 00:45:25,823
ARE -- OUR CONSUMPTION LEVEL IS 

1258
00:45:25,823 --> 00:45:28,325
PUT IN THE SEATTLE CITY AREA 

1259
00:45:28,325 --> 00:45:33,097
BOUNDARIES, GIVEN OUR RESOURCE 

1260
00:45:33,097 --> 00:45:33,764
ALLOCATIONS ARE THOSE DATA 

1261
00:45:33,764 --> 00:45:35,299
CENTERS ARE BEING USED IN 

1262
00:45:35,299 --> 00:45:36,934
WASHINGTON, WE ARE STILL HAVING 

1263
00:45:36,934 --> 00:45:37,534
TO PROTECT OURSELVES AGAINST 

1264
00:45:37,534 --> 00:45:40,137
THOSE RATE INCREASES, AND 

1265
00:45:40,137 --> 00:45:41,538
ULTIMATELY, THAT COMES DOWN TO 

1266
00:45:41,538 --> 00:45:44,041
US FIGURING OUT MORE GENERATION 

1267
00:45:44,041 --> 00:45:47,311
CAPACITY . THOSE ARE TWO 

1268
00:45:47,311 --> 00:45:48,178
SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS, I JUST 

1269
00:45:48,178 --> 00:45:49,413
APPRECIATE YOU MOVING QUICKLY, 

1270
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:53,217
HERE IN THE LAND-USE COMMITTEE, 

1271
00:45:53,217 --> 00:45:54,184
ON THIS MORATORIUM BUT THANK 

1272
00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:54,384
YOU. 

1273
00:45:54,384 --> 00:45:55,853
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR 

1274
00:45:55,853 --> 00:45:57,855
STRAUSS. REAL QUICK, TO RESPOND,

1275
00:45:57,855 --> 00:45:58,856
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, I DO THINK

1276
00:45:58,856 --> 00:46:00,858
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS

1277
00:46:00,858 --> 00:46:03,127
DEFINITION RIGHT. THE DEFINITION

1278
00:46:03,127 --> 00:46:09,299
THAT WE COME UP WITH, IN THE 

1279
00:46:09,299 --> 00:46:10,334
MORATORIUM MIGHT NOT BE THE 

1280
00:46:10,334 --> 00:46:11,168
PERMANENT DEFINITION. OR WE 

1281
00:46:11,168 --> 00:46:11,835
MIGHT HAVE MULTIPLE DEFINITIONS,

1282
00:46:11,835 --> 00:46:13,437
DEPENDING ON WHAT WE COME UP 

1283
00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:19,309
WITH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT 

1284
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:22,513
CLEAR THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY 

1285
00:46:22,513 --> 00:46:23,647
SIGNAL IT WILL BE THE END-ALL 

1286
00:46:23,647 --> 00:46:24,615
AND BE-ALL DEFINITION. THAT IS 

1287
00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:26,049
WHAT WE MIGHT COME UP WITH, TO 

1288
00:46:26,049 --> 00:46:29,052
GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED. 

1289
00:46:29,052 --> 00:46:32,122
BUT, THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS 

1290
00:46:32,122 --> 00:46:34,158
CONTINUED DIALOGUE. MUCH MORE TO

1291
00:46:34,158 --> 00:46:36,827
COME, AND WITH THAT, I AM GOING 

1292
00:46:36,827 --> 00:46:41,698
TO ADJOURN THE COMMITTEE AT 

1293
00:46:41,698 --> 00:46:43,300
2:49. THANK YOU SO MUCH.