GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR HOLDING WITH THIS
AS WE DEALT WITH TECHNICAL
DIFFICULTIES.
GOOD MORNING.
IT IS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY THE
FIRST 2019.
THE HOUSING, HEALTH, ENERGY,
AND WORKERS' RIGHTS MIDI WILL
COME TO ORDER.
I AM CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE
JOINED BY OUR VICE CHAIR
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ . WE HAVE
TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO SAVE AS
MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE FOR OUR
FRIENDS FROM THE REVIEW PANEL
BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING THE
LAST 6-8 MONTHS, HARD TO TRY TO
BRING US FORWARD AN INTERIM
REPORT ON RATE DESIGN CHANGES.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR
CONVERSATION TODAY WILL BE
ABOUT THE INITIAL REPORT AND WE
WILL GET A CHANCE TO ASK
QUESTIONS, TALK ABOUT THE
DIRECTION WE ARE HEADED AND TO
GET FEEDBACK FROM OTHERS.
THE SECOND THING WE ARE GOING
TO TALK ABOUT IS THE
POSSIBILITY OF THE SALE OF
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT'S PROPERTY
ON THE NORTH PASSAGE LLC.
I WANT TO BE SUPER CLEAR BEFORE
WE START WITH OUR PUBLIC
COMMENT THIS MORNING.
LAST YEAR YOU REMEMBER
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ , WE SPENT
A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT
HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO
PRESERVE OUR FUNDS -- I'M SORRY
OUR RESOURCES, PUBLIC PROPERTY,
ANY SURPLUS PROPERTY AND MAKE
SURE WE ARE EVALUATING WHETHER
WE ARE NOT WE CAN USE THOSE
PROPERTIES FOR HOUSING.
BECAUSE HOUSING AND
HOMELESSNESS IS A CRISIS OF THE
CITY.
AS WE BRING FORWARD LEGISLATION
IN THIS COMMITTEE ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE WANT
TO DO IS MAKE SURE IT'S BEEN
RUN THROUGH THE LEGISLATION WE
HAVE PASSED LAST YEAR.
LAST YEAR WE SET ANY SURPLUS
PROPERTY SHOULD BE EVALUATED TO
SEE IF WE CAN BUILD AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
IF WE CAN WE SHOULD RETAIN THE
PROPERTY.
WE SHOULD BUILD AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND MAKE SURE LOWEST
INCOME AND MIDDLE INCOME FOLKS
ARE ABLE TO GET IN THE DOOR AND
WE HELP THOSE NONPROFIT
DEVELOPERS GET FUNDS TO BUILD
IF THEY NEED SO AS WELL.
WITH THE PROPERTY WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY ON THE
NORTH PASSAGE THERE ARE CITY
LIGHT LINES THAT RUN OVER IT.
IT HAS BEEN EVALUATED AS A HEAR
FROM OUR CITY LIGHT TEAM, THERE
IS NOT THE POSSIBILITY OF
BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON
THAT LOT.
IN FACT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE
PROPERTY MORE WE WILL TALK
ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS CITY
LIGHT HAS HAD WITH THE OFFICE
OF HOUSING.
ONE OF THE PRIORITIES WE PUT IN
THE LEGISLATION WAS IF A
PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE SOLD WE
RETAIN THE VAST MAJORITY AROUND
80% OF THE FUNDS TO GO INTO THE
OFFICE OF HOUSING SO THAT ANY
SALE ACTUALLY DOES BENEFIT OUR
EFFORTS TO TRY TO GET
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WANT TO LET FOLKS KNOW I'VE
DONE DOUBLE CHECKING, DUE
DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THIS
RUBRIC HAS BEEN WALKED THROUGH.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ANY
LEGISLATION COMES TO OUR
COMMITTEE OR ANY COMMITTEE FOR
THAT MATTER, AND I'LL JUST NOT
APPLYING TO SEATTLE CITY LIGHT,
THAT WAS OUR FIRST PIECE OF
LEGISLATION, IT APPLIES TO ALL
PROPERTIES ACROSS THE CITY.
I'M EXCITED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT
THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THE MEMO YOU SENT
ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE ON THE
STRIP OF LAND WE'RE GOING TO
DISCUSS.
>> YOU ARE WELCOME.
I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO START
WITH PUBLIC COMMENT IF WE
COULD.
THERE ARE A FEW FOLKS IN THE
AUDIENCE.
I THINK WE WILL START WITH THE
KNOWN FACE, ALEX TSIMERMAN.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK
TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
>> MY NAME IS ALEX TSIMERMAN
AND I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE
AGENDA.
50% OF PEOPLE IN SEATTLE PAY
TOO MUCH, LAST YEAR MADE $80
MILLION PROFIT.
$80 BILLION.
WHY DO WE NEED TO PAY FOR
AMAZON?
BECAUSE WE HAVE FASCISM IN THE
CITY WHEN YOU TALK WITH
GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATIONS
SUCK BLOOD AND MONEY FROM US
AND MAKE LIFE MISERABLE.
HOW CAN WE FIX THIS?
I AM A BUSINESSMAN FOR ALL MY
LIFE AND I TALK 1000 TIMES HERE
FOR MANY YEARS.
THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY FOR
STOPPING WHAT WE ARE DOING
RIGHT NOW.
IT IS CRIMINALITY.
THE GOVERNMENT, EXECUTIVE
BRANCH AND DEPARTMENT DOING FOR
THE LAST FEW YEARS.
IT'S A NIGHTMARE.
ONLY ONE WAY IS AN OPEN PUBLIC
CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE BY DEFINITION YOU ALL
WORK FOR THE PEOPLE.
FOR ME OR FOR THEM.
FOR MANY YEAR I THINK WE CAN
FIX THIS PROBLEM VERY EASILY
WHEN WE OPEN THE ROOM IN CITY
HALL, ONE TIME PER WEEK FOR
OPEN CONVERSATION FOR ALL DAY
SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND TALK TO
EVERY DEPARTMENT, EVERY
COUNCILMEMBER, EVERY BOARD IN
THE CITY SO WE CAN SPEAK AND
HAVE Q&A.
BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS.
WHY?
YOU COUNSEL MUST.
YOU PROMISED DOING THIS, NOW
ONE HALF YEAR YOU NEVER TALK
ABOUT DOING IT YOU PROMISE US
THAT YOU ARE A LIAR AND A CROOK
AND A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL
BECAUSE YOU LIE UNDER OATH.
BECAUSE YOU NOW ARE MAKING AN
OATH HERE.
NOW I SPEAK TO EVERYBODY IN
SEATTLE.
STAND UP.
WE NEED TO CLEANSE THE SUPPORT
AND.
GIVE US MONEY BACK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THE NEXT PERSON WE HAVE TO
SPEAK -- I'M SO SORRY.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF SO WE
HAVE YOUR NAME ON THE RECORD.
WE HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR ITEM
NUMBER ONE.
REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
THE PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT?
GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> I AM ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS
HAVING ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES
WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE
CITY OF SEATTLE.
ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS I HAVE
GOING FORWARD IS THE EFFECTIVE
USE OF WEATHER IT'S THE FUNDS
OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND THE
EFFICACY OF THOSE ITEMS.
I HAVE SOME VERY BIG
DIFFICULTIES WITH THE OFFICE OF
HOUSING AND HOW THEY ARE USING
PROPERTIES, HOW THE OUTLINE
USES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO TRY
TO CONTACT YOURSELF IN YOUR
OFFICE AS WELL AS THE OFFICE OF
COUNCILMEMEBER SAWANT TO GET
SOMETHING ADDRESSED IN THE
NEAR FUTURE.
IT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE MIDDLE
TO END OF JANUARY, I HAVE COME
IN TWICE TO TALK WITH SEVERAL
OF THE OFFICES.
I'VE LEFT MESSAGES AND TRIED TO
GET IN CONTACT WITH PEOPLE.
I WAS PUT IN CONTACT WITH
SOMEONE AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR
THE OFFICE OF HOUSING WITH THE
CITY COUNCIL THAT IS NEVER
REALLY ADDRESSED MY EMAILS, MY
CALLS.
SO GOING FORWARD I WONDER WHAT
KIND OF EFFICIENT USE OF THESE
PROPERTIES AND THESE FUNDS
WOULD CONTINUE FORWARD?
WHETHER THERE IS THESE ITEMS
BEING ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY, IF
PEOPLE ARE BEING HEARD
REGARDING SOME OF THESE ISSUES
AND THE AGENCY RESPONSIBLE FOR
TAKING CARE OF SOME OF THESE
THINGS.
SADLY I'D HOPED TO ADDRESS SOME
OTHER ISSUES BUT TODAY IT SEEMS
YOU ARE ON A FOCUSED AGENDA.
I WANT TO HOPEFULLY GET IN
CONTACT WITH YOU HERE TODAY
BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO TALK
ABOUT POTENTIAL OTHER ISSUES
THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE
MATTERS.
THE OFFICE OF HOUSING I DON'T
THINK IS ADDRESSING THE ALREADY
PURPOSED FUNDS OR ADEQUATELY
HANDLING SOME OF THE ITEMS THEY
ARE IN CONTROL OF.
SPECIFICALLY LEVEES AND OTHER
HOUSING PROJECTS THAT AREN'T
REALLY BEING MADE USE OF
EFFECTIVELY.
THE MONEY THEY ARE GETTING, THE
PROPERTIES THEY ARE HANDLING
AND SPECIFICALLY THE BUNKHOUSE
EFFECTIVELY OWNED BY WASHINGTON
HOUSING EQUITY ALLIANCE, THERE
ARE A LOT OF ONGOING ISSUES I
KNOW AND I AM FULLY AWARE THAT
YOU HAVE STARTED AN AUDIT OF
SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS.
BUT TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF
YOUR OFFICE TO ADEQUATELY HAVE
THESE THINGS OCCURRED ON THE
RECORD IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO LEAVE
YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION SINCE
WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SIGN-UP
SHEET AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP
WITH YOU.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PRIORITY WE
ARE WORKING ON IN 2019.
AS YOU KNOW RESET THE PARAMETERS
. THIS YEAR WE ARE WORKING ON
THE ADMINISTRATION OF FINANCE
PLAN THAT HELPS GUIDE HOW
DOLLARS WILL BE USED, NOT JUST
AT THE OFFICE OF HOUSING BUT
FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL AS IT
GOES TO HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND PERMANENT HOUSING
OPTIONS.
IF YOU COULD LEAVE YOUR CONTACT
INFORMATION, WE WILL FOLLOW-UP
WITH YOU.
ASK YOU WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD YOU
LIVE IN?
>> I'M IN THE COLUMBIA AREA.
>> OKAY.
GREAT.
WE WILL ALSO WORK WITH THE
COUNCILMEMBER IN THAT DISTRICT
AS WELL TO MAKE SURE WE GET
FOLLOW-UP.
WE WILL FOLLOW-UP WITH YOU.
THANK YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC
COMMENT SPECIFIC TO THE ITEM OF
THE SALE OF THE PUBLIC PROPERTY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE
NORTH PASSAGE?
THIS TIME I THINK I WILL ALSO
TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AS IT
RELATES TO THE OTHER ITEM ON
OUR AGENDA WHICH RELATES TO THE
INTERIM REPORT FROM THE REVIEW
PANEL THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE
SIGNED UP IS JONI.
>> I AM WITH THE NORTHWEST
ENERGY COALITION.
AS YOU KNOW THE COALITION IS IT
HUNDRED ORGANIZATIONS WE HAVE
BEEN WORKING ON RENEWABLES,
ENERGY EFFICIENCY, FISH AND
WILLIFE DETECTION, RELATION TO
ENERGY STUDIES AND LOW-INCOME
PROGRAMS.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS
PROPHETS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
YOU WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR
WORKING WITH US.
WE HAVE SUMMITTED BEFORE SOME
OF OUR CONCERNS AND SOME ADVICE
WE GAVE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF
PRINCIPLES TO FOLLOW.
TODAY I WANT TO UNDERLINE TWO
MAJOR PRINCIPLES AS YOU ENTER
INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS
DISCUSSION.
ONE IS, IT REALLY DEALS WITH
THE COMPONENTS OF THE BILL IN A
SENSE AND HOW THE CUSTOMERS SEE
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ALL THE
WORK THE STAFF HAS BEEN DOING.
WE REALLY ENCOURAGE THE
CUSTOMER CHARGE, THE MINIMUM
CHARGE, THAT IT TAKES TO GET
THE POWER IN ESSENCE WHAT THE
CUSTOMER HAS TO PAY FOR THEIR
BILL, SHOULD REALLY JUST BE
BASED ON ONLY THOSE COSTS
DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE
INDVIDUAL CUSTOMER.
THE METER, METER READING, LINE
DROP.
TO THE RESIDENCE AND BUILDING
COST.
THE COST RELATED TO LINES,
WIRES, SUBSTATIONS AND THAT
SORT OF STUFF WE WOULD LIKE TO
SEE KEPT IN THE VOLUMETRIC PART
OF THE BILL.
WHAT YOU HERE TODAY ARE ALL
SORTS OF OPTIONS ON HOW THOSE
TWO PIECES WILL BE HANDLED.
PARTICULARLY THE VOLUMETRIC
PART.
WHO PAYS HOW MUCH AND WHETHER
IT'S A TIERED STRUCTURE OR
WHATEVER, WE WOULD WANT TO
ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO
THINK ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY
EFFECTIVE ON YOUR CURRENT
TIERED PROCESS.
WE WANT TO STILL PROMOTE
DISTRIBUTE ENERGY GENERATION
WHICH COULD BE DISCOURAGED IF
THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL CHARGES
PUT ON INDIVIDUAL SOLAR
CUSTOMERS.
YOU WANT TO AVOID PENALIZING
THE FRUGAL AND THE POOR AND
ACTUALLY INADVERTENTLY REWARD
THE WASTEFUL IF YOU DID
SOMETHING LIKE A SINGLE CHARGE
FOR ALL ENERGY.
WE WOULD WANT WE WOULD HOPE
THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO
EXPAND WEATHERIZATION
ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, SEATTLE HAS
ALWAYS BEEN A LEADER IN THOSE
AND IS LOOKED OUT AROUND THE
STATE AS SOMEONE WHO DOES AN
OUTSTANDING PROGRAM.
WE REALLY SEE THIS AS AN
UNEQUALED OPPORTUNITY WHEN
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS
RESIDENTIAL RATE RESTRUCTURING
TO GRASP THIS TRANSITION THAT
IS BEFORE YOU TO THE INEVITABLE
NEW ENERGY WORLD.
IT'S COMING NO MATTER WHAT.
RIGHT NOW WILL BE HAVE IS A TOP-
DOWN SYSTEM, YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE A MULTI-FOCUSED SYSTEM.
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO HELP THE
CITY MOVE INTO THAT NEW WORLD
AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE
OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.
I CAN SUBMIT THIS
ELECTRONICALLY LATER.
I LEFT EXTRA COPIES AT THE
OFFICE.
THANK YOU.
>> CAN ASK YOU A QUICK
QUESTION?
HAVE YOU HAD THE CHANCE THEN TO
REVIEW THE INTERIM REPORT AND,
THIS IS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK
YOU HAVE SEEN --
>> WE HAVE BEEN ATTENDING AS
MANY AS WE CAN OF THE REVIEW
PANEL.
WE'VE BEEN READING MATERIAL,
MET WITH STAFF AND THEY HAVE
BEEN OPEN AND SUPPORTIVE OF
TALKING WITH PARTICIPANTS IN
THE PROCESS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR
THAT.
A VERY OPEN PROCESS.
>> EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
YOU.
HAVE SOMEONE COMING OUT HERE TO
FOLLOW-UP WITH YOU AS WELL.
ALEX YOU ARE NEXT.
>> I AM OLD STUPID MAN SO
FORGIVE ME.
MY NAME IS ALEX TSIMERMAN.
TALKING ABOUT THIS -- HOUSING
FO POOR PEOPLE.
IT'S A SMART IDEA.
IMAGINATION, FANTASY.
WHERE IS THIS FLYING AROUND?
AROUND FANTASY IN THIS ROOM.
250,000 APARTMENTS [LAUGHTER]
IT IS NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT IS
ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, WHEN WE
CAN SPEAK ABOUT THIS OPENLY
WITHOUT LIMITATION, YOU HAVE A
PRIVILEGE FOR SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW
TO SPEAK MORE THAN TWO MINUTES,
HAVE THIS PROCESS FOR 930 DAYS.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
IS FILLED DS FOREVER.
I LIVE IN THE CITY FOR 33 YEARS.
I NEVER SEE ONE ON THIS COUNCIL
IN MY LIFE.
SAME ABOUT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
NO ONE FOR 30 YEARS.
I TOUCH THIS GOVERNMENT EVERY
DAY.
SOMETIMES FIVE TIMES PER DAY.
LIKE TODAY FOR EXAMPLE.
[LAUGHTER]
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY FOR
STOPPING THIS.
BECAUSE YOUR OUR EMPLOYEE.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT TO
US.
NOT LISTEN TO US, REPORT TO US.
THAT MEANS EVERY MONTH,
EVERYBODY WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
IT'S A VERY GOOD ROOM FOR THIS.
ONE DAY A WEEK YOU OPEN THIS
AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.
YOU DON'T DO THIS AND YOU
COUNCILMEMBER GONZALEZ --
>> PLEASE YOU MAY NOT IMPUGN
OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS.
>> THIS IS NOT WHAT PUBLIC
COMMENT IS FOR.
>> YOU ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE I
GO FOR ELECTION.
>> YOUR TIME IS UP.
YOU NEED TO LEAVE.
NOW.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION WE NEED
305,000 AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE
REGION.
DOES ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK
ON ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT APPEAR
ON TODAY'S AGENDA?
I WANT TO THANK MY INCREDIBLE
COLLEAGUE COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ
FOR GETTING US KICKED OFF.
WE WILL START WITH ITEM NUMBER
ONE.
IS THE SALE OF THE NORTH
PASSAGE LOT.
COUNSEL BILL 119462.
PLEASE READ THAT INTO THE
RECORD.
>>AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE
CITY LIGHT DEPARTMENT;
DECLARING CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY
SURPLUS TO THE NEEDS OF THE
CITY; AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF A
PORTION OF CITY LIGHT
DEPARTMENT REAL PROPERTY TO
NORTH PASSAGE LLC; RESERVING AN
BRIEFING DISCUSSION AND
POSSIBLE VOTE.
IF --
>> IF SEATTLE CHANNEL NEEDS US
TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD OF
THEY CAN PING US AND LET US
KNOW.
WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
ONE.
WELCOME TO THE TABLE.
GO THROUGH AND INTRODUCE
YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND WE
WILL GET STARTED.
>> I AM GREG SANCEWICH REAL
ESTATE SERVICES IMAGER FOR
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT.
>> LYNN BEST MENTAL OFFICER
FOR SEATTLE CITY LIGHT AND I
WANT TO SAY CRAIG IS OUR NEW
REAL ESTATE MANAGER AND THIS IS
HIS FIRST TIME AT THE COUNCIL.
>> WELCOME.
ARE YOU THE MANAGER FOR CITY
LIKE?
>> CORRECT.
>> HE WAS A GREAT HIRE I MIGHT
ADD.
WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
WORK WITH HIM ON THE SOUND
TRANSIT BELLEVUE AND HE IS A
HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE
CONVERSATION.
I AM DEBRA SMITH GENERAL
MANAGER CEO OF SEATTLE CITY
LIGHT.
>> I AM ERIC McCONAGHY COUNSEL
CENTRAL STAFF.
I SHOULD SAY I AM ONE OF THE
MEMBERS.
I'M NOT THE ENTIRE STAFF.
I WORK FOR YOU AND HEARING
THEM.
>> WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU.
>> WELCOME TO YOUR NEW POSITION.
YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
>> I AM WITH COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA'S OFFICE.
>> WE ARE JOINED BY ERIN HOUSE
, NEW TO OUR STAFF WORKING ON
CITY LIGHT AS WELL.
SHE WILL BE WORKING ON HOUSING
THIS IS A GREAT TIE IN.
ALL THE TOPICS RELATED TO EACH
úOTHER.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING US KICKED
OFF TODAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO START?
>> JUST GOING TO SAY TWO
THINGS.
I REALLY APPRECIATED THE
TESTIMONY ABOUT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
HELPING FOLKS FIND AFFORDABLE
PLACES TO LIVE.
THIS PROPERTY IS REALLY OUTSIDE
OF THAT AND I KNOW STAFF IS
GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND I
APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT
DUE DILIGENCE AN UNDERSTANDING
WHY THIS PROPERTY -- I WANT TO
REITERATE, I THINK WE HAVE
SPOKEN AND WE WILL BRING
FORWARD TWO PROPERTIES VERY
SOON WHERE WE WILL BE MAKING
THOSE AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING FOR 100% AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
WE HAVE TAKEN THAT COMMITMENT
SERIOUSLY.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OUR
SUBSTATION PROPERTIES.
WE WILL BE BACK SOON, WE ARE
EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'VE
BEEN THINKING ABOUT OTHER WAYS
WE MIGHT HELP AND ASSIST. AFTER
YOU AND I SPOKE, HOW WE MIGHT
HELP AND ASSIST FURTHER.
THAT IS ALL I REALLY WANT TO
SAY.
MY STAFF IS WELL EQUIPPED TO
HANDLE THIS CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU BOTH.
>> ANYTHING FROM YOU ERIC?
>> NO THANK YOU OTHER THAN JUST
TO SAY IS YOU TALKED ABOUT
EARLIER LAST YEAR YOU LED THE
WAY WITH OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS
ON RESOLUTIONS THAT HAD TO DO
WITH DISPOSITION OF SURPLUS
PROPERTIES.
THAT IS ONGOING.
ONE OF THOSE RESOLUTIONS HAD TO
DO WITH CITY PROPERTY IN
GENERAL AND MOURN PARTICULAR
CITY LIGHT PROPERTIES AND
THAT'S THE CONTEXT WE ARE
WORKING IN NOW.
>> THANK YOU.
LET'S WALK THROUGH THIS PIECE
OF PROPERTY ON THE NORTH
PASSAGE.
>> COULD WE HAVE THE FIRST
SLIDE?
THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE PIECE
OF PROPERTY.
THIS SITE IS PART OF CITY LIGHTS
TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION
CORRIDOR SERVING THE UNIVERSITY
SUBSTATION.
IT IS PART OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S NOT A SURPLUS PROPERTY IN
THE USUAL SENSE.
THE STATE OF WASHINGTON
TRANSFERRED THE OWNERSHIP TO US
IN 1961.
AND IT WAS LEFT OVER FROM THEIR
CONSTRUCTION OF I-5. THE
PROPERTY ALREADY HAD A
COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON IT.
SO THEN GREG IS GOING TO TELL
YOU ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT
ORDINANCE.
>> THIS LOOKS TO SELL THE
PROPERTY THROUGH AN
ORGANIZATION CALLED NORTH
PASSAGE LLC.
THEY OWN AN ADJOINING PROPERTY
TO THE WEST WHICH HOUSES THE
LARGER BUILDING THAT ENCROACHES
INTO THE SCL RIGHT-OF-WAY.
PART OF THE SALE INCLUDES AN
EASEMENT TO RETAIN SCL
OPERATION AT THE JUST VISION
AND TRANSMISSION LINE AT THE
CORRIDOR WHILE GIVING GROUND
RIGHTS FOR THE BUILDING TO
CONTINUE TO EXIST.
THE PICTURE WILL EXPLAIN A LOT.
LOOKING AT THE AERIAL YOU CAN
SEE THE BUILDING ENCROACHES
INTO THE RED AREA THE PORTION
WE ARE PROPOSING TO SELL.
THE BLUE PORTION IS THE
PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
>> ARE THEY CURRENTLY PAYING AS
RENT FOR THAT PROPERTY?
>> CORRECT.
>> AND WE ARE ZOOMED IN A
LITTLE BIT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
LAST PAGE OF THE SUMMARY ON
FISCAL NOTE I'M WONDERING HOW
CLOSE THIS IS TO THE LUMBAR
SITE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
JUST ONLY BY A FEW BLOCKS?
>> CORRECT.
BUT CAN I ASK A QUESTION.
>> I AM MAP CHALLENGED.
THAT IS GOING NORTH, RIGHT?
NORTH IS ON THE TOP.
>> IT IS WEST OF I-5 WHERE THE
SHIPPING OUT BRIDGES.
BETWEEN THE MOUNTAIN LAKE CUT
AND LAKE UNION.
>> BY THE PIZZA PLACE?
>> CORRECT.
OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY.
>> IF YOU WOULD'VE SAID THAT I
WOULD'VE KNOWN.
[LAUGHTER]
FOUND IT.
I AM MAP CHALLENGED.
I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE
KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN AND 7-
ELEVEN IS AND I SAY OKAY.
DON'T DO NORTH NORTHEAST.
BUT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME EVEN
THOUGH I'M NATIVE AMERICAN AND
PEOPLE THINK I KNOW THAT STUFF,
I DON'T.
JUST GETTING.
GO AHEAD.
>> YOU CAN SEE OUR TRANSMISSION
LINES ON THIS MAP HE CLEARLY.
>> LET'S GO DIRECTLY OVER A
PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
>> HOW MANY FEET WIDE?
>> APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET WIDE.
IT VARIES BETWEEN 30 AND 28
FEET.
NORTHWEST PASSAGE LLC, IT'S
ACTUALLY NORTH PASSAGE LLC IS
INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE
PROPERTY TO PROTECT THE TITLE
FOR THE BUILDING.
IT HELPS US CLEAN UP THE
ENCROACHMENT ISSUES WITHIN OUR
CORRIDOR WHICH IS AN EFFORT WE
ARE UNDERTAKING.
>> FAIR MARKET VALUE?
>> IT IS BASED ON APPRAISED
APPROACH FOR THE PROPERTY.
IT INCLUDES THE RESERVATION OF
OUR EASEMENT FOR SCL.
>> HOW RECENTLY WAS THAT DONE?
>> IT WAS RECENTLY UPDATED
PARTICIPATING VISTA COUNCIL.
PRIOR TO SUBMITTING THIS FOR
REVIEW. IT WAS REVIEWED AND
UPDATED.
>> WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COUPLE
MORE SLIDES COMING AFTER THE
MAP.
>> ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS
FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS
THAT THEY ARE UNDER THE
TRANSMISSION LINES.
UNDER THE CURRENT BUILDING CODE
YOU CAN'T BUILD BUILDINGS UNDER
THE TRANSITION LINES FOR SAFETY
REASONS.
ALSO THE AREA IS ZONED
INDUSTRIAL BUFFER WHICH IS A
TRANSITION BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL
AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND IT'S
ALSO WITHIN THE SHORELINE
MANAGEMENT ZONE.
>> ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS?
>> NO.
UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS?
>> ANY QUESTIONS AT THE TABLE?
I WANT TO REITERATE WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT A PERSONAL
PROPERTY THAT IS 30 FEET WIDE
THAT HAS SEATTLE CITY LIGHT
WIRES RUN ABOVE IT.
AND ALREADY HAS AN EXISTING
HOLDING ON IT SO THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR BUILDING HOUSING ON THIS
VERY NARROW SLICE OF LAND IS
NOT POSSIBLE.
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
ALSO FIRE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW
US TO PUT RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS
UNDER THE LINES.
>> AND IF YOU'D LIKE, MAYBE WE
COULD SAVE THIS FOR THE NEXT
DISCUSSION, BUT I KNOW THERE'S
ONGOING CONVERSATION PER OUR
LEGISLATION LAST YEAR TO ENSURE
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS
GO TO THE OFFICE OF HOUSING.
$220,000 OF VALUE, NOT A TON OF
MONEY BUT THERE HAVE BEEN
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHERE THE
SALE DOLLARS WILL ULTIMATELY
END UP.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THE 80%
AMOUNT IN THE RESOLUTION LAST
YEAR HAS TO DO WITH CITY
PROPERTY IN GENERAL, THE CITY
LIGHT PROPERTY WAS IN THAT
RESOLUTION SET ASIDE BECAUSE OF
THE RULES AROUND THE
DISPOSITION OF CITY LIGHT
PROPERTY.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE
CLARIFICATION.
YOU MIND ELABORATING ON THAT
DUE TO THE RATEPAYER
REQUIREMENTS?
>> HE SAID THE MAGIC WORD I WAS
GOING TO SAY.
BECAUSE OF THE RULES CITY LIGHT
HAS TO ABIDE BY IN TERMS OF
MAKING RATEPAYERS HOLD FOR
PROPERTY UTILITY RUNS, THERE
WERE TWO RESOLUTIONS.
ONE THAT DEALT WITH CITY
PROPERTY IN GENERAL.
THAT RESOLUTION SET ASIDE CITY
LIGHT PROPERTIES AND SAYS IT
DOESN'T MEAN THIS BECAUSE OF
THE RULES AROUND THE SALE OF
SURPLUS PROPERTY FOR CITY
LIGHT.
ANOTHER RESOLUTION TO TALK
ABOUT ADDRESSING THE CHANGES AT
THE STATE WITH REGARD TO THE
DISPOSITION OF CITY LIGHT WHERE
OTHER UTILITY PROPERTY COULD BE
USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT IS THE OTHER RESOLUTION
YOU ALLUDED TO THIS MORNING.
>> I WANT TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE A
MEMO THAT ARTICULATES THE FACT
THAT WE THINK THERE IS THE
POSSIBILITY OF MAKING
RATEPAYERS HOLD AT TRADITIONALLY
PRICE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE.
A CREATIVE WAY TO ENSURE IF
THERE WAS A NONPROFIT DEVELOPER
INTERESTED IN AFFORDABLE
HOUSING MABE THERE WOULD BE IN
CREATIVE WAYS TO MAKE IT
AVAILABLE. IN THIS CASE IT'S A
PRIVATE COMPANY, NOT PROPERTY
THAT CAN BE USED FOR HOUSING I
THINK IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THAT
SAME STANDARD.
>> CORRECT.
>> WHAT I'M GOING TO DO
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ IS I'M
GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR
INDULGENCE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE OBJECTION I
WOULD LIKE THE COUNSEL RULES TO
BE SUSPENDED TO VOTE ON THE
COUNSEL BILL IN FRONT OF US ON
THE SAME DAY AS A PUBLIC
HEARING THAT WAS HELD.
>> NO OBJECTION.
THE COUNSEL RULES WILL BE
SUSPENDED FOR THE COMMITTEE TO
VOTE ON THE REQUISITE COUNSEL
BILL WHEN 19462 ON THE SAME DAY
AS THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD.
HERE WE GO.
I MOVE COMMITTEE MOVE PASSAGE OF
COUNSEL BILL 119462.
>> SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
ALL IN FAVOR AYE WE GOT
THROUGH THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE
TO WALK THROUGH ALL THOSE
IMPORTANT CONDITIONS FORCE.
>> WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING AT THE
TABLE.
WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU AND
AS WE GET PREPARED FOR THIS,
FOLKS WERE HERE TO TALK ABOUT
THE RATE DESIGN IF YOU COULD
JOIN US AT THE TABLE YOU CAN
JOIN US AT THE TABLE.
>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT RATE DESIGN
FOR BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION.
>> WE ARE CLIPPING ALONG MADAM
CHAIR.
JOHNNY, DID YOU WANT TO JOIN US?
YOU ARE GOOD
>> FIRST LET ME JUST SAY BEFORE
WE DO INTRODUCTIONS, THANK YOU
AGAIN, I KNOW OUR INCREDIBLE
RATE DESIGN I'M SORRY I REVIEW
PANEL MEMBERS ARE VOLUNTEER.
YOU HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS AND
THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR WE GOT
AT NUCOR THE OTHER DAY.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OTHER
FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN THERE
JOIN US AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S
INCREDIBLE, THE WAY IN WHICH
YOU ARE CONSERVING ENERGY AND
CREATING LIVING WAGE JOBS.
WE APPRECIATE THAT.
IN ADDITION TO THE WORK YOU DO
IN YOUR DAY JOBS WE KNOW THIS
IS BEEN A HUGE ADD ON TO YOUR
PLATE.
IT SUCH INCREDIBLE --
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WORK YOU
ARE DOING.
THE REVIEW PANEL HAS ASKED FOR
THIS TO BE REVIEWED IN THE PAST
AND WE NOW ARE ASKING YOU TO DO
THIS IN A PRETTY ACCELERATED
TIMEFRAME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND YOU
HEARD IT FROM MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY IN THE PUBLIC
TESTIMONY SAYING THANK YOU FOR
ALL OF THE TIME AND WORK YOU
PUT INTO THIS AND FOR THE
TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
THAT IS GREAT TO HEAR.
BEFORE WE START I WANT TO GIVE
FOLKS A CHANCE TO INTRODUCE
THEMSELVES.
>> GAIL.
>> I'M PATRICK JABLONSKI,
CURRENT -- DEBRA SMITH.
>> I THINK YOUR BUTTON MIGHT
NOT BE ON.
>> LEE, CITY LIGHTS TWO PLANNING
>> CARSON, THE RATES MANAGER
FOR CITY LIGHT.
>> WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK.
WE KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING
VERY HARD AND I WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ON TRACK.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS MID-/END
OF FEBRUARY, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO COME BACK
WITH THE FINAL REPORT LATER
THIS SUMMER.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE
VERY MUCH ON TRACK WITH MEETING
THOSE GOALS.
THANK YOU FOR THIS INTERIM
REPORT AND I WILL LET YOU KICK
US OFF.
>> FIRST OF ALL VEHICLE BUT, 1
MILLION EYES LOOKED AT THIS
REPORT.
YOU ARE GRACIOUS TO SAY THIS
SUMMER BUT ACTUALLY IT'S APRIL
1, NOT AUGUST 1. WE WILL BE
BACK SOON.
>> THAT IS GREAT.
I WILL SEE YOU SOON.
>> SOONER THAN YOU THOUGHT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THAT WAS A HOUSEKEEPING.
THE OTHER I COULD CALL
HOUSEKEEPING BUT PERHAPS MOTIVE
THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, I
NEED TO DO A SHUTOUT AND THINK
THE WHOLE REVIEW PANEL BECAUSE
THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK.
FOR ME AS A NEW PERSON IT'S
BEEN FUN AND CHALLENGING.
A GREAT WAY TO GET TO KNOW THE
REVIEW PANEL BECAUSE YOU HAVE
BEEN REALLY ENGAGED.
THESE ARE OUR CHAIRS AND I
APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU, I
ESPECIALLY WANT TO MENTION THE
OTHER MEMBERS OF THE REVIEW
PANEL WHO ARE HERE TO THE
PUBLIC APPRECIATES SARAH PATTON
AND THOMAS BUCHANAN, DAVID
ALLEN, LEON GARNETT, JOHN POTTS
AND OF COURSE OUR CHAIRS HERE.
I WOULD NOTE WE HAVE SEVERAL
VACANCIES AND I KNOW YOU'RE
CONSIDERING, AS IS THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE, AND WE ARE ANXIOUS AND
EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
FULLER COMPLEMENT VERY SOON.
I WANT TO MENTION STAFF.
LEE AND CARSTEN ARE HERE
THINKING THIS, I'M NOT HERE BY
MYSELF, SOME OF THE HEAVY
HITTERS WHO TOGETHER WITH LEE
AND KIRSTEN WORKING ON THIS
BEFORE I JOINED UTILITY,
ROBERT, KRISTI GRANGER AND PAUL
, THEY ARE ALL ON MUCH-NEEDED
VACATIONS.
MAYBE THEY ARE WATCHING ON TV.
I'M GOING TO GUESS NOT BUT THEY
WILL PROBABLY WATCH THE RERUN,
DON'T YOU THINK?
AND THEN KATHLEEN WHO HAS BEEN
PROVIDING ALL THE ADMIN SUPPORT
AND TAKING CARE OF THE GROUP.
SHE HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
ERIC AND GREG FROM THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE, AND ERIC WHO HAS COME
UP TO SPEED QUICKLY.
WE REALLY LIKE WORKING WITH
YOU.
IT WAS A LOT YOU HAVE ASKED
GOOD QUESTIONS RIGHT FROM THE
BEGINNING.
ALSO REALLY THANKS TO JOHNNY
BECAUSE JOHNNY REALLY HAS BEEN
TO ALMOST EVERY MEETING. WE
HAVE APPRECIATED AS STAFF THE
OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HAVE I
GUESS OPEN COLLABORATIVE
SOMETIMES CONVERSATIONS WHERE
WE DON'T AGREE BUT IT'S BEEN
REALLY HELPFUL.
THE COMMENTS THAT COME INTO THE
ROOM HAVE BEEN HELPFUL AND
STAFF, WE HAVE ALSO LEARNED A
LOT BY WORKING OFF-LINE WITH
THEM.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
JUST THIS MORNING I SAW THIS
SERIES GOT SENT OUT BY AN
ORGANIZATION CALLED UTILITY
DIVE AND I THOUGHT I WOULD READ
A QUOTE.
THEY ARE DOING A LINE, A SERIES
OF ARTICLES ABOUT THE UTILITY
BUSINESS MODEL REFORM.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
RATE REDESIGN IS ABOUT UTILITY
IS THIS MODEL REFORM.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS GREAT.
THEY SAID WHAT WILL RATES LOOK
LIKE THE UTILITY OF THE FUTURE?
REGULATORS, INDUSTRY AND OTHERS
ARE WORKING TO MODERNIZE THE
GRID AND KEEP UTILITIES VIABLE
WITHOUT A FINANCIAL STRAIN ON
CUSTOMERS.
FROM SOME SCRIPTION STYLE RATES
TO ALTERNATIVES REGULATORS ARE
PUSHING TO DRIVE DOWN PEAK
ENERGY USE AND MAINTAIN A
RELIABLE, RESILIENT GRID.
THE ANSWER, AS MANY EXPERTS
HAVE PULLED UTILITY DIVE, IS A
COMBINATION OF RATEMAKING AND
INVESTING.
THIS IS THE PART I LIKE.
THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET, MORE
OF A GOLDEN BUCKSHOT TO TAKE ON
THIS CHALLENG.
DOES THAT RESONATE FOR YOU GUYS?
AS WE HAVE BEEN MAKING SAUSAGE
THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT
DEFINITELY FEELS LIKE A GOLDEN
BUCKSHOT.
I WANT TO NOTE THAT A UTILITY
DIVE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT
TALKS ABOUT INVESTOR UTILITIES
LIKE PUGET SOUND ENERGY AS WELL
AS PUBLIC UTILITIES OR
MUNICIPALS LIKE SEATTLE CITY
LIGHT.
IN THIS SENSE YOU ARE THE
REGULATORS.
THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE
REGULATOR RESPONSIBLE FOR
SETTING RATES.
THE MESSAGE TO YOU AS MUCH AS
ANYONE.
A HARD PLACE TO BE AND JOHNNY
MENTIONED THAT.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A FEW
COMMENTS UP FRONT AND MAKE SURE
WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH
RESPECT TO, WHAT IS REDESIGN
AND WHAT IS THE WORK WE ARE
TRYING TO PUBLISH TOGETHER?
RATE DESIGN IS A TERM DESCRIBED
USE STRUCTURES USED BY ELECTRIC
UTILITIES TO COLLECT REVENUES
FROM CUSTOMERS.
RATES CAN BE DESIGNED USING ANY
COMBINATION OF CHARGES, GET
FIXED, VOLUMETRIC, CONSUMPTION-
BASED, PEAKING WHICH IS DEMAND,
AND THAT IS A FORM OF RATE
STRUCTURE WE OFTEN USE FOR
LARGER COMMERCIAL AND
INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS, THOSE ARE
THE MOST COMMON CATEGORIES
TODAY.
IN TRADITIONAL RATEMAKING USED
TO COLLECT REVENUES.
SEATTLE IS GROWING.
AS WE KNOW THAT PUTS A STRAIN
ON US.
WE ARE SERVING MORE AND MORE
CUSTOMERS.
BUT OUR CUSTOMERS ARE USING
LESS AND LESS ELECTRICITY WHICH
IS A GOOD THING.
AS JOHNNY POINTED OUT WE HAVE
BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON
ENCOURAGING CUSTOMERS
FINANCIALLY AND OTHERWISE TO
USE IT CAREFULLY, CONSERVE
RESOURCES AND HELP US MANAGE
THE NEED FOR NEW RESOURCES IN
THE FUTURE.
>> THAT WAS REALLY HARD IN THE
LAST FEW WEEKS WITH THE SEATTLE
FREEZE.
I DON'T THINK MY HEATER IS BEEN
ON THAT LONG FOR THAT LONG OF
TIME.
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ HAD A
QUICK QUESTION.
>> YOU RATTLED OFF THE
VARIABLES OR FACTORS FOR
REDESIGN.
THEY ARE NOT IN THE POWERPOINT.
CAN YOU GET THOSE TO US?
>> I THINK IT'S IN THE MEMO BUT
I WILL MAKE SURE.
WE DID PUT TOGETHER, AND I
DON'T RECALL WHETHER WE
PROVIDED THE RATE 101 PIECES TO
THE COUNCIL , DO YOU KNOW
WHETHER WE DID?
WE HAVE ANOTHER PIECE I WILL
MAKE SURE YOU GET COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ WHICH IS REALLY
HELPFUL.
IT SETS THROUGH A HIGH-LEVEL
WHAT IS REDESIGN.
IT WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE AS WELL AND WE
WILL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THAT.
>> WE HAVE KNOWN FROM THIS
COMMITTEE BEFORE IN DISCUSSIONS
WHEN THEY LOOK AT POTENTIAL REE
HEIGHTS IN THE PUBLIC OR CREDIT
SECTOR, THAT WAS WANT TO KNOW
UP FRONT WHAT ARE THE FACTORS
YOU LOOK AT IF YOU CAN TELL ME
WHERE I JUST NEED TO KNOW FOR
THE VIEWING PUBLIC.
>> WHAT I SAID -- IN THIS THIS
-- RATES ARE COMBINATION, AND
THIS I GUESS IS THE POINT I'M
TRYING TO MAKE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT RATES, THERE IS
THIS PIECE AROUND REVENUE.
WHICH IS HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE
NEED TO COLLECT?
AND THEN THERE IS HOW DO WE
COLLECT THE REVENUE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT, PARTICULARLY
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PORTABILITY
AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE
BOTH SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE
OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO
IS MANAGE THE REVENUE
REQUIREMENT.
THAT IS WHERE YOU SET THE
BUDGET, THERE'S REQUIREMENT WE
PULL BACK, THAT IS PART OF THAT
LET'S MANAGE THE REVENUE
REQUIREMENT.
ONCE YOU SETTLE ON THAT NUMBER,
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COLLECT IT
AND COLLECT IT IN WAYS THAT ARE
EQUABLE AND FAIR?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRADITIONAL
RATE DESIGN THERE IS FIXED
CHARGES, THERE IS VOLUMETRIC
CHARGES THE GET COLLECTED PER
THE WH, KILO -- KILOWATT HOUR
SOLD, AND THEN DEMAND CHARGES.
IN THEORY, AND THIS IS WHAT
JOHNNY REFERRED TO IN THE
TESTIMONY, THERE ARE CERTAIN
COSTS ARE FIXED TO THE CUSTOMER
BASED ON THE COST OF GETTING
POWER INTO THE HOME.
I WILL JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
THERE IS DISAGREEMENT OFTEN ON
WHAT GOES INTO THAT BUCKET.
THAT IS WHAT SOME OF THE
CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING
WITH THE STAFF AND JOHNNY IS
WHAT GOES IN THAT BUCKET.
THE PER KEY WH -- KILO CHARGE
AND THEN THE DEMAND CHARGE IS
AROUND HOW DO YOU MEET AT THE
TIME OF DAY WHEN CONSUMPTION IS
THE HIGHEST.
PEAK CONSUMPTION IS WHAT DRIVES
THE NEED FOR NEW RESOURCES.
THOSE ARE KIND OF THE AREAS.
WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE RATE
DESIGN HOW DO YOU COLLECT
THOSE?
IT'S GENERALLY AN INTERPLAY
BETWEEN THE THREE FACTORS.
WHAT IS INTERESTING TODAY IS
THAT THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF
DISCUSSION ABOUT NEW RATE
STRATEGIES.
NEW WAYS OF RECOVERING THOSE.
EVERYTHING FROM SUBSCRIPTION
STYLE RATES, NETFLIX, OR AMAZON
PRIME, THAT IS SERIOUSLY
SOMETHING BEING CONSIDERED A
LOT.
ONE THAT WE ARE CERTAINLY
TALKING A LOT ABOUT AND WE WILL
TALK ABOUT LATER IS TIME OF USE
PRICING.
RIGHT NOW, CITY LIGHT COLLECTS
WITH A RELATIVELY LOW FIXED
CHARGE AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE
CALL TIERED RATES.
TIERED RATES ARE A RATE DESIGN
STRATEGY DESIGNED TO ENCOURAGE
FOLKS TO CONSERVE.
IT MEANS YOU GET A FIXED SET, I
THINK IN OUR SET IT IS IN THE
SUMMER 300 KWH IN THE WINTER
THINK IT IS 480 KWH, SO YOU GET
THE FIRST BLOCK AT A RELATIVELY
LOW RATE AND THEN USE MORE YOU
PAY MORE.
TIME OF USE RATES DOES THE SAME
THING BUT IT VACILLATES BASED
ON WHEN YOU USE THE ENERGY
VERSUS WHAT TIME OF YEAR OR HOW
MUCH.
GROWING CONSUMPTION, DECLINING
PUTS PRESSURES ON US BECAUSE IT
MEANS THE GENERAL REVENUE, THE
REVENUE WE COLLECT IN THAT
VOLUMETRIC CHARGE IS DROPPING.
RATE DESIGN IS A HUGE POLICY
ISSUE FOR US BECAUSE IT WILL
IMPACT THE WAY WE ARE ABLE TO
GRACEFULLY BECOME THAT UTILITY
OF THE FUTURE.
DURING THE COUNCIL ADOPTION
PROCESS FOR THE 2019 STRATEGIC
PLAN YOU INCLUDED IN RESOLUTION
A PROVISION REQUESTING THAT THE
NEW GM, WHO HAD BEEN CHOSEN
YET, AND THE REVIEW PANEL
ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND
RECOMMEND CHANGES TO RATE
DESIGN.
THAT WAS VERY LONG, I
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SHARE BASICS.
THIS GROUP HASN'T BEEN WORKING
ON REVENUE REQUIREMENT.
THIS GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING ON
RATE DESIGN AT THIS POINT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE
WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW.
WITHOUT LOOKING AT REVENUE
REQUIREMENT, RATE DESIGN IS A
ZERO-SUM GAME.
IF I CHANGE MY STRUCTURE SO I
COLLECT LESS REVENUE FROM ONE
CUSTOMER GROUP, BY DEFINITION
IF MIGHT REVENUE REQUIREMENT
HASN'T CHANGED I'M GOING TO
NEED TO COLLECT MORE FROM
ANOTHER.
THAT IS TENSION.
WHEN WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT TOOLS
AVAILABLE TO US, WE ARE ALWAYS
THINKING OF THAT TENSION AND WE
ARE THINKING OF IT FROM A
SOCIAL AND EQUITABLE
PERSPECTIVE.
HOW WE DO THAT IN WAYS THAT ARE
FAIR AND HAVE CUSTOMERS PAYING
FOR THE APPROPRIATE COST OF
PROVIDING THE SERVICE?
>> A FEW QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, WE KNOW IN THE
STRATEGIC PLAN WE ASKED CITY
LIGHT TO CONSIDER OVER SPENDS
ON CAPITAL PROJECTS AND
OPERATING WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN
BE MORE EFFICIENT.
I KNOW THAT THAT IS AN ONGOING
CONVERSATION YOU ARE LEADING
WITHIN CITY LIGHT.
IN THEORY THE REVENUE
REQUIREMENT QUESTION IS GOING
TO BE ANSWERED THROUGH THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AROUND WAYS IN
WHICH WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT
IN OPERATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION
AND MAINTENANCE.
PUTTING THAT ASIDE, YOU STILL
FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE STRONG
DIRECTIVE TO FOCUS ON THE RATE
DESIGN ABSENT THIS CONVERSATION
BEING CONCLUDED --?
>> THEY ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
THEY ARE SEPARATE PROCESSES.
THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT PIECE,
AND WE HAVE HAD SOME
PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS ON
THAT AS WELL, NOT PRELIMINARY,
PAULA AND KRISTI AND I, BUT WE
WILL BE WORKING AND TAKING THAT
UP THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS
THE CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS
AND INITIATIVES IN OUR
STRATEGIC PLAN THE DEAL
SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT.
THIS PIECE IS AROUND REVENUE
DESIGN, THE RATE DESIGN PIECE.
BUT FOR THE RECORD, I WILL READ
INTO THE RECORD THE
REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN
RESOLUTION 31819 THAT OUTLINED
WHAT WE HAD ASKED THE SEATTLE
CITY LIGHT REVIEW PANEL AND
GENERAL MANAGER TO CONSIDER.
WE ASKED YOU TO MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS WITH PEAK
COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO WERE
KIND ENOUGH TO SEND US A LETTER
IN JULY 2017. IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU'VE BEEN HEAVILY ENGAGED
WITH THAT PROCESS.
TO DO AN UPDATE TO THE RATE
DESIGN WHICH MAY INCLUDE BUT
NOT LIMITED TO COINCIDENT PEAK
DECLINING BLOCK RATE, VOLUNTARY
TIME OF USE, MORE PROGRESSIVE
RATE BLOCKS FOR RESIDENTIAL
RATES, RATE BLOCK FOR SMALL AND
MEDIUM GENERAL SERVICE
CUSTOMERS, AND/OR OTHER OPTIONS
TO CREATE GREATER STABILITY
WHILE PROMOTING CONSERVATION,
TREATED ENERGY RESOURCES AND
REVENUE STABILITY FOR SEATTLE
CITY LIGHT.
IN ADDITION, WHILE YOU CONSIDER
THESE APPROACHES THE REVIEW
PANEL SHOULD RECOGNIZE
SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN FIXED
OR FLAT CHARGES TO REDUCE THE
COMMODITY PRICE OUR COUNTER TO
THE COUNTERS -- CITIES GOALS OF
INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY AS
WELL AS FINANCIAL IMPACTS ON
LOW AND MODERATE INCOME
HOUSEHOLDS AND WILL BE STRONGLY
DISFAVORED BY CITY COUNCIL AS
PART OF THE FINAL ORDINANCE.
THE REPORT WILL COME BACK WITH
YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR
CONSIDERATION BY APRIL 1. THANK
YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION.
SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY CONSIDER
THE RECOMMENDATION IN
LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO BE
IMPLEMENTED AND UPDATED INTO
THE STRATEGIC PLAN BY JULY OF
THIS YEAR.
JUST FOR REFERENCE.
WILL MAKE SURE THIS GETS INTO A
MEMO THE NEXT TIME FOLKS COME
AROUND FOR THE FINAL REPORT SO
WE CAN SEE WHAT IT IS WE ASKED
FOR, WHAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING
AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS.
>> THESE FOLKS WERE THINKING,
AUGUST, I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY
MORE MONTHS.
THAT IS ALL CORRECT.
THIS BRIEFING IS ON THE RATE
DESIGN PROJECT SPECIFICALLY.
AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK
ON THE INITIAL REPORT.
THAT IS WHAT WE HOPE TO COME
AWAY FROM TODAY.
PICTURE WE ARE ON THE SAME
PATH, THE RIGHT PATH AND THAT
WE ARE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS
YOU WANTED ANSWERED AS WE MOVE
INTO THE FINAL STAGES OF THIS
WORK.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO
PATRICK NOW. GAIL YOU SHOULD
PROVIDE KILLER COMMENTARY AS WE
GO.
>> PLEASE GAIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, THIS
IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
>> THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING.
>> I APPRECIATE IT.
THE PANEL APPRECIATES THE
ATTENTION THIS HAS GOTTEN.
SO UP HERE IS THE TIMELINE OR
WORKPLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE BEEN
BUSY AS HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED.
úWE HAVE MET 10 TIMES OVER THE
LAST SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS.
AND REALLY HAVE DUG IN AND
FOCUS ON THE ISSUE.
THIS SUMMER WAS SPENT SCOPING
THE PROJECT IN DEVELOPING THE
WORKPLAN AS WELL AS PLANNING
OUTREACH WHICH IS ANOTHER MAJOR
COMPONENT OF THE WORKPLAN.
IN OCTOBER WE HELD TWO
STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THAT WILL
TALK MORE DETAIL.
NOVEMBER WAS ABOUT SYNTHESIZING
THE INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS AND
THEN WE STARTED TO FOCUS ON
THIS INITIAL OR INTERIM REPORT
THAT WE ARE REVIEWING TODAY.
SO FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY WE
HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL OUTREACH
TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AS
WELL AS ANOTHER TOUCH POINT FOR
MANY OF THE SAME FOLKS WE HEARD
FROM IN OCTOBER.
AND AS WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE
THE FINAL REPORT WE SHOULD BE
WRAPPING UP IN OUR MARCH 16
MEETING.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
WE BROKE OUR INITIAL REPORT
INTO FOUR COMPONENTS.
I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO TWO OF
THEM AND TURN IT OVER TO DEBORAH
. FIRST PUBLIC OUTREACH
RESULTS, SECOND WE WILL TALK TO
A COMPARATIVE STUDY THAT WAS
PART OF THE REQUEST FOR COUNCIL
THAT TOOK A LOOK AT OTHER
UTILITIES. TALK THROUGH SOME
DRAFT POLICY GOALS FOR REVISED
RATE DESIGN AND THE HOW WE GET
THERE, WE ARE TURNING AS MEANS.
>> WHAT OTHER UTILITIES DID YOU
LOOK AT?
>> QUESTION.
THE REPORT IS IN THE APPENDIX
OF THE INITIAL REPORT AS FAR AS
WHICH ONES I CAN KIND OF
CHARACTERIZE, IOUS VERSUS
PUBLIC ONCE.
>> IT COVERED EIGHT LARGE
VISIBLE, FOR INVESTOR AND THREE
OTHER MUNICIPAL UTILITIES THAT
HAVE ADOPTED INNOVATIVE GREAT
DESIGNS.
>>'S ARE THE SAME ONES WE HAVE
USED FOR COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS
BEFORE, AREN'T THEY?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
THAT.
I CAN GET THAT.
>> WE KEEP COMPARING UTILITIES
THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO
IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE.
>> THEY ARE MEANT TO BE
COMPARABLE.
>> WELL WE HAVE A PAUSE I WANT
TO WELCOME COUNCILMEMBER
BAGSHAW .
>> NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> OKAY.
MOVING ON.
AND HER STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT,
AS I MENTIONED WE HAD TWO
STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS IN OCTOBER
AND WE ALSO PROVIDED THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR FEEDBACK FOR
FOLKS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK IN
WRITING. THE PARTICIPANTS
REFLECTED A WIDE RANGE OF
GROUPS AND YOU CAN SEE WHO WE
HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM IN
THE OCTOBER STAKEHOLDER
MEETINGS ON THE RIGHT OF THE
SLIDE.
EACH PARTICIPANT IN THE PROCESS
HAD 20 OF TIME TO SHARE THEIR
THOUGHTS AND THEN REALLY IN A
CONVERSATIONAL FORMAT THE
REVIEW PANEL ASKED QUESTIONS
AND REALLY GOT IN-DEPTH ON THIS
WHICH IS AS YOU'RE GOING TO
HEAR REPETITIVELY, THIS IS A
COMPLEX ISSUE.
THE FEEDBACK -- ONE THE PANEL
NOTED IS THE FEEDBACK DID
INCLUDE SOME CONFLICTING
REQUESTS AS DEBRA HAD TERMED
ON THE REDESIGN SIDE IS
SOMEWHAT OF A ZERO SUM GAME.
THAT WAS REFLECTED IN THE
FEEDBACK WE HEARD.
ONE CUSTOMER NOTED THAT CITY
LIGHT WAS LOW COMPARED TO OTHER
UTILITIES AND SUGGESTED THEY BE
HIGHER.
WE HEARD FROM OTHERS THEY WERE
TOO HIGH AND COULD PRESENT A
POTENTIAL BARRIER TO THINGS LIKE
ELECTRIFYING FLEETS AND BUSES.
IT CERTAINLY HIGHLIGHTS THE
CHALLENGING BALANCING ACT
INHERENT IN RATE DESIGN.
THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT WAS
HELPFUL TO THE PANEL IN BOTH
HELPING US UNDERSTAND THE
DIFFERENCE PERSPECTIVES AS WELL
AS AN EDUCATION IN WHAT
POTENTIAL OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE.
WE DID NOTE IN THE RESPONSE TO
STAKEHOLDER INPUT THERE WAS A
LOW RESPONSE FROM RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMERS.
THIS MONTH WE SORT OF HAVE A
PROCESS TO MAKE UP FOR THAT AND
HOPEFULLY HEAR FROM THOSE FOLKS
AS WELL.
THAT IS ONGOING.
I THINK WE HAVE HAD TWO OR
THREE FOCUS GROUPS.
>> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT
PROCESS TO REACHING OUT TO
CUSTOMERS ESPECIALLY LOWER
INCOME FOLKS?
>> WE CONDUCTED THREE FOCUS
GROUPS.
WE HAVE HAD TWO RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMER FOCUS GROUPS AND THE
THIRD IS SPANISH-SPEAKING IT
WAS HELD LAST NIGHT.
THAT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
WE STRUGGLED WITH THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A SURVEY
TOGETHER BUT THE ISSUE IS SO
COMPLEX WE THOUGHT ANYTHING WE
WROTE WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR
THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMER TO RESPOND TO WHICH IS
WHY WE OPTED TO ENGAGE IN
ORGANIZATION TO HELP US RING
PEOPLE IN AND HAVE A LONG
CONVERSATION ABOUT RATE DESIGN
CONCEPTS AND PRINCIPLES AND
PRIORITIES.
THOSE RESULTS WILL BE AVAILABLE
IN EARLY MARCH AND WILL BE
INCLUDED IN THE FINAL REPORT OR
WILL INFORM THE FINAL REPORT.
>> GREAT.
HOW DID YOU DO OUTREACH TO
ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO COME TO
THAT?
>> FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IF
YOU RECALL WE DID EXTENSIVE
OUTREACH, A CUSTOMER SURVEY.
DURING THE SURVEY WE ASKED
CUSTOMERS TO INDICATE IF THEY
WOULD BE INTERESTED AND WILLING
TO PARTICIPANT IN SUBSEQUENT
EFFORTS SO WE WENT BACK TO THE
MARKETING FIRM WE ENGAGED THEY
WENT BACK TO THE CUSTOMERS AND
ASKED THEM TO PARTICIPATE.
>> LAST QUESTION ON THIS, DO
YOU HAVE ANY MORE FOCUS GROUPS
COMING UP THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE
TO AUDIT, NOT AUDIT IN THE
OFFICIAL SENSE BUT THAT I MIGHT
BE ABLE TO SIT IN ON SO I COULD
LEARN AS WELL?
>> THEY ARE CONCLUDED FOR NOW
BUT AS YOU KNOW OUR STRATEGIC
PLAN INITIATIVE WITH REGARD TO
RATE DESIGN WILL CONTINUE TO DO
FURTHER RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER
OUTREACH.
I AUDITED ONE TUESDAY NIGHT AND
IT WAS FASCINATING TO LISTEN TO
CUSTOMERS TALK ABOUT UTILITY.
>> I WOULD LOVE TO ATTEND.
SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT AS
WELL.
IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW WE MAY
BE INTERESTED IN SITTING IN ON
THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU TRY TO
TAKE ME HIKING.
THANK YOU FOR THE INVITE.
I'M SURE COUNCILMEMBER BAGSHAW
WOULD LIKE TO.
>> THEY ARE RECORDED HOWEVER.
>> COULD YOU SEND US THAT, THE
SPANISH-SPEAKING ONE BE OF
INTEREST AS WELL.
>> NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
PART TWO OF THE FOUR ITEMS
COVERED IN THE INITIAL REPORT
HAS TO DO WITH THE COMPARATIVE
UTILITY STUDY.
WE BRIEFLY WENT OVER THIS A FEW
MOMENTS AGO,, CONDUCTED BY A
THIRD-PARTY THAT WAS SOMEWHAT
OF AN EXPERT IN RATE DESIGN
CUTTHROAT CONSULTING.
>> THEY ARE CALLED CUTTHROAT
CONSULTING?
>> [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS IS A MESSY PROCESS.
>> YESTERDAY I WAS OUT SICK SO
MY EARS ARE PLUGGED UP.
MY APOLOGIES.
>> THAT IS FUNNY.
>> AS WAS MENTIONED, SURVEYED
EIGHT LARGE MUNICIPALS, FOUR
INVESTOR-OWNED UTILITIES IN THE
PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND THREE
OTHER MUNICIPAL UTILITIES THAT
WERE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED
BECAUSE I THINK OF THE ASKS
FROM COUNCIL WAS THAT WE TAKE
A LOOK AT INNOVATIVE GREAT
DESIGNS SO WE SPECIFICALLY
IDENTIFIED THREE AND
INCORPORATED THEM INTO THE
COMPARATIVE UTILITY STUDY.
MANY OF THE THEMES OUT THERE
WERE VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
WE HAVE HEARD AT OUR OCTOBER
STAKEHOLDER SESSIONS.
LOTS OF STUFF AROUND UTILITIES
LEVERAGING NEW TECHNOLOGIES,
LIKE ADVANCED METERING AND
OFFERING A LITTLE MORE
SOPHISTICATED GREAT DESIGNS
THAT VARY BY TIME OF DAY OR
SEASON AND ALSO THE
INCORPORATION OF INDUSTRIAL
RATES FOR LARGE CUSTOMERS, I'M
SORRY INTERRUPTIBLE RATES FOR
LARGE CUSTOMERS TO HELP WITH
GREAT CONGESTION.
>> I DON'T INTERRUPT YOUR FLOW,
BUT I'M VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT
SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE.
I KNOW OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE
SPOKEN ABOUT, WHAT CAN
RESIDENTS AND RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMERS DO TO HELP LOWER
THEIR BILLS?
YOU JUST HIT ON A COUPLE OF
THINGS, WHETHER THEY ARE TIED IN
WITH THE SOLAR ON THEIR ROOF,
WHETHER THAT HAS AN IMPACT
AROUND HERE, THE NOTION THAT
THEY CAN USE OFF CYCLE -- SAY
THAT AGAIN.
AND SO IF YOU CAN FOCUS ON THAT
TODAY, AND HELP US UNDERSTAND,
BECAUSE ON THIS COUNCIL, I
NOTE YOU WILL KNOW THIS, WE HAVE
ONE OR TWO COUNCILMEMBERS WHO
REALLY BELIEVE RESIDENTIAL
RATES ARE TOO HIGH AND
INDUSTRIAL RATES ARE TOO LOW.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT
RESIDENTIAL USERS COULD DO TO
HELP THEMSELVES LOWER THEIR
RATES.
>> I WILL LIKELY TURN IT OVER
TO DEBRA WHO CAN ARTICULATE IT
BETTER.
THE FULL COMPARATIVE UTILITY
STUDY IS IN AN APPENDIX IN THIS
REPORT AS WELL AS OUR ATTEMPTED
TO SUMMARIZE SOME BUCKETS.
THAT IS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT.
>> FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE YOUR
PRESENTATION, IF YOU CAN JUST
PUT A BOOKMARK IN THAT
QUESTION.
WE CAN GET BACK TO IT.
>> OKAY, THANKS.
ALSO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION
WITH UTILITIES, OR SOME
EXAMPLES OF UTILITIES DOING
THINGS LIKE INNOVATIVE RATE,
PILOT RATE PROGRAMS LIKE I
MENTIONED FOR ELECTRIC
VEHICLES.
CRITICAL PRICE, A HIGH PRICE
FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO
MANAGE SYSTEM PEAKS.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE
SPEAKING ABOUT.
AS I MENTIONED THAT IS
CONTAINED WITHIN THIS REPORT.
>> IT IS BACK TO ME.
ONE OF THE THINGS, WHEN I
JOINED THE GROUP, ONE OF MY
FIRST MEETINGS WAS THE SECOND
PUBLIC INPUT SESSION.
A LOT OF THE WORK HAVE BEEN
DONE.
BUT I CAME IN AND WE STARTED
TALKING ABOUT THIS CONCEPT OF
MEANS AND ENDS.
I THINK IS A POLICY BOARD AND
COUNCILMEMBER BAGSHAW , YOU
GOT HERE A LITTLE LATE, I SPOKE
EARLIER ABOUT HOW INVESTOR-
OWNED UTILITIES OBVIOUSLY HAVE
REGULATORS GENERALLY IN OLYMPIA
AND WASHINGTON STATE AND YOU
ARE THE REGULATORS, THE
COUNCIL IS THE REGULATOR FOR
THIS PUBLICLY OWNED SUPPORT
UTILITY.
POLICIES, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS
ARDUOUS WORK AROUND THINKING
ABOUT POLICIES WHICH ARE NOT,
MANY ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT
WITH ONE ANOTHER, SHOULD HAVE
LONGER LIVES.
SO THE POLICY DIRECTIVES I
BELIEVE SHOULD GUIDE AND SUPPORT
RATE DESIGN TODAY.
RATE DESIGN IS CHANGING VERY
RAPIDLY.
WHAT WE WANT IS WE WANT POLICY
DIRECTION THAT DESCRIBES THE
ENDS WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE
AND PRIORITIZES THOSE ENDS
BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY SOME OF
THEM ARE IN CONFLICT.
AND THE MEANS WILL CHANGE.
AS NOTED, ON THE PREVIOUS
SLIDE, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO
BACK BUT TECHNOLOGY IS A HUGE
ENABLER FOR DIFFERENT RATE
STRUCTURES.
AND CITY LIGHT IS POISED TO
HAVE THAT KIND OF ENABLING
TECHNOLOGY.
WE DON'T HAVE IT YET.
IF WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE
EFFORT AND WE FOCUS ON THE MEANS
VERSUS THE ENDS, THE MEANS WILL
CHANGE.
ONCE AMI IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL
AND WE HAVE THE SECOND PHASE OF
INTEGRATION AND THE THREE-PHASE
METERS WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY
TO DO THINGS QUITE FRANKLY WE
CAN'T DO TODAY.
WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THESE ENDS
AND THOSE ARE THE POLICY
OBJECTIVES.
>> CAN I STOP YOU FOR ONE
MINUTE?
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE
SENTENCE YOU SAID.
WE'VE HEARD THIS ON THE FORMER
DIRECTOR.
WHEN YOU SAY TECHNOLOGY IS A
HUGE ENABLER.
YOU MEAN AS A MEANS TO AN END
TO HAVE MORE EFFICIENCY?
>> IN THIS CASE WHAT I AM
TALKING ABOUT IS A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE GETS DIRECTLY AT
COUNCILMEMBER BAGSHAW 'S
QUESTION.
ONE OF THE REASONS FOR GOING WHY
THEY ARE ADOPTING ADVANCED
METERING AND AMI, IT GIVES
SIGNIFICANTLY MORE CHOICE TO
CUSTOMERS IN TERMS OF RATE
DESIGN AND HOW THEY USE
ELECTRICITY.
IT GIVES THEM MORE INFORMATION.
IT ALLOWS US TO OFFER OPTIONS.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE
HEARD FROM THE FOCUS GROUPS
THAT YOU WILL HEAR IN THE
SECOND PHASE IS, AND I'M GOING
TO GET AT THIS ONE, CUSTOMERS
LIKE CHOICE.
JOHNNY MENTIONED THAT.
IN THE FUTURE UTILITIES, RIGHT
NOW WE HAVE ONE RESIDENTIAL
RATE, AND IT CHANGES BY TIME OF
YEAR EVER SO SLIGHTLY.
BUT THAT'S IT.
CUSTOMERS WANT CHOICES THAT
ALLOW THEM TO DO THE THINGS
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT ALLOW THEM TO CONSUME IN
DIFFERENT WAYS.
TO MANAGE THEIR HOMES AND
FAMILIES AND CONSUMPTION
PATTERNS, TO SAVE MONEY IF THAT
IS HER HIGHEST PRIORITY PERHAPS
TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS IF THAT IS THEIR
PRIORITY.
THE POINT IS CUSTOMERS HAVE
DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY VALUE
AND SO CHOICE ENABLES THEM TO
DO THOSE THINGS.
WE ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET.
THAT IS THE POINT.
TECHNOLOGY WILL ENABLE THAT.
I THINK COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ ,
WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT,
IS THE TECHNOLOGY WILL ENABLE
US TO TAKE -- TO BETTER
UTILIZE OUR LONG POSITION.
WE TALK ABOUT BEING LONG ON
POWER BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE POWER
, WE HAVE MORE GENERATING AND
LONG-TERM CONTRACT POWER THEN
WE USE MOST OF THE TIME.
NOT ALL THE TIME.
BECAUSE WE HAVE RISK MANAGEMENT
GUIDELINES REQUIRE US TO CLOSE
AND MANAGE THAT RISK WE HAVE
BEEN OUT IN THE MARKET DURING
THIS COLD PERIOD OF TIME BUYING
POWER ON A REGULAR BASIS BUT
MOST OF THE TIME WE ARE A NET
SELLER OF POWER.
AND SO THE TECHNOLOGY WE USE
WITH OUR CUSTOMERS, AMI, AND
THE WAY WE DESIGN RATES TO IN
SENT TIME OF USE, THE TIME OF
USE, ON THE FLIPSIDE THE
TECHNOLOGY WE ARE PUTTING IN
PLACE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE ENERGY AND
BALANCE MARKET.
THAT IS ANOTHER SUBJECT WE WILL
BRING TO YOU SHORTLY.
IT WILL ALLOW US TO REDUCE
OVERTIME REVENUE REQUIREMENTS.
NOW WE HAVE GONE FULL CIRCLE WE
ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
IT IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
EQUATION.
>> WHEN YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE
THE TECHNOLOGY YET, IT'S REALLY
WAITING OR ANTICIPATING THE AMI
FULL IMPLEMENTING?
>> YES.
>> WHEN IS THE ANTICIPATED
COMPLETION OF THE AMI PROJECT
AND HOW SOON WE BE ABLE TO
LEVERAGE THE TECHNOLOGY?
>> WE ARE AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
COMPLETED THE MASS INSTALLATION
OF THE AMI METERS AND WE ARE
MOVING INTO THE INSTALLATION OF
THE THREE-PHASE METERS.
WE ARE ALSO GOING BACK THROUGH,
WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE YOU
DO THE MASS DEPLOYMENT, I
ALWAYS USE THE EXAMPLE OF, I
SHOWED UP AT COUNCILMEMBER
BAGSHAW 'S HOUSE AND SHE HAS
A ROAST IN THE OVEN AND SHE
SAID I CAN'T TAKE A POWER
OUAGE SO WE MOVED ON.
THEN YOU HAVE A PROCESS OF
GOING BACK THROUGH.
SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE
WE NEED TO WORK WITH BECAUSE
THEY MAY CHOOSE TO OPT OUT.
VERY FEW OF OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE
OPTED OUT.
FOR OTHERS IT'S A QUESTION OF
AND ACCESS ISSUE OR WASN'T
CONVENIENT.
YOU'RE DOING THOSE TWO THINGS.
WE ARE BEGINNING THE THREE-
PHASE.
AND WE ARE DOING THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SECOND
PHASE INTEGRATION SOFTWARE.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR ALLOWS
US TO USE THE AMI DATA FOR THE
METERS INSTALLED FOR BILLING
PURPOSES BUT WE NEED AN
ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF SOFTWARE TO
ALLOW US TO DO COMPLEX THINGS.
ONE OF THEM IS THE CUSTOMER
PORTAL PROJECT.
WE CHOSE A CUSTOMER PORTAL
VENDOR IN DECEMBER.
WE ARE JUST ABOUT DONE TO
SHOOTING THE CONTRACT WITH A
VENDOR AND THEN THAT PROCESS
WILL BEGIN.
IT IS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN
CITY LIGHT AND SEATTLE PUBLIC
UTILITIES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PRODUCT
WILL DO IS IT WILL ALLOW
CUSTOMERS TO GO ONLINE AND
CHOOSE.
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE
HISTORICAL DATA AND IT WILL
ALLOW US TO PUT A MULTIPLE RATE
PROGRAM OR MULTIPLE RATE
DESIGNS IN AND THE CUSTOMER CAN
RUN THEIR INFORMATION AND SEE
WHAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING USING
DIFFERENT RATE PLANS.
THAT WAS A CRITICAL PIECE OF
THE PROJECT.
THAT'S A CRITICAL PIECE TO GET
TO WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I CAN LOOK AT WHEN I USE POWER
AND WHAT WOULD MY BILL LOOK
LIKE UNDER A, B, C RATE DESIGN?
>> FOLLOWING UP ON
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA'S
QUESTION, LET'S SAY MY CONDO
HAS BEEN RETROFITTED WITH THE
ADVANCED METERING, WHEN WHAT I
HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION
AND WHEN COULD BEGIN MAKING
THOSE CHOICES?
>> NOT CERTAIN, AGAIN THE PORTAL
, THE BULK OF THE PORTAL
AVAILABILITY SHOULD BE IN I
WOULD SAY BY THE END OF THE
CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT IS THE GOAL.
BUT YOU WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO
RATE DESIGN CHOICES UNTIL WE
DEVELOP THOSE.
I THINK WHAT WE HAVE BEEN
PROPOSING RIGHT NOW IS THAT,
AND I AM JUMPING TO THE END,
BUT THAT'S OKAY, THAT WE WOULD
DO SOME PILOTS WHICH WE WILL
COME BACK AND TALK TO ABOUT,
PROBABLY NOT APRIL 1 AS PART OF
OUR REDESIGN PROJECT WE ARE
WORKING ON OVER THE SUMMER,
THAT WE WOULD DEVELOP SOME
PILOTS WE COULD IMPLEMENT AS
SOON AS THE FIRST OF 2020.
THE FIT WOULD BE 2021.
IS THAT CORRECT CARSTEN?
>> 2021 WOULD BE WHEN WE HAVE
PRICE OPTIONS.
>> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING
AT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO DEFINITELY
COME BACK TO THAT.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE RED FLAG I SEE WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT ONLINE OPTIONS
AND CREATING PLANS THE
CONSUMERS CAN CHOOSE FROM.
I'M GOING TO PUT THIS OUT THERE
AS AN ANALOGY AND ASK THE
REVIEW PANEL TO CONSIDER THIS
AS YOU THINK THROUGH VARIOUS
OPTIONS WHEN YOU COME BACK.
HAVING SAT ON THE HEALTH
INSURANCE EXCHANGE BOARD IS ONE
OF THE MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD,
BEING THE PERSON THERE
PRESENTING CONSUMERS, AND
WORKING FAMILIES, A LOT OF
TIMES PEOPLE SAID, HEALTHCARE
IS MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE
PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE
CHOICES.
YOU CAN GO TO THIS PORTAL, YOU
CAN CHOOSE YOUR PLAN THAT MEETS
YOUR NEEDS.
FOR A LOT OF WORKING FAMILIES
IT'S VERY CONFUSING.
WHEN I HEAR, THERE ARE VARIOUS
OPTIONS, YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH
YOU PAY UNDER THESE DESIGNS,
YOU CAN MAKE CHOICES ABOUT
WHETHER YOU CAN USE ENERGY OR
NOT, JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW
THAT PLAYED OUT IN THE
HEALTHCARE WORLD WHEN WE HAD
THE EXCHANGE PORTAL AND
EVERYONE THOUGHT YOU COULD JUST
GO ONLINE AND PICK THE PLAN
THAT MET YOUR NEEDS, IT WAS
VERY CONFUSING.
I DON'T THINK A LOT OF
CONSUMERS, ESPECIALLY MODERATE
AND LOW INCOME CONSUMERS HAVE
THE TIME AND CAPACITY TO
COMPARE PLANS WITHOUT A VERY
COMPLEX ONLINE CALCULATOR TO
HELP THEM, WITHOUT AN
INDIVIDUAL TO HELP THEM.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TELLING
FOLKS, THEY REALLY NEED SOMEONE
TO HELP THEM WALK THEM THROUGH
THE OPTIONS.
I PUT THAT OUT THERE IS A RED
FLAG.
IS A HERE YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND
MAKE THESE DECISIONS BASED ON
THE RATES THE POP UP.
IT DID NOT LOOK LIKE THAT IN
THE REAL WORLD.
I DON'T PRESUME THAT IS WHAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT THAT
IS HOW I HEARD IT AND THAT WAS
MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE ONLINE
EXCHANGE.
DEPOT AND AT MAKING DECISIONS
BASICALLY BASED ON THE BOTTOM
LINE WITHOUT KNOWING THE
CONSEQUENCES.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL PENALTIES
IF YOU USE IT AT THIS TIME OR
THAT TIME?
IT'S DIFFERENT PLANS, I
UNDERSTAND HEALTH INSURANCE IS
DIFFERENT THAN THE RATE PLANS
BUT FROM THE CONSUMERS
EXPERIENCE I ASK YOU TO THINK
ABOUT THAT.
>> I THINK THAT IS AN EXCELLENT
POINT.
ONE THING IS THE ONLINE PORTAL
DOES PROVIDE AN ONLINE TECH
LEADER.
THAT IS ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES.
IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR
ACTUAL USAGE IN THE PAST WHICH
IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IN THE
EXCHANGE WORKING HARD TO IN
MANY CASES MOVE FOLKS WHO HAD
NOT BEEN INSURED BEFORE.
IN THIS CASE THERE WOULD BE
HISTORICAL DATA THAT SHOWS HOW
OUR PRODUCT HAS BEEN USED IN
THE PAST.
BUT ULTIMATELY YOU ARE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE OTHER THING IS IS THAT --
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD
CONVERSATIONS WITH NANCY AND
OTHERS ABOUT THIS -- EVEN THE
MOST AGGRESSIVE UTILITIES ARE
OFFERING OPT OUT PLANS.
THERE IS ALWAYS THE OPTION OF
HAVING THE VANILLA PRICING
MODEL WE HAVE TODAY.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING
THAT AWAY FROM CUSTOMERS.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GIVING
ADDITIONAL CHOICES.
AND CUSTOMERS -- AND THERE WILL
CERTAINLY BE RESOURCES AVAILABLE
FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK
THROUGH WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE.
BUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPT OUT AND
STAY WHERE THEY ARE.
>> THANK YOU.
I LOOK AT PAGE 6, PATRICK, SO I
SAW THE EIGHT LARGE MUNICIPAL
POLITIES, THE FOUR AND THE
THREE AND THE THINGS YOU LOOK
THAT FOR SPECIFIC RATE DESIGN
CONCEPTS.
THANK YOU.
I SHOULD'VE LOOKED AT THAT, I
APOLOGIZE.
I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION
YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN CONSUMERS
HAVE CHOICES, LET'S TAKE
SOMEONE LIKE ME AND WHEN WE GET
THE AMI COMPLETELY ONLINE, WE
ARE NOT COMPLETELY ONLINE YET,
DOES THAT MEAN FOR PEOPLE
WATCHING AND FOLLOWING UP ON
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA, DOES
THIS MEAN SOMEONE LIKE ME
COULD LOOK AT MY BILL, LET'S SAY
TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE ARE ALL
ONLINE AND I ONLY WANT TO USE
THIS MONEY KILOWATTS IN MY HOME,
FOR THE EFFICIENCY AND
ENVIRONMENT AND TO REDUCE MY
CARBON FOOTPRINT, WOULD THERE
BE A WAY FOR SEATTLE CITY LIGHT
TO GIVE ME A WARNING WHEN I
HAVE REACHED WHAT I DEEM A
PARTICULAR THRESHOLD I DON'T
WANT TO GO OVER. I HAVE TO SAY
RIGHT NOW WITH CITY LIGHT, I'M
GOING TO BRAG ABOUT MYSELF, YOU
GET THAT THING IN THE MAIL THAT
TELLS YOU WHERE YOUR RATE IS,
GUESS WHO'S IN THE TOP 10?
FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
MY KIDS SAY THEY COME TO THE
HOUSE WITH A MINER'S LAMP.
I DON'T KEEP ANYTHING ON AND I
AND PLUG STUFF.
I'M NUMBER NINE.
I DON'T KNOW NUMBER 10 IS BEEN
GOING TO FIND THEM.
OR NUMBER EIGHT.
MY POINT IS, WILL THERE COME A
TIME WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY DO
THAT?
>> I DON'T WANT TO OVERPROMISE
AND UNDER DELIVER BUT I CAN
TELL YOU THE PORTAL HAS AN APT,
THERE ARE APPS THAT WILL WORK
WITH IT.
DEPENDING ON THE RATE CHOICES
WE PROVIDE, YES.
THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.
THERE IS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
THAT IS PART OF WHERE I GET
INTO MEANS AND ENDS.
THE MEANS ARE EVOLVING.
THE PORTAL WILL EVOLVE WITH THE
SPECIFIC RATE STRATEGIES.
BUT IT DOES HAVE AN APP.
THIS AGAIN, THIS SPEAKS TO YOU,
THIS PROBABLY SPEAKS TO WHAT
COUNCILMEMBER BAGSHAW WAS
ASKING, I HAVE AN APP, I CAN
LOOK AT THIS AND I CAN SEE WHAT
MY CONSUMPTION LOOKS LIKE . IT
WILL BE FAIRLY REAL-TIME.
>> CUSTOMERS WILL HAVE -- ONCE
THIS PROCESS IS COMPLETE, WE
WILL HAVE 15 MINUTE DATA FOR
RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND FIVE-
MINUTE DATA FOR COMMERCIAL AND
INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS.
IT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO TAKE THE TIME.
IT ALSO WON'T BE HARD TO LOOK
AT.
IT WILL BE PRETTY EASY.
IT IS DESIGNED TO SEND SIGNALS
TO CUSTOMERS.
>> I HAVE UNPLUG EVERYTHING BUT
THE FISH TANK.
JUST SO YOU KNOW.
AND MY CABLE.
>> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
LANGUAGE ISSUES?
>> IT WILL DEAL WITH LANGUAGE
ISSUES.
>> I AM EXCITING YOU'RE
COVERING THESE OPTIONS.
>> CAN I COVER ENDS AND MEANS?
>> YES, I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ANALOGOUS
TO WHAT WE HEAR IN THE HEALTH
INSURANCE WORLD WHICH IS
CUSTOMERS HAVE TO HAVE SKIN IN
THE GAME, YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW
MUCH THINGS ARE WHEN THEY GO TO
THE EMERGENCY ROOM FOR
UNNECESSARY TREATMENT OR IF
THEY'RE GOING TO THE DOCTOR TO
FREQUENTLY.
THIS IS THE ANALOGY I HEAR ALL
THE TIME.
HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.
IN A WAY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE
IT MORE TRANSPARENT TO PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND ENERGY COSTS THEY
ARE SPENDING, HOW MUCH THAT
COULD IMPACT THEIR POCKETBOOK.
BUT ALSO HOW WELL OR NOT WELL
THEY ARE DOING WITH GETTING TO
ENERGY EFFICIENCY GOALS.
I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT SOME OPTIONS AND MODELS
FOR LOW INCOME CONSUMERS, I
THINK AN IMPORTANT REMINDER IS,
52% OF SEATTLE RESIDENTS ARE
RENTERS.
AS A RENTER MYSELF I AM LUCKY,
HAVE A GREAT APARTMENT BUILT IN
1902 WITH SINGLE PANE WINDOWS.
THE FIRST FREEZE THAT CAME
ALONG WITH THE WIND, I HAD ICE
ON THE INSIDE OF OUR WINDOWS.
IT WAS TWO INCHES TALL AND
ABOUT ONE QUARTER INCH THICK.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE, IN ORDER TO
KEEP OUR LITTLE APARTMENT WARM
WE HAD TO HAVE THE HEAT ON
ROUND-THE-CLOCK.
IF WE WERE TO HAVE TURNED IT
OFF AND COME HOME AND TURNED IT
BACK ON IT WOULD'VE TAKEN HOURS
TO WARM UP.
I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE
APPLY THIS CONCEPT OF SKIN IN
THE GAME AND INCENTIVES AND
TRANSPARENCY WITH THE DATA,
ESPECIALLY FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T
HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO BETTER
WEATHERIZATION FOR THEIR HOMES
AND WHO DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY
TO TURN THE HEAT OFF WHEN THEY
ARE NOT THERE AND THEN TURN IT
BACK ON AND HAVE AN ENERGY
EFFICIENT HOME THAT WILL WARM
UP QUICKLY.
I AM LUCKY.
I'M LUCKY TO HAVE A GOOD LIVING
WAGE JOB AND MY HUSBAND AS WELL.
BUT I THINK OUR APARTMENT IS AN
EXAMPLE OF IF PEOPLE WERE
TRYING TO SAVE MONEY, THEY
WOULD BE LIVING WITH ICE ON THE
INSIDE OF THEIR WINDOW DURING
THAT STORM PERIOD.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS.
WHAT I CAN SAY AGAIN, AND THEN
JOHNNY WILL PROBABLY BE
CLEARING AT THE BACK OF MY
HEAD, I THINK SOME OF THE
THINGS YOU ARE RAISING ARE
ACTUALLY REASONS WHY -- IT'S
JUST GOING TO CHANGE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT, FOR
SOME OF THE RATIONS YOU
MENTIONED, SUBSCRIPTION-BASED
SERVICES.
FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF CUSTOMERS
WHERE, IT TRULY IS A FIXED
PERCENTAGE OF INCOME THAT IS
BEING PRAYED -- PAID FOR
LECTURE CITY AND I DON'T HAVE
TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT
AND I GET A SIGNAL ON MY APP
WHICH GOES TO MY WATCH TELLING
ME I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF
DATA.
PER SE.
THERE ARE THE ISSUES THAT YOU
ARE RAISING ARE THE ISSUES
BEING TALKED ABOUT.
THEY ARE THE RIGHT ISSUES.
AND I WILL SAY THAT I THINK I
READ A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT THIS,
BUT HONESTLY THE HEALTHCARE
MARKETPLACE, THOSE ARE REAL
EXPERIENCES THAT COLOR THE WORK
FOLKS ARE DOING LOOKING AT RATE
DESIGN.
IT IS A CHALLENGING AREA THAT
IS RAPIDLY CHANGING.
>> THANK YOU FOR VALIDATING MY
HEALTHCARE ANALOGY.
I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT NOW.
BUT SIMILAR TO HEALTHCARE, WE
NEED HEAT IN ORDER TO LIVE.
THIS IS NOT EXACTLY AN EASY
PROCESS TO TALK ABOUT, FIXING A
DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THIS COMMODITY.
THAT IS QUITE ESSENTIAL FOR
LIVING.
THERE IS ANOTHER COMPARISON.
I WANT TO REMIND US THOUGH THAT
IN THE RESOLUTION WE DID SIGNAL
THAT THE REVIEW PANEL SHOULD
RECOGNIZE THAT SIGNIFICANT
INCREASES IN FIXED OR FLAT
CHARGES THE REDUCE COMMODITY
PRICE SIGNAL OR COUNTER TO THE
CITIES GOALS IN INCREASING
ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND HAVE
DISPARATE IMPACT ON LOW AND
MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
I NOTICED PART OF THE PLETHORA
OF ITEMS YOU'RE CONSIDERING, IT
IS CONCERNING FOR ME THOUGH
JUST HAVING HEARD ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED IN OTHER
MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE USED A
FIXED RATE WHERE YOU PAY A
SUBSCRIPTION EVERY MONTH.
>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, AGAIN,
THIS IS WHAT I'M SEEING IN
TERMS OF CHANGE.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE COMING
FORWARD TO YOU AND PROPOSING
THAT WE DO A FIXED PRICE
SUBSCRIPTION.
AND RATE STABILIZATION, IT'S
POSSIBLE WE WILL BE LOOKING AT
A SMALL INCREASE IN THE FIXED
CHARGE BECAUSE AGAIN, ONE OF
THE THINGS WE WORRY ABOUT ALL
THE TIME, AND THIS IS HARD,
THIS IS REALLY HARD STUFF.
BECAUSE -- AND REMEMBER I
SHOULD POINT OUT THAT LOOKING
AT THE UTILITY DISCOUNT PROGRAM
WHICH IS OUT OF THE SCOPE OF
THIS PROJECT, THERE IS A
SEPARATE PROCESS IN PLAY
LOOKING AT IT, WE HAVE WORKED
HARD TO STAY CLEAR OF THAT,
EVEN WHILE WE THINK ALL THE
TIME, IN EVERY DISCUSSION,
ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE
DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS WE MIGHT MAKE
ON LIMITED INCOME CUSTOMERS.
THERE ARE LOTS OF GREAT THINGS
ABOUT UNIT PRICING OR ABOUT
CONSUMPTION-BASED PRICING.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS OF COURSE IS
AS CONSUMPTION GOES DOWN AND
YOU HAVE CUSTOMERS RECEIVING A
PERCENTAGE DISCOUNT, IN FACT IT
DOES RAISE THE AMOUNT THAT THE
UDP CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING
BECAUSE YOU'RE COLLECTING LESS,
SELLING FILLER FEWER UNITS, IF
YOU'RE COLLECTING REVENUE FROM
UNITS THE UNIT PRICES GOING UP
AND THE CUSTOMERS YOU ARE
TRYING TO HELP ARE SEEING THEIR
PRICES GO UP AS WELL.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS NOT --
THAT WE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT,
I'M SAYING WE ARE VERY AWARE OF
THE CHALLENGE OF THE EQUATION.
QUICKLY, ON ENDS.
AND THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE,
THE OTHER FINGER RESOLUTION
TALKED A LOT ABOUT SPECIFICALLY
CALLS OUT THE CONSERVATION EPIC
WHICH IS STRONGL EMBEDDED IN
THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IT
INTERESTINGLY DOESN'T TALK ABOUT
ELECTRIFICATION OR DEEP
DECARBONIZATION.
AND THAT IS ALSO A HIGH
PRIORITY FOR THE CITY OF
SEATTLE.
IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TALKED
ABOUT QUITE A BIT IS A GROUP.
THE ENDS ARE THESE THINGS THAT
WE THINK RATE DESIGN SHOULD
PROMOTE.
THEY ARE MORE POLICY STATEMENTS.
THEY ARE KIND OF FOUNDATIONAL
CONCEPTS, MANY HAVE BEEN A PART
OF CITY LIGHTS REDESIGN FOR
MANY YEARS.
LIKE RATES EFFICIENCY.
REVENUE SUFFICIENCY.
CERTAINLY ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
AND STABILITY, PREDICTABILITY
AND EVEN TRANSPARENCY, THE WAY
WE PASS ON POWER COSTS IS A
MEASURE OF TRANSPARENCY.
WE WANT CUSTOMERS TO UNDERSTAND
HOW THOSE COSTS AFFECT THEM.
SOME OF THESE GOALS HAVE BEEN
REVISED OR ADDED TO
INTENTIONALLY ALIGN THE CITY'S
PRIORITIES.
THEY REFLECT THE CHANGING WORLD
WE LIVE IN.
WITH RESPECT TO ENERGY
EFFICIENCY, OUR VIEWS ON CARBON,
AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM CUSTOMERS.
COST-BASED IS ONE THAT BECAUSE
OF DECLINING REVENUES, COST
CHALLENGES AND CUSTOMERS
CHANGING HOW THEY USE OR
GENERATE DISTRIBUTE IT ENERGY
RESOURCES, ROOFTOP, SOLAR,
ETC., WHICH IS CRITICAL, COST-
BASED IS CRITICAL FOR THE COST
OF PROVIDING SERVICE.
AS WE ARE WORKING ON THIS
REVENUE REQUIREMENT ON THE ONE
HAND, YOU HAVE TO HAVE RATES
THAT ALIGN WITH THAT ON THE
OTHER.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN
ULTIMATELY KEEP OUR UTILITY
RATES STABLE AND HELP CUSTOMERS
MAKE GOOD ENERGY CHOICES.
DECARBONIZATION, THAT ALIGNS
WITH SEATTLE'S CLIMATE ACTION
PLAN.
ELECTRIC RATES ENCOURAGE
CONSERVING ELECTRICITY,
INVESTMENT INEFFICIENT
TECHNOLOGY LIKE HE PUMPS AND
LEDS REDUCE FOSSIL FUEL USE BY
CHOOSING ELECTRICITY TO POWER
CARS, HEATERS, -- THOSE ALL
CONTRIBUTE.
SOMETIMES WHAT WE THINK ABOUT
IS OUR RATE STRUCTURE AS WE
INCENTIVIZE LESS USE FROM
EXISTING RESOURCES WE THINK WE
WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE,
BECAUSE WE HAVE A CARBON FREE
RESOURCE.
WE HAVE ABUNDANT CARBON FREE
RESOURCE, WE ARE SO FORTUNATE
TO HAVE THAT.
ON THE OTHER HAND WE WANT TO
INCENTIVIZE -- I DON'T THINK
JOHNNY OR NANCY WOULD DISAGREE,
WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE CUSTOMERS
TO ELECTRIFY BECAUSE IT IS AN
ABUNDANT THE FORCE AND QUITE
FRANKLY BECAUSE ELECTRIFICATION
WILL HELP STABILIZE REVENUE
STREAM EVEN WHILE WE CONTINUE
SMART USE OF THAT RESOURCE.
IT'S A CHALLENGE.
SOMETIMES OVERTLY THOSE TWO TO
EACH OTHER.
AS A COMMUNITY WE HAVE TO
CONTINUE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT
IT A LOT.
GOING BACK TO MY ANALOGY, THERE
IS NO SILVER BULLET.
IT'S A LOT OF BUCKET SHOTS.
HOW WE DO BOTH?
AFFORDABILITY, ELECTRICITY AS
YOU ELOQUENTLY POINTED OUT IS A
PUBLIC SERVICE.
IT'S AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE.
WE NEED RATES THAT MAKE SERVICE
ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE AND I
TALKED ABOUT CUSTOMER CHOICE.
YOU WANT TO MEET CUSTOMER
OWNERS NEEDS.
THAT IS RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS
WHICH IS THE FOCUS IT'S ALSO
PEOPLE, PATRICK AND I HAVE HAD
GREAT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
EVERYTHING FROM INTERRUPTIBLE
RATES TO DISTRIBUTED ENERGY
RATES.
WE DON'T WANT TO THIS AND SENT
PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO INVEST IN
ROOFTOP SOLAR.
WE THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
PART OF OUR FUTURE AS A
COMMUNITY.
NEED RATES THAT ALLOW FOR CHOICE
AND LET PEOPLE FIGURE OUT THEIR
OWN WAYS.
ONE OF THE THINGS, I DON'T
THINK IT MADE IT INTO THE MEMO
úBUT MY UNOFFICIAL VISION IS OU
GOAL IS TO HELP OUR CUSTOMERS
AND MAKE ENERGY CHOICES IN
WHATEVER WAY THEY CHOOSE.
BECAUSE THAT IS THE FUTURE.
IF WE ARE DOING THAT, SOMEONE
ELSE WILL.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
TOUCHING BRIEFLY ON THE MEANS,
THIS IS THE AREA WHERE I THINK
THINGS ARE EVOLVING. I THINK
THERE'S A FAIR CONSENSUS TIME
USED RATES WILL MAKE A LOT OF
SENSE. I THINK THAT'S TRUE IN
THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE HAD
WITH CUSTOMERS WE HAVE HEARD
FROM.
AND EVEN BACK.
TIME OF USE RATES ARE A TOOL
THAT ALLOW US TO HELP OUR
CUSTOMERS, IT PUTS A LOT OF
CONTROLLING CUSTOMERS HANDS.
AND USUALLY TIME OF USE RATES
ARE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF --
LIKE IF WE WERE LIVING IN
CALIFORNIA OR NEVADA, IT IS
ABOUT TIME AND LOCATION.
FOR US IT IS LESS ABOUT
LOCATION, BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS
THAT AGAIN, OUR ABUNDANT CARBON
FREE RESOURCE HAS A VALUE IN
THE NORTHWEST AND BEYOND AS
STATES AND CITIES GRAPPLE WITH
HOW TO REDUCE THEIR CARBON
úFOOTPRINT.
THAT RESOURCE HAS MORE OR LESS
VALUE AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE
DAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS
PARTICIPATING IN THE ENERGY
BALANCED MARKET WILL DO IS IT
ALLOWS US TO MAKE BETTER USE OF
THAT ABUNDANT LONG POSITION IN
OUR RESOURCE.
USING OUR RATE STRUCTURE WITH
CUSTOMERS TO HELP MOVE
CONSUMPTION SO THAT WE CAN BE
SELLING MORE POWER AT THE TIMES
OF DAY WHEN MARKET VALUE IS
HIGHER WILL BE OF DIRECT
BENEFIT TO CUSTOMERS.
THAT IS THE WAY WE THINK OF IT.
THAT IS WHY WE THINK TIME OF
USE RATES WILL BE REALLY
VALUABLE.
GOING BACK TO THE SAME ARTICLE
I READ THIS MORNING AS WE OPEN,
THIS SUPPORTS WHAT YOU WERE
SAYING.
2017 THERE WERE 84 PENDING OR
DECIDED UTILITY PROPOSALS FOR
HIGHER CUSTOMER CHARGES THOUGH
ONLY SIX WERE FULLY APPROVED.
THIS WAS LARGELY WITH STATE
REGULATORS.
THEY SAID, REGULATORS -- THERE
WERE 51 UTILITY PROPOSALS ONLY
TWO GOT THE FULL INCREASE THEY
ASKED FOR.
THOSE REJECTED UTILITY
PROPOSALS FOR CUSTOMER CHARGES
SUGGEST REGULATORS EXPECT TO
SOMETHING BETTER.
RATES BASED ON TIME AND
LOCATION ATTRIBUTES COULD BE
SOMETHING BETTER.
THAT IS KIND OF THE IDEA.
I LOST IT THAT THERE IS A HUGE
PERCENTAGE OF CUSTOMERS, I
THINK IT WAS 50% OF INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES ARE OFFERING
SOME TIME AND USE PRICING.
OVERALL IT'S RUNNING 50%-17%.
IT'S THE WAY THINGS ARE MOVING
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE
IT'S A GOOD BALANCE.
WE WANT RATES THAT SUPPORT
ELECTRIFICATION.
THAT IS A MEANS WE KNOW.
AND THAT IS AROUND PERSONAL USE
OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES BUT IN
THIS COMMUNITY IT'S REALLY
AROUND TRANSIT.
AROUND ELECTRIFICATION.
IT ALIGNS WELL WITH THE MAYORS
PRIORITY ON ELECTRIFICATION.
I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH
THE IMPRESSION WE DON'T HAVE AN
IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS TODAY, WE
JUST KNOW IF WE ARE THINKING
ABOUT MEANS THAT IS A PRIMARY
AREA TO THINK ABOUT.
PILOT PROGRAMS, WE ARE WORKING
ON WHAT WE COULD DO WITH
INTERRUPTIBLE RATE, POTENTIALLY
WITH HELP, YOU'RE HAVING SOME
PLENARY CONVERSATIONS, WHETHER
THERE IS A WAY WE CAN PARTNER
WITH METRO AS THEY ARE PILOTING
ELECTRIC BUSES, IS THERE A WAY
WE COULD PILOT OR LEARN ABOUT
OUR OWN RATE STRUCTURE.
GENERALLY WHEN I TALK ABOUT
PILOTS, JUST SO I DON'T LEAVE
YOU WITH THE WRONG IMPRESSION,
I THINK ABOUT REVENUE NEUTRAL
PILOTS.
AT THIS POINT YOU LOOK AT A
SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE, YOU RUN
PEOPLE THROUGH SOME ALTERNATIVE
STRUCTURE AND THERE IS AN
AGREEMENT AT THE END DO YOU ARE
ABLE TO NEUTRALIZE THE REVENUE
IMPACT.
IT'S MORE AROUND LEARNING.
>> A QUICK QUESTION.
THIS IS TOTALLY DOWN THE ROAD,
YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS
TODAY, LET'S TAKE METRO'S BUSES.
IF THEY COULD DO NIGHTTIME
CHARGING.
ARE THE BATTERIES SUFFICIENT?
THEY COULD CHARGE THEM AT 1 AM
AND HAVE THEM AVAILABLE FOR THE
NEXT 24 HOURS?
HOW DO WE DO THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE DEMAND
ISSUES.
THERE IS AN INCENTIVE ON THEIR
PART TO MINIMIZE THAT.
MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO DO TIME
OF USE INSTEAD OF DEMAND THAT
PREVENTS US FROM EXPERIENCING
PEAKS AT WRONG TIMES OF DAY AND
ALLOWS THEM TO GET THEIR NEEDS
MET.
THAT IS THE KIND OF THING WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
>> CHARGING STATIONS AT
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
>> THE INTERMEDIATE FAST
CHARGE.
>> A QUESTION ON THE BACK OF
THE ENVELOPE ESTIMATE, WHEN WE
WERE LISTENING TO THE STATE OF
THE CITY AND I HEARD EVERY NEW
BUILDING WILL HAVE -- I THOUGHT
WE WERE GOING TO SAY CHILDCARE
-- [LAUGHTER]
WHEN WE HEARD ELECTRICAL VEHICLE
CHARGING I THOUGHT IS THERE A
BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ESTIMATE
ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT WILL IMPACT
USAGE AT SEATTLE CITY LIGHT?
I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH
THOSE CHARGING PORTALS USE IN
TERMS OF CARS.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO REDUCE
CARBON EMISSIONS -- CARBON
EMISSIONS IN THE AIR AND THAT
HELPS BUT WE HAVE AN IDEA OF
HOW MUCH ENERGY THAT USES?
>> WE DON'T YET.
WE ARE STARTING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK WE WILL BE WORKING WITH
THE MAYORS OFFICE TO UNDERSTAND
FULLY THE GOALS AND TIMING.
I BELIEVE JESSICA IS LEAD ON
THAT SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH
HER.
>> WONDERFUL.
THE LAST ONE ON THERE, AGAIN WE
WILL COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU
IN DETAIL ABOUT ANY PILOT
PROGRAMS WE SEEK TO OFFER, BUT
WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN
POTENTIALLY LEARN ABOUT HOW WE
BUNDLE RATES WITH ENERGY
EFFICIENCY FOR QUALIFIED
CUSTOMERS. THIS GETS AT THE
THING AROUND LOCATION.
WE KNOW, I THINK I HAVE
MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, WE KNOW
THERE ARE PLACES WHERE, TO YOUR
PINT, WAREHOUSING STOCK IS NOT
AS EFFICIENT. BECAUSE
CONSUMPTION IS HIGHER THAN A
TYPICAL CUSTOMER USES.
WE KNOW THERE ARE PLACES THAT
ABSOLUTELY ALIGN WITH HOUSEHOLD
INCOME.
THE NOTION IS, COULD WE DO A
PILOT WHERE WE GO IN AND WE
EXPLORE, COULD WE COME IN AHEAD
OF TIME AND DO ALL THE ENERGY
EFFICIENCY WE CAN, MAKE THE HOME
AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE AND
THEN ON A ZERO-SUM GAME EXPLORE
WHAT A FIXED-PRICE CONTRACT
WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THAT
CUSTOMER GROUP.
THAT IS THE KIND OF THING WE
WILL BE LOOKING AT.
THE LAST THING IS, WE DO SEE A
HUGE, AS WE ARE DOING THESE
OTHER THINGS, AS WE ARE
EXPLORING PILOTS AND GETTING OUR
AMI SYSTEM LAMENTED AN
INTEGRATED SO WE CAN DO COOL
STUFF IN THE FUTURE, YOU MADE A
GREAT POINT COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA, THERE IS A LOT OF
EDUCATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE REVIEW PANEL HAS TALKED
ABOUT THAT A LOT.
IT'S A HEADY TOPIC.
BILL REDESIGN IS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO RE-EDUCATE
CUSTOMERS AROUND THEIR
CONSUMPTION, RATE DESIGN,
CONTROL, THAT IS A PIECE WE ARE
GOING TO BE TAKING ON.
PATRICK TALKED ABOUT THE REVIEW
WORK WE DID LOOKING AT OTHER
CUSTOMERS AND THAT WAS ONE OF
THE MOST INTERESTING PARTS,
AGAIN, NO SILVER BULLET, BUT
LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT WAYS
CUSTOMERS WERE EDUCATING OR NOT
, THEIR CUSTOMERS.
SOME HAVE COMPLEX RATE DESIGN
AND REALLY COMPLEX ILLS AND
OTHERS ARE DOING A REALLY GOOD
JOB OF USING THE RATE STRUCTURES
AND BILLING TO EDUCATE AND
BRING CUSTOMERS ALONG.
I READY MENTIONED UDP.
ONE LAST THING I WANT TO
MENTION BEFORE I MOVE ON,
AROUND DECOUPLING.
WE HAVE THE RATE STABILIZATION
ACCOUNT AND DECOUPLING IS
ANOTHER.
WE SET IT ASIDE HERE BECAUSE WE
SAID, IT'S NOT A RATE DESIGN,
IT'S NOT A RATE PROGRAM PER
SAY, BUT DECOUPLING IS A WAY WE
COULD LOOK AT EXPANDING THE
RATE STABILIZATION ACCOUNT AND
BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT
HOLDS -- IT IS A TOOL THAT HAS
BEEN USED BY INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES FOR A LONG TIME WITH
STATE REGULATORS WHERE THE COST
AND EFFORT OF DOING A RATE CASE
IS HUGE.
AND SO JUST LIKE OUR --
CURRENTLY WE PASSED VIABLE RATE
INCREASES, A DECOUPLING WHAT IT
DOES IS DECOUPLE REVENUES FROM
THE CONSERVATION ETHICS.
IT WOULD MAKE UTILITY WHOLE IF
CUSTOMERS CONTINUE TO USE LESS
DUE TO EFFECTIVE USE OF
CONSERVATION. IT PROVIDES AN
AUTOMATIC PASS SO THE REVENUE
IS HELD WHOLE.
WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF
CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
WE KIND OF PUT THAT ASIDE FOR
THE PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION
BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S NOT A RATE
THE CUSTOMER SEES.
IT IS AROUND HOW YOU IS THE
REGULATOR MIGHT WORK WITH US.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING?
IS THAT A FAIR WAY OF PUTTING
IT?
>> I THINK THAT IS A FAIR WAY.
A TRADE-OFF ABOUT HAVING
CUSTOMERS HAVE STABLE BILLS IN
THE UTILITY HAVING STABLE
REVENUES.
YOU CAN'T ALWAYS HAVE THE SAME.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE
EXPLORING.
>> DIVING INTO NEXT STEPS, I
HAVE ONE CATEGORY I WOULD LIKE
TO BRING UP.
>> I FEEL LIKE I'VE GONE TO
ONE.
I'M GOING TO BE QUICK ON NEXT
STEPS.
I THINK WE ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT
THIS.
WE FINISHED THE FOCUS GROUPS
AND WE SHARED THAT.
WE WILL HAVE AN INITIAL REPORT
AND INFORMATION BACK TO YOU ON
THAT.
OUR FINAL REPORT TO YOU IS DUE
APRIL 1. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT
WILL BE COMING BACK IN APRIL TO
TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT AND
GIVE A FINAL WRAP UP HERE.
AND THEN THE RATE DESIGN,
STRATEGIC INITIATIVE WHICH IS
PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WILL
PICK UP FROM THERE.
THERE IS A TREMENDOUS OVERLAP
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK
WITH REVIEW PANEL ON THAT AS WE
PICK UP THAT WORK AND MOVE
FORWARD INTO MORE OF A
TECHNICAL PIECE.
THAT WILL BE HAPPENING AT THE
SAME TIME WE ARE STARTING TO
LOOK AT BUDGET AND THE
STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE.
AND ULTIMATELY LOOKING AT THE
REVENUE REQUIREMENT AS PART OF
THE BUDGET PROCESS.
PATRICK JUST ROLLED HIS EYES,
OH NO, REALLY, IT'S TIME AGAIN?
YES IT IS.
[LAUGHTER]
THAT IS REALLY, THAT IS WHERE
WE ARE AT.
QUESTIONS?
>> I'VE GOT ONE.
SO YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT UDP,
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW THAT'S A BIG ISSUE
POLICY WISE HERE AND AS WELL
WITH YOURSELF.
ONE PHRASE I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU
USE IS H FRIENDLY -- AGE
FRIENDLY ACTION PLAN THAT WAS
COMPLETED LAST YEAR.
THE GOAL OF THAT IS NOT JUST
LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO ARE
OLDER, BUT MAKING THIS,
WHATEVER WE DO FOR OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE TO
EVERYONE.
IT'S EASIEST IF YOU THINK ABOUT
SIDEWALKS.
YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEONE WHO IS
TRYING TO MOVE AROUND OUR CITY
BEING ABLE TO GET OFF THE
SIDEWALK WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE
IN A WALKER OR WHEELCHAIR.
ORNATE-YEAR-OLD RIDING HER BIKE.
WHATEVER.
THE IDEA OF AGE FRIENDLY FOR
YOUR UTILITY STRIKES ME AS
GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR
OUTREACH IN THIS COMMUNITY
TRIED TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR
HOMES.
WE NOTE SENIORS WANT TO STAY IN
THEIR HOMES AS LONG AS
POSSIBLE.
PART OF IT IS A RATE FOR THE
COST OF SIMPLE ELECTRICITY AND
WATER BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING
HOW THEY CAN USE THE
TECHNOLOGY.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THEY ARE NOT
CAPABLE BUT IT MAY BE NEW TO
THEM.
I HOPE THAT AS YOU ARE DOING
OUTREACH YOU WILL BE VERY
INTENTIONAL ABOUT REACHING OUT
TO GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS
INSIDE THE CITY OF SEATTLE,
IRENE STEWART, KATHY NATE ARE
HEADING AGE FRIENDLY FOR OUR
CITY.
WE DEFINED 2016 AS AN AGE
FRIENDLY CITY, GIVEN BY THE
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION AND
AARP.
I CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THIS IF
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE KEEP
BRINGING IT UP.
WE TALK OFTEN TIMES IN THIS
WORK ABOUT RESIDENCE AND
BUSINESSES BUT IF WE CAN JUST
TAKE THAT NEXT STEP, THERE ARE
PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO COULD
REALLY USE THE EXTRA BOOST OF
UNDERSTANDING.
>> MY MOM IS 83 AND SHE LIVES
IN EUGENE AND WE JUST HAD A
CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT THIS
WEEKEND.
SHE WAS IN THE WORKFORCE.
SHE LEARNED TO USE TECHNOLOGY
BUT SHE LIVES IN A FULLY
INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING
CENTER BUT MOST OF HER FRIENDS
DO NOT.
THEY JUST DON'T.
THE BEST THEY DO IS MANAGE TO
LOOK THINGS UP ON THE INTERNET.
THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE
TO ADD?
IS AT THE END OF YOUR
PRESENTATION?
>> THAT IS THE END OF OUR
PRESENTATION.
>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ DO YOU
HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE I JUMP IN?
AS YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE
PROPOSED ON THE BOTTOM OF SLIDE
NUMBER NINE, REFINE AND LAMENT
POLICY RECOGNITIONS, NO CHANGES
ANTICIPATED FOR 2020 ASIDE FROM
PILOT PROGRAM.
THAT IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT I HAD
ENVISIONED WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT
THIS.
I THINK THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS
THAT HE WOULD HAVE A REPORT BACK
IN A CRUNCH TIMELINE.
BECAUSE WE HAD HOPED TO TRAIN
IMPLEMENT STRATEGIES AT THE END
OF 2019 TO AFFECT RATES IN
2020.
COULD YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT
WHAT WOULD BE TO HAPPEN IN
ORDER TO MAKE A 2020 RATE
CHANGE POSSIBLE VERSUS 2021?
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE
TECHNOLOGY.
HONESTLY IF WE LOOKED AT CHANGES
, THESE ARE THINGS WE'RE
LOOKING AT, ARE THE TIERED
RATES APPROPRIATE, IS THE FIXED
CHARGE APPROPRIATE, THOSE ARE
THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT
CONVERSATIONS WE ARE HAVING,
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLGY
TO MAKE ANY DESIGN CHANGES, WE
CAN'T GO TO TIME OF USE RATES
WITH THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY
PLATFORM.
TAT IS REALLY THE GIST OF IT.
SINCE WE KNOW CUSTOMERS VALUE
PREDICTABILITY AND WE KNOW
THERE IS A HUGE EDUCATIONAL
COMPONENT TO PREPARE CUSTOMERS
FOR MORE SOPHISTICATED RATE
DESIGN, RATHER THAN DOING
SOMETHING THAT IS TINY BITES
AROUND THE EDGES AND THEN
SOMETHING AGAIN ONE YEAR LATER,
IT FEELS LIKE DOING THE RATE
REDESIGN OR EXCUSE ME, THE BILL
REDESIGN AND BEGINNING THE
EDUCATION PROCESS AND BEING
THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW WE CHANGE
THIS OUT, IT WILL BE BETTER FOR
CUSTOMERS QUITE HONESTLY.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT.
AGAIN, HOPEFULLY PUSHING HARD
TO DO A COUPLE OF ROBUST PILOTS
SO WHEN WE MOVE THINGS OUT, WE
UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR CUSTOMERS
NEED EVEN MORE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO
SAY IS HOW CAN WE GET TO YES?
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE
TECHNOLOGY NOW BUT YOU HAVE AMI
IN HAND AND YOU ARE GOING
THROUGH PHASE 3 OF GETTING
FOLKS ON LINE, IT DOESN'T SOUND
LIKE THERE'S AN ASK OF US TO
ADD NEW TECHNOLOGY TO SEATTLE
CITY LIGHT OR ENHANCE THE AMI
STRUCTURE.
WHAT WOULD YOU NEED FROM US IN
ORDER TO GET TO YES FOR A RATE
CHANGE IN 2020?
>> HERE IS WHERE IT'S NICE, I
ONLY STARTED WORKING HERE FOUR
MONTHS.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO
GET THAT PROJECT COMPLETE
SIGNIFICANTLY SOONER.
YOU NEED SECOND-LEVEL
INTEGRATION.
THE NEW SEATTLE LIGHT DIRECTOR
STARTED A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE
HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK
ABOUT IT, HE IS DOING HIS
INITIAL ASSESSMENT.
THE PROJECT IS VERY MUCH
HAPPENING AND IT'S IN THE QUEUE
BUT -- I DON'T THINK WE CAN --
WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PORTAL.
I LIKE TO ALWAYS GET TO YES.
I REALLY DO.
AND THESE GUYS WILL TELL YOU, I
PUSHED ON THE PILOTS.
ORIGINALLY AND THESE GUYS WILL
TELL YOU, AND IF YOU WANT TO
JUMP IN?
>> I THINK THE REASON WE HAD
SUCH A SHORT TIMELINE IS
BECAUSE WE WERE HOPING FOR US
TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN THIRD AND
FOURTH QUARTER OF 2019 TO GET
SOMETHING UP IN 2020, FEEDBACK
ABOUT THE CONVERSATION.
>> THERE IS SO MUCH.
EVEN JUST BILL REDESIGN,
ADJUSTING RESIDENTIAL BLOCK
RATES.
TIME OF USE.
ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE
VETTED COMPLETELY AND WE
HAVEN'T EVEN JUMPED IN.
YOU'VE JUST BEEN DOING
STAKEHOLDERS.
TRYING TO GET DOWN INTO THE
WEEDS AND ONCE WE ARE IN THE
WEEDS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE AT
LEAST A YEAR OR TWO I THINK TO
BE HONEST.
>> I WOULD SUGGEST THIS.
I SHARED COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA'S DESIRE TO GET TO YES
AS YOU DO AS WELL.
LET'S LOOK FOR QUICK WINS.
GIVE US A TIMELINE, TELL US
WHAT'S GOING TO WORK.
LKE YOU JUST SAID, A YEAR OR
TWO?
SWALLOW DEEPLY BECAUSE SOME OF
US, AND SOME OF US GO.
WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT
WE CAN COUNT ON.
IF SOME OF YOUR QUICK WINS ARE
THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO BY THE
END OF 2019, LET US KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE.
LET US KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
IN 2020.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE.
THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BE ABLE
TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF YOU IN
OUTREACH.
LIKE JUST COMING BACK TO THE
AGE FRIENDLY PROJECT, IF YOU
WILL WORK WITH ME ON THIS CAN
BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
DOING AND WHAT THE SCHEDULE CAN
BE.
IF IT'S THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE
TWO YEARS TO GET THERE, IT'S
LIKE THE STAB IN THE HEART.
REALLY?
EVERYTHING TAKES A LONG.
>> I AM REMINDED OF THE FACT
THAT WE HAVE THE LETTER FROM
YOU ALL AT THE REVIEW PANEL,
EARLY 2018, HE HAD THE
COMMUNITY LETTER FROM JULY 2017.
IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF YOU'RE
TRYING TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS
PART OF OUR WORK PLAN AT THE
COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS.
I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK TO
PREVIOUS LETTERS BEYOND 2017, I
WASN'T HERE, BUT I KNOW THIS IS
SOMETHING FOLKS ARE SAYING THEY
ARE HUNGRY FOR.
AND YOU WANT TO ROLL IT OUT AND
DO IT CORRECTLY.
I AM INTERESTED IN READING MORE
OF THE DETAILS OF THE REPORT.
MAYBE WORKING WITH YOU TO GET
SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME
OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IDEAS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THE
UTILITY DISCOUNT PROGRAM FOR
FOLKS WHO NEED IT NOW.
AS A REMINDER, YOU'VE DONE A
GREAT JOB OF GETTING I THINK IT
WAS EIGHT TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE
ENROLLED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
COMPARED TO THE YEAR PRIOR.
BUT I THINK WE STILL HAVE THREE
QUARTERS OF THE YEAR ELIGIBLE
NOT ENROLLED.
I THINK DOING AN AUTO ENROLLMENT
IS A GREAT IDEA.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS A SEPARATE
LOW HANGING FRUIT IDEA UNTIL WE
IMPLEMENT A NEW SYSTEM.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO ASK FOR
YOUR TIMELINE.
WE SEE IN ONE OF THE SLIDES
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A
REVIEW DISCUSSION OF THE INITIAL
REPORT ON 26 FEBRUARY, IS THAT
CORRECT?
>> ARE YOU COMING?
BUT AM GOING TO COME.
I WAS JUST GOING TO COME BY AND
SAY HELLO AND THANK YOU.
BUT I COULD STAY FOR LONGER.
ONE QUESTION FOR YEAR -- YOU,
WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR OUR
AUDIENCE, WOULD IT BE OF
INTEREST TO HAVE THOSE RIGHT IN
FOR FEEDBACK BY THE 26, WHAT IS
THE PROCESS FOR FEEDBACK?
>> GETTING FEEDBACK IS GREAT.
WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO HAVE
FEEDBACK.
AGAIN, WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN
MOVING THINGS AS QUICKLY AS WE
CAN.
I THINK THESE GUYS KNEW IT WHEN
THEY SENT THE LETTER, IT'S A
REALLY BIG TASK.
IT'S A HEAVY LIFT TO DO IT
RIGHT.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE LAST
THING ANY OF US WANTS IS TO
ROLL OUT A RATE REDESIGN THAT
HASN'T BEEN DONE WELL.
THAT WILL -- THAT IS THE
HEALTHCARE EXCHANGE, I'M SORRY
TO SAY.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT.
>> WE WANT TO DO IT WELL.
BY THE WAY, I TOLD MY HUSBAND
THIS MORNING, I SAID BY THE
WAY, I WILL BE ON TV IF YOU
WANT TO WATCH.
HE SAID WHAT TIME?
I SAID SOMETIME AFTER 9:30 AM.
HE SAID I HAVE A CALL, I CAN
PUT IT ON WITHOUT VOLUME.
YOU CAN'T EVEN GET YOUR HUSBAND
TO WATCH.
[LAUGHTER]
>> IN ADDITION TO THE ITEM YOU
HAD, I THINK ON THE PREVIOUS
SLIDE YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME
PILOT PROJECTS, THERE WERE TWO
BULLETS MENTIONED, DO YOU HAVE
A SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT THE
TALKS WERE ABOUT THOSE IDEAS OR
WHEN CAN WE ENGAGE WITH YOU ON
SOME OF THOSE INTERIM
STRATEGIES?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO
SET UP A BE A SEPARATE TIME
WITH YOU.
I KNOW LIKE KIRSTEN, YOU GOING
TO PARTICIPATE IN THE END OF THE
-- DID YOU SEE THAT EMAIL?
KIRSTEN FOR INSTANCE IS
INVOLVED IN THE LP PC OR WEEI
-- LARGE PUBLIC POWER COUNCIL
HAS A REDESIGN GROUP HE'S PART
OF.
NORTHWEST POWER ASSOCIATION IS
PUTTING TOGETHER A WORKGROUP
AND UTILITIES DOING DIFFERENT
THINGS ARE COMING TOGETHER.
WE ARE TRYING TO LEAN INTO AND
LEARN FROM, WHAT ARE THE OTHER
KINDS OF PILOTS PEOPLE ARE
HAVING SUCCESS WITH?
I THINK FOR US WHAT WE CAN DO
AND WHAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN
DOING IS PROBABLY MAYBE THREE
THINGS.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET.
I SHARE THEM WITH YOU, BUT I
CAN'T VIEW SPECIFICS.
ONE IS, SOME SORT OF PILOT THAT
MIGHT WORK WITH METRO.
LAURA HAS BEEN TALKING WITH
FOLKS ON THAT.
THAT WOULD BE AROUND
ELECTRIFICATION ON THE PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION SIDE.
ANOTHER IS POTENTIALLY A TIME
OF USE PILOT FOR ELECTRICAL
VEHICLE OWNERS.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS SMALL
AND CONSTRAINED BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO
HANDLE IT IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.
MAYBE WE COULD USE A TIME OF
USE PILOT WITH VEHICLE OWNERS
BECAUSE WE CAN IDENTIFY THEM.
THE THIRD ONE IS WHERE I
MENTIONED WE ARE REALLY
INTERESTED IN SAYING, IS THERE
A WAY WE CAN DO SOMETHING FOR
LIMITED INCOME OR MAYBE WE DO
AGE FRIENDLY, FOR CUSTOMERS
WHERE THE SWEET SPOT IS WE KNOW
THEIR HOUSING STOCK NEEDS HELP.
THE THOUGHT WAS, WE COULD COME
IN, WE COULD THROW A BUNCH OF
ENERGY EFFICIENCY ADDED AND
MAKE A PERMANENT CHANGE FOR
THEM THE HELPS IN THE LONG-TERM.
TRY A VERY DIFFERENT RATE
STRUCTURE WITH THEM THAT KEEPS
THEM WHOLE AND GIVES THEM
STABILITY AND PROTECT ABILITY.
IT WOULD LARGELY BE A
PERCENTAGE OF INCOME.
IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE SAME
KIND OF RECOVERY OF REVENUE THE
CURRENT UDP PROGRAM DOES.
AT THE END OF IT, PERHAPS WE'VE
IDENTIFIED NEW UDP PARTICIPANTS
, THE PILOT ENDS AND WE HAVE
GONE INTO A CERTAIN AREA WHERE
WE KNOW THE INCOME LEVEL IS
PERHAPS LOWER, AND WE ARE ABLE
TO SIGN MORE FOLKS UP FOR THE
UDP THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO
BEFORE.
THOSE ARE THE THREE WE TALKED
ABOUT A STAFF.
>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO SEPARATE
THE TWO CONVERSATIONS.
FIRST THE WORK YOU ARE DOING ON
THE RATE REDESIGN AS A WHOLE,
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK
YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER SO FAR AND
FOR BEING OUT THERE AND ENGAGED
WITH THE COMMITTEE TO GET THEIR
FEEDBACK FROM EMPLOYERS AND
RESIDENTIAL.
TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT
WOULD BE A MORE EQUITABLE
STRUCTURE.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE WILL GET YOU FEEDBACK BY
TUESDAY THE 26th.
IF YOU CAN ALSO SEND US YOUR
101 ON RATES THAT YOU SHARED
WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THAT
WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR COMMITTEE
AND COMMUNITY AS WELL.
IN THE SECOND BUCKET ON INTERIM
PILOT IDEAS, AS WE RAMP UP TO
2021 IF THAT IS TRULY AS FAST
AS WE CAN MOVE TO GET THESE
RATE CHANGES IN PLACE, I THINK
IT REQUIRES A LONGER
CONVERSATION AND I THINK OUR
COMMITTEE WOULD LOVE TO ENGAGE
WITH YOU IN THE COMMUNITY
STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT VARIOUS
PILOT PROJECTS.
WE ARE IN SEATTLE I THINK
LEADING THE WAY ON MANY PILOT
PROJECTS ACROSS VARIOUS
DEPARTMENTS.
I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A ROUTE
OF ENGAGING IN PILOT PROJECTS
THE DON'T MEET OUR VALUES AND
GOALS OF THE CITY.
I'M GOING TO SIGNAL THAT I HAVE
CONCERNS.
HAVE CONCERNS WITH FIXED RATE,
SUBSCRIPTION, FLAT-RATE
APPROACHES.
I AM NOT VERY INTERESTED AT
THIS POINT IN ENGAGING IN A
PILOT PROGRAM THAT WOULD TEST
SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY
DOESN'T MEET OUR GOALS OR
VALUES AS A CITY.
I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN MORE
ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE ENGAGE IN
THAT TYPE OF PILOT.
THE SECOND PILOT YOU MENTIONED
AROUND ENERGY REDUCTION OR RATE
REDUCTION FOR THOSE WHO ARE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE OWNERS, AGAIN
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
ONE, BECAUSE OF THE SHEER
AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT COULD
POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR THOSE
VEHICLES
TWO, MORE REALISTICALLY
THINKING BROADER PICTURE, I
WOULD BE EXCITED IF WE ACTUALLY
CHANNELED MORE OF THAT ENERGY
USAGE INTO THE FIRST YOU TALKED
ABOUT WHICH IS WORKING WITH
RETRO AND OUR PARTNERS TO GET
AN ELECTRIC FLEET UP AND
RUNNING.
MAYBE PARTNERING WITH OUR FOLKS
AT THE PORT, ELECTRIFICATION OF
THE PORT.
ARE ONLY NATURALLY OCCURRING
DEEPWATER PORT.
CAN WE ENGAGE YOU WITH YOU ON
THAT SECOND BUCKET, MAYBE
BRAINSTORM A FEW MORE ITEMS.
WE KNOW YOU ARE VERY FOCUSED ON
TRYING TO HIT THIS DEADLINE FOR
MIDYEAR, BUT BEFORE WE GO DOWN
THE ROUTE OF FINISHING --
INITIATING PILOT PROJECTS TO
GET A SENSE OF WHERE THE
COMMUNITY PARTNERS, REVIEW
PANEL MEMBERS AND YOU AS A
LEADER OF CITY LIGHT ARE.
I DON'T TO SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY
ON A PROGRAM --
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
SPENDING MONEY.
THEY ARE REVENUE NEUTRAL AND
LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES.
THE PORT IS A BIG PART.
WE HAVE A WHOLE ELECTRIFICATION
EFFORT WE ARE DEVELOPING. I
THINK I SHARED LAST TIME FOR
US, INNOVATION AS A UTILITY IS
AROUND ELECTRIFICATION GOING
FORWARD.
WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE
OFFICE OF THE WATERFRONT.
WE ARE WORKING HARD AND
THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT PHASE
OF WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT AND
HOW WE CAN BE NOT JUST A
SERVICE PROVIDER BUT ACTUALLY
GET IN THERE AND HELP OUR CITY
PARTNERS AND THE PORT ON HOW
THEY CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THAT IS A BIG PART OF WHAT WE
ARE LOOKING AT.
>> PERHAPS USED THE WRONG WORD,
INSTEAD OF AVENUE I SHOULD OF
SAID RESOURCES.
OUR TIME AND PEOPLE.
>> LET'S TALK SOME MORE.
WE FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT WE BEGIN TO LEARN.
ON THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SIDE,
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS TIME OF
USE.
WE DO KNOW THAT IS ELECTRIC
VEHICLES, AND YOU ASKED THE
QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT, HAVE
SOME NUMBERS, I DON'T HAVE THEM
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FROM THE
LAST TIME WE DID THE FORECAST,
IT INCLUDED ASSUMPTIONS AROUND
RESIDENTIAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE
ADOPTION, IT'S NOT A HUGE
AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY.
BUT IT HAPPENS AT THE WRONG
TIME OF DAY, IT CAN BE REALLY
PROBLEMATIC FROM A GRID
STABILITY PERSPECTIVE.
TIME OF USE RATES FOR ELECTRIC
úUSE VEHICLE OWNERS ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT.
I CAN'T REALLY OVEREMPHASIZE
THAT.
UTILITIES EVERYWHERE ARE
GRAPPLING WITH THE FACT THAT WE
NEED TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE WHEN
CUSTOMERS -- TWO THINGS, ONE,
FROM A GRID STABILITY
PERSPECTIVE AND A RESOURCE
MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE TO
MANAGE THE TIME WHEN CUSTOMERS
ARE CHARGING VEHICLES SO IT'S
NOT HAPPENING, AS THEY DON'T
COME HOME AT 5 PM PLUG THE CAR
IN.
WHEN I'M ALSO COOKING DINNER,
RUNNING THE DISHWASHER AND
DOING LAUNDRY.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, A LOT
OF THIS SMART GRID THING ALSO,
THERE IS A REAL NOTION THAT
ELECTRIC VEHICLES BECOME
BATTERIES, THAT ELECTRIC
UTILITIES CAN USE TO HELP
STABILIZE THE GRID AND ACTUALLY
DRAW FROM.
THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT
PIECE.
LET'S TALK OFF-LINE AND I CAN
GET YOU MORE INFORMATION.
THAT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT HELPING
ELECTRIC VEHICLE USERS SAVE
MONEY OR USE MORE OR LESS, IT'S
ABOUT HELPING TO SHAPE THE LOAD
AND THE TIMING.
>> THAT'S HELPFUL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
NICE JOB AS COUNCILMEMBER
BAGSHAW SAID.
VERY NICE JOB.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK.
THIS IS JUST THE INTERIM
REPORT, WOW.
WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY.
WE WILL GET A CHANCE TO SAY
THANKS TO FOLKS IN PERSON.
>> WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO
HAVING YOU COME.
IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO COME
THAT'S GREAT.
>> HOW MANY POSITIONS DO WE
HAVE OPEN?
THREE.
ONE IS COUNCIL POSITION AND TWO
ARE MAYORAL.
IF YOU ARE WATCHING TV VIEWING
AUDIENCE, LET US KNOW IF YOU'RE
INTERESTED.
IF OUR COCHAIRS HAVE IDEAS LET
US KNOW.
WE ARE EXCITED TO HELP FILL
THAT ROLE.
IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR A WHILE.
>> AS WE START TO BRING THIS
WORK TO A CLOSE ON APRIL 1,
GOING TO START INTO STRATEGIC
PLANNING AND WE REALLY WANT A
FULL COMPLEMENT ON BOARD WHEN
WE START THAT PROCESS.
>> WHAT IS THE SKILL SET YOU
ARE LOOKING FOR?
>> UTILITY FINANCIAL ANALYST.
>> THAT IS THE POSITION CAL
SURELY HAD IN THE PAST.
HE STEPPED DOWN.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ , I KNOW YOU HAVE TO
LEAVE EARLY.
YOU WANT TO DO A QUICK PSA ON
THE NEWS WE SAW THIS MORNING?
>> ACTUALLY, WHAT COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA IS TALKING ABOUT IS WE
HAVE HAD KIND OF A RASH OF
SCAMS. IT HAPPENS IN CYCLES.
I THINK THE THEORY WE HAVE
RIGHT NOW ANYWAY IS THAT AS WE
HAVE EXPERIENCED COLDER WINTER
WEATHER, CUSTOMERS ARE FEELING
MORE VULNERABLE.
SO THEY ARE MORE EASILY
SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE SCAM IT
BASICALLY SAYS, YOU NEED TO DO
SOMETHING WHERE YOUR POWER WILL
BE SHUT OFF.
WHAT ALARMED US, AND I HAVE
SOME INFORMATION I WILL LEAVE
WITH YOU COUNCIL MEMBER, WE
FIRST PUT THIS ON OUR BLOG
JANUARY 24.
I ACTUALLY WANTED RECEIVING AN
EMAIL, THIS IS WHAT
PRECIPITATED IT.
IT WAS THE CUSTOMER ACTUALLY
HAD SOMEONE SHOW UP AT THEIR
HOME PRETENDING TO BE A CITY
LIGHT EMPLOYEE.
TRYING TO COLLECT MONEY WHICH
WAS REALLY SCARY.
WHEN THEY WENT TO GET, I THINK
IT WAS A FAMILY MEMBER OR THEIR
SON, THE INDIVIDUAL RAN OFF BUT
SHE GOT IN TOUCH WITH ME AND WE
WERE THANKFUL BECAUSE WE FOUND
WHEN HE CONTACTED THE CALL
CENTER WHERE CUSTOMERS CALL IN,
THAT WAS NOT AN ISOLATED
INCIDENT.
IT'S BEEN ABOUT THE LAST MONTH.
WE HAVE HAD A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL
OF PEOPLE.
I THINK WE WERE ON THE NEWS
LAST NIGHT, OUR PUBLIC
INFORMATION OFFICER WANTED TO
REITERATE THAT WE NEVER CONTACT
CUSTOMERS, WE NEVER GO TO YOUR
HOME, WE NEVER CALL YOU TELL
YOU YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR BILL.
WE PROVIDE FINAL NOTICES.
COMMUNICATE IN WRITING WITH OUR
CUSTOMERS ABOUT IF A BILL IS
DELINQUENT.
WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO MAKE
PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS WITH
PEOPLE.
MUCH OF HER OUTREACH TO
CUSTOMERS IS AROUND ENCOURAGING
THEM TO CONTACT US SO THEY CAN
MAKE A PAYMENT ARRANGEMENT.
PARTICULARLY IN THIS COLD
WEATHER, WE WANT CUSTOMERS TO
HAVE UNINTERRUPTED ELECTRICITY.
IF SOMEONE CALLS YOU, OR COMES
TO YOUR HOME OR IN SOME WAY
IMPLIES THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE A
PAYMENT RIGHT NOW, OR YOUR
SERVICE WILL BE CUT OFF, THAT
IS NOT CITY LIGHT.
I CAN ACTUALLY SAY, THAT IS
REALLY NOT ANY OF YOUR UTILITIES
. THAT IS NOT THE WAY UTILITIES
RULE.
WE ARE ALL PRETTY CONSISTENT
THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS.
LET US KNOW.
LET US KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENING
SO WE KEEP THAT OUT IN A PUBLIC
AWARENESS.
THERE IS A RASH OF THAT NOW.
>> WE SHOWED YOUR TWEET AS WELL
ON OUR FACEBOOK, I'M SORRY ON
OUR TWITTER.
WE WILL PUT IT ON OUR FACEBOOK.
AND ENCOURAGE OTHER FOLKS TO
GET THE WORD OUT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT
STEP IS BUT AFTER YOU HAVE
GOTTEN INFORMATION THAT A SCAM
HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED, I HOPE YOU
FOLLOW-UP WITH THE PROSECUTING
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR THE AG
BECAUSE WE DO KNOW IS THEY ARE
KEEPING AN EYE ON THESE KIND OF
CONSUMER SCAMS.
I WANT TO KEEP THAT MOVING.
>> I DON'T KNOW BUT I WILL
FOLLOW UP.
>> EXCELLENT.
I THINK THAT IS A CRITICAL.
A LOT OF HOMES AND BUSINESSES
HAVE CAMERAS SO IT CAN BE USED
AS EVIDENCE IS A FORM -- AS A
FORMER PROSECUTOR I SAY LET'S
KEEP MOVING.
>> DID YOU SEE LAST NIGHT THEY
HAD PUT THEIR HOME AND THEY HAD
CAMERAS AND THE PEOPLE STILL
THERE TELEVISION AND TRASHED
THE HOUSE.
IT'S ALL ON CAMERA.
>> GOOD THAT THERE IS EVIDENCE
AND THAT WILL TAKE AFTER THEM
AND NOT SIT WITH HANDS FOLDED.
THANK YOU.
>> A GOOD IDEA TO CONTACT THE
AG.
THAT IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY
FOCUSES OF THE CONSUMER
PROTECTION ITEM.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE
9 AM.
THANK YOU FOR THIS INCREDIBLE
PRESENT TATIAN.
I THINK WE WILL CLOSE THIS
MEETING.
OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE MARCH
7 AT 9:30 AM.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE FINAL
AGENDA.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH
YOU IN THE MEANTIME TO PREPARE
A LITTLE MORE ON HOW WE CAN BE
HELPFUL IN THIS PROCESS.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE
TAKING ON ON BEHALF OF US AS
CONSUMERS OF SEATTLE CITY LIGHT
AS WELL WE APPRECIATE IT.
WITH THAT THIS MEETING IS
ADJOURNED.
>> THANK YOU ALL.