>>> GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY,
WELCOME TO THE SUSTAINABILITY
AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE,
MY NAME IS MIKE O'BRIEN, IT IS
JULY 2, 2019, IT IS 2:06 PM,
AND THANK YOU KELLY FOR BEING
HERE.
I WOULD JUST GO OVER THE AGENDA
REALLY QUICKLY, THEN I WANTED
TO DO A CHAIRS REPORT, WE ARE
GOING TO CONSIDER AN
APPOINTMENT TO THE SWEETENED
BEVERAGE TAX ADVISORY BOARD,
AND A COUPLE OF ORDINANCES,
RELATED TO ACCEPTING GRANT
FUNDING FOR TRANSPORTATION
PROJECTS, AND A PRESENTATION ON
COMMUTER BENEFITS AND
CONGESTION PRICING.
>>> BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THAT, I
WANTED TO SHARE PUBLICLY A VIDEO
OF SOMETHING THAT HAS CONTINUED
TO CAUSE SAFETY CONCERNS ON
34th AVENUE NORTHEAST, FOLKS
MIGHT RECALL THAT A LITTLE OVER
A MONTH AGO, AFTER A REDESIGN,
A VIDEO SHARE THAT SHOWED SOME
CONCERNS THE DESIGN APPEAR USED
TO BE A 2 LANE ROAD, THEY HAVE
ELIMINATED PARKING TO MAKE IT A
3 LANE ROAD, WITH THE HOPES
THAT IT WOULD ALLOW TRAFFIC TO
MOVE MORE SMOOTHLY, AND I GUESS
THE MORE SPACE TO MAKE IT SAFER
FOR FOLKS THAT ARE BICYCLING,
AND WHAT WE SAW A FEW WEEKS AGO
WAS A VIDEO OF A CYCLIST WITH
THE CAR IS MAKING ILLEGAL HIGH-
SPEED PASSES IN THE CENTER TURN
LANE.
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS .--
SDOT HAS PUT BARRIERS,
DIFFERENT PEOPLE TURNING, WOULD
ALSO APPEARS TO BE AN ILLEGAL
PASS.
TO AVOID THOSE, BULLARD'S, AND
THEIR ATTEMPT TO MAKE THE SAVER
HAS MADE IT MORE DANGEROUS.
-- BULLARDS. THE COMMITTEE WROTE
A LETTER TO SDOT LAST TIME, AND
I WOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR,
THE SECOND ITERATION OF MAKING
THE SAFER, AND KEEPS GETTING
WHAT APPEARS TO BE LESS SAFE AT
EACH ITERATION, I'M NOT SURE
HOW MUCH WE NEED TO GO BEFORE
WE GO BACK TO DESIGN THAT HAS
BEEN PROVEN TO BE SAFE,
RECORDERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY
AND COUNTRY, AND THE -- IT'S
NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, I WANT
THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE ARE
TRACKING IT AND AWARE OF IT, I
DON'T HAVE ANY COLLEAGUES AT
THE TABLE AT THE MOMENT, I KNOW
SOME COLLEAGUES SHARE THOSE
CONCERNS.
WITH THAT, SINCE I'M THE ONLY
ONE HERE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD
AND MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA,
AND I WILL SECOND THAT, AND I
WILL VOTE YES ON IMPROVING THE
AGENDA.
ALWAYS A FUN ACTIVITY .
>>> WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO
SWITCH TO PUBLIC COMMENT,
KELLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND
BRINGING ME THE SIGN IN SHEET,
FOLKS WILL HAVE UP TO TWO
MINUTES TO COMMENT, IF YOU COME
TO THE MICROPHONE, THREE FOLKS
SIGNED UP, MEGAN CREWS IS
FIRST, FOLLOWED BY MEGAN
MURPHY.
-- MEGAN CRUZ.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
TODAY WILL BE -- WE WILL BE
TALKING ABOUT CONGESTION
PRICING, AND SOLVING TRAFFIC
ISSUES, AND ACROSS THE REST OF
THE CITY, WHEN WE DO THAT, WE
NEED TO LOOK AT THE ELEMENTS,
AND WE ARE NOT DOING THAT,
SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLES,
ACROSS THE CITY, THAT MIGHT BE
A PROBLEM, IS NOT THE FASTEST
GROWING, ALL THE TRAFFIC
DOWNTOWN, THE BIGGEST PART OF
THE GROWING TRAFFIC AND BETTER
KNOWN AS UBER AND LYFT, NOWHERE
IN ANYBODY'S RADAR, NOT WITH
THE COUNTY OR THE CITY, IT
REALLY HAS TO BE CONSIDERED OR
WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE A DENT
IN THIS AT ALL, JUST A FEW
FACTS.
FOR EVERY MILE, A SINGLE CAR
AND DRIVER PUT ON THE ROAD, 18
C, FOR, LYFT, PUTS 2 OR 3
MILES, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE
RIGHT IS SHARED TEST RIDE IS
SHARED.
THERE ARE THOUSANDS, AND THE
INCREASE IS 30% ANNUALLY, IT IS
A PROBLEM.
WITH TRUCKS AND DELIVERIES, THE
RATE IS GOING TO DOUBLE BY 2022,
AND WE ARE NOT EVEN COUNTING
THESE TRUCKS.
ANNUAL e-COMMERCE DELIVERIES
ARE GOING UP BY 15% ANNUALLY.
THE CITY HAS THE STATS, BUT IT
IS NOT EVEN DISCUSSING HOW TO
GET IT ON THE MAP, AND HOW TO
DO WITH IT, MY POINT IS, IF WE
ARE GOING TO RATION TRAFFIC, OR
CREATE DISINCENTIVES FOR CHARGES
FOR VEHICLES, WE NEED TO
INCLUDE ALL VEHICLES.
SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD LIKE IT
TO ADDRESS TODAY, WHERE TRUCKS
AND TEEN SEES FIT INTO THE
TRAFFIC PLANNING FOR THE CITY,
ON A DAILY BASIS, AND
SPECIFICALLY, WHETHER THESE
MODES ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED
IN THE CONGESTION PRICING
PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU.
>>> THANK YOU MEGAN.
2 MEGAN'S.
>> IT WAS GOOD TO WATCH THE EDU
PASS, -- ADU AND DADU, IT IS
NOT ENOUGH HOUSING, I HAVE A
LOT OF COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
VEHICLES HERE, BECAUSE I WOULD
NOT BE ABLE TO -- I CAN
UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY HAVE RAGE
AND THEY GET ANGRY, THEY ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS THING, YOU
CALLED AT 4000 POUNDS, IT IS A
LOT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, I
CAN ONLY HOPE THAT WE COULD
DEVELOP AS A COMMUNITY, MORE
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE
YOU CAN TALK ON THE PHONE, DO
SO MUCH ON PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION PLANS, AND IT
SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE'S IDENTITY
ARE LIKE I WANT TO GO HERE NOW,
AND IF IT IS PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION, IT TAKES MORE
PLANNING, GLOBAL WARMING IS
GETTING MORE SERIOUS, SO MUCH
OIL GOING IN THE ATMOSPHERE,
AND I WONDER, WHERE DO CARS GO
WHEN PEOPLE ARE DONE WITH THEM?
I DON'T KNOW.
IT IS JUST CRAZY.
>>> WITH HOUSING, I WAS LOOKING
IN VIENNA, THIS STRUCTURE THAT
STARTED A LONG TIME AGO, THEY
GET BENEFITS OF HOUSING WHEN
THEY PLAN TOGETHER AS
COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE SO MANY
BENEFITS TO THAT LIVING
SITUATION, I SAW PRESENTATION
ABOUT IT, I COULD ONLY HOPE
THAT SEATTLE, JUST LIKE
EVERYONE COULD PLAN MORE
TOGETHER ABOUT COMMUNITIES.
TO SAVE RESOURCES, AND MY MOM
HAS BEEN SEEING MY SON, THEY
MIGHT LET HIM COME STAY WITH ME,
IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE UPWARD
MOBILITY.
>> KELSEY? IF THERE IS ANYBODY
ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE PUBLIC
COMMENT YOU CAN COME FORWARD
WHEN KELSEY IS FINISHED.>> I'M
WITH TRANSPORTATION CHOICES
COALITION, THE CHANCE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF THE CONGESTION
PRICING, WE BELIEVE CONGESTION
PRICING IS THE TYPE OF BULL
POLICY OUR CITY NEEDS TO
IMPLEMENT TO REACH GOALS AROUND
HEALTH SUSTAINABILITY AN
OPPORTUNITY.
CONTINUING TO GROW, MANAGING
HOW OUR ROADS ARE USED, HEAVILY
INVESTING IN NONDRIVING OPTIONS
ARE THE ONLY PROVEN WAY TO KEEP
US MOVING.
WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, FOR
FUNDING THE STUDY, YOU'RE GOING
TO HEAR ABOUT, AS WELL AS MAYOR
DURKIN FOR HER VOCAL SUPPORT IN
MOVING FORWARD WITH POLICY
DEVELOPMENT.
HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AS
YOU CONSIDER NEXT STEPS.
FIRST AN EQUITABLE PROCESS WITH
THE BROAD COALITION, THE ONLY
PATH TO PRICING POLICY.
WE WANT TO SEE ROBUST
TRANSPORTATION CHOICES IN PLACE
ON DAY ONE, TO PROVIDE REAL
ALTERNATIVES TO DRIVING
DOWNTOWN, A RICHER SET OF
REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION
INVESTMENTS AND SERVICES.
WE WANT TO SEE A PROGRESSIVE
PRICING SYSTEM, TO NOT JUST
MITIGATE HARM, BUT REALLY TO
DESIGN A PRICING SYSTEM, AND
EXPLORE HOW REVENUE COULD BE
PROGRESSIVE AND POTENTIALLY
REPLACE OTHER REGRESSIVE FORMS
OF TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, AND
FINALLY REINVESTED IN
SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION.
AND BIKING, TRANSIT AND WALKING
NETWORKS.
WE KNOW THAT INITIALLY PRICING
CAN BE $130 A TRAFFIC, EVERY
SINGLE YEAR, COLLECTIVELY WE
LOSE $5 MILLION IN PRODUCTIVITY,
TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THE
GREENHOUSE GASES, IF DONE
RIGHT, CONGESTION PRICING CAN
DEAL WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
>> ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT?
SEEING ON, WE WILL CLOSE INTO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. -- SEEING
NONE.
IF THE PRESENTERS WANT TO COME
FORWARD.
YOU ARE AGENDA ITEM 1.
>> APPOINTMENT 01372, TANIKA
THOMPSON BIRD, AS A MEMBER OF
THE SWEETENED BEVERAGE TAX
ADVISORY BOARD, FOR A TERM
UNTIL AUGUST 21, 2023.
>> WELCOME, IF YOU WANT TO JUST
DO A? INTRODUCTION.>> GOOD
AFTERNOON, I AM BRIDGET IGOE
WITH THE OFFICE OF
SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENT,
I PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE BOARD,
AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, THE
BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE
SAME ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THE
TAX, THE RULE IS TO DEVELOP
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD
AND CITY COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE
BEVRAGE TAX REVENUE, AND THAT
ALIGN WITH THE ORDINANCE, IT
STATES THAT SBT REVENUE SHALL
BE USED FOR HEALTHY FOOD
PROGRAMS, AND CHILD HEALTH
DEVELOPMENTS IN READINESS FOR
SCHOOL, ADDITIONALLY, THE
INTENT IS TO BENEFIT
COMMUNITIES THAT EXPRESS THE
GREATEST HEALTH AND EDUCATION
AND EQUITIES.
11 MEMBERS, AND TANIKA THOMPSON,
FOR ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS,
THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE,
MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE TANIKA
THOMPSON, AN ORGANIZER AND
ACTIVIST WHO HAS LIVED IN
SEATTLE HER WHOLE LIFE.
A FOOD ACCESS ORGANIZER FOR GOT
GREEN, A LEADER IN THE CAMPAIGN
TO CLOSE THE FOOD SECURITY GAP.
SO WORKING FAMILIES CAN PUT
HEALTHY FOOD ON THE TABLE.
BEFORE JOINING GOT GREEN, A
MEMBER AN ORGANIZER AND
EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBER AT UNION
775, REPRESENTING 45,000 LONG-
TERM CARE WORKERS.
A KEY MEMBER TO HELP PASS THE
SWEETENED BEVERAGE TAX, AND A
GRASSROOTS COALITION TO ENSURE
THAT IT IS INVESTED BACK INTO
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES AND
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT ARE
IMPACTED BY HEALTH EDUCATION
AND INEQUITY.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> SHE PROBABLY NEEDS NO
INTRODUCTION.
>> YOU HAVE SPENDING A LOT OF
TIME IN CITY COUNCIL FOR THE
LAST FEW WEEKS, BUT IT IS NICE
THAT THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR A
FORMAL ROLE HERE.
MAYBE TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
ME AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT -- TOLD
ME IN THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT WHAT YOU HOPE TO
ACCOMPLISH?
>> WHEN GOT GREEN FOUND OUT THAT
THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY OF
SEATTLE WAS GOING TO PASS A
SWEETENED BEVERAGE TAX, WE
THOUGHT THIS IS A WONDERFUL
OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THE FOOD
SECURITY GAP.
AND THERE WERE NO FUNDS
REALIZING THE COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR, AND LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES, WOULD BE IMPACTED
THE MOST.
WE WANTED TO GIVE THE MONEY
BACK TO THOSE COMMUNITIES IN A
POSITIVE WAY.
THERE IS NO BETTER WAY THAN
GIVING THEM HEALTHY FOOD.
AND SO PROVIDING ACCESS TO
HEALTHY FOOD IS JUST SUCH A
WONDERFUL THING TO DO FOR MY
COMMUNITY.
IT MAKES ME FEEL REALLY GOOD,
THEY ARE SO GRATEFUL, ALWAYS SO
HAPPY, IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE --
THEY MAKE ME FEEL LIKE I HAVE
COME TO THEM RIGHT ON TIME.
THEY LOOK FOR ME EVERY MONTH TO
GET THEIR VOUCHERS, AND IT IS
JUST A WONDERFUL THING TO DO
FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE
SO MUCH.
WE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE
CITY TO PUT A PLAN TOGETHER TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDS WOULD
GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, AND
WE FOUGHT REALLY HARD, THE
AMERICAN BEVERAGE ASSOCIATION,
DID A LOT OF DEBATES, TRYING TO
TELL PEOPLE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
THE TAX, AND THAT IT WASN'T
SUCH A REGRESSIVE TAX, BECAUSE
THE MONEY WAS GOING TO COME
BACK TO THEM.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS
FIGHT, BY BEING ON THE
COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD FOR
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND LOW
INCOME.
>> I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF
WORKING WITH YOU FOR A FEW
YEARS, THRILLED THAT YOU ARE
WILLING TO SERVE ON THE
COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD.
I WONDER IF YOU WOULD DESCRIBE
FOR THE PUBLIC IN THE CAMERA,
THE FOOD SECURITY GAP, AND WHAT
THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE
COMMUNITIES YOU'RE WORKING
WITH?
>> THE FOOD SECURITY GAP IS
MADE UP OF 122,000 FAMILIES IN
KING COUNTY WHO ARE MAKING WHAT
IS CONSIDERED A LIVING WAGE,
BUT BECAUSE THE COST OF LIVING
HAS GONE UP SO HIGH IN SEATTLE
LATELY, RENT IS RIDICULOUS,
THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR RENT,
THEIR BILLS AND AFFORD HEALTHY
FOOD.
HEALTHY FOOD IS KIND OF PRICEY,
SO THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR
EBT OR SNAP BENEFITS, BECAUSE
THEY MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY.
THEY ARE OFTEN OVERLOOKED, THEY
REALLY DO NEED HELP, STRUGGLING
TO PUT HEALTHY FOOD ON THE
TABLE, SEATTLE IS THE FIRST
CITY TO ADDRESS THE FOOD
SECURITY GAP.
>> THAT IS GREAT.
IT IS AN AMAZING PROGRAM, A LOT
OF WORK TO DO, IT FEELS LIKE WE
HAVE TAKEN SOME GOOD STEPS IN
CLOSING THAT GAP, BUT A LOT
MORE DEMAND TO MAKE SURE
EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY HAS
ACCESS TO HEALTHY AND
NUTRITIOUS FOOD.
THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.
I'M THRILLED THAT YOU'RE GOING
TO SERVE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
THE OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW THIS IS A BIG COMMITMENT,
THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD
HAS DONE AMAZING WORK,
OBVIOUSLY REALLY IMPORTANT WORK,
RECOMMENDATIONS I TAKE VERY
SERIOUSLY ON HOW TO BE INVESTING
THE REVENUE FROM THE SWEETENED
BEVERAGE TAX, AND SO I KNOW IT
IS NO SMALL COMMITMENT, SO
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS
TO SERVE ON THE BOARD.
>> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR
ALL OF YOUR WORK AS WELL.
AND I WILL VOTE RIGHT ON IT,
JUST LIKE THAT.
I WILL APPROVE, THIS WILL GO TO
THE FULL COUNCIL NEXT MONDAY,
BUT YOU CAN START WORK
IMMEDIATELY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>>
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.
>> ANOTHER APPOINTMENT, 01378,
APPOINTMENT OF STEPHEN FRY IS
A MEMBER OF THE URBAN FORESTRY
COMMISSION, UNTIL MARCH 21,
2022.
>> WELCOME, WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY, DOING?
INTRODUCTIONS.
>> THE COMMISSION WAS
ESTABLISHED, TO ADVISE CITY
COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR ON
POLICIES, PLANS AND REGULATIONS
HAVING TO DO WITH THE URBAN
FOREST, COMPRISED OF 13
POSITIONS, SIX ARE APPOINTED BY
THE MAYOR, 6 BY CITY COUNCIL,
ONE IS A POSITION ELECTED AMONG
THE MEMBERS, THE MAYOR IS
RECOMMENDING POSITION 8,
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY OR NON-
CITY UTILITIES REPRESENTATIVES,
A PROGRAM DIRECTOR, FOCUSED ON
REDUCING ENERGY, AND INTENSITY,
AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION
EMISSIONS, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS
THROUGHOUT SEATTLE AND
NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.
EXPERIENCE SPANNING THE
NONPROFIT SECTORS,
UNDERSTANDING OF CODE
REQUIREMENTS AROUND
DEVELOPMENTS, SPECIFICALLY THE
GREEN FACTOR, BALANCING
DEVELOPMENT, PRESERVATION WOULD
BE A DEVELOPMENT, HE HAS BEEN
APPOINTMENT TO A THREE-YEAR
TERM, ENDING MARCH 31, 2022.
>> WELCOME, THANKS FOR YOUR
SERVICE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO
BE ON THE URBAN FOREST
COMMISSION, TELL US LITTLE BIT
ABOUT YOUR BACKGROND.
AND WHY THIS POSITION IS OF
INTEREST TO YOU, AND WHAT YOU
HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH?
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME,
I'VE SPENT THE LAST YEAR AND A
HALF FOCUSING ON GREEN ISSUES
WITHIN THE CITY, TREES, A HUGE
PROPONENT OF THAT, AND I HOPE
TO PUSH FOR THE UPDATE TO THE
TREE ORDINANCE, WHICH HAS BEEN
KIND OF AN ONGOING EFFORT FOR
NUMBER OF YEARS, AS I'M SURE
YOU ARE AWARE, KIND OF WHAT I
HOPE TO LEND WEIGHT TOWARDS
THAT DISCUSSION IS NATURAL
CAPITAL COUNTY OF TREES, THE
BENEFITS THEY ARE PROVIDING TO
OUR COMMUNITIES, NAMELY THE
URBAN EFFECT, THEIR QUALITY,
HABITAT FOR SPECIES, AND STORE
MONITORS, THINGS THAT
CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO OUR
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT
NECESSARILY FACTORED INTO THE
VALUE, AND I HOPE TO PUSH
FORWARD THE TRUE VALUE OF
MATURE TREES, IF YOU CHOP DOWN
A MATURE TREE AND REPLACE IT
WITH A SAPLING, THE EFFECTS ARE
NECESSARILY THE SAME, THAT IS
NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT
CURRENTLY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRIORITIZE
GREEN INVESTMENT IN
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
TRADITIONALLY HAVE NOT BEEN
RECIPIENTS OF IT, AND
CONNECTIVE GREENWAYS THAT
CONNECT PUBLIC SPACES.
TREES CAN SERVE AS A GREAT
EXAMPLE OF THAT.
>> WAY FINDER, YOU MEAN GO TO
THE DOUGLAS FIR ON THE CORNER?
>> OR MORE LIKE THIS IS THE
PATH, IF YOU HAVE TREES IN A
ROW, THEY CAN FOLLOW THE PATH.
THE TREE ORDINANCE IN THE CITY,
THROUGH FITS AND STARTS,
WITHOUT DELIVERABLES, WE BOTH
HAVE ABOUT SIX MONTHS LEFT ON
THE COUNCIL, HAVE YOU BEEN
INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS TO
DATE?
>> I HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT, AND
ENGAGED KIND OF WHAT THE NEW
ORDINANCE IS SHAPING UP TO LOOK
LIKE, I HAD READ THAT, BUT I
HAVEN'T REALLY DRAFTED THE
LANGUAGE IT.
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR
BACKGROUND, AND YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN THIS, LOOK
FORWARD TO YOUR SERVICE,
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?
THANKS, THE COMMISSION HAS A
LOT OF WORK IN FRONT OF US,
OBVIOUSLY A GROWING CITY, A LOT
OF PRESSURE, DEVELOPMENT
PRESSURE, WHICH OFTEN RESULTS,
TOO OFTEN IN USING SOME OF OUR
CHERISHED TREES, A BETTER JOB
OF PROTECTING THOSE SOMEONE
WITH YOUR BACKGROUND WILL BE A
GREAT ADDITION TO THE
COMMISSION.
>> THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE
APPOINTMENT 01378, AND 2nd
THAT, AND I WILL VOTE AYE. YOU
WILL BE BEFORE THE FULL COUNCIL
ON MONDAY.
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
>>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
>> CB 119560, AN ORDINANCE
ACCEPTING THE GIFT OF FUNDS FOR
DESIGN AND PURCHASE OF
PLANTINGS AT FOR BUSINESS NODES
ALONG DELRIDGE WAY SOUTHWEST AS
PART OF THE DELRIDGE WAY
SOUTHWEST RAPID RIDE LETTER
EACH LINE PROJECT.
-- LETTER H.
>> LET ME GET TO THE RIGHT
PRESENTATION HERE.
>> I'M FROM THE SEATTLE
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
DIRECTOR'S OFFICE.
SO DO YOU WANT TO JUMP RIGHT
INTO IT?>> THIS IS A BILL THAT
ALLOWS US TO ACCEPT A GIFT OF
ABOUT $6000, UP TO $6632.52,
FOR SOME PLANTINGS ON THE DELL
RIDGE RAPIDRIDE, -- DELRIDGE.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OED
FOR SEVERAL YEARS, ON TRYING TO
BETTER ESTABLISH SOME SMALL
BUSINESS NODES ALONG THE
DELRIDGE CORRIDOR.
AND THESE ARE PART OF THE
EFFORT TO PROVIDE GREATER
IDENTITY -- IDENTITY.
AND WE ARE -- AND YOU CAN SEE
THE 30% DRAWINGS UP THERE, THE
LOCATIONS OF THE MEDIANS, AND
THE PLANTINGS, WHERE THEY WOULD
GO, A CROSS-SECTION, IN THE
LOWER LEFT, THE MORE UNIQUE SET
OF PLANTINGS THAT WOULD BE
CARED FOR THAT -- TO ACCEPT
THAT GIFT, ASKING FOR THAT.
>> I'M CURIOUS WHY -- HOW DID
THIS COME ABOUT?
NORMALLY THE CITY WOULD JUST BE
PROVIDING FUNDING?
>> WE ARE PROVIDING THEM ON OUR
OWN, RAISING THE MONEY TO DO IT.
AND THEY HAVE HIRED A LANDSCAPE
ARCHITECT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THESE PLANTINGS FIT WITHIN OUR
STANDARDS, THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT
-- I WOULD SAY EVEN MORE
UNIQUE, RATHER THAN EVEN
ENHANCED, BUT THEY FIT THE
STANDARDS FOR HOW WE MAINTAIN
VEGETATION AND THE RIGHT-OF-
WAY.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT, I ASSUME
EVEN MODEST GIFTS, WE ARE
REQUIRED TO APPROVE, ALL THE
WAY DOWN TO $.52, I APPRECIATE
YOU GIVING ME SPECIFICS THERE.
ON A SOMEWHAT RELATED QUESTION,
AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE
ANSWER, SO FEEL FREE TO DIRECT
ME TO SOMEONE ELSE, IS IT 60%
NOW?
>> THE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND
PROBABLY NOT -- UNLESS YOU HAVE
SOMETHING YOU WANT TO COMMENT
ON?
>> AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL,
PROTECTED BIKE LANE IN ONE
DIRECTION FOR A GOOD SEGMENT OF
IT, PARTS OF THE CORRIDOR, IT
IS 2 WAY, AND IN OTHER
SEGMENTS, IT RELIES MORE ON THE
26th AVENUE GREENWAY, JUST A
COUPLE OF BLOCKS TO THE EAST.
>> OKAY, GREAT.
>> WEST, I'M SORRY.
>> AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK
IT WAS A MONTH OR SO AGO, A
LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENTATION
THAT SHOWED SOME OF THE
ALIGNMENT, SOMETHING I JUST
READ PRIVATELY, I WAS HERE,
THANKS, I AM INTERESTED TO SEE
IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
MAKE THE CORRIDOR A LITTLE BIT
MORE ROBUST, HAVING IN AND OUT,
BUT I WILL FOLLOW-UP MORE.
>> WE CAN HAVE THE P.M.
BRIEF YOU ON THE PROJECT.
>> ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO
KNOW?>> JUST THAT THIS IS THE
TIMELINE FOR THE PROJECT,
PUTTING THESE PLANTINGS IN,
ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE
PLANTINGS AT THE END OF THE
PROJECT IN 2021.>> SUPER.
I WILL MOVE COUNCIL BILL
119560, I WILL VOTE YES, THAT
WILL GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL ON
MONDAY.
AND YOU ARE HERE FOR THE NEXT
PRESENTATION?>> I AM.>> COUNCIL
BILL 119563, AN ORDINANCE
RELATING TO THE GRANT FUNDS FROM
NON-CITY SOURCES, AUTHORIZING
THE DIRECTOR OF THE SEATTLE
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO
ACCEPT A SPECIFIED GRANT AND TO
EXECUTE, DELIVER, AND PERFORM
CORRESPONDING AGREEMENTS FOR
AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY,
AMENDING ORDINANCE 125724,
WHICH ADOPTED THE 2019 BUDGET,
INCLUDING THE 2019-2024 CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, CIP,
CHANGING APPROPRIATIONS TO THE
SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION, REVISING
PROJECT ALLOCATIONS AND
SPENDING PLANS FOR CERTAIN
PROJECTS IN THE 2019-2024 CIP,
AND RATIFYING AND CONFIRMING
CERTAIN PRIOR ACTS.>> IF I
RECALL FROM MY RECENT COMMITTEE
MEETING, AT THE LAST GRANT
ACCEPTANCE, WEEKS UP TO THE
WHOLE HOST OF THINGS, AND
CONTINGENTLY, AND SURE ENOUGH
AS WELL.
>> EXACTLY RIGHT, A LEVY FUNDED
PROJECT, ALREADY GOING INTO
CONSTRUCTION, AND THE LEVERAGING
TARGETS, ONE OF 16 PROJECTS I
BELIEVE, AND I THINK MOST
PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE
BRIDGE, CONNECTING 15th AVENUE,
CONNECTING THE DISTRICT AND
RAVENNA TOWER PARK AREA.
IT IS -- IT WAS BUILT I BELIEVE
IN 1926.
-- 1936, EXCUSE ME, IT DOES A
LOT OF THINGS LIKE WRAPPING
BEAMS AND STRUCTURAL FIBER, AND
REINFORCES THE SUPPORT BEAMS,
AND DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE THE
STRUCTURE WITHSTANDS AN
EARTHQUAKE, SO THAT NO ONE IS
SEVERELY HURT OR KILLED.
THE BRIDGE DOESN'T COLLAPSE.
>> A GOOD PROJECT THAT WE HAVE
OBVIOUSLY -- VOTERS HAVE
SUPPORTED IN THE PAST,
LEVERAGING THEM.
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO KNOW
WITH THIS, AS WELL?
>> IT IS MOVING.
>> THAT WAS ONE OF THE CRITICAL
THINGS.
>> I SHOULD ALSO ADD, FOR THE
PUGET SOUND REGIONAL COUNCIL,
WE DO NEED TO OBLIGATE THE
DOLLARS BY JULY 15, SO WE HAVE
A RATIFYING AND CONFIRMED CLAUSE
THE FULL COUNCIL ON MONDAY, AND
I WILL HAVE THIS GOING QUICKLY
ON MONDAY.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK
WILL.>> THANK YOU.
-- BILL.
>>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
>> A PRESENTATION ON COMMUTER
BENEFITS.
>> WE WILL INVITE THE
PRESENTERS FORWARD.
A LONG LIST OF CHALLENGING
QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO THROW
THEIR WAY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> IS YOU GET SETTLED.
THAT START WITH A ROUND OF
INTRODUCTIONS.
>> MY NAME IS NICK ABEL WITH
COMMUTE SEATTLE.
JASMINE MARWAHA, WREN BARULICH
, AND SARAH SPICER.
>> I WILL START.
THEY WILL BE CORDONING ON,
HAVING CONTRACTED WITH COMMUTE
SEATTLE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF
AGO, TO INVESTIGATE THE USE OF
PRETAX TRANSIT BENEFITS, BY
EMPLOYERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY,
INCLUDING SOME RESEARCH
OUTREACH AND SUPPORT TO
BUSINESSES AROUND THE CITY, TO
UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT USE OF
PRETAX TRANSPORTATION BENEFITS,
AND UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE
BARRIERS ARE TO IMPLEMENTING
THOSE PROGRAMS AROUND THE CITY.
AND NOW THAT WE HAVE AN
ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS,
REQUIRING THE USE OF PRETAX
BENEFITS, THEY ARE PLANNING TO
CONTINUE IN A SUPPORTIVE ROLE,
ACCORDING WITH S .-- TRANSFER
THREE.
>> WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE,
OFFERING A PRETEXT DIGIT --
DEDUCTION, TO COVER EXPENSES,
EACH YEAR THE INTERNAL REVENUE
SERVICE SETS THE TOTAL
ALLOWABLE AMOUNT THAT AN
EMPLOYEE CAN DEDUCT, IT IS $265,
THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE
DEDUCTION BE OFFERED TO AN
EMPLOYEE.
BY ALLOWING, THE DEDUCTION, OR
BY SUBSIDIZING ALL OR PART OF
THE PURCHASE, OF A TRANSIT PASS.
THE ORDINANCE APPLIES EMPLOYEES
WORLDWIDE, 20 OF THEM, THE
AVERAGE OF 10 HOURS PER MONTH,
OR 10 HOURS PER WEEK, IN THE
PREVIOUS MONTH, AND THE
ORDINANCE GOES INTO EFFECT,
WITH THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS,
FOR YEAR AFTER GOES INTO EFFECT,
IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY APPLIES A
REMEDY.
MAYBE CLARIFY A FEW THINGS THAT
ARE IN THE LAW, FOR EXAMPLE,
WHAT EXACTLY WILL AN EMPLOYER
NEED TO DO TO BE IN COMPLIANCE
WITH THE LAW, IF THEY SUBSIDIZE
THEIR PASS, WE MIGHT NEED MORE
CLARIFICATION, SO WE WILL BE
DEVELOPING RULES FOR THAT, AND
IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE WORKING
WITH COMMUTE SEATTLE ON THE
OUTREACH AND EDUCATION, COMMUTE
SEATTLE IS TAKING THE LEAD ON
REACHING OUT TO SPECIFIC
BUSINESSES, THE OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS, AND IT'S ONGOING
WORK, AS WE IT'S GOING TO BE
FOLDED INTO OUR BODYWORK WE
PARTNER WITH BUSINESS
ORGANIZATIONS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE
AN ACCESS TO A FULL SUITE OF
RESOURCES, TO COMPLY WITH THE
LAW, THE FOLKS CAN BE IN
COMPLIANCE, THOSE PARTNERSHIPS
WILL BE RELYING HEAVILY ON
COMMUTE SEATTLE IN THE FIRST --
TO MAKE THIS EDUCATION A
SUCCESS.
>> I WILL TURN IT OVER.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE,
ANOTHER COUNCILMEMBER.
>> CLARIFYING HOW TO BEING
COMPLIANCE, IS THAT SOMETHING
THAT YOU THINK THE DIRECTORS
RULES WOULD COVER, OR NEED TO
AMEND IT.
>> WE WILL HAVE MORE
INFORMATION BY THE FALL AROUND
THAT.
>> I AM HAPPY TO EXPEDITE THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT, COMMUTE SEATTLE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY,
THANK YOU FOR THE AMAZING WORK
IN THE CITY.
>> I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE,
NICK, A PRESENTATION ON THE
OUTREACH STRATEGIES IN ORDER TO
EDUCATE BUSINESSES ABOUT THIS
NEW ORDINANCE.
SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF
OVERVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE
ITSELF, AND ITS IMPACT ON
EMPLOYERS.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE
OUTREACH METHODS AND
STRATEGIES, AND GOING TO
CURRENT MESSAGE -- METRICS AND
WHERE OUTREACH IS AT TODAY.>>>
A NONPROFIT THAT -- A STRONG
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY, CONSTANTLY WORKING
WITH THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
SECTOR TO FORM RELATIONSHIPS
AND SOLUTIONS FOR
TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS, TO
OVERCOME THOSE BARRIERS.
SO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHICH
JASMINE WENT OVER, IS $265 PER
MONTH THAT AN EMPLOYEE CAN USE
FOR THEIR TRANSPORTATION COSTS,
VERY SIMILAR TO A FSA OR
FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNT FOR
HEALTH INSURANCE, PUTTING ASIDE
A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR
THE COSTS, A GREAT WAY REDUCING
THE BURDEN OF COMMUTING COSTS,
SAVING ON THEIR TRANSPORTATION
COSTS, EMPLOYERS CAN SAVE ABOUT
EIGHT DOLLARS IN THE FICA TAXES
WITH EVERY $100 THAT AN
EMPLOYEE USES FOR THEIR
TRANSPORTATION COSTS.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A
FEDERAL TAX CREDIT THAT IS
BEING MANDATED INTO THE CITY OF
SEATTLE STARTING IN JANUARY OF
NEXT YEAR, IT WILL BE REQUIRED
OF ALL EMPLOYERS, WITH 20 OR
MORE EMPLOYEES, PROVIDING SOME
KIND OF WAY TO COMPLY, MANY
WAYS TO COMPLY, WHICH IS MY
JOB, TO SPREAD THE INFORMATION
ON THAT.>>> ARE MESSAGING AT
COMMUTE SEATTLE, -- COMMUTE
SEATTLE, WE WORK WITH
BUSINESSES AND BUDGETS OF EVERY
SIZE, THE OUTREACH IS A
MULTIMEDIA APPROACH, WE HOPE TO
GET PEOPLE THE INFORMATION IN
WHATEVER WAY WORKS WITH THEM
BEST, AND ONCE WE ARE TALKING
TO EMPLOYERS, AND THE MARKETING
MATERIAL IS IN HOPES THAT THEY
WILL OFFER PRETEXT COMMUTER
BENEFITS, THE MOST COST NEUTRAL
WAY, AND OFTEN SAVES THE
EMPLOYER MONEY, OR GIVE THEM
INFORMATION TO START A BUSINESS
PROGRAM, JUST IN CASE ANYONE
ISN'T FAMILIAR, SDOT IS THE
REGIONAL TRANSIT PASS . AND THE
WASHINGTON TRANSPORTATION,
SMALL BUSINESS SUBSIDY, AND
THIS IS AN INCENTIVE, 400 OR
LESS EMPLOYEES TO PROVIDE
COMMUTER BENEFITS AT A
SUBSIDIZED RATE, SO THEY GET
50% BACK, A REBATE FOR THE
AMOUNT THAT THEY SUBSIDIZE, SO
IF THEY SUBSIDIZED A 50%
SUBSIDY, THE STATE WOULD ALSO
REBATE THAT AMOUNT THROUGH A
SHORT PROGRAM SURVEY BEFORE AND
AFTER THEY BEGIN, SO THIS IS
OPEN TO ANYONE WHO HAS NEVER
PROVIDED A TRANSPORTATION
INCENTIVE OR SUBSIDY IN THE
PAST.
>> IS THAT BUSINESS SUBSIDY
JUST FOR THE FIRST -- IS IT
ONGOING?
BECAUSE IT WAS EXTENDED
EXTENDED INTO JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
>> IT IS JUST FOR THE FIRST
YEAR OF THE ORCA PROGRAM.
>> IS THAT BUILT INTO THE METRO
PRICING?
I FORGET --
>> IT IS CONTINGENT ON THEM, IT
CAN BE BUILT INTO CERTAIN
CONTRACTS, SOME OF IT IS
PROVIDED AS A REBATE, MONTHLY
RECEIPTS, FOR THE PASSES THAT
THEY HAVE ORDERED.
>> THAT IS GREAT.
>> PEOPLE LOVE TO HEAR THAT,
FREE MONEY.
[ LAUGHTER ] I WILL GO OVER THE
THREE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS ON
OUTREACH, ONE OF WHICH IS A
COMMUTER BENEFITS ORDINANCE
HOTLINE, IN PERSON OUTREACH, AS
WELL AS DIGITAL AND VIDEO
COLLATERAL.
AND THIS IS A BRIEF TIMELINE OF
THE METHODS, BEGINNING IN
FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, MY
COLLEAGUE NICK BEGAN DIGITAL
OUTREACH AS WORLD -- AS WELL AS
DIGITAL OUT WAGE -- OUTREACH,
THE HOTLINE BECAME ACTIVE, JUST
FOR APRIL THIS YEAR, ADDED TO
MARKETING COLLATERAL, WE ARE
DOING IN PERSON OUTREACH,
WEBINARS WILL BEGIN THIS MONTH,
AND WE CONTINUE TO DO OUTREACH,
POST THE EFFECTIVE DATE, IN
COORDINATION WITH THE OFFICE OF
LABOR STANDARDS, AND OFFICE OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
>>> WITH ALL OF THESE OUTREACH
METHODS, WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED
EQUITY ELEMENTS, INCLUDING
CREATING NEIGHBORHOOD AND
INDUSTRY SPECIFIC COLLATERAL,
SO WHEN WE ARE APPROACHING
SOMEBODY IN THE FOOD SERVICE
INDUSTRY, OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
, WE ARE INDIVIDUALIZING IT TO
THEIR NEEDS.
ALSO TARGETING OUR INITIAL
OUTREACH INTO UNDERPERFORMING
NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS IS NOT TO
SAY THAT WE WON'T WORK WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OF DOWNTOWN, BUT
AS FAR AS THE IN PERSON
OUTREACH, WE ARE LOOKING AT
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T
NORMALLY OFFER SOME KIND OF
COMMUTER BENEFIT PROGRAM.
THE COLLATERAL HAS BEEN
TRANSLATED INTO SEVEN DIFFERENT
LANGUAGES, WE WILL CONTINUE TO
LOOK INTO TRANSLATING THEM AS
WELL, AND WORKING WITH THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS TO
GET THE WORD OUT THROUGH THEIR
CHANNELS.
>> ON THE UNDERPERFORMING
AREAS, IS THERE A SPECIFIC
METRIC, OR IS IT EVERYWHERE BUT
DOWNTOWN?
>> WE LOOK AT THE PASSES AND
NEIGHBORHOODS, LOOKING AT WERE
THE MOSTAR COVERS IS AREAS THAT
THE -- HAVE A LOT LESS THAN
DOWNTOWN.
>> GOT IT, YOU CAN GIVE THAT
DATA TO
>>> BY BUSINESS ZIP CODE OR
SOMETHING?
>> WORKING WITH KING COUNTY TO
GET THAT.
>> GREAT.
>>> THE RESEARCH HOTLINE, I
WILL BE THERE FIVE DAYS A WEEK,
EIGHT HOURS A DAY, READY TO
DIRECTLY ANSWER SPECIFIC
QUESTIONS, GENERALLY PEOPLE CAN
FIND THIS ON ALL OF THE
MARKETING COLLATERAL, ALSO
THROUGH EMAILS, AND THE
INFORMATION TO OUR PARTNER
ORGANIZATIONS, GENERALLY PEOPLE
ARE CALLING, THEY WANT TO HAVE
A SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALIZED
CONSULTATION OF HOW TO MAKE A
COMBINATION OF THE PROGRAM, OR
JUST TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT
THE OPTIONS ARE, THEY CAN LAST
ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 30 MINUTES,
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT IT IS
ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
>>> ALSO CREATING A UPDATED
TOOLKIT, PROVIDING A SIMPLE
THREE-STEP PROCESS THAT HELPS
EMPLOYERS KIND OF GET OVER THE
INITIAL CONFUSION OF OFFERING
THE BENEFITS, AND I'M GOING TO
JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH A
LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THIS,
I FEEL LIKE IT IS ESSENTIAL TO
THE PROGRAM, AND THE
CONVERSATIONS, ONE IS TO SURVEY
THEM.
>> AND ASK HIM MUCH THEY ARE
SPENDING ON THEIR
TRANSPORTATION COST.
WHICH ONES WILL WORK BEST FOR
THEIR ORGANIZATION, AND THE
EMPLOYEES NEEDS.
HELPING TO GIVE THE TEMPLATES TO
GIVE THE POLICIES, FROM HR
POLICIES TO HOW TO GET A CARD
REPLACEMENT, MORE IN-DEPTH,
WHAT THE ENROLLMENT PERIOD WILL
LOOK LIKE, AND HOW TO
ADMINISTER THAT.
AND TABLING, THE CONVENTION
CENTER, AND HAVE STARTED GOING
TO NEIGHBORHOODS, LAST MONTH,
TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ON
THE DIFFERENT COMMUTER BENEFITS.
IN THE IMAGE OF THE MARKETING
COLLATERAL SPECIFICALLY FOR
NONPROFITS.
AND GIVE EMPLOYERS THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AN IDEA OF WHAT IS
CURRENTLY BEING OFFERED, A
NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFIC ONE WOULD
HAVE THE MODE OPTIONS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
THE DIGITAL AND VIDEO
COLLATERAL, CREATED STARTING
THIS MONTH WEBINARS, WHAT I
HAVE HERE IS A SCREEN GRAB OF
THE BUSINESS AND OCCUPATION TAX
CREDIT, HE WAS ELIGIBLE, THE
WEIGHT -- THE WAY TO USE THAT
AS AN OPTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO
SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
>> THE TAX CREDIT, IS THAT THE
WSDOT?
>> THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING,
THEY CAN APPLY FOR A TAX CREDIT,
AND THIS IS BACK IN JANUARY OF
THIS YEAR IS THE DEADLINE.>>
GREAT.
>>> SOME CURRENT METRICS, WE
HAVE CONSULTED WELL OVER 100
BUSINESSES, WE ARE CURRENTLY
WORKING WITH THESE LARGE
REPRESENTATIVES, THE RESTAURANT
GROUP, ALSO A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON
THE WEB PAGE JUST FROM THIS
YEAR ALONE, ON THE COMMUTER
BENEFITS ORDINANCE PAGE, JUST
UNDER THREE MINUTES.
AND ALSO --
>> WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM
FOLKS?
>> YOU ALL DID A LOT OF
OUTREACH IN ADVANCE OF THE
LEGISLATION LAST YEAR, I'M
CURIOUS IF YOU'RE HEARING
SIMILAR MESSAGES, OR PEOPLE
SIGNING UP, THEY'RE GOING TO
WAIT UNTIL THE END OF
ENFORCEMENT?
>> YES, PEOPLE ARE REALLY
EXCITED ABOUT THAT, AND HAVING
THE EXTRA PUSH WITH THE WSDOT
SUBSIDY GETS PEOPLE TO TALK
ABOUT THIS IN A WHOLE NEW
LIGHT, IT REALLY FEELS LIKE
THERE IS A PARADIGM SHIFT , AND
PEOPLE WANT TO OFFER BENEFITS,
IS TIME TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS
I WAS SURPRISED BY HOW LITTLE
PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE
TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, HOW
MUCH THEY WANTED TO LEARN,
INFORMATION TO FIGURE IT OUT.
>> THAT IS GREAT.
>> THE LEGISLATION LAST YEAR,
THE BASELINE WAS A REQUIREMENT
THAT YOU OFFER THE TAX BENEFIT,
COST NEUTRAL, OR COST POSITIVE,
DEPENDING ON THE SCALE.
SOME OF THESE TOOLS, THE
REBATE, AND OTHER THINGS, GOING
BEYOND THE CONVERSATION, PRETAX
BENEFIT, AND I WOULD LOVE TO
SUBSIDIZE MY EMPLOYEES.>>
REACHING OUT IN REGARDS TO THE
ORDINANCE, EXCITED TO FIND THAT
THEY ARE QUALIFIED, AND THIS
OPPORTUNITY, IT MAKES SENSE FOR
THEM, A GYM MEMBERSHIP, ONE
YEAR, WE PAY 100%, EMPLOYEES
GET THEM FOR FREE.
KNOWING IN THE SECOND YEAR, WE
DON'T GET THE SUBSIDY,
SOMETHING LIKE PRETAX.
AND SOME CASES, IT ISN'T THE
FIRST CONVERSATION POINT.
>> I WANTED TO ADD, THIS
HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF A
PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUTE
SEATTLE TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE
OUTREACH, WHAT THEY ARE
ACTUALLY PROVIDING HIS
CONSULTATION AND TECHNICAL
ASSISTANCE.
WE CAN PROVIDE EDUCATION ON THE
MANDATE, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO
REFER TO COMMUTE SEATTLE FOR
THAT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
PIECE, SO KEY TO MAKING IT A
SUCCESS.
>> THAT IS OUTSTANDING.
>>> ALSO TO TALK ABOUT NEXT
STEPS, PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO
HAVE THIS CONVERSATION,
CONTINUING OUR WORK, OFFICE OF
LABOR STANDARDS, KEEPING THE
HOTLINE GOING BEYOND THE
EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> PLEASE SHARE THIS ON ALL
CHANNELS THAT YOU FIND
NECESSARY OR IMPORTANT, THANK
YOU.>> THANK YOU FOR THE
PRESENTATION, THAT WAS
OUTSTANDING, THANK YOU FOR THE
OUTSTANDING AND ONGOING WORK,
IT IS EXCITING TO HEAR THAT IT
SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST IT IS
HAVING THE DESIRED EFFECT,
GETTING BEYOND THE TRADITIONAL
AUDIENCE, TYPICALLY THE LARGER
EMPLOYERS DOWNTOWN, REACHING
OUT TO SMALL BUSINESSES, GREAT
TO HEAR THAT THEY CONTINUE TO
BE RECEPTIVE TO THIS IDEA, I
KNOW THAT PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF
WHERE YOU LIVE AND WORK, AS THE
TRANSIT SYSTEM BECOMES MORE
ROBUST, IT CAN BE A COST
BURDEN, THE EMPLOYER
ASSISTANCE, EVEN THE TAX
SUBSIDY, MORE SUBSIDY IS GREAT,
AN OUTSTANDING THING FOR THE
WHOLE CITY, FOR ALL THOSE
THINGS, THANKS FOR THAT WORK.
>> EXCITED TO BE A PART OF IT,
ALWAYS GOING TO USE THE
RESOURCE FOR EMPLOYERS,
COMPLETELY FREE, VERY I WOULD
SAY NON-PRESSURED WAY EXCITING
TO BE A PART OF.
>> NOT TO INTERRUPT THE FEEL-
GOOD, BUT WE HAVE TO THINK
ABOUT THE WORKER SIDE OF
OUTREACH.
BECAUSE COMMUTE SEATTLE IS
BUSINESS DRIVEN, THAT IS TBD.
>> MAKING SURE THIS IS A RIGHT
THAT ALL WORKERS WILL HAVE.
WITH 20 OR MORE, AS WE MOVE
INTO THE NEXT PHASE, NUMBER TO
CALL, EXACTLY.
>> I WANT TO ADD QUICKLY, THIS
WORK HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT, A
GREAT PIECE OF THE WORK TO
SHIFT THE NEEDLE, IN OUR MODE
SPLIT AWAY FROM RELIANCE ON
SOP, AND TO CONNECT PEOPLE WITH
DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION
OPTIONS.
AND SO THE ABILITY FOR COMMUTE
SEATTLE TO WORK ON A BUSINESS
TO BUSINESS WIN-WIN SITUATION,
HAS BEEN -- A GREAT ADDITION TO
THE REST OF THE BUSINESS, AND
THE MAN MANAGEMENT WORK.
THINGS, THAT WILL BE GREAT.
I INVITE COMMUTE SEATTLE IF YOU
HEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE A
CONSISTENT MESSAGE RIGHT NOW,
IF YOU START TO HEAR ANYTHING
THAT IS DIFFERENT, I WOULD LOVE
TO HEAR BACK FROM THAT.
I WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THAT
TO A PROGRAM THAT IS A WIN,
WIN,.
>> THANK YOU,.
>> THANK YOU, ALL.
>>> KELLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
READ IN WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE
LAST AGENDA ITEM?
>> YES.
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE HAVING ANOTHER
PRESENTATION, THIS ONE ON
CONGESTION PRICING.
> I WILL INVITE THE PRESENTERS
FORWARD.
I. WE HAVE AN HOUR LEFT TO TALK
ABOUT CONGESTION PRICING.
THERE IS GOING TO BE GREAT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE A BETTER WAY TO
SPEND AN HOUR OF MY AFTERNOON.
WE MAY NOT SPEND A FULL HOUR
HERE BUT I AM EXCITED ABOUT THE
OPPORTUNITY BEFORE US, THERE IS
AN AREA WHERE THE MAYOR HAS
BEEN A GREAT LEADER FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE AND WE ARE SEEING A
LITTLE BIT OF ACTION AROUND THE
COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD ON
THIS.
AND, I THINK THERE IS A HUGE
OPPORTUNITY AND FRANKLY A LOT
OF CHALLENGES TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL
TO INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND
START THE PRESENTATION AND WE
WILL ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO
THROUGH THAT.
>> GREAT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON I AM KRISTEN
SIMPSON WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION AND I AM
JENNIFER WIELAND WITH NELSON-
NYGAARD.
>> WEARING DIFFERENT HATS IN
DIFFERENT PARTS.
WELCOME BACK, JENNIFER.
>>> WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A
MOMENT TO REFLECT ON THE REASON
YES WE ARE HERE AND THE VALUES
THAT DRIVE OUR WORK.
AND TODAY WE ARE HERE TO SHARE
INFORMATION ABOUT RECENT WORK
RELATED TO CONGESTION PRICING
AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT STEPS ARE
COMING UP NEXT.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THE RESULTS
OF OUR RECENT WORK I WANTED TO
START WITH A BROODER CONTEXT
FOR THAT WORK.
IT IS NO SURPRISE TO ANY OF YOU
THAT SEATTLE AND THE REGION ARE
GROWING AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE
FOR MOVING GOODS AND PEOPLE IS
VERY CONSTRAINED.
CLIMATE CHANGE SAY GROWING
CONCERN AND AS WE HEARD IN THE
COMMENTS, ROAD TRANSPORTATION
GENERATES 66% OF GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS IN SEATTLE.
AGAIN, NOTHING SURPRISING HERE.
CONGESTION IS AN ONGOING
CONCERN.
WE RECNOISE IT HAS IMPACTS
LARGE SCALE AND ON THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO EXPERIENCE IT.
EQUITIES IN WAYS FINANCIALS ARE
DISTRIBUTED AND MAKING IT VITAL
THAT WE THINK ABOUT PRICING IN
THE CONTEXT OF IMPROVING ALL
EQUITY OUTCOMES.
SO, THE --
>> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE LAST
ONE?
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
IS THAT SAYING 15% IS GOING
TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION?
>> YES.
>> OKAY.
>> I SEE.
THE NUMBER SEEMED SMALLER THAN
-- I SEE IT ON THE SIDE IT
TALKS ABOUT LOW INCOME HOUSING
AND THAT COULD BE HIGHER.
>> YES, JUST AN AVERAGE.
>> YES.
>> THE INITIAL PRESSING WORK
THAT WE COMPLETED HAD THE ROOTS
IN THE CITY COUNCIL INTEREST
AND SPECIFICALLY IN OUR
INTEREST.
WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.
IT CAME INTO THE PUBLIC EYE AS
PART OF THE MAYOR'S 2018
CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
THE INITIAL WORK IS INTENDED TO
PROVIDE INFORMATION IN 4 AREAS.
AND A REVIEW AND THE DIFFERENT
TYPES OF THE PRICING TOOLS
AVAILABLE AND AN INITIAL
ANALYSIS OF IMPACTS AND
BENEFITS USING EXISTING DATA,
KNOWING IT WOULD BE A FIRST
PASS AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE
MORE DETAILED WORK TO COME.
SO, LIKE I SAID WE ARE IN THE
EARLY PHASES OF THE WORK.
MANY STEPS AHEAD.
IT IS FITTING THIS GRAPHIC IS
NOT A STRAIGHT LINE.
WE KNOW THAT WE HEARD FROM MANY
CITIES WHO HAVE PRICING IN
PLACE AND ARE CONSIDERING IT
THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP WORKING
ON YOUR PLAN SO YOU HAVE
SOMETHING IN PLACE WHEN THE
TIME IS RIGHT.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STEPS
TO GET THERE.
THE SPECIFIC TIME LINE FOR
IMPLEMENTING REALLY DEPENDS ON
THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
PROCESS THAT WILL BE STARTING
THIS FALL.
WE WILL BE DESIGNING THAT IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEPARTMENT
AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN OUR
PRIORITY THERE IS TO MAKE SURE
ANY PROPOSAL THAT WE PUT
FORWARD HAS ROOTS IN COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT AND ADDRESSES
POTENTIAL PROGRAM ESPECIALLY
FOR LOWER WAGEWORKERS.
AT THIS POINT I THINK I WILL
TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER TO GO
INTO THE DETAILS OF OUR
FINDINGS SO FAR AND WE WILL GO
FROM THERE.
>> GREAT, THANK YOU.
>> I WILL JUST MENTION WE ARE
JOINED BY COUNCILMEMBER SWANTZ.
>> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE
HERE.
I AM FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER.
>> WE ARE GOING TO START OFF
WITH A QUICK REMINDER.
SOME CITIES CALL IT
DECONGESTION PRICING BUT WHAT
IT IS, A STRATEGY TO HELP
ADDRESS CONGESTION AND
EMISSIONS.
IT IS REALLY AT ITS NATURE
ABOUT PRICING CITY STREETS TO
ENCOURAGE ALTERNATIVES TO
DRIVING ALONE, TO INCREASE
RELIABILITY AND TO REDUCE
TRAVEL TIMES WHILE IMPROVING
SAFETY.
RIGHT NOW THE CITY WITH
CONGESTION PRICING PROGRAMS IN
PLACE ARE ALL OUTSIDE OF NORTH
AMERICA BUT I THINK IT IS FAIR
TO SAY THAT THERE IS A RACE ON
ALONG THE WEST COAST TO FIGURE
OUT WHO MIGHT BE FIRST.
NEW YORK IS A LITTLE BIT AHEAD
OF ALL OF THESE WEST COAST
CITIES THAT ARE STUDYING
PRICING AND WE EXPECT THAT NEW
YORK WILL BE THE FIRST U.S.
CITY TO FULLY IMPLEMENT A
PROGRAM.
REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHO WILL
COME AFTER THEM.
AS WE LOOK ACROSS THE CITIES
WHO IMPLEMENTED CONGESTION
PRICING THERE ARE A FEW KEY
THEMES THAT REALLY COME INTO
PLACE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT
CONGESTION OR AREA PRICING
PROGRAMS.
ONE OF THOSE IS THE IMPORTANCE
OF PAIRING IMPLEMENTATION OF A
PRICING PROGRAM WITH SOME SORT
OF TRANSPORTATION DEMAND
MANAGEMENT, IT OFTEN COMES IN
THE FORM OF ADDITIONAL TRANSIT
SERVICE.
CERTAINLY ONE OF THE PURPOSES
OF PRICING IS TO CHANGE
BEHAVIOR.
I DON'T THINK IT SAY SURPRISE
TO ANYBODY THAT A CONGESTION
PRICING PROGRAM CAN ALSO
GENERATE REVENUE.
IT IS NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT
WAY TO RAISE REVENUE.
A LOT LIKE THE WAY THE CITY
USES PARKING PRICING REVENUES
ARE REALLY A BY PRODUCT OF
MANAGING A SYSTEM TO OPTIMIZE
SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
THE REVENUE REALLY IS ACROSS
THE BOARD.
ALL OF THE CITIES WE LOOKED AT
HAVE BEEN USED TO FUND
TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENTS.
SO, THE FIVE CITIES THAT ARE
SHOWN HERE, A COUPLE OF THE
HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WE SEE IN
TERMS OF THE BENEFITS ACROSS
THE BOARD WE SEE A REDUCTION IN
TRIPS, A REDUCTION IN
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS,
INCREASE OR IMPROVEMENT IN
TRAVEL TIMES.
AND THEN AS I MENTIONED
REVENUES ARE A BY PRODUCT.
THEY DO VARY BY CITY DEPENDING
ON THE OVERALL COST TO OPERATE
AND MAINTAIN THE PRICING
PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE SIZE OF
THE AREA PRICED, THE BASE
CHARGE, AND A TPRARITY OF
FACTORS LIKE --
VARIETY OF FACTORS LIKE THAT.
>> UNDER THE REPORTS, 15% NEW
TECHNOLOGY AND 45% AND 75 IS
THAT TWO DIFFERENT BASELINES
THEN?
INITIALLY THEY SAW A
SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION?
>> EXACTLY.
SINGAPORE'S PROGRAM HAS GONE
THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
ITERATIONS.
WHEN THEY IMPLEMENTED IT BACK
IN 1975 THEY SAW A HUGE
DECREASE IN TRIP REDUCTION.
THAT SORT OF LEVELED OFF AFTER
A PERIOD OF TIME.
WHICH TENDS TO HAPPEN IN MOST
CITIES THAT IMPLEMENTED IT.
THEY PUT NEW TECHNOLOGY IN
PLACE, MUCH MORE RECENTLY AND
THAT LED TO ANOTHER 15%
DECREASE.
>> WOW.
>> A FEW MORE WORDS ABOUT
BENEFITS.
WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ON THE
SLIDE.
THE CHART ON THE RIGHT IS FROM
LONDON.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS TRANSIT
USE.
THE LINE IN RED.
STEADILY INCREASING OVER TIME.
AND THESE ARE DIFFERENT PHASES
OF IMPLEMENTATION OF LONDON'S
CONGESTION PRICING PROGRAM.
AT THE SAME TIME, YOU SEE THE
LINE IN YELLOW GOING DOWN.
THAT IS PRIVATE TRANSPORT.
SO, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING LESS OR
PRIVATE VEHICLE USE IS
DECREASING AND TRANSIT USE
CONTINUES TO INCREASE.
BUSINESSES IN LONDON HAVE SEEN
ECONOMIC BENEFITS WITH THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF CONGESTION
PRICING AND IT IS A CONSTANT
THAT PROGRAMS HAVE CHANGED AND
EVOLVED.
ANOTHER KEY PIECE -- AN EXAMPLE
OF THAT IS IN LONDON WHEN THE
PERCENT OF PEOPLE DRIVING
PLATEAUED THE CHARGE WAS
INCREASED THAT IS SIMILAR TO
SINGAPORE AS WELL.
>> WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE
BUSINESSES HAVE SEEN ECONOMIC
BENEFITS CAN YOU SPEAK MORE TO
THAT?
>> SURE.
BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CHARGE
ZONE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN
5%.
SOME OF THE REASONS THEY THINK
IT HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE DRIVERS
ARE REQUIRED TO PAY WHEN THEY
ENTER AND EXIT THE ZONE A LOT
OF FOLKS ARE STAYING WITHIN THE
ZONE TO DO THE SHOPPING AND
SPENDING MONEY LOCALLY.
LONDON HAS SEEN BENEFITS TO
BUSINESSES WITHIN THE PRICED
AREA.
THEY HAVE SEEN GROWTH -- I WANT
TO SAY ABOUT DOUBLING IF I
REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I WILL HAVE
TO GET BACK ON THE SPECIFIC
NUMBER.
BUSINESSES WITHIN THE PRICE
NUMBER WITHIN LONDON HAVE GROWN
FASTER THAN BUSINESSES OUTSIDE
OF THE PRICE ZONE.
>> GOT IT.
SO THAT IS -- THAT IS
FASCINATING.
ACTUALLY CONSISTENT WITH SOME
OF THE OTHER TRANSPORTATION
INVESTMENTS WE MAKE, I IMAGINE,
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WANT TO PUT
IN A BIKE LANE OR A BUS ONLY
LANE AND CONGESTION PRICING A
LOT OF BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE
CONCERN IT WOULD IMPACT AND
THERE IS AN IMPACT BUT IT IS A
POSITIVE ONE THAT MAY BE
COUNTER INTUITIVE.
I SUSPECT THAT -- CURIOUS HOW
FREIGHT IS HANDLED IN VARIOUS
CONGESTION MODELS, TOO.
ONE OF THE PLACES A BENEFIT
FOLKS THAT ARE MOVING GOODS
AROUND THE CITY.
IF CONGESTION GOES DOWN, YOU
KNOW, ONE OF THE TRUCKS HAS TO
BE ON THE ROAD AN HOUR LESS A
DAY THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT
SAVINGS.
MIGHT BE A TOLLING CHARGE BUT
THEY CAN HAVE 9 TRUCK FLEET
INSTEAD OF A 10 STRUCK --
TRUCK FLEET THAT IS A SAVING.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ANOTHER NUMBER FROM STOCKHOLM
THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT IS
A LOT OF BUSINESSES HAVE
BENEFITED BECAUSE THEY HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO MAKE UP TO 25%
MORE DELIVERS.
>> WOW.
>> BECAUSE OF THE PRICING AND
WHAT IT MEANT IN TERMS OF
REDUCED CONGESTION.
>> YEAH.
I GUESS IT SPEAKS TO THE --
THOSE HIGH PRIORITY TRIPS THAT,
AGAIN, I ASSUME ARE MOST
FREIGHT ALSO PAYING THE
CONGESTION PRICE.
>> YES BUT THE OFF SET TO IT IS
SIGNIFICANT I WOULD IMAGINE.
>> AND A LOT WILL PUT A CAP.
MAKING MULTIPLE DELIVERS YOU
WILL HIT A LIMIT IN TERMS OF
WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY NOT
SKYROCKET.
>> YOU ARE CROSSING IN OVER THE
LINE REPORTEDLY OR HOWEVER THE
SYSTEM IS SET UP.
OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
A FEW OTHER WORDS ABOUT
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS.
AS I MENTIONED IT IS PRETTY
CONSISTENT THAT REVENUES ARE
USED TO IMPROVE TRANSIT SERVICE
AND PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR
ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, ONE OF
THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT IN THE
EARLY WORK IS POTENTIAL TO USE
RETCH NEWS TO SUPPORT PROJECTS
AND PROGRAMS THAT CAN REALLY
ADVANCE OUTCOMES THAT CAN
INCLUDE PROVIDES MORE OPTIONS
FOR PEOPLE OFFERING FREE
TRANSIT PASSES, A VARIETY OF
APPROACHES THAT CAN BE TAKEN.
A FEW OTHER NOTES FROM LONDON.
THEY HAVE SEEN FEWER CRASHES AS
A RESULT OF HAVING FEWER
VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AND MAYBE
LESS FRUSTRATION BY DRIVERS.
THEY HAD POSITIVE PUBLIC HEALTH
BENEFITS AS A RESULT OF REDUCED
TAIL PIPE EMISSIONS.
>> THE COLLISION RATE GOING
DOWN 40% THAT IS -- THAT IS
SIGNIFICANT.
IT SURPRISES ME.
CONGESTION IS TRAFFIC
MECHANISM.
BUT THE IMPACTS ARE --
>> ONE EFFORT THING THAT IS
IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN LONDON IS
THAT SOME FOLKS WILL TELL YOU
THAT CONGESTION ITSELF HAS NOT
DECREASED BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
ROAD SPACE HAS BEEN REPURPOSES
FOR DEDICATED TRANSPORTATION
LANES AND IT IS SAFER
FACILITIES AND FEWER CARS ON
THE ROAD.
>> THAT IS GREAT.
>> CAN YOU SEND US, IF YOU HAVE
DONE THAT I WILL CHECK WITH MY
STAFF AND I APOLOGIZE, THE
STUDIES, I AM ASSUMING, THESE
BULLET POINTS FROM STUDIES
CONDUCTED IN LONDON OR
STOCKHOLM OR WHEREVER, IF YOU
COULD SEND THAT TO MY OFFICE I
WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND YOU -- THE QUESTION IF MY
MIND IS CAUSALITY AND YOU
ALLUDED TO IT.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AREAS WITH
FAR MORE SUPERIOR TRANSIT.
THE WAY YOU ARE PRESENTING IT,
IT SEEMS TO SUGGEST THAT
CONGESTION PRICING IS WHAT
WORKS, MAYBE IT HAS AND MAYBE
IT HASN'T.
YOU ARE COMPARING THE APPLES TO
THE ORANGES, THE REASON PEOPLE
DO NOT DRIVE -- THE REASON A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO NOT
DRIVE IN LONDON BECAUSE THEY
HAVE SUPERIOR PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION, I HAVE BEEN TO
MANY OF THE CITIES YOU ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
THAT DATA AS WELL AND THAT
WOULD BE USEFUL TO LOOK AT.
>> WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU
WITH THOSE REPORTS.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF
STUDIES.
AS REVENUES HAVE COME IN FROM
CONGESTION PRICING PROGRAMS
ACROSS THESE CITIES AND WHREFPB
THEY WERE INITIALLY IMPLEMENTED
THE CITIES ARE MAKING
INVESTMENT TPH-S PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION, THEY ARE
INCREASING THE NUMBER OF BUSES
ON THE ROAD, THEY ARE
INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF
SERVICE THAT IS AVAILABLE.
THERE IS A STRONG FOCUS
PROVIDING THOSE OPTIONS FOR
PEOPLE.
AT THE SAME TIME YOU ARE
DISINCENTIVIZING DRIVING.
>> MAYBE YOU HAVE A PRICING
THAT THE MODEL WILL GENERATE IN
DOWNTOWN?
I AM ASSUMING IT WILL NOT BE A
FRACTION OF WHAT WOULD BE
NEEDED TO EXPAND PUBLIC TRANSIT
BY THE PERPORTION THAT WE WOULD
NEED TO ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT IT
WORKS.
AT THIS POINT, THE CUTS TO
METRO RIDERSHIP HAS GONE UP
TREMENDOUSLY.
I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT IT
IS A QUESTION OF, CAN WE
CONVINCE ORDINARY PEOPLE THAT
THERE IS A CLIMATE CATASTROPHE
AT OUR DOORSTEP, PEOPLE GET IT,
PEOPLE ARE MAKING SACRIFICES
FOR IT.
AND I RUN INTO PEOPLE ALL OF
THE TIME THAT IS A I WISH I
COULD ONLY RELY ON PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION EVERY SINGLE
DAY.
I CAN NOT.
I CAN NOT GET THROUGH MY DAY
GIVEN HOW LONG IT TAKES ME TO
GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
CHANGING BUSES OR WHATEVER.
NOT HAVING STOPS CLOSE BY AND
ALL OF THAT.
I THINK THOSE POINTS HAVE TO BE
TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> I THINK YOUR PAINT IS WELL
TAKEN.
WE ARE DIFFERENT FROM LONDON
AND STOCKHOLM AND FROM NEW YORK
CITY AND NORTH AMERICAN COUNTER
PARTS.
WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS LEARN
WHAT WE COULD ABOUT THEIR
EXPERIENCES AND AS WE START TO
DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN OUR
OWN RESEARCH ABOUT TRANSIT IN
SEATTLE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT
THE THINGS WE LEARNED FROM
OTHER CITIES BUT REALLY MAKE
SURE WE ARE UNDERSTANDING THEM
IN A SEATTLE CONTEXT.
.
>>> SO MOVING ON TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT WE LOOKED AT WITH SEATTLE
SPECIFICALLY.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHALLENGES
LIKE CONGESTION, LIKE CLIMATE
CHANGE THERE IS NO SILVER
BULLET.
WE STARTED TO LOOK AT PRICING
WE CAST A VERY WIDE NET AND
REVIEWED 11 TOOLS.
INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT ARE
ALREADY USED IN SEATTLE OR IN
THE REGION.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SEATTLE WE
DO PRICE PARKING ON STREET AND
OFF STREET.
TOOLS LIKE TOLL ROADS ARE
SIMILAR TO HIGHWAY TOLL ROADS
THAT WE HAVE IN THE REGION AND
THEN THE STATE'S PILOT FOR ROAD
USE CHARGE IS SOMETHING THAT WE
HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING PRETTY
CLOSELY.
IS IS A BROOD SET OF TOOLS WE
STARTED WITH.
ONE THING WE DID NOT SPEND TIME
ON IS TECHNOLOGY.
TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BE A
VITAL PART OF IMPLEMENTING ANY
PRICING TOOLS BUT IT IS
EVOLVING RAPIDLY AND IT IS A
LITTLE BIT TOO SOON TO BE
THINKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
WHAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY WOULD
BE RIGHT FOR SEATTLE.
INTEROPERABILITY, THAT IS BEING
ABLE TO TALK TO DIFFERENT
SYSTEMS AND PRIVACY ARE BOTH
GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS AS WE
DO BEGIN THAT WORK.
SO, TO NARROW THOSE 11 TOOLS
THAT I MENTIONED DOWN TO A
SMALLER HANDFUL FOR FURTHER
ANALYSIS WE DID A QUICK
SCREENING OF THEM BASED ON
THEIR POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE
EQUITY, CONGESTION, CLIMATE AND
HEALTH AND IMPLEMENTATION
CONSIDERATIONS.
BASED ON THAT SCREEN WE
SELECTED PRICING, AREA PRICING,
FLEET PRICING AND ROAD USAGE
CHARGING FOR FURTHER STUDY.
AS PART OF THE OUT REACH WE
WILL START IN THE FALL AND
KRISTEN WILL TALK ABOUT THAT?
WE BELIEVE WE WILL HEAR MORE
FROM PEOPLE ABOUT SCREENING
CRITERIA AND LOOK AT THE TOOLS
WE ARE CONSIDERING FOR FURTHER
STUDY.
SO JUST A QUICK WORD ABOUT EACH
OF THOSE FOUR, AREA PRICING ARE
WHAT MOST OFTEN COMES TO MIND
FOR PEOPLE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
CONGESTION CHARGING.
THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR.
THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT
WITH THAT THEY PAY FOR THE
TRIPS WITHIN THE BOUNDARY.
>> IS THE GENERAL CONCEPT IF
YOU MOVE WITHIN THE ZONE EVERY
TIME A CAMERA SEES YOU IT
CHARGES MORE OR THE MORE YOU
MOVE THE MORE YOU PAY?
>> RIGHT.
>> THAT IS THE MOST COMMON
APPROACH RIGHT NOW.
CERTAINLY AS ROAD USE CHARGES,
ADVANCING MORE.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO
CHARGE FOR THE VEHICLE MILES
TRAVELED.
THERE IS TALK ABOUT DWELL TIME
WITHIN A ZONE.
THAT IS A GOOD WAYS OFF.
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO
EXPLORE WHAT TYPES OF TRIPS AND
WHAT IS THE METRIC THAT YOU
USE.
IS IT TIME, IS IT DISTANCE,
WHAT IS THAT?
>> AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE
TECHNOLOGY TO SEE WHAT TOOLS
ARE AVAILABLE AND FIGURE OUT
WHAT IS THE CRITICAL PROBLEMS
WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS.
OR CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE
MAKING THE 6 BLOCK TRIP IN
THEIR CAR AROUND DOWNTOWN OR
CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG-RANGE
COMMUTERS?
WHAT IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE
ARE TRYING TO SOLVE?
. >>> A COUPLE OF THE
OTHER TOOLS OTHERS FLEET
PRICING THAT IS AN APPROACH TO
CONGESTION PRICING THAT COULD
BE IMPLEMENTS AS THE STEP OF A
CORDON OR AREA PRICING.
FLEET PRICING IS TYPICALLY A
LARGE THAT IS APPLIED TO
CERTAIN TYPES OF VEHICLES.
THAT CAN BE FOR-HIRE VEHICLES
LIKE TAXI AND NETWORK COMPANY
VEHICLES.
HIGH EMISSION VEHICLES OR EVEN
AUTONAMOUS VEHICLES.
WHAT ROAD USE CHARGING DOES IS
CHARGING PEOPLE FOR THE TIME
THEY DRIVE.
IT CAN BE USED FOR IF YOU WERE
CHARGED BY LOCATION OR A
CERTAIN TYPE OF DAY FOR
EXAMPLE.
AS WE STARTED OUR WORK TO DO
MORE EVALUATION OF THE IMPACTS
AND BENEFITS THAT WE MIGHT SEE
WE WANTED TO START WITH AN
UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURRENT
SYSTEM.
AND THE PRICING AND ADVANCE
EQUITY.
THE DATA IN THE FIRST PHASE WAS
LIMITED.
WE WERE USING EXISTING DATA.
WE USED DATA THAT IS COLLECTED
BY THE CENSUS BUREAU TO LOOK AT
PEOPLE WHO DRIVE FROM ANYWHERE
IN OUR 4 COUNTY REGION TO
DOWNTOWN SEATTLE FOR WORK, AS
WELL AS DRIVERS WHO LIVE
DOWNTOWN AND DRIVE ELSEWHERE IN
THE REGION FOR WORK.
WE USE THAT DATA TO LOOK AT
IMPACTS BY RACE AND INCOME TO
SEE IF THERE WERE DIFFERENCES
FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION.
OUR INITIAL WORK WAS
IDENTIFYING AREAS OF FURTHER
STUDY BASED ON A PRETTY
UNDEFINED PROGRAM.
AND AS I MENTIONED LIMITED
TRAVEL BEHAVIOR DATA.
WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL WORK
UNDERWAY TO DEVELOP A TOOL THAT
WILL HELP US ESTIMATE MUCH MORE
SPECIFICALLY WHO MIGHT BE
IMPACTED AND BENEFITED.
>> THIS IS AN AREA, WHEN WE PUT
THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET 1 1/2
YEARS AGO, WE WERE HOPING TO
FOCUS ON.
I RECOGNIZE GETTING GOOD DATA
HERE IS CHALLENGING.
THE REASON THAT WAS IMPORTANT
TO ME WAS AS WE MOVE FORWARD
DESIGNING A PROGRAM, AND ALONG
THE LINES OF, I THINK SOME OF
THE QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE
COUNCILMEMBER WAS ASKING
EARLIER, FOR ME FROM AN EQUITY
PERSPECTIVE TO UNDERSTAND WHO
IS CURRENTLY DRIVING DOWNTOWN
AND WHY THEY ARE DRIVING
DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO BE REALLY
IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE A SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW,
AROUND 0% OF THE COMMUTE TRIPS
TO DOWNTOWN ARE STILL IN A
SINGLE OCCUPANCY AUTOMOBILE.
AND, I IMAGINE THAT SOME OF
THOSE PEOPLE ARE JUST LIKE I
HAVE A BUNCH OF OPTIONS AND I
WANT TO DRIVE.
AND FOR THOSE FOLKS -- I FEEL
MORE COMFORTABLE CHARGING THEM.
I IMAGINE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE
DRIVING DOWNTOWN IT IS ALREADY
REALLY EXPENSIVE BUT I DON'T
HAVE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE
OF TIME OF DAY OR LOCATION OR
WHATEVER NEEDS THEY ARE.
AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW,
WHAT PART OF THAT 20% IS IN THE
FORMER CAMP VSES THE LATTER
CAMP AND THEN THERE ARE
PROBABLY DOZENS OF OTHER
SCENARIOS BROUGHT UP.
IT WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR
US TO IMPLEMENT THIS.
I AM CURIOUS, HOW DO WE GET
BEYOND THE HIGH-LEVEL CENSUS
DATA AND DIG INTO IT.
INTERCEPT STUDIES OR SURVEYS OR
WHAT?
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?
>> YOU GO AHEAD?
>> YEAH.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT A
LITTLE MORE.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE SHARED
YOUR FRUSTRATION THAT WE WERE
NOT ABLE TO DO MORE WITH THE
DATA WE HAVE NOW.
WE ARE DEVELOPING A MODELING
TOOL.
GETTING IN GREATER ANALYSIS AND
PARTICIPATE IN THE THIRD ROUND
OF THE PUGET SOUND HOUSEHOLD
SURVEY.
THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME MORE
SAMPLES TO BE ABLE TO USE.
I THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO
BALANCE THE DATA WE CAN COLLECT
AND ANALYZE WITH THE COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT AND OUT REACH SO IN
ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE
NUMBERS WE ARE HEARING PEOPLE'S
STORIES AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT
IT MEANS TO THEM.
WHAT THEIR TRIP NEEDS ARE.
FROM A PERSONAL LEVEL AS WELL
AS FROM AN AGAGROGATE LEVEL MY
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW WE
GET THAT.
THAT IS CRITICAL.
I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE
HARD THINGS ABOUT THIS, WITHOUT
THAT DATA I HEAR PEOPLE PUT IN
THE FIRST CAMP OF MINE.
I HAVE A LOT OF GREAT OPTIONS.
I JUST PREFER DRIVING MY OWN
AUTOMOBILE DOWNTOWN.
WE WILL SAY I DON'T LIKE THE
IDEA CONGESTION PRICING.
I AM OKAY WITH IT.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER
PEOPLE THAT MAY -- AN
UNDERSTANDING HOW MANY OF THOSE
PEOPLE, WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES
AND HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THOSE
CHALLENGES.
THERE IS NO GOOD TRANSIT
OPTIONS WHERE THEY LIVE AND
THEY HAVE TO LIVE WHERE THEY
LIVE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY CAN
AFFORD AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE
THEM OTHER FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO
GET BY OR IF IT IS WE ARE GOING
TO INVEST IN TRANSIT TO SOME
LOCATIONS THAT REALLY POP UP.
WE SEE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN
CHUNK OF THE PEOPLE DRIVING
DOWNTOWN ARE COMING FROM
CERTAIN AREAS LET'S MAKE MORE
TRANSIT INVESTMENTS OR TIME OF
DAY OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> MODELING WORK THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT HAPPENING OVER
THE SUMMER AND OUT REACH WILL
START IN THE VALUE.
NOT TOO FAR AWAY THAT WE WILL
BE ABLE TO GET FARTHERRIER INTO
THAT WORK.
GREAT. >> A FEW
HIGHLIGHTS THEN, OF WHAT WE
WERE ABLE -- FURTHER INTO THAT
WORK.
>> GREAT.
>> A FEW HIGHLIGHTS THEN, OF
WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT.
WE WERE COMING THROUGH THE
CENSUS AND COMMUTES.
30% OF WORKERS WOULD BE
EFFECTED BY A DOWNTOWN PRICING
PROGRAM AND WE USED A PRETTY
GENERAL BOUNDARY FOR THIS.
WE ALSO ASSUMED PRICING 24/7
THAT IS NOT A SYSTEM THAT MOST
ANYBODY WOULD EVER PUT IN
PLACE.
IT IS MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT WE
WOULD LOOK AT PEAK HOUR PRICING
AND WEEKDAY ONLY.
THOSE DETAILS HAVE NOT BEEN
DEVELOPED IN TERMS OF A PROGRAM
DESIGN.
WE LOOKED FIRST AT INCOME.
WHEN WE BREAK SOME OF THIS DATA
DOWN BY INCOME WHAT WE SEE IS
THAT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF
DRIVERS WITH INCOMES OVER
$75,000 A YEAR WOULD BE
EFFECTED BY A POTENTIAL
DOWNTOWN CONGESTION PRICING
PROGRAM.
A LOWER PERCENTAGE OF DRIVERS
WITH INCOMES LESS THAN $50,000
FOR YEAR WOULD BE EFFECTED.
BUT, THAT IS SIMPLY TALKING
ABOUT BEING PRICED.
THAT DOES NOT TELL US ANYTHING
ABOUT THE RELATIVE MAGNITUDE OF
IMPACTS AND COUNCILMEMBER
O'BRIEN WE CAN ASSUME SOMEBODY
WITH HIGHER INCOME CAN PAY THAN
LOWER INCOME.
>> WHY ARE YOU SETTING IT SO
CONDITIONAL.
IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A FLAT
RATE A HOUSE WITH LOWER INCOME
THAT WILL BE A GREATER FOR
PORTION OF THEIR INCOME THAN
FOR A HOUSEHOLD WITH HIGHER
INCOME.
I AM NOT SURE WHY YOU ARE NOT
STAYING DEFINITELY.
MATHEMATICALLY IT WILL BE TRUE.
IT IS NOT A QUESTION.
THERE IS NO AMBIGUITY IN THAT.
>> ONLY SAYING IT BECAUSE WE
HAVE NO PRICE RATE.
>> YES.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME
AMOUNT THEN OBVIOUSLY A GREATER
PROPORTION OF THE LOWER INCOME
WILL BE USED UP THAN HIGHER
INCOME HOUSEHOLD.
I ALSO WANT TO KNOW -- I ALSO
DON'T -- JUST STATISTICALLY
SPEAKING I DON'T FIND
COMPELLING FOR YOU TO SAY
GREATER PROPORTION OF
HOUSEHOLDS OR COMMUTERS, I
DON'T KNOW, REGARDLESS, IT IS
14.7% OF THE WORKERS IS THAT
WHAT IT MEANS?
14.7% OF WHAT?
>> RIGHT --
>> MAYBE YOU SHOULD CLARIFY
THAT BEFORE I SPEAK.
>> SURE.
DATA WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE HAS
BEEN NORMALIZED TO REFLECT THE
DIFFERENCES IN THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT GROUPS
WITHIN THE REGION.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT 14.7%
IT IS 14.7% OF THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE INCOMES GREATER THAN
$75,000 WHO ARE WITHIN THAT
GROUP WHO WOULD BE EFFECTED BY
A DOWNTOWN PRICING PROGRAM.
>> AND IS THE DENOMINATOR THERE
JUST ANYBODY WHO DRIVES
ANYWHERE IN THE REGION?
>> OUR SAMPLE SIZE THAT WE ARE
USING HERE IS THE 13% OF THE
REGION WHO WOULD BE EFFECTED BY
A DOWNTOWN PRICING PROGRAM.
SO THOSE ARE PEOPLE FROM WITHIN
THE FOUR COUNTY AREA WHO ARE 16
AND OVER, WHO DRIVE TO WORK
EITHER DOWNTOWN OR WHO LIVE
DOWNTOWN AND DRIVE TO WORK.
IT IS COMMUTE TRIPS.
>> BUT FOR EACH BAR IS
DIFFERENT YOU ARE USING THAT
INCOME GROUP?
>> IF WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS
OF PEOPLE WITHIN EACH INCOME
GROUP, YES.
THAT IS WHY WE NORMALIZED THE
DATA.
>> THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT
DRIVERS.
SOMEONE WHO TAKES TRANSIT IN
THE REGION WOULD ALMOST NOT
REALLY BE IMPACTED BY THIS AND
NOT SHOWING UP IN THE STUDY AT
ALL, EITHER.
>> NOT IN THIS ANALYSIS.
WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHO
MIGHT PAY OF PEOPLE WHO WERE
DRIVING.
>> YEP.
>> THE --
>> I THINK WE ARE ASSUMING IF
YOU ARE NOT DRIVING YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO BE IMPACTED, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT.
>> I AM INTERESTED IN HOW
INCOME LEVELS IMPACT TRANSIT
RIDERSHIP.
LOWER INCOME ARE HIGHER USERS
OF TRANSIT THEY WOULD BE LESS
IMPACTED BY THIS BECAUSE THEY
WOULD LIKELY BE TAKING TRANSIT?
>> BUT THAT IS WHAT I DON'T
FIND COMPELLING.
BY WHAT WE HAVE HERE THIS DATA
SAYS 14.7% OF THE COMMUTERS OR
DRIVERS, 14.7% OF THE
HOUSEHOLDS MAKE MORE THAN $75K.
RIGHT?
THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID.
>> OF THE GROUP OF 13%, YES.
>> WE ARE ASSUMING THAT.
>> YES.
>> THE 13% OF THE WORKERS.
NOT ALL OF THE WORKERS BUT OUT
OF THAT, 14.7% OF THE
HOUSEHOLDS THAT MAKE $75K OR
GREATER, THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID,
RIGHT?
WILL BE --
>> WHO DRIVE.
>> WILL BE IMPACTED.
YEAH.
>> BY THE CONGESTION PRICING?
>> RIGHT.
>> 13% OF THE WORKERS DRIVE IN
THE REGION BUT NOT ALL OF THEM
WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE PRICING
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALL
DRIVING INTO DOWNTOWN.
>> NO, THAT IS NOT EXACTLY
CORRECT.
13% OF THE WORKERS IN THE
REGION WHO DRIVE INTO DOWNTOWN
WOULD BE EFFECTED BY -- WE ARE
SAYING APPROXIMATELY 13% OF THE
WORKERS WHO DRIVE IN THE REGION
YES.
>> AND THEN WHEN WE NORMALIZE
THE DATA, THAT ENABLES US TO
SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE
DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO
FALL WITHIN EACH OF THE GROUPS
WE WOULD EXPECT THAT
APPROXIMATELY 14.7%,
APPROXIMATELY 14% OF THE PEOPLE
WHO MAKE OVER $75K WHO ARE
WITHIN THAT BUCKET OF 13% OF
DRIVERS WOULD BE IMPACTED.
>> YES.
CORRECT, CORRECT.
>> THIS 15% IS OF THE
HOUSEHOLDS THAT MAKE MORE THAN
$75K.
LET'S NOT DEBATE THE DATA, YOU
ARE VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
THOSE UNDER $50K WILL BE
IMPACTED AND NEARLY 15% OF
THOSE UNDER -- OVER 75K WILL BE
IMPACTED DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM
SAYING?
IT IS NOT LIKE YOU ARE SAYING
2% OF THOSE UNDER $50K WILL BE
IMPACTED AND 15% WILL BE
IMPACTED THERE SAY 3%
DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBERS AND
IT IS NOT THAT COMPELLING, DO
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
NOT THAT DIFFERENT.
>> IT IS TRUE.
IT IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT OF THE
IMPORTANT FINDINGS AS WE LOOKED
AT THIS NATIONAL DATA SET IS
THAT THE RANGE THAT WE WERE
SEEING IS MUCH SMALLER THAN WE
WOULD OF EXPECTED.
WOE WOULD OF -- WE WOULD OF
EXPECT TODAY TO BE GREATER BUT
NOT SEEING THAT IN THIS DATA
SET.
>> RIGHT.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL BE
ABLE TO DO WITH THE MODEL WE
ARE DEVELOPING IS TO TURN
DIFFERENT POLICY DIALS TO SEE
IF WE HAD A DISCOUNT PROGRAM OR
A CAP OR OTHER WAYS OF
ADJUSTING THE PROGRAM DESIGN,
HOW WOULD IT EFFECT DIFFERENT
INCOME GROUPS.
SO, THIS ANALYSIS IS SORT OF
CHARGING EVERYONE EXACTLY THE
SAME, NO CAPS, NO EXEMPTIONS
AND WE WILL THEN LOOK AT THE
IMPACT AND DIFFERENT WAYS WE
CAN ADJUST THE IMPACTS.
>> OKAY.
>> GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
JUST -- I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE
SAID.
I THINK IT IS FORTUNATE LOOK
AT.
CONGESTION PRICING, AS WE
UNDERSTAND IT, IN GENERAL, IS
AN AGGRESSIVE TAX.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FLAT
AMOUNT.
IF IS --
>> YES.
FLAT.
>> YES, I KNOW.
WE HAVE -- YOU HAVE NOT DONE
THAT YET.
YOU ARE SAYING IT IS COMING AND
I WELCOME THAT.
AT THIS MOMENT YOUR SLIDE SHOWS
CREATING AN AFFORDABLE PRICING
PROGRAM AND ALL IT SAYS OF
THESE DRIVERS MORE HIGHER
INCOME PEOPLE -- I FEEL LIKE
YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE MORE OUT
OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN THIS DATA
THAN THERE IS.
BECAUSE IT IS NOT THAT MUCH
DIFFERENT 12%, LESS THAN 50%, I
MEAN THAT IS -- THAT IS NOT
VERY COMPELLING AND THEN ON THE
OTHER HAND FOR A SLIDE
EQUITABLE PRICING PROGRAM YOU
SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER BULLET
POINT THAT SAYS CONGESTION
PRICING, PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING
IS IT IS ACROSS THE BOARD.
IT IS BY DEFINITION IT IS
REGRESSIVE AND YOU CAN NOT TALK
ABOUT EQUITY IF YOU DON'T
RECOGNIZE THAT.
EVEN IF THESE NUMBERS WERE VERY
DIFFERENT MUCH SMALLER
PERPORTION OF HOUSEHOLDS OF
LOWER INCOME WAS IMPACTED, AND
I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS GOOD TO
HAVE THIS BENCHMARK.
WE SHOULD ALLOW OURSELVES TO
THINK LOWER INCOME HOUSES ARE
DRIVING INTO DOWNTOWN.
MAYBE COMPELLED.
I WILL GET TO THAT LATER.
BUT, I THINK ASIDE FROM THAT,
IF YOU ARE GOING TO TITLE A
SLIDE WITH THE EQUITABLE THEN
YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IF WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT A FLAT TAX OR A
FLAT PRICING, WHATEVER.
THEN, IT IS INEVITABLE THAT LOW
INCOME HOUSES ARE PAYING MORE
AND THAT IS NOT EQUITABLE BY
DEFINITION.
I WANT US TO GET OFF ON THE
RIGHT FOOT HERE.
IT IS.
>> I THINK IT IS BETTER TO
SMELL IT OUT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I KNOW -- SPELL IT OUT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I KNOW WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS
I HAD A -- A SIMILAR TAKEAWAY
BUT A DIFFERENT REACTION.
WHEN I SAW THIS IS -- I WAS
SURPRISED AT THE LACK OF
DIFFERENCE.
I THOUGHT THAT IS WHAT THAT WAS
TELLING ME.
IF WE WANT TO WE CAN START WITH
THE A ASSUMPTION AS I THINK YOU
WERE SAYING THAT SIMPLY THAT
THE HIGH INCOME PEOPLE DRIVE
MORE.
>> EACH HOUSEHOLD WILL BE
IMPACTED DIFFERENTLY BASED ON
INCOME.
>> YES.
THE BASELINE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO
DRIVE NOT DOWNTOWN.
MAKING TRANSIT.
THE DATA POINT THAT I THINK
WOULD BE USEFUL FOR ME FOR A
POLICY PERSPECTIVE IS ALL OF
THE PEOPLE THAT COME DOWNTOWN
DURING THE DAY IT CAN BE TO
WORK OR DROP PEOPLE OFF OR
PLAY, THEN LOOKING AT THE
INCOME WHO WILL BE IMPACTED.
THAT WILL START TO CAPTURE, YOU
KNOW, WEALTHIER PEOPLE MORE
OFTEN DRIVE ALONE THAN TAKE
TRANSIT OR WEALTHIER PEOPLE
LIVE CLOSER TO TRANSIT AND TAKE
IT MORE.
SEEING THAT AND HOW IT SPREADS
OUT WILL BE IMPORTANT.
IS THAT DATA THAT WE HAVE AND
JUST DID NOT SLICE IT THAT WAY
OR WE COULD NOT GET TO THAT
WITH THE DATA SET?
>> SO, THE CHALLENGE OF USING
THE CENSUS-BASED DATA IT IS
COMMUTE TRIPS AND DOES NOT
CAPTURE ALL OF THE OTHER TRAVEL
THAT IS IMPORTANT TO FULLY
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS?
WE DID START OUR WORK BY
LOOKING AT THE HOUSEHOLD TRAVEL
BEHAVIOR SURVEY DATA FROM PUGET
COUNTY COUNCIL.
WE TRIED TO SLICE IT AND DICE
IT BUT THE SAMPLE SIZES ARE
SMALL.
THAT IS WHAT KRISTEN WAS
MENTIONING OVERSAMPLE A LITTLE
BIT AND GET BETTER DATA THERE.
THAT INCLUDES ALL TRIP TYPES
NOT JUST COMMUTE TRIPS.
AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASE
HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE MORE
ROBUST DATA AND WE CAN DO
SURVEYS AND OTHER PRIMARY DATA
COLLECTION TO SUPPORT WHAT WE
ARE HEARING THROUGH THE OUT
REACH AND ENGAGEMENT TO BUILD
THAT.
>> OKAY.
>> ARE YOU PLANNING DO PRIMARY
DATA COLLECTION?
I DON'T KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE YOU
MIGHT NEED THAT.
>> WE DON'T HAVE PLANS BUT
BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE ARE
HEARING -- >> YES.
>> I WOULD SAY IT IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE.
WE ARE STARTING OUT WITH WHAT
IS NOT EQUITABLE AND I AM
DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE
SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT IS
INEQUITABLE TO BEGIN WITH.
IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A TAX,
IN MY VIEW NOT AN IDEAL THING,
I APPRECIATE IT THAT YOU HAVE A
SLIDE AND OBVIOUSLY THERE IS
NOT DIRECTED AT YOU, YOU ARE
REPRESENTING THE EXECUTIVE HERE
AND THAT IS TOTALLY -- IT IS
JUST THAT YOU HAPPEN TO BE
SITTING HERE.
I HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY FEEDBACK.
BUT, I APPRECIATED YOU PUTTING
THE SLIDE IN, HIGHLIGHTING THE
DEEPER CONTEXT WE ARE IN BUT IF
WE RECOGNIZE THAT, IT IS
COUNTER INTUITIVE TO THEN HAVE
ALL OF THIS BASED ON AN IDEA
THAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN PROVEN
TO BE INEQUITABLE FOR THE MOST
PART.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT STOCKHOLM
AND OTHERS, IF THEY TELL ME
THEY DID IT IN AN EQUITABLE WAY
I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU
MENTIONED IN TERMS OF DISCOUNTS
AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, I
WOULD URGE YOU, THOUGH, THAT IF
YOU ARE COMING UP WITH A MODEL
THAT TWO MAKE IT EQUITABLE THEN
IT SHOULD NOT RELY ON
HOUSEHOLDS HAVING TO FILL OUT A
FORM OR TAKE SOME STEPS
THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO GET THE
DISCOUNT.
DATA AS YOU KNOW SHOWS
OVERWHELMINGLY THAT OPT IN
PROGRAMS UNDER SUBSCRIBED.
>> I -- THINK, I BELIEVE BASED
ON WHAT I HEARD FROM THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE IS TOP FOR THEM
BUT THE REALITY IF WE ARE GOING
TO PASS SOMETHING HERE IT WILL
HAVE TO BE DEEPLY EQUITABLE.
IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM
ABOUT LOW THEY DO IT, STOCKHOLM
WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEIR
SOCIETY IS SO MUCH MORE
EQUITABLE TO BEGIN WITH.
>> YES.
>> THAT THE RANGE OF INCOMES
WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IT IS, YOU
KNOW --
>> RIGHT.
>> APPLES TO ORANGES
COMPARISON.
>> IT WORKS OUT WELL.
EVERYONE SEEMS TO MAKE THE SAME
AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IN LONDON, I THINK, I THINK THE
ANSWERS THAT I HEARD WAS WELL,
LOWER INCOME PEOPLE TAKE
TRANSIT, WE ARE INVESTING IN
TRANSIT.
BUT THE REALITY, WE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THAT A ASSUMPTION IS
AN OKAY PLACE TO START BUT WE
NEED MUCH MORE DATA.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT
CAN BARELY AFFORD TO DRIVE
TODAY AND NOT DRIVING BECAUSE
THEY HAVE CHOICES AND MAKING IT
HARDER FOR THEM IT WILL BE
CHALLENGING.
>> EXACTLY.
>> YES.
I THINK THE POINT ABOUT ALREADY
THE INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC
TRANSIT THAT THESE CITIES HAVE
DONE PLUS THE FACT THAT THEY
HAVE FAR MORE PROGRESSIVE TAX
SYSTEMS, THE TWO ARE LINKS,
BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROGRESSIVE
TAXES THEY ARE ABLE TO FUND THE
SERVICE TPH-S THE WAY THAT THE
UNITED STATES AS A WHOLE.
BUT THE CITIES LIKE SEATTLE
HAVE FAILED TO DO.
TALKING ABOUT IT NOT ONLY IS IT
MUCH LESS UNEQUAL, OVERALL LESS
EQUAL.
BUT ALSO THAT BECAUSE OF THE
MUCH MORE EQUITABLE TAX SYSTEM
THERE IS -- BY THE TIME THE
CONGESTION PRICING POLICY PUT
IN PLACE THERE HAS BEEN
INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC TRANSIT AS
OPPOSEED TO TELLING PEOPLE
WORKING PEOPLE WHO MAY NEED TO
DRIVE -- SPEAKING --
SPECULATING.
PAY NOW AND GENERATE REVENUES
TO FUND PUBLIC TRANSIT IN A
BETTER WAY SO THAT 5 YEARS FROM
NOW YOU CAN START USING IT.
BUT, THAT IS NOT FAIR.
IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM
SAYING THAT WE HAVE DONE
AMAZING INVESTMENT TPH-S PUBLIC
TRANSIT.
YOU CAN USE IT NOW.
IT IS REALLY UP TO YOU IF YOU
END UP SPENDING MORE ON TOLLING
THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM.
THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
>> AND I THINK IN LONDON IF I
RECALL CORRECTLY.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER,
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
INVESTMENT IN TRANSIT IN
ADVANCE OF THE CONGESTION
PRICING.
THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL MODEL.
WHERE WOULD YOU GET IT, THAT IS
A QUESTION WE WOULD HAVE TO
ADDRESS.
YOU CAN SEE, CLEARLY, YOU WERE
CLEAR, WE DON'T HAVE A PROPOSAL
OR CONSIDERING A RANGE OF
THINGS AND YET WE, THE PUBLIC,
AND POLICY MAKERS WANT TO GET
INTO THAT.
AND SO I DON'T WANT TO JUMP TOO
FAR AHEAD BUT I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE
CONCEPTS COULD ADDRESS SOME OF
THE CONCERNS IS THE PRICE WOULD
NOT BE FLAT BUT IT COULD BE
BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE
VEHICLE.
SO, MORE EXPENSIVE VEHICLE
PAYING MORE THAN AN EXPENSIVE
VEHICLE.
YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THE VEHICLES THAT POLLUTE MORE.
HUMMER MORE THAN A PRIAS.
THERE ARE TOOLS.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT AND THE
IMPACTS.
I THINK CRITICALLY GETTING THE
BASELINE DATA, REALLY
UNDERSTANDING WHO IS USING OUR
VARIOUS SYSTEMS AND WHY THEY
ARE USING THAT.
AND HOW DO WE -- MY GOAL HERE
IS AROUND CLIMATE.
WE HAVE TO REDUCE EMISSIONS AND
GET THEM TO 0.
AND 2 AROUND CONGESTION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN
GET AROUND THE CITY.
IT IS SAYING, IF YOU CHOOSE TO
TAKE TRANSIT, OR CHOOSE TO WALK
OR BIKE I WANT IT TO BE THE
EASIEST, SAFEST WAY TO GET
AROUND.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO DRIVE BECAUSE
FOR A VARIETY OF -- IF YOU LIVE
IN A WORLD THAT IS A CHOICE YOU
TAKE THAT IS OKAY AS LONG AS
THAT MEETS OUR GOALS AND WE
WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT.
>> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE
COMMENTS.
TIES NICELY TO THE WAY WE WILL
CLOSEOUT THE RESEARCH.
SO, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW IN
TERMS OF INCOME WE ALSO LOOKED
AT RACE AND THE STORY IT IS
VERY SIMILAR.
IT IMPACTS -- NOT THE IMPACTS
BUT THE RATE OF PEOPLE WHO
MIGHT BE IMPACTED IF THEY ARE
PEOPLE OF COLOR, WHITES OR
FOLKS THAT DID NOT IDENTIFY OR
WHO CHOSE MORE THAN ONE RACE.
PRETTY SIMILAR ACROSS THE
BOARD.
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS A PLACE
WHERE WE DON'T KNOW THE
MAGNITUDE OF THE IMPACT STILL.
WE DON'T HAVE GREAT DATA, WE
DON'T HAVE THE GREATER FINER TO
BREAK OUT PEOPLE OF COLOR TO
BREAK THEM INTO CATEGORIES.
LOOKING AT EVERYBODY AS A
SINGLE GROUP IS ONE GLIMPSE AT
THE START OF THIS.
SO, WHAT YOU ARE BOTH HITTING
ON IS EXACTLY IN LINE WITH WHAT
WE BELIEVE IS CRITICAL TO BE
ABLE TO DEVELOP AN EQUITABLE
PRICING PROGRAM.
WE ARE FOCUSED ON 3 KEY AREA.
OUT REACH AND ENGAGEMENT.
WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE
WHO WOULD BE EFFECTED, WE HAVE
TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THE
PRIMARY DATA AND UNDERSTAND HOW
PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING.
PROGRAM DESIGN.
IT IS THE SECOND OF THOSE.
AND THAT INVOLVES LOOKING AT
DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHIES, PRICING
LEVELS, TIMES OF DAY, AND
EXEMTIONS AND TRANSIT WOULD BE
A PART OF IT BUT FREE TRANSIT
PASSES, DISCOUNT PROGRAMS, MORE
ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND
BETTER MOBILITY INFORMATION.
OUR GOAL IS TO DESIGN THE
PROGRAM WELL FOR EQUITY OUTCOME
SO THINGS LIKE -- ARE LESS
NECESSARY.
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>> IT REDUCES HOURS AND TRANSIT
HOURS, AND AS IT IS SUGGESTED
KING COUNTY TRANSIT ARE
GENERALLY MORE LIKELY THAN THE
KING COUNTY POPULATIONS TO
HAVE LOWER INCOMES AND IN A
HOUSEHOLD THAT DOES NOT OWN A
VEHICLE OR BE OVER THE AGE OF
55.
THOSE ARE SAMPLE DATA THEY
SUGGEST IMPROVING TRANSIT
SERVICES COULD BE POSITIVE.
AND THEN FINALLY IN TERMS OF
CLIMATE BENEFITS.
SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT MODELED,
YET, AND WE DID SOME QUICK
ESTIMATION OF POTENTIAL
REDUCTIONS IN VEHICLE MILES
TRAVELED AND GREENHOUSE GASES
BASED ON TRIP REDUCTIONS.
SO, WE ESSENTIALLY LOOKED AT
HOW MANY TRIPS MIGHT NOT BE
MADE BY DRIVING TO DEVELOP
THESE ROUGH ESTIMATES.
THE CHART HERE SHOWS A
POTENTIAL VEHICLE MILES, TRAVEL
REDUCTION THAT RANGES FROM 14
TO 17, THAT BASELINE IS WHERE
WE ARE TODAY TO 22-30% IN 2035.
AND THAT IS AGAINST A CONTROL
SCENARIO FOR 2035.
GREENHOUSE GAS FOR THE SAME
SCENARIOS ARE 6-10% FROM THE
BASELINE AND ABOUT 10-13% IN
2035.
SO WE CAN SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT
REDUCTION TPH-S VEHICLE MILES
TRAVELED IN GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS POTENTIALLY.
SO THAT IS A VERY QUICK SUMMARY
OF A FEW OF THE ELEMENTS OF
THEALLY WORK.
KRISTEN WILL TALK MORE ABOUT
WHAT IS NEXT.
>> I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF
THE MATERIAL IN THE NEXT SLIDES
DURING THE QUESTION AND ANSWERS
WE HAD SO FAR.
I WILL GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
AS WE LOOK FORWARD WE WILL
LOOK AT EQUITY AND THE STEPS
MOVING FORWARD STARTING PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT IN THE FALL AND
DOING ANALYSIS ON BENEFITS AND
IMPACTS.
A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE
MODELING COOL.
THAT IS GOING TO LET US ADJUST
DIFFERENT POLICY LEVELS TO SEE
THE RESULTS OF THOSE CHANGES ON
DIFFERENT POPULATIONS.
I AM GOING TO LET US TRY
DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY FOR
EXAMPLES, FLEET TYPES, ANY OF
THE THINGS WE WANT TO ADJUST WE
WANT DIFFERENT OUTCOMES TO BE
THAT IS WORK THAT WE WILL BE
DOING OVER THE SUMMER.
AND THEN THIS -- JUST GOING
BACK TO SORT OF WHERE ARE WE
NOW SLIDE.
THINKING ABOUT DOING ENGAGEMENT
OVER THE FALL, WORKING WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS TO
DESIGN THAT PROCESS SO IT IS
INCLUSIVE AND COMPREHENSIVE.
ESPECIALLY GIVEN ANY POTENTIAL
EQUITY IMPACTS WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THE ENGAGEMENT REACHES
PEOPLE THAT IT IS EFFECTED AND
TAKES IT INTO CONSIDERATION AS
WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> JUST A FEW COMMENTS.
SOME OF THEM JUST TO LOOK AT
THE POINTS MADE.
SOME ADDITIONAL ONES.
IT SEEMS TO ME, YOU KNOW BETTER
BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN STUDYING
THE ISSUE VERY CLOSELY.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE DO NEED
TO DO A PRIMARY DATA COLLECTION
IN ORDER TO GET REAL GUIDANCE
ON WHO IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED.
UNLESS WE FIND A WORK AROUND
WITH EXISTING DATA THAT YOU LET
US KNOW OF COURSE.
I WOULD ALSO HIGHLIGHT THAT
WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS WE ALSO
NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE
FACT THAT BECAUSE OF THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS MORE
AND MORE LOWER INCOME HOUSES.
THIS POINT, MIDDLE CLASS
HOUSEHOLDS THAT USED TO THINK
OF THEMSELVES AS MIDDLE CLASS
ARE ADVERSELY IMPACTED.
FAR FROM YOU ARE PUSHED AWAY
FROM YOUR WORK IS AND GO
DOWNTOWN FACILITY THE MORE
LIKELY IT IS, PROBABLY, I DON'T
KNOW IF THERE IS DATA THAT WILL
SHOW THIS, I WOULD ASSUME THAT
MORE LIKELY TO SEE IF IT IS
DIFFICULT TO TAKE PUBLIC
TRANSIT.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, MAYBE YOU
DON'T HAVE DIRECT ROUTES.
TAKING LONGER AND YOU CAN NOT
AFFORD THAT TIME?
I KNOW OF THE WORKERS THAT COME
TO U-DUB FOR EXAMPLE.
DEFINITELY CAN NOT AFFORD TO
LIVE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT.
LIVE INENT AND SO ON.
THEY DO USE THE SOUND -- WHAT
IS IT?
>> SOUNDER -- TIRED OF SAYING
IT WRONG.
IT HAS VERY LIMITED FREQUENCY.
IF YOU DON'T GO HOME AT A
CERTAIN TIME AND IF YOU THINK
YOU HAVE TO STAY LATE FOR WORK
AND DRIVE IN.
THOSE ARE REAL WORLD PROBLEMS
THAT PEOPLE FACE.
SO, THE FARTHER AWAY THAT YOU
ARE COMMUTING FROM THE MORE
LIKELY YOU WILL BE IMPACTED AND
THAT IS AGAIN BY INCOME BECAUSE
OF THE HOUSING CRISIS.
THE OTHER THING THAT I HEARD A
LOT WHICH I WOULD REALLY URGE
YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
IS CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WHO
COME AND WORK IN MANY OF THE
SITES.
THEY WILL TELL YOU IF THEY TALK
TO THEM AND TALK TO MANY OF
THEM THEY WILL TELL YOU OFTEN
THEY ARE NOT.
DRIVING IS NOT AN OPTION FOR
THEM.
YOU TRAVEL WIH THE TOOLS,
COMMUTE WITH THE TOOLS.
OFTEN THEY GO FROM JOB SITE TO
JOB SITE.
IT DOES NOT WORK OUT FOR THEM
TO DEPEND ON PUBLIC TRANSIT.
THEY WOULD BE DIRECTLY
IMPACTED.
THEY WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY
ARE ALREADY PAYING THROUGH THE
NOSE TO SEE FOR PROFIT FOR THE
GARAGES, ALREADY THEY ARE BEING
EXPLOITED.
IF YOU PUT A TOLL ON THEM ON
TOP OF THAT IT WILL BE BURDEN
SOME AND UNJUSTICE.
AND THE OTHER POINT I WILL MAKE
IS IN TERMS OF WHAT METRIC WE
USE TO DECIDE IF WE ARE -- IF
EXECUTIVES ARE COMMITTED TO
MAKING IT EQUITABLE YOU WILL
HAVE TO DECIDE A MEASURE WHO
PAYS MORE OR LESS.
I DON'T THINK THE CAR, MAKE OF
THE CAR OR THE COST OF THE CAR,
I DON'T KNOW HOW PERFECT OR HOW
GOOD OF AN INDICATOR THAT IS.
A METRIC FOR INCOME I DON'T
KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT.
ECONOMIST I SEE THE PROBLEMS
WITH THE DATA COLLECTION.
THAT IS WHY I DON'T SUPPORT
CONGESTION PRICING IN GENERAL
BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME ALTHOUGH
IT IS POLITICALLY DIFFICULT AS
YOU HAVE SEEN FROM ECONOMIC
STANDPOINT, TAXING BIG BUSINESS
AND THE WEALTHY HOUSEHOLDS IS
THE BETTER ROUTE IN STOCKHOLM
AND ALL OF THE CITIES HAVE DONE
THAT.
IF YOU FOLLOW THEM ON THAT
FOLLOW THEM ON SOMETHING MUCH
MORE SENSIBLE.
REGARDLESSES AND HAVING SAID
THAT AND RECOGNIZE THE DATA
DIFFICULTY.
OFTEN UBER AND LYFT, THEY HAVE
NICE LOOKING CARS, NEWER CARS,
IT IS A NECESSITY FOR THEIR
BUSINESS AND IF THIS KIND OF
CONDITION PRICING WILL FALL ON
THE DRIVERS THEN THAT WILL BE
QUITE NOT EQUITABLE.
I STRONGLY AM FIGHTING FOR
ADVOCATING FOR 0 CARBON GOAL BY
2030.
I THINK THERE ARE FAR MORE --
THAT THEY ARE EQUITABLE AND
JUST AND MORE SENSIBLE MEASURES
TO EXPAND PUBLIC TRANSIT AND I
JUST WANT TO STATE ALL OF MY
CONCERNS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PACHECO.
>> JUST TWO QUESTIONS, HOW DOES
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE RECEIVE
SUPPORT FOR CONGESTION PRICING?
I KNOW YOU ARE NOT THE MAYOR
BUT ...
-- >> SO, WE HAVE
BEEN DOING THIS INITIAL
ANALYSIS WORK BEHIND-THE-
SCENES.
WE WILL BE STARTING OUR
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THE
FALL AND THAT IS WHEN WE WILL
HEAR HOW THE PUBLIC FEELS ABOUT
THIS.
--
>> MY SECOND QUESTION IS --
JUST GOING BACK TO THE OTHER
CITIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED
THE CONGESTION PRICING DID
THOSE PROGRAMS ACHIEVE THEIR
INITIAL OBJECTIVES?
AS I UNDERSTAND IT LOOKING AT
THE POLICY, TO COUNSEL MEMBER
O'BRIEN'S POINT, TO ME T IS TO
RELIEVE CONGESTION AND REDUCE
SINGLE OCCUPANCY TRIPS, BOTH TO
REDUCE CO2 EMISSIONS AND THEN
LASTLY TO RAISE ADDITIONAL
REVENUE FOR TRANSPORTATION AND
INVESTMENTS HOPEFULLY.
WITH THE OBJECTIVE WE ARE DOING
IT IN AN EQUITABLE WAY OR
MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO COMMUNITIES
OF COLOR.
I AM JUST CURIOUS HOW THOSE
OTHER CITIES THAT DID IMPLEMENT
IT HOW -- DID THEY INITIALLY
ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS?
OUTSIDE OF THE CO2 REDUCTIONS
THAT WE SAW?
WHAT ARE THE THINGS --
>> GO AHEAD.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS --
THAT IT IS ZOO I DON'T WANT TO
SPEAK DIRECTLY FOR ANY OF THEM.
ABSOLUTELY YES.
I THINK IN CONVERSATIONS WITH
THEM.
WHAT THEY WOULD TELL YOU IS
THAT THEY DID SEE MOVEMENT IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON THEIR
GOALS WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION
OF THE PROGRAM.
GENERATING THE PROGRAMS THEY
WERE REINVESTING, SAW
CONGESTION GO DOWN AND
EMISSIONS GO DOWN.
SO, YES, BUT WHAT I THINK IS
IMPORTANT ABOUT ALL OF THE
PROGRAMS IS THEY CONTINUE TO
ADJUST AND MAKE REFINEMENTS,
NONE EVER THE CITIES ARE STILL
OPERATING THE SAME CONGESTION
PRICING THAT THEY PUT IN PLACE
A DECADE AGO.
SO, IT IS REALLY A CONTINUAL
PROCESS TO MEET THOSE GOALS AND
TO ENSURE THE BENEFITS THAT ARE
REALIZED AND REINVESTED IN WAYS
THAT ARE EQUITABLE.
>> AND TRANSLATE THAT TO
SEATTLE WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO
BE CLEAR WHAT OUR GOALS AND
HIGHEST PRIORITIES ARE.
YOU MIGHT DESIGN A PROGRAM
DIFFERENTLY IF YOUR HIGHEST
PRIORITY WAS EMISSIONS VSES
STREET SPACE AND CONGESTION
VSES ANY OTHER GOALS THAT YOU
MIGHT IDENTIFY.
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC
CONVERSATION.
>> COLLEAGUES I APPRECIATE THE
ENGAGEMENT ON THERE AND WORK.
THERE WILL NEED TO BE A LOT OF
COMMUNICATION WITHIN THE
COMMUNE OáEUT THIS AS WE
CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
-- COMMUNITY ON THIS AS WE
CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
JENNIFER, I THINK YOU MENTIONED
IN THE BEGINNING IT IS NOT A
TERRIBLY EFFICIENT WAY TO
COLLECT REVENUE.
IF WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT
REVENUE, WE WOULD DO IT ANOTHER
WAY.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN
YOUR MOUTH BUT THE GOAL IS TO
BUILD A TRANSIT SYSTEM AND WE
WANT TO RAISE REVENUE
CONGESTION PRICING WOULD NOT BE
THE TOOL.
WE WOULD USE SOMETHING ELSE AND
WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO THAT.
>> THAT NEEDS TO BE THE GOAL.
YES.
ú>> BUT WE ALSO SEE THAT
REDUCING CONGESTION AND FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE, AT LEAST, THE
VARIOUS MODELS I HAVE SEEN
GETTING TO OUR CLIMATE GOALS.
IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE HOW TO DO
THAT WITHOUT A TOOL LIKE
CONGESTION PRICING TO CHANGE
THE BEHAVIOR AND USE THE
AUTOMOBILE.
DOING THAT IN A WAY, I THINK,
OUR VALUES ARE PRETTY ALIGNED
HERE.
BUT IT IS REALLY HARD UNTIL WE
KNOW WHO IS USING IT.
I WANT TO REITERATE THAT.
>> RIGHT.
YES.
EXACTLY.
I THINK YOU.
>> I THINK CONGESTION PRICING
BY ITSELF VSES CONGESTION
PRICING COMBINED WITH WORLD
CLASS MASS TRANSIT, THERE ARE
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
>> YEP, YEP.
>> AND SO, THE BUDGET 1 1/2
YEARS AGO.
I CAN NOT REMEMBER WHAT THE
NUMBER WAS.
THEN, I KNOW, THERE WAS MORE
MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
IS THIS THE REPORT OF JUST A
BUDGET AMOUNT FROM 1 1/2 YEARS
AGO?
AUGMENTED WITH MONEY FROM LAST
YEAR'S BUDGET?
WE CARRY TODAY FORWARD TO
RESTART THE MODELING WORK.
>> YES.
>> AND SO IS THAT MILLION
DOLLARS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGE
SET THAT BEING USED IN
CONGESTION PRICING FROM HERE ON
FORWARD?
>> WE WILL USE A LITTLE BIT OF
THAT TO FINISH THE MODELING
WORK AND THEN DEVELOP A WORK
PLAN AND BUDGET FOR THE OUT
REACH AND ENGAGEMENT AND FOR
FUTURE ANALYSIS WORK GOING
FORWARD.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKING IT IS NOT
ALL GOING TO BE SPENT THIS
YEAR.
>> WE HAVE BEEN VERY FROOGLE.
>> AND WE WON A BLOOMBERG
AWARD.
>> YES.
>> IT WAS LESS ABOUT DOLLARS
BUT MORE ABOUT SUPPORT.
ALTHOUGH IT WAS SUPPORT IN
TERMS OF DOLLARS.
HAS THAT BEEN HELPFUL ON THE
MODELING WORK?
OR FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET IT
AND MAKE IT USEFUL FOR US?
>> WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE
AWARD WAS FOR CONGESTION
PRICING AS WELL AS BUILDING
ENERGY WORK.
SO, WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON
WHAT THE SCOPE OF BOTH OF THOSE
WOULD LOOK LIKE.
>> OKAY.
>> GREAT.
>> AND THEN I AM REALLY
INTERESTED IN HOW WE CAN GET AS
ROBUST OF DATA FOR THE QUESTION
THAT I ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES
TODAY.
POSSIBLE PRIOR TO BUDGET THIS
YEAR, GETTING A SENSE OF THE
MODELING WORK AND WHAT IT WILL
TELL US.
IF WE HAVE ALL OF THE
INFORMATION AND GREAT
INFORMATION THAT IS GREAT, I
CAN IMAGINE THAT SCENARIO IN
THE MODEL BUT WE DON'T HAVE
GREAT DATA TO PUT INTO THE
MODEL F. WE NEED TO DO MORE
SURVEY WORK OR COMING UP WITH
PIGGYBACKING ON THE DATA AND
WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW OR CREATE
OUR OWN THING I WOULD LOVE TO
CONSIDER WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE
FOR GETTING A ROBUST DATA SET
AS WE GO INTO BUDGET THIS YEAR
AS OPPOSEED TO WAITING ANOTHER
YEAR.
SO, I WILL REITERATE THAT MORE
FORMALLY, I WOULD THROUF GET
THEM FEEDBACK BY SEPTEMBER TO
SEE WHERE THEY ARE TO INFORM
THE BUDGET WORK GOING INTO THE
FALL.
>> THAT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE
TIME LINE, THANK YOU.
>> GREAT.
>> COLLEAGUES?
>> ONE POINT I FORGET, I
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE USEFUL, ANY
CONGESTION PRICING CONCERNS, IS
DISABLED COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
ABILITY TO USE METRO ACCESS
VEHICLES OR ANY OTHER OPTIONS
IS LIMITED ADMITTEDLY AT THIS
POINT.
A LOT OF DISABLED COMMUNITY
MEMBERS ARE FORCED TO DRIVE.
I THINK THAT HAS TO BE AN
IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS
WELL.
>> THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
>>> SO, I GUESS I WAS NOT
JOKING WE SPENT AN HOUR TALKING
ABOUT CONGESTION PRICING, THAT
IS OUTSTANDING.
CLEARLY AN AREA OF HIGH
INTEREST AND CONCERN.
I AM EXCITE ABOUT IT AND VERY
CONCERN ABOUT IT AT THE SAME
TIME.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ONGOING WORK
AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT
CONVERSATION.
COLLEAGUES THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD
OF THE ORDER?