>> THE DECEMBER 17, 2020
MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE
WILL COME TO ORDER.
IS 9:33 , WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
CALL THE ROLE.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND ALLIS.
>> HERE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS .
>> HERE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MORALES.
>> HERE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT
>> COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD .
>> HERE.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME TODAY.
THE COUNCIL RULES ARE SILENT ON
ALLOWING REMOTE MEETINGS AND
ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION.
TO ALLOW THIS COMMITTEE TO
CONDUCT BUSINESS REMOTELY THE
COUNCIL RULES WILL NEED TO BE
SUSPENDED.
ON TODAY'S AGENDA, HEARING NO
OBJECTIONS THE COUNCIL RULES
ARE SUSPENDED.
ON TODAY'S AGENDA WE WILL HEAR
A PRESENTATION FROM COLEAD, WE
WILL HEAR A FOLLOW-UP
DISCUSSION ON THE SUBPOENA
LEGISLATION WE DISCUSSED LAST
WEEK IN COMMITTEE.
AND WE WILL VOTE TODAY ON THAT
SUBPOENA LEGISLATION AND
FINALLY WE WILL HAVE A
DISCUSSION CONCERNING OPTIONS
TO AMEND THE CROWD CONTROL
WEAPONS ORDINANCE DEVELOPED BY
THE OPTIONS IT DEVELOPED BY OUR
POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS
CONSISTENT WITH OUR REQUEST IN
JUNE CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCE
ITSELF.
WE WILL NOT APPROVE OUR AGENDA
FOR COMMITTEE MEETING.
IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION
TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE ADOPTED.
HEARING NO OBJECTION, TODAY'S
AGENDA IS ADOPTED.
AT THIS TIME WE WILL TRANSITION
INTO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE
OPEN THE COUPLE PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD I ASK EVERYONE TO BE
PATIENT AS I LEARN TO MODERATE
THE SYSTEM.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WILL BE
MODERATED IN THE FOLLOWING
MANNER.
EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN TWO
MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I WILL CALL ON EACH SPEAKER BY
NAME AND IN THE ORDER IN WHICH
THEY HAVE REGISTERED ON THE
COUNCIL WEBSITE.
IF YOU HAVE NOT REGISTERED TO
SPEAK AND WOULD LIKE TO DO SO
YOU CAN SIGN UP BEFORE THE END
OF THE PUBLIC HEARING BY GOING
TO THE WEBSITE.
THIS LINK IS LISTED ON TODAY'S
AGENDA.
ONCE I CALL A SPEAKER'S NAME
YOU WILL HEAR A PROMPT, ONCE
YOU HAVE HEARD THE PROMPT YOU
NEED TO PRESS STAR SIX TWO
UNMUTE YOURSELF.
PLEASE BEGIN SPEAKING BY
STATING YOUR NAME AND THE ITEM
ON THE AGENDA WHICH YOU ARE
ADDRESSING.
SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN
10 SECONDS LEFT OF THEIR
ALLOTTED TIME.
ONCE THE SPEAKER HERE'S THE
CHIME WE ASKED YOU BEGIN TO
WRAP UP YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IF THE CHRIS DID NOT AND THE
PUBLIC COMMENTS SPEAKERS
MEGAPHONES WILL BE COMMUTED
AFTER 10 SECONDS TO ALLOW US TO
CALL ON THE NEXT SPEAKER.
ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT WE ASK YOU
DISCONNECT FROM THE LINE.
IF YOU PLAN TO CONTINUE
FOLLOWING THIS MEETING PLEASE
DO SO VIA THE SEATTLE CHANNEL
OR THE OPTIONING'S ON THE
AGENDA.
WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE
INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WILL CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER
TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ANDY.
I'M SORRY, THAT IS ANGIE.
>> I JUST TRIED A MEETING
AGAIN.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?'S BUT WE CAN
HEAR YOU.
>> NAME IS ANGIE, I AM FROM
BALLARD AND I'M COMMENTING ON
THE LEAD PROGRAM.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING
TODAY'S PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW
THEY HAVE ADAPTED THEIR
SERVICES DURING SUCH A
CHALLENGING PERIOD.
I APPRECIATE THE FRONT-LINE
WORKERS DOING THE PHYSICAL A
NUANCED WORK.
LEED EXPANDED TO BALLARD OVER
TWO YEARS AGO IN SUMMER 2018.
AS STATED IN THE ESSENTIAL
PRINCIPLES ON THE WEBSITE, IT
IS NOT A HUMAN SERVICES
PROGRAM, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND
ORDER PROGRAM THAT USES HUMAN
SERVICES TOOLS.
WITH A CLEARLY ARTICULATED GOAL
OF WORKING IN STRONG
PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY.
THEY ALSO STAY COMMUNITY
MEMBERS SHOULD RECEIVE REGULAR
INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM
ITS SUCCESSES AND OBSTACLES TO
EFFECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION AND
THE OPERATIONS SHOULD BE
TRANSPARENT.
THIS ISN'T HAPPENING IN BALLARD
AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC
TRANSPARENCY TO LEARN IF IT'S
HAPPENING IN OTHER
NEIGHBORHOODS.
PLEASE RAISE THIS AS A PRIORITY
IN YOUR DISCUSSION TODAY AND
MOVING FORWARD.
WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY FRAMEWORK
AND ACCOUNTABILITY THE SEATTLE
HAVE FOR EFFECTIVE UNITY
REPRESENTATION IN LEED AND
OTHER FORMS OF ALTERNATE ARE
POLICING, WHO IS INVOLVED IN
THE WORKGROUPS, BASED ON CITY
COUNCIL ACTION WE NO LONGER HAVE
THE COMMUNITY PLEASE TEAM OR
NAVIGATION TEAM WHO IN THE PAST
WERE ACCESSIBLE TO COMMUNITY
TIPS AND QUESTIONS AND A FOLLOW-
UP ON CHRONIC ISSUES OF
SUFFERING A HEART.
L.E.A.D.
DOES NOT HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF
DOING THIS IN BALLARD AND NO
CLEAR FRAMEWORK FOR IT MOVING
FORWARD.
ROLE AND THE PATENTABILITY
METRICS COUNCIL HAS SEEN DO NOT
ORTIZ PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY,
EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION
CHANNELS, NOR ANY COMMUNITY
SAFETY METRICS OR OUTCOMES.
L.E.A.D.
IS CONSISTENTLY PRESENTED AS A
NATIONALLY SUCCESSFUL AND
EVIDENCE-BASED MODEL.
PLEASE BE COGNIZANT OF HOW
LOCAL COMMUNITY'S ARE NOT BEING
REPRESENTED AND CHANGE THIS
TRAJECTORY SO WE CAN DEVELOP
SCALABLE MODELS OF PUBLIC
SAFETY WITH BEST PRACTICES
CITYWIDE.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ANGIE.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ERIC
SALINGER.
>> HOPEFULLY I AM UNMUTED.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> WE CAN.
>> ERIC SALINGER, DISTRICT 7.
I'M CALLING ABOUT THE
LEGISLATION TO GIVE OPA
SUBPOENA POWER.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS
ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION ALTHOUGH
I THINK OVERALL IT'S GOING IN A
GOOD DIRECTION.
THE FIRST CONCERN IS THAT FROM
WHAT I WAS ABLE TO READ, YOU
ARE GOING TO ALLOW OPA TO
SUBPOENA OFFICERS ONLY IN LINE
WITH UNION CONTRACT
NEGOTIATION.
SO I, A PRIVATE CITIZEN CAN BE
SUBPOENAED BY OPA BUT IF I WAS
A POLICE OFFICER I MIGHT NOT BE
ABLE TO.
IF I WAS IN A DEPARTMENT I
GUESS I COULD BE SUBPOENAED BUT
FRANKLY YOU COULD DO THAT BY
GOING TO AN OFFICER AND SAYING
IF YOU PENSION YOU HAVE TO BE
SUBPOENAED IF NEED BE.
THE SECOND REASON I AM CALLING
ABOUT THIS IS SPECIFICALLY
RELATED TO AN OPA INVESTIGATION
2020 OPA 00 70.
IN THE INVESTIGATION SEATTLE
POLICE OFFICER HIT A PARKED CAR
AND LIED ABOUT IT.
THERE WAS VIDEO WHICH
CONTRADICTED THIS, BUT THE
SERGEANT INVESTIGATING THIS, TO
BORROW A TERM, HELD THE LINE.
HE REVIEWED THE EVIDENCE WITH
THE OFFICER, AHEAD OF THE
MEETING.
HE SHOWED IT TO HIM.
THEY HAD AN OFF THE RECORD
CONVERSATION.
THEN HE INTERVIEWED A MEETING
WITH THE OPIATE SUPPORT FOUND
QUESTIONS LIKE YOU DIDN'T HIT
THAT CAR, DID YOU?
THE OPA HAD PROBLEMS WITH THIS
AND DISCIPLINE THE OFFICER
INVOLVED BUT DIDN'T DISCIPLINE
THE SERGEANT WHO WENT TO BAT
FOR THE OFFICER.
AND DIDN'T SUPPLY THE DETECTIVE
WHO ASKED THE LEADING QUESTIONS
IN THE INTERVIEW.
THIS IS KIND OF A PATTERN HERE.
THE OPA HAS FIRED, HAS
RECOMMENDED FIRING THE SAME
NUMBER OF OFFICERS THIS YEAR IN
LINE WITH LAST YEAR DESPITE
FRANKLY MUCH MORE BLATANTLY
PUBLIC POLICE MISCONDUCT.
13,000 PEOPLE FILED OPA
COMPLAINTS ABOUT GETTING MACED
AND NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ERIC.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVID
HAYNES.
DAVID, ARE YOU WITH THIS?
YOUR PRESENT.
GREAT.
DAVID, YOU ARE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
PRESS STAR SIX.
>> HELLO, CITY COUNCIL.
DAVID HAYNES.
WE HAVE ROAD RAGE DRUNK DRIVERS
AND NO TRAFFIC COPS ENFORCING
THE SPEED LIMIT IN UPPER QUEEN
ANNE AND ELSEWHERE.
BECAUSE COPS ARE EITHER AT
METROPOLITAN MARKET OR WHOLE
FOODS MAKING OVERTIME
MOONLIGHTING AS SECURITY GUARDS
IN COP UNIFORMS PAID BY
TAXPAYERS.
PIOUSLY PROFILING ME AS A
CRIMINAL EVERY TIME I GO TO THE
GROCERY STORE.
PROVING WE STILL HAVE
UNQUALIFIED TO FIGHT REAL CRIME
COPS WASTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS
TRAINING COPS TO WORK FOR
PRIVATE AND PUBLICLY TRADED
WALL STREET CORPORATIONS WHO
ARE PICKING ON ME AND OTHERS IN
ONCE ASSAULTED ME AND HAVE A
VIDEO.
NOW, WHEN I LEAVE THE GROCERY
STORE AND COME BACK TO UPPER
QUEEN ANNE THERE IS THIS ROAD
RAGE THE DOESN'T EVEN STOP AT
THE STOP SIGN AT THE FARMERS
MARKET IN THE SUMMER.
PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BEEN
UNDERMINED BY THE MAYOR AND THE
CITY COUNCIL, SABOTAGING POLICE
REFORM, PUTTING UNQUALIFIED
INTERIM CHIEF IN CHARGE WHO
SHOULD BE FIRED FOR UNDERMINING
SPECIAL TEAM UNITS WHILE
KEEPING TWO THIRDS OF THE COPS
WHO CAN'T, WON'T, OR DON'T HAVE
QUALIFICATIONS TO RESPOND TO
911 CRIME.
YET COPS ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE
PLENTY OF RESOURCES DEPLOYMENT
DURING PEACEFUL EMPLOYMENT
PROTEST MISHANDLED PURELY.
PUBLIC SAFETY AND HUMAN
SERVICES ARE A JOKE AND THE
COUNCIL CHAIR SHOULD RESIGN
FOR RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR
EVIL CRIMINALS PRIORITIZED
COUNCIL CREATED A RACIST POLICY
THAT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST
INNOCENT HOMELESS PEOPLE SUCH
AS MYSELF.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES A PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WILL MOVE ON INTO THE ITEMS
ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.
PLEASE READ ITEM NUMBER ONE
INTO THE AGENDA.
UR UNMUTE.
>> NUMBER ONE.
COLEAD PRESENTATION.
>> FANTASTIC.
I AM THINKING FIRST BEFORE WE
LAUNCH INTO IT I HAVE A FEW
OPENING REMARKS, MAYBE WE COULD
GO AROUND AND DO A QUICK
INTRODUCTION, JUST YOUR NAME.
AND YOUR AFFILIATION AND THEN I
HAVE A FEW OPENING REMARKS AND
WE CAN DIVE INTO THE
PRESENTATION.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO START?
JESSE IF THAT IS YOU YOU ARE
UNMUTE.
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT.
GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY, DEPUTY
DIRECTOR AND JUST CARE AND
COLEAD L.E.A.D..
>> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
I NAME IS TABATHA DAVIS I AM
THE OPERATIONS MANAGER.
>> RAMON.
>> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS RAMON HERNANDEZ,
>> THANK YOU, RAMON.
>> GOOD MORNING I'M OUTREACH FOR
COLEAD.
>> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE MY
NAME IS VICTOR LOO, WE ARE ONE
OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
PARTNER WITH PDA.
>> THANK YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS
KEIRA DEARBORN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> AND THEN WE DO HAVE DR.
KATHERINE BECKETT OUR
RESEARCHER.
I AM NOT SURE IF SHE WAS QUIET
ON THE CALL YET.
>> I AM HERE.
>> WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU.
>> I AM DR. KATHERINE BECKETT,
AND AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
WASHINGTON I AM DOING RESEARCH
WITH AND ON JUST CARE WHICH I
WILL SPEAK ABOUT IN A FEW
MINUTES.
>> GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GREAT TO HAVE EVERYBODY WITH US.
AND, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE
THAT YOU ARE VERY GENEROUS WITH
YOUR TIME CONSIDERING WE HAD
ORIGINALLY PLANNED THIS
PRESENTATION IN SEPTEMBER BUT
WERE UNABLE TO HOLD IT.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE HOW HAPPY I
AM THAT L.E.A.D.
HAS AT LAST EXPENDED TO SEATTLE
AND IS TAKING AN ACTIVE ROLE IN
CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY
MEMBERS IN MY DISTRICT.
AND JUST SOME BACKGROUND ON
RECENT ACTIONS THE COUNCIL HAS
TAKEN REGARDING L.E.A.D..
BACK IN NOVEMBER 2019 THE
COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION
31916 STATING THAT THE CITY
INTENDS THAT L.E.A.D.
OPERATE AT SCALE BY 2023 .
SCALE MEANING APPROPRIATE
FUNDING TO ACCEPT ALL PRIORITY
QUALIFYING SOCIAL CONTACT
REFERRALS CITYWIDE.
THIS SUMMER THE COUNCIL PASSED
A PROVISO, A BUDGET PROVISO TO
AFFIRM THAT L.E.A.D.
WILL ACCEPT COMMUNITY REFERRALS
IN ADDITION TO REFERRALS FROM
INFORMALLY APPROVED BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
AND THOSE COMMUNITY REFERRALS
DO NOT HAVE TO BE PROCESSED BY
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
DURING THE 2021 BUDGET PROCESS
THE COUNCIL PASSED A STATEMENT
OF LEGISLATIVE INTENT
REQUESTING A REPORT BY AUGUST 20
2021 ON THE DEMAND FOR A COST
ASSOCIATED WITH TAKING CITYWIDE
DIVERSION PROGRAM TO SCALE BY
2023.
WITH THE INTENT THAT THAT
REPORT WOULD HELP INFORM OUR
NEXT YEARS BUDGET DECISIONS.
OUR PRESENTERS ARE HERE TODAY
TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE
ADAPTED THE L.E.A.D.
MODEL FOR THE COVID ERA THROUGH
COLEAD AND JUST CARES, THESE
ARE NEW MODELS.
BECAUSE WE DID HEAR SOME OF
THIS MATERIAL RECENTLY IN A
SELECT COMMITTEE ON
HOMELESSNESS, I AM HOPING THAT
WE WILL HAVE OUR FOCUS TODAY BE
NEW MATERIAL, MAYBE FOCUSING ON
THE EVALUATIONS OF THE WORK
DONE UNDERWAY AND LESSONS
LEARNED THUS FAR.
I KNOW OUR PRESENTERS HAVE A
LOT TO SHARE IN THEIR 20
MINUTES.
SO I REQUEST THAT, IF POSSIBLE
A NUMBERS HOLDER QUESTIONS
UNTIL THE END OF THE
PRESENTATION AND WE ARE GOING
TO HOLD A 10 MINUTES AT THE END
FOR Q&A.
IF THAT IS OKAY WITH EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
JESSE, KICK US OFF.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD . THANK YOU FOR HAVING
US.
BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.
WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SHARE
MY SCREEN, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE
SEES THE SLIDE UP, I WILL GET
THE AUDIENCE BACK TO MY CAMERA.
IT SAYS JUST CARE.
CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME A THUMBS UP
THAT YOU SEE THE POWERPOINT,
WONDERFUL.
THINK YOU SO MUCH.
I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT JUST CARE AND WERE GOING
TO SPEND A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME
TALKING ABOUT THE COLEAD MODEL
OF CARE THAT WE HAVE
IMPLEMENTED AND THEY JUST CARE
FRAMEWORK AND AFTER WE DO THAT
WE WILL TALK ABOUT LESSONS
LEARNED, COMMUNITY RESPONSE AND
THEN DR. KATHERINE BECKETT WILL
TALK ABOUT SOME LEARNINGS
TODAY.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NOT ENOUGH
TIME FOR A FULL EVALUATION, BUT
WE HAVE SOME THINGS TO SHARE
OUT.
SO, JUST CARE IS THE NAME OF
PROVIDING JUST CARE IN TERMS OF
A NEW MODEL OF JUSTICE, WE ARE
NOT ENFORCEMENT, WE ARE NOT
DISPERSEMENT AND WE ARE NOT
ABANDONMENT.
THOSE THREE THINGS WILL COME UP
DURING OUR TALK TODAY.
THE JUST CARE FRAMEWORK INVOLVES
ENTERING TREATMENT SERVICES
PROGRAM PLAYING A KEY ROLE AT
THE FRONT END, YOU HEAR ME USE
THE WORD -- SHORTHAND FOR THE
SPECIFIC AND CHEMISTRY OF WORK
THAT IN INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT
AND PIONEER SQUARE, THE TWO
NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW THAT
JUST CARE HAS BEEN FUNDED TO
WORK IN.
WE HAVE HANDLED THE FRONT END
ASSESSMENT BASED ON A LOT OF
RELATIONSHIPS THEY HAVE WITH
PEOPLE LIVING OUTSIDE AND
BUILDING MORE RELATIONSHIPS
WITH PEOPLE AS THEY GO OUT
THERE.
ARE OPERATIONAL PARTNERS IN
BRINGING FOLKS INSIDE FOR THE
PURPOSES OF TODAY, WE ARE USING
A RESPONSE, THAT IS THE ONE WE
HAVE IMPLEMENTED IN THIS
FRAMEWORK.
WE ARE WORKING WITH COUNSELING
SERVICES WHO ARE STAFFING ONE
HOTEL AND COLEAD AT PDA AND WE
HAVE FOUR HOTELS WE ARE WORKING
WITH THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
THE KIND OF TARGET POPULATION,
WHICH IS JUST ESSENTIALLY FOLKS
LIVING OUTSIDE THAT HAVE MORE
SIGNIFICANT MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES OF VERSUS LESS
SIGNIFICANT MENTAL HEALTH IS
SORT OF HOW WE DECIDE WHICH
ORGANIZATION FOLKS WILL GO TO.
IN SEATTLE IS DOING A SPECIFIC
TARGET ON NATIVE AND INDIGENOUS
INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE TWO
NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ARE GOING TO DO A QUICK
OVERVIEW BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT
FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
WE CALL THE COLEAD MODEL OF
CARE.
WE HAVE BEEN IMPLANTING THAT
HERE SINCE APRIL.
THAT IS AN ADAPTATION AND COVID
RESPONSE AN ADAPTATION OF THE
L.E.A.D.
MODEL AND THAT HAS LENT ITSELF
TO BOTH SEATTLE AND ACRS FOR
THEIR MODEL.
I'M GOING TO HAND OVER TO MY
WONDERFUL COLLEAGUE RAMON
HERNANDEZ TO TALK A LITTLE
ABOUT WHAT THE CO-LEAD MODEL OF
CARE IS.
AND AFTER THAT TABATHA DAVIS
WILL TALK ABOUT LESSONS
LEARNED.
OVER TO YOU, RAMON.
>> THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
CO-LEAD IS A COMMUNITY CASED
BEAR COMMUNITY BASED RESPONSE.
ESSENTIALLY WE ARE DEALING WITH
A LOT OF POPULATIONS FROM THE
ENCAMPMENTS ENCOUNTERING THEM
WHERE THEY ARE AT.
A LOT OF FOLKS EXPERIENCE
SIGNIFICANT HISTORY WITH
SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER.
OR MENTAL HEALTH.
WE ARE HOUSING, WE ARE LODGING
FOLKS, BASICALLY FOLKS ARE OUT
THERE URINE FECES AND BLOOD.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
IT'S PRETTY CHAOTIC IN THAT
ENVIRONMENT.
SO WE PLACED THEM IN LODGING
AND WE ARE GIVING THEM A CHANCE
TO STABILIZE.
YOUR CONNECTING THEM TO
SUPPORTS THAT ARE NOT, THEY'RE
NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT FOR A LOT
OF REASONS, MENTAL HEALTH CARE
OR WHETHER IT'S MEDICAL,
PROVIDING THEM WITH PRIMARY
CARE PROVIDERS SO THEY CAN
BEGIN TO STABILIZE.
A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ARE NOT
ADDESSED.
SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE THINGS WE
ARE FINDING IS FOLKS WHO HAVE
HAD ISSUES WITH SHOPLIFTING TO
SUPPORT SUBSTANCE ABUSE
DISORDER ARE NOW BEING PUT IN A
PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE
MEDICAL ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT
WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO BE KIND OF
COUNSELED OR COACHED AND TALK
TO.
USE EVIDENCE BASED TRAINING
WHICH IS HARM REDUCTION
APPROACH, SO OUR PARTICIPANTS
CAN BEGIN TO PROCESS THINGS AND
STABILIZE AND THAT THEY ARE ABLE
TO BE GROUNDED IN THESE HOTELS
OR LODGING THAT WE HAVE FOR THEM
. WITH THAT I WILL PASS IT OVER.
>> THANK YOU, RAMON.
COUNCIL, COLLEAGUES AND GUEST,
EVERY DAY I MEET PARTICIPANTS
WHERE THEY ARE AT.
CO-LEAD IN THE WAY WE OPERATE
IS ACCEPTANCE OF INDIVIDUAL AS
A WHOLE PERSON.
THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN BY PUTTING
PEOPLE IN JAIL, I DON'T EVEN
THINK WE WOULD HAVE A
PRESENTATION HERE IF ALL WE DID
WAS PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL AND THEY
WOULD COME BACK OUT WITH THE
SAME PROBLEM.
THIS IS EVERY SINGLE DAY, WE GO
TO WORK, WE DEAL WITH, I MEAN,
I APPROACH IT WITH WHAT
L.E.A.D.
MEANS TO ME IS LET EVERYBODY
ADVANCE WITH DIGNITY.
WE MEET CLIENTS WHERE THEY ARE
AT, WE USE MOTIVATIONAL
INTERVIEWING.
WE SUPPLY WHATEVER THE NEED IS
AT THAT TIME.
AND WE ARE REFORM BUILDING
ALSO.
WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS WHAT
HAPPENS IS WHEN WE FOCUS ON WHY
WE DO WHAT WE DO, LIKE WHY DO I
GO MEET SOMEBODY WHO IS, A
LITTLE STORY, A PARTICIPANT
THAT GOT CAUGHT WITH A NEEDLE
IN THE ROOM AND THEY WERE SO
JUDGMENTAL, THEY WERE SO AFRAID
OF GAINING KICKED OUT OF
HOUSING.
THIS PERSON SAID, I AM A
DIABETIC.
THAT'S WHY HAVE NEEDLES.
BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
SO CRIMINALIZING THIS,
CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE WHETHER
IT'S ADDICTION, HOMELESSNESS,
WHATEVER, IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN
USED TO.
THEY HAVE BEEN DISCONNECTED,
DISENFRANCHISED WHICH LEADS TO
A LOT OF DISAPPOINTMENT.
AND THEY FIRST COME INTO THE
PROGRAM WHAT HAPPENS IS IT
TAKES A WHILE.
WE THINK, THAT'S THE NORMAL
APPROACH, OR GOING TO TACKLE
THE PROBLEM AND EVERYTHING IS
GOING TO BE OKAY.
BUT THAT'S NOT IT.
THIS MOTIVATIONAL INTERVIEWING,
NAVIGATING THROUGH SYSTEMS,
SITTING DOWN WITH THEM, IT'S
LIKE A PEER TO PEER MODEL WHERE
EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PLAYING
FIELD.
I WANT TO END IT WITH THIS, WE
ARE SO USED TO PUTTING PEOPLE,
WE ARE SO USED TO CRIMINALIZING
THEIR BEHAVIOR BASED OFF OF
ECONOMIC LEVELS AND SURVIVAL
SKILLS, BUT JUST IMAGINE THIS
PRESENTATION WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF
ALL WE DID WAS PUT THEM IN JAIL
AND LET THEM BACK OUT.
SO WE APPLY A BUNCH OF
DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES THROUGHOUT
THE DAY THROUGHOUT THE WEEK AND
THROUGHOUT THE MONTH.
AND WE STAY CONSISTENT WITH
DOING IT WITH DIGNITY.
>> THANK YOU.
TABATHA DAVIS IS GOING TO TALK
ABOUT SOME OF OUR EARLY LESSONS
LEARNED.
I KNOW WE ARE PROBABLY SHORT ON
TIME.
AFTER TABATHA WE WILL HAND IT
TO VICTOR LOO .
>> ALL RIGHT, FANTASTIC.
WITH SOME OF OUR EARLY LESSONS
LEARNED, THE LODGING LIAISON IS
PRETTY KEY AND INSTRUMENTAL. WE
HAVE FOUR HOTELS THAT CO-LEAD
IS WORKING IN RIGHT NOW.
THAT HOTEL LIAISON ROLE IS
REALLY ABOUT RESPONDING AND
RESPONDING TO AND RESOLVING
ISSUES THAT COME UP.
AND DOING THAT IN A WAY THAT IS
MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AND SUPPORTS
REALLY KIND OF SEEK THREE KEY
GROUPS.
THE CO-LEAD STAFF THAT MIGHT BE
THERE, THE PARTICIPANTS AS
WELL, AND THAT IS ALSO OUR
HOTEL STAFF AND PARTNERS.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE ARE
ABLE TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE OF
OUR TEMPORARY LODGING
AGREEMENT.
IT IS AN AGREEMENT THAT IS
SIGNED BY ALL OF OUR
PARTICIPANTS BEFORE THEY RECEIVE
KEYS TO THEIR NEW ROOM.
BUT IT REALLY KIND OF LAYS OUT
OUR EXPECTATIONS BUT ALSO
MIRRORS SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN
THERE.
ALSO THERE IS KIND OF SOME OF
THE RULES AND THAT KINDS OF
THING. AND SO THAT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE
TECHNIQUES WE USE, HARM
REDUCTION AND THINGS OF THAT
NATURE.
BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE
THAT WHILE THOSE TECHNIQUES ARE
USED FOR DAILY ENGAGEMENT, IT
DOESN'T MEAN THERE AREN'T
BOUNDARIES.
RIGHT?
AND SO THE TEMPORARY LODGING
AGREEMENT ALLOWS FOR US TO
MAINTAIN BOUNDARIES AND
COMPLIANCE AND ADHERENCE TO
THOSE THINGS WHERE NEEDED.
WE ALSO FOUND, AND DR. BECKETT
MAY TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, WE
ALSO FOUND THAT PROVIDING MEALS
AND SUPPORTING FOOD INSECURITY
IN THAT WAY WAS SUPER HELPFUL.
IT IS REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT
TO HELP PEOPLE TO STABILIZE
WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
FOOD.
AND SOME OF OUR HOTELS THERE ARE
FULL KITCHENS.
IN SOME THERE AREN'T.
OUR HOTEL PARTNERS HAVE BEEN
GREAT ALLOWING US TO USE WAVES
IN A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS.
ANOTHER THING I REALLY WANT TO
MAKE SURE I HIT ON IS DIVERSITY
OF OUR STAFF.
AND SO, WE ARE VERY INTENTIONAL
IN THE MAKEUP OF OUR STAFF.
WE REALLY TOOK THE TIME TO VALUE
ACADEMIC EXPERIENCE ALONG WITH
DEEP LIVED EXPERIENCE AS WELL.
MANY OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS HAVE
A COMBINATION OF DEGREES AND
CERTIFICATES.
THEY ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH
HOMELESSNESS, BEING CONNECTED
TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
QUITE HONESTLY, MANY OF THE
SYSTEMS AND PROGRAMS THAT WE
NOW ARE CONNECTING OUR
PARTICIPANTS TO. THAT HAS
HELPED US, YOU KNOW, REALLY A
LOT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE ABLE
TO CREATE A DEEP CONNECTION
BECAUSE YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND
WHAT THE PARTICIPANT IS GOING
THROUGH, IT CREATES MUTUAL
RESPECT AND YOU ARE ABLE TO
ENGAGE IN THE EFFECTIVENESS OF
TRYING TO SET GOALS AND
STABILIZE AND THAT SORT OF
THING STARTS TO REALLY HAPPEN
MUCH DEEPER AND MUCH FASTER.
SO, IT'S REALLY, REALLY COOL.
THAT THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER
THINGS ON HERE, I DON'T WANT TO
RUN OUT OF TIME.
>> YOU PROBABLY NEED TO WRAP
UP.
>> IT SO HARD TO DO THIS IN THE
AMOUNT OF TIME.
>> YOU ARE DOING GREAT.
>> THANK YOU.
SO WE HAVE AMAZING MEDICAL
PROVIDERS, ON OUR STAFF, SHE IS
ALSO ON CALL.
SHE IS THE ONE WHO CHECKS IN
WITH ALL OF OUR PARTICIPANTS.
AS THEY ARE COMING INTO THE
PROGRAM.
SHE COVID TESTS THEM.
EVERYONE MUST BE COVID TESTED
WITHIN 24 HOURS. SO SHE MANAGES
ALL OF THAT.
WOUND CARE.
A LOT OF THESE FOLKS HAVE NOT
SEEN A MEDICAL PROVIDER IN
MONTHS OR EVEN YEARS.
AND SO SHE WALKS WITH THEM
THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF GETTING
CONNECTED TO A PRIMARY CARE
PHYSICIAN.
WE HAVE ALSO CALLED HER TO
COUNCIL WITH HER WHEN THINGS
COME UP.
HAVING HER ON STAFF HAS BEEN A
GAME CHANGER.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HARM
REDUCTION TECHNIQUES.
>> I THINK WE ARE GOOD.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
TIME FOR VICTOR.
I'M SORRY.
I THINK WE WILL GO NEXT TO
TIARRA DEARBONE.
AND THEN WE WILL TOP IT OFF
WITH VICTOR.
AND THEN HANDED OFF TO DR.
BECKETT.
>> THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
A LOT OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING
IS SPENDING TIME COMMUNICATING
WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS,
BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY
MANAGERS. AND AS WE ALREADY
KNOW THERE HAS BEEN AN
OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF CONCERN
AND DESIRE TO ADDRESS CONDITIONS
NEEDED TO ENCAMPMENTS OF
UNSHELTERED PEOPLE.
LIVING OUTSIDE BUSINESSES OR
PARKS OR OTHER PUBLIC OR
PRIVATE SPACES.
I HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTING THE
EXPERIENCES OF THESE
ORGANIZATIONS IN ORDER TO
IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE OUR
RESPONSES.
WHEN COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE
AND ORGANIZATIONS THERE HAS
BEEN OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR
THIS APPROACH.
COMMUNITY MEMBERS DO WANT SOME
SORT OF RESPONSE, ONCE THEY
LEARNED THERE IS AN EFFECTIVE
AND COMPASSIONATE APPROACH,
THEY NOT ONLY HAVE EXPRESSED
SUPPORT BUT SUGGESTED WAYS IN
WHICH THEY CAN VOLUNTEER, SHARE
INFORMATION WITH OTHERS AND
ADVOCATE FOR EXPANSION OF THIS
WORK.
AS WE ALL KNOW THERE IS GREAT
NEED OUT THERE.
SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
HAVE EXPRESSED THIS ARE THE
DOWNTOWN SEATTLE ASSOCIATION AN
ALLIANCE WITH PIONEER SQUARE.
RANIER SQUARE RESIDENTS COUNCIL.
INTERIM CDA WHO IS EXPENSING
THE EFFECTS OF THE JACKSON AND
KEVIN.
PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND A
NUMBER OF BUSINESSES IN PIONEER
SQUARE AND CHINATOWN
INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT AS WELL
AS OTHERS ACROSS THE CITY WHO
HAVE A DESIRE FOR SUCH A
RESPONSE IN THEIR AREAS BUT WE
ARE NOT YET ADDRESSING BECAUSE
WE ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY FOCUSED.
SO FAR WE HAVE DONE 112 HOTEL
PLACEMENTS. THAT IS 23 FROM
COURTHOUSE PARK, 21 FROM 2nd
AVENUE EXTENSION.
TWO FROM OCCIDENTAL PARK, 57
FROM JACKSON AND NINE FROM
BETTY PARK.
THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR MORE
SCHEDULED FOR COURTHOUSE PARK
BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.
THAT IS ALL FOR ME.
THANK YOU.
>> GREAT.
I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO VICTOR
REALLY QUICK TO TALK BRIEFLY
ABOUT THE ACRS APPROACH AND
THEN WE WILL HANDED OFF TO DR.
BECKETT.
>> MORNING EVERYONE.
AGAIN MY NAME IS VICTOR, ASIAN
COUNSELING AND REFERRAL SERVICE.
I'M HAPPY TO BE PART OF THIS
PROCESS ALONG WITH PDA AND THE
PARTNERS ON THE SLIDE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR
IT'S A SERVICE ORGANIZATION.
THE WORK WE DO AT JUST CARE, WE
ARE A LICENSED BEHAVIOR HEALTH
PROVIDER THAT CAN PROVIDE
MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE
ABUSE.
MODEL OF CARE WE ACTUALLY
PROVIDE RIGHT NOW IS A
MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAM.
ALMOST EVERY ONE OF US ON THE
JUST CARE ACRS HAS EITHER LIVED
EXPERIENCE OR LICENSED
CLINICIAN.
I'M GOING TO DO A VERY QUICK
WALK-THROUGH OF THE MODEL OF
CARE WE PROVIDE.
WHEN WE RECEIVE A REFERRAL TO
THE TREATMENT SERVICES PROGRAM,
THE CLIENTS ARE BEING
TRANSPORTED TO OUR SIGHT.
USUALLY THROUGH UBER.
OR LYFT.
WHEN THE CLIENTS GET TO THE
HOTEL, THE FIRST THING THEY
RECEIVE IS THEY WILL GET A
WELCOME GIFT BAG WITH
TOOTHBRUSH, TOOTHPASTE,
NONALCOHOLIC MOUTHWASH AND
ESSENTIAL ITEMS.
WHY DID I DESCRIBE THE GIFT BAG?
I WANTED TO SAY THE MODEL OF
CARE STARTS WITH A CARING
APPROACH.
THE CRITICAL PART IS TO TREAT
AN INDIVIDUAL WHETHER TO
SHELTER THEM WITH DIGNITY,
RESPECT AND COMPASSION.
TO ME THAT IS THE FORMULA TO
ADDRESS SOCIAL HEALTH AND
HOLISTIC HEALTH.
AND UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUAL LIKE
EVERY ONE ELSE IF YOU THINK
ABOUT IT CAN BE OUR BROTHER,
SISTER, PARENT, OR OTHER.
WHICH IS WHY IT'S SO CRITICAL
TO DO THAT.
BEYOND THAT, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
AND SOCIAL DETERMINANTS I
DESCRIBED, WE ALSO HAVE A
PSYCHIATRIC NURSE PRACTITIONER
ON SITE THAT PROVIDES SERVICES
AND WE ALSO HAVE ABILITY TO LINK
THEM TO SUBSTANCE TREATMENT.
CLIENT TO ARRIVE AT A SITE WILL
BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A COVID-19
TEST WITHIN 24 HOURS AS A
SAFETY MEASURE.
AND IF THE CLIENTS HAVE THE
ABILITY TO WORK, WE WILL LEAVE
THEM TO SUPPORTED EMPLOYMENT.
ALL THIS HAPPENS ON SITE.
WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN PHARMACY.
WE ARE ABLE TO ARRANGE FOR
MEDICATION WHEN THEY NEED THAT.
WE ALSO PARTNER WITH PUBLIC
HEALTH TO ASSIST WITH NEEDLE
EXCHANGE PROGRAM AS WELL AND
COVID-19 TESTING IS ARRANGED
WITH PUBLIC HEALTH AS WELL.
IT'S A VERY QUICK SNAPSHOT OF
THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE.
I WILL TRY TO END THIS WITH TWO
CLIENTS WE SERVE, WHICH INSPIRE
ME TO DO THIS WORK.
I HAVE BEEN ADMINISTRATOR OF
ACRS FOR MANY YEARS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN CLINICAL
SERVICES FOR MANY YEARS.
BUT I AM SO HAPPY THAT I AM
ABLE TO DO THE OVERNIGHT SHIFT
PROBABLY TWICE PER WEEK TO DO
CLINICAL SERVICES.
WHY DID I CHOOSE TO DO THAT?
THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL, A
WOMAN WHO IS ACTUALLY STAYING
AT THE BUS STOP. SHE HAS NO
PLACE TO GO.
WHEN I LEARNED THAT I KNEW IT'S
SOMETHING WE HAVE TO ACT RAPIDLY
TO ASSIST THIS INDIVIDUAL.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE I WILL GIVE YOU
IS WHEN ACRS WAS ONLY ACCEPTING
REFERRALS EVERY OTHER DAY
BECAUSE WE STARTED NOVEMBER 1
ESSENTIALLY, THE RAPID
IMPLANTATION AS OF TODAY, WE
HAVE 39 CLIENTS ON SITE.
WE ARE ONLY RECEIVING REFERRALS
EVERY OTHER DAY AT THE
BEGINNING TO EASE OUR WAY IN
AND UNDERSTAND THE WORKFLOW.
I GOT A CALL IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE NIGHT, AND INDIVIDUALS TENT
WAS COMPROMISED AT THE IN
CAMERA.
IF IT WAS ME IT WOULD BE NEAT
LOSING ANYTHING I OWN
OVERNIGHT.
ON THAT NIGHT I MADE A DECISION
THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE
REFERRALS EVERY WEEKDAY.
SINCE THEN IT HAS BEEN A
WONDERFUL PARTNERSHIP TO
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE CLIENTS
THAT WE CAN PROVIDE CARE FOR.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT
, THERE ARE MULTIPLE STORIES I
CAN TELL YOU.
THOSE ARE STORIES THAT REALLY
INSPIRE ACRS AND HER STAFF TO
CONTINUE TO DO THIS WITH OUR
PARTNERS.
THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, QUICKLY HANDING IT OFF
TO DR. BECKETT.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
SO MY NAME IS DR. KATHERINE
BECKETT, WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF
WASHINGTON.
I AM WORKING WITH A TEAM OF
FOLKS THAT INCLUDES FOUR PHD
STUDENTS IN SOCIOLOGY AND
RESEARCH SCIENTIST TO DO THIS
WORK.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE
ARE CONCEPTUALIZING WHAT JUST
CARE IS AND HOW THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM LANDSCAPE.
WE SEE IT AS COMMUNITY CASED
RESPONSE MODEL AND ADDRESSING
UNLAWFUL BEHAVIOR COMMITTED BY
PEOPLE WHO ARE CONTENDING WITH
EXTREME POVERTY AND BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH ISSUES.
THE GOAL IS NOT ONLY TO REDUCE
THEIR CONTACT WITH POLICE AND
THE CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM BUT
ALSO TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY.
AS YOU HAVE HEARD, JUST CARE IS
TRAUMA-INFORMED AND PROVIDES
MEDIUM TO LONG-TERM CARE IN A
NONCOERCIVE MANNER AND IS
CONSISTENT WITH HOUSING FIRST
MODEL.
THAT IS HOW WE ARE
CONCEPTUALIZING WHAT JUST CARE
IS.
NEXT SLIDE.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SET UP
A KIND OF CONVENTIONAL
EVALUATION APPROACH HERE IN THE
SENSE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A
COMPARISON GROUP.
TO COMPARE OUTCOMES.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS A MENTAL
EVALUATION AND THIS IS A TYPE
OF EVALUATION THAT IS
APPROPRIATE AND ONE IS STUDYING
AN INNOVATION THAT IS NOVEL,
NEVER TRIED BEFORE AND THE GOAL
IS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND
INFORMATION TO STAKEHOLDERS IN
REAL TIME IN WAYS THAT ALLOW
THEM TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHERE
APPROPRIATE TO THE MODEL.
SO THAT IS HOW WE ARE
APPROACHING THIS WORK.
WE ARE VERY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE
OF DATA COLLECTION.
WE BEGAN WITH CO-LEAD, YOU CAN
ADVANCE AGAIN, WE BEGAN WITH CO-
LEAD IN THE SPRING AND SINCE
JUST CARE HAS EMERGED WE
DECIDED TO CONTINUE ON AND MAKE
SURE WE ALSO COLLECT DATA ABOUT
THE JUST CARE MODEL AND
PARTNERS THAT COMPRISE IT.
I WON'T SAY ALL OF THESE THINGS
BUT IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF
WHERE WE ARE WITH THE DATA
COLLECTION PROCESS.
I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A DEEPER
UNDERSTANDING OF CO-LEAD AT
THIS POINT AND ITS WORK. WE ARE
IN THE MIDST OF ARRANGING TO DO
INTERVIEWS WITH ACRS AND CHIEF
SEATTLE PARTICIPANTS AND
STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL.
WE ALSO PLAN TO INTERVIEW
COMMUNITY HERKNERS, THE PEOPLE
THAT TIARRA DEARBONE MENTIONED
THEY ARE WORKING WITH TO
UNDERSTAND THEIR EXPERIENCE
WITH THE PROGRAM AND HOW THINGS
HAVE CHANGED IN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ARE VERY MUCH MIDSTREAM.
WE DON'T HAVE FINDINGS TO
PRESENT YET.
ONE MORE SLIDE.
MAYBE IT'S TWO.
IF YOU GO ONE MORE.
I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY TO
SUMMARIZE THE QUALITATIVE
FINDINGS TO DATE, AGAIN THESE
ARE PRELIMINARY, WHICH IS THAT
WE ARE VERY MUCH IMPACTED I
WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM
PARTICIPANTS THAT FOR THEM THIS
IS ENTIRELY NOVEL.
MANY HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT OF
JAIL THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, HAVE
TRIED OTHER KINDS OF DIVERSION
PROGRAMS, BUT FOR THEM WHAT IS
AMAZING AND UNIQUE AND
TRANSFORMATIVE ABOUT THE JUST
CARE MODEL IS THAT THE NON-
EMPHASIS ON COMPLIANCE AND
SANCTIONS AND PUNISHMENTS.
THEY ALSO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT
THE CO-LEAD OUTREACH RESPONDERS
TO HAVE BEEN HIRED AS PART OF
THIS DIVERSE TEAM ARE UNIQUELY
SITUATED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
úTHEY ARE GOING THROUGH.
THEY HAVE SHARED LIVED
EXPERIENCE IN MANY CASES.
THEY EXPERIENCE THE CARE THE
PROVIDERS GIVE IN A DIFFERENT
WAY AND IS EXTREMELY MOTIVATING
TO MANY OF THEM.
OF COURSE THERE ARE STILL VERY
SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES THAT
MANY OF THEM HAVE TO ADDRESS.
BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR AT THIS
POINT IN THE DATA COLLECTION
PROCESS THAT THIS IS NOT
SOMETHING THEY HAVE ENCOUNTERED
BEFORE AND THAT THEY REALLY
VALUE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE
CARE THEY ARE BEING PROVIDED.
THEY HAVE NEVER FELT QUITE THE
SUPPORTED TODAY.
AND HAPPY TO SAY MORE IN THE
Q&A.
THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU.
REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
GENEROSITY IN TAKING TIME WITH
US TODAY.
I WANT TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR
THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING
COLLECTIVELY AND WITH SPECIAL
EMPHASIS ON FOLKS WHO ARE
DIRECTLY ENGAGING WITH PEOPLE
IN CRISIS. I RECOGNIZE HOW
DIFFICULT THAT IS IN THIS
PARTICULAR TIME.
HOW TRAUMA INDUCING IT IS TO BE
LIVING OUTDOORS IN THIS TIME
FOR THE FOLKS OUTSIDE.
HOW TRAUMA INDUCING IT IS FOR
THE FOLKS WORKING WITH THEM.
I REALLY, AGAIN, I WANT TO HONOR
AND APPRECIATE THE STRENGTH AND
COMMITMENT YOU WILL BRING TO
YOUR WORK.
THANK YOU FOR NOT JUST DOING
THE WORK BUT HAVING A REALLY
GROUNDED UNDERSTANDING OF WHY
YOU ARE DOING IT.
I THINK YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF
WHAT YOU'RE DOING THIS WORK IS
A BIG PART OF WHAT IS MAKING A
DIFFERENCE TO THE PEOPLE YOU
ARE HELPING.
GREAT STUFF.
BEFORE I INVITE QUESTIONS FOR
MY COLLEAGUES, I WAS WONDERING
IF SOMEBODY COULD BASH AS
SIMPLY AS POSSIBLE -- TELL US
HOW IS CO-LEAD AND THEN
L.E.A.D.
AND HOW IS JUST CARE DIFFERENT
THAN CO-LEAD?
I APPRECIATED THAT THERE WAS A
DIAGRAM EARLY ON TO TRY TO
GRAPHICALLY EXPLAIN WHAT JUST
CARES IS BUT WE HAVE BEEN SO
FAMILIAR WITH L.E.A.D., IT
WOULD BE HELPFUL, IF THERE IS
ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT MAKE CO-
LEAD DIFFERENT THAN L.E.A.D.
AND A COUPLE THINGS THAT MAKE
JUST CARES DIFFERENT THAN CO-
LEAD.
>> I CAN TRY TO TAKE A TRY AT
THAT AND MAYBE SOME OF MY
COLLEAGUES COULD HELP.
THE TRADITIONAL L.E.A.D.
CASE MANAGEMENT MODEL IS BASED
ON STREET BASED OUT REESE
OUTREACH CASE MANAGEMENT.
HISTORICALLY PROVIDED BY THE
L.E.A.D.
PROGRAM.
EXCELLENT HIGH-QUALITY CASE
MANAGEMENT AND LOW CASELOAD BUT
NOT HIGH TO DEDICATED HOUSING
RESOURCE.
THE CASEWORKERS ARE AMAZING AND
WONDERFUL BUT JUST TRYING TO
NAVIGATE THE EXISTING SOCIAL
SERVICES LANDSCAPE WHICH PRIOR
TO BED WAS ALREADY CHALLENGED.
I COME FROM 12 YEARS IN THE
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM.
WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE BEHAVIOR
HEALTH OR HOUSING RESOURCES FOR
THIS POPULATION THAT LIVES AT
THE INTERSECTION OF EXTREME
POVERTY, THE LEVEL WHILE
VIOLATIONS AND BEAVER HEALTH
CONDITIONS.
SO CO-LEAD IS AN ADAPTATION OF
THAT MODEL THAT IS HOTEL BASED.
STILL TAKING THE SAME LOW
CASELOAD, HARM REDUCTION,
HONORING AGENCY AND SELF-
DETERMINATION APPROACH, BUT THE
SERVICES ARE VERY SHORT-TERM ON
THE STREET.
IT'S JUST A COUPLE WEEKS WE'RE
DOING ON THE STREET, OUR ENTRY
PROGRAM MANAGER DOES A
WONDERFUL JOB WITH THAT.
THE REAL WORK IN L.E.A.D.
STARTS ONCE PEOPLE COME INSIDE
AND ARE AT THE HOTEL.
WE SEE PEOPLE EVERY DAY.
SOMETIMES MULTIPLE TIMES PER
DAY.
IT REALLY IS A PAIRING OF
EXTREMELY INTENSIVE CASE
MANAGEMENT WITH MORE OF A
RESIDENTIAL TYPE FRAMING.
THAT IS WHERE THERE IS A PRETTY
STARK DEPARTURE FROM THE
CLASSIC L.E.A.D.
PROGRAM.
THE OTHER PIECES TO THIS ARE A
DEDICATED MEDICAL PROVIDER THAT
COMES TO THE HOTEL, DOES COVID
TESTING AND A LOT OF OTHER
HEALTHCARE KIND OF CONNECTION
UPON PLACEMENT.
AND THE OTHER BIG PIECE THAT IS
DIFFERENT FROM TRADITIONAL CASE
MANAGEMENT IS OUR SCHEDULE.
WE ARE SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK AND
WE HAVE STAFF ON-SITE AT THE
HOTELS FROM 8:00 UNTIL 7:30 PM.
SOMEONE IS ON CALL AND A
SUPERVISOR IS ON CALL OVERNIGHT.
WE ALSO JUST ENTERED INTO A
WONDERFUL PARTNERSHIP, WE WERE
ABOUT TWO WEEKS IN, WITH THE
WHEELER DAVIS CONGLOMERATE FROM
COMMUNITY PASSAGEWAYS HAVE SET
UP A COMMUNITY SAFETY TEAM AND
THEY ARE PROVIDING ON-SITE
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING TO
SUPPORT APPLICANTS OVERNIGHT.
THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE
TRADITIONAL CASE MANAGEMENT
MODEL. AND I WOULD JUST SAY
THAT THE DEDICATED HOUSING,
INTERIM HOUSING OPPONENT IS
PROBABLY, THAT AND THE
SCHEDULE, THE SHIFT BASED
PROGRAM ARE IMPORTANT
DIFERENCES.
BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE A BIG
HEAD AND ONTO THE PROGRAM, THEY
HAVE TAUGHT US EVERYTHING ABOUT
HARM REDUCTION AND THEIR
PARTICULAR CASE MANAGEMENT
APPROACH THAT YOU DON'T TEND TO
SEE ACROSS TRADITIONAL MEDICAID
FUNDED BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
TREATMENT SYSTEMS.
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.
WE OWE A LOT TO THEM IN TERMS
OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
BUILD OFF OF.
AND, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE
RELATIONSHIPS ON THE STREETS
WITH FOLKS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO PULL OFF JUST CARE.
JUST CARE TAKES THIS MODEL AND
DOES IT ACROSS MULTIPLE
PROVIDERS INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD
HIGH-IMPACT RESPONSE.
SO JUST CARE IS ABOUT THE
FRAMEWORK AND TARGETING ACTUAL
NEIGHBORHOODS AND ACTUAL SITES
WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO JUST CARE IS ABOUT THE WAY
PEOPLE COME IN AND WORKING
ACROSS MULTIPLE PROVIDERS.
THE OPPORTUNITY THAT JUST CARE
GAVE US WAS TO ENGAGE WITH ACRS
AND VICTOR TO DO MORE BEYOND
WHAT WE JUST DID IN L.E.A.D..
IT IS SORT OF LIKE, IT IS MORE
THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS. BUT
BECAUSE YOU'RE ABLE TO LEVERAGE
COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND
PARTNERS WHO ALSO HAVE
COMMUNITY RELEVANT ENGAGEMENT
IN THEIR OWN RESOURCES AND
PARTNERSHIP.
THANK YOU.
SO, DO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEY
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE?
LOOKING FOR FOLKS OFF OF MUTE.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, IT LOOKS
LIKE YOU ARE OFF OF MUTE.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
>> NO, I THINK I WAS MUTED.
NOW THAT YOU CALLED ON ME, I
THINK IT WILL BRIEFLY SAY
SOMETHING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
PRESENTATION TODAY.
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WORK AND
THE COMMITTEE ON HOMELESSNESS
MY OFFICE HAS BEEN DOING A LOT
OF WORK SINCE THE SPRING WITH
THE DEFENDER ASSOCIATION AND
ALL OF THE INITIATIVES
DISCUSSED TODAY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
INNOVATION, CREATIVITY AND
ADAPTABILITY OF THIS TEAM AND
THIS GROUP.
THIS PANDEMIC HAS FORCED US
INTO THAT SPACE TO BE CREATIVE
AND ADAPTIVE AND THAT HASN'T
BEEN THE CASE ACROSS ALL THE
OPERATIONS OF GOVERNMENT WE
HAVE SEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY.
BUT, YOUR ABILITY TO BE
INNOVATORS AND TO REALLY ROLL
UP YOUR SLEEVES AND WORK
BACKWARDS FROM THE PROBLEM AND
HELP US AS POLICYMAKERS TRY TO
FIGURE OUT THE BEST INTERVENTION
HAS BEEN ONE OF THE INSPIRING
PARTS OF OUR LOCAL CIVIC
RESPONSE.
I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
úWORK.
EVERY TIME I AM MEETING WITH
STAKEHOLDERS I LIFT UP THIS
WORK AND TRY TO FACILITATE
CONNECTION BETWEEN COMMUNITY
MEMBERS AND YOU GUYS DOING THIS
WORK SO WE CAN SPREAD THE MODEL
AROUND.
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND CONTINUE TO BUILD.
SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE
EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. I LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO GET
UPDATES AS WE CONTINUE OUR
PANDEMIC RESPONSE NEXT YEAR.
>> THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE?
>> I REALIZED I TALKED ABOUT IT
IT DIDN'T PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP.
BUT YOUR STAFF HAS THE SLIDES.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT GONZALEZ.
I WAS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE
RACE THE HAND FEATURE.
I WANT TO ECHO THANKS AND
GRATITUDE FOR THE WORK YOU ALL
ARE DOING AND INNOVATION IN
THIS SPACE.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE MORE
IN TERMS OF EVALUATION AND SORT
OF HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO SORT OF
FROM A MORE HOLISTIC
PERSPECTIVE SEE HOW SOME OF
THESE LESSONS LEARNED ARE
REALLY PLAYING OUT.
I ALWAYS THINK THAT IS HELPFUL
TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT,
INNOVATE AND ADAPT THE MODEL IN
A WAY THAT CAN MEET THE NEED.
MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY FOR DR.
KATHERINE BECKETT, HOPING SHE
COULD SPEAK MORE ABOUT , AND I
MAY HAVE MISSED THIS IF YOU
SAID IT, I APOLOGIZE, CAN YOU
GIVE MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHEN,
SORT OF THE TIMELINE RELATED TO
YOUR RESEARCH WORK AND SORT OF
MAYBE EXPLAIN TO US IF THIS IS
AN ITERATIVE PROCESS, MEANING
SORT OF LIKE A PHASE I APPROACH
AND THERE WILL BE ONGOING
CONTINUING EVALUATION FOR
PURPOSES OF CONTINUOUS
IMPROVEMENT OF THE MODEL,
PARTICULARLY SINCE IT IS SO
INNOVATIVE AND WE ARE ALL
LEARNING HOW TO ADAPT.
AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO
STRUCTURE MODELS AND PROGRAMS
IN THIS COVID PERIOD OF TIME.
>> I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE PLANNING TO
CONTINUE THIS WORK THROUGH
MARCH AT LEAST.
I WILL SAY WE HAVE HAD SORT OF
FOUR OR FIVE DEADLINES SO FAR
THAT HAVE COME AND GONE.
I THINK IT'S QUITE LIKELY TO
CONTINUE ON, IT'S QUITE
POSSIBLE IT WILL CONTINUE PAST
THAT POINT.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS A
VERY INNOVATIVE MODEL WHERE ONE
OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING AS A
RESEARCH TEAM IS LOOKING AT THE
OTHER MODELS EMERGING AROUND
THE COUNTRY.
THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR LONG
TIME AND THERE ARE NEWER
APPROACHES TO THE SET OF ISSUES
EMERGING IN SAN FRANCISCO AND
ATLANTA AND OTHER PLACES.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING
TO BE TRYING TO DO IS SITUATING
JUST CARE IN THE CONTEXT OF
THAT LANDSCAPE. AGAIN, THIS IS
ONGOING RESEARCH SO I DON'T
HAVE CONCLUSIONS YET.
PRELIMINARILY WHAT SEEMS TO SET
JUST CARE APART ARE THE
ENTIRELY COMMUNITY-BASED NAURE
OF IT AND THE LENGTH OF CARE
THAT IS PROVIDED.
MANY OF THESE ARE SET UP MORE
AS CRISIS RESPONSES WHERE
PEOPLE ARE HANDED OFF TO
SOMEONE ELSE.
WHAT'S AMAZING ABOUT THE WORK
JUST CARE IS DOING IS THEY ARE
BRINGING PEOPLE IN FROM
ENCAMPMENTS AND OTHER PLACES
AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING THAT
CARE.
THOSE ARE MY PRELIMINARY
THOUGHTS.
MARCH MAYBE, AND MAYBE LONGER.
WE WILL SEE.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU.
>> WELL AGAIN, MY SINCERE THANKS
TO THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING
EVERY DAY. I LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU AS
YOU DEVELOP THIS MODEL, AS YOU
MAKE AN EFFORT TO ADEQUATELY
RESOURCE THIS MODEL.
THESE MODELS.
I SHOULD SAY ALL THREE.
AND, LET'S DO KEEP IN CLOSE
CONTACT MOVING FORWARD.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME WORK
PRODUCTS RELATED TO L.E.A.D.
THAT WE WILL BE RECEIVING SOON
RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY
REFERRAL PROTOCOLS.
I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO
UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE COMMUNITY
REFERRAL PROTOCOLS FOR L.E.A.D.
HAVE RELEVANCE OR DON'T HAVE
RELEVANCE TO CO-LEAD AND JUST
CARE AS PEOPLE BECOME MORE AWARE
OF CO-LEAD AND JUST CARE AND
HAVE INTEREST IN ACCESSING THE
SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE FOR
FOLKS.
IN THOSE PROGRAMS.
AGAIN, THAT IS LOOKING FORWARD.
BUT, RIGHT NOW HERE IN THE
PRESENT I WANT TO REALLY AGAIN
EXTEND MY THANKS AND GRATITUDE.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
CAN YOU PLEASE READ ITEM NUMBER
TWO INTO THE AGENDA?
>> COUNCIL BILL 119974.
AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO
CIVILIAN AND COMMUNITY
OVERSIGHT OF THE POLICE;
CREATING A SUBPOENA PROCESS FOR
THE OFFICE OF POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY AND OFFICE OF
INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY WHILE ENSURING DUE
PROCESS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
TE SUBJECT OF THE SUBPOENA;
AND ADDING NEW SECTIONS
3.29.126 AND 3.29.245 TO THE
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE . THIS
ITEM IS LISTED FOR BRIEFING
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE VOTE.
>> THANK YOU.
SO, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT
THIS BILL IN OUR LAST COMMITTEE
MEETING, THIS IS A SECOND
DISCUSSION FOR THIS ITEM.
IN OUR LAST COMMITTEE MEETING
WE LET FOLKS KNOW WE WOULD HAVE
AN AMENDMENT WHICH IS A
SUBSTITUTE SHOWN IN REDLINE ON
THE AGENDA.
I WILL IN A MOMENT TURN OVER TO
GREG TO DISCUSS THE SUBSTITUTE,
BUT A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE BASE
AS A RECAP FOR THE VIEWING
PUBLIC, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF,
PERMITS SUBPOENA ENFORCEMENT BY
BOTH THE OPA, OFFICE OF POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY AND OFFICE OF
INSPECTOR GENERAL AND COURT OF
COMPETENT JURISDICTION BY THE
CITY ATTORNEY.
THE AUTHORITY FOR SUBPOENA
AUTHORITY IS STILL SUBJECT TO
THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
REQUIREMENTS.
THIS BILL IN THE PROCESS, THE
APPEAL PROCESS ISSUES ARE
BROADER THAN THAT.
NOTICE WILL ACCOMPANY THE
SUBPOENA VOTE FOR THE DIRECT
RECIPIENT.
AS WELL AS THE SUBJECT WHOSE
RECORDS ARE BEING SOUGHT.
AND THE BILL ITSELF NOTICES,
RECOGNIZES THE LEGAL RIGHTS
AFFORDED TO PEOPLE BEING
SUBPOENAED UNDER THE LAW.
AND THEN, FINALLY THE NOTICE IS
REQUIRED TO RECOGNIZE SEARCH
WARRANT REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE
SEPARATELY MET.
THIS IS LEGISLATION THAT HAS
BEEN DRAFTED COLLABORATIVELY
BETWEEN MYSELF, THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE, INSPECTOR GENERAL AND
POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IT HAS BEEN VIEWED BY THE CPC
AND I REALLY WANT TO THANK
EVERYONE FOR WORKING TOGETHER
TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
JUST AS A BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR
HOW WE GOT HERE, I WANT TO
RECOGNIZE THE 2017
ACCOUNTABILITY LEGISLATION
SPONSORED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT
GONZALEZ INCLUDED SUBPOENA
AUTHORITY, THIS BILL BUILDS ON
THAT LEGISLATION TO PROVIDE
úCLARITY ON THE PROCEDURES IN
DUE PROCESS PROTECTIONS INHERENT
IN THE RIGHTS TO SUBPOENA LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
WITH THAT, THERE ARE NO
QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE,
AND WHAT THE CONTENTS OF THE
CURRENT BILL IS, I'M GOING TO
HANDED OVER TO GREG TO
DESCRIBE.
>> THANK YOU.
GREG DOSS, COUNCIL CENTRAL
STAFF.
YOU MAKE MY JOB EASY.
YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD
DESCRIPTION OF THE BILL.
I HAVE LITTLE TO ADD AND NOT
MUCH TO TALK ABOUT THE
SUBSTITUTE.
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TODAY IS
THE SUBSTITUTE THAT PRETTY MUCH
CLARIFIES LANGUAGE, IT MAKES
TECHNICAL CHANGES AND CHANGES
THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE
LEGISLATION SO BECOMES
EFFECTIVE ON THE LATER OF
EITHER COURT APPROVAL AS PART
OF THE CONSENT DECREE POLICY
REVIEW PROCESS OR 30 DAYS AFTER
ITS APPROVAL BY THE MAYOR.
MEMBERS RECEIVED LAST WEEK A
REDLINE VERSION OF THIS
AMENDMENT AND THE REDLINE
VERSION IS ALSO ATTACHED TO
THIS WEEK'S PUBLISHED AGENDA.
THE AMENDMENT WAS PREPARED BY
THE LAW DEPARTMENT MAYOR'S
OFFICE AND OFFICE OF THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL.
AS YOU KNOW THESE PARTIES ARE
ALL HERE TODAY AND AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE ON THE
SUBSTITUTE.
>> THANK YOU, GREG.
SO, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS,
I WANT TO GET THE SUBSTITUTE IN
FRONT OF US.
AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THERE
ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR
DISCUSSIONS OF THE BILL BEFORE
VOTING ON IT.
SEEING NONE, I MOVED TO
SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT ONE.
IS VERY SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
ALL OF YOU VOTING IN FAVOR TO
MOVE AMENDMENT ONE VOTE AYE.
>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO
ROLLCALL.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
>> THIS IS A FIRST TIME FOR ME
VOTING.
SINCE SEPTEMBER.
>> ONE OF THE ANNOYANCES OF
BEING VIRTUAL.
>> ALEX, DO YOU WANT TO DO THE
ROLLCALL PLEASE?
FOR AMENDMENT ONE.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT GONZALEZ.
>> AYE.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MORALES.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD .
>> AYE.
>> THANK YOU.
NOW THE SUBSTITUTE IS IN FRONT
OF US.
IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS OR
DISCUSSIONS BY EITHER COUNCIL
MEMBERS OR OUR ACCOUNTABILITY
PARTNERS AT THE TABLE, I WOULD
BE HAPPY TO HEAR IT.
I AM BOTH LOOKING FOR HAND
RAISING IN THE PARTICIPANTS
PANEL AND LOOKING FOR FOLKS WHO
MIGHT BE OFF OF MUTE.
IF I AM MISSING ANYTHING, DON'T
HESITATE TO SPEAK UP.
ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, AGAIN,
I AM REALLY PLEASED WE HAVE HAD
THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK
COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE
EXECUTIVE AS WELL AS OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS IN THE
LAW DEPARTMENT IN BRINGING THIS
FORWARD.
I THINK THAT THIS BILL WILL
HELP US MOVE FORWARD BOTH IN
SECURING SUBPOENA POWER IN ALL
NECESSARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND
WILL HELP GUIDE US IN OUR
NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TWO
POLICE UNIONS.
I THINK THIS STRONG LEGISLATION
SERVES AS FOUNDATION FOR US TO
DO THAT, WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE
THAT WE HAVE AN APPEALS PROCESS
FOR FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE SUBJECTS
OF SUBPOENAS IN THE FUTURE,
WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE POLICE
DEPARTMENT OFFICERS OR OTHER
PARTIES.
WITH THAT, I MOVE TO APPROVE
COUNCIL BILL 11 9974.
>> SECOND.
>> I HAVE A ROLLCALL PLEASE.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT GONZALEZ.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MORALES.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD .
>> AYE.
>> THANK YOU.
AND SO COUNCIL BILL 11974 WILL
BE HEARD AT THE FULL COUNCIL
MEETING JANUARY 4. 2021.
THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING OF
THE YEAR.
ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ALEX COULD YOU PLEASE READ THAT
INTO THE RECORD FOR US?
>> ITEM NUMBER THREE.
DECISION AGENDA ON LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
COMMUNITY POLICE COMMISSION,
OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL,
AND OFFICE OF POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY .
>> THANK YOU, ALEX.
I HAVE SOME OPENING REMARKS.
BEFORE WE GET TO THOSE OPENING
REMARKS I AM HOPING WE CAN DO A
QUICK ROUND OF INTRODUCTIONS
FOR FOLKS WILL BE JOINING US IN
THIS DISCUSSION.
>> I WILL START.
GREG DOSS, COUNCIL CENTRAL
STAFF.
>> ANDREW MYERBERG.
DIRECTOR OF OPA.
SHAYLEEN MORRIS, POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR CPC.
GOOD MORNING, LISA JUDGE,
OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL.
LISE KAYE, OFFICE OF CENTRAL
STAFF.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OUR OBJECTIVE FOR TODAY IS IN
RECOGNITION THAT IN SEPTEMBER
THIS COMMITTEE HEARD
RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE THREE
ACCOUNTABILITY BODIES FOR
CHANGES TO THE COUNCILS CROWD
CONTROL WEAPONS ORDINANCE AS
REQUESTED BACK WHEN HE PASSED
THAT ORDINANCE IN JUNE OR JULY.
AND TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS
INTENDED TO ENSURE THAT
COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE CLEAR ON
THE POSITIONS OF THE THREE
ACCOUNTABILITY BODIES ON THE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS
THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THEM.
AND, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT
COUNCIL MEMBERS MIGHT HAVE
ABOUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
CENTRAL STAFF REDUCED A CHART
INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDATION
TO COVER MANY OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS. BUT IT DOESN'T
COVER EVERY ITEM ADDRESSED IN
THE ORDINANCE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE ORDINANCE
MENTIONED ACOUSTIC WEAPONS,
DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS, WATER
CANNONS, DISORIENTATION DEVICES
AND SONIC DEVICES.
BEFORE TODAY'S MEETING WE ARE
FOCUSED ON A SUBSET OF THE LESS
LETHAL DEVICES THE
ACCOUNTABILITY BODIES HAVE MADE
RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING USE
OF LESS LETHAL WEAPONS IN THE
CONTEXT OF CROWD DISPERSAL.
IN PATROL.
AND USE IN INSTANCES THAT ARE
TACTICAL OR S.W.A.T.
USE.
IN THE CHART WHICH WE WILL GET
TO SUMMARIZES THEIR POSITIONS
IN EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT
TYPES OF USES.
AGAIN, TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS
INTENDED TO SET THE STAGE FOR
DECISION AGENDA VOTES AT THE
COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR
JANUARY 12 WHERE WE WILL USE
THE DECISION OF THE COMMITTEE
AS IT RELATES TO EACH OF THE
OPTIONS.
AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPTIONS TO
DEVELOP LEGISLATION.
THEN THE LEGISLATION THE
DISSENT DECREE PROCESS WILL
SEND THAT LEGISLATION ADOPTED
IN COMMITTEE PRIOR TO THE FULL
COUNCIL VOTE TO THE MONITOR AND
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
AND AGAIN, WE WILL GET THAT
INPUT FROM THE MONITOR AND THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BEFORE
CONSUL TAKES ACTION.
JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE
BACKGROUND AND LEGAL LANDSCAPE.
WE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO DELVE
MORE DEEPLY INTO THE LEGAL
LANDSCAPE MORE FULLY WITH OUR
ATTORNEYS IN AN UPCOMING
EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AS IT RELATES TO THAT LEGAL
LANDSCAPE I WANT TO TOUCH ON
THE TIMELINE AND PROCESS ISSUES.
AGAIN, BACK IN JUNE COUNCIL
ADOPTED COUNCIL BILL 119805
BRAVING THE USE OF SOME LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS.
CROWD CONTROL WEAPONS IS WHAT
WAS CALLED IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND, REQUESTED RECOMMENDATIONS
FROM THE THREE ACCOUNTABILITY
BODIES.
IN LATE JULY BEFORE THE
ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT, THE
US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
THOUGHT AND THE COURT GRANTED A
TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER
STOPPING THE ORDINANCE FROM
GOING INTO EFFECT.
THIS TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER
WAS LATER CONVERTED IN OCTOBER
INTO A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION.
"IN ORDER TO FACILITATE REVIEW
UNDER THE PROCESS IN THE
CONSENT DECREE."
THE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION
ITSELF DOES NOT REQUIRE THE
COUNCIL OR SPD TO TAKE ANY
ACTIONS.
NEITHER THE COUNCIL OR THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE
OBLIGATIONS FROM THE COURT TO
PROPOSED REVISED POLICIES.
AMEND THE CITY CODE.
OR TAKE ANY STEPS REGARDING
CROWD CONTROL WEAPONS ORDINANCE.
BUT IF WE WANT CHANGES TO
POLICY, AND I THINK WE DO, THEN
AS OF THE JUDGE'S JULY RULING
NOTICE, THE CONSENT DECREE
REQUIRES THE CITY SUBMIT
POLICIES RELATED TO THE USE OF
FORCE INCLUDING THE USE OF
CROWD CONTROL MANAGEMENT
WEAPONS.
TO THE MONITOR, AND THE
GOVERNMENT BEFORE THE POLICIES
ARE IMPLEMENTED.
THAT IS WHY IF THE COUNCIL IS
INTERESTED IN USING AND USING
THE ORDINANCES AS A WAY TO
EXPRESS OUR PREFERENCE AND
POLICIES TO LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS, WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS AND
AGAIN RESUBMIT THE AMENDED
ODINANCE TO COURT.
THE COURT RECENTLY NOTED IN
THIS DECISION THAT IT AGREES
THAT BY REMOVING ALL FORMS OF
LETHAL CROWD CONTROL WEAPONS
FROM VIRTUALLY ALL POLICE
ENCOUNTERS THE DIRECTIVE AND
CROWD CONTROL WEAPONS ORDINANCE
WILL NOT INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY SO
BECAUSE, AND I AM QUOTING FROM
THE COURT, THIS IS PARTICULARLY
SO BECAUSE NEITHER THE CROWD
CONTROL WEAPONS ORDINANCE NOR
THE DIRECTIVE PROVIDE TIME FOR
POLICE TRAINING AND ALTERNATIVE
MECHANISMS TO DE-ESCALATE AND
RESOLVE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS IF
THE CROWD CONTROL IMPLEMENTS
WITH WHICH THE OFFICERS HAVE
BEEN TRAINED ARE ABRUPTLY
REMOVED.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
KEEP IN MIND THE OPINING FROM
THE COURT ABOUT THE COUNCILS
ORDINANCE IN THE FORMAT WAS IN
JUNE WHEN IT REVIEWED IT
BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE
BRINGING UNDER THIS CURRENT
PLAN, WE WILL BE BRINGING AN
AMENDED ORDINANCE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE
COURTS PERSPECTIVE ON THE
CONCEPT OF BANNING ALL FORMS OF
LESS LETHAL CROWD CONTROL
WEAPONS FROM ENCOUNTERS.
THE JUDGE ALSO DIRECTED THE
BODIES TO SHARE THE
LIQUIDATIONS WITH THE COURT AS
WELL.
THAT IS THE ENVIRONMENT WE ARE
NAVIGATING AS HE WILL HAVE THE
ULTIMATE SAY ON THE LEGISLATION
SINCE THE CITY IS UNDER DISSENT
DECREE.
SEPARATELY WE DON'T NEED TO
DISCUSS THIS NOW BUT IT'S
IMPORTANT TO BE AWARE THAT IN
JUNE US DISTRICT COURT ORDERED
RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF
CROWD CONTROL WEAPONS,
SEPARATELY FROM COUNCILS
LEGISLATION BECAUSE OF A SUIT
FILED BY BLACK LIVES MATTER AND
THE ACLU IN AUGUST THE COURT
ADDED TO THE ORDER AND LAST WEEK
FOUND THE CITY IN CONTEMPT OF
THE ORDER.
THAT IS ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THE
LEGAL FRAMEWORK IN WHICH WE ARE
OPERATING.
UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS
ABOUT MY OPENING REMARKS I'M
GOING TO HANDED OVER TO GREG
AND LISA TO PROCEED WITH THE
PRESENTATION.
THE POLICE COMMISSION, OFFICE
OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.
.
>> THANK YOU, GREG DOSS,
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF AND I AM
JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE LISE
KAYE.
WE ARE GOING TO FACILITATE THE
DISCUSSION WITH A POWERPOINT, I
WILL ASK ALEX IF HE CAN PUT
THAT UP FOR EVERYONE TO SEE
>> THAT LOOK OKAY?
>> GREAT, THANKS.
IF YOU WOULD ADVANCE THAT TO
SLIDE NUMBER THREE, ACTUALLY GO
BACK TO SLIDE NUMBER TWO.
TO REITERATE WHAT WE ARE DOING
HERE, COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD ,
THE CHAIR GAVE OPENING REMARKS,
A VERY THOROUGH BACKGROUND OF
THE ISSUE IN THE LEGAL
LANDSCAPE.
LISE KAYE AND I ARE GOING TO
TALK A BIT ABOUT THE OVERSIGHT
AGENCY'S POSITION ON CONTINUING
A BAN ON LESS LETHAL WEAPONS.
IS THE CHAIR POINTED OUT THIS
IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE A
DISCUSSION THAT GETS INTO THE
DETAILS OF EVERY SINGLE KIND OF
WEAPON, BUT RATHER A HIGH-LEVEL
DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE
COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO APPROACH
THE ISSUE OF REAUTHORIZATION.
NUMBER THREE ON THIS AGENDA IS
REALLY YOUR DISCUSSION.
AND THEN FINALLY COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD WILL CLOSE IT OFF WITH
SOME DISCUSSION OF HOW SHE
ENVISIONS THE NEXT COMMITTEE
MEETING GOING AND HOW MEMBERS
WOULD MOVE AHEAD ON A VOTE WITH
THE SPECIFIC DECISION FOR THE
ITEMS PLACED BEFORE THEM.
ALEX, I ASK YOU TO MOVE TO
SLIDE NUMBER THREE.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
THANKS.
BEFORE I JUMP INTO SLIDE NUMBER
THREE I WANT TO ITERATE AN
IMPORTANT POINT THAT THE CHAIR
MADE.
COUNCIL BILL 119805 NOW
ORDINANCE EFFECTIVELY BAN THE
PURCHASE AND USE OF ALL LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS.
THE ORDINANCE PREVENTED THE USE
OF THESE DEVICES UNDER FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS, WHEN FOLKS
ARE DEMONSTRATING, BUT ALSO
LEFT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO USE LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS WHEN EITHER
CROWD DISPERSAL IS NECESSARY
FOR LIFE SAFETY REASONS OR TO
USE LESS LETHAL WEAPONS FOR THE
PURPOSES OF OTHER THAN CROWD
DISPERSAL.
ONE EXCEPTION TO THIS IS OC
SPRAY IS STILL ALLOWED TO BE
USED TO SPD OFFICERS AS LONG AS
THEY ARE NOT USING IT AGAINST
CITIZENS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING
IN FIRST AMENDMENT
DEMONSTRATIONS OR IF IT LANDS ON
INDIVIDUALS OTHER THAN THOSE
TARGETED.
INDIVIDUALS COMMITTING PUBLIC
SAFETY PESKY ACTIONS OR CRIMES.
SO, I WILL GO AHEAD AND JUMP
INTO THE SLIDE.
WHEN THE ACCOUNTABILITY
AGENCIES PRESENTED THEIR
RECOMMENDATIONS ON REAUTHORIZING
LESS LETHAL WEAPONS THEY TALKED
ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE LESS OF
LESS LETHAL WEAPONS IN SPECIFIC
CIRCUMSTANCES.
THE TABLE BEFORE YOU IS
DESIGNED TO FACILITATE TODAY'S
DISCUSSION BY CAPTURING THE
AGENCY'S POSITIONS ON
REAUTHORIZING LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS.
SPECIFICALLY WHERE A BAND
SHOULD CONTINUE TO REMAIN IN
PLACE.
THE CATEGORIES HERE HAVE NOT
BEEN DEFINED.
IF THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH LEGISLATION THAT
AUTHORIZED SOME LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS UNDER CERTAIN KINDS OF
CONDITIONS OR CATEGORIES, THEN
THESE CATEGORIES WOULD NEED TO
BE PRETTY WELL DEFINED. IN THE
COMMITTEE'S LAST MEETING ON
THIS TOPIC THE ACCOUNTABILITY
AGENCIES SAID THEY COULD
PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE,
ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF USING
LESS LETHAL WEAPONS FOR CROWD
DISPERSAL PURPOSES.
I'M GOING TO GO OVER AT A HIGH
LEVEL THE CATEGORIES SHOWN HERE.
THE FIRST ONE IS PATROL USE.
AN EXAMPLE OF THIS MIGHT BE AN
OFFICER WOULD USE A 40
MILLIMETER LAUNCHER AGAINST A
SUSPECT HOLDING A KNIFE.
THIS EXAMPLE WOULD ASSUME AN
OFFICER IS QUALIFIED TO USE THE
LAUNCHER AND ALLOWED TO DO SO
UNDER SPD POLICY.
úAN EXAMPLE OF THE SECOND
CATEGORY, TACTICAL USE, MIGHT
BE WHERE AN OFFICER FIRES
TEARGAS INTO AN UNOCCUPIED
BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY ONLY
OCCUPIED BY A BARRICADED SUBJECT
WHO REFUSES TO COME OUT.
THE CROWD DISPERSAL CATEGORY
HONESTLY REPRESENTS TIMES WHEN
SPD WOULD NEED TO END A
DEMONSTRATION BECAUSE THERE ARE
THREATS TO LIFE OR SAFETY OF
THE PARTICIPANTS OR PROPERTY
DESTRUCTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE TABLE,
THERE IS REALLY ONLY ONE USE
CATEGORY THAT ALL AGENCIES
AGREE SHOULD REMAIN BAND AND
ONLY FOR ONE TYPE OF LESS
LETHAL WEAPON.
THAT IS TEARGAS FOR CONTROL USE.
THAT IS A SITUATION THAT WOULD
NOT NORMALLY HAPPEN UNDER SPD
POLICIES.
AND IN FACT, IF YOU GO TO THE
END OF THE TABLE YOU WILL SEE
THAT THERE IS AN IN/A UNDER
FLASH BANG DIVERSIONARY DEVICES.
THAT IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE
PROHIBITED BY SPD POLICY TO BE
USED BY OFFICERS WHO DON'T HAVE
SPECIFIC TRAINING IN THOSE
DEVICES AND THAT WOULD NOT FALL
UNDER PATROL USE, THAT IS
GENERALLY THE ONLY PLACE WHERE
THERE IS TOTAL AGREEMENT, I
WOULD NOTE THE CPC HAS
INDICATED TIER GLASS AND GLASS
BALLS SHOULD BE BANNED FOR
EVERY KIND OF YOU SIGNIFICANT
OF CIRCUMSTANCE.
THEY HAVE IN THE PAST ISSUED
RECOMMENDATIONS AND GUIDELINES
ASKING THAT SPD FOLLOW THAT
DIRECTION.
FINALLY I NOTE THE OPA AND OIG
GENERALLY AGREE ON
REAUTHORIZATION FOR NEARLY
EVERY KIND OF LESS LETHAL
WEAPON.
AND IN NEARLY EVERY KIND OF
CIRCUMSTANCE WITH THE EXCEPTION
OF TEARGAS BEING USED FOR CROWD
DISPERSAL PURPOSES AS YOU CAN
SEE IN THE TABLE THE OPA WOULD
NOT ALLOW THAT OR WOULD WANT TO
CONTINUE A BAN ON THERE.
AND THE OIG WOULD WANT TO KEEP
THAT AS A TOOL AVAILABLE TO SPD
BUT ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC
PURPOSES.
OR SPECIFIC KINDS OF POLICIES.
>> CAN YOU RESTATE THAT LAST
POINT?
>> SO, WHEN USING TEARGAS, WELL,
THE CPC AND OPA WOULD CONTINUE
A BAN ON TEARGAS AGAINST OR FOR
USE OF CROWD DISPERSAL PURPOSES
IN ANY WAY OR IN ANY MANNER.
THE OIG WOULD NOT CONTINUE A
BAN ON TEARGAS, BUT WOULD ALLOW
OR BELIEVES THAT SP SHOULD ONLY
USE YOUR GRASS -- TEARGAS
AGAINST THE CROWD IN SPECIFIC
CIRCUMSTANCES.
I BELIEVE IN THE LAST MEETING I
HEARD, ONLY WHERE THERE WAS A
RIOT, SOMETHING WAS AN ABSOLUTE
RIOT, MAYHEM, WHERE LIFE SAFETY
WAS AT RISK.
AND THE PARTICULAR
DEMONSTRATION WAS HAPPENING
WHERE THERE WAS NO RISK OF THE
TEARGAS REACHING OTHER PEOPLE.
I WILL LET HER ELABORATE ON
THAT.
AND OTHER POINTS IN OUR
PRESENTATION AS WE MOVE ALONG
FURTHER.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> THANK YOU.
YES.
>> OKAY, SO, BEFORE I MOVE ANY
FURTHER I WANT TO NOTE SOME
IMPORTANT POINTS.
FIRST, MADAM CHAIR, AS YOU
NOTED THIS IS NOT AN INCLUSIVE
LIST OF ALL LESS LETHAL WEAPONS.
RATHER THESE ARE MOST USED BY
SPD OR THE MOST DISCUSSED IN
THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING.
I THINK THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE
PURPOSE OF GUIDING TODAY'S
DISCUSSION.
BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF
THIS PRESENTATION WE WILL HAVE
TO TALK A BIT ABOUT HOW THE
COMMITTEE WOULD APPROACH OTHER
LESS LETHAL WEAPONS THAT AREN'T
LISTED HERE.
WHILE THE ACCOUNTABILITY
AGENCIES AGREE THAT LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO
BE BANNED IN MANY OF THE
CIRCUMSTANCES, THIS IN NO WAY
DISCOUNTS THE DANGER OF LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS AND SHOULD NOT
BE SEEN AS AN ENDORSEMENT FOR
SPD TO RETURN TO PRIOR PRACTICES
WITH THE USE OF THESE WEAPONS.
AND IN FACT, THE AGENCIES HAVE
ALREADY PROVIDED TO SPD
CAUTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF THESE
WEAPONS IN VARIOUS FORMS. WITH
THAT I WOULD ASK ALEX TO FLIP
TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
IN THE PAST, THE ACCOUNTABILITY
AGENCIES HAVE NOTED AND SENT IN
VARIOUS FORMS EITHER BY LETTER
OR MANAGEMENT ACTION OR FINDINGS
THAT LESS LETHAL WEAPONS CAN
HONESTLY CAUSE INJURY OR DEATH
AND THAT AGENCIES OR SPD SHOULD
GUARD AGAINST SPECIFICALLY
INDISCRIMINATE USE WHERE THEY
ARE TURNING WEAPONS ON A CROWD,
SOME OF WHICH MAY NOT BE, SOME
OF THE PARTICIPANTS HAPPY
COMMITTING CRIMES. THEY TALK
ABOUT TEARGAS, POTENTIALLY
INFILTRATING BUILDINGS AND
HURTING FOLKS THAT ARE NOT IN
PROTESTS.
PEPPER SPRAY BEING USED AGAINST
FOLKS WHO ARE NOT PUTTING UP
RESISTANCE.
GLASS BALLS, THERE HAVE BEEN A
NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT
HOW GLASS WALLS SHOULD BE
DEPLOYED, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE
TO SEND THEM INTO CROWDS, ABOVE
CROWDS OR NEAR PEOPLE.
ALEX, IF YOU COULD KEEP GOING
AND FLIP ONE MORE SLIDE.
THAT THE 40 MILLIMETER LAUNCHER
HAS A DANGER TO STRIKE
NONTARGETED INDIVIDUALS OR MISS
A TARGET ALTOGETHER.
ALL OF THESE THINGS, THE RISK
LEVEL IS USING THESE DEVICES
WHICH ARE DANGEROUS AND AS I
SAID BEFORE, CAN CAUSE INJURY
OR DEATH.
AND THEN THE NOISE FLASH
DIVERSIONARY DEVICES IS MUCH
LIKE THE BLAST WALLS.
BECAUSE I AM SAYING THE AGENCY,
THE AGENCIES WOULD NOT FOR THE
MOST PART, PARTICULARLY THE OPA
AND OIG, WOULD NOT CONTINUE A
BAN ON THESE DEVICES, IT SHOULD
NOT BE INTERPRETED IN ANY WAY
THAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WOULD
BE TO RETURN TO PRIOR USE
POLICIES.
RATHER THAT SPD FOLLOW THESE
CAUTIONS IN THE DIRECTION THAT
HAD BEEN PROVIDED BY MANAGEMENT
ACTION LETTERS AND OTHER
LETTERS.
ALSO, FOLLOW THE SPECIFIC
POLICIES PROPOSED IN
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME
IT MET.
WITH THAT, I THINK I'M GOING TO
TURN OVER TO LISE KAYE WHO IS
GOING TO SUMMARIZE AT A HIGH
LEVEL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE
ACCOUNTABILITY AGENCIES MADE.
THERE WERE A LOT OF
RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY WERE VERY
DETAILED.
SOME IN SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.
SOME ADDRESSING CERTAIN SPECIFIC
CIRCUMSTANCES AND WEAPONS.
WHAT CENTRAL STAFF IS
ATTEMPTING TO DO IS GIVE THE
COMMITTEE A HIGH LEVEL FLAVOR
OF RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BEFORE
THE LAST MEETING.
WITH THAT I WILL TURN OVER TO
LISE KAYE.
>> THANKS, GREG.
LISE KAYE HEAR FROM CENTRAL
STAFF.
ALEX, GO TO SLIDE 6 PLEASE.
THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES IDENTIFY
SOME OF THE COMMON THEMES WE SAW
IN OVERSIGHT AGENCY
RECOMMENDATIONS.
AS GREG SAID.
THESE ARE AT A HIGH LEVEL AND
THEY DON'T ATTEMPT TO CAPTURE
ALL THE NUANCE AND DETAIL
PROVIDED IN THE REPORTS, SOME
OF WHICH WERE VERY EXPENSIVE.
AS THE SLIDE BEFORE YOU SHOWS,
ALL THREE AGENCIES AGREE THAT
FOR THE MOST PART TEAR GAS
SHOULD BE BANNED AND THAT THE
CITY NEEDS TO FIND POLICIES AND
PROTOCOLS FOR THE USE OF LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS.
OIG NOTED TEAR GAS MAY BE
WARRANTED DURING WHAT THEY CALL
A FULL-SCALE RIOT.
ADDITIONAL THEMES SPEAK TO THE
NEED FOR DETAILED TECHNICAL
PLANS FOR CROWD CONTROL IN
ADVANCE OF DEPLOYMENT.
ALSO PROHIBITION AGAINST USING
LESS LETHAL WEAPONS SOLELY TO
PREVENT PROPERTY DESTRUCTION
DURING DEMONSTRATIONS.
I WOULD NOTE THE CPC DID
RECOMMEND AGAINST USING LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS DURING ANY FIRST
AMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITY.
LET'S TURN TO SLIDE NUMBER
SEVEN.
OTHER THEMES WE FOUND ARE THE
NEED FOR IMPROVED MUNICATION.
BOTH IN CONTENT AND DELIVERY.
AND HAVING THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY
AVAILABLE IN HAND WHEN YOU NEED
IT.
IN ADDITION WE SAW THEMES
CALLING FOR MORE THOROUGH
TRAINING IN THE USE OF LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS WITH HANDS-ON
PRACTICE WERE FEASIBLE.
AND FOR STRONGER ACCOUNTABILITY
MEASURES WHEN LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS HAVE BEEN USED.
FINALLY BOTH OPA AND OIG ADVISE
AGAINST REQUIRING EXECUTIVE
AUTHORIZATION PRIOR TO THE USE
OF LESS LETHAL WEAPONS.
THIS ADVICE WAS ON THE GROUNDS
OF THE EXECUTIVE AND IS LIKELY
TO HAVE FIELD KNOWLEDGE OR
SITUATIONAL AWARENESS FROM AN
IMPARTIAL OBSERVER DURING A
DEMONSTRATION SO THEY MAY NOT
HAVE THE FULL PICTURE BEFORE
THEY MAKE A DECISION.
AND MANY ACTIVE DECISIONS AND
SITUATIONS REQUIRED QUICK
DECISIONS TO PROTECT SAFETY.
I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT AGENCIES
DID ADVISE US THAT THEY
INTERPRETED THE QUESTION ABOUT
EXECUTIVE AUTHORIZATION THE
COUNCIL ADOPTED, THEY
INTERPRETED THE QUESTION
SOMEWHAT NARROWLY AND HAVEN'T
TAKEN POSITION AS TO WHETHER
EMMA WHEN AND HOW THE
EXECUTIVES SHOULD DECLARE A RIOT
WHICH IS IN FACT A DIFFERENT
QUESTION THAN IF THEY SHOULD
AUTHORIZE SPECIFIC USE OF LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS.
>> LISA, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE
WANTED TO DO AN OUTRIGHT BAN ON
TEAR GAS WITH ACCOUNTABILITY
RECOMMENDATIONS WITH A VERY
NARROW EXCEPTION, AS
RECOMMENDED BY THE OAG, IT
ALLOWS FOR THE USE ONLY IN CASES
OF THE DECLARATION OF A RIOT,
WE COULD IN THAT INSTANCE ASK
FOR SOME SORT OF EXECUTIVE
AUTHORIZATION, OR WE COULD HAVE
A DISCUSSION, WE DON'T HAVE A
RECOMMENDATION SAYING IT IS A
BAD IDEA.
TO ASK FOR OR HAVE SOME SORT OF
EXECUTIVE AUTHORIZATION OF A
FULL-SCALE RIOT?
>> EXACTLY.
I THINK GREG AND I HAVE TALKED
ABOUT IN THAT INSTANCE YOU
WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO INCLUDE
A DEFINITION OF RIOT IN YOUR
ORDINANCE SO EVERYONE KNEW WHAT
THE THRESHOLDS WERE BEFORE THAT
DECLARATION WOULD BE ENABLED.
THAT REALLY WRAPS UP THE HIGH-
LEVEL THEMES.
GIVEN THAT THIS IS A VERY HIGH
LEVEL, THE OVERSIGHT AGENCY MAY
HAVE SOME SPECIFIC AREA OF
EMPHASIS THAT I HAVEN'T COVERED
OR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO FLAG
AND RAISE UP A LITTLE MORE.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOUR
DISCRETION, MADAM CHAIR, IF
THAT'S OKAY.
>> I THINK THIS IS A GOOD
OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR MORE FROM
OUR ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS. WE
DID HAVE THEM IN SEPTEMBER TO
TALK ABOUT THEIR
RECOMMENDATIONS.
NOW THAT WE ARE GETTING MORE,
AND IN THE WEEDS AND BECOMING
MORE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF
THESE CONCEPTS, I WOULD
DEFINITELY FEEL THERE WOULD BE
VALUE ADDED IF COUNCILMEMBERS
HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT
RECOMMENDATIONS AND EVEN IF NOT,
IF THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE
HAVE FEEDBACK THEY WOULD LIKE
TO OFFER THAT WE HAVEN'T
ALREADY COVERED AS PART OF THE
CENTRAL STAFF PRESENTATION.
>> FROM OPA'S PERSPECTIVE, ONE
THING I WOULD NOTE IS, I THINK
EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THIS, WHEN
THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ISSUED
IT WAS EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS,
I THINK WE ISSUED THEM IN JULY,
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, I
THINK IT WAS IN JULY.
AT THAT POINT WE REALLY HAD NOT
BEEN ABLE TO DIG THROUGH THE
VAST MAJORITY OF THE CASES THAT
INVOLVED THE USE OF LAST BALLS
AND OTHER TOOLS IN THE EARLY
DAYS OF THE PROTEST.
WE HAVE SINCE ISSUED SEVERAL
FINDINGS INCLUDING SUSTAINED
FINDINGS FOR THE USE OF BLAST
BALLS.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED OTHER
CONCERNS WITH BLAST VAULT USAGE.
I THINK OUR THOUGHT IS THAT WE
WILL BE SUPPLEMENTING OUR
REPORT, MAYBE NOT A FORMAL
REPORT BUT MAYBE SUPPLEMENTING
THE RECOMMENDATION, LESSONS
LEARNED FROM THE ACTUAL
INVESTIGATIONS.
I THINK LISA JUDGE IS MUCH OF
THE SAME BOAT.
WITH THE REVIEW COMING OUT WHERE
TRENDS, SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, THEY
WILL FLOW.
THAT WILL WEIGH INTO THE
CONSENT DECREE PROCESS WHICH I
THINK IS IN LATE JANUARY OR
FEBRUARY FORMULATED TO CREATE
NEW POLICY.
FOR EXAMPLE, BLAST BALLS, I
WOULDN'T SAY WE WOULD
REAUTHORIZE WITHOUT ANY CAVEATS
THE USE OF BLAST BALLS AND
DEMONSTRATION, WE REALLY PUSHED
FOR LIMITING LAST BALLS, WEDDING
THREAT TO PEOPLE, THAT WOULD BE
SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE OF BLAST
BALLS WERE CAN BE USED FOR
PEOPLE, PROPERTY AND OFFICERS
HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION OF
WHEN TO USE BLAST BALLS.
WE WANT TO PUT MORE ONUS ON THE
CHAIN OF COMMAND AND TO LIMIT
IT TO THE SITUATION WHERE THERE
IS A RISK OF HARM TO PEOPLE.
OVERHAND DEPLOYMENT. LINE
DEPLOYMENTS WHICH WILL ARE
THROWING BLAST BALLS WHEN THEY
DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
THROWING IT AT.
THERE ARE THINGS WE ARE SEEING
WE WANT TO SUPPLEMENT OUR
REPORT ON.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS COMPLETED.
>> THANK YOU.
I SEE INSPECTOR GENERAL JUDGE
HAS HER HAND UP.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I WOULD ASK
HER TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION
TOO, SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES
TO BLAST BALLS CAN YOU SPEAK
BRIEFLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE
CPC HAS A LONG-STANDING
RECOMMENDATION TO AND LAST
BALLS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO YOUR
DIFFERING PERSPECTIVE ON THIS?
>> SURE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN
THE REPORT WAS SPD SHOULD GO
BACK TO THE PREVIOUS
RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY OTHERS
HIGHLIGHTING CPC RECOMMENDATIONS
AND TAKE THEM STRONGLY INTO
ACCOUNT AND THAT POTENTIALLY
INCLUDES TO PROHIBIT USE.
I THINK HERE, THE DISTINCTION I
WOULD MAKE IS HAVING
LEGISLATIVE BAND IS MUCH
DIFFERENT THAN HAVING SPD BY
POLICY PROHIBIT THEIR USE IN
CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
WITH MANY OF THE LINES ON THIS
CHART, I THINK IT IS GREAT FOR
SIMPLIFICATION OF DISCUSSION
PERHAPS AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION
OF HOW FAR APART WE ARE FROM
OUR D PARTNERS.
WITH REGARD TO BLAST BALLS I GO
THE SAME CONCERNS, IF THERE
CONTINUED TO BE PERMITTED, IF
THEY ARE NOT BANNED BY ORDINANCE
THERE NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANT
CLARIFICATIONS IN POLICY THE
REALLY SPECIFY WHEN THEY CAN BE
USED, HOW THEY CAN BE USED AND
ADEQUATE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES
PROVIDED TO SPD OFFICERS SO
THAT WHEN THEY ARE DEPLOYED IN
APPROPRIATE CIRCUMSTANCES, IT
IS DONE SO BY SOMEBODY WHO HAS
HAD THE ABILITY TO PRACTICE AND
KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> LET ME TRY TO RESTATE OR
REFRAME THE QUESTION I'M
ASKING.
GIVEN THAT CPC HAS RECOMMENDED
BANNING, WHY DO THEY OPA AND
OIG THINK THEY SHOULD NOT BE
BANNED?
>> YEAH, I THINK THE
DISTINCTION, AND PERHAPS IT'S A
DISTINCTION WITHOUT A
DIFFERENCE, I AM NOT SAYING
THAT SPD SHOULDN'T CONSIDER
PROHIBITING THEM.
ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN PROTEST
CONTEXTS.
THE QUESTIONS WE WERE ASKED IS
SHOULD THEY BE BANNED BY
ORDINANCE?
NOT ALLOWING SPD TO HAVE ANY
LATITUDE IN PERHAPS A FULL-
SCALE RIOT SITUATION TO
AUTHORIZE THEM. IN GENERAL
PROTEST CONTEXTS, EVEN A
PROTEST THAT HAS PERSONS
COMMITTING VIOLENCE, I DON'T
NECESSARILY KNOW THAT WE THINK
USE OF BLAST BALLS IS
APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DISTINCTION
HELPS YOU ARE NOT.
BUT THE QUESTION BEFORE OIG
HERE WHEN WE MADE THIS
RECOMMENDATION IS, SHOULD THERE
BE LEGISLATION TO OUTRIGHT
PROHIBIT THEM?
THAT IS IN MY MIND A DIFFERENT
QUESTION THAN WHETHER SPD
SHOULD BY POLICY PROHIBIT THEM
OR SIGNIFICANTLY RESTRICT THEM.
I THINK THAT IS THE SAME
DISTINCTION I WOULD MAKE WITH
YOUR GAS.
ON THE CHART IT LOOKS LIKE WE
ARE IN OUTLIER WITH OUR
PARTNERS BUT I DON'T THINK WE
ARE.
I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO LEAVE
OPEN WITHOUT LEGISLATION THE
POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE
A FULL-SCALE DANGEROUS SITUATION
. I THINK WE USE THE CONTEXT OF
A PROTEST WHERE PROTESTERS ARE
ANGRY AND PROTESTING THE
GOVERNMENT OR POLICE.
BUT I CAN ENVISION A SCENARIO
WHERE THERE ARE PROTESTERS AND
COUNTER PROTESTERS THAT HAVE
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
GOVERNMENT THEN BECOMES
VIOLENT.
ALLOWING SPD TO HAVE TOOLS TO
DISPERSE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS
I THINK IS IMPORTANT JUST
PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
THAT SAID, THE NATURE OF TEAR
GAS AND THE IMPACTS IT HAS AND
THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT PEOPLE
WHO ARE NOT EVEN NEAR THE
PROTEST, WE WOULD ADD SO MANY
CAVEATS IT'S A VERY LIMITED
CIRCUMSTANCE, WE THINK IT
SHOULD BE AVAILABLE POTENTIALLY
FOR SPD BUT ALL OF THIS GETS
BACK TO HAVING CLEAR POLICIES,
CLEAR CRITERIA FOR WHEN THESE
THINGS ARE USED, AND I THINK
MOST IMPORTANTLY WHEN DECISIONS
ARE MADE TO DEPLOY THESE THAT
ARE NOT GOOD DECISIONS, THAT
ARE IMPROPER DECISIONS, THAT
THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME
ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE BACK END.
THE DEPLOYMENT OF TEAR GAS IS
GENERALLY COMMAND LEVEL
DECISION.
BUT I DON'T SEE MANY MECHANISMS
GOING BACK AND ASSESSING
WHETHER THOSE DECISIONS WERE
APPROPRIATE.
AND IF NOT, HAVING SOME
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THOSE.
I THINK THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE
IN THAT AREA.
>> COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD . IF
I MAY, ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE
THAT WE AT THE CPC BRING UP IS
UP A OFFICER DISCRETION AND THE
WEIGHTS USED IN A PROPERLY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TEAR GAS
AND BLAST BALLS.
WE HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD SINCE
2016 2017 URGED THE CITY AND
THE DEPARTMENT TO BAN BOTH OF
THESE ITEMS.
WITH NO EXCEPTION FOR PATROL
OPERATIONS.
BASED ON WHAT MY PARTNERS
APPOINTED TO IS TEAR GAS CAN
AFFECT PEOPLE NOT EVEN WITHIN
DEMONSTRATIONS.
THAT BLAST BALLS CAN HAVE AN
IMMEDIATE INDIVIDUAL HARM.
I HAVE SAT IN CONVERSATIONS
VIRTUALLY THROUGHOUT THESE PAST
FEW MONTHS OR HAVE LISTENED
COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WERE
SERIOUSLY INJURED BECAUSE OF
BLAST BALLS.
WHO WITNESSED THE HORROR OF
WHAT I CAN DO.
THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY
CLEAR, THOSE WERE DEMONSTRATING
IN THOSE NOT PARTICIPATING THAT
THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN
HAVING THE FIRST AMENDMENT
RIGHTS SUPPRESSED DURING THIS
TIME.
NOR DO WE WANT THIS IN THE
HANDS OF OFFICER DISCRETION
WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THAT
IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE.
WHETHER WE HAVE THEM SAY THE
DEPARTMENT WILL RE-ENVISION
THEIR POLICIES WHICH WE HAVE
YET TO DO.
AS A CITY, REALLY LISTEN TO THE
COMMUNITY FOR THESE CARPENTRY
POLICIES, MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS
WE MOVE FORWARD, HOW DO WE
BUILD TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY
IF WE ARE GOING TO SAY, WE ARE
GOING TO GIVE DISCRETION IN
THIS PARTICULAR AREA WHERE
THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE
VIOLENCE AND WHO DECIDES THAT?
WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A
RIOT THE BAR IS LOW.
THREE PEOPLE IN A CURRENT
DEFINITION.
THREE PEOPLE OUT OF POTENTIAL
CROWDS OF HUNDREDS, THAT IS NOT
A POLICY WE WOULD STAND BY
WHATSOEVER.
THE LEGISLATION PASSED EARLIER
THIS SUMMER WAS NOT PASSED
LIGHTLY.
WE KNOW YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
AND IT WAS DONE BESIDES BECAUSE
OF GROSS ABUSES BY SPD.
WE STILL MAINTAIN SUPPORT
COMPLETE BAN OF LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS OF TEAR GAS AND BLAST
BALLS.
I HOPE THAT CAN TALK ABOUT
COMMUNITY TRUST AND DISCRETION
WE HAVE NOT SEEN USED OVER THE
PAST MONTHS.
>> IF I COULD, MADAM CHAIR.
I THINK THOSE COMMENTS ARE
REALLY WELL MADE WITH
DEFINITION TO A RIOT AND LACK
OF CLARITY AROUND JUST THE
LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS. IF THERE
WERE POTENTIAL FOR LEGISLATION
TO CAREFULLY DEFINE THE
CRITERIA, THAT WOULD BE
HELPFUL.
>> MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT, I
DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN AREA
PREEMPTED, THERE IS A DEFINITION
OF A RIOT, WHAT RESTRICTS IT TO
, NOT RESTRICTS IT BUT DEFINES
IT AS, AS SMALL AS A GROUP OF
THREE PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS AN AREA
THAT THE CITY HAS PREEMPTED IN
TERMS OF A DIFFERENT DEFINITION
UNTIL SUCH TIME STATE LAW IS
CHANGED.
BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN
THAT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO
CREATE THAT VERY NARROW
EXCEPTION WITH THE HIGH BAR IS
SUGGESTED.
AT LEAST THAT LIMITS OUR
ABILITY TO DO THAT UNTIL AFTER
A SUCCESSFUL EFFORT IN THE
STATE LEGISLATURE AROUND THAT
ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WITH US
TODAY HAS LOOKED INTO WHETHER
OR NOT THE CITY OF SEATTLE HAS
CRAFTED IN THIS AREA.
>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO THE
LAST SLIDE WHICH I THINK WILL
THROW OUT A FEW TOPICS FOR
DISCUSSION.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND GET THE
FIRST BULLET POINT WHICH IS
RELEVANT TO WHAT WE HAVE JUST
BEEN DISCUSSING.
THE CHART, THE TABLE ON FLIGHT
THREE, I'M GLAD INSPECTOR
GENERAL JUDGE SPOKE TO THAT.
IS REALLY A VERY SIMPLISTIC WAY
OF SHOWING WHERE A BAND SHOULD
CONTINUE.
WE AS STAFF, HAVE TRIED VERY
HARD TO SHOW THAT THE
ACCOUNTABILITY AGENCIES HAVE
SERIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS AND A
LOT OF THEM, AND SERIES CAUTIONS
AND ALSO CAVEATS FOR HOW
WEAPONS COULD BE USED.
BUT, THE QUESTION I THINK THAT
IS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE OR
WOULD BE BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
WOULD BE SHOULD THE BAN BE
CHANGED?
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF THE
COUNCIL BILL AN ORDINANCE
CLEARED THE LEGAL HURDLES,
THERE WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE BAN
OF ALL LESS LETHAL WEAPONS IN
ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.
EXCEPT FOR THE ONE EXCEPTION
WITH THE PEPPER SPRAY.
I THINK THE QUESTION BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE, THE FIRST THRESHOLD
QUESTION IS, WHAT SHOULD REMAIN
BAN IF ANYTHING?
YOU'VE HONESTLY HEARD FROM THE
CBC THEY HAVE THEIR VIEWS ON
WHERE A BAN SHOULD CONTINUE.
THE OPA AND OIG HAVE DIFFERENT
VIEWS ON THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT IS THE FIRST
THRESHOLD QUESTION FOR THE
COMMITTEE, DOES A BAN CONTINUE
AND IF SO WHERE?
>> GREAT, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I
AM WONDERING IF MAYBE YOU
THOUGHT THIS THROUGH, AND I AM
SUGGESTING SOMETHING THAT IS
NOT USEFUL, BUT THERE IS A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AGREEMENT
ON CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH
DIFFERENT TOOLS SHOULD NOT BE
BANNED.
I AM WONDERING IF THAT IS
ANOTHER WAY TO WORK SORT OF AS
A STARTING POINT ON THE
ORDINANCE ITSELF.
IF THE COMMITTEE AGREES OR IF I
AS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE WANT
TO BRING BACK SOMETHING TO
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR
CONSIDERATION, SORT OF STARTING
AT THE POINT WHERE WE CLARIFY
THE INSTANCES IN WHICH THINGS
ARE BANNED, IN A WAY THAT IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE UNANIMITY
OF THOSE INSTANCES IN THE CHART
WHERE THERE IS UNANIMITY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY
GOOD APPROACH.
JUST FROM A FAIRLY TECHNICAL
PERSPECTIVE, THE FIRST THING
YOU NEED TO DO BEFORE YOU EVEN
GOT TO THAT POINT WOULD BE TO
REVERSE THE STATUTORY BAN ON
THOSE ITEMS YOU ARE RAISING.
MERELY TECHNICAL.
THAT IS SORT OF THE FIRST
QUESTION.
WOULD YOU REVERSE THE BAN?
AND THEN REACHING THE QUESTIONS
YOU ARE BRINGING UP, HOW WOULD
YOU DO THAT AND UNDER WHAT
CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT SORT OF
GETS TO THE SECOND AND THIRD
BULLETS, WOULD YOU ADDRESS
SPECIFIC LESS LETHAL WEAPONS IN
THE LEGISLATION IN SPECIFIC
USE CATEGORIES, AND THOSE COULD
BE ANY USE CATEGORIES, THEY
DON'T HAVE TO BE THE THREE AT
THE TABLE.
AND UNDER SPECIFIC POLICIES
THAT THE ACCOUNTABILITY
AGENCIES ARE PUTTING FORTH, THE
ONES THAT ARE MUCH MORE DETAILED
. AND THEN, SHOULD THOSE
POLICIES BE CODIFIED?
OR WITH THE COMMITTEE WANT TO
SET SOME PRINCIPLES OUT ABOUT
HOW LESS LETHAL WEAPONS MIGHT
BE USED REALLY A HIGH-LEVEL.
THINGS LIKE AS SPEEDY SPD IS
DEVELOPING POLICIES THEY SHOULD
PRIORITIZE LIFE SAFETY OR HUMAN
SAFETY OVER THAT OF PROPERTY
DESCRIPTION DESTRUCTION.
SETTING A HIGH-LEVEL AND
LEAVING IT TO THE AGENCY
THEMSELVES TO DEVELOP THE
SPECIFIC DETAILS REALLY
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT INSPECTOR
JUDGE WAS SAYING. SPECIFIC
OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES ABOUT
HOW EACH WEAPON MIGHT BE USED
IN EACH CONDITION.
THERE IS VARIOUS WAYS THE
COMMITTEE COULD DO IT.
THEY COULD ADOPT POLICIES, HIGH-
LEVEL PRINCIPLES, AUTHORIZE
CERTAIN WEAPONS, THESE ARE ALL
QUESTIONS I THINK YOU ALL WILL
WANT TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU ARE
THINKING ABOUT THE TOPIC OF PRE-
AUTHORIZING LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS.
>> THANK YOU.
AND SO, I JUST WANT TO SIGNAL MY
INTEREST IN CONSIDERING THE
AREAS IN WHICH THERE IS
UNANIMITY FROM THE
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS OF
THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE BANNED
IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK GREG, YOU'RE
ENCOURAGING US TO GRAPPLE WITH
THE HARD ISSUES FIRST.
I HAVE IT TENDENCY TO WANT TO
START WHERE THERE IS AGREEMENT.
BUT I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH.
AND WE HAVE TIME TO DO BOTH.
IF THERE IS INTEREST FROM MY
COLLEAGUES, AND SIGNALING
POLICY PREFERENCES IN ANY OF
THESE AREAS I'M HAPPY TO HEAR
THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO RECOGNIZE I JUST
LEARNED WE HAVE SPD REPRESENTED
HERE. REBECCA BOATRIGHT IS HERE.
I THINK THE INTRODUCTION WENT
TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO GET HER
IN.
I FOUND THAT FOR MY STAFF SHE
HAS JOINED US.
REBECCA, DO YOU WANT TO SAY
HELLO?
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS SO
FAR, WE ARE HAPPY TO HEAR THEM.
>> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO BE HERE.
I HAVE BEEN SITTING AND
LISTENING QUIETLY.
AND HAPPY TO ANSWER SPECIFIC
QUESTIONS AND RAISE SPECIFIC
POINTS. ONE OF THE THINGS
THOUGH THAT I WANT TO JUST
COUCH THIS CONVERSATION IN IS,
WE HAVE HAD PROTESTS IN THIS
CITY OF VARYING LEVELS OF
PEACEFULNESS SINCE ALMOST
NIGHTLY SINCE MAY 29.
IN THE MAJORITY OF THOSE
INSTANCES, NO FORCE HAS BEEN
USED.
WE HAVE NOT HAD A BLAST BALL
DEPLOYMENT SINCE I BELIEVE IT
WAS SEPTEMBER 29, DESPITE
ONGOING DAILY PROTESTS.
CERTAINLY WE HAVE BEEN
INDICATION WITH ACCOUNTABILITY
PARTNERS AND WE HAVE BEEN
LOOKING TO MODIFY TACTICS ALONG
THE WAY.
THE CONCERN I WANT TO RAISE ON
BEHALF OF SPD IS WE ARE
COMPLETELY OPEN TO HEARING
ALTERNATIVES.
FOR HOW TO POLICE THESE EVENTS.
WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE
CONCERNS AROUND BLAST BALLS.
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE
INSTANCES WHERE CREATING
SEPARATION AND SPACE EITHER
WITHIN THE CROWD OR BETWEEN THE
CROWD AND OFFICERS OR THE CROWD
AND COUNTER PROTESTERS IS
CRITICAL TO MAINTAIN AS MINIMAL
A THREAT TO LIFE AND PROPERTY
AS POSSIBLE.
TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO
TOOL THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS
SEPARATION THAT IS MORE VIABLE
THAN A BLAST BALL.
AND IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES
WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THOSE
AND WE REMAIN OR THE MILLING TO
ENGAGE IN THAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT THIS
COMES DOWN TO IS THE CITY NEEDS
TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO
HOW MUCH PROPERTY DAMAGE, HOW
MUCH DISRUPTION THE CITY IS
WILLING TO ACCEPT IN THE NAME
OF FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIVITY.
WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF
LOOKING AT THE CASE LAW AND
LOOKING AT THE ANALYSES THAT
ARE SET BY LAW.
BUT I THINK WE DO NEED SOME
DIRECTION ON THAT.
TO PUT INTO CONTEXT THE ISSUE
OF BLAST BALLS FOR PROPERTY
DAMAGE, AT WHAT POINT IS
SOMETHING THAT IS PROPERTY
DAMAGE, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT
BECOME A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE?
IF PEOPLE ARE BREAKING WINDOWS
AND INTENDING TO THROW MOLOTOV
COCKTAILS INSIDE AND SET
BUSINESSES ON FIRE WHEN THERE
ARE HOUSES ABOVE IS INTERVENING
PRIOR TO SOME OF BREAKING A
WINDOW, IS THAT JUST A PROPERTY
THREAT OR IS THAT A LIFE SAFETY
THREAD.
I THINK THE CONVERSATION IS
OUTSTANDING TO HAVE, I AM
HOPEFUL THAT THROUGH THE REVIEW
PROCESS WE CAN DIGEST THESE
ISSUES WITH COMMUNITY.
IT'S A VERY NUANCED DISCUSSION
AND MY CONCERN IS BY TALKING
ABOUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF
SPECIFIC TOOLS, WE MAY BE
CREATING THE CHOICE WHERE THERE
IS NO VIABLE OPTION TO INTERVENE
AGAINST CROWDS THAT ARE
BECOMING UNRULY AND DISRUPTIVE
IN THE FORM OF DAMAGE.
>> REBECCA, YOU ARE SPECIFYING
THE USE OF BLAST BALLS IS
IMPORTANT IN INSTANCES
SPECIFICALLY WHERE YOU NEED TO
SEPARATE PEOPLE, IS THAT
CORRECT?
AND FOR INSTANCE IN A SITUATION
WHERE YOU HAVE TWO GROUPS OF
COUNTER PROTESTERS, I AM TRYING
TO UNDERSTAND WHY A BLAST BALL
IS A BETTER INTERVENTION THEN,
THEN POLICE PERSONNEL SEPARATING
, PHYSICALLY SEPARATING FOLKS
AND CREATING LINES AS WE HAVE
SEEN BEFORE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO
STAND BEHIND.
WHEN THERE IS OPPOSING SIDES.
>> I MEAN, IT'S OPERATIONALLY,
FIRST OF ALL, WE ONLY HAVE SO
MANY PERSONNEL AND WE ALSO KNOW
IN MANY INSTANCES WHERE THE
GOVERNMENT IS THE TARGET ON BOTH
SIDES.
INCREASING POLICE PRESENCE AS
WE HAVE HEARD CAN L.E.A.D.
TO GREATER ESCALATION.
WE ALWAYS SEEK TO MINIMIZE THE
NEED TO GO HANDS-ON WITH
SOMEBODY.
THE MORE YOU GO HANDS-ON THE
LESS YOU LOSE CONTROL OF THE
SITUATION.
>> YEAH, I'M JUST, THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT HAS ENGAGED IN
SEPARATING GROUPS OF PROTESTERS,
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN EVERY
PROTEST BUT I DON'T RECALL,
WHAT I RECALL HAPPENING IS
PEOPLE ARE PHYSICALLY SEPARATED
RATHER THAN BLAST BALLS BEING
USED AND IN INSTANCES WHERE
HAVE BEEN WATCHING ON VIDEO
BLAST BALLS BEING USED, I'M NOT
OPERATIONALLY SAYING HOW THEY
HAVE FUNCTIONED SEPARATING
PEOPLE.
I HAVE SEEN A BEEN USED TO
SCATTER PEOPLE, BUT THAT IS
DIFFERENT THAN MOVING A GROUP
OF PEOPLE AWAY FROM A
PARTICULAR LOCATION I THINK
ROOM FOR MORE CONVERSATION AND
GREATER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE
OPERATIONAL USE AND NEED FOR
THEIR USE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE
OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS
WELL AS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT
WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THE CPC
MANY YEARS OF ADVOCATING FOR
THEIR BANNING AS WELL AS PEOPLE
WE ARE HEARING FROM VARIOUS
REVIEWS ASSOCIATED WITH RECENT
PROTESTS INCLUDING AS WAS
MENTIONED THE SENTINEL REVIEW.
>> AND I DO WANT TO JUST,
CAUTION, THAT WE ARE STILL VERY
EARLY ON IN THE REVIEW PHASES
OF THESE EVENTS.
THERE IS LITIGATION THROUGH
WHICH FACTS WILL BE FLESHED
OUT.
THERE IS INFORMATION THAT HAS
BEEN RELAYED TO SPD THAT WE ARE
NOT AT LIBERTY TO SHARE BECAUSE
IT COMES FROM OUTSIDE ENTITIES.
THERE IS A WHOLE HOST OF
FACTUAL CONTEXT THAT WILL
ULTIMATELY BEAR ON THE FINAL
REVIEWS, SOME OF THE EVENTS FOR
EXAMPLE WHICH ELICITED FROM
INDUS PUBLIC OUTCRY WERE FOUND
BY OPA TO BE ON SUSTAINED. THE
SENTINEL EVENT REVIEW PROCESS
WILL PROVIDE FOR CONTEXT AROUND
ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
AS A DEPARTMENT WE HAVEN'T HAD
AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY DIGEST
EACH OF THESE INCIDENTS BECAUSE
OF THE ONGOING NATURE.
I JUST EXPRESS THAT IS SPD'S
PERSPECTIVE.
>> WHAT WE HAVE YOU HERE, CAN
YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING
PARALLEL TO THE COUNCIL'S REVIEW
IN THE ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES
TO POLICY, DRAFT POLICY CHANGES
THAT HAVE BEEN CIRCULATING WITH
THE CPC AND OTHER OVERSIGHT
BODIES, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO NOW
OR MAYBE A COUPLE MONTHS
BEFORE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
PUT OUT A BLOTTER POST STATING
THAT THERE WERE CHANGES TO USE
OF FORCE AND CALLED CROWD
CONTROL POLICIES, THOSE WEREN'T
OUT PUBLICLY, ALTHOUGH THERE
WAS A BLOTTER POST ANNOUNCING
THEM.
AND, I SUBSEQUENTLY FOLLOWED UP
WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO
RECEIVE COPIES, I THINK THEY
ARE OUT IN THE PUBLIC NOW
BECAUSE OF MEDIA REPORTS.
BUT, GIVEN THAT THE COUNCIL IS
DELIBERATING ON LEGISLATION,
AMENDMENTS TO EXISTING
LEGISLATION THAT WILL THEN HAVE
TO GO TO THE COURT FOR THEIR
REVIEW AND INPUT, THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT IS DEVELOPING NEW
POLICIES THAT THEY ARE ALSO
WORKING WITH OUR ACCOUNTABILITY
PARTNERS IN REVIEWING AND THAT
THERE IS AN OVERLAP ON SOME OF
THESE ISSUES, HOW DO YOU SEE
THAT MOVING FORWARD?
>> SURE.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO THE POLICIES WE ARE PUTTING
OUT ARE NOT NEW POLICIES.
ALL OF OUR POLICIES ARE ONLINE
AND PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
EVERY YEAR WE DO A REVIEW OF
SOME OF OUR CORE POLICIES,
SPECIFICALLY AROUND USE OF
FORCE.
THAT IS ON AN ANNUAL REVIEW
CYCLE, WE ACCEPT
RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGHOUT THE
YEAR WHETHER THROUGH AN AUDIT,
OPA MANAGEMENT ACTION OR FORCE
REVIEW BOARD RECOMMENDATION.
WE COMPILE THE FEEDBACK AND WE
EDIT POLICY, WE REVISE POLICY
ACCORDINGLY AS PART OF OUR
REGULAR ITERATIVE REVIEW AND
LEARNING FROM INCIDENTS OVER
úTHE PRIOR YEAR.
AROUND THIS TIME EACH YEAR, WE
PUT OUT DRAFT REVISIONS TO
THESE POLICIES.
AND INCREASINGLY OVER TIME THEY
BECOME, IT BECOMES ESSENTIALLY
TWEAKS TO POLICY BECAUSE YOU
HAVE REACHED THIS POINT OF
REFORM.
THOSE POLICIES THEN GO TO THE
DOJ AND MONITORING TEAM, THE
OIG, OPA AND CPC FOR THEIR
REVIEW, THEIR REDLINES, THEIR
COMMENTS TO THOSE POLICIES.
THIS YEAR WE ARE EXPECTING THAT
FEEDBACK IN MID-JANUARY, I
BELIEVE.
FOLLOWING THAT WE GENERALLY SIT
DOWN WITH THE ACCOUNTABILITY
PARTNERS AND WITH OPA, I AM
SORRY, WITH THE DOJ AND THE
MONITORING TEAM AND MEET FLESH
THROUGH THE POLICY CHANGES.
WE THEN SUBMIT THEM TO THE
COURT FOR THE COURT'S APPROVAL.
AND THE SAME THING STARTS ALL
OVER AGAIN.
WE START COLLECTING
RECOMMENDATIONS AND THOSE WILL
INFORM NEXT YEAR'S ITERATION.
WITH RESPECT TO CROWD
MANAGEMENT, I THINK WHAT WE
LEARNED THIS SUMMER IS THAT WE
NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF
ARTICULATING OUR CROWD
MANAGEMENT POLICY.
AND THERE WERE SUBSTANTIAL
LESSONS LEARNED OVER THE SUMMER
AND THAT WE CONTINUE TO LEARN
FROM OPA IN THE OIG.
AND SOME OF THE LITIGATION
ENSUING THAT IS REFORMING THE
REVISIONS TO THOSE POLICIES.
THE CROWD MANAGEMENT POLICY YOU
WILL SEE IS QUITE A BIT MORE
REVISED THIS YEAR AND UPDATED
AND SUBSTANTIVE THAN IN PRIOR
YEARS.
LESS SO WITH THE USE OF FORCE
POLICIES.
BUT THE CROWD MANAGEMENT POLICY
AS WELL WILL GO THROUGH THE
SAME REVIEW CYCLE WITH
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS AND THE
FEDERAL MONITOR AND THE DOJ.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
DISCUSSION OVER THE PAST FEW
YEARS AS TO HOW WE GET
COMMUNITY INPUT INTO SPD POLICY
AND SPD TRAINING?
I BELIEVE PART OF THE PURPOSE OF
THE CPC WAS TO CREATE THAT BODY
IS THE FORM FOR ENGAGING WITH
COMMUNITY, SEEKING COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT WITH SPD.
OPA AND OIG AS WELL HAVE THEIR
COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALISTS.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE HEAR A LOT
FROM COMMUNITY, WE RECEIVE
EMAILS, LETTERS, REALLY ACROSS
THE WHOLE RANGE OF OPINION.
WE TRY TO BALANCE THOSE AS
WELL.
SO, AS SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS
HAVE HAD A PAST PRACTICE OF
PUTTING UP POLICIES FOR REVIEW
BY THE COMMUNITY, AND GIVEN
WHERE WE ARE IN THE CONSENT
DECREE PROCESS AND THE CLEAR
INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY IN
REVIEWING THESE POLICIES, WE
MADE THE DECISION TO GIVE IT A
TRY AND PUT THE POLICIES OUT
PUBLICLY FOR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK
AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, SHAYLEEN
MORRIS, I SEE YOUR HAND IS UP.
>> ONLY TALK ABOUT THE WAYS IN
WHICH OFFICERS SHOW UP AT A
DEMONSTRATION, WE MENTIONED IN
THE REPORT THAT SEATTLE HAS
OVER 300 DEMONSTRATIONS PER
YEAR.
OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THE
CITY NEEDS TO TAKE A HARD LOOK
AT HOW THEY SHOW UP, AT WHAT
PARTICULAR DEMONSTRATIONS AND
WHO IS DEMONSTRATING, THE ONES
THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE
RECENT MONTHS, WE TALK ABOUT IT
AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT BUT
SPECIFICALLY THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
THE POLICE SHOW UP IN ORDER TO
ENSURE SAFETY WITHIN THE
PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS.
SOMETIMES COUNTER PROTESTERS,
BUT WE HEAR FROM COMMUNITY AND
ALSO SEE IS SOMETIMES OFFICERS
SHOW UP IN RIGHT GEAR BUT OF
COUNTER PROTESTERS ARE PRESENT,
WHO ARE THEY FACING?
WE ARE ALL IN THIS VIRTUAL
SPACE, VERY AWARE OF WHO THEY
ARE FACING SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHO
THEY ARE WATCHING.
I WOULD URGE EVERYONE TO PAY
ATTENTION TO THE VIDEOS, PEOPLE
HAVE SPOKEN OUT ABOUT THIS AND
PICTURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN ON
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND LET'S HAVE AN HONEST
CONVERSATION WITH COMMUNITY AND
GET THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEIR
FEELINGS AND THEIR EXPERIENCES
ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, FOR
THEM, INSTEAD OF US TALKING
ABOUT IT.
I WASN'T PRESENT FOR THOSE
DEMONSTRATIONS.
I'D LIKE FOR THOSE VOICES TO BE
UPLIFTED AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
ON THE SECOND PIECE I LIKE TO
MENTION, I THINK BECCA
BOATRIGHT DID A GOOD JOB OF
MENTIONING WE ARE THE CPC, WE
ARE PUT TOGETHER IN ORDER TO
UPLIFT THE COMMUNITY, TOGETHER
VOICES AND MAKE SURE THERE'S A
PLATFORM TO BE HEARD.
I WOULD SAY IN THE SPIRIT OF
THAT PARTNERSHIP AND THE WAY WE
WERE FORMED, HE WOULD LOVE TO
CONTINUE TO HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE HOW THAT
WORKS.
IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE AGREED
ON AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET
THE OBJECTIVES IN THE WAY THAT
WORKS INSTEAD OF POTENTIALLY
BEING TOLD, THIS IS THE WAY WE
LIKE TO ENGAGE WITH COMMUNITY.
LET US DECIDE THAT.
WE TALKED TO COMMUNITY, THEY
SPEAK TO REST, LET THEM DECIDE
HOW THEY WANT TO ENGAGE THE
DEPARTMENT.
HOW THEY LIKE TO ENGAGE THE
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS, CBC
INCLUDED AN COUNCIL.
AS I HAVE SEEN THUS FAR I THINK
WE COULD ALL BE DOING A BETTER
PARTNER JOB OF LISTENING TO
EACH OTHER TO ENSURE THE
COMMUNITY, EVEN DURING A TIME
WHERE WE HAVE ZOO MEETINGS AND
IT IS VIRTUAL BECAUSE OF COVID,
WE CAN STILL BE IN THE
COMMUNITY.
WE HEARD THE PREVIOUS
CONVERSATION AND ALL OF THE
ORGANIZATIONS LISTED COMING
TOGETHER DO GREAT WORK.
AT THE CPC WE HAVE THESE
RELATIONSHIPS, SO DOES EIJI, SO
DOES THE COUNCIL.
WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN
GO INTO THE PARTICULAR
COMMUNITIES, HAVE THESE
CONVERSATIONS AND REPORT BACK.
IN ADDITION, WHEN WE HAVE THESE
CONVERSATIONS, HOW DO WE KNOW
WHICH THINGS WILL BE
IMPLEMENTED AND WHICH WILL NOT
AND THE JUSTIFICATIONS.
WE SHOULD BE REPORTING TO OUR
COMMUNITIES AND PARTNERS, THIS
IS WHAT YOU SAID, WE WILL PUT
THIS OUT PUBLICLY AND LET YOU
KNOW WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS
DECIDED TO DO IN PARTNERSHIP
DURING THE CONSENT DECREE
PROCESS WITH THE DOJ AND WHY.
NEED TO TELL PEOPLE WHY AND HOW.
I DON'T THINK WE ARE DOING THAT
ALL THE WAY.
I WOULD LOVE FOR CPC TO
CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO
REALLY AND FULLY STEP INTO OUR
ROLE AND MAKE SURE THE
COMMUNITY IS HEARD AND SEEN.
I THINK THAT WAS IT..
>> THANK YOU.
WE REALLY PATIENT THOSE WORDS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A
LOT OF DISCOMFORT FROM THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT AS IT RELATES
TO OUT AND OUT BANS ON SOME OF
THESE LESS LETHAL WEAPONS.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT SEATTLE
IS NOT AN OUTLIER IN HAVING
THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
LEGISLATIVE BANS.
EARLIER THIS SUMMER, SOME CITIES
DID SO, MOST RECENTLY
PHILADELPHIA ON OCTOBER 29,
BANNED THE USE OF TEAR GAS OR
BALLISTIC PEPPER SPRAY ON
PROTESTERS.
BOSTON THIS WEEK PASSED AN
ORDINANCE PIVOTING THE USE OF
IMPACT PROJECTILES AND CHEMICAL
CROWD CONTROL WEAPONS WITH
LITTLE EXCEPTIONS IN THEIR BILL.
I APPRECIATE THAT SPD IS WITH
US HERE TODAY.
I APPRECIATE THEIR ENGAGEMENT
WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO NOTE IN THE DRAFT
REVISIONS ON POLICIES I
MENTIONED EARLIER, I'M SORRY I
DIDN'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THEIR
NEW POLICIES, THEY ARE CHANGES
TO EXISTING POLICIES, THEY DO
HAVE A LINK TO A SURVEY TO
PROVIDE FEEDBACK WHICH THEY ARE
ACCEPTING THROUGH JANUARY 8.
THEY'RE NOT JUST REACHING OUT
TO ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS, BUT
ALSO TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
IN RECEIVING INPUT FROM MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC.
THAT INFORMATION IS CONTAINED
IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE
DRAFT REVISIONS, I DON'T HAVE
THE WEB ADDRESS NOW BUT IT'S
EASILY FOUND.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IF
THERE ARE THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS FOR MANY OF MY
COLLEAGUES ON THIS COMMITTEE.
>> REALLY QUICKLY.
COUNCILMEMBER, YOU HAD ASKED A
BIT AGO WHETHER WE WANTED TO
SIGNAL A PREFERENCE IN TERMS OF
DIRECTION, AND I JUST WANTED TO
SIGNAL MY INTEREST IN LOOKING AT
WHAT I THINK YOU'RE DESCRIBING
WHICH IS A POTENTIAL SUBSTITUTE
BILL THAT WOULD REPLACE THE
PREVIOUSLY PAST ORDINANCE THAT
IS THE SUBJECT OF CURRENT
LITIGATION.
AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
EXPLORING LEGISLATION AS YOU
HAVE DESCRIBED, ONE THAT SORT
OF ALLOWS US TO MEMORIALIZE
SOME OF THE CREDIBILITY
PARTNERS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS
IN THIS SPACE TO MEMORIALIZE
AREAS OF WHERE THERE IS CURRENT
AGREEMENTS.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD PLACE
FOR US TO START.
AND OF COURSE, IT MEANS WE WILL
HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH SOME OF
THE AREAS IN WHICH THERE IS NOT
UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT.
WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
CONTINUE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
ABOUT HOW TO RECONCILE THE
DIFFERENCES IN SORT OF WHAT
CRITERIA ARE WHAT INFORMATION
WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING.
AS POLICYMAKERS.
TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT
HOW TO RECONCILE THOSE AREAS IN
WHICH THERE ISN'T AGREEMENT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IF IN THOSE
AREAS IT WOULD BE WISE FOR
EXAMPLE TO SUBMIT PROPOSALS
THROUGH THE CONSENT DECREE
PROCESS OR DO ADDITIONAL
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
I'M JUST NOT QUITE SURE WHAT
THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I WANT TO SIGNAL MY INTEREST IN
MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
THANK YOU.
>> WE HAVE SOME TIME TO CONSIDER
HOW WE WANT TO GET MORE
ASSISTANCE TO DECISION-MAKERS
ON THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE AREAS
WHERE THERE IS NOT 100%
AGREEMENT ON THE PART OF OUR
CREDIBILITY PARTNERS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO
CENTRAL STAFF AND TALKING WITH
EACH OF YOU ABOUT YOUR IDEAS,
WE APPRECIATE KNOWING THAT YOU
AGREE THAT STARTING WITH IN
SOME WAYS, LOW HANGING FRUIT,
IN OTHER WAYS SIGNALING WE ARE
MOVING AWAY FROM A TOTAL BAN
WITH AMENDING THE LEGISLATION
IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE IS
UNIFIED AGREEMENT THAT THERE
SHOULD NOT BE A BAN IN
PARTICULAR USES.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCURRENCE
WITH THAT AS A FIRST STEP.
I HOPE, OUR COLLEAGUES ALSO
AGREE, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A
SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT TO
MAKE IN THIS INITIAL MEETING.
WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO DO.
I WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT
CENTRAL STAFF HAS REMINDED US
THAT WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER
WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE HIGH-
LEVEL PRINCIPLES THAT WE SHOULD
CONSIDER CODIFYING.
I DON'T WANT, TO THE EXTENT
THAT THERE IS AGREEMENT, I
DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE PATH
OF CODIFYING OPERATIONAL
PRACTICES.
BUT, IN SOME CASES CODIFYING
HIGH-LEVEL PRINCIPLES FOR USE
OF LESS LETHAL WEAPONS IN THOSE
INSTANCES IN WHICH WE ARE
ALLOWING THE CONTINUED USE IS
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO
CONSIDER WHICH INCIDENCES,
WHICH INSTANCES WE WANT TO DO
THAT.
>> ON THAT POINT, I WOULD FIND
IT HELPFUL, I WAS TRAINED TO DO
A LITTLE RESEARCH DURING THE
DISCUSSION, IF COUNCIL CENTRAL
STAFF COULD SPEND SOME TIME
HOW OTHER JURISDICTIONS,
WHETHER HERE IN THE STATES OR
ABROAD, BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT EXISTS ACROSS THE WORLD,
NOT JUST IN THE U.S., I THINK
IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO
HAVE A SENSE OF HOW OTHER
JURISDICTIONS ARE ADDRESSING
THE USE, THE POTENTIAL
REGULATION OF LESS LETHAL
WEAPONS. I JUST THINK THAT
COULD BE A HELPFUL EXERCISE AS
WE CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT BOTH
THE PRINCIPLES PUT YOUR
HIGHLIGHTING IT ALSO DEALING
WITH POTENTIALLY SUBSTANTIVE
ISSUES OF HOW, WHETHER CERTAIN
THINGS SHOULD BE COMPLETELY
BANNED, WHETHER OTHER THINGS
SHOULD BE REGULATED.
AND SO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE
HELPFUL EXERCISE BOTH FOR US AS
POLICYMAKERS BUT ALSO MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL TO GET
A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
THE LATE OF THE LAND IS NOW
POST MANY INCIDENTS ACROSS THE
WORLD.
I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT
PIECE OF RESEARCH THAT THE OIG
I THINK LAID A GROUNDWORK BACK
IN AUGUST, THEY DID SOME
RESEARCH ON OTHER
JURISDICTIONS.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, MUCH HAS
CHANGED.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO RETURN TO
THAT BODY OF WORK THAT THE OIG
DID AND LOOK AT HOW WE MAY
CONSIDER OTHER JURISDICTIONS
THAT MAY HAVE UPDATED LAWS AND
POLICIES.
IN THE INTERIM.
I THINK IN SOME INSTANCES SOME
JURISDICTIONS PROPOSED A
DISTILLATION THE DIDN'T PASS,
JUST BECAUSE IT DIDN'T PASS, I
STILL THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
TO LOOK AT IT EVEN IF IT WASN'T
ULTIMATELY PASSED.
I THINK ASSEMBLY BILL SIX WAS
FLOATED IN CALIFORNIA, I DON'T
THINK IT ULTIMATELY PASSED.
BUT I THINK BOTH LAWS SUCCESSFUL
AND THOSE INITIALLY PROPOSED
THAT MAY HAVE NOT NEEDED INTO
LAW WOULD STILL BE HELPFUL.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, AGAIN,
I AM SORRY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU
ARE ON MUTE.
THAT IS ASSIGNED YOU MIGHT WANT
TO SPEAK.
>> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS
TIME.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS?
I AM NOT SEEING ANY.
ANY OTHER PARTNERS WANT TO SPEAK
BEFORE I WRAP THINGS UP.
GREAT.
WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR
US.
DEFINITELY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
PARTNERSHIP.
OF THE OPA, OIG AND CBC AS WELL
AS THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COUNCIL
AND THE WORK DONE THUS FAR BY
STAFF.
THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
JUST TO LET FOLKS KNOW THE NEXT
PUBLIC SAFETY AND HUMAN
SERVICES COMMITTEE WILL BE
SCHEDULED FOR THE NEW YEAR IN
JANUARY.
AGAIN, THERE ARE NOT ANY
FURTHER REMARKS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS
, THANK YOU, AND WE ARE
ADJOURNED.