>>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M LORENA
GONZALEZ, WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ.
>> COUNT HERE. >> HERE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER SAWANT.
COUNCIL STRAUSS.
>> PRESENT.
>> THREE PRESENT.
>>> THE CITY COUNCIL DOES
RESERVE TO END AND ELIMINATE
THE COMMENT PERIOD IF I DEEMS
THAT IT IS KEEPING US FROM
MODERATING OUR MEETINGS
EFFECTIVELY.
THE COMMENT PERIOD IS 20
MINUTES WITH TWO MINUTES FOR
EACH SPEAKER.
I WILL CALL ON EACH SPEAKER.
YOU CAN SIGN UP BEFORE THE END
OF THIS COMMENT PERIOD BY GOING
TO CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE BY
GOING TO OUR WEBSITE.
ONCE YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, YOU
CAN UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX SO WE CAN
HEAR YOU.
YOU MUST PRESS STAR SIX IN
ORDER TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
PLEASE BEGIN BY STATING YOUR
NAME, THE ITEM YOU'RE
ADDRESSING AND REMEMBER PUBLIC
COMMENT SHOULD RELATE TO AN
ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
DURING THE PERIOD COMMENT YOU
SHOULD HEAR A TIME.
AND THAT CHIME IS THERE'S TEN
SECOND LEFT OF THE TWO MINUTES
THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR YOU.
PLEASE LISTEN FOR THAT CHIME
AND BE MINDFUL IN WRAPPING UP
YOUR COMMENTS.
IF YOU DO NOT WRAP UP YOUR
COMMENTS AT THE END OF YOUR
TIME ALLOTTED, YOUR MICROPHONE
WILL BE MUTED.
ONCE YOU'VE COMPLETED YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE
DISCONNECT FROM THE LINE AND
YOU CAN CONTINUE FOLLOWING THIS
MEETING IN ON OUR SEATTLE
CHANNEL.
WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN WITH THE
FIRST SPEAKER.
THE FIRST SPEAKER IS DAVID
HAYNES.
WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU, DAVID HAYNES.
THIS RESOLUTION 32029 SHOULD BE
REJECTED OUT OF PRINCIPLE.
IT WAS INTRODUCED AFTER COUNCIL
LOST ELECTION WHO NOW WANTS TO
CHANGE THE RULES FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT AND SHORTEN A WORKWEEK
TO ACCOMMODATE A FOUR DAY
WEEKEND.
IF CITY COUNCIL STAFF DOESN'T
LIKE TO WORK FOR THE PEOPLE
THEY SHOULD FIND ANOTHER LINE
OF WORK.
THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN
ABUSING VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO GO BACK
TO WORK.
THIS DEMOCRACY IS NOT COUNCILS
AND THEIR STAFFS ALONE.
IT'S THE PEOPLE'S DEMOCRACY AND
YOU'RE FURTHER LIMITING ACCESS
TO OUR DEMOCRACY WITH THIS
RESOLUTION THAT WAS INTRODUCED
BY A POLITICIAN WHO IS TAKING
AWAY FROM OUR RESOLUTION.
ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PEOPLE
ROSE UP AGAINST COUNCIL.
YET WE'RE WITNESSING NONSTOP
EFFORTS TO FURTHER UNDER MINE
OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR SAFETY AND
THE COMMUNITY IN A SPITEFUL
DISINGENERALLOUS.
DISINGENIOUS.
BY THIS COUNCIL'S AGENDA.
E NEED A RULE OF LAW THAT
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO
COMPLETELY CHANGE THE RULES FOR
OUR CITY COUNCIL IN BETWEEN A
LAME DUCK COUNCIL THAT WAS
REJECTED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
STILL BEING BACK STAB BED BY
THE COUNCIL.
THIS COUNCIL SHOWS UP ON
TUESDAY, LEAVES EARLY
ONTHURSDAY.
SHAMEFUL TO BACK STAB OF OUR
DEMOCRACY.
MAYBE WE NEED A LAW THAT
GOVERNMENT, STAFF AND
POLITICIANS REMAIN SOBER SO
THEY DON'T GET UPSET HAVING TO
DO WORK ON WEEKENDS UNDER THE
INFLUENCE OR SHOW UP HUNG OVER
ON MONDAY MORNING.
WAITING TO COME IN LATER OR
NEXT DAY LIKE BUMS.
STOP CONSPIRING TO MANIPULATE
THE.
>> IT, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER
REGISTRANTS ON MY LIST.
CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THAT
THERE ISN'T ANYONE WAITING IN
THE WAITING ROOM.
>> AFFIRMATIVE, THERE ARE NO
MORE PUBLIC COMMENT
REGISTRANTS.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH
WITH THAT BEING SAID WE WILL
NOW CLOSE OUT THE PERIOD OF
PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO
OTHER ITEMS OF BUSINESS ON OUR
AGENDA.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM OF
BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA.
I WILL ASK THAT THE CLERK
PLEASE READ ITEM ONE ON TO THE
RECORD.
>> ITEM ONE RESOLUTION 32029 A
RESOLUTION ADOPTING GENERAL
RULES THE SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL
SUPERCEDING RESOLUTION 320.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I HAVE INVITED ALL CITY COUNCIL
TO ATTEND THIS MEETING TO AMEND
THE COUNCIL RULES.
I WANT TO MAKE JUST A FEW
INTRODUCTORY REMARKS ON THIS
ITEM AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO
CITY CLERK MONICA MARTINEZ
SIMMONS AND OTHERS WHO ARE
GOING TO PROVIDE IN A REVIEW OF
TODAY'S BRIEFING.
OUR CITY CLERK WILL BE JOINED
BY ELIZABETH ADKINSON WHO IS
THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THE
OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
AND SHE WILL BE JOINED BY OUR
CENTRAL HEALTH DIRECTOR WHO
WILL PERFORM A BRIEFING ON THIS
MATTER AS WELL.
TODAY WE WILL BE BRIEFED ON THE
PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS BY A
STAFF GROUP BY INPUT BY
STAFFOFFICES.
WE WILL ALWAYS BRING UP OTHER
ITEMS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
BROUGHT FORWARD.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN
INVITED TO THE GOVERNESS
GOVERNESS MEETING.
WE WILL TAKE ACTION ON THE
RESOLUTION TO ADOPT CHANGES AT
THAT DECEMBER 8th MEETING OF
THIS COMMITTEE.
THE RESOLUTION WILL BE
CONSIDERED BY THE FULL COUNCIL
AT OUR DECEMBER 13th CITY
COUNCIL MEETING AT 2:00 P.M.
THIS YEAR OF COURSE MORE THAN
MOST WE HAVE SEVERAL
SUBSTANTIAL PROPOSED CHAINS TO
THE COUNCIL RULES.
AND IT IS MY HOPE AND GOAL FOR
TODAY'S COMMITTEE MEETING THAT
WE WALK AWAY WITH SOME
SUBSTANTIVE FEED BACK ON HOW
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE
COUNCIL RULES CHANGE FOR THE
BETTER VIA THIS RESOLUTIONI
WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU
ABOUT THE COUNCIL RULES.
NOW GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO
OUR CITY CLERK MONICA MARTINEZ
SIMMONS TO KICK IT OFF.
AND YOU ARE MUTED.
MA'AM CLERK.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER AND
GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEMBERS
AND COLLEAGUES.
JOINING ME FOR THE PRESENTATION
TODAY ARE MEMBER
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNCIL
RULES REVIEW WORKING GROUP.
AS STATED ELIZABETH ADKINSON
DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF
CLERK AND DIRECTOR OF COUNCIL
CITY STAFF THE GROUP IS
COMPRISED OF THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT'S DECEMBER DESIGNEE
CODY RYDER, GARY SMITH AND
BRANDON ISLA.
THE FULL WORKING GROUP CONVENED
BETWEEN SEPTEMBER AND NOVEMBER
OF 2021 TO REVIEW PROPOSED
CHANGES TO THE RULES AND TO
PREPARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
CONSIDERATION BY THE CITY
COUNCIL.
TODAY OUR ABBREVIATED TEAM IF
YOU WILL WILL PROVIDE A SUMMARY
OF THE WORKING REVIEW PROCESS
AND HIGHLIGHT THE PROPOSED
CHANGES AND ALSO REVIEW THE
PROCESS FOR ANY AMENDMENTS THAT
MAY BE REQUESTED BY THE CITY
COUNCIL MEMBERS MOVING FORWARD.
PROPOSALS THERE ARE SOME
PROPOSALS THAT HAVE NOT YET
BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE
PROPOSED RESOLUTION AS WE
BELIEVE AS A WORKING GROUP THAT
THEY WANT FURTHER DISCUSSION
AND DELIBERATION BY THE CITY
COUNCIL.
THAT PROCESS AGAIN WILL BE
REVIEWED BY DIRECTOR HANDY.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD JUST
TO NOTE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD THAT HAS BEEN IN EFFECT
WILL BE RUNNING THROUGH
DECEMBER 11th AND ANY WRITTEN
PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAS BEEN
RECEIVED BY OUR OFFICE IS
DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL
UPON RECEIPT.
SO YOU WILL BE RECEIVING THAT
AS WE GO THROUGH THE 11th.
AGAIN PLEASE FEEL FREE TO
ANSWER, TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR
SEEK CLARIFICATION AS WE'RE
MAKING THE PRESENTATIONS OF
THESE ITEMS AND WE TOO
ENCOURAGE YOUR JUST YOUR FULL
ENGAGEMENT, PLEASE SHARE YOUR
DIRECT FEED BACK AND OPINIONS
WITH US.
THAT WILL BETTER INFORM HOW WE
CAN DEVELOP FURTHER
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COMING
FROM THE COUNCIL.
SO WE ENCOURAGE THAT.
AT THIS TIME I WILL GO AHEAD
AND TURN THE TIME OVER TO
ELIZABETH AND THEN ELIZABETH
WILL BE FOLLOWED BY OUR
DIRECTOR HANDY.
THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
>> THANK YOU MONICA AND GOOD
AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AS A BRIEF OVERVIEW AGAIN OF
OUR TIME LINE AND PROCESS THIS
IS OUR BIANNUAL REVIEW OF THE
COUNCIL RULES WHICH IS
PRESCRIBED IN THE RULES
THEMSELVESLESS.
AND SO 2021 WAS THE NEXT YEAR
TO GO THROUGH THIS CYCLE.
WE STARTED OFF IN SEPTEMBER
WITH THE WORKING GROUP REVIEW
AND PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT
HAD BEEN COLLECTED OVER THE
PAST TWO YEARS FOR POTENTIAL
ADDRESSING THROUGH THIS CYCLE.
AND BROUGHT FORWARD A
RESOLUTION THAT INCORPORATED A
NUMBER OF THESE IEAS AND
INTRODUCED TO
THE CITY COUNCIL ON
NOVEMBER 15th.
AS MONICA MENTIONED, THIS IS
ONE WE ALSO OPENED UP TO PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD WHICH WILL
CONTINUE THROUGH DECEMBER 11th
AND INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS AND
ALSO TO ATTEND THREE MEETINGS
AND PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THE GOVERNANCE AND EDUCATION
COMMITTEE WE WILL HAVE A
MEETING ON DECEMBER 4th AND A
MEETING ON DECEMBER 8th WHEN IS
WHEN WE WILL EXPECT
HEARINGAMENDMENTS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIAL
ADOPTION AT THAT TIME.
INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT
HAS BEEN PRESENTED ARE A NUMBER
OF PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS.
LIKE HOLDING PUBLIC MEETINGS
INTO THE FUTURE.
AND THOSE WOULD BE MEETING
WHERE THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC
ASPECT AND VIRTUAL ASPECT.
THOSE ITEMS ARE PUT INTO THE
RULES.
IT ALSO INCLUDES SPONSORSHIP AT
LEGISLATION AND AMENDMENTS
THERE TOO.
IT ALSO IMPOSES MEMBERSHIP,
PARTICIPATION AND RULES
ANDCOMMITTEE MEMBERS AND
NONCOMMITTEE MEMBERS IN OUR
STRUCTURE THAT WE ADOPT EVERY
TWO YEARS.
IT MAKES A FEW PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS TO OUR PROCEDURES
REGARDING A FEW OF THE MOTIONS
WE USE ON A FEW OF OUR BASES AS
WELL AS UPDATES US TO OUR NEXT
RULES OF ORDER.
IT ALSO INCLUDES A FEW
TECHNICAL AND CLARIFYING
LANGUAGE CHANGES ADDRESSING
CROSS REFERENCES AND TERMS OF
USE THAT WE FELT COULD USE SOME
RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE
BEEN RECOMMENDED AT THIS TIME.
I WILL SEND TO DIRECTOR HANDY
TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL WITH YOU
AND BRING UP THE POLICY
CONSIDERATIONS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANKS.
THANK YOU HELLO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS.
DIRECTOR OF YOUR COUNCIL,
CENTRAL STAFF.
I WILL WALK THROUGH THE 14
CHANGES THAT ARE IN THE
RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU.
IF YOU WANT TO PULL THE MEMO UP
WE WILL GIVE A VISUAL BOTH FOR
THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL MEMBERS
AS WE WALK THROUGH THESE.
I CAN ALSO SHARE MY SCREEN IF
THAT IS EASIER.
>> SHE WILL PROBABLY JUST NEED
A COUPLE OF SECONDS TO PULL THE
RIGHT SCREEN.
>> NO PROBLEM, IF SHE DOES SO
MAYBE I WILL JUST START WITH
THE FIRST ONE WHICH IS
FAIRLYSTRAIGHTFORWARD.
AS ELIZABETH MENTIONED
ADDRESSES HYBRID AND VIRTUAL
MEETINGS.
THERE'S A NEW RULE THAT ALLOWS
VIRTUAL COMMENT, REMOVES
LANGUAGE THAT PERTAINS TO IN
PERSON ONLY REFERENCES TO
COUNCIL MEETINGS.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE
BASE RESOLUTION DO NOT REQUIRE
THE COUNCIL TO OFFER VIRTUAL
ALTERNATIVES TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT RATHER MAKES IT PERMISSIVE
CREATING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR
THE COUNCIL AS YOU BEGIN
ENVISIONS WHAT COUNCIL
DELIBERATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE IN
A POSTCOVID OR THE NEXT PHASE
OF THE COVID WORLD.
WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
THE SECOND SET OF CHANGES
RELATE TO SPONSORSHIP.
AND IT CLARIFIES THE ROLE OF A
SPONSOR ON LEGISLATION AND
AMENDMENTS.
THE FIRST ADDS LANGUAGE SO THAT
LEGISLATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A
SPONSOR TO BE INTRODUCED.
SO OCCASIONALLY THE COUNCIL
GETS A BILL THAT IS NECESSARY
FOR THE CONTINUITY OF CITY
BUSINESS BUT NOT NECESSARILY A
BILL THAT IS CHAMPIONED BY A
MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.
THIS ALLOW IT IS COUNCIL
PRESIDENT TO INTRODUCE AND KEEP
THAT BILL MOVING.
THE SECOND, IF WE CAN GO TO
PAGE TWO WE NEEDED A CHANCE.
ADDS LANGUAGE THAT AFFORD
INTRODUCTION, COSPONSORS WHO
ARE ADDED OUTSIDE OF OPEN
MEETINGS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE
FORM OF THE COMMITTEE.
SO IF THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE WITH A QUORUM OF
THREE.
THREE SHOULD BE ADDED AND THE
REST SHOULD BE ADDED IN
POSTINTRODUCTION IN OPEN
SESSION.
>> CAN YOU GIVE US A MINUTE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME DELAY
ISSUES.
SO SHE WAS HAVING A HARD TIME.
>> GOT IT.
>> SHE'S A LITTLE BEHIND YOU.
NOT INTENTIONALLY BUT I THINK
THERE WERE SOME LAG ISSUES ON
HER END.
I THINK SHE'S CAUGHT UP NOW.
CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE
ABLE TO HEAR US IN REALTIME.
LOOKS LIKE SHE'S STILL
STRUGGLING WITH THE SCROLLING
HERE.
WE MAY NEED YOU TO SHARE YOUR
SCREENE ESTHER, I KNOW THAT'S
NOT IDEAL.
>> I THINK WE'RE CLOSE.
RIGHT THERE IS RIGHT WHERE
WE'RE ADD.
>> IF YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR
SCREEN, IT'S LOOKING A LITTLE.
WE'RE ON NUMBER THREE IS THAT
RIGHT.
>> YES, I JUST MENTIONED
THESPONSORSHIP.
I WILL MOVE ON IF THERE ARE NO
QUESTIONS.
>> WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS AT
THE END.
WHY DON'T YOU FINISH YOUR
PRESENTATION AND WE WILL CIRCLE
BACK AROUND AND TAKE QUESTIONS.
>> THE THIRD PART
PARTICIPATION.
THIS SAYS ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER
WHO IS ARE DESIGNATED MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE OR WHO ARE
SERVING AS THE ALTERNATE MAY
SPONSOR LEGISLATION OR
AMENDMENTS BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE.
SO WHEN A BILL COMES FOR
INTRODUCTION ANY COUNCIL MEMBER
MAY SPONSOR THAT BILL TO GET IT
INTRODUCED TO THE COUNCIL.
ONCE IT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A
COMMITTEE, ONLY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS MAY SPONSOR AMENDMENTS.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS
AND A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION
FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT
IT MEANS TO SPONSOR LEGISLATION
AFTER INTRODUCTION.
THE WORKING GROUP IS WORKING ON
A TECHNICAL CLEAN UP AMENDMENT
THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER
FORWARD THERE TO CLARIFY ANY
CONFUSION.
THIS IS REALLY ABOUT, SOMEBODY
WHO IS NOT ON A COMMITTEE MAY
AUTHOR AN AMENDMENT, YOU WOULD
NEED SOMEONE IN THE COMMITTEE
TO SPONSOR IT.
>>> THIS WAS THE CURRENT
PRACTICE BUT WAS NOT CLARIFIED
IN THE RULES.
THEN THE LAST COUPLE HERE
NUMBER 13 AND 14 ARE TECHNICAL
AND CLARIFYING LANGUAGE
CHANGES.
THE FIRST CLARIFIES THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DIVIDED
VOTE AND A DIVIDED REPORT.
THE VOTE IS THE VOTE THAT IS
TAKEN.
A REPORT IS A REPORT THAT IS
WRITTEN TO GO ALONG THE WITH
THE AGENDA TO REPRESENT A
MINORITY OPINION IN COUNCIL'S
HISTORY.
A DIVIDED REPORT WAS A REQUIRED
ITEM TO GO ALONG WITH DIVIDED
VOTES.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO IT WAS
CHANGED TO BE OPTIONAL.
IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING IT
HASN'T BEEN USED IN QUITE A FEW
YEARS.
SO COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE
INTEREST IN REMOVING THIS
ENTIRELY FROM THE RULES OR
REVISITING THIS PRACTICE.
THE CLARIFYING AMENDMENT
CLARIFYING THE AMENDMENT
BETWEEN REPORT.
MOTIONS TO HOLD TO A CERTAIN
TIME OR HOLD INDEFINITELY HAVE
BEEN AMENDED TO USE THE WORD
POSTPONE.
THAT IS OFTEN A LANGUAGE USED
ON A BIAS.
AND THE HOPE IS TO BRING IT
BACK AT A LATER TIME.
SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES
CHANGES.
WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS ON THAT.
AND WE WILL MOVE ON.
>> I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE
FOR US TO STOP WITH THE 14
ITEMS THAT DIRECTOR HANDY HAS
JUST BRIEFED US ON.
ARE ALL INCLUDED IN THE BASE
RESOLUTION.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE STILL SUBJECT
TO AMENDMENT AND FURTHER CHANGE
BUT COLLEAGUES THIS IS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ASK ANY
QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF WORK
GROUP.
AND TO EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS OR
INTERESTS IN BRINGING FORWARD
POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS.
I ALSO DO WANT TO ADD THAT WE
WERE JOINED BY COUNCIL
MEMBERMOSQUEDA, HERBOLD AND
MORALES.
I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO
FOLKS WHO MAY WANT TO ASK
QUESTIONS.
I DO SEE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER
HERBOLD HAS RAISED HER HAND.
YES, PLEASE.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS.
BUT FIRST ONE THAT COMES TO
MIND RELATES TO A COUPLE OF THE
ISSUES AROUND SPONSORSHIP OF
LEGISLATION AND AS IT RELATES
TO A QUORUM PREINTRODUCTION.
GIVEN THAT QUORUM IS A MAJORITY
OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M
STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND HOW
THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIVE UNDER
OPMA AND WHY THE LIMITATION
ONSPONSORSHIP PREINTRODUCTION
WOULD NOT BE AND WHY THAT WOULD
NOT BE LIMITED TO UNDER QUORUM.
>> YEAH I WAS JUST SEARCHING
THE TECHNICAL LANGUAGE ON THE
RESOLUTION TO SEE IF IT IS NOT
UP TO QUORUM OR UP TO QUORUM.
IF YOU WILL GIVE ME A MINUTE TO
CLARIFY OR IF YOU KNOW THE
ANSWER TO THAT.
>> WORKS FOR ME.
IF I MAY CLARIFY THE QUESTION
ABOUT SPONSORSHIP.
>> SIMMONS WOULD YOU LIKE TO
ADD SOMETHING FOR THAT.
YOU ARE MUTED.
>> WE WILL LOOK TO LOOK AT
SPECIFIC LANGUAGE BEFORE WE
ANSWER COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER HER BOLD,
HERBO WHR-RBGS D. I WANT TOLD.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR CLARIFY
ALSO.
THE REASON WHY WE MADE CREATED
THAT WOULD.
THE REVISIONS WOULD ALLOW FOR
THAT TO HAPPEN OR DESIGNATE
THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN I THINK
WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT.
CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE SURE THAT
WE ARE NOT OPENING THAT DOOR
ONCE AGAIN.
>> YEAH THANK YOU THE LANGUAGE
SHALL NOT EXCEED A QUORUM.
WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE
SURE THAT DOES NOT EXCEED A
QUORUM.
>> SHALL NOT EXCEED THE QUORUM
IS YOU CAN REACH A QUORUM BUT
NOT GO OVER A QUORUM.
I THINK THAT MAY BE AN
OVERSIGHT.
SO WE WILL NEED TO BRING
FORWARD A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT
TO CORRECT FOR THAT.
AND TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT
THAT IT CANNOT BE A QUORUM OR
AN EXCESS OF A QUORUM.
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD, PLEASE
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> AND MY OTHER QUESTION
RELATES TO ISSUE OF WHO CAN
SPONSOR LEGISLATION.
I APPRECIATE DR. HANDY THAT YOU
FLAGGED THE ISSUE OF WHAT IT
MEANS TO SPONSOR LEGISLATION
POSTINTRODUCTION.
WE THINK THAT MIGHT MEAN EITHER
AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEGISLATION
OR A SUBSTITUTE WHICH
ISTECHNICALLY AN AMENDMENT BUT
IT COULD BE CONSIDERED
LEGISLATION.
BUT JUST WANT TO JUST CLARIFY
THAT, THE ABILITY TO SPONSOR
LEGISLATION IN THE PROPOSED
RULES IS A POWER THAT ONLY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEEM TO HAVE.
AND JUST WANTING TO JUST FLAG
THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE INTENT IS REFLECTED IN THE
LEGISLATION CHANGING THE RULES
AS WELL.
AND WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND
EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT IS
HERE.
ARE WE INTENDING TO LIMIT THE
ABILITY OF, OF NONCOUNCIL
MEMBERS FROM SPONSORING
LEGISLATION THAT WOULD GO TO A
COMMITTEE THAT THEY DO NOT
SERVE ON.
>> THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.
NO THE INTENTION HERE IS THAT
ANY COUNCIL MEMBER MAY SPONSOR
ANY PIECE OF LEGISLATION AT
INTRODUCTION.
SO IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO
ADVANCE A PIECE OF LEGISLATION
FOR THE GOVERNANCE OF EDUCATION
COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE NOT ON
COMMITTEE.
MAYBE SOMETHING THIS THEY
AUTHORED AND BE THE SPONSOR AT
THE POINT OF INTRODUCTION.
THE INTENTION HERE IS ONCE A
BILL IS REFERRED TO A
COMMITTEE.
IT IS THE JURISDICTION OF THE
MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE TO
DELIBERATE ON AND MAKE A
RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.
AT THE POINT THAT IT'S AT
COMMITTEE IT IS LEFT AT
COMMITTEE AND BACK AT FULL
COUNCIL.
DOES THAT CLARIFY.
>> IT DOES.
THANK YOU.
BUT I DO, AT LEAST I'M DOING A
PLAIN READING OF THE LANGUAGE.
THERE'S THE QUESTION OF THAT
YOU FLAGGED DR. HANDY OF WHAT
DOES IT MEAN TO AS A, TO
INTRODUCE LEGISLATION.
IN A COMMITTEE AFTER THE IRC
PROCESS.
I ALSO AM FLAGGING THAT RED
LINE VERSION OF THE LEGISLATION
SEEMS TO LIMIT THE SPONSORSHIP
OF LEGISLATION TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS.
>> IT'S OUR INTENTION FOR THE
WORK GROUP TO OFFER A CLEAN UP
OF THAT TO REMOVE THE WORD
LEGISLATION SO IT JUST READS
AMENDMENT IN THAT SECTION.
TO RETAIN THE INTENT I
DESCRIBED.
>> THANK YOU.
>> DIRECTOR HANDY JUST TO BE
CLEAR THE INTENT IS SORT OF
ALLOWING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO
EXERCISE THEIR LEGISLATIVE
AUTHORITY.
REGARDLESS OF COMMITTEE
MEMBERSHIP THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT, I THINK WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A TEMPORAL POINT.
SO IT'S AT THE POINT OF
INTRODUCTION AND REFERRAL SO IF
A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WASN'T A
MEMBER OF THE GOVERNANCE AND
EDUCATION COMMITTEE, WANTED TO
INTRODUCE LEGISLATION THAT GAVE
ALL PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS FREE
ICE CREAM THEY COULD DO THAT,
BUT ONCE IT'S REFERRED TO THE
GOVERNANCE AND EDUCATION
COMMITTEE WHICH THEY'RE NO
LONGER A MEMBER OF.
AT THAT POINT AFTER THE
REFERRAL THEY WOULD NEED TO
WORK WITH THE CHAIR AS AN
AUTHOR OF EITHER A STRIKER BILL
OR AMENDMENT IN ORDER FOR THOSE
AMENDMENTS TO ADVANCE.
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
THEY MAY OFFER FREE ICE FREE
ICE CREAM TO ALL ON THE RULES
AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON
THAT IDEA.
>> OBVIOUSLY FULL COUNCIL IS
ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY
COUNCIL MEMBER REGARDLESS OF
COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP TO BRING
FORWARD AMENDMENTS THAT WE TRY
TO ENCOURAGE SUBSTANTIVE POLICY
ISSUES TO HAPPEN DURING
COMMITTEE.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD ANYTHING
ELSE.
>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION
NOT ABOUT SPONSORSHIP BUT ABOUT
SOMETHING THAT WAS COVERED IN
THIS INITIAL PORTION OF THE
BRIEFING.
IS THAT OKAY.
>> YEAH, GO AHEAD.
>> THANK YOU.
AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO
THE INTENT TO CLARIFY, FOR THE
RECORD, WHO IS A VOTING MEMBER
OF A MEETING IN THE CASE THAT
THERE IS A NEED FOR AN
ALTERNATE I JUST WANT TO
CONFIRM, MY UNDERSTANDING.
THESE ARE RULES THAT CAN BE
WAVED IN INDIVIDUAL
CIRCUMSTANCES.
I CAN IMAGINE A SORT OF A
BROKERED AGREEMENT OF A REGULAR
COMMITTEE MEMBER WITH AN
ALTERNATE FOR WHICH A PORTION
OF THE MEETING EACH WOULD
ATTEND AND BE AN ALTERNATE.
I UNDERSTAND NOT PUTTING A
POSITION.
ABOUT HAVING THE QUESTION OF
PREPARING FOR A MEETING WHERE
THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE WHOLE
VOTING RIGHTS BUT I COULD SEE
THAT, THAT DIFFICULTY COULD BE
WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND
ALTERNATE AGREE AND JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS
CONFIRMED THAT THAT WOULD BE
POSSIBLE WITH APPROVAL WAIVE OF
THE RULES.
>> YES THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING
AND ON THE COMMITTEE AGENDA
TODAY IS AN ATTACHMENT A FOR
WHERE THAT ACTION IS NOT
ALLOWED.
BUT THE ONE YOU WERE
DESCRIBING, THE ROLE OF THE
ALTERNATE COULD BE SUSPENDED
WITH THE MOTION.
AND I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER STRAUSS,
AFTER COUNCIL MEMBER STRAUSS
WILL BE COUNCIL MEMBER MORALES.
>> MY QUESTION IS TO HAVE A
LEGISLATIVE SPONSOR WITHOUT A
SPONSOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM ON THIS
POINT.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE NEED
TO HAVE ROUTINE LEGISLATION
THAT IS FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE.
THERE'S BEEN TIME THERE'S BEEN
LEGISLATION WRITTEN BY THE
EXECUTIVE THAT I PUT MY NAME ON
BECAUSE WHEN IT'S TRANSMITTED
SOMEONE HAS TO PUT THEIR NAME
ON IT WHEN IT'S AT COMMITTEE
AND I DO SO.
I JUST WANT TO GET AN
UNDERSTANDING ON WHY THIS IS
BEING CONSIDERED NOW AND IF
THERE ARE ANY PARAMETERS ON IT.
I GUESS I'LL BE FORTHRIGHT WITH
MY CONCERN THAT IF WE ALLOW
THIS TO OCCUR WITHOUT
PARAMETERS THAT SOMEBODY CAN
SPONSOR LEGISLATION WITHOUT
HAVING TO PUT THEIR NAME ON IT.
S THAT NOT ROUTINE IN GOV
GOVERNANCE JUST LOOKING FOR
MORE INFORMATION AT THE TIME.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR
COMMITTEE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
WEIGH IN HERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS WOULD
BE USED FAIRLY RARELY.
IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THE
DECISION OF THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT TO INTRODUCE IT.
BILLS THAT COME FORWARD WITHOUT
A SPONSOR WOULDN'T
AUTOMATICALLY MAKE IT INTO THE
REALM OF COUNCIL BUSINESS BUT
IT'S AN OPTION THAT COUNCIL
MEMBERS HAVE WANTED TO HAVE
WHEN THEY HAVE SAID THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT PIECE OF CITY
BUSINESS BUT NOT NECESSARILY
SOMETHING THAT I'M CHAMPIONING
FOR MY DISTRICT, COUNCIL MEMBER
STRAUSS I APPRECIATE THE
EXAMPLE YOU GAVE.
THERE ARE TIMES YOU PUT YOUR
NAME ON THAT ANY WAY.
BUT IT IS TO ADDRESS THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES AND AGAIN I THINK
THE MAIN CHECK ON THIS WOULD BE
THE ROLE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER
WHO IS MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT
WHEN A BILL OF ANY KIND GETS
ADDED TO THE INTRODUCTION
REFERRAL CALENDAR.
>> I'LL JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT
OF TEXTURE TO THAT.
IT IS RARE.
THE INSTANCES IN WHICH A PIECE
OF LEGISLATION WOULD HAVE NO
SPONSOR ATTACHED TO IT IS VERY
RARE.
IT IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED HOWEVER
AS RARE AS IT MIGHT BE.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW
THIS PLAYED OUT IN REAL LIFE
FOR US LAST YEAR.
OR I GUESS IT WAS MAYBE THIS
YEAR.
THIS YEAR.
WE WERE ASKED IN TWO DIFFERENT
INSTANCES TO CONSIDER
LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW
FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER, A CURRENT
COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE CURRENT
MAYOR TO RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENT
FOR LEGAL FEES RELATED TO
RECALL PETITIONS.
AND IN BOTH THOSE INSTANCES, WE
WERE UNABLE TO FIND THE COUNCIL
MEMBER WILLING TO SPONSOR THOSE
PIECES OF LEGISLATION BEING
ADVANCED BY THE EXECUTIVE AND
FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER.
AND AS A RESULT WE STILL NEEDED
TO LIST IT ON A DOCKET AND HAVE
IT INTRODUCED AND REFERRED AND
DELIBERATED AND HAVING THE
FLEXIBILITY FROM THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE TO
ALLOW THAT GOVERNANCE
LEGISLATION TO ADVANCE WITHOUT
A SPONSOR WAS IMPORTANT.
SO I THINK MAKING SURE THAT WE
HAVE REFLECTED IN THE RULES
THAT THIS IS ALLOWABLE AND
INSTITUTIONALIZING THE ABILITY
TO HAVE THE DISCRETION TO MAKE
THAT CALL.
PARTICULAR IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE
OF IN WHICH A COUNCIL IN WHICH
A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN NOT BE
FOUND TO SPONSOR SUCH
LEGISLATION I THINK IS
IMPORTANT.
OTHERWISE THE LEGISLATION
CANNOT AND WILL NOT ADVANCE
EVEN IF IT IS TECHNICAL IN
NATURE OR NECESSARY FOR THE
ADVANCEMENT OF CONTINUITY OF
GOVERNANCE.
THAT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF
TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT
WE DEALT WITH THIS REALITY JUST
THIS YEAR IN 2021.
SO VERY RARE, I THINK THOSE ARE
THE ONLY TWO INSTANCES I CAN
THINK OF.
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THERE
MIGHT BE OTHERS THAT I'M
MISSING BUT I WOULD SAY THAT
IT'S QUITE LITERALLY A SMALL
SMALL HANDFUL.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
S THAT VERY HELPFUL AND THANK
YOU DIRECTOR HANDY.
I WILL SAY THAT IN IT CURRENT
CONTENT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE
WITH THE LANGUAGE DESCRIBED
WITH WHAT YOU JUST HAD I WILL
TAKE TIME TO REFLECT ON THIS I
DON'T KNOW WHERE I WILL LAND.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT AT
START I WOULD NEED TO AT
MINIMUM SEE THE PARAMETERS TO
FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
JUST DESCRIBING WHAT YOU JUST
SAID, SO.
>> I WOULD SAY COUNCIL MEMBER
STRAUSS IF YOU HAVE PARAMETERS
THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON
THE TABLE NOW I WOULD
ENCOUNSELOR YOU TO DAYLIGHT
THOSE NOW.
AND THEN SECONDLY I WOULD SAY
THAT, -- TABLE NOW THAT I WOULD
ENCOURAGE YOU TO DAYLIGHT THOSE
NOW.
AND THEN SECONDLY I WOULD SAY
THAT IT IS INCREDIBLY RARE AND
I ALSO THINK THAT THE FUTURE
PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL NEEDS
TO HAVE SOME DISCRETION IN
BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT
IS A CONSENSUS BODY WILL.
IN THE MOMENT.
SO IT'S HARD TO COME UP WITH
PARTICULAR PRESCRIPTIONS ON
THIS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD
STILL SORT OF FACILITATE FOR A
LEGISLATION THAT NEEDS TO
ADVANCE TO ACTUALLY ADVANCE.
THE CONSEQUENCE OF NOT HAVING
THIS RULE IN MY MIND IS THAT
LEGISLATION THAT NEEDS TO BE
CONSIDERED FOR THE SAKE OF
GOVERNANCE CANNOT ADVANCE
BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A SPONSOR.
IF WE'RE UNABLE TO GET A
COUNCIL MEMBER TO AGREE TO
SPONSOR SOMETHING IN DUE
COURSE, THEN THAT FALLS ON THE
COUNCIL PRESIDENT TO EITHER
SPONSOR IT OR TO TABLE THE
LEGISLATION INDEFINITELY.
IN OTHER WORDS NOT INTRODUCE
IT.
>> RIGHT.
>> THANK YOU THAT'S HELPFUL.
DAYLIGHTING THE PARAMETERS THAT
I WOULD HOPE TO SEE.
AND APOLOGIES I WOULD LOVE TO
CIRCLE BACK WITH ANY OF YOU
LATER TO DIG DEEPER.
REALLY THE PARAMETERS ARE THE
BASE FUNCTIONING OF GOVERNANC.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BETTER
WAY OF SAYING WHAT YOU JUST
SAID COUNCIL PRESIDENT IN THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT OCCUR FROM
TIME TO TIME.
BUT ARE NOT REGULARLY USED.
FOR THE BASE FUNCTION OF EITHER
COUNCIL OR CITY GOVERNMENT.
BUT NOT SO DIFFERENT THAN
PAYMENT OF THE BILLS SOMETHING
TO THAT DEGREE.
WHAT I AM TRYING TO AVOID IS
LEGISLATION POLICY THAT MAKES A
POLICY OR A LAW CHANGE WITHIN
THE CITY GOVERNMENT THAT DOES
NOT HAVE A SPONSORSHIP ATTACHED
TO IT.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM I'M TRYING
TO SOLVE FOR AND I THINK THE
PARAMETERS I'M LOOKING FOR IS
THE BASE FUNCTION OF
GOVERNANCE.
>> CAN I ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THAT, SO EVEN IN THE INSTANCE
IN WHICH THERE WAS NO SPONSORS.
THE CITY COUNCIL STILL
DELIBERATED, DEBATED,
CONSIDERED, VOTED AND TOOK
ACTION ON LEGISLATION.
SO WHAT IS THE, I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT, IT'S CLEAR THAT NO
SPONSORSHIP DOESN'T MEAN THAT
THERE'S GOING TO BE NO ACTION.
NO ANALYSIS.
NO DELIBERATION, NO DEBATE.
IT JUST LITERALLY MEANS THAT
THERE IS NOT A COUNCIL MEMBER
PARTNER OR ADVOCATE FOR THAT
LEGISLATION ON THE CITY
COUNCIL.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE
LEGISLATION WILL NOT RECEIVE
DUE ANALYSIS ESPECIALLY FROM
OUR COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF.
AND FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT.
>> YES, SORRY.
IS THERE SOMETHING.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO
RESPOND?
I DON'T KNOW.
>> I'M HEARING YOU EQUATE NO
SPONSORSHIP WITH NO PROCESS OR
A OR A STALLING OF LEGISLATION
I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR OF IT
THATS THAT NOT THE EFFECT OF
THE, OF THE PROPOSED RULE
CHANGE IN OTHER WORDS THE FACT
THAT THERE IS NO SPONSOR.
DOES NOT,DOES NOT EQUATE TO NO
PROCESS ON THE BILL OR A
STALLING OF THE BILL.
SO I GUESS I'M, I AM NOT
UNDERSTANDING YOUR I'M HEARING
THAT YOUR CONCERN IS
POTENTIALLY AROUND A CONCERN
THAT IF THERE IS NO SPONSOR
THEN NOTHING HAPPENS WITH THE
BILL AND THEREFORE THERE'S BAD
GOVERNANCE SO I'M TRYING TO GET
A BOTTOM LINE TO GET TO WHAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> THANK YOU.
I THINK WE'RE SPEAKING AROUND
EACH OTHER AND I WOULD BE HAPPY
TO SPEAK TO YOU. TO HOLD
ACCOUNTABILITY TO WHAT'S
CONTAINED WITH THAT LEGISLATION
AND TO HOLD ACCOUNTABILITY WITH
OUR COLLEAGUES.
WHETHER OR NOT WE GENERATED THE
LEGISLATION AT ALL.
HEARING YOUR AND DIRECTOR
HANDY'S FEED BACK WE NEED TO
PROCESS CERTAIN BILLS AND
ORDNANCE FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE
THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PUT
THEIR NAME ON.
MY STARTING POINT IS I FEEL IT
IS IMPORTANT FOR ACCOUNTABILITY
REGARDING LEGISLATION AND OUR
COLLEAGUES THAT NAMES ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH BILLS.
AND SO, I THINK WE MIGHT BE
SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT PAST EACH
OTHER COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND
CHAIR.
I WANT TO PUT THAT AS MY
BASELINE THAT I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT.
>>
>> OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL
MEMBER STRAUSS.
>> NO, THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER
MORALES.
>> THANK YOU.
I THINK MY QUESTION MIGHT
RELATE A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD WAS
TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
AT PRACTICE, I HAVE IMPLEMENTED
OR INTENDED TO IMPLEMENTED MY
COMMITTEE IS ACCEPTABLE.
WHICH IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, BIA
IS COMING BEFORE MY COMMITTEE
BUT THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S
DISTRICT THAT'S IN DOESN'T SIT
ON MY COMMITTEE.
I HAVE INVITED THEM TO COME AND
MAKE THE PRESENTATION NOT
NECESSARILY TO VOTE BUT TO BE
PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND
PRESENT ON THEIR, WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THEIR DISTRICT.
IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT
PREVENTS THAT?
AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY
VOTING.
>> NO, THE CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE HAS THE POWER TO
INVITE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF
THE COUNCIL TO ATTEND THE
COMMITTEE, THE CHAIR HAS THE
ABILITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT,
SORRY NOT COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT
COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISCUSSION
OF ANY ITEM AT THEIR COMMITTEE.
>> OKAY.
SO THAT, THEY COULD TECHNICALLY
HAVE MAYBE BEEN THE SPONSOR OF
THAT LEGISLATION.
BUT ONCE IT'S IN MY COMMITTEE
THEY BECOME THE AUTHOR AND
SOMEBODY ELSE IS THE SPONSOR
AND.
THAT'S THE PIECE THAT IS ALSO
SORT OF CONFUSING ME TO BE
HONEST.
>> THAT GOES BACK TO THIS ISSUE
OF TIME.
SO THEY COULD TABLE THE
LEGISLATION REGARDING THE BIA
IN THEIR DISTRICT.
IT WOULD GET RESERVED TO YOUR
COMMITTEE.
YOU COULD INVITE THEM TO ATTEND
THEY COULD AUTHOR THAT
AMENDMENT BUT THEY WOULD HAVE
TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU OR
ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER IS THE
SPONSOR OF THAT
ITEM.
>> OKAY, OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE
14?
OKAY THEN COUNCIL MEMBER
HERBOLD I SEE YOUR HAND IS
STILL UP.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A HOLD
OVER.
THERE WE GO.
OKAY.
AND THEN DID WANT TO HAVE THE
RECORD REFLECT THAT WE WERE
JOINED A FEW MOMENTS AGO BY
COUNCIL MEMBER PETERSON AS
WELL.
WELCOME.
OKAY.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND IF THERE ARE
NO ADDITION QUESTIONS ON THE
FIRST 14 ITEMS, WHY DON'T WE
CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH
THEPRESENTATION TO THE NEXT
SECTION WHICH HAVE MORE
SIGNIFICANT POLICY QUESTIONS.
>> IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PULLING
THAT MEMO UP AGAIN STARTING ON
PAGE FOUR.
I APPRECIATE WE WOULD DISCUSS
THEM TODAY AND IF COUNCIL
MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE
CHANGE THOSE WOULD NEED TO COME
FORWARD WITH AS AMENDMENTS.
I AM REQUESTING THAT AMENDMENT
REQUEST COME IN BY FRIDAY AT
NOON TO GIVE OUR TEAM TIME TO
DRAFT THEM AND GET THEM POSTED
ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC TO
REVIEW FOR DISCUSSION NEXT
WEDNESDAY.
SO THE FIRST OF TWO POLICY
ISSUES THAT THE WORK GROUP
DISCUSSES IS A COUNCIL MEETING
SCHEDULE.
CURRENTLY THE CITY COUNCIL
MEETS AS A FULL COUNCIL ON
MONDAY.
YOU HAVE A COUNCIL BRIEFING AT
9:30 IN THE MORNING AND YOU
TAKE ACTION AS A FULL COUNCIL
AT 2:00 P.M.
STANDING COMMITTEES TYPICALLY
FOLLOW ON TUESDAYS, WEDNESDAYS
AND FRIDAY.
THURSDAY IS USUALLY RESERVED AS
A TIME FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO
ATTEND REGIONAL COMMITTEE
MEETINGS.
THE MONDAYS OFTEN RESULT IN
LAST MINUTE WORK OVER THE
WEEKENDS TO DRAFT AMENDMENTS
AND TWO KIND OF POLICY CONCERNS
OVER THAT DISCUSSED BY THE WORK
GROUP.
ONE IS HEALTH AND
SUSTAINABILITY OF COUNCIL
STAFF.
BOTH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR
CENTRAL STAFF TEAM AND LIMITED
TIME FOR PUBLIC REVIEW OF ANY
AMENDMENTS BEFORE THAT FULL
COUNCIL ACTION ON MONDAY.
SO THE WORK GROUP, LOOKED AT A
FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR
ALTERNATE DAYS AND AS PUTTING
FORTH FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION
A TUESDAY COUNCIL MEETING.
THERE ARE THREE ALTERNATIVES
OUTLINED HERE.
THE FIRST WOULD ESTABLISH BOTH
OF THEM, SORRY BOTH ALTERNATIVE
ONE AND TWO HAVE MONDAY
MORNINGS WITH NO MEETINGS.
A COUNCIL BRIEFING AT 2:00 P.M.
ON MONDAY AND A FULL COUNCIL
MEETING ON TUESDAY.
IN ALTERNATIVE ONE THE FULL
COUNCIL WOULD MEET ON TUESDAY
AFTERNOON.
AND ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE THE
FULL COUNCIL MEETS ON TUESDAY
MORNING.
WE THINK BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS
GIVE MORE OF A CHANCE TO GIVE
THAT MONDAY TIME FOR ANY FINAL
PREP FOR COMMITTEE MEETINGS
THAT MONDAY AFTERNOON BRIEFINGS
AS AN OPTION TO DAYLIGHT ACTION
THAT IS GOING TO COME BEFORE
THE COUNCIL TO SET FOR A DAY
BEFORE EITHER THE NEXT MORNING
OR THE NEXT AFTERNOON FULL
COUNCIL ACTION.
UNDER BOTH THESE OPTIONS,
COMMITTEE MEETINGS WOULD
CONTINUE ON TUESDAY, WEDNESDAYS
AND FRIDAYS FOR THE
ALTERNATIVES WHERE YOU HAVE A
FULL COUNCIL MEETING.
THE COMMITTEE MEETING WOULD BE
IN THE AFTERNOON AND THAT WOULD
BE THE OPPOSITE FOR AN
AFTERNOON MEETING.
THE TWO ADDITIONAL
CONSIDERATIONS TO CONSIDER ARE
ONE WHERE A COUNCIL MEETING
WOULD MOVE TO TUESDAY.
COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD CONSIDER
AMENDING THE DEADLINE, THAT
DEADLINE IS TWO HOURS PRIOR TO
THE MEETING.
YOU COULD AMEND THAT TO BE 5:00
ON MONDAY.
AGAIN TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME
FOR THOSE AMENDMENTS TO BE SEEN
AND UNDERSTOOD BEFORE FULL
COUNCIL ACTION.
AND THEN THERE HAS BEEN SOME
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE COUNCIL
BRIEFING FITS INTO THIS.
SHOULD IT BE WEEKLY.
SHOULD IT BE LESS FREQUENTLY.
SHOULD IT BE AT THE DISCRETION
OF THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
SO HAPPY TO, HAVE DISCUSSION OR
TAKE QUESTIONS ON SORT OF ANY
ASPECTS OF MOVING A COUNCIL
MEETING FROM MONDAY TO TUESDAY.
>> OKAY LET'S TAKE A PAUSE ON
EACH ONE OF THESE.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE A
FULL DISCUSSION HERE.
OKAY I DO SEE ONE HAND RAISED.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL ON
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD.
>> THANK YOU.
AS IT RELATES I APPRECIATE YOU
DOING SO WE CAN SEE IN REAL
LIFE HOW THIS KIND OF CHANGE AS
IT RELATES TO MONDAY MEETINGS
WOULD HAVE A CHARGE ON STANDING
COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND WITH
CONSIDERATION OF OTHER RENALLAL
REGIONAL COMMITTEES AND ETC.
IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE
VIEWING PUBLIC TO TALK A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT
ARE CREATED WITH A CITY CLERK
WITH A MONDAY FULL COUNCIL
MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A
CHALLENGE WE WANT TO.
THE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE
PROVIDED FOR BRIEFINGS AND FULL
COUNCIL MEETINGS AND COMMITTEE
MEETING TIMES, DOES THIS ASSUME
ONE THE CURRENT NUMBER OF
COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND SORRY
THE CURRENT NUMBER OF
COMMITTEES FIRST OF ALL, AND
DOES IT CONSIDER THE CURRENT
NUMBER OF MEETINGS THE EXISTING
NUMBER OF COMMITTEES HAVE.
SO SOME COMMITTEES MEET TWICE
MONTHLY, SOME MEET ONE TIME A
MONTH.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PARTICULAR
NUMBER OF COMMITTEES AND ALL OF
THIS MAY CHANGE IN THE NEW
YEAR.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE
KALEN TARS THAT ARE ATTACHED
THAT SHOW ALTERNATIVE ONE AND
TWO ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF
COMMITTEES WE HAVE TODAY AND
HOW FREQUENTLY THEY MEET.
THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T A
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON OR A FRIDAY
AFTERNOON COMMITTEE ON THOSE
CALENDARS AND SO THOSE WOULD
LIKELY BE THE SORT OF ROOM FOR
EXPANSION IF YOU WERE TO HAVE
MORE COMMITTEES NEXT YEAR OR
COMMITTEES THAT MET MORE
FREQUENTLY.
OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE WORK
GROUP WOULD BE TO NOT USE THE
MONDAY MORNING SLOT BUT TO USE
EITHER THAT WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON
OR THAT FRIDAY AFTERNOON SLOT.
CITY CLERK DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING
TO ADD TO THAT?
>> NO I THINK YOU COVERED
ESTHER.
THESE ARE OPTIONS THAT WERE
REVIEWED WITH THE DEPUTY CITY
CLERK AND THE GROUP.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S
WORKABLE AND DOABLE.
>> I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE
ATTACHED SHOW THE SCHEMATIC
IMPACT OF THESE PROPOSED
CHANGES PARTICULARLY AS IT
RELATES TO HOW IT IMPACTS STAFF
IN TERMS OF PREPARATION.
SO ATTACHMENT THREE ALSO HAS
SOME OF THAT SAME INFORMATION
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO
LOOK AT THOSE DOCUMENTS AS
WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE AS WELL.
COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ.
>> THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH
US AND OUR STAFF YESTERDAY FOR
ALMOST AND HOUR AND GOING
THROUGH THIS 12 PAGE MEMO AND
ATTACHMENTS.
I LOVE ATTACHMENTS AND CHARTS
AND MEMOS.
WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THESE
AND SPEAK MORE COHERENTLY WHEN
WE HAVE.
AND ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO
BRING UP IS I DO AGREE WITH YOU
THAT WE NEED TO, SINCE WE'RE IN
THIS ZOOM POSTURE NOW AND
LOOKING AT A SCREEN AND ALSO
HAVING MORE TIME BY NOT MAKING
STAFF WORK ON SUNDAYS TO BE
PREPARED FOR MONDAYS, I WOULD
ALSO BE CONSIDERING GIVING A
THIRD OPTION WHERE WE HAVE
COUNCIL MEETINGS ON TUESDAYS
AND HOPEFULLY OR PERHAPS HAVE
COUNCIL BRIEFINGS EVERY OTHER
MONDAY WHETHER IT'S 9:30 OR
2:00.
AND ALSO AND I HAD THIS TALK
WITHESTER, MONICA AND ELIZABETH
YESTERDAY, MY REASONING BEHIND
THIS IS BECAUSE AS COUNCIL
MEMBERS WE HAVE ACCESS TO SO
MANY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS
THAT OTHER DOESN'T.
THAT WE'LL BE DOING THE CITIES
BUSINESS OVER A SCREEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK AND MEET
WITH ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS ANY
OTHER COMMENTS.
I KNOW ESTHER IS GOING TO HELP
ME OUT ON THIS ABOUT OFFERING
THIS THIRD OPTION ABOUT, I
WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY
COLLEAGUES ABOUT HAVING COUNCIL
BRIEFINGS EVERY OTHER WEEK IN
WHICH WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE
HAVE DONE.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND
OTHER ISSUES THAT ACTUALLY
BRIEF THE PUBLIC INSTEAD OF
HAVING THREE HOUR MORNING
MEETINGS SOMETIMES WHERE WE
HEAR THE SAME THING AGAIN AT
NOON.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NAGGING OR
DISDAINFUL OF PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE OVER
AND OVER.
BUT I WANT TO BE COGNITIVE OF
THE EFFECT OF BEING ON A
COMPUTER FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT
HOURS A DAY IS FOR OUR HEALTH
AND TRYING TO USE OUR TIME MORE
EFFICIENTLY PARTICULARLY FOR
THE VIEWING PUBLIC.
SO WE CAN DO THE GOVERNMENT
BUSINESS AS WE'VE DONE.
AND I THINK I CAN SHARE THIS
WITH YOU AS WELL COUNCIL
PRESIDENT, I FEEL BAD THAT SOME
OF THE NEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS
THAT WERE ELECTED NEVER REALLY
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AT
THEDIAS AND HAVE THE DEMOCRACY
OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND BEING
ABLE TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC
COMMENT.
AND DOING THIS BY ZOOM HAS
OBVIOUSLY CURTAILED THIS A LOT
BUT I THINK THE MENTAL AND
PHYSICAL HEALTH IS IMPORTANT.
I DON'T SEE ANY TIME IN THE
NEAR FUTURE WHEN THE STATE OR
THE CITY IS GOING TO LIFT THIS
OCCUPATIONAL POSITION WE'RE IN
NOW WHERE WE'RE DOING
EVERYTHING OVER ZOOM OR OUR
TEAMS OR WHATEVER.
SO IF THERE'S ANYONE HAS ANY
COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
MA'AM PRESIDENT I WOULD ASK IF
YOU COULD MAYBE SEE IF HAS ANY
COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING COUNCIL
BRIEFINGS EVERY OTHER WEEK.
THANK YOU.
>> YEAH THANKS COUNCIL MEMBER
JUAREZ.
I WILL PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION
ON THIS JUST SORT OF FACTUAL
INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE'RE
HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
AND OF COURSE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT OTHERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO WEIGH IN ON A BIWEEKLY
SCHEDULE OF COUNCIL BRIEFINGS.
AND I SEE THAT COUNCIL
MEMBERPEDERSON HAS HIS HAND
RAISED.
I DO WANT TO, HAVING SERVED AS
THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR THE
LAST TWO YEARS, JUST OFFER YOU
ALL THE BENEFIT OF SOME
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT,
HAPPENS I WOULD SAY A LOT IN
THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, SO WE
GET TO SEE A LOT OF IT BUT
THOSE WHO DON'T SERVE IN THE
ROLE OF COUNCIL PRESIDENT MAY
NOT HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SEE THE FLOW COMING IN AND SORT
OF WHAT'S REQUIRED IN TERMS OF
CALENDARING.
SO I JUST WOULD OFFER A COUPLE
OF THINGS.
ONE IS THAT, COUNCIL BRIEFING
IS OFTENTIMES THE LAST CHANCE.
PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE COUNCIL
MEMBERS WHO DON'T SIT ON
COMMITTEES TO DAYLIGHT CONCERNS
ABOUT LEGISLATION THAT MIGHT BE
SUBJECT TO FINAL COUNCIL ACTION
AT THAT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
IN THIS CASE.
9:30 A.M.
TENDS TO BE THE TIME WHEN MANY
COUNCIL MEMBERS ESPECIALLY
THOSE WHO DON'T SIT AT
COMMITTEE BRING FORWARD TERMS
THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO ACT ON
AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO MY WORRY ABOUT ELIMINATING
OR GOING TO A BIWEEKLY COUNCIL
MEMBER SCHEDULE ROLE IS THAT WE
STILL WILL BE HAVING WEEKLY
FULL COUNCIL MEETINGS AND SORT
OF HOW DO YOU CREATE A PUBLIC
PROCESS AND A CONSISTENT
CHANNEL, REGULAR CHANNEL OF
COMMUNICATION THAT IS COMPLIANT
WITH THE MEETINGS ACTS ON
EMERGING CONCERNS OR AMENDMENTS
THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER MAY WANT
TO BRING AT A FULL COUNCIL
MEETING.
SO THERE'S, THERE IS THAT
CHALLENGE.
NOW I WILL ADMIT THAT NOT EVERY
PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT IS
LISTED ON EVERY SINGLE FULL
COUNCIL MEETING REQUIRED
AMENDMENTS AND IS SOMETIMES AND
NO ONE HAS ADDITIONAL MEMBERS
TO MAKE.
IN THAT INSTANCE IT COULD BE,
IT COULD BE THAT WE MAKE
COUNCIL BRIEFINGS DISCRETIONARY
AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE
COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
SO IF WE SEE THAT THE FULL
COUNCIL AGENDA IS
NONCONTROVERSIAL, THERE'S NOT
GOING TO BE ANY AMENDMENTS.
THERE ARE COPUNTUARY ITEMS.
THEN THE COUNCIL COULD CANCEL
THE BRIEFING REGARD THE FACT
THAT WE DON'T EXPECT A SLEW OF
LAST MINUTE AMENDMENTS FROM
NONCOMMITTEE MEMBERS COMING
FORWARD.
OTHERWISE I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW
TO PROVIDE THE RELIEF VALVE IN
COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S ONE LEGISLATION THAT I
WOULD OFFER.
THE OTHER THING IS COUNCIL
BRIEFING IS TYPICALLY THE SPACE
THAT IS OFFERED FOR EXECUTIVE
SESSIONS.
MANY OF WHICH ARE LAST MINUTE.
REQUESTS BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE.
THEY ARE ALSO AN OPPORTUNTY
FOR INTERRELATIONS TO MAKE
PRESENTATIONS.
AGAIN SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE
PREDICTABLE BUT I WOULD SAY
THAT MANY OF THE EXECUTIVE
SESSIONS ARE AND CAN BE
UNPREDICTABLE AND A LITTLE FAST
AND FURIOUS.
SO THAT'S WHY I AM SUGGESTING
THAT IF THERE IS AN INCLINATION
TO GO TO A BIWEEKLY SCHEDULE IN
STAED OF MAKING THAT MANDATORY
WE SHOULD MAKE THAT TO BE AT
THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL
BASED ON THE CONSIDERATION A
WEEK PRIOR THAT A COUNCIL
BRIEFING WOULD BE NECESSARY
THAT WEEK.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALISTIC
ABOUT STAFF CONSTRAINTS AND
SOME OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH
CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER
JUAREZ HAS FLAGGED.
I WANTED TO OFFER THAT AS FOLKS
ARE MULLING OVER THE PROCESS OF
MAKING COUNCIL MEETINGS
BIWEEKLY OR NOT.
SORRY.
A LOT OF INFORMATION.
WE HAVE SAMPLE SHEETS OF
HOWOFTEN WE GET EXECUTIVE
SESSIONS SO THAT IT'S HELPFUL
TO YOU ALL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS
AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE
CADENCE OF THE WORK.
COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSON PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT
GONZALEZ.
THANK YOU FOR INVITING
NONMEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO
THIS COMMITTEE REALLY
APPRECIATE IT.
I LOVE THIS STUFF.
I LOVE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
I'M EMBARRASSED THAT I DON'T
HAVE MY 12th EDITION YET.
I NEED TO GET THAT.
I KNOW THE CLERK IS GOING TO
GET ON MY CASE FOR THAT.
SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT MOVING
COUNCIL MEETINGS TO TUESDAYS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORKING
GROUP, LISTEN INPUT.
I THINK WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS
WORRY ABOUT A CONNECT DIRECTLY
WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK ABOUT
THE WEEK.
WHAT DID WE DO OVER THIS
WEEKEND?
WELL I WORKED ALL SUNDAY
BECAUSE I WAS GETTING READY FOR
COUNCIL BRIEFING AND SUCH.
SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD
MOVE IN OAKLAND CALIFORNIA
THEY'RE ON TUESDAYS AND HAD
SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THAT
THERE.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THOSE
FORWARD AS OPTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING
ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT
VERSIONS.
BUT IF NOBODY ELSE PUTS FORWARD
AN AMENDMENT I WOULD BE HAPPY
TO DO THAT.
WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT AND
PICKING UP ON THE DISCUSSION
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF MAKING THE
COUNCIL BRIEFINGS THESE CHANG
FROM SHALL TO MAY.
AT THE DISCRETION OF THE
COUNCIL MAY HAVE THE BRIEFINGS.
YOU MAY END UP HAVING IT NINE
OR TEN TIMES BUT JUST CHANGING
IT FROM MAY TO SHALL MAY BE
HELPFUL FLEXIBILITY.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT COUNCIL
MEMBER PEDERSON.
YOU MENTIONED YOU DON'T HAVE A
PREFERENCE OF WHETHER IT'S IN
THE MORNING OR AFTERNOON SLOTS
ON TUESDAY BUT YOU LOVE THE
TUESDAY MOVE.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT
CORRECTLY?
>> YES, I COULD SEE THE BENEFIT
OF HAVING THE COUNCIL BRIEFING
MONDAY AFTERNOON AND THE FULL
COUNCIL MEETING TUESDAY
AFTERNOON.
BECAUSE I'M WORRIED IF YOU HAVE
FULL COUNCIL IN THE MORNING IT
MIGHT RUN INTO THE COMMITTEE
MEETING WHERE IT'S EASIER TO
TRUNCATE THE COMMITTEE.
BUT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THROUGH
ALL THE.
>> AND JUST NOTING MY INTEREST
IN MAKING SURE WE HAVE EXTRA
TIME OF LOOKING AT POTENTIAL
AMENDMENTS AND I RECOGNIZE THAT
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE
ALL SCHEDULED AROUND OTHER
COMMITTEE MEETINGS I WOULD
PREFER TO DO THURSDAY BUT I
KNOW THERE'S A TIME OF REGIONAL
COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
IN LIEU OF THURSDAY I WAS
LOOKING AT SEEING IF MONDAY
AFTERNOON. I
WOULD VERY MUCH SUPPORT HAVING
A MONDAY AFTERNOON OPTION AS
WELL OR AROUND NOON.
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FOURTH
OPTION POTENTIALLY ON
WEDNESDAY.
WHAT I'M HEARING VERY CLEARLY
THAT FOLKS ARE ON BOARD WITH
NOT HAVING FULL COUNCIL ON
MONDAY.
SO NOW WE ARE WRESTLING WITH
TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY.
AT THIS POINT.
I DO WANT TO OFFER THE CLERK'S
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT A
WEDNESDAY OPTION.
WE DID ON OUR DELIBERATION
PROCESS CONSIDER WEDNESDAY AND
WHAT A WEDNESDAY WOULD LOOK
LIKE.
I KNOW THE ANSWER OF THE
QUESTION I'M ASKING SO I WILL
NOT ANSWER IT FOR MYSELF.
I WILL LOOK TO THE CITY CLERKS
TO PROVIDE THE ANSWER AS TO,
WHY WEDNESDAY PRESENTED SOME
DIFFICULTIES.
>> YOU WITH GO AHEAD AND COVER
THAT OR WE CAN COME BACK AFTER
CHATTING A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH
THE CITY CLERKS.
>> CERTAINLY, THIS IS FOR A
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON COUNCIL
MEETING CONTEMPLATION.
I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY FIRST
OFF IS THE RULES COMMITTEE
ITSELF ACTUALLY LOOKED AT
MULTIPLE DATES AND MULTIPLE
TIMES AND ALL OF THE MEETINGS
THAT TAKE PLACE AS WE MENTIONED
NOT JUST OUR OWN COMMITTEE
SCHEDULE WHICH AGAIN WILL BE
RESET AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT
YEAR.
BUT ALSO ANY SORT OF REGIONAL
COMMITTEE, ALSO COMMITTEES THAT
THE DIRECTORS WOULD BE PULLED
IF THE COMMISSIONS WOULD BE
GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.
IF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS WERE
TAKEN INTO PLACE TO COME UP
WITH THE IDEA OF A POTENTIAL
TUESDAY AFTERNOON.
THAT'S WHERE THAT BECAME
SOMETHING THAT WAS ONE OF THE
OPTIONS THAT SEEMED TO KIND OF
FIT ALL OF THE NEEDS.
I DO NOT RECALL ANYTHING
SPECIFIC THAT WOULD HINDER A
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON MEETING.
SO I DO THINK THAT ONE WAS
STILL IN THE RUNNING AS THEY
MAY SAY.
AND I DO THINK THURSDAYS THERE
WAS SOME CONCERN THERE JUST
BEING LATER IN THE WEEK AND
ALSO THOSE REGIONAL COMMITTEES
FOR THURSDAYS.
SO TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM
MONDAYS, STAY AWAY FROM
THURSDAYS.
AND THEN I THINK FRIDAYS THERE
WAS SOME THOUGHT THAT MIGHT
JUST BE TOO LATE IN THE WEEK TO
ADDRESS THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.
SO I WOULD SAY AGAIN TUESDAYS
AND WEDNESDAYS.
TUESDAY SEEMS TO BE A
PREFERENCE JUST BECAUSE OF THE
FLOW.
AND LOOKING AHEAD TO GETTING
ITEMS FROM COMMITTEE ON TO THE
AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER
CONSIDERATION AS HOW THOSE
COMMITTEES AND THE WORK IN
COMMITTEES GETS ON THE NEXT
WEEK'S AGENDA.
SO THERE REALLY IS A LOT GOING
ON TO KIND OF CONSIDER HOW IT
ALL WORKS TOGETHER TO KEEP
LEGISLATION AND KEEP US BEING
EFFICIENT.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT I CAN
OFFER AT THIS POINT.
CERTAINLY WE CAN CONTEMPLATE
PUTTING TOGETHER A SCHEDULE
LIKE WE HAVE FOR TUESDAY AND
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND JUST
HAVE A VISUAL REPRESENTATION.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GENERATE THAT
FOURTH OPTION.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT ORIGINALLY
HAD CONSIDERED WEDNESDAY.
IN MY RECOELECTION IT WOULD
MAKE A CRUNCH GETTING
LEGISLATION FINISHED, QUALITY
CONTROLLED AND READY FOR
PUBLISHING FOR THE FRIDAY CITY
COUNCIL AGENDA.
SO MY SENSE WAS FROM THE DEPUTY
CLERKS THAT THEY FELT THEY
MIGHT BE GETTING COMPRESSED ON
THE END OF THE TIME LINE.
GIVEN DEADLINES FOR PUBLISHING
PUBLICLY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD
BE AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC FOR THEIR REVIEW AND
THEIR COMMENT.
IF THOSE CONCERNS NO LONGER
EXIST THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY BE
INTERESTED IN SEEING A SCHEDULE
FOR WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AS
WELL.
BUT MY RECOLLECTION OF
REVIEWING SOME OF THE NOTES
FROM THE STAFF WORK GROUP IS
THE DEPUTY CITY CLERKS IN
PARTICULAR EXPRESSED SOME
CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING JAMMED
TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEK.
-Z ESPECIALLY SINCE MANY OF
THEM WOULD STILL, ESPECIALLY
SINCE MANY OF THEM WOULD STILL
BE REQUIRED TO WORK OTHER
COMMITTEE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT
THE WEEK.
THAT'S A CONSIDERATION AND I
THINK THAT'S WHY WE LANDED ON
TO SORT OF GIVE FOLKS A LITTLE
BIT MORE WIGGLE ROOM IN TERMS
OF THE DEADLINES ASSOCIATED
WITH THE LOCATION OF THE
AGENDAS AND REFERRAL OF
LEGISLATION.
>> YES, I UNDERSTAND THE
INTEREST FOR WEDNESDAY AS WELL.
WE CAN FLUSH IT OUT A LITTLE
BIT MORE AND CONFIRM WHAT
YOU'RE SHARING AND WHAT YOU'VE
HEARD FROM OUR FEED BACK FROM
OUR STAFF FEED BACK.
BUT WE CAN DIG A LITTLE DEEPER.
>> GREAT.
>> AND PROVIDE THE PROS AND
CONS.
>> OKAY.
DIRECTOR HANDY ANY SORT OF FEED
BACK FROM THE CENTRAL STAFF.
>> I THINK THERE ARE FEWER BUT
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
REGIONAL COMMITTEES THAT MEET
ON THAT WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON
SLOT SO I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT
THAT OPTION.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT
WEDNESDAY MORNING.
I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE OF
THE PACE OF MOVING KIND OF INTO
FULL COMMITTEE SWING BEFORE
FULL COUNCIL THERE'S SOME TRADE
OFF THERE OF KIND OF THE
CAPACITY THAT'S AVAILABILITY
FROM STAFF TO PREFERABLY FULL
COUNCIL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER STRAUSS,
PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT,
CHAIR, COMMITTEE.
JUST SIGNALING I WILL BE
HONEST.
I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THAT
TUESDAY IN THE AFTERNOON WOULD
BE BEST FOR FULL COUNCIL AFTER
READING THIS MEMO.
WELL DONE ON THE MEMO I'M
THINKING 9:30 IN THE MORNING ON
TUESDAY WOULD BE BEST.
JUST SIGNALING MY PREFERENCE.
ASSOCIATING COUNCIL BRIEFING
WITH FULL COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IF WE HAVE FULL COUNCIL, WE CAN
HAVE COUNCIL BRIEFING.
IF WE DON'T HAVE FULL COUNCIL,
WE DON'T HAVE COUNCIL BRIEFING.
>> I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY
THAT YOU WANT COUNCIL BRIEFINGS
TO BE MANDATORY EVERY WEEK OR
STILL DISCRETIONARY.
>> THE CURRENT PRACTICE IS
DISCRETIONARY.
>> THE CURRENT PRACTICE IS
MANDATORY.
>> MANDATORY.
I WOULD LEAN TOWARD MANDATORY
BECAUSE THEN WE CAN ALWAYS NOT
SCHEDULE THEM.
WE CAN SUSPEND THE RULES AND
NOT HAVE ONE.
FOR ME, LET ME GET DOWN TO THE
PROBLEM THAT I'M TRYING TO
SOLVE FOR HERE WHICH I THINK I
HEARD YOU CHAIR STATE EARLIER
WHICH IS IF WE HAVE A FULL
COUNCIL MEETING IT IS IMPORTANT
TO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL MEETING
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT COUNCIL IN
WHICH THE LEGISLATION IS
DISCUSSED WILL HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEED
BACK BEFORE ENTERING INTO THAT
MEETING.
>> I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT
CONSIDERATION FOR FOLKS TO
CONSIDER AS WE'RE MULLING ABOUT
A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT IN THIS
AREA.
MY SOLUTION TO THAT WAS TO
SUGGEST THAT COUNCIL BRIEFINGS
COULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF
THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
SUCH THAT IF WE HAVE A VERY
SLOW, SLOW FULL COUNCIL MEETING
IE NOTHING CONTROVERSIAL,
NOAMENDMENTS YOU KNOW,
EVERYTHING SIMPLE.
THEN THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT
WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION ON
FRIDAY TO MAKE COUNCIL
BRIEFINGS SO WE'RE HAVING THE
BEST USE OF OUR TIME AND THE
BEST USE OF STAFF TIME.
SO THAT WOULD, COULD IN
PRACTICE TURN OUT TO BE
BIWEEKLY.
COUNCIL BRIEFINGS OR IT COULD
IN PRACTICE TURN OUT TO BE
EXACTLY LIKE IT IS NOW.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING
FROM, FROM THE DISCUSSION RIGHT
NOW IS THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN
ALLOWING FOR THAT DISCRETION TO
BE VESTED IN THE NEXT COUNCIL
PRESIDENT TO ALLOW THE NEXT
COUNCIL PRESIDENT TO MAKE THAT
CALL IF AND WHEN APPROPRIATE.
>> WELL SAID COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
I LOOK AT DURING THIS LAST
BUDGET SEASON YOU CANCELED ONE
OF THE LAST BUDGET MEETINGS
BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING
BEFORE US ASSOCIATED COUNCIL
BRIEFING SHOULD BE CANCELED AS
WELL.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB.
NOTHING THERE.
DURING BUDGET SEASON THERE'S A
FAIR AMOUNT OF COUNCIL
BRIEFINGS THAT WE JUST DON'T
HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT.
I'M SIGNALING MY SUPPORT O
CANCELING THE MEETINGS.
NOTHING SAYS LOVE THAN ANOTHER
MEETING.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
THERE'S ALSO EXTRA LOVE IF IT'S
A MEETING ABOUT THE MEETING.
>> HERE WE ARE.
THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
>> YEAH, OF COURSE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS,
CONCERNS, PREFERENCES FOR
OPTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS
WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS.
I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ IN
PARTICULAR CUED UP THE BIWEEKLY
QUESTION BUT DO WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT IN GENERAL FOLKS HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPINE AS IT
RELATES TO THE FREQUENCY AND
DATE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL DO
ITS BUSINESS.
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD PLEASE.
>> JUST WANT TO, BEFORE WE
GETTOO EXCITED ABOUT WEDNESDAY
AFTERNOON, I WANT TO THANK
DIRECTOR HANDY FOR REFERENCING
THE POINT THAT THEY'RE NOT AS
FREQUENT BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST
THREE THAT I'M AWARE OF
REGIONAL COMMITTEES THAT MEET
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.
OPC, REGIONAL COMMITTEE AND
NINE.
THEY ARE NOT EVERY OTHER WEEK
BUT THERE'S STILL A
CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE'RE
EXPECTED TO REPRESENT THE CITY
ON THOSE BODIES.
AND THEN AS IT RELATES TO THIS
QUESTION AROUND REGIONAL
COMMITTEES GENERALLY I'M
WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE
CHECKED IN WITH KING COUNTY TO
SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY TOO ARE
CONSIDERING ANY CHANGES THAT WE
SHOULD BE AWARE OF IN SORT OF
DOING THE GAME THEORY AROUND
IMPACTS OF POTENTIAL CHANGES
THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
AND LASTLY, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF
THE AS IT RELATES TO THE
COUNCIL BRIEFINGS, POTENTIAL
CHANGE AND SHIFTING US OUT TO
MAY I THINK THAT SEEMS LIKE AN
ELEGANT SOLUTION THAT
ACCOMPLISHES THE GOALS THAT I
HEARD FROM MEMBERS TODAY.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW KING COUNTY MEETS
TUESDAYS AT 2:00.
JUST POINT OF INFORMATION
THERE.
BUT DO WANT TO OFFER ANYBODY
FROM THE STAFF WORK GROUP IF
THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION RELATED TO WHAT
KING COUNTY MIGHT OR MAY NOT BE
CONSIDERING IN TERMS OF THEIR
MEETINGS>> WE HAVE NOT REACHED
OUT TO THEM.
ESTHER I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE
HAD ANY EXCHANGE WITH YOUR
COLLEAGUES AT KING COUNTY THAT
I MAY BE UNAWARE OF.
>> WE HAVE NOT.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY ACTUALLY A
REASON WE RULED OUT TUESDAY
AFTERNOON.
BUT THEN, DECIDED THAT WE
THOUGHT THAT THERE, WAS ENOUGH,
ENOUGH JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE
SIMILAR MEETING TIMES THAT IT
WOULD NOT BE IN CONFLICT AND,
BUT HAPPY TO HAVE A MORE FORMAL
CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY AS
YOU MAKE A FINAL KIND OF
DECISION ON THIS IS HELPFUL.
>> THANKS SO MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MORALES.
>> THANK YOU.
I WANT TO ECHO FIRST OF ALL
WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD
JUST SAID.
I WAS LATE TO THIS MEETING
BECAUSE I HAD MY OWN PSRC
DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT BOARD
MEETING ON WEDNESDAY.
AND WE WILL ONLY MEET FIVE
TIMES A YEAR BUT IT'S ON A
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.
AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO
MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL
PARTICIPATING IN THOSE
CONVERSATIONS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I
WANTED TO SIGNAL MY SUPPORT FOR
MEETING ON HAVING MONDAY
BRIEFING AND THEN TUESDAY
AFTERNOON MEETINGS.
I JUST, I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S
NOT ENOUGH TIME IF WE HAVE A
BRIEFING IN THE AFTERNOON AND
THEN MEET TUESDAY MORNING FOR
US TO REVIEW AMENDMENTS AND
REALLY DO DILIGENCE IF THERE'S
SOMETHING THAT COMES UP DURING
BRIEFINGS BEFORE A MONDAY,
TUESDAY MORNING MEETING.
SO JUST THROWING MY HAT INTO
THE TUESDAY AFTERNOON CAMP.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCIL
MEMBER MORALES.
DIRECTOR HANDY.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
THE KING COUNTY MEETS AT 2:00
P.M.
ON TUESDAYS.
IT'S NOT A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE
BUT A LITTLE BIT OF STAGGERING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN TERMS
OF IF THE PUBLIC IS COMMENTING
IT COULD DO BOTH IN ONE DAY AND
TRACK LEGISLATION.
SO JUST A SLIGHT UPDATE TO WHAT
I SAID PREVIOUSLY.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL
FOR THE ROBUST CONVERSATION ON
THAT PARTICULAR OPTION.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME SENSE OF
WHERE FOLKS WANT TO HEAD AND
COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ I WAS
PLANNING TO BRINGING FORWARD AN
AMENDMENT ON THAT HAPPY TO WORK
ON THAT TOGETHER.
OKAY GREAT SO OUR OFFICES WILL
CONNECT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO
ADVANCE SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT
SEEMS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT
I THINK WE HEARD THE COLLECTIVE
WILL WAS.
WHAT I HEARD THE COLLECTIVE
WILL WAS IS THAT COUNCIL
BRIEFINGS SHOULD GO FROM A
SHALL TO A MAY.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT
OF NEGOTIATION TO DO, OR WE'RE
THINKING TO DO ABOUT A TUESDAY
AFTERNOON FULL COUNCIL VERSUS A
WEDNESDAY MORNING FULL COUNCIL
MEETING.
MORE TO COME ON THAT BUT OUR
OFFICES WILL WORK TOGETHER ON
ADVANCING SOMETHING THAT MIGHT
BE ACCEPTABLE TO A MAJORITY OF
THE COUNCIL.
OKAY LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT
ONE.
>> OKAY ONE MORE ISSUE
DISCUSSED BY THE COMMITTEE
AGAIN NOT INCLUDED IN THE
RESOLUTION BUT HAVE SOME
OPTIONS FOR YOUR DISCUSSION
HERE.
REGARDS IS REGARDING THE
ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION OF
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
PARTICULARLY AT REGULAR
COMMITTEE AND FULL COUNCIL
MEETINGS.
THE RULES AS THEY CURRENTLY
STAND LIMIT ELECTRONIC
PARTICIPATION WHEN WE'RE NOT IN
A PANDEMIC.
I WILL START BY SAYING THERE
ARE SPECIAL RULES IN PLACE
RIGHT NOW THAT IS ENABLING FULL
ELECTRONI PARTICIPATION.
OUTSIDE OF THAT EMERGENCY A
COUNCIL MEMBER WHO MAY BE
GRANTED A LEAVE OF ABSENCE FOR
A PERSONAL SITUATION THAT
INCLUDES FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE,
PAY PARENTAL LEAVE OR PAY
FAMILY CARE LEAVE.
IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY
MAY PARTICIPATE E
ELECTRONICALLY AT A REGULAR
MEETING, A SPECIAL MEETING OR
EMERGENCY MEETING.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY
CIRCUMSTANCES CURRENTLY
PROVIDED IN THE RULES UNDER
WHICH A COUNCIL MEMBER COULD
PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY AT A
REGULAR MEETING.
IN THE CASE OF A SPECIAL
COMMITTEE MEETING A VOTE OF A
MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL CAN
ALSO ALLOW A COUNCIL MEMBER TO
PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY
EXCUSE ME.
AND THE THINKING HERE IS
SOMETIMES A SPECIAL COMMITTEE
MEETING IS CALLED ON SHORT
NOTICE OR UNDER SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES.
THERE ARE SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENTPROVISIONS FOR A
SPECIAL MEETING AND FOR AN
EMERGENCY MEETING IF IT IS NOT
PRACTICAL FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS
TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE OF A
NATURAL DISASTER, A COUNCIL
MEMBER COULD JOIN
ELECTRONICALLY.
YOU ALL MAY WANT TO CONSIDER
AMENDING THE RULES AROUND
ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION.
A COUPLE OF OPTIONS WE HAVE
LAYED OUT HERE FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION.
THE FIRST IS TO AMEND THE
COUNCIL RULES TO MAKE COUNCIL
MEMBER PARTICIPATION ALWAYS
ALLOWABLE WHICH IS THE SAME AS
AN EMERGENCY.
AND GRANTED AT THE DISCRETION
OF THE CHAIR.
ADD MORE FLEXIBLE TO THE RULES
BUT HAVE IT BE THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT OR COMMITTEE CHAIR
THAT IS ULTIMATELY SORT OF
MAKING A DECISION ABOUT HOW
THOSE COMMITTEES ARE RUN.
OR YOU COULD MAKE NO CHANGE AND
YOU KNOW CHOOSE TO REVISIT
THESE POLICIES FURTHER IN THE
FUTURE WHEN YOU HAVE A BETTER
SENSE OF WHAT A HYBRID OR
RETURN TO IN PERSON LOOKS LIKE
FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> GREAT, THANK YOU DIRECTOR
HANDY.
OKAY.
LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR
CONVERSATION HERE.
I WANT TO SIGNAL THAT, I'M
SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION A WHICH
WOULD AMEND THE COUNCIL RULES
TO MAKE THE COUNCIL MEMBER
ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION ALWAYS
ALLOWABLE.
AND SORT OF THE REFRAIN THAT
KEEPS RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD
IS I CONSIDER THIS PARTICULAR
ISSUE IS TIMES ARE CHANGING AND
THEY CONTINUE TO CHANGE AND
EVOLVE AND I THINK THAT
ALLOWING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO
CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE
ELECTRONICALLY IS A SORT OF
COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO HOW IN
OFFICE WORK HAS EVOLVED NOT
JUST FOR GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO
FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO
REFLECT THAT IN OUR WORKPLACE
STRATEGIES.
THIS DOESN'T PREVENT PEOPLE
FROM COMING INTO WORK OR HAVING
A HYBRID APPROACH AND I THINK
THAT THAT IS HEALTHY FOR US TO
CONTINUE TO DO OUR BUSINESS.
I WOULD SAY THAT COUNCIL
CHAMBERS IS ACTIVELY BEING
RETROFITTED TO ALLOW FOR A
HYBRID MODEL.
BOTH FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND FOR
COUNCIL MEMBER PARTICIPATION.
IN TERMS OF LOGISTICALLY WE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO PREPARE AND
ADAPT IF THIS RULE WERE ADOPTED
AND PASSED BY COUNCIL.
I THINK IT'S A MODERNIZATION OF
HOW WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO SHOW UP
AT THE WORKPLACE AND I WOULD
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE
MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THERE ARE MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS
THAT ARE EITHER IMMUNO
COMPROMISED THEMSELVES OR HAVE
FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE IMMUNO
COMPROMISED AND THIS COULD BE A
RULE CHANGE THAT ALLOWS FOR
THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MAKE
PERSONAL CHOICES ABOUT THE
AMENDOF EXPOSURE THEY'RE
WILLING TO UNDER TAKE AS
THEY'RE ENGAGING IN THESE
PUBLIC FORUMS.
NOTHING ABOUT THIS RULE MEANS
THAT PEOPLE WON'T BE ACCESSIBLE
OR THAT THEY AREN'T ENGAGES IN
GOOD FAITH AND PROACTIVITY IN
THEIR ROLE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO
CONSIDER OPTION A AS A WAY TO
BE REFLECTIVE AS HOW PEOPLE ARE
SHOWING UP IN OFFICES, WORK
SPACES CURRENTLY.
I THINK THAT IS GOING TO GO
WELL INTO THE FUTURE AS WELL.
-B. >>>
>> ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS
HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> I THINK OUR NORMAL IS
CHANGING.
I'M INTERESTED IN MORE FLEXIBLE
THAN IS CURRENTLY PROVIDED FOR
REMOTE PARTICIPATION.
I'M INTERESTED IN A HYBRID
APPROACH.
I DON'T, I THINK LEAVING IT UP
TO THE CHAIR TO DETERMINE WHAT
THE EXCEPTIONS ARE, MAY NOT
MEET THE OBJECTIVE OF CREATING
MORE FLEXIBLE.
BUT I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR
NOT WE AS A BODY COULD ADD MORE
FLEXIBILITY IN A WAY THAT STILL
MEETS THAT GOAL BUT ALSO
CREATES A SORT OF COMMON
EXPECTATION FOR ONE ANOTHER.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN SORT OF,
NOT TO OVERUSE THE WORD HYBRID
BUT A HYBRID BETWEEN OPTIONS A
AND B.
>> OKAY.
ANY THOUGHTS FROM THE STAFF
WORK GROUP ON WHAT A HYBRID
BETWEEN A AND B COULD LOOK
LIKE?
SK>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THERE
WOULD BE SOME PARAMETERS.
POSSIBLY ADVANCED NOTICE.
ALWAYS IS KIND OF A BIG WORD.
BUT SOME PARAMETERS THAT COULD
BE AROUND THAT ALWAYS.
SO THAT PREPARATION IS IN
ORDER.
ADVANCE NOTICE I WOULD SAY SO
THAT BOTH SEATTLE CHANNEL, BOTH
OUR TECH TEAM AND OBVIOUSLY OUR
CITY CLERKS KNOW IF THEY'RE
GOING TO BE WORKING IN THE
UPCOMING WEEK.
IT WON'T ALL BE REMOTE TODAY.
BUT I THINK ADVANCE NOTICE IS A
GOOD EXAMPLE OF TRYING TO THINK
OF OTHERS.
ESTHER OR LIZ IF THERE'S OTHER
THOUGHTS IN TERMS OF A HYBRID
VERSION OF A & B?
>> I WILL JUST ADD THAT COUNCIL
MEMBER HER BOLD TO YOUR COMMENT
ABOUT A PAIR OF SHARED
EXPECTATIONS.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S CRITERI TO
PAID FAMILY LEAVE.
YOU COULD ADD IF OUT OF TOWN OR
HEALTH CONCERN YOU ALL COULD
DECIDE AS A BODY LIKE WHAT ARE
THE EXPECTATIONS AROUND WHEN
YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE BEING IN
PERSON AND WHEN YOU WOULD ALLOW
ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION.
WE COULD ADD A CLAUSER TO THAT
LIKE THE CURRENT PROVISION OF
FAMILY LEAVE
ENABLESPARTICIPATION.
SOME OF THAT MAY BE HARDER TO
VERIFY ETC.
BUT IT WOULD BE IN THE SPIRIT
OF WHEN WE'RE HAVING A
GRIEVANCE OF WHEN WE'RE GOING
TO BE IN PERSON OR NOT.
>> THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF I'M
SPEAKING HERE IT'S NOT TO
MINIMIZE FLEXIBILITY BUT JUST
LIKE THE COUNCIL RULES DO
INHERENTLY FOR US.
THEY ARE ABOUT CREATING OUR
SHARED COMMENT EXPECTATIONS
THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT VERIFYING,
BUT IT'S ABOUT US ALL SORT OF
HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE
TO WHAT WE AGREE TO.
>> YEAH AND IT SUPPORTS THE
STRUCTURE OF THE MEETING, THE
FACILITATION OF THE MEETING
PROCESS, BEFORE, DURING AND
AFTER, SO.
>> I GENERALLY TRUST AND KNOW
FROM EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH
ALL OF YOU THAT YOU ALL SHOW UP
IN GOOD FAITH AND ARE DOING
HARD WORK ALL THE TIME.
AND SO FOR ME THIS IS REALLY
ABOUT HOW TO WE CREATE A, I
THINK INSTEAD OF SAYING
FLEXIBILITY IS MORE
PREDICTABILITY.
WE ARE SORT OF THE FACE OF THE
COUNCIL BUT BEHIND US ARE A LOT
OF FOLKS THAT ARE DOING REALLY
IMPORTANT BACK OF THE HOUSE
WORK TO FACILITATE OUR ABILITY
TO DO OUR COMMUNITY WORK AND
MEETINGS AND OTHERWISE.
FOR PURPOSE OF CREATING
INCREASE PREDICTABILITY FOR
STAFFING RESOURCES AND THEIR
EXPECTATIONS AROUND WHAT THEY
NEED TO DO TO PREPARE, I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO
IDENTIFY HOW WE CAN CREATE
GREATER PREDICTABILITY IN THE
ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE
CURRENTLY BEING ASKED TO WORK
IN AND THAT I THINK AS COUNCIL
MEMBER HERBOLD MENTIONED IS NOT
GOING TO END ANY TIME SOON.
I DO THINK THAT PUTS ME IN THE
SPACE OF LEANING.
SO WE'RE NOT ENGAGED IN A
PERMISSION BASED FRAME WORK FOR
ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT MORE OF A
HOW DO WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
PEOPLE NEED FLEXIBILITY ON
WHATEVER OUR PERSONAL NEEDS ARE
OR MEDICAL NEEDS MIGHT BE.
AND SECONDLY HOW DO WE DO THAT
IN A WAY THAT WILL INCREASE
PREDICTABILITY FOR LEGISLATIVE
STAFF.
WE'RE GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR
A FACTUATION OF GOVERNANCE.
MAYBE WHAT WE REQUIRE IS EVERY
QUARTER OR EVERY MONTH THE
SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBER MUST
DESIGNATE WHETHER MUST DISCLOSE
PUBLICLY AND TO THE CITY
WHETHER THEY WILL CONDUCT THEIR
CITY BUSINESS REMOTELY OR IN
PERSON SO THAT WE CAN HAVE
PROPER PLANNING OF RESOURCES AT
THE LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING
ABOUT SORT OF WHETHER IT'S AT
THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH OR
FOR AN ENTIRE QUARTER.
BUT SOMETHING FOR US TO
CONSIDER THAT MIGHT BE A
SOLUTION TO THE CONCERNS
YOURSELF EXPRESSING COUNCIL
MEMBER HERBOLD.
ALL
RIGHT LOOKS LIKE I DON'T SEE
ANY OTHER HANDS RAISED.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE?
ALL RIGHT, LET'S KEEP GOING
THROUGH.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO
START LOSING SOME FOLKS.
>> THIS NEXT SECTION WE'LL GET
THROUGH REALLY QUICK.
WE JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT
THERE ARE SIX IDEAS THAT WERE
SUGGESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS
THAT THE WORK GROUP DISCUSSED
BUT CHOSE NOT TO ADVANCE IN THE
RESOLUTION IF COUNCIL MEMBERS
WOULD LIKE TO ANY OF THESE
COULD BE DRAFTED AND MOVED INTO
THE AMENDMENTS.
THOSE IDEAS INCLUDING
ALLOWINGABSTENTIONS OF
RESOLUTIONS AT FULL COUNCIL
MEETINGS.
AMENDMENT DELAYS.
RECONSIDERING THE ROLES OF
COMMITTEES SO IF A COMMITTEE
DID NOT, IF A BILL DOES NOT
RECEIVE A MAJORITY SUPPORT IN
THE COMMITTEE IT DOES NOT GET
ADVANCED TO FULL COUNCIL.
RECESS, ADDING LANGUAGE THAT
WHEN MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS
SPEAKS AT THE SAME TIME OR WHEN
A COUNCIL MEMBER SPEAKS WITHOUT
THE PERMISSION, THEIR AUDIO
SOURCE COULD BE MUTED.
AND WHERE LEGISLATION IS
REFERRED TO, SPECIFICALLY THAT
THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT WILL
CONSIDER THE PREFERENCE OF THE
COMMITTEE CHAIR IN WHEN AND
WHERE THAT BILL GETS REFERRED.
SO HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ON
ANY OF THESE OR HEAR IF THERE
ARE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS OR
IDEAS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE
LOOKING TO MOVE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER STRAUSS I SEE
YOUR HAND IS RAISED.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT,
CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF MY PROPOSALS
THAT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD.
EITHER THIS WOULD BE A GOOD
OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SHARE
WITH ME WHY THIS WAS NOT
CONTAINED WITHIN THIS MEMO OR
CONTAINED WITHIN THIS DRAFT OR
IF YOU NEED TO MEET WITH ME
SEPARATELY IN CONSIDERING THE
TIME FOR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS
AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO
START LOSING FOLKS.
SO HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU TO
THE SIDE.
I SEE THAT SOME OF MY IDEAS
WERE MISS INTERPRETED OR WE HAD
SOME SORT OF MISCOMMUNICATION.
SO IT'S ALL AN ICONIC.
IF YOU COULD KEEP THAT ON THE
SCREEN.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THANK YOU.
>> I'M, YEAH I'M HAPPY IF THERE
ARE ANY MISINTERPRETED.
I WOULD SAY BY LARGE MOST OF
THESE FELT LIKE SUBSTANTIVE
POLICY CHANGES SO IF THERE IS
MANY OF OUR FIRST 14 WERE MORE
TECHNICAL IN NATURE.
WE TACKLED THE TWO IN THE
SECTION ABOVE WHERE THERE
SEEMED TO BE MULTIPLE COUNCIL
MEMBERS RAISED ISSUES, NOT
INTENDING TO SAY THEY'RE BAD
IDEAS BUT THEY'RE ALL
SUBSTANTIVE POLICY DISCUSSIONS
AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE
INTEREST.
HAPPY TO TACKLE THEM.
I WOULD SAY THERE ARE A COUPLE
AROUND KIND OF TIME LIMITS AND
THE ONE AROUND BEING OUT OF
ORDER.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE RULES THAT
THOSE TOUCH SO IF WE WANT TO
TACKLE ONE WE MIGHT WANT TO
BROADEN THE DISCUSSION TO
INCLUDE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS
THAT TOUCH THEM.
>> THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL SO I
SHOULD NOT READ THESE AS ITEMS
YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THESE ARE
ITEMS THAT YOU ARE BRINGING
FORWARD IF WE WERE TO DISCUSS
THEM.
>> GROUP MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE
ANY DIFFERENT TAKE ON THAT.
>> NO, I THINK YOU HIT IT.
ESTHER YES.
I THINK THIS WARRANTED
DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE
WITHIDISCUSSIONS WITHIN
MEMBERS.
THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT EVERYTHING
HAS PRESENTED IN.
BUT THESE WEREN'T REALLY
FURTHER DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE
THESE WEREN'T FURTHER
UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNCIL
WOULD LIKE TO AMEND
SPECIFICALLY.
>> MAYBE IF WE CAN SCROLL BACK
UP TO NUMBER ONE.
I CAN JUST PROVIDE YOU MY FEED
BACK IN WHERE I THINK THERE WAS
CONFUSION.
ALLOWING ABSTENTIONS I'M FINE
WITH THIS ONE.
NUMBER TWO, AMENDING THE RULES
OF DEBATE TO ESTABLISH A TIME
LIMIT SUCH AS TWO TO THREE
MINUTES PER COUNCIL MEMBER ON A
SINGLE TOPIC.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A BIT OF A
BLUNT DESCRIPTION FOR WHAT I
WAS HOPING TO HAVE A DYNAMIC
SET OF RULES.
SO THAT IF YOU HAVE AND IT'S
NOT SO DIFFERENT THAN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
IF WE ARE ASKING RESIDENTS OF
CITY OF SEATTLE TO KEEP THEIR
COMMENTS TO BILLS FOR TWO
MINUTES.
WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY NEED
TO SPEAK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE
THAN TWO MINUTES WE SHOULD
STILL BE ABLE TO SUMMARIZE WHAT
WE'RE SAYING WITHIN FIVE
MINUTES.
HAVING THE ABILITY TO RESPOND
TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO
HAVE PROBLEMS OR YOU KNOW
HAVING THOSE DYNAMIC RULES OF
DEBATE WILL ASSIST US IN BEING
ABLE TO HAVE A COHESIVE AND
CLEAR CONVERSATION IN THE
PUBLIC.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT I
WILL BE BRINGING.
NUMBER THREE RECONSIDER THE
RULES OF COMMITTEE IN ADVANCING
LEGISLATION.
SUCH THAT IF AN ITEM OF
LEGISLATION DOES NOT RECEIVE
THE MAJORITY SUPPORT IN THE
COMMITTEE IT IS NOT TAKING UP
AT FULL COUNCIL.
CURRENTLY IT IS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT A BILL THAT
RECEIVES A MAJORITY OPPOSITION
VOTE IN A MINORITY SUPPORT VOTE
STILL ADVANCES OUT OF THE
COMMITTEE.
THIS CHALLENGES MY
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEN THE
COMMITTEE IS MADE FOR.
OTHER THAN JUST A SIMPLE
DISCUSSION.
IF THIS IS A, SITUATION WHERE
THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE
DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS
BEST FOR THE LEGISLATION TO
ADVANCE, I THINK THAT THE
LEGISLATION NEEDS TO REMAIN IN
COMMITTEE UNTIL IT IS READY FOR
FULL COUNCIL.
NUMBER FOUR ADDING ANOTHER
RECESS IN APRIL, THIS ENTIRE
PARAGRAPH I WOULD SAY IS
FLIPPED.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS
IS ESTABLISHING OUR SEQUENCE OF
WORK.
LEAST IMPORTANT IS ADDING A
RECESS IN APRIL.
IT COULD BE HELPFUL.
I'M KIND OF AGNOSTIC ON THE
RECESS ASPECT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE JUST A SECOND
TO PAUSE.
SO THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
COLLEAGUES YOU CAN HEAR WHAT
I'M SAYING.
BECAUSE THIS IS A, THE
DESCRIPTION IN NUMBER FOUR DOES
NOT DO MY PROPOSAL JUSTICE.
AND I'M NOT, THERE'S NO FAULT
BEING PRESCRIBED HERE.
JUST A LOT GOING ON.
WHAT I HAVE NOTICED WORKING
HERE AT COUNCIL IS THAT WE DO
NOT HAVE WE SPREAD OURSELVES
TOO THIN AT BOTH COMMITTEE AND
FULL COUNCIL TO A DEGREE THAT
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO REVIEW IN
COMMITTEE LEGISLATION TO THE
DEGREE THAT WE NEED TO.
AND THEN WHEN THAT LEGISLATION
LEAVES THE COMMITTEE WE DO NOT
HAVE THE TIME AT FULL COUNCIL
TO DIGEST, UNDERSTAND AND HAVE
A WELL FOUNDED POSITION AT
TIMES.
THE WAY THE LEGISLATURE, THE
STATE LEGISLATURE SOLVES FOR
THIS IS THAT DURING THE
LEGISLATIVE SESSION THERE'S A
PERIOD OF TIME AT THE BEGINNING
OF THE SESSION TO WORK AT
COMMITTEE.
IF THE BILL IS NOT WORKED OUT
OF BY A DATE CERTAIN AND MOVED
TO THE FULL COUNCIL AGENDA OR
AT THAT POINT TO THE RULES
COMMITTEE.
OR TO THE THE LEGISLATIVE FOR
THEN THE BILL DIES FOR THAT
SESSION.
SO THAT WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS
FOR FOLKS TO CONSIDER OUT OF
PASSAGE.
THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR, YOU CAN
THINK OF IT MUCH LIKE A BUDGET
SESSION.
WHERE THE BUDGET SESSION ALLOWS
FOR US TO MAKE SPECIAL MEETINGS
TO TAKE UP BUSINESS THAT IS
TIME SENSITIVE SUCH A THIS LAST
BUDGET SEASON WE HAD A CONTRACT
REZONE THAT HAD TO BE PASSED.
THIS PROPOSAL THAT I'M GOING TO
BRING FORWARD WILL SET UP A
LEGISLATIVE CYCLE FOR US TO
BETTER SPEND OUR TIME TO
INVESTIGATE, ANALYZE AND
UNDERSTAND THE LEGISLATION
BEFORE US BY SETTING UP A TIME
JUST FOR COMMITTEE SO THAT
WE'RE NOT SPENDING NECESSARILY
TIME IN COUNCIL BRIEFING OR
FULL COUNCIL UNNECESSARILY.
AND THEN AFTER DATE CERTAIN
THOSE BILLS WILL BE TRANSFERRED
TO THE FULL COUNCIL WHERE WE
WILL THEN HAVE A SERIOUS OF
FULL COUNCIL MEETINGS.
NOT SO DIFFERENT THAN BUDGET
WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE
MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND THE LEGISLATION
BEFORE US.
SPEAKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER
HERBOLD TODAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD HAD
DIFFERENT DECISIONS.
THE WAY SCHEDULE WAS SET UP WE
DID NOT AT FULL COUNCIL HAVE
THE TIME TO HAVE A FULL
DISCUSSION.
IT LED TO US HAVING MULTIPLE
MEETINGS ON THIS BILL ANY WAY.
MY PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE THE SAME
PERIOD OF TIME.
LET'S CALL IT A MONTH.
TO FLUSH THIS OUT.
A MONTH FOR COMMITTEE.
HALF MONTH OR FULL MONTH FOR
FULL COUNCIL THEN WE RESTART
THECYCLE AGAIN.
IN THIS, IN ITEM NUMBER FOUR
THE EXAMPLE OF SESSION ONE
WOULD LAST FROM JANUARY TO
APRIL.
SESSION TWO MAY THROUGH AUGUST
RECESS.
WITH A QUICK SESSION FOR
TIDYING UP BEFORE WE GO TO
BUDGET.
THEN THE BUDGET SESSION AND
MUCH WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW
IS CLEAN UP RIGHT BEFORE THE
END OF THE YEAR.
THAT WAS A LOT AND IT WAS NOT
INCLUDED IN THIS MEMO SO I WILL
TAKE A MOMENT TO TAKE
QUESTIONS.
I WOULD SAY, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF
ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
AND HAVE NOT FORMED AN OPINION
ON NUMBER SIX.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND COUNCIL
PRESIDENT.
>> THANKS SO MUCH.
OKAY ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS.
AGAIN THESE ARE ITEMS THAT THE
WORK GROUP DECIDED TO NOT, NOT
ADVANCE.
AND SO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
THESE ITEMS ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS
HAVE THE OPTION TO BRING
FORWARD AMENDMENTS.
AGAIN FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE
NOT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
HAPPY TO IN THE SPIRIT OF OPEN
DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION I'M
HAPPY TO, SPONSOR YOUR
AMENDMENTS IF YOU ARE LOOKING
TO BE AN AUTHOR TO A PARTICULAR
AMENDMENT.
BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION AND
DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES ON THAT
I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THAT
OFFER TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE
NOT COMMITTEE MEMBERS BUT ARE
IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU.
TO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER STRAUSS.
IT'S A VERY INTERESTING, NOVEL
CONCEPT AS IT RELATES TO A
MUNICIPAL LEGISLATIVE BODY TO
MY AWARENESS.
AND AS HE MENTIONED WE DID
DISCUSS THIS EARLIER TODAY.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW
HOW WE MIGHT ACCOMMODATE THE
CONTINUUM OF WHAT IS TIME
SENSITIVE LEGISLATION.
AND THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT
TYPES OF TIME SENSITIVE
LEGISLATION.
THERE'S THE TYPE OF LEGISLATION
THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON EVERY
WEEK RIGHT.
AND THEN THERE ARE, THERE ARE
TIME SENSITIVE BILLS THAT ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH NEED TO ACT.
BECAUSE OF OTHER EXTERNAL
FORCES.
AND I JUST, I WOULD BE
INTERESTED TO UNDERSTAND A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW WE
COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT
CONTINUUM OF TIME SENSITIVE
ACTION ON BEHALF OF THE FULL
COUNCIL.
AND CREATE AND INTERESTED ABOUT
A PROPOSAL.
WANTING TO SPEAK TO ITEMS FIVE
AND SIX.
ITEM FIVE FOR ME CAME UP
RECENTLY AND THERE MAY BE.
I APPRECIATE THE TEAM MEETING
ME AND GOING OVER THE RULES
THAT THEY WERE PUTTING FORWARD.
ONE PIECE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN
CLARITY ABOUT THOUGH, RELATES
TO MY REQUEST ON ITEM FIVE FOR
ME THIS CAME UP WHEN THERE WAS
A SUGGESTION WHERE A COUNCIL
MEMBER WAS BEING IDENTIFIED AS
OUT OF ORDER BY THE CHAIR.
AND THAT INDIVIDUAL CONTINUED
TALKING AND THE CHAIR STATED
THAT THE INTENT IF THE ACTIVITY
CONTINUED, THAT THE CHAIR WOULD
REQUEST THAT THE CLERK TURN OFF
THE MIC AND THE RESPONSE FROM
THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS BEING
CALLED OUT OF ORDER WAS THAT
THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED.
SO MY QUESTION REALLY AS IT
RELATES TO THIS IS WHAT ARE THE
PERMITTED TOOLS FOR THE CHAIR
TO UTILIZE WHEN SOMEONE IS OUT
OF ORDER?
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD
QUESTION, BUT I THINK ALSO MORE
IMPORTANTLY WHAT ARE THE TOOLS
AVAILABLE FOR THE CHAIR WHEN
THE CHAIR HAS DETERMINED THAT A
MEMBER IS OUT OF ORDER BUT
REFUSES TO COMPLY WITH THE
CONSEQUENCES OF BEING FOUND OUT
OF ORDER IN OTHER WORDS
CONTINUES TO EXHIBIT THE OUT
OFORDER BEHAVIOR.
>> CORRECT.
THAT WAS MY INTENT.
>> THE COMPLIANCE IS NOT
SOMEBODY BE OUT OF ORDER BUT
THE COMPLIANCE COMPONENT.
>> CORRECT.
ANYTHING IN THE EXISTING RULES
THAT CAN ADDRESS THIS.
>> I'M NOT PARTICULARLY WELL
VERSED IF THOSE RULES SO I WAS
GOING TO ASK CURT SIMMONS OR
ADKINSON.
DO YOU KNOW THOSE OFF THE TIP
OF YOUR TONGUE.
>> I SHOULD AND I DON'T HAVE
THOSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
LIZ DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE IN
FRONT OF YOU IN THE
DOCUMENTATION.
>> I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO
REVIEW OUR POINTS OF ORDER AND
HOW THEY'RE BROUGHT UP
SPECIFICALLY.
IT'S VERY SPECIFIC WHEN YOU CAN
RAISE THE POINT OF ORDER.
WHO CAN RAISE THE POINT OF
ORDER AND WHO WOULD DECIDE ON
THE POINT OF ORDER.
I BELIEVE AGAIN THE POINT OF
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE
CONTINUES TO NOT BE A. HERE'S
HOW THIS PROCESS WOULD MOVE
FORWARD.
I WOULD MAKE JUST ONE NOTICE
HERE.
AS YOU ARE CONSIDERING HOW YOU
COULD ADDRESS THIS ISSUE IN THE
RULES THEMSELVES PERHAPS WITH
AN AMENDMENT TOO IS THE IDEA
ABOUT THE AUDIO SOURCE AND
CONTEMPLATING AGAIN HYBRID
SITUATION SO NOT JUST OUR
VIRTUAL MEETINGS BUT ALSO WHEN
WE'RE BACK IN IN PERSON AND THE
MUTING OF AN AUDIO SOURCE
VERSUS SOME OTHER SORT OF
COMPLIANCE ISSUE.
SO DEFINITELY THINKING AHEAD TO
THE FUTURE WHEN WE GET BACK
INTO SOME SORT OF ALL IN
PERSON, HYBRID OPTION.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN
THESE.
IN THE END I DO BELIEVE THIS IS
WHERE WE THOUGHT SOME OF THESE
ITEMS WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE
FURTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE THEY
DO FLOW TOGETHER AS FAR AS HOW
YOU WANT TO PROCEED IN YOUR
MEETINGS WITH DEBATE AND ALSO
WHEN YOU DO HAVE THESE OUT OF
ORDER TIMES HOW DO YOU WANT TO
HANDLE THEM AND WHAT TOOLS CAN
WE BUILD INTO THE RULES FOR YOU
TO ADDRESS THEM APPROPRIATELY.
>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE
COULD, THE WORKING GROUP CAN
YOU KNOW, MEET WITH OUR FULL
WORKING GROUP AND BRING THESE
BACK AND JUST KIND OF REALLY
FOCUS ON MORE OF THAT TOOL KIT.
OR THAT.
GRADUATED PROCESS IF IT'S
NEEDED.
BUT I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN
BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE PAST AND
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'VE REALLY
ADDRESSED IT SUFFICIENTLY.
IN PREPARING THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS FOR THESE SITUATIONS.
>> THANK YOU JUST AS A POINT OF
CLARIFICATION OR EXPLANATION.
THE REASON WHY I PROPOSE WHAT I
DID IS THERE IS A PROCESS FOR
DETERMINING THAT A MEMBER OF
THE PUBLIC TESTIFYING IS OUT OF
ORDER.
AND THERE IS A CONSEQUENCE IF
THAT PERSON CONTINUES TO FAIL
TO COMPLY AND THE CONSEQUENCE
IS TURNING OFF, OR ASKING THE
CLERK TO TURN OFF THE AUDIO.
THAT CREATES A SITUATION AS
DEPUTY CLERK ADKINSON MENTIONS
WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY
STILL STANDING AT THE MIC
TALKING EVEN THOUGH THE MIC IS
TURNED OFF.
THIS IS AN IMPERFECT TOOL NOW
AND IT WOULD BE AN IMPERFECT
TOOL MOVING FORWARD BUT I
WANTED TO START THE
CONVERSATION SOME WHERE ON
THIS.
>> WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND YES THAT IS A PROGRESSIVE
PROCESS AND ONE WHERE WE CAN
INVOLVE AND COME TOGETHER AND
DEVELOP SOME TOOLS AND
DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT MAYBE
THE TOOL IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE
COUNCIL RULES OR LESS FORMAL.
EITHER WAY.
THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE
COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
>> THIS IS ANOTHER SOME WHAT
RECENT REAL WORLD SITUATION
THAT I REFLECTED UPON.
THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE A
SPONSOR OF LEGISLATION
REQUESTED THAT LEGISLATION SKIP
A COMMITTEE AND BE ASSIGNED
DIRECTLY TO FULL COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT
TO CONSIDER THAT IN CASES WHEN
THE COMMITTEE CHAIR IS NOT THE
SPONSOR OF THAT LEGISLATION.
THAT THE EXPECTATION BE CREATED
FOR THE PROCESS.
THE IRC PROCESS.
THAT THE PRESIDENT CONSIDER THE
PREFERENCE OF THE COMMITTEE
CHAIR JUST TO CHECK RIGHT THAT
A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S
CONSIDERING LEGISLATION THAT
WOULD NORMALLY GO INTO THAT
COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT
COMMITTEE CHAIR AGREES WITH
THAT APPROACH.
I THINK THAT CREATES AN
EXPECTATION THAT SORT OF
MINIMIZES UNDUE PRESSURE AND
INFLUENCE ON EVERYBODY INVOLVED
WHEN YOU HAVE A SPONSOR OF A
PIECE OF LEGISLATION WHO
ISCREATING A SENSE OF URGENCY
FOR THAT LEGISLATION TO BE
HEARD.
I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO THREAD
THE NEEDLE ON THIS ONE.
I WOULD ASK FOR COUNCIL HERBOLD
AND OUR OFFICES TO HAVE A
LITTLE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT
THIS ONE.
I THINK IN PRACTICE THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT GENERALLY CONSULTS
WITH AND IN SOME INSTANCES NOT
JUST TAKES THEIR PREFERENCE
INTO CONSIDERATION BUT DEFERS
TO THEIR PREFERENCE.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET.
THAT WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE IS
IN THE RULES IS CONSISTENT WITH
WHAT THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN.
SO THAT WE ARE NOT CREATING
SORT OF THE INADVERTENT
CONSEQUENCE OF STONE WALLING
LEGISLATION IN ITS ENTIRETY.
BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS STILL
HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTRODUCE
LEGISLATION AS PART OF THEIR
CHARTER DUTIES.
SO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE CAN
GET THAT LANGUAGE NAILED DOWN
IN A WAY THAT MIGHT BE
REFLECTIVE OF THE ART THAT IS
MAKING DECISIONS FROM THE
COUNCIL PRESIDENT SEAT ABOUT
REFERRAL WITH THE BENEFIT OF
HAVING INFORMATION AND
CONSULTATION WITH THE CHAIR
RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT COMMITTEE
WORK.
I THINK THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO
GET THERE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL
BE ABLE TO DO THAT OVER THE
NEXT FEW DAYS.
THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS ONE
COUNCIL MEMBER HERBOLD I'M
INTRIGUED BY IS THE PORTION
REFERRING TO SUBSTANTIVE
LEGISLATION NOT BEING REFERRED
TO COUNCIL WHEN COUNCIL
MEETINGS ARE SUSPENDED DURING
BUDGET DELIBERATIONS.
I HAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH
DIRECTOR HANDY ABOUT CREATING A
PROCESS.
NOW THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE
WANT TO PUT THE PROCESS INTO
COMMISSION RULES OR POLICY.
IN THE EVENT A COUNCIL MEMBER
IS INTERESTED IN PROPOSING
SUBSTANTIVE LEGISLATION DURING
BUDGET PROCESS IN WE'RE ALL
STANDING AND REGULAR COMMITTEE
AND REGULAR COMMITTEE MEETINGS
HAVE BEEN CANCELED THAT THE
CENTRAL STAFF DIRECTOR WOULD
NEED TO OBTAIN THE WRITTEN
CONSENT AND PERMISSION FROM
BOTH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND
THE BUDGET CHAIR IN ORDER TO
ALLOW FOR COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF
TO EITHER WORK ON THAT
LEGISLATION OR GREEN LIGHT THE
REFERRAL OF THAT LEGISLATION TO
FULL COUNCIL OR ANY WHERE ELSE.
AND IN PART OF WHAT WE WERE
MODELING THAT AFTER WAS THE
SYMBOL TO THE PROCESS THAT WE
USED IN LIMITING WHETHER OR NOT
SPECIAL MEETINGS CAN BE HAD OF
CERTAIN COMMITTEES BECAUSE OF
TIME SENSITIVE LEGISLATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE COUNCIL MEMBER
STRAUSS BECAUSE OF TIME
SENSITIVE LEGISLATION THE
PROCESS WE USED FOR THAT WAS
CONSISTENT FOR THE BUDGET CHAIR
AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT OFFICE IN
ORDER FOR THOSE COMMITTEES TO
BE ABLE TO ADVANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S
SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE
INTERESTED IN EMULATING IN THIS
SPACE.
AND OR WHETHER YOU PREFER YOUR
LANGUAGE MORE OR WHETHER YOU
WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IN HAVING
THAT.
IF YOU OR OTHER COUNCIL
MEMBERSWOULD HAVE THAT EXIST IN
BUDGET RULES.
>> RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S, THIS
IS A BAD ANALOGY THERE'S MORE
THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO SKIN A CAT
BUT I COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER WAY
TO SAY IT.
UNDERLYING AN OBJECTIVE NOT A
PATH FOR GETTING THERE.
APPRECIATE YOUR GOOD THINKING
ABOUT THAT.
BEFORE I STOP TALKING ABOUT ALL
OF THIS.
MA'AM PRESIDENT I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOUR REAL WORLD
EXPERIENCE.
OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS ON
HELPING US THINK ABOUT THIS FOR
NEXT YEAR.
VERY, VERY VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
>> MY PLEASURE.
MY PLEASURE OKAY COLLEAGUES
WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END
OF OUR TIME HERE IT'S 3:59 P.M.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS THAT FOLKS WOULD
LIKE TO ADD TO THE RECORD HERE
BEFORE WE ADJOURN?
OKAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER STRAUSS PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL PRESIDENT
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE.
COULD YOU REMIND US AGAIN THE
TIME LINE AND FRAME WORK FOR
BRINGING FORWARD.
I BELIEVE THE DEADLINE IS
FRIDAY.
CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE
PROCESS I KNOW THAT AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE MEETING I
HEARD WE WILL MEET NEXT WEEK
AND HAVE THIS OUT BY THE 13th
BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A
REFRESHER.
>> IT'S LIKE YOUR READING MY
SCRIPT COUNCIL MEMBER STRAUSS.
I'M HEADING RIGHT THERE.
PROCESS WISE, THANK YOU
EVERYBODY FOR JOINING US.
AS A REMINDER THE DEADLINE TO
GET AMENDMENT REQUEST TO
CENTRAL STAFF IS NOON.
THAT'S 12:00 P.M.
THIS FRIDAY DECEMBER 3rd.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DAYS TO
WORK ON THIS.
AND WE WILL TAKE UP THE
RESOLUTION AND ANY PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS DURING THE
DECEMBER 8th SPECIAL MEETING OF
THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE.
THAT WILL BE AT 2:00 P.M.
THE GOAL IS TO HAVE FINAL
ACTION ON THIS RESOLUTION ON
MONDAY DECEMBER 13th AT 2:00
P.M.
SO AGAIN EVEN IF YOU'RE ON THE
FENCE WITH SOME OF THESE
AMENDMENTS, I DO WANT TO
ENCOUNSELOR US TO
ENCOURAGE US TO DAYLIGHT AND
BRING THOSE FORWARD FOR
TRANSPARENCY.
AND IF THERE ARE ANYTHING YOU
WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD FOR
TRANSPARENCY.
I WOULD STILL LIKE THEM TO BE
DISCUSSED BECAUSE I THINK THAT
WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO FOR
THIS NEXT MEETING.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO
CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT YOUR AMENDMENT AND THE
EFFECTS AND WANT TO GET THE
BENEFIT OF A REAL WORLD
EXPERIENCE SITTING IN THE
COUNCIL PRESIDENT SEAT FOR THE
LAST TWO YEARS HAPPY TO PROVIDE
YOU ALL WITH ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION AND THINK THROUGH
ANY POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES OR
BENEFITS OF ADVANCING
PARTICULAR AMENDMENTS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID I DO WANT
TO THANK THE STAFF WORK GROUP
MONICA.
ESTHER, ELIZABETH, AND THE CITY
CLERKS WHO HAVE PROVIDED US THE
BENEFIT OF THEIR GUIDANCE.
GARY SMITH FROM THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
FOR ALL OF YOUR GOOD HARD WORK
ON THIS BIANNUAL PROCESS REALLY
APPRECIATE IT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID IF THERE'S
NO OTHER BUSINESS TO COME
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE WE WILL BE
ADJOURNED.
HEARING NO FURTHER BUSINESS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING FOR
TODAY AND OUR MEETING IS
ADJOURNED.
THANKS EVERYONE.
SEE YOU SOON.
>> THANK YOU.
>> RECORDING STOPPED.