>>> WE ARE RECORDING.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MAY 5th, 2022 SPECIAL MEETING OF
THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND HUMAN
SERVICES COMMITTEE WILL COME TO
ORDER.
IT IS 2:02 P.M.
AND I AM LISA
HERBOLD, CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL?
[ CALLING ROLL ]
.
>> THREE PRESENT.
>> THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR MOSQUEDA'S OFFICE LET
ME KNOW THAT SHE WOULD NOT BE
ABLE TO ARRIVE.
AND WILL ARRIVE LATER.
>>> TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE A
HEARING ON 120294, ALSO KNOWN AS
THE PAY UP MINIMUM TRANSPARENCY
LEGISLATION.
WITH THAT, WE WILL APPROVE OUR
AGENDA FOR OUR COMMITTEE
MEETING.
THERE IS NO OBJECTION.
TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE ADOPTED.
HEARING NO OBJECTION, TODAY'S
AGENDA IS ADOPTED.
I WILL MODERATE THE HEARING IN
THE FOLLOWING MANNER.
EACH SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO
TESTIFY WILL BE GIVEN 2 MINUTES.
I WILL CALL ON EACH SPEAKER BY
NAME AND IN THE ORDER ON WHICH
THEY REGISTERED ON THE COUNCIL'S
WEBSITE.
IF YOU HAVE NOT REGISTERED TO
SPEAK BUT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK, YOU CAN SIGN UP BEFORE
THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING BY
GOING TO THE COUNCIL'S WEBSITE.
THIS LINK IS ALSO LISTED ON
TODAY'S AGENDA.
WHEN A CALL A SPEAKER'S NAME,
YOU WILL HEAR A PROMPT.
ONCE YOU HEAR THE PROMPT, HIT
STAR 6 TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
PLEASE BEGIN SPEAKING BY STATING
YOUR NAME.
SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN
10 SECONDS ARE LEFT OF THE
ALLOTTED TIME.
ONCE THE SPEAKER HEARS THAT
CHIME, WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE
WRAP UP YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IF YOU DO NOT END YOUR COMMENTS
AT THE END OF THE ALLOTTED TIME
PROVIDED, THE SPEAKER'S MIC WILL
BE MUTED AFTER 10 SECONDS TO
ALLOW US TO HEAR FROM THE NEXT
SPEAKER.
ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENT, POLICE
DISCONNECT FROM THE LINE.
IF YOU PLAN TO CONTINUE
FOLLOWING THE MEETING, YOU CAN
DO SO THROUGH THE SEATTLE
CHANNEL OR THE OPTIONS ON THE
AGENDA.
CURRENTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE
ABOUT 32 PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO
TESTIFY.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING
HERE TODAY.
I RECOGNIZE THAT IN REGULAR
COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE HAVE NOT
BEEN ABLE TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY
WHO HAS TESTIFIED AND HOPEFULLY
THIS EXTRA TIME IS USEFUL IN
ENSURING THAT WE DO HEAR FROM
MORE FOLKS.
WITH THAT, CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE
READ IN AGENDA ITEM ONE SO WE
CAN GET THAT INTO THE RECORD AND
OPEN THE HEARING?
>> COMMITTEE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
ONE, COUNSEL BILL 120284, AN
ORDINANCE RELATING TO APP BASED
WORKER LABOR STANDARDS
ESTABLISHING A COMPEN STATION
FOR APBASED WORKERS.
AMENDING SECTIONS 3.02.1 IT 5,
AND 6.208.020 OF THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE AND ADDING A NEW
TITLE 8 TO THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
CODE.
>> THANK YOU.
SO I WILL START WITH LACHESIA
FARMER WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
ANNA POWELL.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I AM LACHESIA FARMER WITH
WORKING WASHINGTON.
I WANTED TO SPEAK ON TWO
AMENDMENTS WE ARE AGAINS.
FIRST, WE REJECT ALLOWING
COMPANIES TO CALCULATE MINIMUM
PAYMENT ON A PAID PERIOD BASIS
RATHER THAN ON A PER OFFER
BASIS.
COMPANIES ARE SEEKING THIS
BECAUSE IT WOULD RESULT IN A
SIGNIFICANT PAY CUT.
IT WOULD LOWER THE PAY AND
UNDERMINE PROTECTION AND HAS NO
BASIS IN HOW CONTRACTORS ARE
OTHERWISE PAID.
IF IMPLEMENTED, THIS CHANGE
WOULD UNDERMINE ININTENT OF THE
POLICY.
SEATTLE'S FAIR SHARE MINIMUM
PAYMENT FOR TNC DRIVERS IS
APPLIED TO EACH OFFER AS IS THE
MINIMUM AGREEMENT PAID BY UBER
AND LYFT IN THE HOUSE BILL 2076.
EVERY POLICY NOT BY THE COMPANY
CALCULATES ON A PER OFFER BASIS
BECAUSE A WEEKLY CALCULATION IS
A PAY CUT IN DISGUISE.
WE REJECT THE MARKET PLACE
COMPANIES.
REMOVING NETWORK COMPANIES WOULD
UNDERMINE THE PURPOSE OF THIS
ORDINANCE, LEAVING THOUSANDS OF
WORKERS WITHOUT PROTECTION.
THE MARKET PLACE DEFINITION HAS
NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED TO IDENTIFY
A TYPE OF COMPANY WHERE LABOR
STANDARDS ARE NOT NECESSARY BUT
TO DEFINE A TYPE OF COMPANY THAT
NEEDS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO
ACCOMMODATE FOR HOW WORKERS AND
CUSTOMERS INTERACT.
USING THIS DEFINITION AS A BASIS
TO EXCLUDE WORKERS COULD HAVE
DISASTEROUS IMPACT AND
INCENTVISE BAD ACTORS TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF A LOOP HOLE.
ROVER AND TAX REV T HAVE ENGAGED
IN THE PAYOUT POLICY FOR ALMOST
A YEAR.
STAKE HOLDERS HAVE WORKED TO
IDENTIFY POLICY SOLUTIONS WHICH
ACCOMMODATE CHANGING BUSINESS
MAULDLES AND ALSO FULFILLING THE
INTENTION OF PROVIDING BASIC
LABOR STANDARDS.
THE PAY POLICY HAS BEEN
DESCRIBED AS A BROAD STANDARD
FOR GIG WORKERS.
WHEE URGE YOU TO REJECT THE
AMENDMENTS AND PASS THE
LEGISLATION AS INTENDED.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ANNA POWELL.
ANNA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SHELBY
HANSON.
>> HI, MY NAME IS ANNA POWELL.
I'M THE MANAGER OF GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS IN THE NORTHWEST FOR
DOOR DASH .
WE ARE OPPOSED THE PAYOUT
INTRODUCED.
THE COUNCIL SHOULD PAUSE THE
STUDY AND FULLY UNDERSTAND THE
IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE
IT IS PASSED.
AS A SITTING COUNCIL CONSIDERING
LEGISLATION, IT MAY CUT $32
MILLION IN AGGREGATE EARNERS FOR
DASHERS DUE TO DECLINES IN
VOLUME.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE MYTH
FROM FACT.
YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE PHRASE
SUBMINIMUM WAGE.
THE FACT THAT IT DASHERS IN
SEATTLE EARN ON AVERAGE $28 PER
HOUR WHILE ON DELIVERY.
THE AVERAGE DASHER WORKS LESS
THAN 10 HOURS A WEEK AND DOES
NOT RELY ON THE PLATFORM AS
THEIR ONLY SOURCE OF INCOME.
BUT INSTEAD TO SUPPLEMENT
FULL-TIME WORK OR TO ACHIEVE
FINANCIAL GOALS.
IN FACT, WE KNOW THAT 36% OF
DASHERS IN WASHINGTON HAVE
DASHED TO AVOID NEEDING TO APPLY
FOR GOVERNMENT BENEFITS AND 68%
OF DASHERS HAVE DASHED TO MAKE
UP FOR LOST INCOME OR REDUCED
HOURS OF WORK.
FINALLY, AS YOU MAY HEAR IN THE
PUBLIC HEARING, THE PAYOUTS ARE
DESIGNED WITH INDUSTRY INPUT.
THE FACT IS WHILE WE APPRECIATE
THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH
STAKE HOLDERS, WE FEEL THAT OUR
INPUT HAS NOT PROPERLY BEEN
CONSIDERED OR INCLUDED IN THE
LEGISLATION.
WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE PAY UP
PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS SHELBY
HANSON.
SHELBY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TOBY
CRETTEN.
SHELBY?
>> I'M SHELBY, A GIG WORKER AND
A MEMBER OF THE PS CAMPAIGN.
ROVER HAS ALSO ENCOURAGED THEIR
WORKERS TO MAINTAIN A LOW PAY
THRESHOLD IN ORDER TO UNDERCUT
OTHER ROVER WORKERS.
THE BASE PAY IS NOT TO SUSTAIN A
LIVABLE WAGE LET ALONE TO LIVE
WITHOUT SOME SORT OF DEBT.
ROVER TAKES 20% OF EVERY JOB I
DO.
ROVER MEETS OVER $1.5 MILLION AT
ANY GIVEN TIME.
THIS ISN'T A WAY TO LIVE.
FORCING PEOPLE TO ACCEPT LOW
WAGES AND FORCES THEM INTO
POVERTY.
POVERTY AFFECTS US ALL.
ROVER IS IN OUR OWN BACKYARD.
AS A SEATTLE COMPANY, YOU WOULD
HAVE THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE
TREATED US BETTER.
WE NEED THE CITY OF SEATTLE
COUNCIL TO PASS THE PAY UP
CAMPAIGN NOW TO HELP US.
THANK YOU, VERY MUCH FOR
LISTENING TO ME SPEAK.
>> THANK YOU, SHELBY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TOBY CRETTEN
FOLLOWED BY TIFFANY ALBEES.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON
COUNCILMEMBERS.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SEATTLE
RESTAURANTS UNINITED WHICH
REPRESENTS OVER 240 SMALL AND
INDEPENDENT RESTAURANTS IN
SEATTLE.
WE ARE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF
PAYOUT.
WE URGE YOU TO ADVANCE
LEGISLATION.
OUR MEMBERS ARE BUSINESS OWNERS
WHO WANT TO SEE OUR ECONOMY
REFLECT THE COMMUNITY
HOSPITALITY.
WE BELIEVE WHEN THE MOST
MARGINALIZED IN THE COMMUNITY IS
CARED FOR, IT'S GOOD FOR THE
BUSINESS, THE CUSTOMERS, AND THE
CITY.
OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, I THINK
EVERYONE IS AWARE, DELIVERY APPS
HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY LARGE
PART OF THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS.
MORE AND MORE OF OUR MEMBERS
DEPEND ON DELIVERIES TO KEEP US
MOVING DURING TOUGH TIMES AND
SERVE CUSTOMERS WHERE THEY ARE.
THE APPS PRESENT THEIR OWN
CHALLENGES WITH RESTAURANTS
CHARGING LARGE COMMISSIONS AND
SOMETIMES LIFTING RESTAURANTS
WITHOUT PERMISSION.
THE PERMISSION KAP WAS REMOVED
AND REQUIRED TO GET PERMISSION.
THAT WAS GREAT TO REBOUND THE
POWER DIFFERENTIAL.
THE GIG WORKERS NEED SUPPORT
TOO.
WE BELIEVE THE WORKER SHOULD BE
PAID ENOUGH FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
IT IS GOOD ECONOMICS.
WE CAN'T RECOVER FROM COVID
WITHOUT THRIVING RESTAURANTS IN
OUR CITY.
THAT MEANS MAKING SURE EVERYONE
WORKING IN OUR INDUSTRY IS PAID
ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES,
WHETHER THEY ARE BRINGING DINNER
TO YOUR TABLE OR FRONT DOOR.
WE HOPE THIS POLICY IS A
PRIORITY FOR ACTION.
NOW IS THE TIME.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER, TIFFANY
ALBEADS IS NOT SHOWING AS
PRESENT.
WE WILL COME BACK AS THAT
CHANGES.
WE WILL GO TO CARMEN FIGGERA,
FOLLOWED BY JUSTIN HIGHER.
CARMEN?
>> HELLO, I'M CARMEN FIGGERO
WITH THE PAY UP CAMPAIGN.
THE INDUSTRY EXECUTIVES HAVE
PAID MILLIONS IN DOLLARS OFF OF
MY LABOR AND HAVE NO INTENTIONS
IN INVESTING ME OR ANY OF THEIR
WORKERS.
THE LOBBYIST ON THE CALLS WILL
MAKE OUTLANDISH CLAIMS TO
JUSTIFY PAYING WORKERS SOME
MINIMUM WAGES.
THEY WILL DERAIL EQUITY
CONVERSATIONS WITH RIDILOUS
DEBATES AND DEMANDS TO DELAY
EQUITY WITH USELESS STUDIES.
THE TALKING POINTS ARE CREATED
BY APP LAWYERS, DESIGNED TO PIT
SMALL BUSINESSES AGAINST GIG
WORKERS OF COLOR.
EXPANDING PAY MODELS FOR GIG
WORKERS MAKES SOCIAL ECONOMIC
EQUALITY A REALITY AND NOT JUST
A CAMPAIGN SLOGAN.
COMMON SENSE AND NOT THE STUDY
IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO
UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WORKERS GET
PAID MORE, THEY SPEND MORE IN
THE COMMUNITY.
THE COUNCIL'S TIME WOULD BETTER
BE -- BETTER BE STUDYING WHAT
HURTS SMALL BUSINESSES IS APP
EXECUTIVES TRANSFERRING MORE AND
MORE PROFITS TO THEMSELVES,
SIPHONING AWAY CASH FROMTUANTS.
FOR THOSE WHO FIND THEMSELVES AT
THE TOP OF THE FINANCIAL
PYRAMID, IT COSTS NOTHING TO
PROVIDE EQUITY FOR THOSE HOLDING
THEM UP FROM BELOW.
ALL THE PAY OUT POLICY WILL DO
IS ELEVATE THE MARGINALIZED.
I'M TRUSTING LAWMAKERS TO PASS
THIS FOR GIG WORKERS.
WE ARE NOT DISPOSABLE AND SHOULD
NOT BE EXPLOITED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JUSTIN
HIGHER.
JUSTIN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
MANDOLIN NOIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M THE
DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
FOR THE PLATFORM SHIFT.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME WITH
WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO
RESPECTFULLY OFFER CONCERNS.
THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU CREATES
THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL
BARRIERS TO ENTRY FOR THESE
EARNERS AND THEY DRIVE DOWN THE
FLEXIBLE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE
TO THEM.
OUR EFFORT BASED APPROACH ALLOWS
FOR SHOPPERS TO WORK AS LITTLE
AND AS MUCH AS THEY WANT IN A
WAY THAT WORKS FOR THEIR NEEDS.
75% OF OUR SHOPPERS CHOOSE TO
WORK LESS THAN 10 HOURS A WEEK.
LAST YEAR, SHIFT SHOPPERS MADE
ON AVERAGE BETWEEN 25 TO 35 AN
HOUR WHEN FACTORING OFFER PAY,
BONUSES AND TIPS.
DELIVERY APP BASED WORK INVOLVES
MANY NUANCES FACTORS TO ENSURE
THE SYSTEM WORKS FOR OUR
CUSTOMERS AND SHOPPERS.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO ATTEMPTS TO
STUDY INECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS
MEASURE WHICH RISKS ECONOMIC
UNCERTAINTY AND RISKS THE
FLEXIBLE WORK OPPORTUNITY
SHOPPERS IN SEATTLE.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME WITH
THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS
CONCERNS WITH THE ORDINANCE.
PLEASE REACH OUT WITH ANY
CONCERN YOU HAVE.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER MANDOLIN NOIR
IS SHOWING NOT PRESENT.
WE WILL COME BACK IF THAT
CHANGES.
WE MOVE TO BRYAN RODRIGUEZ
FOLLOWED BY JOEL SHAPIRO.
>> HI, MY MAIN IS BRIAN
RODRIGUEZ.
I'M A DASHER BASED IN SEATTLE.
I'M WORKING TO SAVE ENOUGH TO GO
BACK TO SCHOOL WITHOUT HAVING TO
DEPEND ON MY PARENTS AND FAMILY.
WE ARE ALL GOING THROUGH A HARD
TIME WITH GAS PRICES AND
INFLATION.
DASH HAS MADE IT POSSIBLE TO
REMAIN FINANCIALLY FREE AND MAKE
IT TO CLASS ON TIME.
IT HAS MADE TIME EASIER AND I
WANT IT TO STAY THAT WAY.
I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE
I WORRY THAT THE CURRENT
PROPOSAL IS PROBLEMATIC.
IF WE ARE TRYING TO HELP
DASHERS, I WANT TO KNOW THAT OUR
LEGISLATURES HAVE DONE
EVERYTHING NECESSARY TO MAKE
SURE IT HELPS US AND NOT HURTS
US.
I ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE
MORE TIME TO STUDY PAYOUT TO
UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF
THE PROPOSAL BEFORE PASSING IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JOEL
SHAPIRO, FOLLOWED BY ALISON
FORD.
JOEL?
>> HI, MY NAME IS JOEL SHAPIRO.
I'M ONE OF THE COFOUNDERS OF
DONEFLY AND ALSO THE LABOR
STANDARDS IN SEATTLE.
IT IS NO SECRET THAT THE GIG
ECONOMY IS BROKEN.
LOW PAY, LOW FLEXIBILITY AND NO
OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE
CONTROL OF THE WORK.
WE NEED NEW BUSINESS MODELS TO
FIX IT AND NEW POLICIES TO
ENSURE PROTECTIONS.
MY COFOUNDERS STARTED DONEPLY
AND IT IS WHY I SUPPORT THE PAY
OUT.
TECHNOLOGY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO
DELIVER FLEXIBILITY ALONG WITH
MEANINGFUL TRANSPARENCY AND FAIR
PAY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WORKERS
EXPERIENCE ON APPS LIKE
INSTACART AND DOOR DASH.
TECHNOLOGY AND THE GIG ECONOMY
IS BEING USED FOR THE OPPOSITE.
INSTEAD OF TRANSPARENT AND FAIR
PAY, PAY RATES ARE DETERMINED BY
CONSTANTLY CHANGING ALGORITHMS
DESIGNED WITH WHAT THE COMPANY
CAN GET AWAY WITH.
INSTEAD OF DECIDING WHAT JOBS
ARE WORTH TAKING, WORKERS ARE
PITTED TO IMMEDIATELY ACCEPT OR
LOSE OFFERS.
WORKERS COVER THEIR OWN EXPENSES
AND HOPING FOR TIPS TO MAKE ANY
MONEY.
I HAVE HEARD FROM WORKERS FOR
YEARS AS WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING
IN SEATTLE.
WE ARE CREATING A TRUE MODEL FOR
WORKERS.
OUR TEAM IS DEDICATED TO MAKING
THE OWNERSHIP MODEL SUCCEED BUT
IT IS NOT ENOUGH.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OTHER
COMPANIES IN THE MARKET.
IF THEY ARE NOT GUIDED BY THE
MISSION TO PROVIDE WORKERS WITH
PROPER PAY AND TOOLS OF
TRANSPARENCY, WORKERS WILL PAY
THE PRICE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER
THE PAST FEW YEARS.
THE GIG ECONOMY HAS THE ABILITY
TO PROVIDE ACCESS THAT THEY NEED
BUT IT HAS A TON OF DOWN SIDES,
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS OUT OF
BOUNDS LIKE IT IS NOW.
BUSINESSES LIKE DUMPLING ARE
HELPING TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL
OPPORTUNITIES TO WORKERS BUT WE
NEED POLICIES LIKE PAY OUT TO
MOVE FORWARD WHEN COMPANIES FAIL
TO STEP UP.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ALISON FORD,
FOLLOWED BY CIDEIGN BANE.
ALISON?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS ALISON FORD AND I'M
THE POLICY MANAGER FOR UBER IN
THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST.
AS WE HAVE TESTIFIED IN THE
PAST, UBER IS SUPPORTIVE OF AN
EARNING STANDARD AND WELCOMES
THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH
THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALL STAKE
HOLDERS TO DEVELOP A LEGISLATIVE
SOLUTION.
HOWEVER, THIS CURRENT BILL NEEDS
SIGNIFICANT AMENDMENTS TO
ADDRESS WHAT WILL CERTAINLY BE
WIDESPREAD UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES IMPACTING SMALL
BUSINESSES AND THE WORK
OPPORTUNITIES OF PLATFORM
DRIVERS.
AMONG OUR MANY CONCERNS ARE THE
OVERALL HIGH COSTS OF THE
EARNING STANDARD FORMULA AND
LACK OF RESEARCH TO TRULY
MEASURE WHAT IMPACT THIS WILL
HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY AND THE
ECONOMY.
THIS BILL IS ALSO LACKING BASIC
GUARD RAILS TO PROTECT AGAINST
POTENTIAL FRAUD, THE WELL KNOWN
PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY.
WE IMPLORE THIS COMMITTEE TO
TAKE THE TIME TO FULLY CONSIDER
THE AMENDMENTS AND THE POLICY
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BEFORE
MOVING FORWARD WITH PASSING THIS
BILL, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CIDEIGN
BANE.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YEAH, WE GOT YOU.
NOW YOU ARE ON MUTE AGAIN.
STAR 6 AGAIN, PLEASE?
WE SEE YOU.
I JUST -- I THINK I NEED YOU TO
HIT STAR 6 AGAIN.
THERE YOU GO, PERFECT.
>> OKAY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
>> YES, WE CAN, THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT.
I'M A MEMBER OF.
I HAD AN EXPERIENCE WITH THE GIG
INDUSTRY LIKE AMAZON, UBER,
LYFT, AS WELL AS INSTACART.
SO I'M JUST HERE TODAY TO
TESTIFY THAT IN THIS COUNTRY,
THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICH AND THE
POOR IS GETTING WIDER AND WIDER
AND THE MIDDLE CLASS IS
DIMINISHING.
THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE LABOR
FORCE WITH NO REGULATIONS
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO
LABOR JOBS, THE ONES GOVERNED BY
AN EMPLOYER AS WELL AS THE BIG
COMPANIES WITH INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS.
THE CITY AS WELL AS OTHER
GOVERNMENTS AND ORGANIZATIONS
SHOULD HAVE A STRONG POLICY
REGARDING THIS KIND OF RULE.
THE BIG OR GIG COMPANIES THEY
JUST MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
WHILE EACH INDIVIDUAL
CONTRACTORS MAKE LESS THAN
MINIMUM WAGE.
IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THE
LIVING STANDARD OF THE DAY TO
DAY, WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW,
PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE
BECAUSE MINIMUM WAGE DOESN'T
MAKE SENSE.
PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING.
SO IN ORDER TO MAKE A LIVING
INCOME, GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO HAVE
AS WELL AS INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS AND GIG WORKERS HAVE
TO HAVE ACCESS AND ALSO THE
GOVERNMENT HAS TO PUT A CAP ON
THE MARGINS OF THESE COMPANIES.
BECAUSE THEY NEED TO MAKE A
LIVING AND ALSO TO HAVE A STABLE
ECONOMY FOR THE COUNTRY.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER IS MA HERNANDEZ.
FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE THOMAS .
.
>> HELLO, MY NAME IS MARIA
HERNANDEZ.
THE PEOPLE WORKING FOR BUSINESS,
WE ARE THE ONES DOING.
WE ARE THE ONES SHOPPING, TAKING
FOOD FOR CUSTOMERS, DRIVING
AROUND TWO OR THREE TIMES
BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND PARKING
LOTS.
THAT TIME AND GAS, THEY ARE NOT
PAYING FOR THAT.
IT HAS TO COME OUT OF OUR
POCKET.
WE ARE NOT EARNING WHAT THEY
CLAIM WE ARE EARNING.
WE NEED THIS POLICY NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHELLE
THOMAS, FOLLOWED BY WAY LIN.
MICHELLE?
>> I'M WITH THE WASHINGTON LOW
INCOME HOUSING ALLIANCE TO
SUPPORT PAY UP TO ELIMINATE
SUBMINIMUM PAY FOR GIG WORKERS
IN SEATTLE AND THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LOADERSHIP IN THE POLICY.
THERE IS A LINK BETWEEN WAGES
AND OUR STATE AND CITY'S
AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.
PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD THE SKY
HIGH RENT IN SEATTLE IN THE
GREATER REGION.
EVICTION FOR NONPAYMENT OF RENT
IS THE TOP REASON PEOPLE LOSE
THEIR HOMES AND IS THE LEADING
CAUSE OF HOMELESSNESS.
WE ARE WORKING AT THE STATE AND
REGIONAL LEVEL TO HELP THE
CRISIS BUT IT WILL NOT BE SOLVED
IF WORKERS MAKE TOO LITTLE TO
PAY THEIR RENT AND MEET BASIC
NEEDS.
I KNOW YOU FEEL URGENCY TO END
THE HOMELESS CRISIS AND THIS IS
WHY WE URGE YOU TO SUPPORT PAY
UP.
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT A
WORKER FEARING THE END OF THE
EVICTION MORATORIUM.
THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE
MONEY TO STAY HOUSED.
THEY ARE A GIG WORKER.
THEIR STORY IS NOT UNIQUE.
GIG WORKERS WERE FACING THE
IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION OF
UNCERTAIN INCOME AND PAY THAT IS
TOO LOW TO MEET THE HOUSING
COSTS.
EVERYONE NEEDS AND DESERVES A
SAFE, HEALTHY AND AFFORDABLE
HOME.
EVERY WORKER NEEDS AND DESERVES
THE SECURITY OF A MINIMUM WAGE
FOR THE WORK.
I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT PAY UP AND
NOT HAVE LOOP HOLES TO EVADE
PROTECTION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THE
POLICY.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS WAY
LINFOLLOWED BY MIKE SUTELLO.
>> GREETINGS.
I WORK FOR GIG WORKER SINCE
2020.
I REALLY NEED TO -- AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, IT HAS
BEEN CONTINUALLY CHANGING THE
MESSAGE WITHOUT REASON AND HAD A
HUGE IMPACT ON DRIVERS INCOME.
THEY TOOK AWAY GUARANTEED PAY
AND CUT OUR EARNINGS
TREMENDOUSLY WITHOUT A MINIMUM
PAY FOR THE DRIVERS.
ALSO WITH THE NEW SYSTEM THEY
ARE USING RIGHT NOW, ONLY
SENDING OUT ONE BAG AT A TIME.
SO MOST THE DRIVER HAS INCREASED
THEIR MILES AND GAS COSTS ON THE
CARS BUT NOT EARNED.
THEY HAVE INCREASED THE FEE FOR
CUSTOMER.
BUT DRIVERS ARE STILL EARNING
LESS AND LESS ON THE ORDERS
BECAUSE WE MOSTLY RUN OUT WITH
ONE BAG AND ONE ROUTE TRIP.
WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH THE
CART, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE
WAREHOUSE AND WAIT FOR OUR TURN.
THERE IS A LINE OF DRIVERS
WAITING.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES MORE THAN 90
MINUTES TO WAIT FOR ONE ORDER.
IN THOSE TIME, WE ARE NOT
COVERED BUT AT OUR OWN RISK.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE
DAY THAT CAN AFFECT THE TIME.
EACH SINGLE TRIP, ALL ROUND
TRIPS, REALLY HELP THE DRIVERS.
DRIVERS ARE HARD-WORKING PEOPLE.
WE RISK OUR SAFETY.
MOST OF US ARE DOING DOUBLE
OVERTIME DURING THE PANDEMIC.
I HAVE NOT RECEIVED PROPERLY
BECAUSE THE BIG CORPORATIONS
MANIPULATE DRIVERS SO EASY AND
CONTROL OUR INCOME TO MAKE THEIR
BUSINESS GOING WELL.
ALL WE WANT IS FAIR PAY TO MAKE
SURE WE CAN SURVIVE IN THE CITY
TO LIVE WITH INFLATION AND OTHER
IMPACTS TO US, TO HAVE A FOR OUR
FAMILY AND SEATTLE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE
SUTELLO.
MIKE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ASELL
BALER.
MIKE, HIT STAR 6?
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.
WE NEED YOU TO HIT STAR 6.
WE ALMOST HAD YOU.
TRY AGAIN.
>> HERE WE GO, I APOLOGIZE I'M
CHAIRMAN OF THE CHAMBERS OF
WASHINGTON.
ON BEHALF OF THE CHAMBERS, WE
GIVE UNIFIED VOICE TO MANY
COMMUNITIES IN THE REGION.
WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT ARE
RELATED TO THE PAY UP PROPOSAL.
JUST A COUPLE OF THEM ARE
CONCERNED ON FLEXIBILITY.
A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE TWO
JOBS.
THEY DO DRIVING AFTER RUNNING
THEIR BUSINESSES.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN
ORDER TO PICK UP THE KIDS AND DO
ALL OF THE THINGS ASSOCIATED
WITH RUNNING A FAMILY A MINIMUM
PAY INCREASE AS WRITTEN WOULD
HURT SMALL BUSINESSES.
THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
IT WOULD HURT SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T NEED
THAT.
THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF SOMETHING
LIKE THIS AT A TIME WHEN WE ARE
DEALING WITH THE PANDEMIC
ENDING.
WE HAVE SAFETY ISSUES TO WHERE
OUR CUSTOMERS ARE NOT -- IT IS
ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND
PARKING SPOTS AS THE ONE PERSON
SAID EARLIER.
THEY ARE ALSO AFRAID OF GETTING
BURGLARIZED.
SEATTLE IS NUMBER ONE IN THE
COUNTRY FOR BEING BURGLARIZED.
AND ALSO $25 FOR PARKING.
THIS IS VERY UNTIMELY FOR SMALL
BUSINESS.
WE JUST DON'T NEED THIS RIGHT
NOW.
WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE COUNCIL
ON COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT
IS MORE PLAUSIBLE.
BUT WE WERE NEVER ASKED WHAT OUR
2600 MEMBERS REPRESENTED.
SO WE AT THIS POINT STAND
OPPOSED TO THIS TYPE OF PROPOSAL
AND WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE
COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE, THANK
YOU.
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHELLE
BALLSER FOLLOWED BY JACQUELINE
MORRIS.
MICHELLE, CAN YOU HIT STAR 6,
MROEZ?
>> HELLO?
>> PERFECT.
SO I'M MICHELLE AND I'M
FULL-TIME WITH INSTACART.
IT IS MY ONLY GIG.
I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO EVERYONE
ON THE COUNCIL FOR KIND OF
SPENDING THE LAST YEAR WITH ME
AND MY CONCERNS.
AND SUPPORTING US .
GIG COMPANIES HAVE A LONG
HISTORY OF EXPLOITING THEIR
WORKERS.
THEY USE THE INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTOR LABOR TO AVOID PAYING
TAXES, BENEFITS, WAGES, WHILE WE
THE DRIVERS ARE THE FACE OF THE
COMPANY WHO IMPACT THEIR REVENUE
AND CUSTOMER SATISFACTION.
WE CARRY THE BURDEN OF EXPENSES
AND WE DON'T HAVE A ROLE IN OUR
WORK.
THEY SAY FLEXIBLE BUT WE DON'T
GET TO DETERMINE WHAT WORK WE
RECEIVE.
WE ARE PITTED AGAINST EACH
OTHER.
AND THE ALGORITHMS DETERMINE
WHERE WE SHOP, WHEN WE SHOP, HOW
WE SHOP.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY
CONTROL.
I KNOW WHY RESPECTIVE CONCERNS
ARE WITH THE IMPACT OF WHAT THIS
COULD BE.
WE AND YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE
FULL IMPACT ON EVERYONE AND NOT
JUST THE SMALL BUSINESS SECTOR.
AN INVESTMENT IN WORKERS MEANS
AN INVESTMENT IN THE LOCAL
INFRASTRUCTURE, BUSINESSES,
FAMILIES.
NONE OF THESE COMPANIES HAVE
INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OR THE
PEOPLE IN IT.
THESE APPS ARE THIRD PARTY.
THEY ARE MIDDLE MAN.
THEY ARE TARGETING THE
BUSINESSES THEY QUOTE SUPPORT
AND IT IMPACTS THE PROFITSES.
IT WILL NOT HARM CUSTOMERS OR
BUSINESSES.
THEY WILL BOTH CONTINUE.
LOCAL BUSINESSES WILL GO ON.
WORKERS WILL CONTINUE TO WORK.
IT WILL JUST BE A DIFFERENT
UMBRELLA.
AND ALSO, THE ALTERNATE PAY
METHOD THAT THEY ARE COMING UP
WITH IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
THERE HAS BEEN ISSUES WITH
TRANSPARENCY AND CHANGES WERE
MADE.
SLOWLY, I WATCHED IN THE LAST
YEAR OR TWO THE TRANSPARENCIES
GO AWAY.
THIS ALLOWS THE WORKERS TO TRACK
THEIR EARNINGS AND KNOW THAT
THEY ARE GETTING PAID HONESTLY.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
>> THANK YOU, OUR NEXT SPEAKER
IS JACQUELINE MORRIS, FOLLOWED
BY JACK SORENSEN.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEMBER
AND COMMITTEE.
I'M THE ENGAGEMENT CORRECTOR FOR
DRIVE FORWARD.
I HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE STAKE
HOLDER MEETINGS FROM THE
BEGINNING.
I THANK COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD
AND THE OFFICE FOR MAKING US A
PART OF THIS.
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ALL OF THE
GIG WORKERS WHO ARE LISTENING,
OUR MEMBERS I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING
TO WHO IS BEING PITTED AGAINST
DRIVE FORWARD AND THE COMPANY
AND PAY UP, BEING PITTED AGAINST
EACH OTHER.
I'M HERE TO SAY WE ARE PRETTY
MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE ALL AGREE, AND EVERY STAKE
HOLDER THAT HAS BEEN A PART OF
THE MEETING AGREES THAT A
STANDARD NEEDS TO BE CREATED.
WE ARE HOPEFUL FOR A SOLUTION.
BUT THAT IS WHY WE NEED A STUDY
I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF EMOTION
TIED TO THE ISSUE.
I FEEL IT PERSONALLY AND I HEAR
IT ON A DAILY BASIS FOR MY
MEMBERS.
BUT THE FACT IS, THE LAWS ARE
VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS.
THEY SHOULD BE CREATED WITH
EMOTION BUT CREATED AND
IMPLEMENTED WITH DATA.
TOMAKE SURE WE ARE NOT
UNINTENTIONALLY CREATING A WORSE
SCENARIO OR THE GIG WORKERS.
EVERY STAKE HOLDER AGREES THAT
DELIVERY WORKERS WHO NEED
ATTENTION AND IT IS ALSO WHY WE
CALL FOR DELIVERY WORKERS TO BE
FOCUSED ON IN THIS LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO OUR CONTINUED
CONVERSATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT COUNCIL
MEMBER NELSON HAS JOINED US.
MOVING ONTO THE NEXT SPEAKER, WE
HAVE JACK SORENSEN, FOLLOWED BY
ELAINE ZON.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS JACK SORENSEN ON
BEHALF OF VENTURES FOR PAY UP
LEGISLATION.
THE USUAL CLAIMS ABOUT STRONGER
WAGES HURTING BUSINESS ARE
INACCURATE.
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE
BEEN A BOOM TIME FOR GIG
COMPANIES.
THEY ARE RAKING IN RECORD
PROFITS WHILE PAYING SUBMINIMUM
WAGES.
WE WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY OTHER
EMPLOYER IN THE CITY TO GET AWAY
WITH THIS.
BUT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS
GIG COMPANIES TO EXPLOIT PEOPLE
IN THE CITY TO MAXIMIZE THE
PROFITS.
NOT ONLY IS THIS MORALLY
REPREHENSIBLE, IT IS TERRIBLE
FOR THE CITY'S ECONOMY AND
TERRIBLE FOR THE VERY SMALL
BUSINESSES LIKE RESTAURANTS THAT
THESE GIG COMPANIES AND
REPRESENTATIVES CLAIM TO
SUPPORT.
FOR EVER DOLLAR THE COMPANIES
TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE THEY WORK
FOR THEM, THAT IS ONE DOLLAR
LESS TO LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND
COFFEE SHOPS, OR CONSIGNMENT
SHOW, TIRE SHOP.
GIG COMPANIES LIKE DOOR DASH,
INSTACART, UBER, AND OTHERS ARE
EFFECTIVELY SIPHONING MONEY OUT
OF SEATTLE'S ECONOMY AND
DELIVERING IT TO THEIR CEO'S AND
SHARE HOLDERS.
IT IS AT THE EXPENSE OF WORKERS
AND FAMILIES AS WELL AS SMALL
BUSINESSES IN THE CITY.
PASSING PAY UP WON'T JUST
BENEFIT WORKERS.
IT WILL BENEFIT SEATTLE'S
ECONOMY AND SMALL BUSINESSES.
AS PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY IN
THEIR POCKETS, THEY SPEND IT AT
LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND THEN THEY HIRE MORE WORKERS
TO MEET THE DEMAND.
IT'S A WIN-WIN.
SEATTLE CAN CHOOSE TO BE A
NATIONAL LEADER BY PASSING PAY
UP POLICIES AND SHOWING THAT THE
RIGHT THING TO DO IS ALSO THE
SMART THING TO DO FOR OUR
ECONOMY.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER IS ELAINE ZON
COUNS.
I'M SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCED
YOUR NAME.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> WE CAN, THANK YOU.
>> I'M THE DIRECTOR OF STATE AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENT PUBLIC POLICY
FOR THE CHAMBER OF PROGRESS,
DEMOCRATIC INDUSTRY, TECHNOLOGY
PROGRESSIVE FUTURE.
WE WORK TO MAKE SURE ALL
AMERICANS BENEFIT FROM
TECHNOLOGICAL LEAPS.
WE ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PAY
UP PROPOSAL.
WE THINK IT IS WELL INTENTIONED
FOR GIG WORKERS TO FIGHT THE
COST OF LIVING BUT IT WILL LEAD
TO HIGHER DELIVERY AND SERVICE
COSTS WHICH MEANS HIGHER COSTS
FOR SEATTLE FAMILIES ANDER FEWER
ORDERS FOR THE GIG WORKERS.
BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL SETS SUCH A
HIGH HOURLY WAGE, SERVICES TO
HELP GROCERY DELIVERY, MEAL
DELIVERY AND DOG WALKING WILL
SEE PRICES INCREASE INORDER TO
AFFORD THE INCREASED RATE.
WE URGE THE COUNCIL TO SET THIS
ASIDE UNTIL A STUDY CAN BE DONE
TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TALISHA
HARRELL, FOLLOWED BY RICH
MORRIS.
>> HI, I'M A SEATTLE GIG WORKER
AND I'M TESTIFYING ON BEHALF AND
IN SUPPORT OF THE PAY UP.
GIG COMPANIES LIKE DOOR DASH AND
INSTACART CLAIM THAT PAYING GIG
WORKERS MORE WILL RESULT IN THE
PRICE OF SERVICES INCREASING FOR
CUSTOMERS.
THESE COMPANIES CLAIM TO BE
ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
IMPACTS THIS WILL HAVE ON
SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES AND LOW INCOME
CUSTOMERS THAT RELY ON THE
SERVICES.
THIS IS A FALSE PREMISE FOR TWO
IMPORTANT REASONS.
ONE IS THAT CUSTOMERS ARE
ESSENTIALLY PAYING GIG WORKER
WAGES.
MANY OF THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE THE
SAME POPULATIONS THAT THESE
COMPANIES CLAIM TO BE SO
CONCERNED FOR .
SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES AND LOW INCOME
CUSTOMERS.
GIG COMPANIES ARE OFTEN PAYING
AS LOW AS $2 A JOB AND ARE
ALLOWING THE CUSTOMERS TO
SUPPLEMENT WORKER PAY WITH THEIR
TIPS.
SO WHEN THESE COMPANIES CLAIM
WORKERS MAKE $27 AN HOUR, WELL
MOST OF THAT IS A RESULT OF
CUSTOMER TIP.
A WORKER SHOULD NOT NEED TO
DEPEND ON TIPS TO EARN A FAIR
WAGE.
WITHOUT CUSTOMER TIPS, PAY FOR
THESE JOBS WOULD CERTAINLY BE
SUBMINIMUM.
MANY GIG WORKERS CAN SHOW YOU
FROM THEIR PAY DOCUMENTS THAT
50% OR MORE OF THEIR PAY IS FROM
TIPS.
THE SECOND FLAW OF THIS PREMISE
IS THAT IT COMPLETELY IGNORES
THE FACTS THAT MANY SENIORS,
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, AND
LOW INCOME FOLKS ARE ALSO GIG
WORKERS.
SO THESE COMPANIES ARE NOT EVEN
RECOGNIZING THAT THE FOLKS FROM
THESE COMMUNITIES ARE MAKING UP
A LARGE PORTION OF THE WORK
FORCE, THE WORK FORCE THAT MAKES
THE SUCCESS OF THE APPS
POSSIBLE.
IF THESE COMPANIES CARE FOR
SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES, LOW INCOME
CUSTOMERS, WOULDN'T THEY WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY MAKE UP A
SIZABLE PORTION OF THEIR
WORKFORCE?
AND WOULDN'T THEY WANT TO
EXPRESS CONCERN FOR THEIR
FINANCIAL WELL BEING BY PAYING
SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES FOR THEIR WORK
FORCE A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAGE?
WE DON'T NEED MORE DATA TO KNOW
THEY NEED TO PAY THEIR FAIR
SHARE.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS RICH MORRIS.
RICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY -- I
WANT TO GO BACK TO, I SEE
TIFFANY ALBEADEROUS IS PRESENT.
WE WILL DO RICH AND THEN GO BACK
TO TIFFANY.
RICH?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL
PEOPLE.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> I'M A DISABLED EMPLOYEE.
I HAD A STROKE 12 YEARS AGO.
CRUCIAL FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO DO
DOOR DASH BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY
JOB I CAN DO.
AND I NEED TO MAKE A FAIR WAGE
WHILE I'M DOING IT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TIFFANY
ALBEADEROUS?
.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TO ME
AFTER TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
OOICHL A WESTERN REGIONAL POLICY
MANAGER FOR INSTACART.
INSTACART CONTINUES TO BE
OPPOSED TO THE PAY UP
LEGISLATION.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED THAT THESE
EXPLOIT ACSAYS FOR SERVICES TO
LOCAL BUSINESSES INCLUDING
GROCERIES AND OTHER RETAILERS.
WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS AROUND
LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IN THE
PUBLIC PROCESS.
25 AMENDMENTS WERE PRESENTED TO
THE COUNCIL BY CENTRAL STAFF AT
THE HEARING LAST WEEK.
BUT THE AMENDMENT INCLUDING
THOSE BY INSTACART.
WE REQUEST THE COUNCIL EXTEND
THE PROCESS TO MAKE THE TIME
NECESSARY TO STUDY THE POTENTIAL
IMPACTS AS WELL AS CONSIDER A
NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS SUCH AS THE
CURRENT MINUTE PER MILE FORMULA
WITH A MINIMUM EARNING STANDARD
OF AT LEAST 120% OF MINIMUM
WAGE.
AND IN SHARING THE MINIMUM FOCUS
ON SHARING ONLY INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS AND NOT W-2
EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ALREADY
COVERED BY CITY LAWS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN
ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JASON
RENNIC, FOLLOWED BY JONATHAN
THOMPSON.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, KEBZ.
MY NAME IS JASON.
I'M AN INSTACART SHOPPER AND
OCCASIONAL DOOR DASHER.
I'M GOING TO SEND YOU A MORE
DETAILED EMAIL THAT I NEED YOU
TO TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT.
I WORKED HARD TO BE A SUCCESSFUL
SHOPPER AND THE PAY IS
FANTASTIC.
I STRUGGLED FOR YEARS TO PAY OFF
DEBT.
SIX MONTHS AFTER BECOMING AN
INSTACART SHOPPER, THEY WERE
PAID OFF.
I MOVED INTO A BEACH FRONT
APARTMENT AND BOUGHT MY DREAM
CAR.
THIS IS A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY
FOR THOSE WITH THE RIGHT SKILL.
BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, THESE APPS
WERE FULLY ACCEPTED AS MERE SIDE
HUSTLES WITH THE POTENTIAL TO
MAKE SHHH EXTRA INCOME IN SPARE
TIME.
ALSO USING MULTIPLE APPS AT ONCE
WAS A STANDARD BACK THEN.
THEN THE PANDEMIC HIT AND
BUSINESSES CLOSED AND PEOPLE
LOST THEIR SOURCE OF INCOME AND
PEOPLE TURNED TO GIG WORKING AS
A WAY TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
THERE IS NO INTERVIEW OR
QUALIFICATIONS.
I KNOW WITH A CAR AND SMART
PHONE HAS ACCESS.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE
WILL SUCCEED.
INSTACART REQUIRES FOCUS, SKILL,
AND SELF MOTIVATION.
YOU CAN'T JUST BE ON SOCIAL
MEDIA.
YOU MUST BE FULLY ENGAGED.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD THE GIG
COMPANIES INSINUATE THEY ARE
OFFERING A FULL-TIME ALTERNATIVE
TO EMPLOYMENT.
IF THE PAN DEMIC NEVER HAPPENED,
WOULD WE BE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION?
I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR OR
EMPLOYER.
I'M A GIG WORKER.
GIG APPS ARE A NEW TECHNOLOGY.
IT IS WRONG TO TRY TO STUFF THEM
INTO OLD MODELS OF EMPLOYMENT.
NEW WAYS OF THINKING NEED TO BE
APPLIED WHEN DISCUSSING
LEGISLATURE.
INSTACART IS A MIDDLEMAN OR
BROKER, CONNECTING BUYS WITH
THOSE WILLING TO SHOP AND
DELIVER.
I CHECKED BY ORDERS AGAINST
ORDERS BY SOMEONE I KNOW.
INSTAR CART CAN'T TAKE MORE THAN
A DOLLAR OR SO.
THE LION SHARE IS ALREADY GOING
TO US.
IT IS DIFFERENT THAN PERSONAL
SHOPPING.
LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY,
PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JONATHAN
THOMPSON.
>> MY NAME IS JONATHAN THOMPSON,
MEMBER OF THE RIDERS TRANSIT
UNION AND A GIG APP CUSTOMER.
I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO PASS THE
PAY UP POLICY.
I'M NOT ABLE TO WORK.
I LIVE ON DISABILITY.
I ALSO GET SUPPORT FROM MY
PARENTS.
I RELY ON INSTACART FOR MY
GROCERIES.
I OFTEN WONDER IF THE WORKERS
ARE PAID ENOUGH.
INSTACART PAYS SO LITTLE UP
FRONT FOR THE SERVICE.
AS A CUSTOMER, I CAN'T TELL HOW
MUCH INSTACART WORKERS PAY.
I ALWAYS TRY TO TIP WELL BUT I
NEVER KNOW IF IT IS ENOUGH.
AS SOMEONE WHO RELIES ON GIG
DELIVERY SERVICES, IT WOULD HELP
MY CONSCIOUS TO KNOW THE DRIVER
IS MAKING A LIVING WAGE WITH
WHAT THEY ARE GETTING FROM THE
COMPANY AND NOT UP TO THE GOOD
WILL OF CUSTOMERS TO MAKE SURE
GIG WORKERS HAVE A DECENT LIVING
WAGE.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT SOME OF
THE GIG WORKERS ARE TOUTING THE
TAKE HOME AVERAGE PAY BECAUSE
THAT DOESN'T COVER PEOPLE ON THE
BOTTOM END OF THE AVERAGE OR ON
THE COSTS AND TAXES THAT ARE
BORN BY THE GIG WORKERS.
CALLS FOR A STUDY ARE A DELAY
TACTIC.
DURING THE $15 AN HOUR WAGE
CAMPAIGN, THE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE CRIED ABOUT HOW WORKER
WAGE INCREASE KILLED BUSINESS.
I THINK WE CAN SEE THIS IS NOT
THE CASE.
PLEASE PASS THE PAY UP POLICY,
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, JONATHAN.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KEVIN BOLT.
KEVIN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ALANDO
SANTANA.
CONSERVEN?
>> MY NAME IS KEVIN BOLT.
I AM ONE OF MANY SEATTLE AREA
GIG WORKERS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED
THE UPS AND DOWNS OF THE GIG
ECONOMY.
I STARTED WITH DELIVERIES WITH
DOOR DASH AND POST MATES.
AND THEN I SWITCHED TO INSTACART
AND HAVE MADE A MUCH MORE
RESPECTABLE INCOME AS A GIG TYPE
OF INCOME TO SUPPLEMENT MY
FULL-TIME JOB.
I RECENTLY CHANGED JOBS AND I
HAVE FOUND A JOB THAT WORKS WELL
WITH MY GIG INCOME BUT I STILL
SEE AND HAVE BEEN WITNESSING THE
FRUSTRATIONS OF MY FELLOW
DELIVERY WORKERS AND OUR
EXASPERATION AND FRUSTRATION
WITH THE WAY THAT INSTACART AND
OTHER DELIVERY APPS ARE
OPERATED, CUSTOMER INTERACTIONS,
ATTEMPTING TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS,
ALIC OF TRANSPARENCY IS A REALLY
BIG ISSUE.
I FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT
ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL TO
CONSIDER PASSING THIS PROPOSAL
BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED
PROTECTIONS.
I'M PROBABLY UNIQUE IN THE FACT
THAT I HAVE NO DISABILITIES, I
WORK FULL-TIME.
I'M FULLY AMBULATORY, I CONSIDER
MYSELF SAGOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT
THAT I HAVE WITNESSED MY FELLOW
WORKERS GET FRUSTRATED WITH
ISSUES WITH TIMING, SPECIFICALLY
LIKE THE APP FREEZING OR IN
LIMITED CASES, HARASSMENT, OR
LACK OF ACCESS TO PUBLIC
RESTROOMS, PANDEMIC RELATED
ISSUES.
I KNOW FOR A FACT DURING THE
PANDEMIC, IT WAS CHALLENGING TO
MAKE A LIVING WAGE FOR DELIVERY
BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER
OF CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH
THE PANDEMIC.
I SAID BUSINESS IS BUSINESS BUT
WE NEED PROTECTIONS.
WE NEED THE GIG COMPANIES TO
WORK WITH US AND BE FAIR AND
TRANSPARENT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ARLANDO
SANTANA.
>> HELLO, MY NAME IS ARLANDO,
SANTANA.
I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CITY
COUNCIL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO
HEAR THIS HUMBLE MAN'S WORDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL IS
AWARE BUT IN FEBRUARY OF 2021,
THE FTC ORDERED AMAZON TO PAY
OUT $61.7 MILLION OF MONEY OF
TIPS THAT WITH HELD FROM THE GIG
WORKERS.
AND I RECEIVED MONEY FROM THIS
SETTLEMENT.
IT WAS VERY ASTONNISHING AND
DISAPPOINTING THAT SOME MONEY
THAT YOU WORK HARD FOR THAT YOU
CONTRACT FOR WOULD WITH HOLD
MONEY AND PAY FROM YOU.
THIS CREATES FOR ME A LACK OF
TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY.
SO WHEN I HEAR REPRESENTATIVES
FROM DOOR DASH SAY THE AVERAGE
WORKER IS MAKING OVER $20.
I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN CLOSE TO
MAKING THAT MUCH.
I DISCOVERED GIG WORK WHEN I WAS
LET GO OF A FULL-TIME JOB.
IT ALLOWED ME TO MAKE SOME MONEY
TO HELP PAY THE BILLS AND NOT
PUT THE BURDEN ON MY WIFE TO
MEET ALL OF OUR FINANCIAL NEEDS.
I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN FROM DOOR
DASH MENTION THE APPS CREATE
FLEXIBILITY WHICH I AGREE WITH.
IT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY TO SPEND
TIME WITH MY FAMILY, GO TO
FUNCTIONS OF MY NIECES AND
NEPHEWS AT A NORMAL 9 TO 5 WOULD
NOT ALLOW.
THEY WANT TO LABEL US AS
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS BUT WE
HAVE NO SAY OR NEGOTIATE OUR
PAY.
WE HAVE TO ACCEPT WHAT THEY
OFFER.
IT CAN GO DOWN FROM ONE DAY TO
THE NEXT OR ONE ORDER TO THE
NEXT.
I'M IN SUPPORT FOR THE PAY UP
CAMPAIGN FOR TRANSPARENCY.
I HEAR THEM SAY THAT THIS IS NOT
MEANT TO BE A FULL-TIME JOB.
IT IS A SUPPLEMENT INCOME,
WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT FOR
EACH INDIVIDUAL, FAIR PAY SHOULD
BE FAIR PAY.
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER IS KIMBERLEY WOLF.
KIMBERLEY?
WHILE SHE IS GETTING OFF OF
MUTE, I WILL JUST SAY THAT WE
HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS WHO
ARE LISTED AS NOT PRESENT RIGHT
NOW.
THAT IS ZOMINA RAMOS AND
ELIZABETH GILMORE.
BUT NEXT, LET'S GO TO KIMBERLEY
WOLF.
KIMBERLEY, CAN YOU HIT STAR 6,
PLEASE?
I SEE THAT YOU ARE WITH US PUT
WE NEED YOU TO HIT STAR 6.
THERE YOU GO.
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT.
MY PHONE CALL DROPPED.
>> GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD, KIMBERLEY.
>> I'M SORRY, YOU CUT OUT AGAIN.
>> PLEASE BEGIN SPEAKING.
>> OKAY.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I'M KIMBERLEY, A GIG WORKER.
I SUPPORT PAY UP LEGISLATION.
I'M ALSO VERY ADAMANT ABOUT
KEEPING MY FLEXIBILITY.
I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT PAY UP NOT
ONLY PROTECTS WHAT FLEXIBILITY I
HAVE BUT INCREASES IT.
I SAT IN STAKE HOLDER MEETINGS
ALL LAST YEAR.
THE GIG COMPANIES WERE
ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE.
THEY HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO
REQUEST CHANGES IN THE POLICY,
STUDY THE SITUATION AND GET
READY FOR THE CHANGES ON THEIR
BACK END.
MANY CHOSE INSTEAD TO WAIT UNTIL
THE LAST MINUTE TO BLAST OUT
MISLEADING PROPAGANDA TO DEFEAT
THIS REASONABLE POLICY.
I HAVE HEARD THE SCARE TACTICS
ABOUT GIG WORKERS LOSING WORK
WHEN IN THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO
WORK OVERTIME ANYMORE JUST TO
PAY THEIR BILLS, LEAVING MORE
JOBS ON THE TABLE FOR OTHER
WORKERS.
I HAVE HEARD THEM THREATEN TO
RAISE PRICES WHEN IN FACT THEY
HAVE MADE HUGE INCREASES OF
PROFIT WHILE LOWERING OUR PAY.
THERE IS PLENTY OF MONEY TO GO
AROUND.
THE PROBLEM IS SIMPLE
DISTRIBUTION.
PAY REASONABLE COMPENSATION
BEFORE RAKING ENRECORD PROFITS.
I HEARD THEM SAY IT WOULDN'T BE
EQUITABLE FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR.
THIS IS LAUGHABLE.
THE WAY TO HELP VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS IS TO PAY THEM
ENOUGH TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR
FAMILIES WITH ENOUGH LEFT OVER
TO PUT MONEY BACK IN THE LOCAL
ECONOMY.
40,000 PEOPLE ABLE TO BUY MORE
WOULD GIVE OUR LOCAL ECONOMY A
BIG BOOST.
NOT LIKE THE CURRENT BOONDOGGLE
WHICH SIPHONS OFF MONEY TO OUT
OF STATE.
THEY ACT AS IF WE ARE GREEDY TO
WANT THE SAME PROTECTIONS THAT
OTHER WORKERS IN THE STATE
ENJOY.
MINIMUM WAGE IS NOT A BIG ASK.
WE KNOW THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
WE HAVE STUDIED IT FOR YEARS.
ASKING FOR MORE STUDIES IS A
STALL TACTIC.
DON'T LET THEM PULL THE WOOL
OVER YOUR EYES.
PASS PAY UP.
>> THANK YOU, KIMBERLEY.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SALAH MENA
AND ELIZABETH, BOTH LISTED AS
NOT PRESENT.
SO WE WILL GO TO SAGE WILSON
FOLLOWED BY MELISSA BEES WS.
>> HI, SAGE WILSON WITH WORKING
WASHINGTON HERE IN SUPPORT OF
THE PAY UP POLICY.
I WANT TO JUST SPEAK TO THE
CITATION ABOUT THE IDEA THAT
WORKERS ARE SOMEHOW MAKING $28
AN HOUR.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.
IT WOULD BE QUITE A SURPRISE TO
THE WORKERS YOU HAVE BEEN
HEARING FROM FOR THE PAST YEAR
PLUS.
THEY ARE NOT MAKING THAT MUCH
MONEY.
FIRST OF ALL, DOOR DASH'S
MINIMUM RATE IS $2 REGARDLESS OF
TIME, MILES, ET CETERA.
SO WHERE DOES THAT $28 NUMBER
COME FROM?
IT IS CITED AS AN AVERAGE.
BUT EVEN SETTING THAT ASIDE, IT
IS IMPORTANT TO SET ASIDE, THAT
NUMBER INCLUDES TIPS AND DOES
NOT ACCOUNT FOR KNEEXPENSES.
SHIFTING THE EXPENSES TO THE
WORKER IS SUCH A BIG PROBLEM OF
HOW THE GIG ECONOMY IS WORKING.
THINK OF PAY ROLL TAXES AND
MILEAGE EXPENSES, YOU ARE
ALREADY TALKING ABOUT, EVEN IF
$28 WAS ACCURATE, WE ARE ALREADY
TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN MINIMUM
WAGE.
WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE BEEN
HEARING FROM WORKERS FOR MORE
THAN A YEAR.
THIS IS WHY DOOR DASH IS NUMBER
12 OF THE LIST OF COMPANIES IN
WASHINGTON STATE WITH THE
LARGEST NUMBER OF WORKERS ON
FOOD STAMPS.
AND DOOR DASH IS NUMBER 18 WITH
THE LARGEST NUMBER OF THOSE ON
MEDICARE.
AND UBER IS SIMILAR RANKING.
OUR SURVEY SHOWS SIMILAR KIND OF
IMPACT OF THINGS LIKE LOW PAY.
64% REPORTED THEY HAVE LESS THAN
$100 IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT AT
SOME POINT IN THE PAST YEAR.
36% REPORTED THEY HAVE BEEN
UNABLE TO AFFORD GROCERIES.
YOU KNOW, FINALLY, JUST THE IDEA
THAT A MINIMUM PAY AFTER EXPEPSS
FOR YOUR TIME IS TOO HIGH IS
ABSURD.
WE KNOW WHEN YOU RAISE PAY, MORE
PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY AND
CUSTOMERS CAN SPEND AT LOCAL
BUSINESSES AND IT IS A WIN-WIN.
>> OUR LAST SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE
LISTED THAT IS SHOWING AS
PRESENT IS MELISSA BEES.
MELISSA?
>> HI, I AM CURRENT LEA GIG
WORKER.
I'M A FULL-TIME DRIVER FOR UBER
AND LYFT.
I HAVE DONE THIS FOR THE LAST
SIX YEARS.
AS SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT AGREE,
LIKE, I OPPOSE HAVING MINIMUM
WAGE.
I DON'T WANT A TAX.
AND I SIGNED UP TO BE A DRIVER
SO I CAN WORK FULL-TIME AND BE
MY OWN BOSS.
IS WHY I SIGNED UP.
LAST YEAR, DURING THE PANDEMIC
WAS THE BIGGEST INCOME PROFIT
THAT I HAVE MADE THE WHOLE TIME
I HAVE BEEN WITH UBER.
SO TO SAY WE ARE UNDERPAID, I
DON'T AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
I DO FEEL LIKE WE GET A FAIR
AMOUNT AS OUR PAY.
I DON'T WANT A CAP ON MY PAY.
I PICKED UP A LOT OF REGULARS
FOR YEARS.
I HAVE A VERY GOOD RAPPORT WITH
MY CUSTOMERS.
I FEEL THAT I'M ADEQUATELY PAID.
I DO FEEL THAT WE DO DESERVE TO
HAVE BENEFITS AS FAR AS WORKERS
COMP.
I DON'T AGREE WITH IT BEING
POSTPONED BECAUSE WE ARE RISKING
DRIVING EVERY SINGLE DAY AND
MAKING SURE THAT OUR PASSENGERS
ARE GETTING SAFELY TO THEIR
DESTINATIONS.
EVERY SINGLE DAY WE ARE IN
TRAFFIC.
I FEEL THAT WE DO A GOOD JOB FOR
THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE AND THAT
WE ARE FAIRLY PAID.
SO I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO
CONSIDER NOT PUTTING A CAP ON
OUR PAY.
>> THANK YOU, MELISSA.
I DID HEAR A REFERENCE TO
PASSENGERS .
THIS IS NOT TNC LEGISLATION.
BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU
AFTERWARDS.
THE LAST -- WE HAVE ANOTHER
SPEAKER THAT WAS SHOWING AS NOT
PRESENT THAT IS NOW SHOWING AS
PRESENT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK UP TO
ELIZABETH GILMORE.
ELIZABETH?
>> TRY AGAIN AND HIT STAR SIX,
ELIZABETH.
OH, THERE YOU GO.
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT, GUYS.
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH AND I HAVE
BEEN OFFERING PET SERVICES
THROUGH ROVER FOR TWO YEARS.
I NORMALLY DO IN HOUSESITTING
BECAUSE IT WORKS BEST WITH MY
SCHEDULE.
I WORK A FULL-TIME JOB ON THE
SIDE.
I LOVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT
ROVER HAS.
IT ALLOWS ME TO CHOOSE
CUSTOMERS I HAVE HAD BEFORE AND
CHOOSE MY OWN RATES. IT HELPS
ME WITH THE A SUPPLEMENTAL
INCOME BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT
SEATTLE IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
I AM SHARING MY CONCERNS TODAY
BECAUSE IT WOULD IMPACT ME.
I SET MY RATE TO REFLECT THE
FULL RANGE THAT A PET REQUIRES.
OBVIOUSLY EVERY PET IS
DIFFERENT.
SOMETIMES I HAVE VERY HIGH
ENERGY DOGS, SOMETIMES I HAVE
RELAXED DOGS THAT WANT TO SIT
AND LIE ON THE FLOOR ALL DAY.
THIS FLAT RATE THAT I SET IS A
COMFORTABLE RATE FOR ME AND MY
CLIENTS.
I HAVE CLIENTS IN SEATTLE AND I
FEEL IT IS A FAIR WAY TO
PROTECT MYSELF AND MY CLIENTS
AND I URGE THE COUNCIL TO CHANGE
THE BILL TO PROTECT MY CHOICES.
THAT IS IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING
ME.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WITH THAT, I THINK THAT IS OUR
LAST SPEAKER.
I DO WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON NEXT
STEPS. WE HAD ORIGINALLY
SCHEDULED SOME TIME ON OUR NEXT
COMMITTEE MEETING ON THE 10th
TO BEGIN TO ACTUALLY HEAR FROM
COUNCILMEMBERS AND A CENTRAL
STAFF ON THE AMENDMENTS THAT
THEY WERE SEEKING TO PUT
FORWARD.
WE DID GO OVER NOT SO MUCH
AMENDMENTS, BUT CONCEPTS ISSUE
I.D.
IN THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING,
BUT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HEAR
MORE FROM THE PUBLIC AND MORE
IDEAS TO SURFACE AND ALSO TO
GET OUR ANALYTICAL STAFF MORE
TIME TO DRAFT AMENDMENTS, WE
ARE NOT HAVING THIS TOPIC ON
OUR AGENDA ON MAY 10th, BUT WE
ARE GOING TO BE HAVING IT ON
OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING ON
MAY 24th.
IF I AM MISSPEAKING, ALEX,
SPEAK UP.
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> GREAT.
GLAD TO HEAR IT.
AND SO, AGAIN, THIS TOPIC IS
NOT ON THE AGENDA ON MAY 10th.
IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA ON MAY
24th AND AT THAT POINT, WE WILL
BE HEARING FROM COUNCILMEMBERS
ON THE AMENDMENTS THAT THEY ARE
ENTRUSTED IN BRINGING FORWARD
BASED ON BOTH WHAT WE HEARD IN
COMMITTEE AT THE END OF APRIL
AND WHAT WE ARE HEARING TODAY
AND THE OTHER PUBLIC INPUT THAT
WE ARE RECEIVING AS WE GO EVERY
DAY.
AND WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE NO
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MY
COUNCIL COLLEAGUES -- NOT
SEEING ANY RAISED HANDS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY,
FOR BEING WITH US.
IT IS 3:02 P.M.
AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.