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-I have built housing.
I know how to build affordable housing.
I've done it.
-I'm running for Seattle City Council
to fight for a city that works for all of us
and not just the wealthy few.
-I, Tanya Woo...
-Since January,
Tanya Woo has helped fill a vacant City Council seat,
and she's now running to keep the job for another year.
-I think our biggest contrast comes in terms
of our approach to public safety.
-How long have you been in the city?
-Alexis Mercedes Rinck is her formidable challenger,
winning over half the vote in the August primary.
-We've done a lot of hard work to get to this point.
-My name is Tanya.
-How's the bike infrastructure there?
-Will Seattle voters favor incumbent Tanya Woo
or opponent Alexis Mercedes Rinck
in this citywide race?
-We need to ensure that we balance our budget
and pursue progressive revenue
so we can fully fund our city services.
-The candidates debate.
-Taxation should be the last resort,
because affordability is of paramount importance to people.
-The high stakes battle to pick the next representative
for Seattle City Council, Position 8.
Next on "City Inside/Out."
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Welcome to this edition of "City Inside/Out."
I'm your host, Brian Callanan.
In the Seattle City Council's citywide Position 8 race,
political newcomer Alexis Mercedes Rinck took
more than half the votes in a surprising primary win
over her opponent, incumbent Tanya Woo.
But repeating that result for Rinck in the general election
will be a challenge up against Woo's
strong business and community connections.
The stage is set for a battle between Rinck,
a policy analyst with progressive plans
to change Seattle,
and Tanya Woo,
an incumbent who says she wants to refocus the city
on its basic priorities.
-And this is why I'm actually really excited
to run for City Council.
-Challenger Alexis Mercedes Rinck.
-Hi, I'm Tanya.
-And incumbent Tanya Woo want your vote.
-I'm running for Seattle City Council
to fight for a city that works for all of us
and not just the wealthy few.
-I think we're making progress and I feel
like Seattle has a bright future ahead of us.
-Rinck, a first-time candidate
who's a former budget and policy analyst at the UW,
won the primary with a 50.2 percent majority.
She's raised $297,000 as of early September
and is endorsed by several Democratic Party organizations
for the nonpartisan council position.
-I think the work that we've done
to build a strong coalition behind this campaign
speaks to why we won the primary.
-Woo lost her bid for the council's District 2 job last November,
but was appointed to the Position 8 seat in January
after the departure
of Council Member Teresa Mosqueda.
Woo has raised $313,000 as of early September
and earned 38.4 percent of the primary vote.
Woo has the endorsement of all but one
sitting Seattle Council Member.
-I'm really proud of how collaborative the council is
and the work ahead of us and the work that we're doing right now.
-Rinck points to her consensus-building work
for groups like the Sound Cities Association
and is pushing for new revenue.
-I've been really focused in this race on being clear
about Washington's upside-down tax code
and the need for progressive revenue,
especially as we face the potential cuts
to our essential city services.
-Woo touts her small business experience
and says the City shouldn't be asking for new revenue first.
-We can't just keep imposing new taxes.
-Woo says public safety represents
the biggest difference between the candidates,
and she wants the SPD to hire more cops.
Plus --
-Building back up our police department to be able to train
and recruit new officers so that we can get our call times down.
-Rinck says she wants to set realistic goals for
police hiring and hopes to utilize officers
and 911 alternatives to combat crime.
-We want to be building a public safety system
that has a quick response
and the right response to given public safety scenarios.
-It's a new progressive face and primary winner
up against an incumbent on the job
for less than a year in the race for citywide Position 8.
-And I've built a reputation for getting things done.
-We need to get past ideological theories.
We need to do what works.
-And we have both candidates here
for the Council's Position 8 seat with us.
This is to fill the spot until the year 2025,
when there will be another election for a four-year term.
So we have with us Alexis Mercedes Rinck.
Thank you very much for being here.
-Thank you for having me.
-And we also have with us Council Member Tanya Woo,
the incumbent.
Good to see you too.
-Good to see you. Thank you. -Let's jump right into it.
We had a coin toss before the show.
Alexis, you'll be speaking first.
Tell us why you're running.
I'll give you one minute.
-Wonderful.
Well, my name is Alexis Mercedes Rinck.
I am a renter and light rail commuter.
I went from waiting tables next to the Space Needle
to working on policy at the UW Tower.
And now I'm running for Seattle City Council
to fight for a city that works for all of us
and not just the wealthy few.
And in my work across communities,
I've gained a reputation for bringing people together
around solutions and making them happen.
I got my master's degree at the UW.
And since then,
I've worked with over a hundred different organizations
and with 39 cities in King County
on the housing and health of our communities.
And most recently, I was working back at UW in the budget office,
bringing together the university and balancing budget priorities.
And I was brought to this work because of my upbringing.
I'm very proudly raised by my grandparents.
And that's due in part to the fact
that I was born to teenagers
who had been caught in cycles of gang violence,
substance use disorder and homelessness.
But I got the chance to grow into my full potential
because of my grandparents,
because of great teachers,
and because of afternoons of the Boys and Girls Club.
And I stand here today a living testament to
when we invest in young people,
regardless of their beginnings, we can change generations.
And we need to protect those investments for working people
and for folks in need.
And so in the wake of our city's budget crisis,
we need to ensure that we balance our budget
and pursue progressive revenue
so we can fully fund our city services.
I'm ready to step up to the challenge and lead today.
-Okay. All right.
We'll get into some of those points in a little bit.
Council Member Woo, same question to you.
Talk about why you're running,
if you could, in one minute, please.
-Yes. So I grew up here. I grew up in Beacon Hill.
I now live in Rainier Valley. And I'm deeply rooted
in the Chinatown International District.
So I know the difference between all our neighborhoods
from Columbia City to Lake City
and also from like Alki Beach to Matthews Beach.
This is home for me.
I tackled our city's toughest issues head on.
I've helped put together safety teams
to help increase public safety.
I've built housing in the heart of our city.
And I've also mentored young people
and helped small businesses. And I know it's tough right now,
but I think we've made a lot of progress in our city
and we can continue to make progress.
So my top three priorities include,
number one, public safety.
I want to build a city our babies will feel safe in
because when our kids are safe,
our families are safe and our community are safe.
Number two, affordability. I want to be able to build
and retain our generations of people who live
and work here and make room for the next generation.
And number three, we have to address our homelessness crisis,
which includes, you know,
King County Regional Homeless Authority.
How do we make sure that it's reformed
and lasts for future generations
because we need this to happen in our city.
And so I love my city. I've lived here my entire life,
and I know that what matters most is delivering results.
And I intend to do that.
-All right. Thank you very much for that.
We'll pull apart some of those issues as well.
Alexis, maybe I can go to you first,
because you list the need to find more progressive revenue
as a top priority in your campaign.
You mentioned it just a few seconds ago here.
What options do you want the city to consider
that it hasn't looked at already?
-I appreciate that question.
And the budget crisis is so front of mind
for many folks across our communities,
especially since the number-one thing
I'm hearing when I'm talking to voters
and our community members is a real desire to make sure
that we're investing in people and investing in communities.
It's what I'm hearing from families wanting to make
sure our young people grow up healthy and safe.
And it's what I'm hearing from neighbors
who want to see our unhoused neighbors come inside.
But I think it's also important to be clear
that we have a responsibility within government
to make sure that we are using resources effectively
and really looking across the board.
And I bring my experience as someone who's worked in budgets
and has balanced priorities across a large institution
to really reflect and do that careful work
and taking steps to make sure
that if we are talking about a new revenue source,
what is it going to fund?
And I think doing that careful work,
building coalition across all partners,
across and working with business community,
working across communities to get clear
if we're going to implement a new progressive revenue source,
whether it be expanding JumpStart
or implementing something like a local capital gains tax
or real estate transfer tax.
What is it that we're funding and getting clear on that?
And also, what are the results that we're seeking?
-Okay, I'm hearing a few different options there.
Thanks for breaking that down.
Council Member Woo,
you have said that you don't want to look at new taxes first.
You want to pick apart the city's budget,
make some hard decisions this fall.
So what would your plan be
to make up this $260 million deficit?
Are there some program areas
that you think might be part of those hard decisions
in terms of what needs to be cut?
Where are we looking here?
-Yes, I don't believe that the first thing
we should do is look at taxation.
Taxation should be the last resort
because affordability is of paramount importance to people.
I mean, we had the transportation levy.
We had the housing levy.
And now next year, we will have more levies.
And we're looking at SPU rates going up.
We're looking at Seattle City Light rates going up.
But what does that mean to people?
Because we're going to see increases in terms of our taxes.
And so when it comes to city budget,
I approach it as a small business owner.
We can't just always constantly ask for more money.
We have to work within our means,
and we have to look at long-term sustainable solutions
versus short-term fixes.
And so I think it's taking a hard, long look.
The mayor will send down his budget in a couple of weeks.
-On the 24th of September, right.
-Yes. And then it will come before Council,
and it's up to us
as the oversight body to be able to pick that apart
and add things,
take away things,
and very carefully look at how this will affect people.
I mean, we're looking at critical services
that we need to maintain,
but at the same time keep affordability low.
-I want to move on to another piece here,
and Council Member Woo, I'll stay with you.
Your campaign website puts public safety as a top priority,
and fully staffing police and fire departments
is the first part of that platform there.
I just wanted to put out this point
that Seattle is struggling to do this right now.
I know a lot of cities are,
but SPD has some of the highest salaries in the state,
and there's still an issue with this.
I guess I'm trying to figure out what would you propose
to do differently to hire more officers,
and why is this priority first on your list?
-Yes, public safety is of paramount importance
because, as you say, it's the foundation of
how our communities are able to develop.
And my background has been developing volunteer groups.
I have the Community Watch Group.
We started about three or four years ago,
and we're still going strong.
We go out in the evenings.
We build trust between our businesses, our residents.
We go to 12th and Jackson
and try to help connect people to resources.
We do mutual aid, basically.
And so I believe not only do we need to be fully staffed
in terms of our first responders,
our police and our firefighters,
we also have to make sure
that we have alternatives like the care team,
for instance, and also work together with LEAD, REACH,
We Live Our Care.
Groups that are out in community
who had little trust within our many communities,
how do we expand them to the entire city?
So I think it's a yes-and approach.
But in terms of how do we hire? -Right.
-So just recently,
City Council made officer wages competitive.
Prior to that, I believe SPD officers were 15th in the state,
and then now we're top five in terms of competitive wages,
allowing us to hire the best and the brightest,
as well as be able to civillian-ize
many of our functions in the police department.
And so I heard the statistics recently that,
you know, we were getting five applications a day.
Now it's 15. So we're able to hire more.
We're looking at lateral transfers now.
-From other departments, yes.
-Whereas in the past, yes, we weren't as competitive.
But it's not just about pay.
It's about morale as well.
We have a new City Council.
I've only been in office for about seven, eight months.
But I feel like there is a change.
And there's a lot more we need to do in terms of culture
and a lot of things we need to reform,
but at the same time making sure that our officers,
our first responders,
firefighters are feeling supported,
that the city supports them,
and that we recognize them in our communities.
-Thank you. Alexis, I want to talk to you about this.
Your online platform says the city must set realistic goals
to meet law enforcement and first responder staffing needs.
That's different than what Council Member Woo was saying
about hiring more police.
I just want you to explain your position on police hiring
and how your campaign differs overall maybe from hers
when it comes to public safety.
-I think when we're talking also about ensuring
that we're building a public safety system
that has a quick response and the right response,
that does mean that we're going to need to increase
our first responder staffing across the board.
So being able to scale
and get really clear on what is the scope
of our uniformed officers
and what are the activities that we want them to be doing
is really important,
and how do we get our officers responding to
and solving crimes is really what I'm focusing on.
And so ensuring that we're scaling appropriately
and ensuring that also that does involve hiring more.
And so in terms of some of the things
that I've been thinking about in terms of hiring
for first responders,
I think there's a lot we can learn
from industry partners related to hiring.
I think there's a great example with some action
the legislature took in the most recent legislative session
providing a co-responder licensure program
through the UW School of Social Work.
This is an effort to say
and take steps towards starting to grow our own pool locally.
We're not unique in our hiring challenges.
There's hiring challenges for police departments
across the country.
-Right.
-And so one thing that we also know
is that homegrown talent tends to stay.
We see that across a lot of industries.
So making those investments into growing our own pool locally
from local community members who understand
and are connected and able to serve,
while also addressing some of the culture challenges there.
So really addressing and ensuring
that we are bringing in folks into the uniform force
that have the kind of cultural competency
and are able to authentically engage in community.
And I worry that some of the culture challenges
that I think have been well-documented related to SPD
could be scaring away really viable candidates.
And so making sure
that we're implementing accountability measures,
accountability measures that we've been talking about
since 2017 that haven't fully been enacted.
Things that communities are on board about.
And ensuring that by having those in place,
that'll cultivate a better workplace for folks.
And the last thing I'd say
is also just making sure by having these efforts,
we're also getting dollars out the door
and using our resources wisely,
especially in this budget-constrained environment.
-Council Member Woo,
do you feel a difference between your two approaches
when it comes to your opponent here,
when it comes to public safety?
-Well, I think there could be a lot of contrast made
in terms of public safety with our both approaches
So there are things that Council has been looking at.
You know, SODA, SOAP --
-These are the "stay out of drug areas,"
"stay out of areas of prostitution."
-Oh, yes, thank you for that.
I keep forgetting. There's so many acronyms.
-There's a lot of these acronyms, right.
-Yes. And then things like the competitive wages for officers,
the drug ordinance last year,
and looking at different tools like license plate readers,
and also making sure that this is a compassionate response
and really working hard to get these pieces of legislation,
while not perfect, to a good place.
For instance, for SOAP, we're going after pimps and johns
and making sure these young ladies have resources.
-Okay.
-When it comes to SODA,
it's a pretrial conditional release and making sure,
you know, us as community members and officers
know who does what,
that, you know, it's really going after the sellers.
And so I think all these things I am supportive with
and I'm working towards, especially with community,
I don't believe my opponent --
I believe my opponent has come out against many
of those legislation pieces. -Maybe we can talk about this.
-Yes, that's great, -So what do we got?
-Dialogue about this.
I think my approach is much more comprehensive in saying --
and, you know, you're talking also about some of the resources
that are made available.
Those haven't been made available yet.
The majority of the actions that have been taken
have been much more on the punitive side.
So I would say in this,
my approach is much more comprehensive,
acknowledging the full scope of the issue
and making sure that when we're putting forward legislation,
we're thinking about the thoughtful balance
between also accountability and support.
And right now, that hasn't been fully seen.
And so by having that kind of an approach
and working across the board with all of our partners
who are engaged in the work,
working with communities most impacted,
and ensuring that we are putting together a comprehensive slate
that tackles the root of the issue is something
that I'm interested in doing.
And right now, the legislation to date
doesn't fully tackle the root of the issue.
Council Member Cathy Moore
and I are working towards putting money into services
to help people on Aurora Avenue North.
We are also looking at budget money
on how do we help people with addiction treatment.
And so that comes hand-in-hand with our budget ask
that will be sent down in about three weeks.
And so, yes, I agree. We do need a comprehensive plan.
And being out there in community,
chatting with people on 12th and Jackson and Third Peck and Pine
and going to Aurora Avenue North is in the businesses,
talking to young ladies
and going to places like Aurora Commons,
we really do need a comprehensive approach
and looking at it from both angles,
and that's what we're currently doing
and excited to be able to see that roll out
in the next couple of weeks.
-I think we can all agree
that there are challenges in those areas,
and I don't think either of us
are interested in dismissing what is very real
that we're seeing in terms of gun violence,
in terms of property crime,
in terms of large-scale retail theft,
organized retail theft, I should say.
And I think it's really important
that we are clear with the public
about what solutions will work. And by reinstating policy
that we've already tried before locally
that hasn't worked is something that I think is concerning.
We need to be also clear with the public
that we're doing everything that we can
to get to the heart of the issue
and put forward solutions that are data-driven,
that we know work,
and the experts that are working on the ground
with those folks have been advocating for.
-Thank you for that.
I need to move on
because I've got to cover some more ground here if I could.
I want to make sure I talk about homelessness here.
Alexis, you worked in the past for the KCRHA,
the King County Regional Homelessness Authority.
Your opponent has brought this up before,
raising some concerns
that you were part of this budget proposal,
helped write this budget proposal that would have cost
our region more than $12 billion from the KCRHA.
I know Council Member Woo has said our region needs to be
more realistic about our approach to homelessness.
I wanted to make sure you responded to that remark
about the KCRHA,
and also how would you respond to homelessness
if you were elected to the City Council?
-Appreciate that,
and I appreciate the opportunity to clarify as well.
There was much misconception between the drafts of the plans
that came out,
and I think given that the agency was new
when it came out with that plan,
I don't know if community fully knew what they were looking for.
But something that we were trying to do was really name
and do a solid problem statement to say there is a need
for significant investment into housing.
And that's what we tried to capture using
the best information used,
actually the information and modeling
that was done in terms of statewide work,
as it relates to the comprehensive plan.
So trying to really outline,
this is what it would fully cost
to holistically address the issue
stemming from the housing crisis.
And developing housing, as we know, is expensive.
-Yeah.
-However, the five-year plan itself,
in terms of the 77 actions,
if my memory serves me correctly,
are all things that the agency could be doing
in partnership with jurisdictions and providers
and internally that would cost no money,
are things in terms of changing policies, programs,
re-procuring, that would make the system work efficiently,
more effectively, more culturally competently,
and be more accountable.
And so I could stand by
and probably give an entire talk about everything,
all 77 things, and also, you know, voice
that there was a tremendous amount of hard work
working with providers,
working with folks with lived experience
to really formulate that.
-I guess I just wanted to talk about that
and this root question of your response to homelessness
if you're elected.
If we can get to that, that'd be great.
-I don't want to make light of the challenges
facing the agency.
There have been challenges in terms of basic operations.
I'm optimistic, with the new CEO coming on board
who has experience running agencies,
to get that right on track to make sure
that contracts are getting out to providers appropriately
and making sure by having a functional KCRHA,
we have a centralized table
where we have all the best data about, you know,
our current system capacity
and we also are able to speak to the outcomes
of our total public investment into homelessness.
I think that's the table then with all of that information
that we're able to come around and say,
what are we going to do about this
and how are we going to invest to scale the housing solutions
as outlined in the five-year plan?
-Right.
-And there are solutions within the five-year plan
that we did state to say,
if there was new money to become available,
here's where we would invest first
from a most informed place.
-Okay, thank you for that.
Council Member Woo, I want to make sure you jump in here
and respond to what Alexis is saying,
maybe how your approach to homelessness
might differ from hers.
-Oh, yes, I think there's a lot of contrast there too.
So I believe homelessness is a housing issue.
We need to build more housing and that's something I've done.
I know how to build housing.
I've built workforce housing
which only charges people a percentage of their income.
I'm working on legislation
right now to be able to build more affordable housing.
It's also looking at how do we get people inside as somebody
who's on the ground, told in Jackson, in our communities,
in encampments, talking to our in-house neighbors
and trying to figure out
where the broken system has failed them,
and how do we build trust with people?
And that involves finding social workers
who are able to go out there
and find the root cause of every individual.
It's different.
And building that trust to get them to accept services
to come inside is really important.
I think that's something we have to look at,
especially when it comes to all the providers
who are out there and the social workers are out there.
The Louisa Hotel in my building
also has 20 units for the formerly unhoused
and making sure that when we house somebody,
we include the wraparound services to help them succeed.
Many people come into the Louisa who are formerly unhoused,
start a fire in the middle of the living room
because they don't know how to work the heater.
-Right.
-So how do we make sure
that we have support services available
for people to help them throughout their journey
and to that same person?
I think that's something we really need to look at.
Whereas my experience has bumped from the ground level up
and seeing what works and what doesn't work
and being out there and talking to people,
being present when there's an encampment resolution
and seeing the effects on the community
when people are in crisis, I think is very important.
That's my experience going in there.
And so I think there's a whole bunch of levels,
which also includes
how do we help people find entrepreneurship opportunities?
How do we help our youth?
It's a very comprehensive plan in all things
I'm working on currently.
-Thank you.
And you had mentioned some differences between you
and your opponent here
when it comes to your approach to homelessness.
I don't know if you wanted to bring up
encampments and how they're cleared,
because I know you've talked about that as well.
Some thoughts there.
I just want to make sure we're helping people
differentiate between you two. -Oh yes.
I believe in the mayor's encampment resolution system,
which is, you know,
three or four months before an encampment is resolved,
because social workers are being out there.
I would love to see that time expanded to even longer
because I think we need time to build that trust.
But I believe the city's policy on that is sound.
I mean, we don't love sweeps.
They're not ideal.
But I think we really have to sit down and work on this,
and be able to extend that time,
build that trust, get people to come inside.
It's going to be very important.
I think it's inhumane to let somebody die outside.
And so getting people inside is number one importance,
and there's a lot of factors that revolve around that.
I've been in encampments where there have been shootings,
and so it's getting to know the community,
knowing who does what, who needs services,
and who are there to take advantage of people
who are unhoused.
And that's getting out there.
It's going to take all of us, not just city, not just county,
not just KCRA, but us as community members.
And in a couple of weeks, one of my passions
is my community watch group. -Sure.
-And how do we roll that out to the entire city?
How do we community de-escalation teams?
Very similar to block watches,
but outside of the police department,
maybe in another department.
But that's something I'm really interested in seeing
because it's going to take all of us.
I mean, as it relates to sweeps,
one of the models that we know works best
is best exemplified through the state right-of-way initiative,
which is a partnership between WSDOT and PDA,
as well as working with the City and KCRHA.
And this is different
because it does speak to what you're talking about
in terms of an expanded timeline.
It provides more time for folks
who would be long-term caseworkers
to be able to connect with those folks,
develop a by-name list, and effectively resolve.
But a key piece of that is also the fact
that that creates a housing resource
and being able to point somebody to a place to stay,
a single-room setting,
that ideally folks are actually able to more stably recover in
and continue to work with their case manager.
That's something that we know works,
has been wildly successful, and should be expanded upon.
And so my support for that type of model,
which again I believe we saw 74 percent of folks
remain permanently housed through that program,
that's something that we actually see a valid outcome for
and something that we want.
And just to respond to the other piece as well,
you know, I agree too that the critical work
of being able to support somebody in their stabilization
and coming back inside relies on our hard-working case managers,
outreach staff, that are making that contact and engagement.
However, many of those folks do not make a wage
that allows them to live
and remain within the City of Seattle.
So we have a huge workforce challenge also in the system
that makes it challenging
for that important connection work to happen.
I've talked to folks
who have been unhoused who have had 20 different case managers
and they've lost trust in how we can actually get them inside.
-I understand. I know we could talk a lot more about this.
We need to wrap up the show.
Please save it for your closing statement, if you can.
I can give you a minute here, Alexis,
and then I'll give you the last word,
Council Member Woo. Please.
-There are so many issues facing our city.
And now more than ever it feels like people are divided.
There is division across the city.
I believe that our division around public safety
is not making us any safer.
And we also know that there is a tremendous need to invest
in affordable housing and just broad affordability measures.
It's what people are asking for.
People want to see those investments in their city.
And I stand by making sure that we fully fund our city services.
And so I have proven experience
in bringing communities together,
uniting around solutions,
really putting the issue on the table and problem-solving
around it and moving forward,
turning the page and starting new.
And this is the campaign that people are uniting around.
We are uniting frontline workers across the city,
and we're uniting the Democratic Party
and have the support of Planned Parenthood votes,
One America votes, and a number of amazing organizations.
And I'm ready to deliver.
-All right. Thank you very much.
I can give you a minute, Council Member Woo.
-Yes. And so I am in community.
I am on the ground doing all the things
that my opponent is talking about.
And I'm doing that work,
and I would love to be able to continue that work.
I have a lot of pieces of legislation
I'm currently working on that will help support
to be able to build more housing,
save our tree canopy, as well as public safety.
And so based on my experiences living in Seattle,
I've seen a lot of things.
I grew up during gangs,
basically, and had a lot of family members killed
during the gangs era.
I've also, you know,
seen how our communities have changed
and how our communities used to be.
And we have to move forward.
We cannot go back to the policies
from the last four years
that have gotten us into this situation.
And so I'm interested in looking at
how we could tweak things to make it better
for the future of our city
so people feel safe going to the grocery stores,
people feel safe going to schools,
be able to walk their dogs in community,
and also have the opportunity for economic success,
be able to start their businesses,
and not have to worry about whether they can stay open
or closed, but help provide living wage jobs.
And those are all things I'm working on,
all things I'm doing, and very excited about for the city,
because I know what Seattle can be.
And it's a place where we can all come home
and we can make progress for every single neighborhood.
-Thank you very much for that. And we will be right back.
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