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-Hello, I’m your host, Brian Callanan.
Seattle’s newest council member, Tanya Woo,
is bringing a strong sense of cultural awareness to her job.
So how will that shape her role in Citywide Position 8?
Plus, what are her plans as chair
of the wide-ranging Sustainability,
City Light, and Arts and Culture Committee?
I’ll get answers to these questions
and the ones that viewers like you are sending in, too.
Coming up on "City Inside/Out: Council Edition."
-We were catching graffiti taggers
once a week, surprisingly enough,
and we were surprised at who these people are.
-All that and more coming up next
on "City Inside/Out: Council Edition."
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And here we are with Tanya Woo, the city council member
in the Citywide Position 8 seat.
How are you doing right now?
-Good. Happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
-Yeah, and thank you. I know you’ve been through a lot
over the past couple of weeks here,
and I got to say, it certainly seems like
you’re starting off your term with a bang or a boom
or a number of other sounds. I wanted to show our viewers,
this is the scene from inside City Hall
not long before we recorded this show.
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There were lion dancers.
There was plenty of noise in the main lobby of City Hall,
and coming out of all this was a proclamation
you headed up with Council Member Morales
to officially recognize Lunar New Year
as a citywide celebration.
It’s the year of the Dragon,
which is a symbol of good fortune,
justice, prosperity, and strength.
I heard you say that on the dais.
Sounds like it’s going to be a good year.
Linh Thai, who was one of the other candidates
for the Position 8 job before you were selected,
was petitioning for this proclamation.
I wanted to talk about this.
Why is it important to you, important to Seattle,
to have Lunar New Year recognized in this way?
-Yeah. So this proclamation was community-led
and community-written as well, along with Linh Thai
and other community members, and this is important.
Because for many cultures in Asian American,
Native Hawaiian Pacific Islander,
we celebrate Lunar New Year.
It’s one of our biggest celebrations,
festivals of the year.
Everything just kind of concentrates on family,
on building community,
as well as being able to celebrate the arrival of spring.
-Hmm. And I wanted to speak about it
maybe a little more broadly --
just the importance of your Asian American heritage
and what that means to the city Council here.
Seattle, as we know, has a large Asian population,
upwards of 15%, according to the census figures.
And I think a lot of people, especially in the Chinatown ID,
would say representation matters.
What do you think about that?
-Yes, I absolutely agree that representation does matter.
Having a seat at the table,
which is something a lot of communities are fighting for,
and having that perspective of diverse cultures
is really important on the city council.
And I’m very excited that, you know,
the council is very diverse going forward.
-Yeah. And I remember you talking about
this is a situation where you were making this proclamation
about Lunar New Year
at the same time when Black History Month --
there was another proclamation talking about that as well.
Can you talk about that larger
issue of diversity on the council?
Because I think it’s an important part
of who you are and your past.
And I think an important part of this city, too,
to recognize those different pieces?
-Yes. I think it’s amazing that we were celebrating,
you know, Lunar New Year as well as Black History Month
on the same day. And so it’s quite significant
because we stand in solidarity with all of our,
you know, Asian and Black communities,
and showing that on a larger scale
I think is really important.
And the fact that there’s just so much diversity,
so much perspective, and so many community members
on the city council shows a sense of,
I think, working together, collaboration,
communication, outreach and engagement,
especially to many of our communities here,
as well as the role modeling and inspiration.
Like I would never have thought being on this council
was possible without, you know, community leaders
like Cheryl Chow,
who was on the council in the early 1990s,
late 1990s, and seeing her as a Chinese American
on the council inspired me to actually run.
-And I wanted to come full circle on that,
because it was very interesting.
The same week that you were sworn in
as Seattle’s newest council member,
the city unveiled its newest street sign,
Cheryl Chow Boulevard, right outside Franklin High School.
She, of course, was a giant in the Seattle community.
An educator, served on the council,
as you mentioned, from 1990 to '97.
I believe you were on her drill team
when you were younger way back in the day.
Do you see yourself as taking up her mantle,
maybe following her model of leadership?
Or are there others you look up to in that way?
Can you talk about that?
-Oh, yes.
So I think I’m standing on giant shoulders.
There’s no way I could ever take up the mantle.
But I hope to continue that legacy of strong female leaders
in the Asian American community. And, you know, I grew up,
I remember Auntie Ruby Chow as well,
who was on the King County Council
and being inspired by her, Auntie Cheryl,
and of course, Councilor Martha Choe,
Velma Veloria, Dolores Sibonga,
all these really great Asian American leaders,
as well as recent Asian American leaders.
And so hopefully being able to inspire
that next generation of young people
to realize that they can do this.
-Those are some tough ladies you’re talking about there,
in terms of the Seattle political scene.
How would you describe your leadership style, I guess?
Is it something similar to that?
Or how would you describe how you’re going to lead
and maybe how your heritage is going to inform
and direct how you lead, too?
-Yes, I think it’s -- being grounded in community
is going to be very important,
making sure that all of our decisions are community-led.
My experience being on the ground with,
you know, building affordable housing,
as well as my work on the community watch.
We go out -- I still continue to go out every single week,
walking around the neighborhood, going into the encampments,
trying to help our unhoused neighbors
and try to connect people with resources.
I think that’s really important to be on the streets
to see what’s happening.
When we saw fentanyl, it wasn’t a surprise.
We saw that two, three years ago coming into our communities.
And I think, you know, it’s never too late
to come up with a plan. And that’s one of my priorities
is how do we -- it’s killing people.
And, you know, I’ve been on my hands and knees
providing Narcan and CPR to community members.
And this is definitely an issue we have to tackle.
-And this is something you’re still doing out
on community watch.
This is part of your daily routine or weekly routine,
I guess, as a council member. -Yes, yes.
And going and connecting with the business owners,
the small business owners, especially in Chinatown International District,
seeing what’s happening in 12th and Jackson,
talking to our seniors -- people who don’t usually,
you know, express their thoughts,
but trying to help that,
I guess, shape my perspectives and my outlook
and especially my background going forward.
-Yeah. And I thought it was very interesting.
I remember, during the election last fall,
it was an issue where -- I saw it in District 2 --
there -- a lot of people did not vote, unfortunately.
And I think part of your job might be
and I don’t know if I’m pushing this too far,
Council Member Woo, but trying to galvanize
certain areas to be more engaged,
and engaged in a way where they can talk to the city
and get some policy passed, etc...
Do you have a knowledge of that or an awareness of that?
I really thought that was striking,
just the lack of people who showed up to vote,
unfortunately, this past --
-Yes. We had such a historic turnout,
low turnout of voters especially,
and that’s something I’m intimately aware
and have tackled. How do we reach people
who are the furthest away from government?
How do we do that extra outreach so people
who are not coming to us, we’re going to communities,
we’re going to neighborhoods that don’t typically are heard.
And so, you know, a lot of people
are struggling in their day to day.
You know, they’re so busy focused on
how are they going to be able to feed their families
that politics is the furthest away from their minds.
They’re just trying to survive.
And so how do we let people know,
and how do we involve people civically in terms
of this is how you have a voice, this is how you can be heard.
And I think it also goes to the fact that, you know,
there’s a lot of city resources that are available
that people are unaware of. And how do we go out there
and make sure that people are able to have access to this?
-Yeah. As chair of City Light,
I know you’re thinking about that utility bill situation
that the city has where they can help out
people of lower income with that.
I didn’t mean to interrupt,
but many things, it sounds like.
-Yes, that’s absolutely correct.
And you know, for all the people who are fixed incomes
that are struggling to pay their property taxes,
like, there are programs that can help people like that.
-Thank you for pointing that out.
I did want to talk about some exciting news
coming out of the Chinatown ID in the last couple of weeks --
Amazon putting forward $250,000
to revive the Chinatown ID night market.
It’s a long time tradition, as you know.
Had to be canceled last year amid some rising costs,
lack of sponsorship.
You grew up in a family of small businesses in the CID.
I wanted to talk about what this means
to have this market back up and running.
-Oh, my gosh. Yes, having all of our festivals
or celebrations is of paramount importance.
People look forward to that year round.
And so I think I really hurt a lot of people,
I guess emotionally, morally to see that
that night market was canceled, and so very excited
that it will be able to continue going forward in years to come.
And it’s something that the small businesses,
residents, the seniors, children,
everybody looks forward to, and very excited
to hear that it will continue. -Yeah, some good energy
around that this year.
I wanted to talk about -- back to your work on the council here
and maybe a more sobering topic here.
You’ve also worked with Council Member Morales
on a proclamation for a day of remembrance in February,
here, for the expulsion of Chinese people from Seattle.
Can you explain the importance of this proclamation
and maybe some of the history behind it, too?
-Yeah. So this proclamation really affects me personally.
My family’s been here since 1887,
but because of, you know, racist policies like,
expulsion and exclusion. -The Exclusion Act. Yeah.
-Yes. Like, I am the first generation born in Seattle,
which is -- you know, a lot of the females in my family
were not able to immigrate here.
And so I am that product of these racist policies,
and it affects me mostly on the -- almost every single day.
And so some of that history,
you know -- unfortunately, you know,
there’s a lot of racist policies and this --
-Telling Chinatown to move, basically.
-Exactly. -Leave out from where it was.
-Yes. Chinatown moved three times.
Back when the expulsion happened,
a whole group of people forced all the Chinese occupants
in Seattle to leave, basically.
-Put them on a ship to San Francisco, right? Yeah.
-Yes, exactly. And so we want to make sure
that does not happen again, that, you know, we have more
just immigration policies going forward,
that we’re welcoming of immigrants and refugees,
especially going forward, and we’re not repeating history.
And so realizing that that history
is not perhaps one of our proudest moments as a city,
but how do we go forward
to make sure that doesn’t happen again?
-It was the -- You didn’t want it to be forgotten,
it really feels like, with this proclamation.
Is that kind of a piece of this, too, I guess?
-Yes. And it’s making me honor history.
Remember the people who fought against exclusion and expulsion,
who stood in solidarity with our communities.
And, you know, especially seeing some of these policies
going forward and making sure that we fight against them
and make sure that, you know, we’re welcoming of all people
is really important.
-And I really -- I see some present-day
not exactly correlations, but I remember when the pandemic
was in its darkest hour here a couple of years ago.
There was a lot of different anti-Asian hate going on,
unfortunately, in the Chinatown ID because of COVID, etc...
And I think having this present day reminder maybe of the past
and how some of these at least attitudes
can be repeated in the future -- is that a piece of this, too?
I think you want to bring it to the present day
and put it in front of people as well.
-Yes, that’s a huge piece of it. I mean,
systemic racism comes up in different ways.
And, you know, it comes up
when our seniors were afraid to come out after 4:00 p.m.
There’s 2,000 seniors who live in the Chinatown International District.
But we’re still fearful.
And so how do we come up with programs?
We had -- Our community came up with senior escorts,
making sure people felt safe.
And then we also had high impact projects
happening around that neighborhood.
And, you know, with that history of Chinatown
being moved three times,
being forced back every time property became valuable,
how do we preserve our neighborhood?
We were just named, unfortunately,
top 11 most endangered neighborhoods in the U.S.
Not a distinction we want to have.
And so how do we make sure
that we both preserve that neighborhood
so we’re not slowly losing pieces of it?
And that’s really important with, you know,
Sound Transit coming forward.
How do we mindfully allow for more transit opportunities,
but at the same time preserve the neighborhood?
-Yeah, I was glad you touched on that.
You’re going to be in the middle of that conversation.
Now, I know Sound Transit makes the decision,
but is there some way you want to help guide that decision
in terms of where a light rail station goes close to Chinatown,
Chinatown ID? What do you think?
-Yes, I think it’s going to be very important,
making sure that everybody’s heard.
A lot of people along Line 1 -- Beacon Hill, Rainier Beach --
had not been heard or not aware
that different options are available.
And how do we make sure that, you know, there are a lot of,
I think, mitigation that needs to be done
depending on where the station is sited.
There’s pros and cons to both, unfortunately,
but hopefully being able to do that community outreach
to the entire Line 1,
as well as how do we address issues of access,
especially with our seniors and with people
who English is not their first language?
I think it’s going to be very important going forward,
especially helping the small businesses and the community.
-Right, right. You want people to access it,
but you don’t want to knock those businesses off the charts
if you have the construction going on too long.
This is a very delicate situation here.
I wanted to talk about something a little bit further with you.
I mentioned these two proclamations
you’ve worked on with Councilmember Morales,
and I feel like I have to ask the question here.
You two were political opponents just a few months ago.
In the fall, a very strong back and forth
in that debate, as I recall. Now you’re working side by side.
I just wanted to get to this larger question
of what’s it been like trying to come together
as a council after you were a named
as a council member through this appointment process
in late January? -Oh, great.
I’m very honored to be able to serve
on the Seattle City Council
alongside Councilmember Morales.
I believe it’s great that South Seattle,
which is, you know, typically underserved
and underrepresented --
There’s a lot of issues happening there
that is addressed citywide as well.
That’s getting double the coverage,
and we’re able to work side by side
to address all these issues of public safety,
homelessness, and housing especially.
And I think there’s a sense of collaboration on the council.
Most councilmembers are in their offices.
My first week, first two weeks have been amazing
because council members and their staff
have been dropping by my office,
asking how they can help, and just being able to walk over
and ask questions and someone next door has been amazing.
So the sense of collaboration,
the sense of communication has been amazing.
-Yeah. And I think that’s going to need to grow going forward
as these different pieces come out.
And I guess I just wanted to touch on the point
that you have a lot of hard work ahead.
And we’ve been hearing from a lot of viewers about this.
Viewers want to know about it.
Here’s a question that came in from Bryan. It goes like this.
"What is one specific thing you wanna work on
or get passed in the council this year?"
So moving past the proclamations,
let’s say -- maybe towards more ideas
about some policy-based legislation.
Do you have one thing that you might have your mind
on right now when it comes to that?
-Oh, oh, there are a couple of things.
-Okay. Let’s break it down. What have we got?
-Important things going forward.
But I think, you know, speaking generally, public safety
is a huge priority for, I think,
not only just myself but for all council members.
And how do we look at every city department, every city agency,
and how do we tackle this issue from all different perspectives?
And seeing public safety in all our different committees,
and how that affects not only young people or seniors,
but with that mindset going forward in terms of --
you know, the regional homeless authorities contract
is being renewed this year.
We have the police contract as well.
That -- I guess priority is on the back of our minds
for every single piece of legislation,
everything that we see and that we do,
especially I think the focus is on young people.
How do we help young people?
How do we create more jobs, economic opportunity?
How do we, you know, for my committees,
Arts and Culture -- you know, commerce follows culture.
How are we able to revitalize
our neighborhoods, downtown’s core especially?
How do you get more youth involved in the arts?
And every single committee,
I think we all have that mindset.
-Okay. I wanted to ask
a public safety question specifically.
One came in from Kimberly, who wanted us to ask you this...
Kimberly, thank you for the question.
Two persistent public safety hot spots right there.
Some thoughts about what she’s writing?
-Yes. So, my team, we go to 12th and Jackson,
Little Saigon area once a week.
And we’ve gotten to know the people who are there.
And so I think we have to approach this from a humane,
humanistic, compassionate stance.
And, you know, the community -- you know, people who are closest
to the problem, I believe, have the solution,
and the community has come together
and wants street level ambassadors to make
that connection with the people who are at 12th and Jackson
and try to find out the root cause of why they are there.
Every person is different,
and so one person is there is different from the other.
And why are there engaged there
and why they find community there?
And how do we attack it from that level
and try to fulfill those needs and keep people inside,
get people help in terms of, you know, drug addiction
or whatever they need to get them off the streets?
And I think that’s going to take everybody being involved.
But I think it’s going to take
a lot of investments from community
as well as from the city as well as from the county,
making sure we have those people out there.
LEAD, REACH, have done amazing work there,
but I think we need more attention to that area.
What we’re doing at Third Avenue project,
I think is -- looking at that and the results
and learning from those lessons, how do we apply
that to 12th and Jackson? Yeah, bring that model up hill.
-Yes. And then, you know, I think a lot of people
are looking at some of these services and organizations
that are in that area, mainly Navigation Center.
How do we make sure that what’s happening in that area --
There was a shooting there last -- a couple of weeks ago.
I think there’s shooting there, like, every couple of weeks.
How do we address those issues
and making sure people are safe in that area
who are coming to the navigation center for those services?
And how do we -- Are we able to address people
who are looking for housing, who camp outside?
Getting them inside is going to be important.
-And I guess, just looking a little further at that,
you mentioned an ambassador program maybe?
I’m thinking about those downtown ambassadors.
We see them all over the place with their yellow jackets, etc.
Potentially something like that up at 12th and Jackson maybe?
That might help.
-I think community is asking for something very similar,
but the problem is, you know, always funding.
And you know, we’re hearing,
you know, from different organizations
in that area, they’re paying for security --
like, over $1 million a year in security.
So how are we going to be able to navigate around that
and be able to offer, you know --
approach this from a humanistic standpoint?
-Yeah, there’s going to be a lot to tackle there.
I wanted to talk about some other recent news here.
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
sided with City Attorney Ann Davidson recently
and reinstated Seattle’s graffiti ordinance here.
It’s a persistent problem in Seattle.
The mayor has relaunched
the city’s graffiti abatement program
with an increased emphasis in Chinatown ID.
What impact do you think the relaunch of this program
is going to have?
-Oh, that’s a good question.
I think it’s another tool in the toolbox.
Graffiti is a huge problem.
I think it centers around consent.
It’s also very damaging towards all the small
mom and pop businesses. They’re having to pay hundreds
and thousands to clean up that graffiti.
And, you know, it’s not just graffiti,
it’s etching on the glass as well
that is very concerning. -Right. Right, right.
-It hits us morally.
And it’s something that’s been an ongoing process.
And so I think, you know, we -- it’s unfortunate
because I hear people, staff reporting.
And so how do we educate business owners
and residents to please continue reporting,
but also we have to hit it from a different angle --
like this educational aspect.
Arts and culture with our young people.
-Right. -And people from all ages,
how do we get them engaged in other activities
where they’re not -- where they feel like
their freedom of expression isn’t on property.
-Right. Right.
Because I think the mayor was talking about this.
He’s trying to strike this balance between,
okay, bigger penalties for these prolific taggers.
We’ve got to make sure something’s happening with them
from the criminal sense. But these diversion options
maybe for some of these lower level offenders.
That’s a difficult balance to strike,
I would have to think. Some thoughts about that,
with the mayor saying they’re making sure we take care
of these people who are prolific
and making sure we give some other options to people
who might be, unfortunately, just starting doing graffiti?
-Yes. So with my work on the community watch.
-Yeah. -So we were catching
graffiti taggers once a week, surprisingly enough,
and we were surprised at who these people are.
And, you know, we basically talk to them, you know.
Hey, this is hurting a mom and pop business.
-Yeah, yeah. -You know, the city fines
people after a couple of days
if they don’t clean up the graffiti.
-It hurts the business doubly. -Yes, exactly.
And so, I mean, other than looking at how we correct that,
that angle, but like, talking to people like,
do you realize what you’re doing,
how you’re hurting people and small businesses
and the amounts of issues that arise?
And I think, you know, they --
people used to just run away from us. [ Laughs ]
-Yeah. Right. -Or they’ll like, you know,
chat with us for a bit. But you know,
we try to just instill with them a sense of community,
you know, please come back and help us clean this up.
I mean, making people do community service
and coming in to see the efforts
I think would be helpful as well.
So I think, you know, diversion programs are really important.
And how do we get them into the community
to see what is happening and get them involved
to help with the cleanup I think is gonna be very important.
-Sounds like you’ve been really interactive with it.
So we’ll see what happens there.
I wanted to move on to budget questions,
a lot of them for the council, of course, this year --
this projected budget gap of more than $200 million.
And I remember talking to you on the campaign trail
about this, too, last fall.
Are you looking to make more cuts,
looking to find new revenue? I know there’s a big issue here,
but how are you planning to tackle that budget gap?
-Yes, I know there’s going to be a lot of hard decisions
to be made going forward.
And so I think we have to go through that exercise
where we have to find out what investments are working,
how are we getting the results
and finding that metrics of making sure that,
you know, are we looking hard and closely at programs?
Are they working?
Before we move on to other revenue sources.
And so I think it’s going to be a lot of examination,
a lot of just really chatting with the different departments
in each of our committees and seeing how we can work
to make what we have, our investments,
you know, really produce results.
-Got it. I wanted to talk about the committee
you’re in charge of on the council,
and it’s Sustainability, City Light, Arts and Culture.
There’s a lot under that umbrella.
We got something -- an e-mail in, actually,
regarding sustainability. Came in for a viewer
who wanted to ask you about this.
Robin, thank you very much for that e-mail.
Comp plans get an update this year.
As you know, the city’s Climate Action Plan
has this goal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
by 58% below 2008 levels by the year 2030.
Let’s talk climate goals, please.
-Yes, we have some very ambitious goals.
I think we can hit them.
And I’m not the expert in a lot of things,
but I know that there are a lot of really passionate people
who have been studying this for years,
and I will really lean on them.
I think one of the -- I’m -- this is, you know,
I’m only a few weeks in. -Yeah.
But yeah, hoping to really, you know, talk to department heads
and then talk to community members
and talk to community members as well to try to see
how we can work together to find these solutions
and how we can reach these goals.
-Got it. And I know you’re a new council member.
There’s a new leader at Seattle City Light,
CEO Dawn Lindell, named for the job back in December here.
Any ideas yet? And I know it’s early.
Any ideas yet on what you might be working on with her
when it comes to City Light?
-Yes, I know the big thing this year
is the rate pay rate increase. -Increase, yeah.
-Looking at that, and then looking at the strategic plan
for 2025.
So I look forward to working with the new director.
-Yeah, Yeah. There’s a lot to cover there. Thank you.
And I know we’re just getting started on a lot of these.
Can I talk about the arts with you?
Because there’s a lot of passionate people
in this community too. And you know this as well.
The art scene in Seattle, as in a lot of cities,
really was devastated during the pandemic.
It is showing some signs of life coming back here.
How do you see yourself helping in this situation,
working with the Seattle Office of Arts and Culture?
-Yes, I am really excited because I’ve been involved
with the arts my entire life. I am a dancer.
I also paint as well, and so very excited going forward.
But yeah, working collaboratively
with the Department of Arts and Culture,
because I feel like arts and culture has its hand
in almost every single committee.
The 1% Program. -Right, for art.
-For arts. And, you know, it’s --
arts is at the intersection of, you know, conference.
And how do we revitalize our downtown area, bring people in.
How do we become an arts and culture mecca,
especially going forward with all these big events,
with FIFA soccer coming forward? -Sure. Right.
-I think there’s a lot of really exciting opportunities,
and arts and culture does amazing work,
and I’m excited going forward to be able to come up with,
you know, some initiatives going forward.
-Yeah. And I think that culture part of it,
especially, I feel like you’re going to be adding a lot there
because this is an office that really deals
with the diversity of different artists that are around Seattle
and encouraging them to be a part of that.
Can you talk about that piece, too?
Because I think that’s a very important piece of this.
We’re talking about the culture of the city.
It’s bigger than the symphony or the ballet
or anything like that. There’s a lot going on here
in introducing that piece of culture.
I feel like it’s a big part of your background
and maybe something you’re bringing to this job.
-Yeah. So I grew up performing Chinese cultural dances,
very, very specific, and meeting
a lot of other similar groups and friends
who do something exactly like this in different cultures.
And, you know, there are a lot of issues, you know,
regarding, you know, finding jobs and insurance,
health benefits, as well as how do we find a place
to practice, performance space --
like all of these issues, and how to promote art and culture,
especially in schools?
And, you know, it’s very exciting.
But at the same time, how do -- how are we able to promote
that and their broader range,
I think, is going to be very important.
-Yeah, very passionate community here once again.
I need to wrap up, and I’ve got about a minute to spend here
if we could. And I know you’re very new to this job,
but what’s your favorite thing so far
about becoming a council member? Can you expound on that, please?
-Oh, I think the sense of that excitement,
that hope of better things to come,
the sense of working together
and getting to know fellow council members
and hearing about their dreams and their plans.
It’s so inspiring and so exciting,
especially, you know, working with community members.
I’m getting a lot of e-mails, [ Laughs ] basically, but it’s
great to see because as a Citywide Councilmember,
people will always e-mail their district
and their city representatives.
And seeing the interaction between the city,
the district level representatives
with their constituents
is -- it makes me really excited to, going forward, that,
you know, I think we could -- we’re really planning
to tackle a lot of these issues and place them as a priority,
like with public safety, homelessness, and housing.
And that sense of collaboration going forward
is just amazing. -All right.
Well, thank you very much. This is Councilmember Tanya Woo.
Thank you very much. From Citywide Position 8.
I appreciate you being here.
And we will see you next time on "Council Edition."
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