>>> MAY 14, 2024, I'M ROBERT
KETTLE, CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. WILL THE
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR, THIS ARE FIVE MEMBERS
PRESENT AND COUNCILMEMBER
MORALES IS ALSO WITH US.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MORALES FOR JOINING US TODAY
AND FOR CO-SPONSORING THE
LEGISLATION RELATED TO VACANT
BUILDINGS. I REALLY APPRECIATE
IT. IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION,
THE AGENDA WILL BE ADOPTED.
HEARING NO OBJECTION, THE
AGENDA IS ADOPTED. WE WILL NOW
OPEN THE HYBRID PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD. PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD
RELATE TO THE ITEM ON TODAY'S
AGENDA OR WITHIN THE PER VIEW
OF THIS COMMITTEE. CLERK, HOW
MANY SPEAKERS ARE SIGNED UP
TODAY?
>> CHAIR, THERE IS ONE REMOTE
SPEAKER.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU, CLERK. EACH
SPEAKER, THE ONE SPEAKER WILL
HAVE THREE MINUTES. WE WILL
START WITH OUR REMOTE SPEAKER.
CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE
PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTION?
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
WILL BE MODERATED IN THE
FOLLOWING MATTER. THE PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD IS UP TO 20
MINUTES. SPEAKERS WILL BE
CALLED IN THE ORDER IN WHICH
THEY REGISTERED. THE SPEAKERS
WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN TEN
SECONDS ARE LEFT OF THEIR TIME.
SPEAKERS MICS WILL BE MUTED IF
THEY DO NOT END THEIR COMMENTS
WITHIN THE ALLOTTED TIME TO
ALLOW US TO CALL THE NEXT
SPEAKER. THE PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD IS NOW OPEN AND WILL
BEGIN WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER ON
THE LIST. THE FIRST REMOTE
SPEAKER IS CYNTHIA SPIESE.
SORRY IF I GOT THAT WRONG.
PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX WHEN YOU
HEAR THE PROMPT YOU HAVE BEEN
UNMUTED. GO AHEAD, CYNTHIA.
>> HI, I'M CYNTHIA. MY
COMMENTS TODAY IS REGARDING
AGENDA ITEM SEVEN IN THE UPDATE
TO THE AUTOMATED LEADER
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORT. I
WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE
AWARE THAT THE CHANGE WILL
ENABLE RED STATE TO CIRCUMVENT
THE SHIELD LAW AND KEEP
WASHINGTON WORKING ACT, MEANT
TO PROTECT REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH
CARE AND IMMIGRANT WORKERS. THE
MATERIAL UPDATES INCLUDES THE
DATA BASE TO AN OFF-PREMISE
OPERATOR SERVICE TO THE DATA
BASE MANAGED BY THE VENDOR.
STATEMENTS AT SDT FOLLOWS STATE
LAWS AND THE POLICEMAN YULES DO
NOT ADDRESS THIS RISK BECAUSE
WARRANTS, SUBPOENAS FOR THE
DATA WOULD NOT VOTE TO ACT
DIRECTLY. [ INAUDIBLE ] AND
THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO
NOTIFY THE CITY OF SEATTLE
OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON. THE FACT
IT'S BEING USED TO GET
CALIFORNIA WITH THE IMMIGRANTS.
AND THE DATA HAS BEEN SAVED
FROM THIS, BUT AS SOON AS THEY
SWITCH OVER TO THE DATA BASE,
THE RED STATE FOR SEATTLE AND
THE DATA. THE PRIMARY WAY TO
ENSURE THEY CAN'T ACCESS OUR
DATA WITHOUT GOING TO THE CITY
OF SEATTLE IS THAT THE DATA
BASE -- [ INAUDIBLE ] IT'S
INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR THE NEXT 48
HOURS. BY THE SEATTLE COMMUNITY
WORKING GROUP AND THE FIRE CITY
COUNCIL. THIS MATERIAL UPDATE
IS NOT JUST MORE OF THE SAME,
BUT THE SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION
AND IT WILL HARM VISITORS AND
RESIDENTS OF SEATTLE WHO
WASHINGTON STATE LAWMAKERS
TRIED TO PROTECT. IF YOU
APPROVE OF THIS COUNCIL BILL AS
IS AND YOU'RE ACTIVELY MAKING
SEATTLE NO LONGER A SANCTUARY
CITY FOR WOMEN'S OR GIRLS AND
IMMIGRANTS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO
ADDITIONAL REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
NOW IT'S YOUR TURN.
>> AND I WILL THANK THE PUBLIC
SPEAKER. I UNDERSTAND THE POINT
THAT WAS BEING MADE, AND IT
WILL BE A PART OF THE PROCESS
AS WE REVIEW THE TOPIC. WE WILL
NOW MOVE TO OUR FIRST SIX
ITEMS, THE FIRST FIVE ITEMS OF
BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
READ ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE
INTO THE RECORD?
>> AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH
FIVE. I HAVE TO TURN IT DOWN.
APPOINTMENTS 2845 THROUGH 2849,
APPOINTMENTS OF LOREN
BRANDFORD, MATT TRUEBLOOD AS
MEMBERS OF THE SEATTLE FIRE
CODE ADVISORY BOARD FROM TERMS
THREE YEARS TO COUNCIL
CONFIRMATION. AND APPOINTMENTS,
REAPPOINTMENTS OF CARLENE M
COMRIE, KEVIN MARR, AND CHRIS
TODD AS MEMBERS OF SEATTLE FIRE
CODE ADVISORY BOARD FOR TERMS
FROM AUGUST 14 TO 2026.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK. I MOVE
THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL
RECOMMEND CONFIRMATION OF
APPOINTMENTS 2845 THROUGH 2849.
IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> SECOND. IT IS MOVED AND
SECONDED TO RECOMMEND
CONFIRMATION OF THE
APPOINTMENTS AND
REAPPOINTMENTS. ARE THERE ANY
FINAL COMMENTS? NONE? THANK
YOU. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON THE THE
RECOMMENDATION TO CONFIRM THE
APPOINTMENTS?
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> AYE. THE APPOINTMENTS CARRY
WITH FIVE YES VOTES AND ZERO NO
VOTES.
>> THANK YOU, THESE WILL BE
SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE
WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
ITEM OF BUSINESS. WILL CLERK
PLEASE READ ITEM SIX INTO THE
RECORD.
>> AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO
UNSAFE BUILDING ABATEMENT,
AMENDING SECTION 111 AND
SECTION 202 OF THE 2018 SEATTLE
FIRE CODE AS ADOPTED BY SECTION
22.600.020 OF THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE AND AS REGULATED
ALLOWED BY THE STATE BUILDING
CODE ACT, CHAPTER 19.27 OF THE
REVISED CODE OF WASHINGTON.
DECLARING AN EMERGENCY AND
ESTABLISHING AN IMMEDIATE
EFFECTIVE DATE, ALL BY A 3/4
VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION AND
POSSIBLE VOTE WITH CHIEF
HARRELL OF THE SEATTLE FIRE
DEPARTMENT AND TAMASO JOHNSON
FROM SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL
CENTRAL STAFF.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK. I MOVE
THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND
PASSAGE OF COUNCIL BILL 120777.
IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR SAKA.
IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED TO
RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF THE BILL.
AS CHAIR, I WILL GIVE BRIEF
REMARKS REGARDING THE COUNCIL
BILL, AND I WILL ALSO OFFER AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COSPONSOR
TO PROVIDE REMARKS. AND THEN
INTRODUCE CENTRAL STAFF TO GIVE
THEIR PRESENTATION ON IT. THANK
YOU EVEN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PRESS FORWARD ON THIS VERY
IMPORTANT TOPIC. JUST YESTERDAY
I WAS IN BELL TOWN WITH A GROUP
OF NEIGHBORS WHO ARE FACING A
LOT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
CHALLENGES. A LOT OF THEM ARE
RELATED TO CRIME AND SECURITY,
BUT ALSO THE ISSUE OF VACANT
BUILDINGS. LITERALLY ACROSS THE
STREET. I WILL ADD THERE IS A
VACANT LOT NEXT TO THAT. THESE
BUILDINGS ARE CREATING TRUE
PUBLIC SAFETY THREATS FOR THEIR
COMMUNITY. THIS IS SOMETHING WE
WERE SEEING FIRSTHAND YESTERDAY
AFTERNOON IN BELL TOWN. THIS IS
SOMETHING WE ARE SEEING
THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. THIS IS A
MAJOR ISSUE. THIS IS NOT, YOU
KNOW, SOME RANDOM ACT. THIS IS
AN ISSUE THAT HAS COME THROUGH
A STRONG PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING
THESE BUILDINGS AND REALLY
FOCUSING ON THOSE THAT ARE
PUBLIC SAFETY THREATS. THIS
REALLY GOES TO OUR STRATEGIC
FRAMEWORK TO ADDRESS THE
PERMISSIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT
UNDERLINES THESE PUBLIC SAFETY
CHALLENGES. THOSE CHALLENGES I
WAS HEARING AGAIN AND AGAIN
FROM ABOUT TWO DOZEN PEOPLE
LAST NIGHT, LATE AFTERNOON. AND
THE VACANT BUILDINGS IS AN
IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS. TAKING
ACTION WILL SHOW THE CITY IS
SERIOUS ABOUT DEALING WITH
THESE ISSUES. I APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE COUNCIL
BILL 120777. I'M THANKFUL TO
HAVE COUNCILMEMBER MORALES FROM
DISTRICT TWO TO BE THE
COSPONSOR EVEN THOUGH SHE'S
NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. SO
COUNCILMEMBER MORALES, IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING,
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> SURE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
CHAIR. GOOD MORNING COLLEAGUES.
I AM GLAD TO BE ABLE TO SPONSOR
THIS, COSPONSOR THIS WITH CHAIR
KETTLE. BETWEEN 2022 AND 2023
WE HAD OVER 60 FIRES IN VACANT
BUILDINGS JUST IN DISTRICT TWO.
I KNOW THIS IS A CITY WEED
ISSUE. MANY OF YOU HAVE
EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING WITH
VACANT BUILDINGS. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH
THIS LEGISLATION AND REALLY
APPRECIATE THE MAYOR AND CHIEF
KETTLE. ALL OF US WORKING
TOGETHER GET SOMETHING DRAFTED
TO ALLOW THE CHIEF TO MAKE SURE
WE'RE PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY
MEMBERS. MAKING SURE WE'RE
PROTECTING CITY WORKERS. SO
LOOK FORWARD TO THE VOTE TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. NOW WE
HAVE CENTRAL STAFF TAMASO TO
BRIEF ON THE TOPIC, PLEASE.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.
>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. FOR THE
RECORD, MY NAME IS TAMASO
JOHNSON, COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF
ANALYST. I WILL BE PROVIDING A
BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE
LEGISLATION AS WELL AS THE
ANALYSIS PRESENTED IN THE
CENTRAL STAFF MEMO THAT YOU ARE
ALL IN RECEIPT OF. AS WAS
MENTIONED, COUNCIL BILL 120777
ADDRESSES THE SEATTLE FIRE
DEPARTMENT'S ABATEMENT
AUTHORITY FOR DANGEROUS
BUILDINGS. DRAFT LEGISLATION ON
THIS TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED ON THE
23rd IN THIS COMMITTEE WHERE
THERE WERE PRESENTATIONS BY THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS
CENTRAL STAFF ON THIS ISSUE.
THE AFFECT OF THE LEGISLATION
IS PRIMARILY TWOFOLD. NUMBER,
IT CLARIFIED THE AUTHORITY AND
THE SUMMARY ABATEMENT
AUTHORITY. IT DOES SO BY
INTRODUCING NEW LANGUAGE INTO
THE SEATTLE FIRE CODE,
PROVIDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
WITH THE AUTHORITY TO ABATE
STRUCTURES WHERE THE BUILDING
OR A PORTION THEREOF IS FOUND
TO BE DANGEROUS AND THE PORTION
THEREOF IS NEW LANGUAGE THERE.
IT ALSO REQUIRES UNSAFE
STRUCTURES TO BE TAKEN DOWN OR
MADE SAFE EXPLICITLY AND IT
CLARIFIES THAT THE AUTHORITY
COULD BE INVOKED IF THERE IS A
DANGER. IT ALSO ADDS DEMOLITION
POWER TO THOSE AVAILABLE TO THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE BELIEF OF
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS THAT THE
INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE ON
WHICH IT IS BASED INCLUDES
DEMOLITION AS A FORM OF SUMMARY
ABATEMENT THOUGH THAT IS NOT
EXPLICIT AND IT WOULD BE MADE
SO UNDER THIS BILL. NUMBER TWO,
THE BILL WILL GRANT THE CITY
THE ABILITY TO PURSUE THE COST
RECOVERY RELATED TO ABATEMENT
ACTIVITIES INCLUDING
DEMOLITION. TO DO THIS THE BILL
WILL CROSS REFERENCE THE CODE
OF WASHINGTON AND PUBLIC NUANCE
AND WILL ALLOW THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT TO DECLARE
PROPERTIES OF PUBLIC NUANCE FOR
THE PURPOSE OF AFFECTING LEAN
AUTHORITY THAT WILL MOVE
AGAINST THE PURSUIT OF COST
RECOVERY. THE CENTRAL STAFF
MEMO ON THIS LEGISLATION
IDENTIFIED THE FOLLOWING ISSUES
FOR CONSIDERATION. THE FISCAL
NOTE ESTIMATES THE IMPACT OF
350,000 TO 500,000 IN 2024 FOR
THIS LEGISLATION. INCLUDING THE
SITES THAT WILL BE ABATED IN
THE ONGOING YEARS, AS WELL AS
THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH
CONTRACTING THE DEMOLITIONS.
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BILL
WILL BE REQUESTED AS PART OF
THE MID YEAR SUPPLEMENTAL
BUDGET. THE OTHER ISSUE RELATED
TO THE FISCAL IMPACT IS RELATED
TO THE POTENTIAL LAG, THE
TIMELINESS OF THE RECOVERY
SHOULD THEY BE PURSUED THAT
THERE MIGHT BE COSTS THAT THEY
WERE HOOKED FOR THROUGH THE
RECOVERY OF WHICH WILL TAKE
SOME TIME TO KNOW THESE
ADDITIONAL COSTS, SINCE THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT IS FUNDED
THROUGH THE GENERAL FUNDS.
ADDITIONAL COSTS HERE WOULD
IMPACT THE PROJECTED GENERAL
FUND DEFICIT GOING FORWARD AND
REDUCE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO
COUNCIL FOR OTHER PRIORITIES.
THE OTHER POTENTIAL IMPACTS
THAT ARE IDENTIFIED BY THE
CENTRAL STAFF MEMO INCLUDE
OPERATIONAL IMPACTS. THERE MAY
BE THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL
STAFF, MEET STAFF CAPACITY AND
THE COST IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
AS WELL AS THE SEATTLE
DEPARTMENT OF CONSTRUCTION AND
INSPECTIONS. THE FUTURE
DEVELOPMENTS MIGHT BE IMPACTED
SHOULD THE CITY INVOKE THE LEAN
AUTHORITY AT THE PUBLIC NUANCE
LEAN AUTHORITY AND THAT COULD
HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO INCUMBER
THOSE PROPERTIES. THERE IS ALSO
AN ISSUE THAT IS RELATED TO
HISTORIC DISTRICTS, EXISTING
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE AND
CHANGES INCLUDING, BUT NOT
LIMITED TO THE DEMOLITION ON
HISTORIC LANDMARKS OR
PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HISTORIC
VIZZER RATION DISTRICTS. THEY
ALSO IDENTIFIED RACE AND SOCIAL
JUSTICE CONSIDERATIONS RELATED
TO THE LEGISLATION. MOSTLY
RELATED TO THE FACT THAT A
NUMBER OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT
HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY LOCATED IN
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE LOWER
INCOME AND THAT ARE A HIGHER
PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE OF COLOR,
SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT
EXERCISE OF ABATEMENT AUTHORITY
COULD IMPACT NEGATIVELY IMPACT
PROPERTY OWNERS IN THOSE
NEIGHBORHOODS. OTHERWISE THE
POTENTIAL ON THE FLIP SIDE OF
THAT AND THAT THESE DANGEROUS
BUILDINGS ARE IN THOSE
NEIGHBORHOODS IN ABATEMENT THAT
COULD POSITIVELY IMPACT THE
COMMUNITIES AS WELL. THE
CENTRAL STAFF MEMO ALSO SPOKE
TO THE FACT THAT SOME, TO THE
EXTENT THAT UNSHELTERED,
UNHOUSED PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY
SHELTERING IN DANGEROUS
BUILDINGS. THIS WOULD REMOVE
THOSE SPACES FROM BEING
AVAILABLE FOR SHELTER WITHOUT
ADDING ADDITIONAL SAFE SHELTER.
HOWEVER ON THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT
IF THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND UNFIT
FOR HABITATION THAT THOSE ARE
NOT NECESSARILY SAFER,
APPROPRIATE SITES FOR PEOPLE TO
BE HOUSED. AND THERE ARE, AT
THIS TIME, TWO AMENDMENTS TO
THIS LEGISLATION. AND TO
CLARIFY THE DEFINITION OF THE
FIRE CODE OFFICIAL FOR THE
PURPOSE OF INVOKING SUMMARY
ABATEMENT DEMOLITION AUTHORITY
AND SPECIFY THAT THE FIRE CHIEF
AND THE DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF
SERVING THE FIRE MARSHAL ARE
THE SOUL INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL
HAVE THE ABILITY TO INVOKE A
PART OF THE AUTHORITY AND THAT
SECOND AMENDMENT WOULD REPLACE
ONE OF THE BILL'S FINDINGS WITH
THE DIFFERENT FINDING. I'M
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THAT YOU MAY HAVE
>> I APPRECIATE THE POINT THAT
YOU RAISED AND THAT IT IS
IMPORTANT AND THAT THERE IS A
COST AND ALSO THE PUBLIC SAFETY
COST AND WE WILL BE DILIGENT IN
TERMS OF RECOUPING THOSE COSTS
FROM THE PROPERTY AND THAT IS A
PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
FOLLOW UP ON THE TOPIC TO MAKE
SURE THERE IS NO HICCUP IN THE
PROCESS. AND THAT IS THE
UNDERLINING THING AND THAT
FLIPSIDE YOU KEEP SAYING IS
THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY
THREAT. YOU KNOW, FROM THE
SOCIAL JUSTICE PERSPECTIVE,
YES, THERE IS ONE REASON WHY
AND IT SHOWS WHY IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITIES
TO KEEP THEM SAFE AND THE
CHILDREN IN TERMS OF GETTING
INTO THESE BUILDINGS THAT IT
WILL BE A POTENTIAL TRAGEDY.
AND I KNOW YOUR POINT ABOUT THE
LANDMARK, AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE, BY THE WAY, THAT I
LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT
AND THIS MORNING RELATED, AND
THE LAST TIMES RELATED TO THE
LANDMARK AND WE WILL SPEAK TO
THAT SOON. SO THANK YOU, MR.
JOHNSON. I REALLY APPRECIATE
IT. AND I DON'T THINK WE WILL
HAVE CHIEF TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY
COMMENTS AS WELL. OH, YOU'RE
HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? OKAY,
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING
ON, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT
SUMMARY. COUNCILMEMBER SAKA,
VICE CHAIR SAKA, WOULD YOU LIKE
TO MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE?
>> SO MOVED.
>> WELL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO
MOVE THIS COMMITTEE ADOPT
AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO
COUNCILMEMBER BILL 120777.
>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS TO AMENDMENT NUMBER
ONE?
>> WELL YEAH, I GUESS FIRST U
OFF AS WELL NOTED, THERE ARE
OVER 100 ENTRIES CURRENTLY IN
THE SFD DANGEROUS BUILDINGS
LIST AND IT CURRENTLY HAS OVER
100 ENTRIES AND A SUBSET OF
THOSE BUILDINGS AS I UNDERSTAND
THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED AT LEAST
ONE FIRE THAT COULD LITERALLY
SAVE LIVES AND TRANSFORM SAFETY
IN OUR CITY. YOU KNOW, WHEN
THERE IS A STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE,
SO MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO THANK
YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MORALES AND
THE MAYOR FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP
IN PROPOSING THIS BILL. AND I
ENDEAVOR TO DO LITTLE THINGS TO
TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER AS WELL
AND THIS IS WHAT MY PROPOSED
AMENDMENT EXACTLY DOES.
SPECIFICALLY IT CLARIFIES WHEN
THERE IS DANGER TO LIFE OR
PROPERTY AND EXPLICITLY GIVING
THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE
ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF MAINLY THE
FIRE MARSHAL THAT AUTHORITY AND
I THINK THE CODE ALREADY SORT
OF CONTEMPLATES THAT ONLY THOSE
TWO OFFICIALS HAVE THAT
AUTHORITY. AND THERE WAS
CONTEMPLATION ON SEEN
COMMANDERS COULD MAKE THAT
CALL. AND THE PROPERTY
IMPLICATIONS AND THE COMMUNITY
IMPLICATIONS OF THIS. IT WILL
BE IN POWER TO MAKE THAT CALL
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS
AMENDMENT DOES. I WELCOME ANY
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR
FEEDBACK.
>> I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER, SO
I DON'T HAVE THAT ZOOM HAND
TODAY.
>> OKAY. WELL THANK YOU, VICE
CHAIR. I APPRECIATE IT. I
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
GO INTO THIS TOPIC,
HIGHLIGHTING THE FIRE CODE ON
THE CITY OF THE FIRE CODE,
GOING THROUGH THE STEPS OF THE
VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THAT. AND
SO THANK YOU. WILL THE CLERK
READ ADOPTION ONE?
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PRESIDENT
NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR, THIS ARE FIVE YES
VOTES AND ZERO NO VOTES.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I'LL MOVE
NOW TO AMENDMENT COUNCIL BILL
120777 AS PRESENTED ON
AMENDMENT TWO. AMENDMENT TO
COUNCIL BILL 120777. THIS
AMENDMENT IS BASICALLY ADDED TO
HIGHLIGHT THE CHALLENGES OF THE
RISK THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS RISK
IN THESE BUILDINGS,
PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY HAVE
BEEN COMPROMISED. THE
STRUCTURES MAY NOT BE AS THEY
SEEM. AND IT WILL CREATE A
SITUATION WHERE BEING IN
DESPAIR, MISSING FEATURES, THAT
THESE VACANT BUILDINGS, THEY
WILL INVOLVE THE ENTIRE
BUILDING, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY
FACILITATE THE SPREAD OF THE
FIRE, BASED ON THE FACT THAT
THESE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN
COMPROMISED. SO IT IS JUST
BASICALLY A SIMPLE AMENDMENT TO
CLARIFY THAT POINT AND TO MAKE
THE POINT FOR THE GENERAL
PUBLIC BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THIS
AGAIN AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE
FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE GOING
INTO THESE BUILDINGS ARE
ASSUMING ONE THING BASED ON
THEIR TRAINING IN TERMS OF THE
WALL STRUCTURES, THE TYPE, THE
DIFFERENT PIECES OF, YOU KNOW,
THE STRUCTURE. BUT IF THEY HAVE
BEEN COMPROMISED AND THEY
DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN
COMPROMISED. THAT'LL CREATE
THE CONDITIONS OF GREATER
VOLATILITY AND GREATER RISKS
FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS. THAT'S
THE BASIC PREMISE AND THE PLAN
OF THIS AMENDMENT. ARE THERE
ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I HAVE ONE. SO --
>> BY THE WAY, YES. THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT SECONDED.
>> DID YOU MOVE IT?
>> I DID MOVE IT.
>> I WILL MOVE IT AGAIN.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER.
>> AMELIA WOULD BE PROUD OF US
IF I MOVE IT AGAIN AND THEN IF
YOU COULD SECOND BEFORE YOU
MAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> MIGHT AS WELL MOVE IT AGAIN.
MIGHT AS WELL. SO I MOVE TO
AMEND COUNCIL BILL 120777 AS
PRESENTED IN AMENDMENT TWO,
WHICH WAS SAID. TO CONFIRM I
GOT A SECOND, CAN YOU SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> OKAY, NOW YOUR QUESTION,
PLEASE.
>> MY QUESTION IS I APPRECIATE
THAT YOU ARE HIGHLIGHTING THE
SAFETY RISK OF THESE BUILDINGS
POSED WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN OUR
FIREFIGHTERS GO TO PUT OUT
FIRES.
>> IT IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE
ISSUES WITH THE SQUATTERS, BUT
BASICALLY AS MENTIONED, THE
INDIVIDUALS GOING INTO THESE
BUILDINGS AND USING THEM FOR
VARIOUS PURPOSES. THAT IT COULD
BE TO STEAL COPPER WIRES FROM
THE WALL AND TO HAVE A LAB. AND
WHEN I VIEW, MR. CHAIR, THAT
YOU ARE THE TRUE AUTHOR OF THIS
AMENDMENT, BUT I VIEW THOSE TWO
CONSTRUCTS AS COMPLIMENTARY. I
THINK THEY CAN BOTH EXIST AT
SAME TIME. AND I DON'T SEE A
REASON WHY LIKE THEY BOTH
COULDN'T POTENTIALLY BE IN
THERE. I THINK WE NEED TO BE
INTENTIONAL ABOUT CALLING OUT
EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AND
THAT ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IN TERMS
OF CALLING OUT SYNTHETIC
NARCOTICS AND FENTANYL AND METH
AMONG OTHER THINGS. AND THAT IS
AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON
MODIFYING THIS A LITTLE BIT TO
ADD BOTH OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE
WE KEEP AND RETAIN BOTH OF
THOSE AND YOUR NEW WORDING AND,
YOU KNOW, THE SUBSECTION D?
>> I'LL LEAVE THIS UP TO YOU
TOO.
>> OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL?
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. THE
POINT MADE BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT
AND VICE CHAIR. AND I WAS JUST
GOING TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE,
THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING
ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO
POSSIBLY COME AT FULL COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN
TWEAKING THE AMENDMENT AND
FURTHER MODIFYING IT, THIAZOLS
AN OPTION TO BRING AN ALTERED
VERSION OF THIS AMENDMENT FOR
FULL COUNCIL.
>> OKAY, IS ANOTHER APPROACH
PERHAPS, I'M SORRY. AND
ANOTHER APPROACH ALSO TO
APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT AND THEN
TWEAK IT SO WE DON'T LOSE
MOMENTUM ON THIS AND I WILL LET
CENTRAL STAFF. IS THAT WHAT
YOU'RE SUGGESTING?
>> AND WE COULD DO EITHER. IT
IS AT YOUR DISCUSSION, CHAIR.
YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH
AMENDMENT TWO AS WRITTEN NOW
AND THEN ADD AN ADDITIONAL
AMENDMENT ADDRESSING THE ISSUES
THAT OTHERS ARE DESCRIBING OR
WE COULD HOLD THIS AMENDMENT
FOR FULL COUNCIL AND GET IT TO
ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT
YOU WANT.
>> CAN THE MOTION BE MADE TO
AMEND THIS CURRENT AMENDMENT
NUMBER TWO?
>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I LOVE
YOUR CLARIFICATION LANGUAGE AND
THE INTEREST OF MOVING THIS
ALONG. I PROPOSE THAT WE VOTE
ON THE ORIGINAL OR THE
AMENDMENT LANGUAGE THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE BEFORE US TODAY,
SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE
ALREADY GOING TO BE POTENTIAL
OTHER AMENDMENTS LATER. IN THE
INTEREST OF MOVING THIS ALONG
AT YOUR DISCRETION. I MEAN I'M
PERSONALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS
AS IS RIGHT NOW AND THEN WE
COULD POTENTIALLY TWEAK LATER.
>> AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT, IF WE
APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT?
>> THAT IS A GOOD IDEA AND I'M
FINE WITH THIS COURSE OF
ACTION.
>> WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON ADOPTION NUMBER 2?
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PRESIDENT
NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR, THERE ARE FIVE YES
VOTES AND ZERO NO VOTES.
>> THANK YOU. NOW THAT WE HAVE
A FINAL AMENDED COUNCIL BILL, I
MOVE THAT THE COMMUNITY
RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF 120777 AS
AMENDED. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED TO
PASS COUNCIL BILL AS AMENDED.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
COUNCIL PRESIDENT?
>> THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BRINGING
THIS FORWARD, CHAIR AND ALSO
CO-SPONSOR MORALES HERE. AND
FOR THOSE THAT DID NOT TUNE IN
TO THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING
AND A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
THERE WAS A ROBUST DISCUSSION
ABOUT THE NEED FOR TAKING THIS
ISSUE TO THE NEXT STEP TO
ADDRESS NOT JUST THE BUILDINGS
TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES,
BUT ALSO TO THE SAFETY OF OUR
FIREFIGHTERS. SO THANK YOU
AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCIL
PRESIDENT. I SHOULD ADD TO THIS
AND THIS IS THE FOCUS OF PUBLIC
SAFETY, BY APPRECIATE THE FACT
THAT OUR CO-SPONSOR MORALES IS
ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE LAPPED
USE COMMITTEE. AND SO I THINK
THAT ALSO PROVIDES, YOU KNOW,
AN ADDED PIECE TO THIS BECAUSE
BASICALLY THE ISSUE OF VACANT
BUILDINGS, THE LAND USE
COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER
BECAUSE THESE ISSUES, THEY KIND
OF HIGHLIGHTED IN THE COUNCIL
MEMO, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL SHOW
THAT WE DO NEED TO WORK
TOGETHER AND BECAUSE THEY DO
BECOME A BLIGHT TO PUBLIC
SAFETY THREAT AS WE NEED TO
WORK TOGETHER IN TERMS OF
MAKING SURE OUR COMMUNITIES ARE
HOLE IN MOVING FORWARD. SO
THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS?
>> MR. CHAIR?
>> YES, VICE CHAIR?
>> WELL NOW WE WOULD NEED TO --
>> YES.
>> OKAY, NO. I STRONGLY SUPPORT
THIS CURRENT VERSION OF THE
BILL AS AMENDED. CURRENTLY
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP
THIS MOVING ALONG. BUT I WILL
JUST SHARE THAT I AM SPONSORING
ANOTHER AMENDMENT IN REGARDS TO
SOME SPECIFIC CONCERNS RAISED
BY SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS IN
PIONEER SQUARE, WHICH IS JUST
BASICALLY INTENDED TO CLARIFY
THE APPLICABILITY OF THE
STATUTE TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS
IN OUR CITY. AND YOU KNOW,
COLLEAGUES, YOU MAY RECALL AT
THIS VERY COMMITTEE MEETING, I
THINK DURING ONE OF THE FIRST
COMMITTEE MEETINGS WHEN THIS
WAS BEING INTRODUCED. WE WOULD
HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM A
SPECIFIC MEMBER, ONE OF MY
CONSTITUENTS FROM PIONEER
SQUARE. AND RAISING, YOU KNOW,
LIKE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THIS AMENDMENTED TO REFLECT
THAT FEEDBACK. SO I DO HAVE AN
AMENDMENT AND I'M FINALIZING
RIGHT NOW AND THAT I WILL DO
THAT AND THEY DO EXACTLY THAT
AND MORE SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY
WILL CLARIFY THAT THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION DISTRICT AND THE
ROLE OF THE HISTORIC BOARDS
AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE ISSUE.
AGAIN, FINALIZING THAT REVIEW
PROCESS RIGHT NOW. I HAVE
SOCIALIZED THE LANGUAGE
DIRECTLY WITH THE CONSTITUENTS
THAT WILL RAISE THIS ISSUE AND
THEY ARE FINE WITH IT. I WILL
MAKE SURE YOU ALL SEE A COPY OF
THIS AS WELL AND I DON'T THINK
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PAIRS
BACK OUR ABILITY TO ACT ON
THIS. I THINK INSTEAD, IT JUST
CLARIFIES THE APPLICABILITY TO
AGAIN, HISTORIC BUILDINGS. BUT
I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE CURRENT
VERSION OF THE BILL, BUT I DO
JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT RIGHT
NOW.
>> VICE CHAIR, I APPRECIATE
THAT. YES, I'M WELL AWARE OF
IT, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. I
DO, IT'S GOOD GOVERNANCE.
IT'S HIGHLIGHTING THE ROLE OF
PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IT IS ALSO
THE POINT OF GOOD GOVERNMENTS
BRINGING IN ALL STAKEHOLDERS
FOR THE PIONEER SQUARE
COMMUNITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
ALSO THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT
WILL HAVE A HISTORICAL
BUILDING. YES, THAT WILL NEED
TO BE A PART OF THE DECISION
MAKING PROCESS, BUT AT THE END
OF THE DAY, OF COURSE, THE
SAFETY OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND
THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY IS
KEY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO
OTHER COMMENTS. WILL THE CLERK
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE
PASSAGE OF COUNCIL BILL 120777
AS AMENDED?
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR, THIS ARE FIVE YES
VOTES AND ZERO NO VOTES.
>> OKAY, MOTION CARRIES. THE
RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY PASS
120777 AS AMENDED WILL BE SENT
TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU
FOR JOINING US, COUNCILMEMBER
MORALES. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO
OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS. WILL
THE CLERK PLEASE READ ITEM 7
INTO THE RECORD.
>> AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE
SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY
IMPLEMENTATION. AUTHORIZING THE
APPROVAL OF USES AND ACCEPTING
THE 2023 UPDATED SURVEILLANCE
IMPACT REPORT AND THE 2023
EXECUTIVE OVERVIEW OF THE
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE
OF AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE
READER TECHNOLOGY. BRIEFING AND
DISCUSSION BIT POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND TAMASO JOHNSON
OF CENTRAL STAFF.
>> NOW BEFORE MOVING ON, I DO
WANT TO THANK THE FIRE CHIEF
FOR JOINING US TODAY. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH AND I APPRECIATE YOUR
SUPPORT ON THIS TOPIC. VERY
MUCH APPRECIATED. I ALSO THANK
YOU, MR. JOHNSON, FOR JOINING
US AGAIN I BELIEVE WITH ABOVE
ME ON THE SCREEN IS CAPTAIN
BRITT. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND
PRESENT. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING ALL, CAPTAIN OF
THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND I
APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO
ATTEND IN PERSON. I'M IN
DALLAS GETTING PREPARED FOR THE
FIFA WORLD CUP WORK, AND I
APPRECIATE TAKING THE
OPPORTUNITY HERE. I UNDERSTAND
THERE IS A POWER POINT.
>> I'M HAPPY TO SHARE IT, BUT
WE ONLY HAVE THE PDF VERSION.
IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT,
CAPTAIN BRITT?
>> LET ME SEE IF I CAN AND I
APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT THEY ARE
DOING, MY APOLOGIES.
>> I'M ALSO HAPPY TO BRING IT
UP.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND. THAT
WOULD BE GREAT. I'M WORKING A
LITTLE REMOTE HERE.
>> THERE YOU GO, THANK YOU.
THERE HAVE BEEN 28 IMPACT
REPORTS BY THE CITY COUNCIL AS
WE WOULD WORK THROUGH THE
PROCESS. MANY OF THEM
ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THOSE
ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXISTING
TECHNOLOGY AND A COUPLE OF THEM
ASSOCIATED WITH UPDATES TO THE
EXISTING TECHNOLOGY AS IS THE
ONE THAT YOU WILL HEAR THIS
MORNING. SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE
1418 REQUIRES APPROVAL FOR THE
MATERIAL UPDATE TO THE SIR.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS
CONSIDERED A MATERIAL UPDATE AS
DETERMINED BY THE CTO AND THE
PRIVACY OFFICE AT SEATTLE I.T.
AND THE UPDATE DOES NOT REQUIRE
TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS
AS THE INITIAL SIR, RATHER THAN
JUST MAKING SURE AS YOU WOULD
THROUGH THE PROCESS. NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WHAT IS THE
TECHNOLOGY? MUCH OF THIS WAS
APPROVED PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL
THAT WILL CURRENTLY SEEK
APPROVING IT AND JUST A QUICK
OVERVIEW. THEY ARE A
COMBINATION OF THE SOFTWARE AND
HARDWARE USED FOR CAPTURING AND
MONITORING THE USE OF LICENSE
PLATES. AND THEY PASSED THAT
ORDINANCE APPROVING THE USE OF
THE TECHNOLOGY IN 11 VEHICLES.
WE USE THESE TECHNOLOGIES IN
THE PURSUIT OF MAINTAINING THE
PUBLIC SAFETY AND RELATED TO
STOLEN VEHICLES, PARKING
ENFORCEMENT, AMBER AND SILVER
ALERTS, AND OTHER ACTIVE
INVESTIGATIONS. NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE. HOW WE USE THIS IS VERY
IMPORTANT. THE MAP IS A HEAT
MAP OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT,
WHICH SAN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION
HERE. THEY'RE USED IN ACTIVE
INVESTIGATIONS TO FIND MISSING
PERSONS AND RECOVER LOST OR
STOLEN VEHICLES. SOFTWARE,
WHICH SEES THE LICENSE PLATE AS
A PART OF THE VIEW AND I SEE
NICK IS JOINING US, WHICH IS
GREAT. THANK YOU. AND WILL
COMPARE THAT NUMBER TO A LIST
OF LICENSE PLATES ASSOCIATED
WITH OPEN OR REPORTED CRIMES
AND MISSING PERSONS. IF FOUND,
THE OFFICER MUST VERIFY THE
PLATE AND THE ACCURACY AND
CONFIRM WITH DISPATCH BEFORE
ANY ACTION IS TAKEN. EACH TIME
THEY LOG IN OR CONTACT DISPATCH
FOR THE RECORD IS CREATED. AND
NOW FOR THE EXPANSION ON THE
NEXT SLIDE HERE. IT WILL HELP
ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES
FOR THE GROWING THEFT PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE INCREASED
DRAMATICALLY. 33% FROM 6,934
VEHICLES TO 1,189. EXPANSION TO
ALL OF OUR EXISTING VEHICLES
THAT WILL OCCUR QUICKLY AND
COST $280 PER YEAR. THAT'S ONE
OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS AS
WELL IS JUST IN THE ADVANCE OF
THIS HARDWARE THAT IS BEING
USED AND THE CURRENT DESIGNS OF
OUR VEHICLES. IT IS A SEPARATE
INSTALLATION AMOUNTED TO THE
LIGHT BARS OF THE PATROL
VEHICLES OR RATHER EXPENSIVE
COST EFFECTIVE PROCESS, WHICH
IS WHY WE WERE LIMITED TO 11
VEHICLES. WITH ADVANCES IN
TECHNOLOGY AND THE DIFFERENT
CAPABILITIES, WE HAVE UPGRADED
OUR HARDWARE IN THE PROCESS OF
THEIR FLEET TWO SYSTEMS, WHICH
IS AN UPGRADE AND A PART OF
THAT PROCESS AND IN THAT SYSTEM
IS A SOFTWARE CAPABILITY THAT
WILL ALLOW US TO TURN THOSE
CAMERAS INTO LICENSE PLATE
READERS AS WELL AND UTILIZING
THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS, NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE JUST
TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT
OVER THE SPECIFIC VEHICLES TO
IT AND ALL VEHICLES THAT ARE
EQUIPPED WITH THE VIDEO
SYSTEMS. AND THE
FUNCTIONALITIES THAT WILL
ENABLE US. ALL SWORN OFFICERS
WILL BE TRAINED IN THE USE OF
THE SYSTEM INSIDE THEIR VIDEO
AND THE BACK OFFICE SYSTEM
THROUGH THE CAMERA DATA IS
INTERPRETED WILL SHIFT FROM THE
COMPANY THAT WILL CURRENTLY
PROVIDE THAT PITCH TO THE
EXPANDED ACT ON FLEET PLATFORM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WHAT WILL
NOT CHANGE? NO CHANGE WILL BE
MADE TO THE DATA RETENTION. ALL
DATA COLLECTED BY THE IMAGES,
COMPUTERS, INTERPRETED LICENSE
PLATE NUMBERS, THE DATE TIME,
LOCATIONS, ALL RESTORED FOR 90
DAYS. AFTER 90 DAYS, ALL DATA
COLLECTED BY THE SYSTEMS ARE
AUTOMATICALLY DELETED, UNLESS
IT HAS BEEN FLAGGED TO SERVE AN
INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSE, IN WHICH
CASE IS INCLUDED IN THE
INVESTIGATIONS FILE AND
STOREDDED AS PER ALL DIGITAL
EVIDENCE OF POLICIES THAT WILL
CURRENTLY EXIST. NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE. AND I WELCOME ANY
QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY MAY
HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, CAPTAIN BRITT.
FIRST WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON
JOINING US HERE AT THE TABLE.
AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I'M WITH THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
>> OKAY, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS.
CAPTAIN BRITT, I TAKE IT THAT
IT IS PRETTY CLOSE?
>> AND YOU DID REMARKABLY WELL,
SIR.
>> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS? I SEE ONE ABOVE ME,
A HAND I BELIEVE WITH COUNCIL
PRESIDENT?
>> VICE CHAIR SAKA HAD HIS HAND
UP AND THEN I'LL GO.
>> YOU WILL SEE, MADAM
PRESIDENT.
>> OKAY, COULD YOU PLEASE GO
BACK TO SLIDE FIVE?
>> I ALSO LIKE TO NOTE IN
ADDITION TO THE TABLE HERE WE
HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA
JOINING US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING.
>> SO THANK YOU. I WAS STRUCK
BY THE SECOND BULLET POINT
HERE. AND WHERE IT SAYS MOTOR
VEHICLE THEFT HAS INCREASED 33%
FROM 2022 TO 2023 FROM 6,000 TO
9,000 ROUNDING UP OR ROUNDING
DOWN INCIDENT. AND THAT IS AN
INCREDIBLE INCREASE. SO MY
FIRST QUESTION IS AND YOU CAN
TELL ME THIS LATER, HAVE YOU
IDENTIFIED THE BRANDS OF THOSE
MAKES AND MODELS OF THE CARS? I
KNOW THAT THERE WAS ACTION TO
ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THE
ANTI-THEFT TECHNOLOGY WAS
MISSING, ETC. THAT'S A
DIFFERENT STORY. BUT I ALSO
APPRECIATE THE PREVIOUS PAGE,
LET'S SEE, THREE. YOU DO
MEMBER WHY YOU USE THIS
TECHNOLOGY AND CIVIL ALERTS,
STOLEN VEHICLES. AND NOW THEIR
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT THEY ARE ALSO
USED IN SMALL BUSINESS THEFTS,
SMASH AND GRABS, ETC. THIS IS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL
KEEP ME UP AT NIGHT AND THE
FACT THAT CARS HAVE BECOME AN
ACCESSORY TO OTHER CRIMES. AND
SO WILL THE ADOPTION OR THE
EXPANSION OF THE USE OF THIS
ALSO AID IN REDUCING THOSE
DOWNSTREAM CRIMES THAT STOLEN
CARS ARE USED FOR?
>> IT WILL ALLOW US TO IDENTIFY
STOLEN VEHICLES THAT WE WOULD
OTHERWISE NOT IDENTIFY AND TO
TAKE ACTION ON THEM PRIOR TO
THEM BEING USED IN ADDITIONAL
CRIMES THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
USED FOR. THE EXPANSION OF THIS
IS TO MAKE SURE EVERY PATROL
CAR IS ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR
STOLEN VEHICLES AND VEHICLES
WANTED IN CRIMES, VERSES JUST
THE 11 PEOPLE THAT ARE
SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE
PRECINCTS. SO THE OFFICERS ON
ROUTINE PATROL AND CALLS WILL
RECEIVE ALERTS BECAUSE THEY
WILL DRIVE ALONE AND I HAVE
BEEN DOWNLOADING THIS
TECHNOLOGY IN MY ASSIGNED
VEHICLE FOR THE BETTER PART OF
ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW. WHILE I'M
NOT A PATROL OFFICER OUT ON
ROUTINE PATROL, I, MYSELF, HAVE
RECOVERED ABOUT 24 STOLEN
VEHICLES. AND HEADING OUT TO
GRAB LUNCH OR HEADING OUT TO
ANY OTHER MEETINGS. SO THIS
WILL EXPAND OUR ABILITY TO
IDENTIFY AND INTERVENE ON
STOLEN VEHICLES. AS FOR THE
MAKES AND MODELS, WE COULD GET
THAT BREAK DOWN FOR YOU AND
I'M HESITANT TO PIN THE
MAJORITY OF THAT WITHOUT THE
DATA IN FRONT OF ME. THAT IS
CERTAINLY AN ASPECT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> COUNCILMEMBER, IF I MAY, I
DO HAVE A LIST OF THE TOP TEN
STOLEN VEHICLES. WE'LL SEND
YOU THAT LIST, BUT THE TOP
FIVE, FORD, KIA, TOYOTA WITH
THE FIRST ONE BEING THE
HIGHEST.
>> THANK YOU. THAT WILL HELP US
TRACK WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY
HAVING THE INTENDED OUTCOME
THAT COULD HELP WITH PREVIOUS
EFFORTS, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VICE
CHAIR SABIKA?
>> AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OVERVIEW PRESENTATION. I THINK
OVERALL IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT
TOOL AND SYSTEMS NEEDED TO HELP
US ADDRESS THE NUMBER OF
CHALLENGES ACROSS THE CITY. I
DO THINK WE NEED A THOUGHTFUL
EMPLOYMENT IN IMPLEMENTATIONS
AS WELL AND UNDERSTAND WHAT
THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES AND WHAT
IT DOESN'T DO AND SO THAT IS
WHAT MY QUESTIONS ARE DESIGNED
TO ADDRESS. SO FIRST OF ALL
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL AND A
PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT IS
PERFECT. AND WHAT ARE THE FALSE
POSITIVES AND THE FALSE
NEGATIVE RATES OF THIS
TECHNOLOGY?
>> WITHOUT GIVING YOU THE
DIRECT NUMBERS. I CAN TELL YOU
THAT THEY HAVE DRAMATICALLY
APPROVED OVER TIME. WITH THAT
BEING SAID. THAT'S ONE OF THE
KEY FACTORS IN THEIR USAGE IS
THAT OFFICERS, THEY ARE TRAINED
TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE IMAGE
TAKEN OF THE LICENSE PLATE WILL
MATCH THE INTERPRETATION THAT
THE COMPUTER SAYS AND IT IS
DISPLAYED. ALL THE INFORMATION
IS DISPLAYED FOR THE OFFICER.
IT'S TAKEN FROM THE LICENSE
PLATE AND THIS IS WHAT WE READ
ABOUT IT AND THE INFORMATION
THAT'S COMING BACK FROM THE
COMPUTER SAYING IT IS INVOLVED
IN A CRIME OR STOLEN. AND THAT
TECHNOLOGY HAS NOT YET ADVANCED
TO THE POINT WHERE THEY COULD
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN DIFFERENT
STATES. SO IT IS ONLY READING
THE CHARACTERS ON THE LICENSE
PLATE ITSELF. THAT IS A
CRITICAL PIECE IN THE PART
WHERE OFFICERS, THEY HAVE TO
MAKE SURE THEY ARE ACTUALLY
VALIDATING WHAT THE COMPUTER IS
TELLING THEM. AND IT IS AN ABC
OUT OF WASHINGTON STATE THAT'S
STOLEN AND I WOULD DRIVE BY
WASHINGTON OR BY ONE, TWO,
THREE OUT OF TEXAS. THE
COMPUTER IS GOING TO ALERT AND
SAY HEY, YOU MAY HAVE JUST
DRIVEN BY THE STOLEN CAR, BUT
I'M TRAINED TO LOOK AND MAKE
SURE THAT NUMBER ONE, IT'S
READING ONE, TWO, THREE ABC AND
READING OUT OF THE CORRECT
STATE. SO THAT HUMAN IN THE
LOOP ASPECT IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT TO THAT. WE CAN TRY
TO GET STATS FROM THE VENDORS,
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT
NOW ON THE FALSE POSITIVES.
>> THANK YOU. I WOULD BE
CURIOUS IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND
SHARING WITH MY OFFICE. THAT
WOULD BE APPRECIATED. AND, YOU
KNOW, MY SENSE IS MAYBE THE
OTHER FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY,
THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN
THAT AND I HEAR COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA NEXT TO ME IN THE
AFFIRMATIVE. BUT THAT WOULD BE
GOOD INFORMATION TO SORT OF
BETTER UNDERSTAND. IT SOUNDS
LIKE THERE IS A GAP IN TERMS OF
TECHNOLOGICAL GAP IN TERMS OF
NOT BEING ABLE TO DISCERN
BETWEEN THE STATES AND TO READ
THE RAW NUMBERS OR YEAH, THE
RAW TAG INFORMATION, BUT NOT
DISCERN THE STATES CURRENTLY.
AND IS THAT BECAUSE IT IS AN
INNOVATION OR DISCREPANCY JUST
BECAUSE OF THE DISCREPANCY IN
THE BROADER TECHNOLOGY OR
WHATEVER PACKAGE THAT WE, THE
CITY HAS PURCHASED AS A PART OF
THIS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE
ENHANCED VERSION THAT DOES HAVE
THE CAPE ACCOUNT OR IS THAT THE
CAPABILITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST
TODAY?
>> THE TECHNOLOGY IS SIMPLY NOT
THERE YET, SIR. WASHINGTON
STATE ALONE HAS DOZENS OF
DIFFERENT STATE LICENSE PLATES
THAT COULD BE CREATED
EVERYTHING FROM PARK SUPPORT TO
THE MEMORIAL AND TO THE VARIOUS
DIFFERENT LICENSE PLATES THAT
WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT AND THEN
ADD ON THE OTHER 49 STATES THAT
WE WILL DEAL WITH AS WELL AS
OUR FRIENDS AND THOSE TO THE
NORTH IN CANADA AND OTHER
PLATES. SO IT IS SITLY NOT
THERE YET WITH A LOT OF WORK
THAT'S BEING DONE. EVERY TIME
THE STATE WILL ADD A NEW DESIGN
FOR A LICENSE PLATE THAT WILL
HAVE TO BE UPDATED. SO RIGHT
NOW THAT TECHNOLOGY IS
CONFIDENTLY FUNCTIONING THAT IT
WAS READING THE CHARACTER OF
THE PLATE AND THEY ARE STILL
WORKING ON THAT CONFIDENCE TO
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN STATES.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND MY
OTHER QUESTION WILL JUST RELATE
TO MORE USE CASES AND THE
SCENARIOS. I WILL FIRST
REFERENCE A VERY, WHAT I FOUND
TO BE A VERY INSIGHTFUL ARTICLE
FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES ABOUT A
MONTH AGO ON APRIL 19 WAS THE
EXACT DAY, BUT THEY WOULD TALK
ABOUT INSPIRED LICENSE PLATES.
THE TEMPORARY TAGS. I THINK THE
HEADLINE, THE ARTICLE NAME WAS
FAKE TAGS AND ADD TO THE REAL
CHAOS IN AMERICAN ROADS. AND
THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT CITIES,
BIG CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
THEY ARE CRACKING DOWN ON FAKE
TAGS, EXPIRED TAGS. BECAUSE
THEY ARE POSING SIGNIFICANT
PUBLIC SAFETY CHALLENGES.
STOLEN CARS AMONG THE OTHER
THINGS, THE CRASH AND GRABS AND
IT IS GETTING OUT OF HAND. SO I
FOUND THAT TO BE A THOUGHT
PROVOKING ARTICLE AND I
ENCOURAGE ALL LEADERS TO READ
THAT ARTICLE IF YOU HAVE NOT
ALREADY AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO
SHARE IT WITH YOU AND IT IS AN
INTERESTING ARTICLE. WITHOUT
HAVING, CAPTAIN, WITHOUT
NECESSARILY HAVING, YOU HAVING
THAT BENEFIT OF READING THE
ARTICLE, JUST BASED OFF OF WHAT
YOU'RE HEARING NOW FROM MY
KIND OF QUICK SUMMARY AND
RECAP. HOW DOES THIS TECHNOLOGY
ADDRESS THAT GAP? LIKE THE
CHALLENGE OR THE PROBLEM
REALLY, THE CHALLENGE WITH
EXPIRED TAGS? AND COUNTERFEIT
TAGS AND THAT KIND OF THING AND
THE RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THEY
POSE TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
SITUATION HERE IN SEATTLE?
>> AND SO THE EXPIRED PIECE IS
PROBABLY THE EASIEST PART TO
ADDRESS WHERE IT COULD BE SET
UP TO READ ANY LIST OF DATA AND
INFORMATION AND THE CHALLENGE
WITH EXPIRED TAGS IS THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE US THE
ONGOING UPDATED LIST OF ALL
EXPIRED LICENSE PLATES WITHIN
WASHINGTON STATE. AND THAT IS
DOABLE, BUT IT'S THE BODY OF
WORK THAT THE STATE WILL HAVE
TO TAKE ON. THEN WE WOULD HAVE
TO CREATE AN ALERT THAT WILL
ALERT US WHEN THAT EXPIRED
LICENSE PLATE HAS BEEN VIEWED.
THAT IS CERTAINLY DOABLE WITHIN
THE TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT WOULD
REQUIRE SOME CORPORATION TO
ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
AND AS FOR THE TAG, UNLESS WE
HAVE IT ENTERED INTO THE
SYSTEM, IT WON'T ALERT US. THE
WAY IT WORKS IS REALLY JUST
READING OFF THE NEXT SPREAD
SHEET. THE COMPUTER AND THE
CAMERA WILL READ THE LICENSE
PLATE AND THEN IT WILL COMPARE
THAT DATA TO THE LIST THAT THEY
WILL HAVE. IF ONE, TWO, THREE
ABC IS ANYWHERE ON THAT LIST,
THEY WILL DETERMINE WHAT REASON
AND WANTED IN A MURDER OR
STOLEN VEHICLE. AND NOW THAT
ALERT WILL HAPPEN AND IT IS A
QUICK PROCESS. IT'S BECAUSE IT
IS REALLY JUST DOING AN
OBSTACLE RECOGNITION OF
CHARACTERS AND THEN COMPARING
IT TO AN EXISTING DATA SET AND
IT WILL IMPACT OUR CITY IN
THESE UNDERLINING CONCERNS.
DEPENDENCIES ARE NOT AND I
THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN
IMPLEMENTATION LIKE A SPECIFIC
CHALLENGE WITH THAT ISSUE IN
SEATTLE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE SPD
AND THE EXECUTIVE TO THINK
ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO SORT OF,
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE RELYING
SOLELY ON THE GOOD GRACE AND
GOODWILL OF OTHERS TO ACT
INCLUDING THE STATE. I'M GOING
TO BE PERSONALLY THINKING ABOUT
THAT FROM THE LEGISLATIVE
STANDPOINT. LET US ALL COME
TOGETHER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT
WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS SOME OF
THOSE CONCERNS HERE IN SEATTLE,
SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR.
COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR KETTLE.
THANK YOU CAPTAIN BRITT AND SPD
FOR THIS. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE
OF QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS
ON SLIDE FOUR, I THINK IT IS.
AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. IS
THAT WHERE IT SAYS MOTOR
VEHICLE THEFT LOCATIONS? IS
THAT WHERE THE THEFT IS TAKING
PLACE OR WHERE THAT VEHICLE IS
RECOVERED?
>> THAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE
THEFT ITSELF.
>> OKAY, GOT IT, THANK YOU.
THAT IS REALLY GOOD TO KNOW.
AND WHEN I WAS AT 911 AND THEY
HAD AT THE TIME, THE CALLER WAS
AN OFFICER. AND HE RECOVERED A
VEHICLE STOLEN. I COULD ONLY
IMAGINE WITH ALL THE POLICE
VEHICLES THAT ARE HAVING THIS
AND HOW MANY CALLS THEY WOULD
BE ABSORBING. IS THAT
IDENTIFIED TO SAY HEY, DO WE
NEED A DEDICATED PERSON TO TAKE
ALL THESE CALLS OR WOULD IT
HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THAN WHAT WE
THINK?
>> NO, MA'AM. IF THEY ARE
OPERATING OUR MOTOR VEHICLE OUT
ON THE STREETS TO GET THOSE
ALERTS, THERE IS NO NEED TO LOG
THEMSELVES IN TO RECOVERY.
>> AND I'M SORRY, BUT GOT IT.
SO THEY WOULD INCREASE WITH
IDENTIFYING THESE VEHICLES AS,
YOU KNOW, YOU ARE JUST DRIVING.
I COULD ONLY IMAGINE THE HITS
AND JUST DRIVING THROUGH
NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY.
>> AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE
PLANTS. I'M SORRY, I DON'T
MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
>> AND WE ARE WORKING ON PLANS,
WHILE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM IN
OUR POLICY TO ADDRESS HOW THE
OFFICERS WILL MANAGE THESE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG
CONCERNS. WHAT DOES THE OFFICER
DO WITH THE ALERT THAT THEY
RECEIVE PRIOR TO THE CALL. SO
WE DON'T WANT THAT ANSWER TO
DROP OFF THE IN PROGRESS CALL
TO GO TO THE RECOVERY OF THE
STOLEN VEHICLE PARKED ON THE
SIDE OF THE ROAD. WE'RE
WORKING ON THE POLICY TO HAVE
THEM HANDLE THE CALL OR
BROADCAST IT, SO DISPATCH COULD
CREATE A CALL THAT THE OFFICERS
COULD THEN RETURN TO AT A LATER
DATE TO EITHER RECOVER THE
VEHICLE OR IF IT WAS ROLLING IN
THE TIME AT THE SCENE TO TRY TO
LOCATE THE VEHICLE. SO WE ARE
WORKING RIGHT NOW TO ADDRESS
THAT. I DO BELIEVE THAT OVER
TIME THE VOLUME WILL, IN FACT
DROP. BUT 911, OUR DISPATCHERS,
OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER END OF
THE RADIO ARE NOT PREPARED TO
HANDLE THIS AS THEY KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE DOING FOR SURE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR
THAT. I'M ENCOURAGING ECHOING
WHAT COUNCILMEMBER PRESIDENT
NELSON HAD MENTIONED A LOT OF
THE SMASH AND GRABS, THE
VEHICLES USED IN DIFFERENT, YOU
KNOW, ACTIVITIES IN OUR CITY
AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE FOR
OFFICERS AND JUST COMMUNITY AND
PEOPLE FOR THESE VEHICLES TO BE
STOLEN AND THEY ARE COMMITTED
IN A CRIME. A SMASH AND GRAB IN
A STORE FRONT WHERE ROBBERIES
ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. HOPEFULLY
THIS CAN HELP. THANK YOU,
CAPTAIN.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE?
>> THANK YOU, CAPTAIN. I WANTED
TO MOVE TO SLIDE SEVEN. I'M
INTERESTED IN RETENTION ISSUES
RELATING TO THIS DATA. SO MY
FIRST QUESTION IS CURRENTLY MY
UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF
I'M WRONG. AND YOU ARE THE
RECIPROCAL OF THE DATA, IS THAT
CORRECT? AND IT IS STORED HERE
ON THE SERVERS FOR THE CITY OF
SEATTLE. AND WHAT WE ARE
DISCUSSING TODAY WILL BE CLOUD
BASED.
>> OKAY. SO IF WE GO TO CITY
WIDE SYSTEM AND ALL PATROL
CARS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO
UTILIZE THE THIRD PARTY VENDOR?
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OKAY. AND THAT RIGHT NOW
SXON?
>> YES, AND THEY USE MICROSOFT
AS YOUR CLOUD STORAGE.
>> AND DO YOU KNOW IF THEY WILL
BE, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE
THIRD PARTY VENDORS WILL HAVE
THE ADDITIONAL FUTURE. DO YOU
KNOW IF THEY WILL OFFER
COMMUNITY ADDITION FEATURES?
>> AND THEY DO HAVE A COMMUNITY
DASH BOARD THAT IS AVAILABLE,
THAT WE WILL PUT UP CERTAIN
STATISTICS ABOUT THE PROGRAM
AND SO FORTH ON THE PUBLIC
WEBSITE IF WE SO CHOOSE TO USE
IT.
>> OKAY. AND AS I UNDERSTAND
IT. THAT MEANS OTHER GROUPS
SUCH AS NEIGHBORHOODS,
SURVEILLANCE GROUPS AND THIRD
PARTIES, THEY COULD OFFER UP
THEIR SURVEILLANCE DATA TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT?
>> THAT IS THE FEATURE THAT
SOME OF THESE VENDORS WILL
PROVIDE AND IT IS NOT A FEATURE
THAT WE ARE ON BOARDING WITH
THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM. YOU
WILL BE HEARING IN LATER, THE
OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE PRIVATE
BUSINESSES AND PRIVATE
RESIDENCES TO SHARE INFORMATION
WITH US ELECTRONICALLY.
>> THE 90-DAY RETENTION PERIOD
ABOUT WHY THAT 90-DAY PERIOD
AND THE NUMBER OF THE OTHER
STATES HAVE 48 HOURS AND A VERY
SHORT PERIOD. BECAUSE OF THE
PUBLIC RECORDS CONCERNS, THE
LENGTHY E RETENTION PERIOD, WHY
ARE WE USING THE 90 DAYS AND
NOT AT THE SHORTER PERIOD?
>> WE VALUATED THE POTENTIAL
FOR A SHORTER PERIOD AND IT WAS
DISCUSSED FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE
AND THE ACCOUNTABILITY
PERSPECTIVE FOR HOW IT IS USED
THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO
SET BACK AT 90 DAYS. THE
INFORMATION THAT'S HOUSED IN
THE SYSTEM IS LOCKED VERY
SECURELY AND WITH THE NEW
SYSTEM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO
AUDIT THE ACCESS FAR MORE
EFFECTIVELY THAN WITHIN OUR
CURRENT SYSTEM. BUT FOR 90
DAYS, IT WAS CRITICAL FOR US
FOR NOT ONLY MAKING SURE THAT
INVESTIGATORS WILL HAVE ACCESS
TO THE USEFUL INFORMATION
THAT'S IN THERE. BUT ALSO TO
MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ARE
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MISS USES
OR OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE
WOULD HAVE THE 90-DAY RECORD OF
THAT AS WELL. IT IS ALSO WORTH
NOTING THAT SOME STATES WILL
HAVE OVER TWO YEARS, RETENTION
RULES ON THEIR DATA AS WELL.
>> OKAY. SO THE RETENTION, THAT
IS A VOLUNTARY DECISION THAT
YOU ARE MAKING FOR 90-DAY
RETENTION PERIOD? THERE IS NO
STATE LAW REQUIREMENT?
>> AND THE STATE LAW WILL SET
THE MAXIMUM, BUT NOT THE
MINIMUM.
>> I'M SORRY?
>> THEY WILL SET THE MAXIMUM,
BUT NOT THE MINIMUM.
>> OKAY.
>> AND SO WHAT IS THE STATE LAW
THAT YOU ARE, ARE YOU NOT
OPERATING UNDER THE STATE LAW?
>> NO, MA'AM. IT WILL SET THE
MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE
CAN HOLD THAT DATA, BUT IT DOES
NOT SET THAT MINIMUM. SO WE ARE
WITHIN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF
TIMES, SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE
TO THE STATE LAW.
>> OKAY, SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE
ABILITY TO DO A MUCH SHORTER
RETENTION PERIOD? THIS IS NO
LEGAL LIMIT?
>> OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION,
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR
KETTLE. I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK
ON THE QUESTION, WHICH IS HOW
DO YOU SET THE 90 DAY? IS IT
THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THUS FAR
THAT IT IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME
THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO, YOU
KNOW, SOME INVESTIGATIONS YIELD
RESULTS WITH CLOSER TO THE 90
DAYS AND THAT IS WHY YOU'RE
DOING 90 DAYS?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> OKAY.
>> AND THEN JUST IN GENERAL, I
DIDN'T SEE, AND I'M SORRY IF
YOU SPOKE ABOUT IT AND I MISSED
IT. BUT IT'S CURRENTLY IN 11
VEHICLES. HOW HAS THIS BEEN
HELPFUL TO YOU ALL? THAT IS THE
REASON WHY YOU WOULD LIKE TO
EXPAND IT TO ALL VEHICLES.
>> THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE
ABOUT THE EIVENESS OF OUR
EXISTING THING IS SPOTTY
BECAUSE THERE IS NO STANDARD
DOCUMENTATION PROCESS THAT WILL
ALLOW US TO CAPTURE THAT. I CAN
TELL YOU THAT THE 11 VEHICLES
WE HAVE OUT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
A GREAT NUMBER OF RECOVERIES,
THE STOLEN VEHICLES. THE
INFORMATION GATHERED HAS BEEN
CRITICAL TO TRYING TO LOCATE
SUSPECTS, IDENTIFYING THE
VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH THE
OTHER CRIMES. THE EXPANSION OF
THIS WE BELIEVE WILL GREATLY
INCREASE THOSE, THE
EFFECTIVENESS AS WELL.
>> CAN I CONFIRM WHAT I HEARD?
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY
NOW TO TRACK HOW MANY VEHICLES
YOU RECOVERED USING THE
TECHNOLOGY IN THOSE 11 VEHICLES
CURRENTLY? I MEAN I KNOW YOU
KNOW YOU HAVE A DATA AROUND THE
VEHICLES YOU DID RECOVER IN
GENERAL. ARE YOU SAYING YOU
CAN'T ATTACH IT TO THE 11?
>> WE CANNOT CONFIRM WHETHER OR
NOT THAT THE RECOVERY OF THE
VEHICLE HAPPENED. WHEN THE
SYSTEM WAS INITIALLY ROLLED
OUT, THERE WAS NO STANDARD
PRACTICE ABOUT HOW THAT MUST BE
DOCUMENTED. AND THE SYSTEM THAT
WE HAVE IN PLACE DOES NOT ALLOW
US TO TRACK THAT. AND THE NEW
SYSTEM WILL ALLOW US TO DO
THAT.
>> OKAY, WITH THE NEW SYSTEM,
YOU WILL BE CHECKING THIS
INFORMATION?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA. I UNDERSTAND MOORE HAS
AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION?
>> YEAH, SORRY. I JUST WANTED
TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE ON-SITE
RETENTION. IS THERE A REASON --
WHAT'S THE REASON FROM MOVING
TO A THIRD PARTY VENDOR RATHER
THAN KEEPING THAT INFORMATION
IN HOUSE?
>> WELL, ONE OF THE MAIN
REASONS IS THE CURRENT SYSTEM.
IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO KEEP
THE FLEET UP AND RUNNING OF THE
11 VEHICLES. THE SAME GOES TO
THE BACK END. IT'S A SERVER
THAT WILL RESIDE IN THE CITY.
IT'S WORKING WITH THE VENDOR
AND THE I.T. DEPARTMENT. IT
WILL REQUIRE THE MANAGEMENT BY
THE CITY I.T., BY MOVING TO THE
THIRD PARTY STORAGE THAT
MANAGEMENT OF THAT SERVER OF
THE CLOUD SYSTEM IS DONE BY THE
VENDOR. I THINK IN TERMS OF
SECURITY IS GENERALLY
CONSIDERED TO BE A MORE SECURED
ENVIRONMENT. IT HAS GONE
THROUGH THE SECURITY AND IT HAS
DONE VERY WELL AND IT IS
CONSIDERED THE VERY PROACTIVE
SECURITY EFFORTS. IT'S ONE OF
THE BETTER VENDORS THAT WE WORK
WITH.
>> IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING,
I'M SORRY, MA'AM. I
APOLOGIZE. IT IS WORTH NOTING
THAT WHEN WE WERE USING THE OLD
SYSTEM, THE CLOUD BASE
COMPUTING AND THE DATA STORAGE
HAD NOT REACHED THE MATURITY
THAT IT IS AT NOW AND THAT THE
VENDOR WE ARE USING, THEY ALSO
STORE ALL OF OUR VIDEOS AND THE
BODY WORN VIDEO AND THE DIGITAL
EVIDENCE IN THE SAME PLATFORM.
SO IT IS ABOUT AS SECURE AS WE
COULD EVER HOPE FOR.
>> OKAY, GREAT, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. I HAVE ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS.
>> I DID. I HAD ONE MORE. I'M
SO SORRY. CAPTAIN BRITT, PAGE
SEVEN. WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO
FLAG THE LICENSE PLATE FOR
INVESTIGATION? IS THAT LIKE A
JUDGE OR SPD?
>> TYPICALLY THEY ARE ENTERED
ONTO THE STATE HOT LIST, WHICH
IS THE LIST OF STOLEN VEHICLES,
SO IT WILL HAVE TO BE REPORTED
STOLEN TO ENTER ONTO THAT LIST
OR IT IS WANTED IN RELATION TO
A CRIME AND ADDED TO THE STATES
LIST. ADDITIONALLY WE WOULD
HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE A
LIST OF VEHICLES AND IF WE
WOULD HAVE A VEHICLE THAT WAS
WANTED SAY FOR A ROBBERY THAT
WE HAD NOT PUT OUT ON THE
STATEWIDE LIST YET. THAT ALL WE
KNEW IS THE VEHICLE THAT WE
COULD PUT THAT VEHICLE INTO OUR
SYSTEM, AND THAT WOULD BE
CONTROLLED BY THE
ADMINISTRATORS ONLY.
>> GOT IT. THAT WILL BE THE
STATE LIST THAT YOU ALL HAVE AS
WELL?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. ALL OF THAT
WILL BE AUDIBLE. SO WE WOULD
KNOW WHO DID IT AND HOW IT WAS.
>> GOT IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
HOLLINGSWORTH. CAPTAIN BRITT OR
MR. ZARKOWSKI OR MR. JOHNSON,
ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE IF YOU
HAVE TO INPUT. I WANTED TO ASK.
WE HAVE A SITUATION, FOR
EXAMPLE, IN NORTH QUEEN ANNE
WHERE THERE WAS A STOLEN
VEHICLE AND IT WAS DUMPED.
IT'S A QUIET PART OF DISTRICT
SEVEN. YOU CAN KIND OF
SOMETIMES FORGET YOU'RE IN A
MAJOR CITY. NO DOUBT OR REASON
WHY THE CAR WAS DUMPED THERE.
THE NEIGHBORS REALIZED IT WAS A
STOLEN VEHICLE BASED ON HOW IT
WAS PRESENTED. THEY CALLED IN
AND THERE WAS NO ABILITY TO ACT
ON IT. THEY SAID HEY, WE HAVE
THIS CAR HERE AND IT JUST
HAPPENED TO MATCH BASED ON
SOMEBODY WHO LOST THE VEHICLE
BY THEMSELVES GOING ONTO SOCIAL
MEDIA, DOING IT. ONE, IT
HIGHLIGHTS HOW IMPORTANT THE
SPD STAFFING IS IN ORDER TO
WORK THESE ISSUES BECAUSE IT
WILL GO TO THE CREDIBILITY AND
THE CONFIDENCE OF THE COMMUNITY
IN THE POLICE FORCE TO WORK
THESE ISSUES. I APPRECIATE WHAT
THEY COULD DO FOR US AND KIND
OF GOING TO THE QUESTION THAT
WAS ASKED EARLIER IS THE
ABILITY TO PROCESS. HOW WILL
THIS BE IMPACTED IN TERMS OF
THE ABILITY TO WORK THESE
ISSUES IN TERMS OF IF THERE IS
A BIG INCREASE IN VOLUME. WE
TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF
STOLEN VEHICLES, BUT WE COULD
HAVE AN INCREASE EVEN GREATER?
>> THAT WOULD FALL AND THE
OFFICERS TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT
TO HANDLE THE RECOVERY. THE
GOOD NEWS HERE, WE WOULD BE
LOGGING THE LOCATIONS TO GO IN
AND RETURN THOSE STOLEN THINGS.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY WERE
ABLE TO RECOVER THAT. IF IT
WAS, IN FACT, A STOLEN VEHICLE,
THERE IS NO REASON THAT WE
WOULD GO OUT TO RECOVER THE
VEHICLE. IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL
NEED TO SHIFT AND ADJUST TO
MAKE SURE WE COULD MEET THE
NEEDS. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS
RATHER THAN NOT KNOWING WHERE
THE STOLEN ONES ARE, WE WILL
KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. WE WILL
LOG THEIR LOCATIONS. THEN AS
TIME ADMITS BETWEEN THE SHIFTS
AND IN THE EVENING HOURS WHEN
THE CALLS GET LOWER, OFFICERS
WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO
RETURN AND RECOVER THOSE
VEHICLES TO GET THEM BACK TO
THEIR OWNERS.
>> IS THERE A WAY, BY THE WAY
IN LISTENING TO YOUR ANSWERS TO
MARK THE VEHICLE, SO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWS THAT SPD IS
AWARE OF IT AND THEY'RE
WORKING THAT? IT WILL GO TO THE
POINT WHERE THEY FEEL THESE
THINGS, THEY ARE BEING WORKED
AND IT HAS NOT JUST GONE INTO A
VACUUM? IS THERE A WAY TO SAY
YES, THIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN
DETERMINED TO BE STOLEN. IT'S
MAYBE PARTNERING THE
ENFORCEMENT. SO THE COMMUNITY
WILL KNOW THIS STOLEN VEHICLE
IS NOT JUST SITTING HERE OR THE
DAILY REMINDER OF THE CRIME
THAT'S BEEN COMMITTED AND NOT
BEEN RESOLVED YET. IS THERE A
WAY TO DO THAT?
>> WE COULD CERTAINLY EXPLORE
THOSE OPTIONS. IN A PERFECT
WORLD WHEN THE VEHICLE IS
DETERMINED TO BE STOLEN AND OUR
OFFICER CONDUCTS THE RECOVERY,
WHICH MEANS THEY STOP TO
ACTUALLY PROCESS IT THAT IT IS
EITHER A RETURN TO THE OWNER
THAT WILL COME OUT TO GET IT
FROM THE SCENE OR MOVED TO THE
TOW LOT. WHEN DONE RIGHT, THOSE
VEHICLES ARE MOVED RATHER
SWIFTLY. OUR STAFFING DOESN'T
ALWAYS ALLOW FOR THAT AND WE
COULD CERTAINLY EXPLORE THE
ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR THE
MARKING OF THE VEHICLES. BUT IN
THE BEST PRACTICE WORLD, WE
WOULD SIMPLY RESOLVE THE
VEHICLE.
>> YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT,
CAPTAIN BRITT. IT DEPOSE TO
STAFFING CHALLENGES AND THE
DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
ALSO GOES TO THE POINT, THIS IS
A PART OF THE ENVIRONMENT PIECE
THAT WILL KIND OF ADD TO THE
IDEA THAT IT IS JUST SITTING
THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE
ACTING ON THAT. TIED TO THE
ABILITY TO PROCESS IT, THE
OPERATIONS PIECE OF THIS. IT
WILL BE GREAT TO GO TO NORTH
QUEEN ANNE IN THIS PART OF
AURORA. MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO
USE THEM OVER IN DISTRICT FOUR,
WHERE WE HAVE TWO COMPETING
DEMONSTRATIONS GOING ON LIKE
THE DEMONSTRATIONS. IS THAT
SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULDN'T
NECESSARILY BE LOOKING TO USE
THEM RIGHT NOW TO CAPTURE THE
DATA SETS IN TERMS OF LICENSE
PLATES?
>> NO, SIR. THE TECHNOLOGY IS
BENEFICIAL AND ANSWERS THE
QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BY
THE PAST CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE
DEPLOYMENT. WITH 11 VEHICLES,
WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE HOW
MANY PRECINCTS OR HOW MANY CARS
WENT TO EACH PRECINCT AND HOW
AND WHEN THEY WERE DEPLOYED. IN
THE CASE OF THE SYSTEM THAT'S
BEING PROPOSED HERE, IT'S
SIMPLY THAT WHEREVER THE PATROL
CAR GOES, THEY WILL GO WITH
THEM. WE ARE NOT MAKING A
DETERMINATION OR WHEN OR HOW
THEY'RE USED. IT'S JUST THAT
SIMILAR TO THE IN-CAR VEHICLE
WHENEVER THAT PATROL CAR IS
DEPLOYED, THAT I WILL SEE THE
BODY WORN VIDEO THAT WILL COME
WITH IT.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. I MENTIONED
AURORA AND BIG CHALLENGES THAT
WE WOULD HAVE RIGHT ANNO IS SEX
TRAFFICKING. YOU KNOW, IS THIS
SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN
TERMS OF THE STOLEN VEHICLES?
WE WOULD TALK ABOUT MISSING
PERSONS. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT
COULD BE BENEFICIAL IN TERMS OF
ADDRESSING THE SAD EXAMPLE OF
AURORA?
>> CERTAINLY, SIR. THE DIRECT
CORRELATION BETWEEN THE USE OF
STOLEN VEHICLES AND THE
PROMOTING OF PROSTITUTION OR
THE WORK AS SEX TRAFFICKING.
IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE TO SAY
THAT THERE IS A CONNECTION, BUT
WE DON'T HAVE ONE DOCUMENTED
IN THIS TIME. AS THEY GO
THROUGH THE AURORA AREA, THEY
WILL BE IDENTIFYING OR
CAPTURING IMAGES. WHEN IT COMES
DOWN TO IT, IT'S FOR THE
INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES.
>> AND I NOTED YOUR POINT OF
THE OUT OF STATE LICENSES THAT
IT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THAT
POINT. WE DO SEE A LOT OF OUT
OF STATE LICENSE PLATES. THEY
SEEM TO HANG LONGER IN TERMS OF
SHIFTING OVER TO WASHINGTON
STATE. THAT WILL BE VERY
HELPFUL, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE
RESTRICTIONS, WHY THAT. MY LAST
QUESTION, TWO QUESTIONS, KIND
OF DEPOSE TO THE QUESTION, THE
DATA AND THE INVESTIGATIVE
PURPOSES. WHAT DEFINES THEM? IS
THIS THE CITY OF SEATTLE ONLY
OR THE PURPOSE FROM THAT
OUTSIDE JURISDICTION THAT'S
COMING TO SEATTLE FOR
INFORMATION?
>> WE WILL USE IT AND WITH THAT
BEING SAID THAT WE WOULD
RECEIVE THE LEGITIMATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT REQUEST FROM THE
PARTNER, CONDUCTING IN THAT. WE
WOULD HELP THEM IN ANY WAY THAT
THEY COULD. AS WHAT THEY WERE
NOTING, IT IS NOT LEGITIMATE IN
THE OTHER STATE.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. IT NEEDS TO
BE LEGITIMATE, SIR.
>> AND THEY ARE APPLICABLE.
>> CORRECT. WE WOULD NOT BE
USING THIS FOR THE REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS OR THE QUESTIONS OR THE
CUSTOMS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I UNDERSTAND. THE THIRD
PARTY VENDOR QUESTION. AND THEY
HAVE A SWEETER PRODUCTS, COMING
IN. IT IS THIS MAGICAL THING
THAT IS ACTUALLY HARDWARE. SO
THERE IS THE ACTUAL PIECES TO
IT. ANY EVICTIONS FROM THE
CROPS, THE OTHER ACTS ON THE
PROGRAMS?
>> THE DATA THAT WILL RESIDE
WITH WHAT IS GENERATED BY
SEATTLE IS OWNED BY THE CITY
AND BY SEATTLE. THEY COULD NOT
BE SHARED WITH THE OTHER AGENCY
THAT IS NOT A PART OF IT.
>> EVEN WITHIN THE CITY OF
SEATTLE OR WHATEVER. IT WILL BE
INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY OF
SEATTLE AND THE RELATED
PROGRAMS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE?
>> WELL, NOT NECESSARILY.
>> YEAH. AS WE'RE LOOKING FOR
THE CRIME CENTER IN THE FUTURE,
THE SYSTEM COULD FEED
INFORMATION TO THAT. BUT AGAIN,
IT WILL BE HOUSED, SUBJECT TO
THE SAME SYSTEMS AS THEY ARE.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT AND WE
NEED THE CLARITY ON THAT. THE
ACCOUNTABILITY, WE COULD WORK
WITH THE OIG, TO ENSURE IT'S
BEING HELD FOR THE PURPOSES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE
DONE QUITE EASILY, YOU KNOW,
WORKING WITH THE OFFICER AND
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.
>> YES. AS A PART OF THE
ORIGINAL FOR THE ANNUAL AUDIT
OF OUR USAGE AND THE STORAGE OF
THE DATA AND TECHNOLOGY. THE
TRANSITION FROM THE OLD PROGRAM
TO THE NEW SYSTEM, THEY WILL
ACTUALLY HELP US FULFILL THEIR
ANNUAL AUDIT.
>> I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
POINT, TO BE MADE PUBLIC.
SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE
SUPPORTED TO THE BEST OF THEIR
ABILITY. THANK YOU, I HAVE NO
OTHER QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS? SORRY, DO YOU HAVE
ONE? NO. WELL THANK YOU,
CAPTAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR. JOHNSON.
>> IF I MIGHT. JUST BRIEFLY
ONCE AGAIN, TAMASO JOHNSON,
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF. AS WITH
THE OTHER MATTER EARLIER ON THE
AGENDA, THAT COMMITTEE IS IN
RECEIPT OF THE CENTRAL STAFF
MEMO, PROVIDING AN ANALYSIS OF
THIS PROPOSAL IN AN EFFORT NOT
TO DUPLICATE ANYTHING THAT HAS
BEEN SAID ALREADY. I JUST
WANTED TO PROVIDE A COUPLE OF
POINTS OF EMPHASIS. REGARDING
THE ISSUE OF THE RETENTION
PERIOD. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING
THE RETENTION PERIOD IN
QUESTION HERE OF 90 DAYS IS IN
THAT RESPECT, SPD IS FOLLOWING
THE WASHINGTON SECRETARY OF
STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORD
RETENTION SCHEDULE, WHICH IS
WHERE THAT 90-DAY NUMBER COMES
FROM. BEYOND THAT, I WANTED TO
SAY ALSO IN TERMS OF THE SCOPE
FOR FOLKS NOT AWARE OF FULL
FLEET DEPLOYMENT WOULD
CONSISTENT OF APPROXIMATELY 270
MARKED PATROL CARS AND A TOTAL
OF APPROXIMATELY 360 VEHICLES
UP FROM THE CURRENT NUMBER. FOR
REFERENCE, I BELIEVE THIS WOULD
REPRESENT BY QUITE A BIT THE
LARGEST DEPLOYMENT OF THIS TYPE
OF TECHNOLOGY IN WASHINGTON
STATE TO DATE. AS WAS NOTED,
THIS PROCESS FOR THE MATERIAL
UPDATE IS SIGHTLY ABBREVIATED
FROM A USUAL SURVEILLANCE
IMPACT REPORT APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS A
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS
MATERIAL UPDATE IN THE LATE
2023. THERE WAS NOT, HOWEVER, A
COMMUNITY SURVEILLANCE WORN
GROUP ANALYSIS OR KOR
RESPONDING REPORT AS THOSE ARE
NOT REQUIRED IN THE MATERIAL
UPDATE PROCESS. BUT THE
ORIGINAL AUTHORIZUATION FOR THE
REPORT ON THIS TECHNOLOGY IN
2021 DID INCLUDE THOSE
COMPONENTS. AND THOSE PUBLIC
COMMENTS FROM THE 2023 PROCESS
ARE AVAILABLE IN THE APPENDIXES
TO THE SURVEILLANCE IMPACT
REPORT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR.
JOHNSON. COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. SORRY, I
DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE
WRAPPING UP. SO I JUST WANTED
TO BE ON THE RECORD THAT I
APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR
AMPLIFYING THE ABILITY OF OUR
LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL TO
PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I
RECOGNIZE WE ARE IN OUR POLICE
DEPARTMENT. WE ARE VERY
UNDERSTAFFED. AT THE SAME TIME,
I HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS
CONCERNS ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY.
I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT I HAVE
RECEIVED SOME REALLY HELPFUL
E-MAIL ANALYSIS FROM
WASHINGTON, PEOPLE'S PRIVACY.
AND ALSO FROM ANOTHER PERSON,
CSPS. AND THEY HAVE RAISED THE
ISSUE ABOUT RIGHT NOW IF WE ARE
TRANSFERRING TO A THIRD PARTY
VENDOR, THAT WILL RAISE THE
RISK OF BEING ABLE TO
CIRCUMVENT THE WASHINGTON FIELD
LAWS AROUND PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE
TO ACCESS THE REPRODUCTIVE AND
THE GENDER AFFIRMING CARE. AND
THIS IS A REALITY THAT WE ARE
ALREADY EXPERIENCING IN
WASHINGTON STATE. WE ARE
ALREADY LOOKING AT IDAHO, WHICH
HAS MADE IT A CRIME TO ENGAGE
IN WHAT THEY CALL ABORTION
TRAFFICKING. WE HAVE SEEN
INCREASED NUMBERS AND WOMEN
TRYING TO ACCESS BASIC
FUNDAMENTAL HEALTH CARE IN
WASHINGTON STATE. AND THIS
COUNCIL IS THE STATE VERY
PROACTIVELY PASSED SHIELD LAWS
TO MAKE SURE THAT WOMEN ARE
ENTITLED TO BASIC HEALTH CARE,
WHICH ARE OUR CONSTITUTION
SHOULD GUARANTEE AND IN WHICH
OUR SUPREME COURT DECIDED WE
ARE NOT FIRST CLASS CITIZENS.
SO I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT HOW DO WE WORK. I KNOW
THAT RIGHT NOW THE CITY IS ABLE
TO MAINTAIN THIS INFORMATION IN
SPOUSE; THEY HAVE VERY STRICT
PROTOCOLS. THEY A VERY GOOD
ABOUT FOLLOWING THOSE
PROTOCOLS. THEY ARE PROHIBITED
FROM COMPLYING FROM
INVESTIGATIONS WITHIN OUT OF
STATE. THE PROBLEM IS ONCE IT
GETS SHIFTED TO THE THIRD
PARTY, THEY WILL BE UNDER
INVESTIGATION TO RESPOND TO A
SEARCH WARRANT THAT WILL BE
ISSUED BY A COURT OF COMPETENT
JURISDICTION. AND I CANNOT
IMAGINE THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND
THEIR TIME FIGHTING THOSE
SEARCH WARRANTS. SO I DON'T
KNOW HOW WE GET AROUND THE
THIRD PARTY VENDOR PIECE EVEN
IF WE WERE TO CONTRACT DIRECTLY
WITH EXXON AND SAY AS A MATTER
OF POLICY, WE DON'T WANT THAT
INFORMATION RELEASED. IF
SOMEBODY COULD PLEASE ANSWER
THAT QUESTION TO ME. HOW DO WE
KEEP THAT VENDOR FROM
RESPONDING TO THE LEGITIMATE
SEARCH WARRANT SERVED ON THEM
BY A COURT OF JURISDICTIONS? I
NEED TO KNOW. THE OTHER
SIGNIFICANT CONCERN THAT I WILL
HAVE ABOUT THIS AND THIS WILL
RELATE TO THE RETENTION PERIOD
OF 90 DAYS, WHICH IS THAT WE
MAY BE ABLE TO LIMIT THE USES.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY RELEASE
THAT INFORMATION. THAT IS NOT A
GUARANTEE. SO WE ARE NOW
OPENING THE DOOR TO PUBLIC
RECORDS REQUEST FROM PEOPLE WHO
ARE POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD
PLACE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS
AT RISK. AND AS WELL AS
REPRODUCTIVE CARE. I AM VERY
UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS
UNTIL WE HAVE AT LEAST
ADDRESSED THE RETENTION ISSUES
UNDER THE PUBLIC ACT. I KNOW
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME
DISCUSSIONS AT THE STATE
LEGISLATURE ABOUT EXEMPTING
THIS INFORMATION FROM THE
PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. AND THAT IT
WILL BE THE IDEAL SOLUTION TO
THE SECOND ISSUE, NOT TO THE
THIRD PARTY VENDOR ISSUE. AND
THAT IS DOWN THE ROAD. WE WOULD
NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER WAYS TO
ADDRESS THE CONCERN, BUT I
WANTED TO RAISE THESE ISSUES
NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE OF
PROFOUND IMPORT TO THE
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF OUR
CITIZENS. THOSE THAT WILL COME
TO THE STATE TO EXERCISE THEIR
RIGHTS. THEIR BASIC HUMAN
RIGHTS TO CARE. THANK YOU.
>> ANY ADDITION FALL COMMENTS?
>> I HOPE NOT. OH.
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU. I WAS ACTUALLY
GOING TO SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR
TO COUNCILMEMBER MOORE, WHICH
IS IN GENERAL HOW DO WE
MITIGATE THE PRIVACY ISSUES
THAT ARE RAISED BY THIS TYPE OF
TECHNOLOGY. AND THAT IN THE
DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT, WE
HAVE HAD THOSE CAR SMASH
WINDOWS AND BUSINESSES. AND
THAT THERE ARE STOLEN VEHICLES,
AS WELL AS SOME PEDESTRIAN
SAFETY ISSUES UP AT SAND POINT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S
IMPORTANT TO THE DISTRICT THAT
I REPRESENT AND TO ME AND
FINDING TOOLS TO ALLOW THEM THE
ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THESE VERY
SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS
AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE THESE
PRIVACY CONCERNS, WHICH
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE ARTICULATED
AND I AGREE WITH. AT THE END OF
THE DAY, WE WILL WANT TO
MITIGATE FOR WHAT I CALL THE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT
I THINK ARE HELPFUL
TECHNOLOGIES. SO HOW DO WE MAKE
SURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE ARE
PLANNING FOR THE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES, PUTTING AS MUCH
LIMITATIONS ON THE ABILITY FOR
OTHERS TO USE THIS INFORMATION
IN WAYS THAT THEY ARE CLEARLY
NOT INTENDING. I WOULD, YOU
KNOW, LIKE MORE CONVERSATION
ABOUT THAT, SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA. ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS? WELL THANK YOU ALL
FOR JOINING US TODAY AND THANK
YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION ON THE
AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE
READERS, CLEARLY ON ONE HAND,
THIS IS NEEDED FOR ALL THE
REASONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AND
TO BASICALLY FURTHER OUR PUBLIC
SAFETY POSTURE IN OUR CITY TO
WORK ON THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE
RELATED TO OUR STRATEGIC
FRAMEWORK HERE ON THE SCHMIDT
TEE AND THE COUNCIL. SO I
REALLY APPRECIATE THIS TOO. THE
GOOD PIECE, THE DUE DILIGENT
PIECE WILL NEED TO BE EXTREMELY
STRONG AS IT RELATES TO THE
DATA COLLECTION AND THE USE. I
INVITE MY COLLEAGUES TO GO DEEP
ON THAT SIDE, WORK WITH CENTRAL
STAFF AND WORK WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND TO WORK
WITH THAT SIDE AS WELL AND
PRIMARILY THROUGH MR. JOHNSON.
AND TO ENSURE THAT ALL THESE
PIECES ARE ADDRESS, SO WE ARE
RIGHT SIZING THIS, SO WE DO
ESTABLISH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
GOALS WITHOUT THE UNINTEPIDDED
CONSEQUENCES THAT WERE RAISED.
AND IT IS BEING NOTED AND THAT
I HAVE AS WELL AND I HAVE THAT
MEMO RIGHT HERE FROM WASHINGTON
AND THEIR PRIVACY, SO WE ARE
AWARE OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND
THAT INFORMATION AND THAT IT IS
WITHIN, SO OF COURSE, WE
WELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
AGAIN, WE'LL CROSS THE T'S AND
DOT THE I'S ON THE TOPIC. ALL
RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I
BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE REACHED
THE END OF TODAY'S AGENDA
EARLY. IT IS IMPORTANT BUSINESS
AT OUR COMMITTEE. WE NEED THE
FULL TWO HOURS. ANY FURTHER
BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE BEFORE WE ADJOURN?
HEARING AND SEEING NO FURTHER
BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.