>>> AND GOOD MORNING. THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING
WILL COME TO ORDER. IT'S 9:34
A.M. SEPTEMBER 19th, 2024 POINT
I'M ROBERT KETTLE, CHAIR OF
THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
WILL THE COMMITTEE CLERK PLEASE
CALL THE ROLE?
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH?
>> RESIDENT. THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE IS AWAY.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON IS
ALSO A WAY. COUNCILMEMBER SAKA.
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE.
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR, THERE ARE THREE
MEMBERS PRESENT.
>> THREE MEMBERS PRESENT, TWO
EXCUSED. WE DO HAVE CORUM. IF
THERE IS NO OBJECTION THE
AGENDA WILL BE ADOPT DID.
HEARING AND SEEING NONE, THE
AGENDA IS ADOPTED. BEFORE
STARTING, I WANT TO FIRST -- ON
A LITTLE BIT OF A LIGHTER NOTE,
I WANT TO THANK DEPUTY MAYOR
BURGESS FOR ATTENDING THIS
MORNING. I'VE BEEN GETTING
REPORTS THAT PEOPLE WERE
CONFUSED, THINKING THAT HE'D
COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS
IS NOT HIM. I KNOW FOLKS GET
CONFUSED SO I JUST WANT TO
THANK DEPUTY MAYOR BURGESS FOR
BEING HERE, BEING IN THE SAME
ROOM, SO IT DISPELS THE NOTION
THAT HE HAS COME BACK TO THE
CITY COUNCIL, AS SOME WERE
THINKING YESTERDAY WAS THE OLD
TIMES, PAPER. ALSO I WANT TO
THANK THE ONE SEATTLE TEAM ON
THE RECENTLY PASSED SODA DRUG
AREAS AND AREAS OF
PROSTITUTION. IT IS AN
INCREDIBLY ONE SEATTLE EFFORT
THAT WENT OVER MONTHS AND A LOT
OF COORDINATION AND ENGAGEMENT
WITH THE COMMUNITIES BY MYSELF
AND PARTICULARLY COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE AND OTHER COLLEAGUES. SO
IMPORTANT, COORDINATION WITH
THE ELEMENTS OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS IN A GOOD
GOVERNANCE KIND OF WAY, AND I
REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT TO
GET WHERE WE WERE WITH THIS
WEEK'S VOTE. I'M ALSO VERY
APPRECIATIVE OF OUR COLLEAGUES
WITH THE THOUGHTFUL AMENDMENTS
TO HELP ROUND OUT AND MAKE
THEIR SOLUTION BETTER. THAT'S
THE GOAL HERE SO I WANT TO TAKE
AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO SAY
THANK YOU TO ALL OF THOSE
INVOLVED. I APPRECIATE IT. WE
WILL NOW OPEN THE HYBRID PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD. PUBLIC COMMENTS
SHOULD RELATE TO ITEMS ON
TODAY'S AGENDA OR WITHIN THE
PURVIEW OF THE COMMITTEE. HOW
MANY SPEAKERS ARE SIGNED UP FOR
TODAY?
>> CHAIR, WE HAVE 10 IN PERSON
AND SEVEN ONLINE, SO 17 TOTAL.
>> OKAY. EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE
ONE MINUTE. WE WILL START WITH
THE IN PERSON SPEAKERS AND THEN
GO TO REMOTE. CLERK, COULD YOU
PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS?
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
WILL BE MODERATED IN THE
FOLLOWING IN MANNER THAT IS THE
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS UP TO
60 MINUTES. SPEAKERS WILL BE
CALLED IN WHICH ORDER IN WHICH
THEY REGISTERED. SPEAKERS WILL
HEAR A TIME WHEN 10 SECONDS ARE
LEFT OF THEIR TIME. SPEAKERS
MICS WILL BE MUTED IF THEY DO
NOT AND THEIR COMMENTS WITHIN
THE ALLOTTED TIME TO ALLOW US
TO CALL NEXT SPEAKER. THE
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW
OPEN AND WILL BEGIN WITH THE
FIRST SPEAKER ON THE LIST. THE
FIRST IN-PERSON SPEAKER IS GARY
LEE, TO BE FOLLOWED BY DEATH
TO. YEAH.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING. I'M GARY LEE
AND I AM THE COCHAIR OF THE CID
PUBLIC SAFETY COUNCIL, AND I AM
IN SUPPORT OF THE CCTV PROGRAM
IN CID. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
WHOLE PROCESS WE COLLECTED OVER
750 SIGNATURES FROM BUSINESSES,
WORKERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE
CID AREA THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF
THIS PROGRAM. WE THINK IT WILL
BE A GREAT TEST AND WE HOPE
THAT IT WILL HELP TO DETER THE
CRIME. BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF
CRIME IN CID. IT'S CURRENTLY
NOT VERY SAFE AND IF WE HAVE
THE PRESENCE OF THE CAMERAS,
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO
CATCH PEOPLE, BUT ALSO WITH THE
SIGNAGE THAT SAYS HEY, YOU'RE
UNDER SURVEILLANCE, TO LET
PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY ARE UNDER
SURVEILLANCE. SO WE ARE IN
SUPPORT OF THAT. WE REALLY NEED
THAT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE DEATH -- [
INAUDIBLE ] TO BE FOLLOWED BY
PATRICK BURNS.
>> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'M
BETH. I'VE WORKED AT 46 SHOPS
AND RESTAURANTS IN CID, OVER
95% OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES ARE
FULL SUPPORT OF THE CCTV
PROJECT IN THE COMMUNITY. MORE
THAN 96% OF RESIDENTS ARE FOR
SUPPORT, TOO AND SOME OF THEM
REQUEST THE SOONER, THE BETTER.
LIKE GARY SAID, 745 SUPPORTING
SIGNATURES WITHIN A WEEK. THE
CRIME WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY IS A
DISASTER, SO IS SEATTLE. WE
BADLY NEED THE CCTV INSTALLED
IN CID SOON AND CAN'T WAIT TO
SEE THE GOOD RESULT FOR THE
DECLINE, PREVENTION OF CRIMES
WE NEED OUR GOOD LEADERS, CITY
COUNCILMEMBERS WHO CARE ABOUT
PEOPLE, TO APPROVE FOR CID
COMMUNITY AND SOONER THE PUBLIC
SAFETY FOR EVERYONE. WE ALSO
NEED MORE POLICE PATROL, TOO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. PATRICK BURNS TO
BE FOLLOWED BY CYNTHIA'S BEEF.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
PATRICK BURNS. I'M A MEMBER OF
THE FREEDOM SOCIALIST PARTY AND
I HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS ABOUT
EXTENSIVE SURVEILLANCE IN THE
SEATTLE COMMUNITY. I HAD A LONG
ORGANIZATION WITH SOME PEOPLE
SUPPORTING THIS ISSUE, AND I
UNDERSTAND -- WE REALLY BELIEVE
COMMUNITIES HAVE A RIGHT TO
SELF-DEFENSE. SO THERE'S A
REAL DILEMMA HERE AND THE
DILEMMA ALSO IS I HAVE NO TRUST
WITH THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO
THIS DAY. THE MANY ATTACKS I'VE
SEEN ARE ON FRIENDS OF MINE
WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED
BY THE POLICE. SO TO GIVE THIS
TO THE POLICE TO MONITOR, I
HAVE REAL SUSPICIONS. THE OTHER
THING IS I DON'T BELIEVE -- WE
DON'T BELIEVE IN
PUBLIC/PRIVATE ARRANGEMENTS.
THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING
THAT'S RUN BY THE CITY.
RESPONSIBLE BY THE CITY. I
CALLED FOR A VOTE BY THE
COMMUNITY, BY THE CITY'S
CITIZENS THEMSELVES TO DECIDE
WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE DONE, OR
NOT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> CYNTHIA SPACE TO BE FOLLOWED
BY RENE PETERS JR..
>> WOW. I'M CYNTHIA SPECIES.
I'VE BEEN INTACT FOR 16 YEARS,
10 OF THOSE WERE AT BIG TECH
AND THE SUPPORT PASSAGE OF THE
CCTV OR RC TV BILLS.
MUNICIPALITIES BELIEVE TECH
KNOWS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY
OF SEATTLE IS A MARKET READY TO
WRITE A BLANK CHECK TO ANY
VENDOR THAT HAS A DECENT
MARKETING TEAM. SPD ALREADY HAS
A REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER ON
PREMISE AND THIS WILL BE A
SECOND LINE ITEM BECAUSE THE
OLD SYSTEM WILL BE RETAINED FOR
INVESTIGATIONS. THE LARGEST
ASSESSMENT TO DATE ON CCTV IS A
PEER-REVIEWED META-ANALYSIS OF
66 DIFFERENT STUDIES WHICH
FOUND, QUOTE, NO SIGNIFICANT
EFFECTS WERE OBSERVED FOR
VIOLENT CRIME AND DISORDER AND
FURTHER CONCLUDES START PUBLIC
SAFETY AGENCIES COMBATING
VIOLENT CRIME PROBLEMS MAY NEED
TO CONSIDER WHETHER RESOURCES
WOULD BE BETTER ALLOCATED
TOWARD OTHER CRIME REVENGE AND
MEASURES, END POINT. THE ONLY
DATA-DRIVEN DECISION [
INAUDIBLE ] SNAKE OIL PROJECTED
COST OF 5.3 MILLION FOR THE NEW
RTC ALONE. THIS IS A WASTEFUL
BOONDOGGLE. DON'T PASS THESE
BILLS. THANK YOU.
>> RENE PETERS JR. TO BE
FOLLOWED BY MR. MICHAEL BALL,
IF I'M READING THAT CORRECT.
>> WOW, MY NAME IS RENEE AND
I'M ONE OF THE COCHAIRS FOR
THE COMMUNITY SURVEILLANCE.
WANTED TO UNDERLINE SOME OF OUR
POINTS FOR THE ASSESSMENT OF
THE COMMITTEE. 506 OF THE
WORKING GROUP MEMBERS WERE
UNSUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSALS
AND THIS REFLECTS PUBLIC
SENTIMENT, VIA COMMENTS IN MANY
COMMUNITIES THAT WE REVIEWED
THE. KEY ISSUES INCLUDE THE
IMPACTS ON CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHTS, CONCERNED ABOUT THE
RISK OF DISPARATE IMPACT ON
MINORITY COMMUNITIES ARE BEING
MET HEAD ON AS WELL AS LACK OF
SPECIFICITY IN TECHNOLOGICAL
CAPABILITIES, DATA GOVERNANCE,
THE JUSTIFICATION MEASURES AND
TIMELINES. GET A LITTLE BIT
OVERSIGHT AND STRUCTURE AND
BETTER DEFINITION. BECAUSE WE
BROADLY RECOMMEND THAT THESE
SERVERS ARE NOT GOING THROUGH
PROCESS, I STRONGLY URGE CITY
COUNCIL TO A GREAT THE REQUIRED
SPD TO RESUBMIT THESE [
INAUDIBLE ] AND STD LEADERS
SHOULD COLLABORATE ON HOW TO
ADDRESS THIS PROPERLY, AND
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AND
MORE COMMUNITY WORK. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MR. MICHAEL BELL TO BE
FOLLOWED BY WILLIE HAYWARD?
>> PRAISE GOD. PRAISE GOD. THE
FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS
THAT I THINK THE LAST MEETING
ABOUT SAFETY, I THINK THEY HAD
SOME GOOD IDEAS, AND IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION. I ALSO THINK
THAT IF WE ARE GOING IN THAT
DIRECTION WITH A SMALL POLICE
DEPARTMENT, WE NEED TO ADD SOME
OF THIS TECHNOLOGY. I DON'T
THINK THAT'S GOING TO HURT.
AND IF WE DO IT, IF WE ADD IT
ON, WE MAY SAVE A LOT OF LIVES.
THE OTHER THING I THINK WE DO,
WE SHOULD ADD SOME YOUNGER
PEOPLE. THESE YOUNG PEOPLE --
WHEN I WAS YOUNG, I WANTED TO
BE A POLICE OFFICER. BUT THINGS
HAPPENED. BUT NOW THAT I'M
OLDER, I THINK WE SHOULD MIX
THE AGES AND UPGRADE THE
TRAINING ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE
TO KILL EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AIMING
OUT TO TAKE A LIFE ALL THE
TIME? ANYWAY, THANK YOU. PRAISE
GOD AND ENJOY LIFE, EVERYBODY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WILLIE HAYWARD TO BE
FOLLOWED BY MATT OFFENBACH.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR CATTLE AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LILY
HAYWARD SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
THE MORE THAN 2500 MEMBERS OF
THE SEATTLE METRO CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE IN SUPPORT OF COUNCIL
BILL 1208 44. THE CHAMBER
SEMIANNUAL: INDEX SHOWS THAT
SINCE 2021, PUBLIC SAFETY AND
CRIME HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN A
TOP CONCERN OF YOUR
CONSTITUENTS. IT IS A PRIORITY
FOR SEATTLE EMPLOYERS, TOO,
BECAUSE IT IMPACT THEIR ABILITY
TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN PATRONS
AND WORKERS, BRING EMPLOYEES
BACK TO THE OFFICE AND OPERATE
IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.
BUT STAFFING OF SPD SWORN
OFFICERS AT THE LOWEST EMBERS
SINCE 1991 AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT NEEDS MORE TOOLS IN
THEIR TOOLBOX TO ADEQUATELY
ADDRESS CRIME IN OUR REGION.
PLEASE SUPPORT BUSINESSES AND
RESIDENTS ALONG THE CID,
DOWNTOWN AND AURORA BY PASSING
THIS LEGISLATION AND CONTINUE
TO LEVERAGE ALL RESOURCES TO
MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER. THANK
YOU.
>> WOW COUNCIL.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> MORNING. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE
REALLY BUSY THIS MONTH WITH
LOTS OF STUFF AND THEORIES THE
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORTS
THAT'S BEEN A YEAR-LONG
PROCESS IN GENERATING, THAT ARE
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PAGES.
SO I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD JUST
GIVE YOU A QUICK SUMMARY OF
WHAT'S IN THEM. SO SPD SAYS
YES, THEY WANT THIS TECHNOLOGY.
OFFICE OF CIVIL RIGHTS SAY THE
PLACEMENT OF SURVEILLANCE
TECHNOLOGY IN DISPROPORTIONATEL
Y VIP OC NEIGHBORHOODS IS
LIKELY TO WORSEN RACIAL
DISPARITIES IN THE CRIMINAL
LEGAL SYSTEM. THE COMMUNITY
SERVICE -- COMMUNITY
SURVEILLANCE WORKING GROUP WHO
YOU JUST HEARD FROM ONE OF THE
CHAIRS SAYS DEFINITIVELY THAT A
MAJORITY OF THE WORKING GROUP
IS UNSUPPORTIVE OF ANY PILOT
DEPLOYMENT OF THESE TWO
TECHNOLOGIES. PEOPLE IN SEATTLE
IN THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
PUBLIC COMMENT LETTERS HAVE
SAID ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY THAT WE
DO NOT WANT THIS TECH IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS. IN ADDITION,
THERE IS DOZENS OF TRUSTED
COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS WHO
HAVE WEIGHED IN, SUCH AS THE
RAINIER BEACH ACTION COALITION,
THE NORTHWEST IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS
PROJECT AND THE PLANNED
PARENTHOOD ALLIANCE. THEY'VE
ALL SAID THAT THEY BELIEVE THE
RISKS OF THIS TECH FAR OUTWEIGH
ANY POTENTIAL BENEFITS. THANK
YOU. HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL.
>> AND TO YOUR COMMENT, I DO
HAVE THE OCR. YOU ALSO HAVE THE
WORKING [ INAUDIBLE ] AS WELL.
IN ADDITION I ALSO HAVE PEOPLE
POWER WATCHING.
>> LAST UP FOR OUR IN PERSON
SPEAKERS ARE JAY YANA MAURA.
>> GOOD MORNING. I'M A
RESIDENT OF SEATTLE CHINATOWN,
AND ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS
AND BUSINESS OWNERS THERE, I
WANTED TO BEG YOU TO PASS THE
CCTV BILL TO GIVE US MORE
PROTECTION IN THE CHINATOWN
AREA. MANY OF THE RESIDENTS
THERE ARE ELDERLY. MANY OF THEM
DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH. MANY OF
THEM WILL NOT TESTIFY BECAUSE
THEY'RE AFRAID TO. BUT YOU
KNOW IF YOU DON'T PROSECUTE
THESE PEOPLE, THEY KEEP DOING
IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
THIS IS INCLUDING LIKE ALL THE
TAGGING YOU SEE IN CHINATOWN.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE PRIMA FACIE
EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF A CCTV
RECORDING, THE CONVICTION RATE
GOES UP PRETTY CLOSE TO 100%.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED THIS
TECHNOLOGY. OTHERWISE WE JUST
KEEP BEING VICTIMIZED BY THE
SAME PEOPLE OVER AND OVER
AGAIN, OFTEN BY VERY VIOLENT
PEOPLE THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW,
SHOOTINGS. THANK YOU.
>> FIRST UP FOR OUR REMOTE
SPEAKERS, JULIA BUCK. REMEMBER
TO PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX WHEN
YOU HEAR THE PROMPT YOU HAVE
BEEN ON MUTED.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
JULIA BUCK. I'M A RESIDENT OF
DISTRICT 6 IN SEATTLE. I
RECENTLY DID A REPORT FROM
WHOSE STREETS OUR STREETS THAT
LOOKED AT THE EFFECT OF THE
CITY'S CURRENT LEVEL OF
SURVEILLANCE ON BLACK PEOPLE IN
TERMS OF MENTAL HEALTH AND
STRESS AND DELETERIOUS HEALTH
OUTCOMES. AND OUR CITY ALREADY
HAS ENOUGH SURVEILLANCE THAT IT
CAUSES A MEASURABLE MEDICAL
IMPACT. I DON'T EXPECT THIS OF
COURSE TO SWAY THE COUNCIL, AND
IN FACT I REALLY APPRECIATE
HEARING THAT THERE ARE SO MANY
AREAS THAT ARE DANGEROUS TO THE
CITY. SOME OF THOSE I'VE BEEN
GOING TO AND DOING THINGS LIKE
GRABBING DINNER, I CERTAINLY
WANT ANYMORE. I WOULDN'T WANT
TO RISK MY SAFETY. OH, AND THE
ONE SEATTLE [ INAUDIBLE ], I
DON'T KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOUR
PRAISE OF IT, COUNCILMEMBER
SECCA, BUT I THINK IT SOUNDS
BETTER IN THE ORIGINAL GERMAN.
THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP FOR OUR REMOTE
SPEAKERS, BJ LAST.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BJ
LAST, A HOMEOWNER, AND I OPPOSE
THE EXPENSIVE AND HARMFUL
SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY OF CCTV
CAMERAS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO
POINT OUT THAT THIS COMMITTEE
IS REALLY IGNORING THE WORKING
GROUP NOT INCLUDING THEM IN ANY
PRESENTATION DURING COMMITTEE
MEETINGS. THE GOAL IS TO ASSESS
DISPARATE IMPACTS AND CIVIL
LIBERTY IMPACTS OF PROPOSED
SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND
THEIR MEMBERS WERE APPOINTED BY
THIS COUNCIL. Y'ALL APPOINTED
THEM. TO KNOW TO IGNORE THEM
BECAUSE THEY OPPOSE THESE
TECHNOLOGIES. IN FACT,
OPPOSITION HAS BEEN SO
UNANIMOUS TO THESE TECHNOLOGIES
THAT THE BEST THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE CAN DO IN THEIR MEMO TO
Y'ALL ON THIS IS SAFE THAT IT
HAS NOT OPPOSED THEM, WHICH
LET'S FACE IT, NOT OPPOSED
REALLY KIND OF IS HERE RALLYING
CRY IF THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN
DO FOR SUPPORT. I'D ALSO LIKE
TO POINT OUT SPD HAS BEEN
ONLINE IN THE PROCESS FOR THESE
TECHNOLOGIES. SPD SAID THERE
WOULD BE NO LIGHT MONITORING.
JUNE 26, SPD SAID THERE WOULD
BE LIVE MONITORING. THERE'S NO
REASON TO BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING
SPD HAS SAID DURING THE PROCESS
OR WILL SAY TODAY ABOUT THESE
TECHNOLOGIES GIVEN THEIR TRACK
RECORD DURING THIS PROCESS OF
GIVING INACCURATE AND
CONFLICTING INFORMATION AND
THEIR HISTORY OF DOING THAT
KNOWINGLY IN PRIOR TERMS.
>>> NEXT UP WE HAVE DAVID
HAYNES.
>> WOW. DAVID HAYNES, THANK
YOU. NO USE OF TECHNOLOGY.
ANYTHING THAT HELPS THE COPS
ACCURATELY PINPOINT AND VERIFY
WHO THE EVIL BAD GUYS ARE IN
THE COMMUNITY TO HELP THEM
TRESPASS AND QUESTIONED THEM
WOULD BE GREAT. BECAUSE AS IT
IS NOW, WHEN THE COPS SLOW ROLL
INTO THIRD AVENUE, ALL THE BAD
GUYS KIND OF LOOK THE OTHER WAY
OR STOP DOING WHAT THEY'RE
DOING, AND THEN THE COPS, WHEN
THEY CONTINUE ON, THE CRIMES
CONTINUE. I JUST WISH THAT THE
CCTV CAMERA TECHNOLOGY WAS MORE
SECRETIVE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO
GIVE THE BAD GUYS A HEADS UP
ABOUT WHAT'S COMING. BUT IT
DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT
WE NEED OVERTIME FOR COPS TO
ACTUALLY FIGHT CRIME AND USE
ALL THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES OF
UNDERCOVER AND HIGHER LEVELS OF
AGENCY SO THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO
A CRIME HOTSPOT IN THE BED
EDITORS TAKE AFTER THE [
INAUDIBLE ], SOMEBODY CAN
FOLLOW THEM WITHOUT THEM
KNOWING IT SO WE CAN SHUT DOWN
THE DRUG PUSHERS AND THE ONCE
AND FOR ALL, TO STOP EXEMPTING
EVIL FROM JAIL. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, DAVID. NEXT UP WE
HAVE BRETT BELSKY.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS BRETT
KOTOWSKI. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 2
AND I WORK FOR AN AGENCY THAT
PROVIDES HOUSING AND ESSENTIAL
SERVICES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE OR
WERE HOMELESS. I HEAR THAT
PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
CRIME BUT THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY
AN EFFECTIVE CRIME DETERRENT.
AND BESIDES BEING INEFFECTIVE,
IT'S REALLY CREEPING. IT'S A
BIG INVASION OF PRIVACY AND
IT'S A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY.
WHEN I'M IN AND AROUND THE
CITY THE AND WATCHED DOESN'T
ACTUALLY MAKE ME FEEL SAFER.
WHAT MAKES ME FEEL SAFER IS I
KNOW THAT I CAN RELY ON MY
COMMUNITY AND I HAVE RESOURCES
TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER.
THEREFORE THIS MONEY WOULD BE
MUCH BETTER SPENT ON HOUSING
AND FOOD PROGRAMS FOR MY
COMMUNITY OCCLUDING THE PEOPLE
THAT I WORK WITH. PLEASE VOTE [
INAUDIBLE ]
>> THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE T
SALMON.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS T
SALMON SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
THE ACLU OF WASHINGTON. WE
STRONGLY OPPOSE THE PILOT
PROGRAM. RESEARCH SHOWS THAT
BOTH TECHNOLOGIES DO NOT REDUCE
VIOLENT CRIME. INSTEAD THEY
DISPROPORTIONATELY OVER POLICE
AND HARM COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
DURING REAL-TIME CRIMES ENTER
DATA IN THE CLOUD WOULD MAKE IT
POSSIBLE FOR I.C.E. AND RED
STATES TO PROSECUTE AND RECRUIT
PEOPLE COMING TO SEATTLE FOR
GENDER AFFIRMING AND
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE
PROTECTION LIKE THE SHIELD LAW.
PLEASE NOTE THAT OFFENDERS MAY
STILL BE EQUALLY OBLIGATED TO
PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE DATA
REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S IN ITS
CONTRACT WITH SPD. WE URGE YOU
TO LISTEN TO THE OVERWHELMING
OBLIGATION TO THOSE PILOT
PROGRAMS INCLUDING FROM
COMMUNITY SURVEILLANCE WORKING
GROUP AND THEIR IMPACT
ASSESSMENT SUPPORT THAT
REFLECTS PUBLIC INTEREST AND
PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS THE MANY
COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS
FOR IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT WE HAVE COLLEEN
McALEER.
>> GOOD MORNING COUNCILMEMBERS.
COLLEEN McALEER, PRESIDENT OF
NEVILLE COMMUNITY CLUB. I'M
GOING TO READ YOU A LETTER I
GOT LAST NIGHT. I WANT YOU TO
KNOW THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
REGULARLY BETWEEN 1:00 A.M. AND
3:30 A.M. I SEE TWO CARS, BLACK
OR WHITE, TWO GUYS IN AND OUT,
CHECKING ALL THE DOORS OF EVERY
CAR, EVERY HOUSE ON THE STREET,
BREAKING WINDOWS. I CAN'T
IDENTIFY THEM. THERE OUTSIDE.
MY NEIGHBOR LISA JUST GOT HER
TRUCK STOLEN AND NEXT DAY THEY
CAME BACK AND STOLE EVERYTHING
OUT OF HER CAR AND PORCH.
EVERYONE KNOWS THERE IS NOT
ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS OF THESE
CRIMINALS DO WHAT THEY PLEASE
AND KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH
THIS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BECAUSE
IT'S HAPPENING REGULARLY EVERY
NIGHT IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? CAN WE
GET CAMERAS TO HELP PATROL AND
FIND THESE PERKS FROM 1:00 TO
6:00 A.M.? WHAT CAN BE DONE SO
WE CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT? WE
SUPPORT COUNCIL BILL ONE 294
USING THIS CAMERA TECHNOLOGY
HAS A PILOT TO DETER CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY AND IMPROVE RESPONSE
OF SPD ACTUALLY TO PROVIDE THE
PROTECTIVE TOOLS NEEDED TO
SOLVE THE CRIME TO PROTECT
VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. THANKS
SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS
AND WE URGE YOU TO PASS IT.
>> OUR PENULTIMATE SPEAKER IS
LILA B.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YEAH, GO AHEAD, LILA.
>> MY NAME IS LILA BE CALLING
FROM DISTRICT 4. I URGE YOU NOT
TO ADVANCE CV 1208 FOUR RTV OR
CCTV ORDINANCES. THE
SURVEILLANCE TECH IS COSTLY,
INEFFECTIVE AND WILL EXACERBATE
BIASED POLICING. YOU'VE
ALREADY PUSHED AUTOMATIC
LICENSE PLATE READERS WITHOUT
THREE COUNCILMEMBERS EVEN
PRESENT AND WHEN THE COMMUNITY
BROUGHT UP VERY LEGITIMATE
CONCERNS OF THIS TECHNOLOGY
BEING ABUSED BY VIGILANTES TO
GET PEOPLE SEEKING ABORTIONS
AND GENDER AFFIRMING HEALTHCARE
IN WASHINGTON STATE, DAN KETTLE
TRIED TO SAY THAT WAS
PRACTICALLY INACCURATE BECAUSE
SEATTLE IS SO FAR NORTHWEST
WHICH PROVES YOU ARE PAYING
ATTENTION TO GENDER AFFIRMING
HEALTHCARE INCLUDING OUR
NEIGHBORS IN IDAHO BUT THAT
YOU'RE ALSO SKIPPING OVER DATA
ON TECHNOLOGY AND ITS
SUBSEQUENT HARMS, NOT JUST THE
A MPR BUT CCTV NETWORKS AS
WELL. DID YOU KNOW A POLICE
CHIEF IN KANSAS USED IT TO STOP
HIS EX-GIRLFRIEND AND HER
PARTNER OVER 200 TIMES IN A
FOUR MONTH PERIOD. GIVEN THE
SEXUAL HARASSMENT CLAIMS INSIDE
SPD ITSELF ALONGSIDE THE
WELL-DOCUMENTED PREVALENCE OF
ABUSE BY POLICE OVERALL YOU CAN
IMAGINE MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS
TECHNOLOGY BEING READILY
ACCESSED. VOTE NO ON CB 1208
WITH YOUR OWN SURVEILLANCE
WORKING GROUP. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. OUR LAST SPEAKER
IS AIDEN CAROL.
>> THE IDEAS HERE, THE IDEA
THAT THERE ARE JUST GOOD AND
BAD PEOPLE, THE IDEA THAT WE
CAN TELL WHO THEY ARE WITHOUT
RE-CREATING RACISM AND THE IDEA
THAT PRISON CAN HELP WITH ANY
OF THIS -- WHICH IS ALL BEEN
REPEATEDLY DISPROVEN. THE
SPEAKER WHO MENTIONED THAT KIDS
DON'T WANT TO BE COPS ANYMORE.
THAT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE
SHOOTINGS. BESIDES THAT, POLICE
ARE DOING THEIR JOB. THAT'S
THE PROBLEM BECAUSE SO MANY OF
THE LAWS THEY ENFORCE ARE
UNETHICAL AND IF YOU REPEAT ANY
OF THAT YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR
JOB. YOU LOSE [ INAUDIBLE ] ON
TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE
COUNCILMEMBER MORSE, STAFF TOLD
US, YOUR LAWYERS TOLD YOU,
SPD'S LAWYERS TOLD YOU THEY
CAN'T USE THE [ INAUDIBLE ] TO
JUST TAKE THEIR GUNS NOW BUT
THAT'S NOT HOW THE LAW WORKS.
NOW SPD CAN USE IT. YOU NEED
ACTIVE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW
THIS WORKS IS OTHERWISE YOU ARE
JUST SHOVELING MONEY AT THE
POLICE BECAUSE IT'S A LOT MORE
MONEY BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO
MAKE ANY OF US SAFER. IT'S A
DISTRACTION TO THINGS THAT
ACTUALLY HELP. IT'S A WASTE OF
PRECIOUS RESOURCES. SAFETY IS
THE REAL PROBLEM BUT NONE OF
THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO FIX
IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY
YOU'RE DOING THINGS --
>> THANK YOU, AIDAN.
>> IT'S A GIANT DATE AND
SWITCH.
>> AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE
THAT JUST SHOWED UP. GIVE ME
ONE SECOND TO CONFIRM. YES. WE
HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER, PETER
CONDIT. PETER, GO AHEAD.
REMEMBER TO PRESS STAR SIX.
>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL
AT THE LAST MINUTE. MY NAME IS
PETER CONDIT. I LIVE IN GREEN
LAKE. ON CALLING TO OBJECT
STRONGLY TO THIS CCTV AND
NATIONAL DATABASE OF FOOTAGE TO
FBI, I.C.E., DHS AND OTHERS.
BEING SURVEILED IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT CREATES SAFETY.
IT LEADS PEOPLE TO SELF CENSOR.
LEADS TO LOSS OF CREATIVITY AND
INDIVIDUALITY, AND IT HAS BEEN
SHOWN TO HAVE VERY DISPARATE
OUTCOMES ACCORDING TO RACE AND
SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, AND I
HOPE THAT YOU WILL VOTE NO ON
THIS BUDGET QUESTION. THANK
YOU.
>> GET ONE MORE THAT JUST
SHOWED UP.
>> AND WE HAVE ONE MORE THAT
JUST SHOWED UP, I'M ARE IN THE
A. I'M SORRY. FLOOR IS YOURS.
>> HI THERE, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YEAH, GO AHEAD.
>> GOOD MORNING COUNCILMEMBERS.
MY NAME IS AROUND THE TORRES.
I'M THE CODIRECTOR OF NEVILLE.
WE SUPPORT OVER 35
COMMUNITY-BASED AND ON
>>> SPEAKING TODAY TO SHARE OUR
CONCERNS OF OUR CCTV PILOT. WE
ARE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE IMPACT OF INCREASED
SURVEILLANCE AND THE POTENTIAL
FOR ABUSE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY ON
SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
AND STALKING. I'M THINKING
ABOUT SURVIVORS WHO ARE IN
CONFIDENTIAL SHELTER IN SOME OF
THE AREAS THAT THIS WOULD BE
USED, THAT ARE SEEKING SAFETY
FROM ABUSIVE PARTNERS. I'M
THINKING ABOUT SURVIVORS WHOSE
STALKER OR ABUSER LIVES IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS
SAFETY, CONFIDENTIALITY AND
PRIVACY. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND
STALKING SURVIVORS HAVE NOT
BEEN MET IN THIS BILL.
ADDITIONALLY EXPLANATIONS ON
HOW TO MITIGATE THOSE THREATS
DON'T SEEM SUFFICIENT GIVEN
THE POTENTIAL IMPACT SO THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME TODAY.
APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE REACHED THE
END OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD. WE WILL NOW PROCEED TO
ITEMS OF BUSINESS. OUR ITEMS OF
BUSINESS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
ARE ENCOURAGED TO EITHER SUBMIT
WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
SIGN-UP CARDS AVAILABLE IF THEY
WISH, WHICH ARE AVAILABLE ON
THE PODIUM, OR EMAIL THE
COUNCIL AT COUNCIL AT
SEATTLE.GOV. WE WILL NOW MOVE
ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM OF
BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
READ ITEM ONE INTO THE RECORD?
>> CB 120839, AN ORDINANCE
RELATING TO SEATTLE'S
TECHNICAL CODES ADOPTING THE
SEATTLE FIRE CODE BY ADOPTING
CHAPTERS OF THE 2021
INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE BY
REFERENCE, AMENDING CERTAIN
CHAPTERS OF THE CODE AND ADOPT
THE NEW CHAPTERS OF THE CODE,
AMENDING SECTIONS 3.02125 AND
22.60 0.020 OF THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE, REPEALING
SECTION 1 OF ORDINANCE 126283
AND SECTIONS TWO AND THREE OF
ORDINANCE 127037, AND RATIFYING
AND CONFIRMING CERTAIN FIRE
ACTS.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU AND WELCOME
TO CHIEF MENACE, ALSO MR. B LET
AND WE HAVE JOINING US
BATTALION CHIEF HARVIN. PLEASE
INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE
RECORD.
>> KEN BROUILLETTE, TECHNICAL
CODE CO-COORDINATOR FOR SEATTLE
FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> TIM MUNNIS, I'M THE FIRE
MARSHAL.
>> ASSISTANT FIRE MARSHAL.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME
TO PUT TOGETHER THE SPECIAL
PUBLIC CB COMMITTEE MEETING FOR
US. SO A LITTLE UP DATE, THE
ANTICIPATED EFFECTIVE DATE OF
OUR 2021 SEATTLE CONSTRUCTION
CODES INCLUDING OUR SEATTLE
FIRE CODE IS NOVEMBER 15th. THE
WASHINGTON STATE CODES WENT
INTO EFFECT BACK IN MARCH 1520
24 SO WE'RE KIND OF PLAYING
CATCH-UP AT THE MOMENT. BUT
I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE HISTORY. SO OUR VERY
FIRST FIRE CODE ORDINANCE WAS
WAY BACK IN 1970. AND I'M
HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
HERE. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR
SOME HELP OVER HERE.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. SO BACK TO OUR HISTORY.
WE HAD THE GREAT FIRE ON JUNE
6th OF 1889 AND IT WAS A
SIGNIFICANT TURNING POINT IN
SEATTLE'S HISTORY. IT CHANGED
BOTH THE PHYSICAL AND POLITICAL
LANDSCAPE OF THE CITY. THE FIRE
STARTED AT 2:30 IN THE
AFTERNOON IN A PAINT AND WORK
SHOP AT FRONT AND MADISON AND
OVER THE COURSE OF 18 HOURS
SWEPT SOUTHWARD ACROSS 100
ACRES OF SEATTLE'S BUSINESS
DISTRICT AND WATERFRONT. THE
FIRE LEFT LITTLE STANDING IN
ITS WAKE, CONSUMING BUILDINGS,
DOCS AND WOODEN SIDEWALKS AT
THE TIME, AND ANYTHING ELSE
COMBUSTIBLE LOST TO THIS FIRE
ESTIMATED $20 MILLION. SO WE'VE
COME A LONG WAY. SO PART OF THE
2021 SEATTLE CONSTRUCTION CODES
IS THE SEATTLE FIRE CODE.
YESTERDAY AFTERNOON THE
COMMITTEE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS
TO MOVE OUT OF COMMITTEE TO THE
SEPTEMBER 24th COUNCIL MEETING.
THE OTHER CITY OF SEATTLE
CONSTRUCTION CODES ORDINANCE
AND THE SEATTLE FIRE CODE IS
THE ONLY CONSTRUCTION CODE
THAT'S HEARD BY THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. THEY ARE
INTERCONNECTED AND NEED TO BE
IN EFFECT AT THE SAME TIME SO
WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THE
BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE ARE
ALWAYS IN EFFECT AT THE SAME
TIME. MANY TECHNICAL CHANGES
WERE PROPOSED AT THE STATE AND
ALSO STATE AND LOCAL SEATTLE
SPECIFIC CHANGES WERE REVIEWED
BY OUR ADVISORY BOARD. THE
SEATTLE FIRE CODE ADVISORIES
BOARD HAS BEEN OVER 18 MONTHS
REVIEWING ALL OF THE CHAPTERS
IN THE 2021 SEATTLE FIRE CODE
AND THEY PROVED EACH ONE
INDIVIDUALLY. IN ADDITION, THE
SEATTLE CONSTRUCTION CODE
ADVISORY BOARD REVIEWED AND
APPROVED ITEMS THAT ARE
MIRRORED IN THE SEATTLE
BUILDING CODE THAT ORIGINATE IN
THE FIRE CODE. ALL OF THESE
MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
AND WERE ATTENDED BY THE
PUBLIC. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE
ABOUT THE SEATTLE FIRE CODE
ADVISORY BOARD. THE LAST TIME
WE WERE INVITED TO THIS
COMMITTEE WAS TO ADD TWO NEW
MEMBERS TO THE FIRE CODE
ADVISORY BOARD AND THEY ARE
SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE SEATTLE FIRE
CODE. JUST THIS WEEK WE MET TO
DISCUSS PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE
2024 WASHINGTON STATE FIRE
CODE, EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T BE
COMING IN FRONT OF THIS
COMMITTEE FOR ANOTHER THREE
YEARS. THE EARLY WORK HAS
ALREADY STARTED. THE BOARD DOES
ALL THE RESEARCH INTO THE
PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WILL
AFFECT THE CITY OF SEATTLE.
THEIR JOB IS TO DO THE LONG AND
HARD WORK OF REVIEWING THE
ENTIRE CODE REDUCED FROM THE
INTERNATIONAL CODES. THEY
REVIEW ALL THE CHANGES FROM THE
INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. ALL OF
THE WASHINGTON STATE AMENDMENTS
AND EXISTING NEW SEATTLE
AMENDMENTS. SO THERE ARE JUST A
FEW SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT
ARE KIND OF POINTS OF INTEREST.
I'D LIKE TO BRING THOSE UP.
THE FIRST IS STORAGE OF
LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES. SO WE
ALL UNDERSTAND THAT LITHIUM-ION
BATTERIES HAVE BEEN A CHALLENGE
FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT
WHAT HAS HAPPENED AT THE
WASHINGTON STATE LEVEL, THEY
HAVE ADOPTED EARLY PROVISIONS
OF THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL FIRE
CODE, WHICH IS ALREADY
PUBLISHED. THEY BROUGHT THOSE
PROVISIONS IN EARLY IN
WASHINGTON STATE. SO WITH THAT,
WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED THOSE
PROPOSALS IN THE CITY OF
SEATTLE. IN ADDITION, SOME OF
THE FIRES THAT WE HAD OUR
LIMITED TO E-BIKES AND SCOOTERS
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES IS
BATTERIES. AND SOMETIMES THE
BATTERIES HAVE NOT BEEN --
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORY LISTED
BATTERIES. SO THAT'S ONE OF
THE ITEMS THAT WE'LL BE
LOOKING AT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE
THOSE BATTERIES ARE BEING
PURCHASED AND USED ARE UL
CERTIFIED. THE OTHER ITEM IS
EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. SO WITH
THE NEW REQUIREMENTS REQUIRING
LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES IN STATE
FIRE CODE CAME AN ADDITIONAL
NEED FOR FIRE SAFETY EVACUATION
TO DEVELOP FOR THOSE BUSINESSES
STORING THOSE LARGE QUANTITIES
OF BATTERIES, AND THIS WILL
ENSURE THEY'LL AT LEAST HAVE A
PLAN WHEN THIS OCCURS. I SAY
LARGE QUANTITIES, IT'S
GENERALLY PERMITTING
REQUIREMENTS ARE LIKE 15 CUBIC
FEET, WHICH IS 255 GALLON DRUMS
OF BATTERIES, SO IT WOULD TAKE
A LARGE QUANTITY OF BATTERIES
UNTIL SOMEBODY DEVELOPED THIS
PLAN. THE OTHER BIG ITEM IS
CLOSED DRYER EXHAUST SYSTEMS SO
NFPA AS TRACK FIREFIGHTERS AND
IT'S DETERMINED LEADING CAUSES
LACK OF CLEANING. THE FIRE CODE
REQUIRES CLEANING OF DRYER
SYSTEMS. MANY APARTMENTS AND
CONDOMINIUM COMPLEXES USE A
SHARED DUCTWORK SYSTEM AND WE
WERE ABLE TO HELP PREVENT FIRES
IN THE FUTURE. EXISTING
HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS, SO THE
NATIONAL CODE PUT IN A RETROFIT
REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN
HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS SO WE TOOK
THIS PROVISION IN ADDITION TO
PRESENTING THIS TO OUR FIRE
CODE ADVISORY BOARD, WE MET
WITH THE PRESIDENT OF BOUMA AND
OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS ADOPTED
WASHINGTON STATE FIRE CODE AND
EVALUATED WHICH BUILDINGS MAY
NEED TO COMPLY WITH THIS
SECTION. THESE BUILDINGS HAVE
DO NOT HAVE A FIRE ALARM
SYSTEM, BE LIMITED ON EXITING
AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT CRITERIA
GETS KICKED INTO THE
REQUIREMENTS. ONCE WE IDENTIFY
THOSE BUILDINGS WE WILL SEND A
NOTICE OUT TO THE BUILDING
OWNERS. THEY THEN HAVE UP TO A
YEAR TO TALK WITH A COMPLIANCE
PLAN AND AGAIN IT SAYS THEY
HAVE UP TO 12 YEARS. ELECTRICAL
ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM FOR ESS.
SINCE THE 2018 FIRE CODE
ADOPTION THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
WORK DONE ON ENERGY STORAGE
SYSTEMS AND DIFFERENT
TECHNOLOGIES. THESE SYSTEMS ARE
USED AS AN ALTERNATIVE,
TRADITIONAL FUEL SYSTEMS LIKE A
DIESEL POWERED GENERATOR,
ENERGY STORAGE TECHNOLOGY
SYSTEMS, WASHINGTON STATE HAS
TRIED TO ADOPT THE MOST RECENT
NATIONAL STANDARDS TO ENSURE
SAFETY IN OPERATION IN THE
SEATTLE FIRE CODE WILL UP TO
THE STANDARDS SO NATIONALLY
THEY WILL BE WORKING ON THIS
THROUGH NFPA, THERE'S ACTUALLY
A DOCUMENTED REFERENCE HERE AT
855. IT'S BEEN UPDATED AND
EVALUATED THROUGH THE PUBLIC
PROCESS AND AGAIN IN THE STATE
OF WASHINGTON BROUGHT THOSE
REQUIREMENTS EARLY. SO A LITTLE
BIT MORE ABOUT LITHIUM-ION
ARTERIES, THIS TIME A HOT TOPIC
THE FIRE CODE IS A SPECIFIC
CHAPTER CALLED HIGH PAL STORAGE
WHICH IS NORMALLY WHEN YOU
STORE THINGS HIGHER THAN 12
FEET. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING
CALLED A HIGH HAZARD ITEM YOU
ONLY CAN STORE NO MORE THAN SIX
FEET IN HEIGHT . SO IT'S BEEN
RECENT FIRE TESTING WITH
AUTOMATIC FIRE SPRINKLER'S TO
DETERMINE IF LITHIUM-ION
BATTERIES SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED
AS A HIGH HAZARD BECAUSE OF THE
DESIGN OF THE FIRE SPRINKLER
SYSTEM TO SUPPRESS THE FIRE
USED TO BE MORE OF A ROBUST
SYSTEM AND HAVE MORE WATER. SO
LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES WILL BE
CLASSIFIED AS HIGH HAZARD ITEMS
AND THEIR STORAGE WILL BE
LIMITED UNLESS A PROPERLY
DESIGNED FIRE SPRINKLER HAS
BEEN INSTALLED. SO AGAIN, THE
SEATTLE CONSTRUCTION CODES ARE
UPDATED APPROXIMATELY EVERY
THREE YEARS. THE MOST RECENT
CODE ADOPTED BY THE STATE OF
WASHINGTON. THIS ORDINANCE
ALLOWS THE CITY OF SEATTLE TO
BE ENFORCING THOSE CODES WITH
OUR LOCAL AMENDMENTS THAT SERVE
OUR BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS OF
SEATTLE. THERE SHOULD NOT BE AN
EXPECTATION OF ANY CITY
COUNCILMEMBER TO TAKE THE TIME
AND REVIEW EVERY SINGLE
NATIONAL, STATE AND LOCAL
CHANGE OF THE FIRE CODE AND THE
OTHER SEATTLE CONSTRUCTION
CODES. THAT IS WHY THESE
ADVISORY BOARDS HAVE BEEN
CREATED AND THEY HAVE BEEN
DOING THIS WORK FOR MANY YEARS
ON PREVIOUS CODES. THEY HAVE
MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH ALL OF THE ITEMS
IN THIS ORDINANCE AND THE OTHER
CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE THAT WAS
PROVIDED YESTERDAY. WE HAVE
USED OUR ADVISORY BOARD NUMBERS
AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS LIKE
BEAUMONT AND LOCAL HOMEBUILDERS
TO HEAR ANY CONCERNS. PLEASE
BELIEVE ME THAT IF ANY OF YOUR
CONSTITUENTS HAVE ISSUES WITH A
PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE FIRE
CODE OR OTHER CONSTRUCTION
CODE, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE
AWARE OF IT IN ADVANCE AND THEY
WOULD BE HERE TODAY, ASKING FOR
RELIEF. WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU
TRUST THE PROCESS OF CODE
DEVELOPMENT AT THE NATIONAL
LEVEL, THE STATE AND LOCAL
LEVEL HERE IN SEATTLE. THE
MATERIAL IN THE ORDINANCE
PRESENTED TODAY HAS BEEN VETTED
BY NATIONAL EXPERTS IN THE
FIELD, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS,
STATE BUILDING CODE COUNCILS
AND SEATTLE'S CONSTRUCTION AND
FIRE CODE ADVISORY BOARDS, THAT
ALL OF THIS TOOK YEARS OF
MEETINGS THAT WERE OPEN TO THE
PUBLIC FOR TRANSPARENCY. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IMPORTANT
THIS BOARD IS FOR OUR CITY AND
THE SEATTLE FIRE DEPARTMENT
THAT SERVES PROUDLY THE GREAT
CITY OF SEATTLE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. BROYLES. FIRE
MARSHAL, ANYTHING TO ADD?
BATTALION CHIEF?
>> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU,
LIKE CANADA SAID, FORGETTING US
ON THE AGENDA. THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT THING MOVING FORWARD
TO ALIGN OUR CODES WITH
EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> YOU ARE THERE BACKUP JUST TO
MAKE SURE --
>> OKAY, AS ALWAYS I ALWAYS
START WITH MY VICE CHAIR. VICE
CHAIR SAKA ?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. CAN I
JUST SAY THAT YOUR EARLIER
COMMENTS THAT THE UNCANNY
RESEMBLANCE BETWEEN YOU AND THE
DEPUTY MAYOR, THAT'S TRUE. YOU
DO HAVE A DOPPELGÄNGER IN THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE BETWEEN OUR
DISTINGUISHED LEADER IN THE
CITY, PAST AND PRESENT, WHO IS
HERE AND WILL BE TALKING WITH
US LATER TODAY. IT'S EARLY IN
THE MORNING. OKAY. WELL , BACK
TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ISSUE AT
HAND. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR
BEING HERE THIS MORNING. THIS
IS REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION
AND TOPIC. I WOULD JUST BE
CURIOUS. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BY
LAW, SEATTLE IS REQUIRED TO
ADOPT THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE --
LIKE WHATEVER THE INTERNATIONAL
FIRE CODE, SO THAT IS THE
BASELINE AND REGARDLESS OF
WHETHER WE FORMALLY ADOPTED OR
NOT, THAT IS THE STANDARD. WE
ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO THAT
AND THEN SEATTLE, EVERY
JURISDICTION INCLUDING SEATTLE
CAN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND
AMEND FURTHER, CONSISTENT OF
COURSE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL
FIRE CODE, BUT WE CAN ADD OUR
OWN AMENDMENTS, RIGHT? AND I
THINK THAT'S COLLECTIVELY WHAT
WE ARE CONSIDERING HERE TODAY.
BUT ONE THING THAT IS UNCLEAR
TO ME IS -- AND THANK YOU FOR
DESCRIBING SOME OF THOSE
HIGH-LEVEL CHANGES, THE DELTA
HERE ARE THE ONE THING THAT
ISN'T CLEAR TO ME, WHICH OF
THOSE AMENDMENTS -- WHICH OF
THOSE CHANGES ARE SEATTLE
SPECIFIC? SO WE TALKED ABOUT
THE LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES
STORAGE REQUIREMENTS AND A
NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. WHICH
OF THE PROPOSED NEW CHANGES ARE
SEATTLE SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS?
>> HIGH LEVEL ON THE SLIDESHOW.
ALL OF THEM ARE WASHINGTON
STATE AMENDMENTS, LIKE YOU
SAID, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND
WASHINGTON STATE WHICH WE BRING
INTO SEATTLE. THE ONLY ONE
LISTED WOULD BE WITH REGARDS TO
THE BATTERIES FROM E-BIKES, THE
SCOOTERS THAT NEED TO BE LISTED
PER UNDERWRITERS LABORATORY.
THAT IS THE ONLY LOCAL SEATTLE
ORDINANCE OR PART OF THE
ORDINANCE THAT IS SEATTLE
SPECIFIC. THAT'S NOT IN THE
STATE AND DID NOT GO THROUGH
THE STATE CODE PROCESS. THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WE BROUGHT
FORWARD NATIONALLY. THE CITY OF
NEW YORK DID IT AND WE DECIDED
IT WAS BEST FOR IN THE CITY OF
SEATTLE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE
THAT SOMEBODY IS SELLING THESE
BATTERIES, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN
UL LISTED. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT
JUST PROVIDING AN EDUCATIONAL
CAMPAIGN TO BE BUSINESSES SO WE
GO OUT AND DO INSPECTIONS.
WE'LL PROVIDE SOME LITERATURE
AT THEIR BUSINESSES AND JUST
SAY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU
GUYS ARE SELLING BATTERIES THAT
HAVE BEEN UL LISTED, SO NOT A
THIRD-PARTY BATTERY THAT
HASN'T GONE THROUGH THE
TESTING PROCESS AND THOSE TYPES
OF ISSUES WITH OVERHEATING.
>> THANK YOU. I GUESS AS PART
OF THAT NEW REQUIREMENT, SOUNDS
LIKE YOU'VE ENGAGED WITH THE
COMPANIES, THE OPERATORS OF
THESE VARIOUS E-BIKES OR
WHATEVER THEY ARE. WHAT OTHER
KIND OF STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT
AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, S.FOR
EXAMPLE?
>> WE DID NOT REACH OUT TO
AS.FOR THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WAS BROUGHT IN FOR OUR
FIRE CODE ADVISORY BOARD.
>> SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THESE
NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR STORAGE,
THOSE ARE IMPOSED ON POWERED
MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES. THOSE
NEW REQUIREMENTS ARE POSED ON
THE COMPANIES?
>> YOUR BULLET POINT --
>> I'M RUNNING FROM THE
SUMMARY AND FISCAL NOTE WHICH I
THINK YOU REPAIRED --
>> YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
REFERRING TO.
>> YOU TALK ABOUT THE BATTERIES
ON E MOBILITY BIKES. THAT'S
WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING. THE
ACCUMULATION OF BATTERIES FOR
PERMITTING, THAT'S A STATEWIDE
AMENDMENT BUT THE SPECIFIC ONE
REGARDING UL BATTERIES THAT ARE
UL LISTED, THAT'S A SEATTLE
SPECIFIC.
>> WHAT IF -- WHAT IS THE
ANTICIPATED IMPACT ON ANY OF
THESE NEW CHANGES ON ELECTRIC
VEHICLES IN OUR CITY? PERSONAL
TRUCKS, BUSES?
>> THERE'S NOTHING PROPOSED
THAT WOULD AFFECT THAT.
>> AND OUT OF ALL THESE NEW
SUITE OF PROPOSED CHANGES, WHAT
HAVE YOU SEEN SO FAR AS SEEMS
TO BE THE MOST, TO THE EXTENT
THERE IS, MOST CONTENTIOUS OR
MOST I GUESS TROUBLING THING
FOR PEOPLE TO SWALLOW,
GARNERING A LOT OF ANXIETY AND
MIXED FEELINGS, AND HOW ARE YOU
THINKING ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE,
SUPPORTING PEOPLE AS THEY
TRANSITION INTO COMPLIANCE?
>> WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT
FEEDBACK. WE DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING THAT'S BEING
PROPOSED, HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO
OUR ATTENTION, THAT'S CAUSED
ANYBODY ANY ISSUES. THAT'S
GOOD. I MEAN THAT'S PART OF
THE ENTIRE CODE DEVELOPMENT
PROCESS IS IT STARTS NATIONALLY
IN THE PUBLIC COMES THERE TO
MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD. THAN
IT COMES TO THE STATE LEVEL,
THEY MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD.
LISTEN, WE HAVEN'T HAD
ANYTHING. THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT
CODEVELOPMENT YEAR FOR US FOR
2021 CODE. NOT SURE THAT'S
GOING TO BE THE SAME FOR THE
24th OR THE 27 THAT WE ARE ALSO
WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW
THE '21 IS NICE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO
FURTHER QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR . I
ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS SO THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE, AND YOUR
PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU, MR.
CHAIR.
>> JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
CURIOUS WHY THE THREE-YEAR,
LIKELY '24 IS OUT, CAN YOU
EXPLAIN THE THREE-YEAR CYCLE?
BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE ARE
SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD, OKAY,
WE'RE DOING THE '21, IT'S
'24. THE '24 CAME OUT. CAN
YOU JUST EXPLAIN FOR THE
PUBLIC?
>> THE CODE DEVELOPMENT CYCLE
STARTS AT THE INTERNATIONAL
CODE COUNCIL AND THEY'VE
CHANGED THEIR PROCESS A LITTLE
BIT BUT IT'S BASICALLY 18
MONTHS TO TWO YEAR CYCLE TO
DEVELOP A CODE. SO RIGHT NOW WE
ARE IN THE '27 CODE
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS NATIONWIDE
SO WE REALIZE IT'S 2024 RIGHT
NOW, GOING TO THE CODE
DEVELOPMENT HEARINGS, GETTING
REVIEWED, PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO
MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THEM.
SO WE ARE DEVELOPING AGAIN THE
27 CODE IN 2024. THE '24 CODE
WAS DEVELOPED BACK IN '21 AND
'22. THAT RIGHT NOW IS BEING
DEVELOPED IN THE STATE SO
THERE'S A THREE-YEAR PROCESS
BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG TO GO
THROUGH ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND
THE CODE CHANGE PROPOSALS AND
PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE
NATIONALLY. AND THEN IT COMES
ULTIMATELY TO THE CODE
CORRELATION OF CORRELATING ALL
THESE DIFFERENT BOOKS TOGETHER
AND THE ACTUAL PRINTING OF
THEM. THAT'S WHY IT TAKES THAT
YEAR TIME PERIOD TO ACTUALLY
DEVELOP THIS SET OF
CONSTRUCTION CODES AND WHY WE
ARE HERE, WE ARE NOW WITH JUST
ADOPTING THE 2021 CODE VERSUS
THE 2024 CODE IS THAT WE HAD A
HOLDING PATTERN WITH COVID AND
THAT KIND OF HELD THINGS UP,
AND SO WE DIDN'T -- WE WERE
SOMEWHAT READY TO COME TO THE
COUNCIL LAST YEAR BUT THAT GOT
HELD UP FOR OTHER REASONS. SO
YEAH, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT
THE 24 CODE BUT RIGHT NOW THE
STATE IS NOT DONE WITH THE 24
CODE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE AT
THIS THREE-YEAR CYCLE RIGHT
NOW. THAT'S HOW IT'S LAID
OUT. THE 24 WASHINGTON STATE
CODES ARE JUST STARTING. THEIR
PROPOSALS ARE ACTUALLY DUE
TODAY, SO ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE
A CODE CHANGE PROPOSAL TO THE
24 INTERNATIONAL CODE SERIES TO
THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, YOU
HAVE TO GET YOUR PROPOSAL IN
TODAY TO THE STATE BUILDING
CODE COUNCIL, AND IF YOU DON'T,
YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK. SO WE WILL
HAVE PROPOSALS THAT WILL BE
GOING THERE. THEY ARE BEING
REVIEWED BY OUR SEATTLE FIRE
CODE ADVISORY BOARD AND THE TWO
CHIEFS NEXT TO ME WILL BE
TAKING A LOOK AT US PRIOR TO
TALKING ABOUT THEM SO I HOPE
YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.
>> IF THEY MISSED THE DEADLINE
TODAY, FROM SEATTLE, THEY CAN
ENGAGE THE FIRE CODE ADVISORY
BOARD AND SEATTLE CAN HAVE OUR
OPPORTUNITY.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. WE
MISS OUT IN WASHINGTON. WE
STILL HAVE OUR LOCAL AMENDMENTS
WE DO IN SEATTLE.
>> ALSO I RECOGNIZE AND
APPRECIATE YOUR REFERENCE TO
PREPAREDNESS. IT'S AN OFTEN
UNDER THOUGHT ABOUT,
UNDERVALUED ELEMENT OF PUBLIC
SAFETY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I ALSO NOTED YOUR POINT ABOUT
THE CLOTHES DRYER. MINE IS
CLEAN AND RELATIVELY NEW AND I
LIKE TO SAY, WELL DONE IN TERMS
OF GETTING IT OUT. BUT THAT
BRINGS UP A QUESTION OF LIKE
PUBLIC AWARENESS, LIKE THIS IS
AN ISSUE. HOW DO WE GET IT OUT
THERE? HOW DO WE GET THE
SEATTLE TIMES OR OTHER
PUBLICATIONS TO SAY, HEY, THIS
IS AN ISSUE. BE MINDFUL AND BE
CLEAR.
>> DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN
DO. WE HAVE OUR BUSINESS
SERVICES TEAM. WE HAVE OUR WEB
PAGE AND THAT'S FACING -- WE
CAN ASK THE CHIEF OFFICERS TO
REACH OUT TO OUR PUBLIC
EDUCATION DIVISION AND WITHOUT
SOME OTHER EDUCATIONAL TYPE
MATERIALS THEY HAVE THEIR
CONNECTIONS WITH THE MEDIA. SO
MAYBE MEDIA PICK UP ON THE
STORY AND PRESENT IT.
>> IT WILL BE OUR BEST TO DO SO
IN THIS ONE ELEMENT OF THAT.
THE LAST QUESTION IS RELATED TO
THE HIGH-RISE SECTION. AS YOU
KNOW IN DISTRICT 7 BUT ALSO IN
DISTRICT 1 OF PIONEER SQUARE,
THERE IS A BIG PUSH TO MOVE
FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
IN FACT I TALKED TO A DEVELOPER
THIS WEEK WHO'S GOT AN IDEA.
HE'S LOOKING TO PRESS FORWARD
ON ONE. BUT SHOWS, BY THE WAY,
I REACHED OUT TO COMMUNITY ON A
WHOLE BUNCH OF AREAS ON THE
NEXT AGENDA ITEM. BUT IS THERE
ANYTHING RELATED TO THE
COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL THAT
YOU NEED TO BE ENGAGED IN
RELATED TO THE HIGH-RISE? IS
THERE ANY UNIQUE PIECES TO IT?
>> PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONCERN
IS WHEN YOU'RE CONVERTING
BUSINESS TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE
YOU CHANGE THE OCCUPANCY
CLASSIFICATION, YOU GO INTO A
BUILDING AND THERE GOING TO BE
SLEEPING. THE MOST IMPORTANT
PART IS THAT WE PREACH FIRE
SPRINKLERS PER GO THOSE
BUILDINGS WILL NEED TO HAVE
FIRE SPRINKLERS WHEN THEY
CHANGE THEIR OCCUPANCY
CLASSIFICATION , BUSINESS,
RESIDENTIAL, NATIONAL, STATE
AND LOCAL FIRE BUILDING CODES
REQUIRE SPRINKLERS IN THOSE
TYPES OF EDUCATIONAL
OCCUPANCIES AND THAT'S ONE AND
TWO IS THE FIRE ALARM
REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THERE
IS THAT EARLY NOTIFICATION
ABOUT PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE
BUILDINGS AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL
GET OUT SAFELY. THE SPRINKLER
SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO
EXTINGUISH THE FIRE AND CHECK
OUR OPERATIONS GET THERE.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU
AND GOING BACK TO MY EARLIER
POINT ABOUT EMERGENCY
PREPAREDNESS WHEN THEY GO
THROUGH THIS TRANSITION, THEY
ENSURE THAT IT'S READY -- SO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VICE
CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THAT OFTEN HAPPENS, VICE
CHAIR GETS ANOTHER BITE AT THE
APPLE.
>> ONE FINAL QUESTION. AND I
TOTALLY RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S
NOT DIRECTLY WITHIN YOUR
PURVIEW, BUT JUST CURIOUS, YOUR
BROADER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW
THESE VARIOUS INTERNATIONAL
STANDARDS AND KIND OF WORK
THEIR WAY THROUGH, IN THIS CASE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT. ON YOUR SLIDE
FOUR THEIR WHICH TALKS ABOUT
THE 2021 SEATTLE CONSTRUCTION
CODES AND WHAT WE ARE AT ISSUE
HERE TODAY FOR US IS THE 2021
SEATTLE FIRE CODE. WHERE DOES
THE ACCESSIBILITY CODE AND
STANDARD FALL WITHIN ANY OF
THIS?
>> I'M NOT THE TECHNICAL
EXPERT ON THAT SO I DON'T DEAL
WITH ACCESSIBILITY CODE. SORRY
I CAN'T HELP YOU WITH THAT.
>> FAIR ENOUGH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ANY ADDITIONAL LAST COMMENTS
? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY
APPRECIATE. THIS IS A VERY
IMPORTANT PROCESS. IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT. IT'S GOOD
GOVERNANCE. IT'S ABOUT MAKING
SURE OUR PEOPLE ARE SAFE AND I
RECOGNIZE THE TIMELINES THAT
YOU BRING UP. WITH THAT, AND NO
FURTHER QUESTIONS, I MOVE THAT
THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS
PASSAGE OF COUNCIL BILL 120839.
IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> VICE CHAIR, THAT IS MOVED
AND SECONDED TO RECOMMEND
PASSAGE OF THE BILL. ANY FINAL
COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, SIMON,
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
RULE ON THE COMMUNITY
RECLAMATION TO PASS COUNCIL
BILL 120839?
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH.
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA ?
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE.
>> AYE.
>> THERE ARE THREE IN FAVOR
ZERO OPPOSED.
>> MOTION CARRIES AND COUNCIL
PASS COUNCIL BILL 120839 WILL
BE SENT TO THE SEPTEMBER 24th
NEXT TUESDAY'S CITY COUNCIL
MEETING. THANK YOU .
>> I DO HAVE ONE LAST THING.
FIRST APPRECIATE YOU MOVING IT
FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND THEN,
PLEASE, I WOULD JUST PLEASE --
TALK TO YOUR OTHER COUNCIL
MEMBERS ABOUT THE OTHER
CONSTRUCTION CODE AND HOW
IMPORTANT THAT THEY ALL COME
TOGETHER AND ALL HAS TO GET A.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU.
>> I THINK YOU. MY CLERK, MY
POLICY DIRECTOR, THE OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF THEY
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THAT
THEY CAN TRACK YOU DOWN.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. WITH THAT WE WILL NOW
MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND AND THIRD
ITEMS OF BUSINESS. WILL THE
CLERK PLEASE READ ITEMS TWO AND
THREE INTO THE RECORD?
>> NUMBER TWO, COUNCIL BILL
120844, AN ORDINANCE RELATING
TO SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY
IMPLEMENTATION AUTHORIZING
APPROVAL OF USES AND ACCEPTING
THE 2024 SURVEILLANCE IMPACT
REPORT AND 2024 EXECUTIVE
OVERVIEW FOR THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT'S USE OF
CLOSED-CIRCUIT TELEVISION
CAMERA SYSTEMS, AMENDING
ORDINANCE 126955, WHICH ADOPTED
THE 2024 BUDGET, AND LIFTING A
PROVISO. ITEM 3, COUNCIL BILL
120845, AN ORDINANCE RELATING
TO SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY
IMPLEMENTATION AND AUTHORIZING
APPROVAL OF USES AND ACCEPTING
THE 2024 SURVEILLANCE IMPACT
REPORT AND 2024 EXECUTIVE
OVERVIEW FOR THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT'S USE OF REAL-TIME
CRIMES UNDER SOFTWARE.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK, AND THANK
YOU DEPUTY MAYOR BURGESS FOR
JOINING US THIS MORNING. MR.
MAXEY, SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, AND ALSO PAT BRITZ
AND FINALLY MR. ZUKOWSKI. AND
FINALLY FROM OUR OWN CENTRAL
STAFF, MR. JOHNSON. THANK YOU
ALL FOR COMING THIS MORNING TO
TALK ABOUT THIS VERY IMPORTANT,
ACTUALLY BILLS, TWO. SO IF YOU
INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE
RECORD AND MAKE YOUR
PRESENTATION.
>> GOOD MORNING. I'M DEPUTY
MAYOR TIM BURGESS. THANK YOU
FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
THE TECHNOLOGY -ASSISTED CRIME
PREVENTION PILOT TO YOU THIS
MORNING. IF YOU COULD BRING THE
SLIDES UP, PLEASE. GREAT. AND
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PILOT
PROJECT IS TO ADDRESS GUN
VIOLENCE, HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND
PERSISTENT FELONY CRIME WHERE
IT IS CONCENTRATED THAT
SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS
IN THE CITY. IT'S OUR BELIEF
AND OUR RESEARCH SUPPORTS THIS,
THAT THESE TECHNOLOGIES WILL
HELP REDUCE CRIME, IMPROVE
EVIDENCE COLLECTION,
STRENGTHENING CASES FOR
PROSECUTION, LEAD TO SAFER
NEIGHBORHOODS AT A TIME WHEN
OUR POLICE STAFFING LEVELS ARE
AT HISTORIC LOW LEVELS. NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED AN
ANALYSIS OF PILOT CRIME IN THE
CITY, AND PARTICULARLY GUN
VIOLENCE BETWEEN JANUARY 1st
2023 AND SEPTEMBER 8th OF THIS
YEAR. THESE MAPS REVEAL , IN
THESE HEAT MAPS OF WHERE THAT
VIOLENCE IS CONCENTRATED. NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS TABLE LOOKS
AT GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY
HISTORICALLY FROM 2012 THROUGH
THIS YEAR. THE 2024 COLUMN IS
THROUGH AUGUST 29th ONLY. IT
SHOWS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 499
GUN VIOLENCE INCIDENTS IN THE
CITY THIS YEAR. I JUST LOOKED
AT THE REPORT THROUGH SEPTEMBER
12th, SO A COUPLE MORE WEEKS,
WE ARE NOW AT 526 POINT SADLY,
WE ARE ON PACE TO EXCEED 2023.
UCB SURGE THAT BEGAN IN 2020,
CONTINUED THROUGH 2021, 2022
AND 23, AND SADLY THAT IS
CONTINUING IN OUR CITY TODAY.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT WHEN THESE
TECHNOLOGIES ARE USED
APPROPRIATELY, THEY -- EXCUSE
ME, WITH OTHER POLICE
INTERVENTIONS LIKE DEDICATED
PATROLS OR ENVIRONMENTAL
ENHANCEMENTS, OR BETTER
LIGHTING, TAKING CARE OF
OVERGROWN VEGETATION, FREQUENT
STREET AND SIDEWALK CLEANING,
STREET ACCLAMATION'S, THEY CAN
HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT IN
REDUCING VIOLENT CRIME AND
PROPERTY CRIME. THE MAYOR'S
LETTER TO YOU FROM SEPTEMBER
12th SIGHTS SOME OF THAT
RESEARCH AND DOCUMENTS THAT FOR
YOU. IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT AS
IMPORTANT AS POLICE ACTIONS
ARE, THEY ALONE ARE NOT
SUFFICIENT. THE CITY SPENDS
OVER $100 MILLION EACH YEAR ON
NONPOLICE CRIME PREVENTION AND
REDUCTION EFFORTS, INCLUDING
EARLY LIFE INTERVENTIONS TO
GIVE KIDS THE STRONG START THEY
DESERVE. COMMUNITY-BASED PEER
LED VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION AND
REDUCTION EFFORTS, CRIME VICTIM
SUPPORTS, RETALIATION REDUCTION
EFFORTS, DIVERSION FROM THE
CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM AND
REENTRY PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO
REDUCE RECIDIVISM. APPROACH TO
PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIME IN
PARTICULAR IS THIS HOLISTIC
APPROACH THAT INVOLVES
MULTIFACETED APPROACH TO CRIME
CONTROL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE TECHNOLOGY PROJECT IS
FOLLOWING SOME VERY IMPORTANT
GUIDING PRINCIPLES. FIRST, CCTV
CAMERAS WILL ONLY MONITOR
PUBLIC LEASES LIKE SIDEWALKS,
STREETS, PARKS, ET CETERA.
THERE WILL BE SIGNS POSTED THAT
VIDEO RECORDING IS IN PROGRESS.
RECORDINGS WILL BE KEPT FOR UP
TO 30 DAYS AND THEN ERASED
UNLESS IT CONTAINS EVIDENCE OF
A CRIME AND THEN THE VIDEO IS
TRANSFERRED TO THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT'S DIGITAL EVIDENCE
LOCKERS. FACE RECOGNITION
TECHNOLOGIES WILL NOT BE USED.
SPD WILL NOT COOPERATE IN
CRIMINAL OR CIVIL ENFORCEMENT
OF LAWS RELATED TO IMMIGRATION,
REPRODUCTIVE, OR GENDER
AFFIRMING HEALTHCARE. THIS IS
CONSISTENT WITH CITY
ORDINANCES, CITY LAW, AND STATE
LAW. THE PILOT WILL BE
RESEARCH-BASED AND DATA-DRIVEN.
THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY HAS
RETAINED ACADEMIC SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERTS WHO WILL ASSIST
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE
TECHNOLOGIES AND WILL ALSO
CONDUCT AN EFFECTIVENESS
EVALUATION. THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT WILL PUBLISH A
PUBLIC FACING DASHBOARD THAT
REPORTS ON THE USE OF THESE
TECHNOLOGIES, WHAT IS BEING
RECORDED, WHAT POLICE ACTIONS
HAVE OCCURRED, SUCH AS ARRESTS
OR INVESTIGATIVE STOPS,
VEHICLES RECOVERED, GUNS
RECOVERED, ET CETERA. AND
FINALLY, THERE WILL BE AN
EXTENSIVE AUDIT LOG FOR ACCESS
AND USE THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED
AND BE FULLY AVAILABLE TO THE
OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL
AT ANY TIME, SO THAT EVERY USE
OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS RECORDED
AND MAINTAINED THE, THAT
DATABASE IS MAINTAINED. GOING
TO TURN NOW TO CAPTAIN BRITT TO
TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC TECH.
>> CAPTAIN JIM BRITT WITH THE
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR
TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION. THE
TWO TECHNOLOGIES WE ARE
SPEAKING ABOUT THE DAY, IF WE
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, ARE THE
CLOSED-CIRCUIT TV CAMERA
SYSTEMS AND THE REAL-TIME
CRIMES UNDER SOFTWARE THAT WE
ARE SEEKING TO IMPLEMENT. THE
CLOSED CIRCUIT TV CAMERA
SYSTEMS AS DEPUTY MAYOR
DESCRIBED WILL BE DEPLOYED IN
PUBLIC AREAS, FACE IN PUBLIC
AREAS ONLY, AND WE SPOKE ABOUT
THE POTENTIAL USAGE OF THAT
FOOTAGE. THE SECOND TECHNOLOGY
IS THE REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER,
WHICH IS INTENDED TO BASICALLY
MAKE SOME ORDER OUT OF THE
NOISE THAT CAN COME FROM SO
MANY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS COMING
TO A SINGLE LOCATION. SO IT
HELPS US ORGANIZE THOSE FEEDS
TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO
OPERATIONALIZE OUR USAGE OF IT.
BASED ON THE HEAT MAPS THAT
WERE SHOWN EARLY ON, THE THREE
PILOT LOCATIONS WHERE WE
ATTEMPT TO DEPLOY THESE IS
WHERE CRIME IS CURRENTLY
CONCENTRATED. THOSE THREE AREAS
INCLUDE AURORA AVENUE NORTH AND
THE NORTH SEATTLE AREA,
CHINATOWN INTERNATIONAL
DISTRICT, WHICH WILL INCLUDE
LITTLE SAIGON, AND THE THIRD
AVENUE CORRIDOR IN THE DOWNTOWN
AREA. AS YOU SAW ON THOSE MAPS,
MANY OF THOSE AREAS ARE SHOWING
DEEP RED COLORS FOR BOTH GUN
VIOLENCE AND OTHER VIOLENT
CRIME. SWITCH TO THE NEXT
SLIDE. THANK YOU. THIS IS ALL A
PART OF OUR EFFORTS TO DO MORE
WITH LESS. AS DEPUTY MAYOR
BURGESS MENTIONED, WE ARE
FACING HISTORICAL LOWS IN OUR
STAFFING AND IN ORDER TO WORK
THROUGH THOSE WE HAVE TO RELY
ON OTHER RESOURCES THAT CAN
HELP US BE MORE EFFICIENT. SO
THE MODEL WE'RE USING, A
CONCEPT CALLED PRECISION
POLICING AND IT'S OUR EFFORTS
TO CREATE SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS.
PRECISION POLICING FOR MY NEEDS
OR FOR MY DEFINITIONS HAS FIVE
PARTS TO IT. THE FIRST IS TO
RESPOND QUICKLY USING REAL-TIME
CRIMES UNDER SOFTWARE AND THE
VIDEOCAMERA FIELDS FEEDS THAT
ARE AVAILABLE. WE CAN CONSIDER
HAVING RESPONDED BEFORE WE ARE
EVEN UNSEEN, WHICH MEANS WE CAN
BE GETTING REAL INFORMATION TO
THE RESPONDING OFFICERS, WHICH
WILL ALLOW THEM TO GET TO THE
ACTUAL LOCATION OF AN INCIDENT
FASTER RATHER THAN GOING TO
WEAR THE SUSPECT WAS. WE CAN GO
TO WHERE THE SUSPECT IS AND WE
CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THAT
WORK. INVESTIGATE THOROUGHLY IS
THE SECOND PART. THIS IS GOING
TO HELP US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
ON A SCENE RATHER THAN RELYING
ON OFTEN TIMES SKEPTICAL
WITNESS INFORMATION. WE CAN
ACTUALLY LOOK AT FOOTAGE OF
EVENTS AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED ERGO THE THIRD PIECE
IS IDENTIFYING RECTALLY, NOT
JUST OFFENDERS ALSO VICTIMS AND
MRS., MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW
EXACTLY WHO WE ARE GOING AFTER,
RATHER THAN HAVING TO STOP A
PERSON WHO MIGHT MATCH THE
DESCRIPTION OF A SUSPECT IN A
SCENE. WE CAN GET A MORE
ACCURATE DESCRIPTION AND KNOW
EXACTLY WHO WE ARE GOING AFTER,
AS WELL, THUS BEING MORE
PRECISE IN MAKING SURE WE ARE
STOPPING THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
HAVING BETTER INFORMATION IS
GOING TO HELP US EFFECT SAFER
ARRESTS, SO WE KNOW WHAT'S
GOING ON BEFORE WE ENTER.
HAVING BETTER INFORMATION LEADS
TO BETTER AND MORE DESIRABLE
OUTCOMES FOR EVERYBODY
INVOLVED, SO WE CAN BE MORE
DELIBERATIVE IN OUR ENTRIES
INTO LOCATIONS OR OUR CONTACTS
WITH PEOPLE. AND THE LAST PIECE
IS PROSECUTING SUCCESSFULLY,
WHICH WILL INCLUDE RELYING ON
THIS EVIDENTIARY INFORMATION
WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PRESENT
TO JURIES AND PROSECUTORS AND
JUDGES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE A WHOLE PICTURE OF WHAT
OCCURRED AND DIVIDE BETTER
INFORMATION TO THOSE THAT ARE
CONSIDERING CHARGES FOR A
PERSON. LAST SLIDE, PLEASE. A
BIG PIECE OF THIS -- BECAUSE
THIS IS A PILOT, WE NEED TO
MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF THIS. AS
DEPUTY MAYOR MENTIONED , THE
OIG HAS ACADEMIC SUBJECT
EXPERTS TO STUDY THE
EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE
TECHNOLOGIES. THEY'LL BE
WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
PERFORMANCE ANALYTICS AND
RESEARCH UNIT, CONDUCTING
SCIENTIFICALLY BASED RESEARCH
TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
OBJECTIVE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW
WELL THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BEING
USED AND HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS
FOR OUR GOALS. SPECIFIC
OUTCOMES THAT WE ARE GOING TO
MEASURE ARE GOING TO INCLUDE
REPORTING CRIME RATES AND
TRENDS IN THE GEOGRAPHIC ZONES.
THE POLICE ACTIONS IN THOSE
AREAS INCLUDING ARRESTS, TERRY
STOPS, CITATIONS, RECOVERING
VEHICLES AND GUNS, CLIMATE
CRIME CLEARANCE RATES AND THE
COMMUNITY PERCEPTIONS, WHICH IS
AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS, AS
WELL. THE TRANSPARENCY ASPECT
OF THIS IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.
WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC
REPORTING ON HOW THIS IS USED.
THE PUBLIC REPORTING BY A
PUBLIC DASHBOARD, WE WILL MAKE
SURE THAT IT'S UPDATED
FREQUENTLY AND REPORT ON THE
USAGE OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES TO
MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS THE
AWARENESS AND CONFIDENCE TO
KNOW THAT THEY ARE BEING WELL
SERVED. AND UNLESS DEPUTY MAYOR
BURGESS HAS ANYTHING ELSE WE
CAN OPEN IT FOR QUESTIONS.
>> GOOD MORNING, TAMASO
JOHNSON. COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF.
JUST GOING TO FOLLOW-UP THE
EXECUTIVE PRESENTATION WITH A
BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE CENTRAL
STAFF MEMO ON THESE PIECES OF
LEGISLATION THAT IS POSTED ON
THE AGENDA, IF ANY MEMBERS OF
THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD LIKE
TO LOOK AT THAT. THE ONLY
THINGS I WOULD SAY IN ADDITION
TO WHAT'S BEEN SAID ALREADY IS
THE REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER
SOFTWARE THAT WE OFFER RICE BY
ONE OF THESE ORDINANCES, AS WAS
SAID, IT GOES IN A VARIETY OF
DATA SOURCES IN BOTH
TECHNOLOGIES THAT HAVE ALREADY
BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNCIL
FOR SPD, SUCH AS AUTOMATIC
LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION TECH
KNOWLEDGE HE, BODY WORN CAMERA
AND IN CAR VIDEO, AND IF
APPROVED, IT WOULD ALSO
INCORPORATE THE CCTV PILOT
PROJECT . JUST BY GOING ON
BACKGROUND, WE ARE HERE TODAY,
LOOKING AT THESE ORDINANCES,
BECAUSE THE SURVEILLANCE, CITY
OF SEATTLE SURVEILLANCE
ORDINANCE REQUIRES PROACTIVE
COUNCIL APPROVAL OF NEW
ACQUISITION OF SURVEILLANCE
TECHNOLOGIES AS WELL AS
RETROACTIVE APPROVAL OF
SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES THAT
WERE USED PRIOR TO THE PASSAGE
OF THE ORDINANCE. THERE WERE
CIVIL LIBERTIES AND POTENTIAL
DISPARATE IMPACT ANALYSIS
INCLUDING IN THE DOCUMENT AND
IN THAT DOCUMENT THERE ARE
DESCRIBED THE ANTICIPATED
IMPACTS THAT SPD IS
ANTICIPATING AND THEIR
MITIGATION EFFORTS. IN ADDITION
TO THAT, THERE WAS A RACIAL
EQUITY TOOLKIT PERFORMED
SEPARATELY BY THE SEATTLE
OFFICE OF CIVIL RIGHTS. THE SIR
MATERIALS ALSO INCLUDE, AS
YOU'VE HEARD MENTIONED
EARLIER, THE COMMUNITY
SURVEILLANCE WORKING GROUP
RECOMMENDATIONS AND ANALYSIS ON
THESE ISSUES AS WELL AS THE
CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OPERATOR
RESPONSE TO THOSE ANALYSES AND
THERE ARE QUITE VOLUMINOUS
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE.
THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT HELD
IN THE WINTER AND SPRING OF
THIS YEAR, I THINK IN EXCESS OF
1000 PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE
RECEIVED AS PART OF THAT
PROCESS THROUGH BOTH TWO IN
PERSON MEETINGS AS WELL AS
ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT. TAKEN
TOGETHER, THESE BILLS WOULD
AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTIVE
TECHNOLOGY ASSISTED CRIME
PREVENTION PILOT PROJECT,
COUNCIL BILL 120845 WOULD
APPROVE AND ACCEPT THE
REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER
SOFTWARE PACKAGE AND 120844
WOULD ACCEPT THE CCTV
TECHNOLOGY. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO NOTE SINCE WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT THESE AS A
PACKAGE, THEY ARE SEPARATE
PIECES OF LEGISLATION. THE
EXECUTIVE HAS STATED THAT THE
IMPLEMENTATION, THE EFFECTIVE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CCTV
PILOT IS DEPENDENT ON ALSO
HAVING THE REAL-TIME CRIMES
CENTER SOFTWARE SINCE IT'S AN
IMPORTANT ANALYSIS TOOL FOR THE
CAMERAS. BRIEFLY ON THE FISCAL
IMPACT, THERE WERE $1.5 MILLION
OF FUNDS APPROVED LAST YEAR IN
THE 2024 BUDGET FOR THE CRIME
PREVENTION PILOT. THE EXECUTIVE
NOTES THAT THIS -- THESE COSTS
MAY INCREASE, POTENTIALLY.
THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL
ASSOCIATED PERSONNEL COSTS
WHICH ARE NOT DETERMINABLE AT
THIS TIME AND WILL BE KNOWN AS
THE PLAN MOVES INTO
IMPLEMENTATION. OF THAT $1.5
MILLION ALLOCATED IN 2024, $1.1
MILLION WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE
REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER AND
$400,000 WAS ORIGINALLY
ALLOCATED TO THE DAG LS.
FOLLOWING THE ADOPTION OF THAT
BUDGET AND PRIOR TO THE
TRANSMISSION OF THESE APPROVAL
ORDINANCES, THE GUNSHOT
DETECTION SYSTEM WAS WITHDRAWN
FROM THE PILOT AND THE
EXECUTIVE. THERE IS A PROVISO
THAT WAS PUT ON THE 2024
DOLLARS, WHICH SPECIFIES A USE
OF THOSE DOLLARS AND ALSO
INCLUDES A REQUEST THAT THE
EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF CIVIL
RIGHTS AND OIG CO. PREPARE A
RACIAL EQUITY TOOLKIT. THE
ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR
CCTV LISTS THIS PROVISO. I WILL
NOTE WHERE JUST PROCESS
CONSIDERATIONS, THE RACIAL
EQUITY TOOLKIT, ONE WAS
COMPLETED BY SPD EXECUTIVE WITH
COLLABORATION OF OIG. A
SEPARATE RACIAL EQUITY TOOLKIT
WAS CREATED BY OCR WHICH IS
AVAILABLE IN THE SURVEILLANCE
REPORT PACKAGE. I'M JUST GOING
TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE A FEW
POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE
CENTRAL STAFF MEMO IDENTIFIES.
NUMBER ONE RELATES TO THE
TIMELINE OF THE PILOT. NEITHER
ORDINANCE IMPOSES A SET END
DATE ON THE PILOT PROJECT. THE
REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER
SOFTWARE APPROVAL ORDINANCE
NOTES CONTINUOUS DEPLOYMENT SO
THE EFFECT OF APPROVING THIS
LEGISLATION WOULD BE JUST THAT,
TO APPROVE CONTINUOUS USE OF
THE REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER
SOFTWARE. THE CCTV APPROVAL
ORDINANCE NOTES THAT COUNCIL
APPROVAL WILL BE EFFECTIVE FOR
THE DURATION OF THE PILOT BUT
DOES NOT SPECIFY SET END DATE
WITHIN THE SIR FOR CCTV PILOT.
THERE WERE SPECIFIC MILESTONES
IDENTIFIED WITH INITIAL
ANALYSIS AT THE END OF YEAR ONE
AND FINAL ANALYSIS AT THE END
OF YEAR TWO, THOUGH THE
AUTHORIZATION DOES NOT [
INAUDIBLE ] IN YEAR TWO. ONE
MORE POLICY CONSIDERATION
THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE
POTENTIAL FOR THE REAL-TIME
CRIMES CENTER SOFTWARE FOR
PRIVATE CAMERAS NOT OWNED BY
SPD. JUST FLAG THIS BECAUSE THE
UNIVERSE OF SPD OWNED CAMERAS
IS DISCREETLY KNOWABLE AND
INCLUDES, AS I SAID BEFORE,
BODY WORN VIDEO AND THE
POTENTIAL IN CAR AS WELL AS THE
CCTV CAMERAS IF APPROVED. MANY
OF THE REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER
SOFTWARE PACKAGES SUCH AS IS
BEING CONSIDERED HERE ALSO HAVE
THE ABILITY TO INTEGRATE
PRIVATE AUDIO FEEDS SUCH AS
FROM SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AT
PRIVATE IS MRS. SPD HAS STATED
THAT THEY PLAN TO USE THIS
TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION FOR
PRIVATE CAMERAS PRIMARILY TO
ALLOW FOR BUSINESSES TO OPT IN,
EITHER TO NOTIFY, TO REGISTER,
ESSENTIALLY TO NOTIFY SPD THAT
THEY HAVE CAMERAS AND SPD CAN
REACH OUT TO THEM IF THERE IS
AN INCIDENT IN THE LOCATION,
ESSENTIALLY PROCESS
OPTIMIZATION OF WORK THAT IS
ALREADY BEING DONE BY SPD,
CANVASSING WHEN THERE ARE
INCIDENTS. PRIVATE CCTV CAMERAS
CAPTURE SO THAT WOULD CREATE
PROCESS EFFICIENCIES CONCERNING
SOME SOFTWARE, REAL-TIME CRIMES
CENTER SOFTWARE ALSO PUTS THE
AVAILABILITY FOR PRIVATE
CAMERAS TO PROACTIVELY OPT IN
TO BE VIEWED LIVE, WHICH WOULD
REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STEPS
INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF
ON-SITE HARDWARE. THIRDLY, AS
WAS MENTIONED IN SOME OF THE
PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE HAVE
BEEN, SIMILAR TO AUTOMATIC
LICENSE PLATE READER CAMERAS
THAT YOU ALREADY AUTHORIZED,
THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS RAISED
RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL USE OF
THAT DATA BY OUTSIDE ACTORS FOR
THE PURPOSE OF HAVING TO
ENFORCE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW
OR ENFORCE STATE LAW IN OTHER
STATES CRIMINALIZING ACCESS TO
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH. AS THE
EXECUTIVE HAS NOTED, PROVISION
OF THAT DATA, SHARING OF THAT
INFORMATION BY STATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IS
EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN BY BOTH
WASHINGTON STATE LAW AND
SEATTLE CITY POLICY. SOME OF
THE CONCERNS, HOWEVER, ARE
CENTERED AROUND THE ATTEMPTS OF
OUT-OF-STATE ACTORS THROUGH
COURT ORDER OR OTHER MEANS TO
TRY TO COMPEL DATA DISCLOSURE
DIRECTLY FROM THE THIRD-PARTY
VENDOR SINCE THE TECHNOLOGIES
BEING PROPOSED HERE WOULD
UTILIZE CLOUD-BASED STORAGE
STORED AT OFF-SITE SERVERS
OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF
WASHINGTON. THERE ARE SOME WAYS
THAT THE COUNCIL COULD ATTEMPT
TO FURTHER MITIGATE THAT
THROUGH CONTRACT REVISIONS,
REQUESTING CONTRACT REVISIONS
IN THE CONTRACTS OBTAINED FOR
THIS TECHNOLOGY. I WILL NOTE
THAT SUCH AN AMENDMENT WAS
BROUGHT ON THE AUTOMATIC
LICENSE CAMERA PROVISION THIS
YEAR AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE --
AS CUSTOM I TURNED TO VICE
CHAIR SAKA.
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK
YOU ALL FOR THIS PRESENTATION
TODAY. APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT
IT . SAME WITH THE PREVIEW I
GOT A FEW WEEKS AGO. BUT JUST
WOULD BE CURIOUS TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER
JURISDICTIONS ARE CURRENTLY
USING AND DEPLOYING THIS
TECHNOLOGY.
>> REAL-TIME CRIMES HUNTERS ARE
IN USE ACROSS MANY OF THE
CITIES IN AMERICA ALREADY,
SPECIFICALLY LOS ANGELES, NEW
YORK, DENVER, SAN FRANCISCO
RECENTLY STARTED UP ON THE SAME
PROCESS WE ARE ON RIGHT NOW.
WASHINGTON, D.C. DETROIT HAS
HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH THEIR
REAL-TIME CRIMES CENTER, WITH
THEIR PROJECT GREENLIGHT
PROGRAM . SO MANY OF THE MAJOR
CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE
ALREADY ESTABLISHED SIMILAR
PROCESSES.
>> EVEN SAN FRANCISCO IS ON THE
SAME PATH TO ADOPTING REAL-TIME
CRIMES HUNTERS. HOW ABOUT CCTV?
>> SAME THING, SIR. A REAL-TIME
CRIMES CENTER WITHOUT CAMERA
FEEDS ISN'T REALLY A REAL-TIME
CRIMES CENTER. I KNOW IT'S
BEEN DISCUSSED THAT SEATTLE PD
HAS HAD A REAL-TIME CRIMES
UNDER IN A REALITY WE BUILT THE
ROOM AND NEVER REALLY TURNED ON
ANY TECHNOLOGY. SOME OF YOU
HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE
THAT PHYSICAL SPACE AND IT'S A
VERY IMPRESSIVE SPACE BUT IT'S
NOT RECEIVING ANY INFORMATION.
SO IN ORDER FOR A REAL-TIME
CRIMES CENTER TO TRULY BE
REAL-TIME IT HAS TO HAVE
REAL-TIME CAMERA FEEDS SO
ANYWHERE YOU SEE REAL-TIME
CRIMES HUNTERS YOU ARE SEEING
THE USE OF CAMERAS, AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU. SO I'M A
COUNCILMEMBER TODAY BUT I'M
ALSO A HAS-BEEN TECHNOLOGY
ATTORNEY. HILL AN ATTORNEY. HAS
BEEN FORMER TECHNOLOGY ATTORNEY
AND SO WHEN CONSIDERING ANY USE
OR DEPLOYMENT OF ANY TECHNOLOGY
OR INNOVATION, I'VE LEARNED
THAT THERE IS A COUPLE KEY
CONSIDERATIONS. WILL BROADLY,
CATEGORICALLY, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT COLLECTION. WHAT
INFORMATION IS BEING COLLECTED?
HOW IS IT BEING USED, INCLUDING
RETENTION BEST ACTRESSES, AND
THEN THE SHARING OF THAT
INFORMATION. AND SO THE
SHARING, THAT THIRD BIT, THE
SHARING OR POTENTIAL OR RISK
AROUND SHARING IS WHAT I KIND
OF VIEW AS THE MOST NOTABLE
OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE
SURE, WE FIND THAT, IF THEY
EMPLOY THIS IT'S DONE
RESPONSIBLY. AND I UNDERSTAND,
AND WE LEARNED LAST TIME WHEN
WE CONSIDERED THE AUTOMATIC
LICENSE PLATE READER
TECHNOLOGY, SOME OF THE
POTENTIAL CONCERNS AROUND
SHARING BUT INCLUDING WITH
OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, ET
CETERA. AS WAS NOTED, NOT ONLY
IN THE CENTRAL STAFF MEMO BUT
OTHER I GUESS FORMATS, OTHER
AREAS, WE'VE LEARNED THAT
THERE IS WASHINGTON STATE LAW
ON POINT AND SEATTLE CITY CODE
TO ADDRESS THAT, AND ALSO WITH
RESPECT TO A LPR THERE WAS AN
AMENDMENT TO I THINK ADDRESS
THAT AS WELL. TOMASSO, CAN YOU
TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
THAT AMENDMENT AND JUST REMIND
EVERYONE WHAT THAT DID AND HOW
IT OPERATES?
>> THE AMENDMENT, WHICH WAS
ADOPTED TO THE AUTOMATIC
LICENSE PLATE READER, A LPR
ORDINANCE ESSENTIALLY REQUESTED
THAT THE CITY OF SEATTLE,
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
INCLUDE SPECIFIC TERMS IN THE
CONTRACT WITH THE VENDOR FOR
THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT REQUIRED
THE VENDOR TO SHARE INFORMATION
WITH THE CITY OF SEATTLE IF
THERE'S AN ATTEMPT TO ACCESS
DATA DIRECTLY FROM THE VENDOR.
I BELIEVE IT ALSO HAD SOME
REVISIONS REGARDING WHAT LEVEL
OF LEGAL DEFENSE THE CITY WAS
INSTRUCTING THE VENDOR TO
UNDERTAKE TO PROTECT CITY OF
SEATTLE OWNED DATA. THERE MAY
HAVE BEEN ONE OTHER REQUEST FOR
CONTRACT REVISION AND THEN
FINALLY THE AMENDMENT ALSO
REQUIRES SPD TO SHARE WITH THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE A COPY
OF THAT CONTRACT ONCE IT'S
FINALIZED BUT MY UNDERSTANDING
THEN IS THAT CONTRACT HASN'T
BEEN FINALIZED AND EXECUTED YET
SO THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT IN
RECEIPT OF THAT AND THAT WAS
THE AMENDMENT WITH RESPECT TO A
LPR.
>> HAVING NEGOTIATED AND
DRAFTED SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR
PROVISIONS BEFORE -- LIKE THE
FIRST COMPONENT OF THAT, THE
FIRST OBLIGATION TO SHARE AND
DISCLOSE WITH A THIRD PARTY HAS
REQUESTED ACCESS, THAT'S
GENERALLY A STANDARD COMMERCIAL
TERM SO I'D BE SURPRISED IF
THAT WASN'T ALREADY IN THERE.
BUT ANYWAYS, LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING THE FINAL EXECUTED FORM
OF THAT. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY
AN ANALOGOUS CONSTRUCT AS IT
RELATES TO WHAT IS BEFORE US
HERE TODAY. CAN I -- I GUESS
DEPUTY MAYOR, WOULD YOU MIND
TALKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
THE INTENDED DEPLOYMENT AND
IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY AND
PLANS OF THIS TECHNOLOGY? I
UNDERSTAND THERE IS THREE JUST
GENERAL HOTSPOTS. THE GOAL IS
TO ADDRESS GUN VIOLENCE, MAJOR
CRIMES, AMONG OTHER THINGS, BUT
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE
ABOUT THE -- AGAIN, ANTICIPATED
DEPLOYMENT AND ANTICIPATED
STRATEGY?
>> SO THE THREE AREAS WERE
CHOSEN BASED ON ANALYSIS OF
CRIME, GUN VIOLENCE,
TRAFFICKING AND PERSISTENT
FELONY CRIME THAT'S
CONCENTRATED AT SPECIFIC
PLACES. AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED
THOSE THREE AREAS. WE ALSO HAVE
MAPS OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE ARE
HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU IF
YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE.
ASSUMING APPROVAL BY THE
COUNCIL TO PROCEED AND THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL GO AHEAD
AND EXECUTE CONTRACTS WITH THE
VENDOR, AND BEGIN THE PROCESS
OF INSTALLATION, TALK ABOUT THE
INSTALLATION OF THE CCTV
BECAUSE THAT INVOLVES MULTIPLE
CITY DEPARTMENTS, NOT JUST SPD.
>> NICK OSOWSKI, PROJECT
MANAGER AT SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. WE ARE WORKING WITH
SEATTLE CITY LIGHT AS WELL AS
THE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION AND THEIR ARE
ALSO SOME KING COUNTY METRO
INFRASTRUCTURE, STREET
INFRASTRUCTURE, LIGHT POLES,
PROBABLY POLES THAT WILL BE
HAVING THESE CAMERAS ON SO WE
ARE ENGAGED IN SOME EARLY
DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND
LEARNING THE PERMITTING PROCESS
AND SO FORTH. THAT'S GOING TO
TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. IT
IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS FOR
PERMITTING, FOR ATTACHING
THINGS TO POLES AND GETTING
THEM POWERED UP. SO WE HOPE
ONCE WE HAVE A CONTRACT SIGNED
THAT YOU KNOW IN TWO OR THREE
MONTHS WE CAN START TO DEPLOY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER
DEPENDENCIES THAT MIGHT PUSH
THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT BUT
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AIMING
TOWARDS.
>> SURE . YOU WOULD LIKE TO
BEGIN INSTALLATION BEFORE THE
END OF THE YEAR. I'D SAY ONE
MORE THING ABOUT WHERE THESE
ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED. DURING
THE YEAR OF PUBLIC COMMENT THAT
WE'VE HAD AN ENGAGEMENT WITH
COMMUNITY GROUPS, LOTS OF FOLKS
HAVE COME FORWARD AND SAID WE
WANT CAMERAS HERE IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD, OR WE WANT THEM
OVER HERE IN OUR BUSINESS
DISTRICT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE
HAVE BEEN PRETTY VIGOROUS IN
ANALYZING EXACTLY WHERE THESE
SHOULD GO SO THAT WE ARE
PLACING THEM WHERE WE THINK
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE BEST
RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN TERMS
OF DETERRING AND PREVENTING
CRIME OR HELPING TO HOLD
OFFENDERS ACCOUNTABLE. THERE'S
NO DESIRE TO BE LONDON AND HAVE
CAMERAS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY.
THIS IS A VERY TARGETED
APPROACH TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC
CRIMES AT SPECIFIC PLACES WHERE
WE THINK THESE TECHNOLOGIES
WILL HELP.
>> OR CHINA, CCP, WHERE THEY
NOT ONLY HAVE EVERYWHERE,
CAMERAS EVERYWHERE, BUT HAVE
FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY
ATTACHED TO IT, SO THEY ARE NOT
ONLY LOOKING AT PEOPLE WITH
CRIMINAL RECORDS, BUT
EVERYBODY, AND TRACK YOUR
SOCIAL STATUS AND STANDING. WE
DON'T WANT TO BE THAT, SO
OKAY. FINAL QUESTION ALONG
THESE LINES, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU
WILL, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE
INITIAL DEPLOYMENT AND THE
INITIAL TRIAL PHASE OR WHATEVER
IT IS, PILATE DEPLOYMENT OF
THIS TECHNOLOGY. BUT AS YOU
START TO -- OTHER COMMUNITIES
AROUND THE CITY ARE DESPERATELY
ASKING FOR NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND
NEW TOOLS, MINDFUL OF THE VERY
LIMITED OFFICER STAFFING
CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE FACING.
OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE
CITY, NOT JUST THESE THREE
SPOTTS WHERE THE DATA MOST
CLOSELY SUPPORTS
IMPLEMENTATION, IF THAT'S WHAT
THIS BODY SO CHOOSES TO
AUTHORIZE. SO HOW ARE YOU
THINKING ABOUT THAT NEXT WAVE
OF POTENTIAL DEPLOYMENT IN
OTHER AREAS ACROSS THE CITY TO
REDUCE CRIME AND LAWLESSNESS,
AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE
EXAMPLES, AN AREA IN MY
DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT IS
HARBOR AVENUE. THEY ARE
CLAMORING FOR NEW TOOLS AND
TECHNOLOGIES TO ADDRESS AND
BETTER SHUT DOWN SOME OF THE
PROBLEM BEHAVIOR THERE, WE ARE
SEEING THERE, WITH PEOPLE,
STARTING WITH STREET RACING BUT
THAT DEVOLVES OFTEN INTO MORE
DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR AND
SHOOTINGS AND IT'S OUT OF HAND
THERE SO I THINK IDEALLY THEY
WOULD LOVE -- AND I CONTINUE TO
STRONGLY SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE
FOR SPEED ENFORCEMENT CAMERAS
AS THE NEXT TECHNOLOGICAL
IMPLEMENTATION TO HELP ADDRESS
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT
THEY ARE EXPERIENCING THERE.
BUT SHORT OF THAT, SURE, SOME
WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS EMPLOYED
THERE . SO MY POINT IS -- MY
QUESTION IS, HOW ARE YOU
THINKING ABOUT EXPANSION TO
OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE IS
STRONG COMMUNITY DEMAND AND/OR
DATA TO SUPPORT?
>> SO I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES
HERE IS WHAT WILL WE LEARN IN
THIS INITIAL PILOT THAT WE DO.
THE ACADEMIC LITERATURE ON USE
OF THESE CAMERAS AND REAL-TIME
CRIME CENTERS IS VERY CLEAR
THAT IT IS MOST EFFECTIVE WHEN
IT'S INTEGRATED WITH OTHER
ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO REDUCE
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, NOT JUST
POLICE ACTIONS BUT OTHER
EFFORTS LIKE I DESCRIBED
EARLIER IN MY TESTIMONY. SO
WE'LL LEARN FROM THIS
EXPERIMENT AND THEN WE WILL
KNOW HOW WE MIGHT USE IT IN THE
FUTURE. THESE CAMERAS ALSO
COULD BE MOVED SO IF WE SOLVE A
PROBLEM IN A PARTICULAR AREA,
AND WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER A
PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE CRIME
IS NOT CONTINUING OR NOT
RETURNING, THEN CAMERAS CAN BE
PUT ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. BUT
I THINK THAT WILL COME LATER IN
THE PROCESS, WHEN WE'VE DONE
THIS FOR A WHILE, BECAUSE THIS
WILL BE THE CITY'S FIRST
EXPERIMENT WITH THIS
TECHNOLOGY.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR BURGESS. NO
FURTHER QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR,
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VICE CHAIR.
>> I'D JUST LIKE ONE QUESTION.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
COUNCILMEMBER SAKA HAD ASKED
THE QUESTION ABOUT GETTING THE
CAMERAS UP AND RUNNING. HOW
LONG BEFORE WE START SEEING THE
DATA? LIKE THE DASHBOARD, WHICH
I THINK IS A BIG PIECE TO THE
TRANSPARENCY PIECE ONLINE, FOR
PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE
DATA BEING COLLECTED.
>> THE DASHBOARD WILL COME
ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME WE
START USING THE TECHNOLOGY. THE
FIRST EVALUATION WILL BE AT THE
END OF THE FIRST YEAR, SO THE
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HAVE
BEEN RETAINED FOR THE END OF
THE FIRST YEAR AND AGAIN AT THE
END OF THE SECOND YEAR. BUT
WE'VE RETAINED THESE FOLKS NOT
JUST TO DO THE EVALUATION BUT
TO DO HANDHOLDING THROUGH THE
PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTATION , IN
PARTICULAR RESEARCHERS THAT
WE'VE RETAINED HAVE DONE THIS
IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER
JURISDICTIONS. SO WE HOPE TO
LEARN FROM THAT EXPERIENCE AS
WELL BUT THE DASHBOARD WHICH
WILL REPORT THE USE OF THESE
TECHNOLOGIES WILL HAPPEN AT THE
SAME TIME.
>> THANK YOU DEPUTY MAYOR. VICE
CHAIR?
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
HOLLINGSWORTH. FOR ME, IT'S
INTERESTING. I THINK THIS IS A
GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT
WHAT WE COULD'VE DONE. THE
LICENSE PLATE READER, I THINK
GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WAS
VERY EDUCATIONAL, IT'S
DOWNLOADED TO REAL-TIME CRIME
CENTER AND CCTV. TO BRING IN
THOSE SEATTLE KIND OF VALUES,
SEATTLE APPROACH TO THIS, YOUR
POINT ABOUT THE FACE RECORD
NATION BRINGING IN MORE THAN WE
WOULD LIKE SO I THINK THAT'S
ONE POINT TO MAKE, HOW WE CAN
BUILD ON THE LESSONS LEARNED
GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR
AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE
READERS. AS WE LOOK TO BRING IN
THOSE PIECES. BUT ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT
PROCESS IS GERMANE HERE AS WELL
AND I JUST WANT TO BRING UP
FIRST, IS THE CONSENT DECREE. I
BRING THIS UP BECAUSE EARLIER
THIS WEEK THE CONSENT DECREE
WAS KIND OF USED AS A LUNCHEON,
IF YOU WILL, AND IT WAS ALMOST
LIKE IT WAS SET IN 2012. WE ARE
IN 2024. THERE'S BEEN A GREAT
AMOUNT OF WORK, REFORM PIECES.
THERE HAS BEEN A GENERATIONAL
SHIFT IN TERMS OF STAFFING. WE
ARE LOW BUT ON TOP OF THAT
THERE IS A GENERATIONAL SHIFT
AND ALL THESE PIECES HAVE COME
IN THROUGH THIS IN TERMS OF THE
TRAINING BEFORE THE BADGE, ALL
THESE DIFFERENT PIECES. SO I'M
ANTICIPATING THE ARGUMENTS
AGAINST IT AND THE CONSENT
DECREE WHICH WAS USED EARLIER
THIS WEEK AS A 2012 OR EARLIER
PIECE, I THINK WAS A MISUSE OF
THAT AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING
THAT OUT FIRST AND FOREMOST ON
TUESDAY BECAUSE IT DOES A
DISSERVICE TO ALL THE WORK
THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN TERMS OF
BOTH SPD, BUT THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE, COUNCIL , THIS COUNCIL
AND THE COMMUNITIES INVOLVED. I
THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
EIGHT PIECE THAT CAME OUT ABOUT
THE CONSENT DECREE, AND WE ARE
STILL IN IT, WE ARE STILL
IMPROVING, IS OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS. I
THINK WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND
WHAT SEATTLE HAS THAT OTHER
CITIES DON'T HAVE, THAT
INCLUDES PRIMARILY OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS.
CLEARLY OIG, OFFICE OF
INSPECTOR GENERAL WAS SO
IMPORTANT TO THIS. I'VE HAD
DISCUSSIONS WITH INSPECTOR
GENERAL JUDGE ON THIS AND OTHER
ISSUES AND SHE'S READY TO WORK
THESE PIECES AND THE OTHERS, AS
WELL, SO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT
FOR, IF YOU WILL, THE
ACCOUNTABILITY HARDENERS AND
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ROLE,
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PEACE AND
ACKNOWLEDGE HOW THAT MAKES
SEATTLE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER
CITIES AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS
AROUND THE COUNTRY. THESE
CHANGES ARE IMPORTANT BUT
THERE'S ALSO CHANGES HERE ON
THE DAIS PER GO FIRST, BY THE
WAY, AS I SHIFT, I'D LIKE TO
THANK THE MAYOR AND TEAM FOR
HIS LETTER ON THIS. I
APPRECIATE IT AND I ALSO
APPRECIATE THE MEMO FROM THE
OFFICE OF CIVIL RIGHTS AND I
HIGHLIGHT THE FIRST OF THEIR
CONCERNS WAS INSUFFICIENT
OUTREACH TO PILOT COMMUNITIES.
OKAY. BUT THAT DOESN'T
RECOGNIZE THAT AS OPPOSED TO
2012 AGAIN, WE NOW HAVE SEVEN
DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO,
BELIEVE ME, A, ALL RAN OUT OF
PUBLIC SAFETY. TWO, KNOW THEIR
DISTRICTS VERY WELL. THE AMOUNT
OF OUTREACH -- I WILL JUST
SPEAK FOR MYSELF IN DISTRICT 7,
IS LARGE, BOTH AS A CANDIDATE
AND AS A COUNCILMEMBER. I'VE
DONE WALKABOUTS WITH CHURCH
GROUPS. I'VE DONE WALKABOUTS
WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS,
BROAD-BASED COMMUNITY GROUPS,
SPECIFIC KIND OF FOCUS GROUPS.
I'VE WALKED THIS ENTIRE AREA.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN
TERMS OF THESE PIECES. AND I
THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
NEED TO ACT KNOWLEDGE. WE NEED
TO SAY WE HAVE A NEW COUNCIL IN
THE SENSE WE HAVE DISTRICT
REPRESENTATION AND NOT JUST A
TRANSITION FROM THE TOTALLY
AT-LARGE BUT TO A DISTRICT
SYSTEM OF SEVEN DISTRICTS WHERE
THE CANDIDATES AND
COUNCILMEMBERS RUN IN THOSE
DISTRICTS, LEFT, RIGHT AND
CENTER, AND RAN ON PUBLIC
SAFETY, AND CONTINUE TO ENGAGE
IN THEIR DISTRICT, WHETHER
IT'S MY DISTRICT 7
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL, IN MY
CASE, COUNCIL COUNCILS , OFFICE
HOURS AND WALKABOUTS AND RIDE
ALONGS THAT I'VE DONE IN THAT
DISTRICT, BOTH WITH COMMUNITY
GROUPS BUT ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE,
GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS LIKE
UNIFIED CARE TEAM , SPD ITSELF.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND
BRING INTO THE CONVERSATION,
AND -- BECAUSE I RESPECT THE
MEMO BUT I JUST WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT IT DOESN'T
REALLY APPRECIATE THIS ONE
SEATTLE, IF YOU WILL, APPROACH
IN TERMS OF THE JUDICIAL,
LEGISLATIVE AND THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCHES WORKING TOGETHER. BUT
I ALSO NOTE THAT AGAIN THE ALP
ARE PROCESS WHICH IS THIS
COMBINATION, KIND OF GOES INTO
SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT OCR HAD MADE IN TERMS OF
THE NOTICES, THE STORAGE TIME,
WHICH IN THIS CASE IS A THIRD
OF THE A.L. PR. TRACKING OF
ACTIONS IN TERMS OF THE AUDITS
AND OIG. ALL THESE THINGS ARE
IN PLACE AND I THINK WE NEED TO
SAY THAT OUT LOUD. AND I SAY
THAT APPRECIATIVE OF THE MEMO
BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
SHOULD BRING UP. IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS ERGO
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD
ADDRESS AND I'M GOOD WITH
THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S SUPER
IMPORTANT. AND BY THE WAY, THIS
ALSO GOES TO THE COMMUNITY
SERVICE SURVEILLANCE WORKING
GROUP. AND AGAIN, WE NEED TO DO
THIS ENGAGEMENT AND IT'S
ACROSS THE BOARD. GOOD
GOVERNMENTS MEANS YOU DON'T
JUST TALK TO PEOPLE THAT YOU
ANTICIPATE THAT WILL BE BASED
ON YOUR ENGAGEMENT IN FAVOR OF
THIS, BUT ALSO THOSE THAT MAY
BE AGAINST THIS, WHERE THOSE
ENTITIES COME IN FOR PEOPLE
POWER WASHING. I HAVE THEIR
LETTER. I'VE READ IT AND
HIGHLIGHTED -- THEY TALK ABOUT
THE DATA OF THE RTC CB AND KEPT
IT ON SITE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT,
AND YOU HAVE ADDRESSED IT IN
THIS AND ALSO A BIG PIECE OF
THE A.L. PR AND WE NEED TO LOOK
TO IMPROVE IT WHEREVER WE CAN.
SO THIS IS PART OF THE
DIALOGUE. THIS MAY BE A
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION BECAUSE
TODAY IS ONLY BRIEFING AND
DISCUSSION, PARTICULARLY
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TWO OF
OUR COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE
DAIS. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
BILL. THERE IS THIS KIND OF
CONTRAST BETWEEN, ON ONE HAND I
HEAR AS MENTIONED IN OTHER
THINGS, THERE'S THIS CONCERN
THAT THERE IS NOT EFFECTIVE FOR
COMBATING AND THEN WE HAVE
STUDIES THAT SHOW IT CAN BE
PARTICULARLY IF THIS IS PART OF
A PACKAGE APPROACH,
COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH, BECAUSE
LIKE PEOPLE POWER WASHING SAID,
ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY
INDEPENDENT PEER REVIEW STUDIES
LOOKING AT CLEARANCE RIGHTS FOR
VIOLENT CRIME? THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WALK
THROUGH AS WE GO THROUGH THIS
PROCESS. IN TERMS OF OUR NEXT
COMMITTEE MEETING AND THE FULL
COUNCIL. AND HERE'S AN
IMPORTANT ONE, TOO. IT KIND OF
CAME UP IN THE A.L. PR. IT
ACTUALLY DID COME UP BUT IT'S
EVEN MORE, I THINK OF A
QUESTION, IS IT POSSIBLE TO
PROCURE THE RTC SYSTEM AND
DISABLE ANY AUTOMATIC UP DATES
THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ADD
NEW FEATURES? I'LL ASK THAT
QUESTION. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT
POINT IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH
THE VENDOR, IN TERMS OF KNOWING
WHAT'S BEING ADDED TO?
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF KEY
PIECES HERE. ONE OF THEM IS THE
GOOD NEWS RIGHT OUT THE GATE IS
THAT THE COMPANY WE PROCURED
FOR THE A.L. PR IS THE SAME
COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO BE
PROCURED FOR THE RTC SEE. SO A
LOT OF THE WORK WE DID RELATED
TO THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE TO
PROTECT OUR DATA WOULD BE VERY
SIMILAR AND EASY TO FORK OVER
TO THE NEW CONTRACT. SECONDLY,
WE WORK WITH THIS PARTICULAR
VENDOR ON THE REGULAR AND HAVE
REGULAR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM
ABOUT THIS EXACT TOPIC. WE GET
UP DATES AS TO WHAT UPDATES ARE
COMING. WE SPEAK WITH THEM WITH
WHAT WE DO AND DON'T WANT TO
BE ENABLED. WE SPEAK WITH THEM
ABOUT IMPROVING THEIR PRODUCT
IN A WAY THAT IS CONSISTENT
WITH THE NEEDS OF BOTH SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY
GOVERNMENT AT-LARGE SO WE ARE
WORKING WITH THAT VENDOR
CONSTANTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT
THOSE EXACT KINDS OF UP DATES
AREN'T SIMPLY SHOVED DOWN OUR
THROATS, THAT WE HAVE SOME SAY
IN HOW THEY ARE COMMITTED.
>> UNDERSTAND. I'LL COME BACK
TO A CLOSING PIECE FOR MYSELF
WHEN I SEE THE RHYTHM HERE.
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YOU --
A VERY CURIOUS MIND THAT I HAVE
HERE BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ALL
ENTERTAINING MY QUESTIONS HERE.
ONE FINAL QUESTION AND ACTUALLY
IT RELATES TO WHAT I THINK IS A
VERY SALIENT POINT, THAT THE
CHAIR MADE A MOMENT AGO ABOUT
US BEING IN TOUCH WITH THE
SEVEN COUNCIL DISTRICT AND US
BEING IN TOUCH WITH OUR
DISTRICTS. I THINK FROM A
DEMOCRACY STANDPOINT,
DEMOCRATIC STANDPOINT,
LOWERCASE D, ALL OF US -- THAT
ALL SEVEN INDIVIDUAL
COUNCILMEMBERS, ALL OF US I
WOULD ARGUE WE ARE THE MOST IN
TOUCH AT THIS POINT WITH THE
NEEDS OF OUR DIRECT
CONSTITUENTS IN THE DISTRICTS
AND THAT SAME THING, IT'S
GOING TO CHANGE OVER TIME, AND
IF WE GO UP FOR REELECTION
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET
PACKING SO I WOULD ARGUE WE ARE
MOST IN TOUCH AND CLOSE TO THE
NEEDS AND WANTS OF OUR
CONSTITUENTS, WHICH LEADS ME TO
MY NEXT POINT -- I'VE BEEN
DOING -- ME AND MY OFFICE HAVE
BEEN DOING SOME INITIAL
STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT ABOUT
THIS TECH KNOWLEDGE HE AND
BETTER UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS AND
CONCERNS AND SOME OF MY EARLIER
LINE OF QUESTIONING WAS
DIRECTLY RELATED TO THAT,
ACTUALLY, BUT I'LL BE A LITTLE
MORE EXPLICIT HERE WITH THIS
FINAL FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. SO I
REPRESENT PROUDLY FIVE TERRIFIC
NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS WEST
SEATTLE, SOUTHPARK, PINEHURST
SQUARE, SOTO AND GEORGETOWN.
ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS,
SOUTHPARK, HAS VERY HIGH
CONCENTRATION OF POPULATION OF
HISPANIC AND LATINO PEOPLE AND
A LOT OF NATIVE SPANISH
SPEAKERS LIVED THERE AND DO
BUSINESS THERE AND COME THERE
AND I'M HONORED TO REPRESENT
THEM. AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF
VALID POTENTIAL CONCERNS WITH
RESPECT TO THE SHARING,
POTENTIAL SHARING OF THIS
INFORMATION AND DATA AROUND
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE AND
REPRODUCTIVE CARE AND -- BUT I
THINK THE CONCERN THAT I'M
HEARING THAT IS THE MOST
CONCERNING FOR MY CONSTITUENTS
SO FAR RELATES TO THE POTENTIAL
SHARING OF THIS INFORMATION
WITH IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS AND
I.C.E. SO TO OUR EXECUTIVE
PARTNERS HERE AT THE TABLE,
STARTING WITH YOU, DEPUTY
MAYOR, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO MY
CONSTITUENTS IN SOUTH PARK WHO
ARE ANXIOUS, MAY BE CONCERNED
ABOUT THAT?
>> THAT'S A VERY LEGITIMATE
CONCERN AND CITY POLICY IS THAT
WE DO NOT SHARE THIS
INFORMATION. WE DO NOT
PARTICIPATE IN IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT, SO THAT WOULD NOT
HAPPEN. SELF PARK IS ALSO NOT
IDENTIFIED AS A LOCATION FOR
THESE CAMERAS SO I THINK THEY
CAN REST ASSURED THAT THE LONG
STANDING CITY POLICY OF NOT
ENGAGING WITH IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT CONTINUES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VICE CHAIR,
COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH. I
JUST WANTED TO CLOSE. THIS IS
JUST BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION. I
JUST WANTED TO CLOSE WITH ONE
FINAL POINT, AND AGAIN WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL
MEMBERS NEXT TUESDAY AND WILL
ALSO HAVE THE CHANCE FOR
EVERYBODY TO DIGEST TODAY'S
MEETING. I THINK THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT. I JUST WANTED TO
CLOSE ON THIS SLIDE AND YOU
KNOW AGAIN, WE ALL RAN ON
PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE REPRESENT,
AS VICE CHAIR CONFIRMED IN
TERMS OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF
OUR DISTRICTS AND HEARING FROM
THE COMMUNITY, IN TERMS OF THE
INDIVIDUAL BASIS OR SMALL
BASIS, OR THE BUSINESS DISTRICT
OR A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS AND THE
LIKE. SO WE AS A COMMITTEE HAVE
LOOKED TO CREATE OUR MISSION AS
THE GREATEST SAFE SPACE IN OUR
CITY WITH THE VALUES THAT WE
HAVE IN OUR CITY, WHICH IS KIND
OF COME UP, WILL COME UP AGAIN
NEXT WEEK AND WE ARE PRESSING
FORWARD ON THIS IN A LOT OF
WAYS, BOTH IN THIS COMMUNITY
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TWO BILLS, ONE
ALREADY DONE, THE PROCESS FOR
YOU, ABILITY COMMITTEE AND
OBVIOUSLY AGREEMENT THROUGH THE
LABOR COMMITTEE. BUT FOR THIS
COMMITTEE, WE ARE PRESSING TO
CREATE THAT SAFE BASE IN OUR
CITY, TO PUT IN PLACE OUR
STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK PLAN, TO
ADDRESS THE PERMISSIVE
ENVIRONMENT THAT UNDERLINES OUR
CHALLENGES. AND ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE GOT, THE
DIFFERENT BILLS, BUILDING
ABATEMENTS, ALPR, STREET
RACING, AS NOTED , THAT KIND OF
THING WILL COME UP AGAIN.
OBVIOUSLY SO THOSE EXAMPLES.
BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US
TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT IS
WORKING AND I HAVE GREAT
CONCERNS. I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS
RELATED TO HOW WE'VE DONE OF
LATE AND THE BALANCE IN BETWEEN
VARIOUS LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE
STATUS OF PUBLIC DEFENDERS AS
IT RELATES TO THE STAFFING IN
THEIR CASE AND THE VOLUME OF
CASES AND WHAT THE SUPREME
COURT MAY DO. I DON'T KNOW HOW
MUCH COORDINATION -- SUPREME
COURT'S DON'T NECESSARILY
COORDINATE BUT WHAT DOES THE
GOVERNMENT DO WITH THIS ONE? I
LOOK AT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM OVERALL LAND I'M
CONCERNED AND I THINK WE AS A
CITY NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT
THIS AND ADVOCATING THESE
PIECES. THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE
KIND OF GOES TO HOW CAN WE DO
OUR JOB BETTER TO ASSIST THE
PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN
TERMS OF INVESTIGATING
THOROUGHLY THE IDENTIFICATION
AND GETTING THOSE DATA POINTS,
AS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT -- I
THINK IT WAS THE PUBLIC
COMMENTOR WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT
HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS FOR
SUCCESS IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING
THE RIGHT PERSON AND TO ENSURE
THAT THAT PERSON, ONCE GOES
THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM, IS FOUND GUILTY. IF
FOUND GUILTY THEN JAIL AND
EVERYTHING ELSE COMES IN AND I
THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
RIGHT TO REALLY ASSIST AS WE
POURED THROUGH THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM WITH THE
SAFEGUARDS, DOING IT THE
SEATTLE WAY WITH OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS AND I
JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT
BECAUSE I THINK BOTTOM LINE, AS
NOTED HERE IN TERMS OF
PRECISION POLICING, IT'S ABOUT
CREATING SAFETY SO ON THAT
POINT I WANT TO CLOSE THE
MEETINGS AND SAY THAT WE HAVE
REACHED THE END OF TODAY'S
MEETING AGENDA AND IS THERE ANY
FURTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE
THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE
ADJOURN? VICE CHAIR
HOLLINGSWORTH? HEARING AND
SEEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS COME
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, WE ARE
ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR COMING.