9:37 A.M., MAY 27, 2025. I'M
ROBERT CADDELL, CHAIR OF THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. WILL
THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> [ ROLL BEING CALLED ] THERE
ARE FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE MOVING TO
PUBLIC COMMENT, FOR CHAIR
COMMENT, I WANTED TO NOTE ON
RECENT EVENTS THAT CAL ANDERSON
PARK AND ALSO POTENTIALLY AT
OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL, I
WANTED TO ECHO THE COMMENTS MADE
BY OTHERS TO INCLUDE THE MAYOR
REGARDING THE FACT THAT OUR CITY
IS A WELCOMING CITY TO THE LGBTQ
COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY THE
TRANS COMMUNITY , IN THIS CASE.
THIS IS PART OF WHAT MAKES
SEATTLE, SEATTLE. THE SEATTLE
VALUES. THIS IS SOMETHING WE
PROTECT AND THROUGHOUT THE
COURSE OF OUR JOBS, BUT IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MAYOR AND
HIS TEAM AND THE VARIOUS
DEPARTMENTS AND ALSO THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OBVIOUSLY,
THE VALUES OF AMERICA ALSO, IN
TERMS OF FREE SPEECH, ARE SUCH
THAT THOSE WHO WANT TO EXPRESS
THEIR SPEECH, CAN DO SO. THERE
IS -- THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING
OF DOING SO IN A WAY THAT IS
RESPECTFUL. IT'S UNFORTUNATE ,
THE EVENTS THAT DID HAPPEN. I
NOTE , AND I KNOW THIS TO BE
TRUE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL
CREATE A REPORT, LESSONS
LEARNED, REGARDING THE EVENTS ON
SATURDAY, THIS WEEKEND, AND WE
WILL LOOK AT THAT AS A
COMMITTEE. PARTICULARLY IN TERMS
OF CROWD MANAGEMENT. WE PASSED A
BILL ON CROWD MANAGEMENT TO
INCLUDE DISCUSSIONS ON LESS
LETHAL WEAPONS, AND THERE IS
POLICY IS BEING PUT IN PLACE AT
SPD . THIS WILL BE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO OUR
OVERSIGHT AND OUR
RESPONSIBILITIES ON THIS. MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS
OTHER INDIVIDUAL GROUPS THAT
WERE COMING IN, AND FOR MINTING
THE VIOLENCE AND THIS IS THE
KIND OF THING THAT WE NEED TO BE
ON TOP OF AS A CITY , BECAUSE AT
THE END OF THE DAY WE DO NEED TO
PROTECT THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY
WHO ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE.
OFTEN TIMES, OUR LGBTQ COMMUNITY
IS VERY VULNERABLE AND I THINK
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR
CITY TO STAND UP AND SHOW THAT,
YES, WHILE PROTECTING THE RIGHT
OF FREE SPEECH, WE ARE ALSO
PROTECTING THE RIGHTS AND
ABILITY OF OUR LGBTQ+ -- IN FACT
ALL OF US. ALL OF SEATTLE CAN
LIVE WITH ITS RIGHTS PROTECTED.
WITH THAT, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON
TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. CAN YOU
PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS?
>> CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO
IN-PERSON SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AND
THREE , FIVE REMOTE SPEAKERS.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WILL
BE MODERATED IN THE FOLLOWING
MANNER. IS UP TO 60 MINUTES
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE
ORDER IN WHICH THEY REGISTERED .
SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN
10 SECONDS ARE LEFT OF THEIR
TIME. MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED
IF THEY DO NOT END WITHIN THE
ALLOTTED TIME TO ALLOW US TO ON
THE NEXT BIGGER. IT IS NOW OPEN
. WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE FIRST
SPEAKER ON THE LIST THE FIRST
IN-PERSON SPEAKER IS DAN FRENCH.
>> I HAVE HANDOUTS AVAILABLE TO
THE COUNCILMEMBERS SO THEY CAN
SEE WHAT I'M TRYING TO BRING
HERE THAT DEAL WITH SAFETY
ISSUES . THANK YOU. MY CONCERN
IS WITH REGARD TO THE SO-CALLED
1/30 STREET SAFETY IMPROVEMENT
PROJECT. IT IS UNSAFE , IT IS
ROUTING TRAFFIC TO AREAS WITHOUT
TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE
ROUTING THAT IS OCCURRING . THAT
PARTICULAR INTERSECTION IS KNOWN
TO HAVE ACCIDENTS ON A REGULAR
BASIS AND IT IS NOT EVEN IN
CONSIDERATION. THE MOVEMENT OF
TRAFFIC IS BEING IMPEDED COMING
HERE . IT TOOK ME ABOUT SEVEN
MINUTES JUST TO GET ONTO 130th
BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF
CONSIDERATION . IN ADDITION TO
THAT, THE REROUTING OF THE
TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO TO 100
AND -- 134th . IT IS ONE FOOT
NARROWER THAN THIS LOCATION
RIGHT HERE . IT SHOWS A FIRE
DEPARTMENT TRUCK THAT IF I WERE
AT THE STOP SIGN, HE WOULD NOT
BE ABLE TO TURN . I WOULDN'T BE
ABLE TO SEE, HE WOULDN'T BE
ABLE TO TURN. NOW, THAT AREA
THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT , IS
GOING TO BE IMPROVED . YOU ARE
GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THERE
THAT CAN'T EVEN CROSS THE
STREET TO GET TO THE PARK . YOU
HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS. I HAVE
SENT YOU MULTIPLE EMAILS. YOU
KNOW ABOUT THESE DANGERS . YOU
ARE IGNORING THEM. THEY NEED TO
BE ADDRESSED. PLEASE, LOOK AT
THESE DANGERS , AND ADDRESS
THEM. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THE NEXT IN-PERSON SPEAKER IS
STEVE . THANK YOU.
>> I'M HERE THIS MORNING. I
USUALLY DON'T COME DOWN TO THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE BUT THIS
IS A GOOD TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT
THE LACK OF SERVICE OF THE
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
ACROSS-THE-BOARD FOR US . I
ASSUME THEY DO WELL FOR YOU AND
FOR THE VERY WORST IN SOCIETY,
BUT 90% IN THE MIDDLE ARE NOT
GETTING SERVICED. I HOPE WE ARE
A WAYS AWAY FROM A POINT IN TIME
WHERE YOU DIDN'T HANDLE SEXUAL
ASSAULT UNLESS A MINOR WAS
INVOLVED. I KNOW YOU DON'T
HANDLE REGULAR ASSAULT AT THIS
POINT IN TIME, BUT POLICEMAN WAS
CORRECT THAT IF A POLICEMAN IS
ASSAULTED, THE PERSON GOES TO
JAIL. IF A CITIZEN IS ASSAULTED,
YOU REALLY DON'T CARE. I THINK
THIS IS A GREAT FOR PRIVATE
SECURITY , BUT I'M SO OLD I
REMEMBER WHEN YOU DIDN'T SEE
NEARLY AS MUCH PRIVATE SECURITY
. YOU ALSO SAW A LOT MORE SMALL
BUSINESSES BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T
AFFORD SECURITY, YOU MAY NOT BE
ABLE TO RUN A BUSINESS IN THIS
CITY RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT WE
NEED TO BRING THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT BACK TO BEING A
POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE ATTITUDE
THAT I HAVE SEEN IN POLICE
OFFICERS COMING OUT, TAKING
REPORTS AFTER ASSAULTS IS VERY
SIMILAR TO SOME OF YOU MAY
REMEMBER THE RERUNS, NUMBER
ERNESTINE WITH THE PHONE COMPANY
, WE DON'T CARE, WE DON'T HAVE
TO. THAT'S THE FEELING THAT
MANY OF US GET WHEN WE ARE
DEALING WITH THE SEATTLE POLICE
RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT IS TIME,
WITH A NEW POLICE CHIEF COMING
UP THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT
ACTUALLY HALICE
DEPARTMENT THAT SERVES THE
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SEATTLE.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THE FIRST REMOTE SPEAKER IS
HOWARD GAIL . PLEASE PRESS STAR
SIX WHEN YOU HEAR THE PROMPT.
YOU WILL BE UNMUTED .
>> GOOD MORNING, DISTRICT 7.
THIS COUNCIL HAS SPENT THE LAST
17 MONTHS PRAISING AND
CELEBRATING POLICE VASTLY
INCREASING THEIR PAY AND BONUSES
, WORKED TIRELESSLY TO INCREASE
QUANTITY WITH DISREGARD TO
QUALITY , ABANDON ANY ACTUAL
POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, IGNORE
THE SIGNS OF POLICE ABUSE AND
PROTESTERS , REMOVE PROHIBITIONS
AND USE OF WEAPONS AGAINST
DEMONSTRATION, AS JOE ZERO
CONCERN WHEN POLICE RECENTLY
KILLED A MAN IN CRISIS AND
IGNORED THE ANNIVERSARIES OF
GEORGE FLOYD AND LOCAL VICTIMS
OF POLICE LIKE TERRY AND RYAN
SMITH. IS ANYONE SURPRISED BY
THE POLICE VIOLENCE WE WITNESSED
ON CAPITOL HILL THREE DAYS AGO?
IS IT POSSIBLE TO IGNORE A
BRUTAL POLICE KILLING OF A MAN
IN CRISIS TWO MONTHS AGO AND TO
ALSO IGNORE POLICE KILLING OF 19
PEOPLE IN LESS THAN 14 YEARS WHO
HAD NO WEAPON OR ONLY EDGED
WEAPON. AND THEN EXPECT POLICE
TO BE SHY ABOUT BEATING AND
FALSELY ARRESTING PROTESTERS.
THE VIDEOS FROM SATURDAY ARE
CLASSIC AND COULD HAVE BEEN
FILLED AT WTO IN 1999 OR THE
GEORGE FLOYD PROTEST IN 2020
SHOWING REPEATED CASES OF POLICE
ESCALATING TENSIONS WITH THE
VERBAL AND PHYSICAL ABUSE. YOU
CANNOT CHANGE POLICE CULTURE FOR
THE BETTER WITH JUST POLICIES
AND WORDS , THOUGH THE WRONG
POLICIES AND WORDS CAN ENCOURAGE
THE CULTURES WORST IMPULSES.
THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. MY
ADVICE TO ALL THOSE HARMED AND
FALSELY ARRESTED ON SATURDAY ,
IS TO BE SURE TO INCLUDE IN YOUR
LAWSUITS AGAINST THE SPD ALL THE
COUNCILMEMBERS WHO VOTED IN
FEBRUARY TO ALLOW THE POLICE WHO
UNLEASHED WEAPONS ON PROTESTERS.
AS COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE OFTEN
SAYS, THIS ENVIRONMENT MUST END.
THANK YOU.
>> THE NEXT REMOTE SPEAKER IS
HIGHLY -- KYLEE.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
KYLIE AULD AND I LIVE IN CAPITOL
HILL. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE
MISUSE OF SEATTLE PUBLIC SAFETY
FUNDS AND LACK OF OVERSIGHT OF
OFFICERS THIS WEEKEND AND CAL
ANDERSON PARK. HATE GROUPS FROM
ACROSS THE STATE WERE GIVEN
CARTE BLANCHE TO PREACH THEIR
ANTI- MESSAGE AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OF CAPITOL HILL IN
A PARK NAMED FOR THE FIRST
OPENLY WASHINGTON STATE
LEGISLATOR. I'M CURIOUS ON HOW
MUCH IT COST US, THE TAXPAYERS
OF SEATTLE TO PROVIDE A SMALL
ARMY OF POLICE TO PROTECT THEM.
WHAT WILL BE DONE ABOUT THE
NUMEROUS OPA COMPLAINTS FILED AS
A RESULT? RIGHT WING GROUPS HAVE
HISTORICALLY ALWAYS ABUSED THE
FREEDOMS OF A LIBERAL SOCIETY IN
ORDER TO SEIZE POWER AND ONCE
THEY HAVE IT, WILL IN SHORT
ORDER WORK TO DESTROY THOSE VERY
SAME FREEDOMS. WE CAN SEE THIS
HAPPENING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL
, AND I SEE NO REASON WHY WE
SHOULD BE HELPING THEM HERE AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL. THEY DESIRE
ONLY TO ANTAGONIZE OUR COMMUNITY
AND THE CITY ROLLED OUT THE RED
CARPET FOR THEM. THE SPD HAS A
LONG HISTORY OF VIOLENCE TOWARDS
LEFT-WING PROTESTERS AND TURNING
THEM LOOSE ON OUR COMMUNITY
WITHOUT PROPER OVERSIGHT ALREADY
HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO RESULT
IN NOT ONLY DAMAGE TO THE PUBLIC
TRUST BUT ALSO ACTUAL PHYSICAL
AND EMOTIONAL HARM TO OUR
COMMUNITIES. I HAVE JUST LEARNED
, BEFORE SPEAKING, ANOTHER
PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED TO ANOTHER
HATE GROUP IN THE SAME PARK FOR
AUGUST 30th. WE THE VOTERS OF
SEATTLE ONCE AGAIN WILL WE BE
FORCED TO PAY FOR UNACCOUNTABLE
POLICE FORCE TO USE VIOLENCE TO
PROTECT A GROUP THAT PREACHES
HATE FOR THIS CITY AND ITS
PEOPLE? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THE LAST --. THE
NEXT REMOTE SPEAKER IS VALLEY .
VALERIE, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX.
>> GOOD MORNING. DISTRICT TWO.
YOU HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLL IN
DECIDING WHAT SORT OF POLICING
WE HAVE IN OUR CITY. LISTEN TO
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING AND
TELLING YOU WHO -- CAPITOL HILL
SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED
DIFFERENTLY. THE FAR RIGHT
CHRISTIANS WANTED TO BE THE
CENTER OF AN HISTORICAL LGBTQ+
NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT THEY COULD
STAGE A MEDIA SHOWDOWN WITH
QUEER AND TRANS PEOPLE. WHEN A
DOMINANT CULTURAL AND POLITICAL
GROUP INSERT THEMSELVES INTO THE
COMMUNITY OF A SMALLER
HISTORICALLY OPPRESSED GROUP IN
THAT WAY, IT IS AN ACT OF
AGGRESSION THAT SEEKS TO DO
HARM. IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING
BUT NOT SURPRISING TO SEE SPD
COMPOUND THAT HARM AND
AGGRESSION BY THROWING COUNTER
PROTESTERS TO THE GROUND AND
DRAGGING THEM AWAY. THERE WERE
OTHER , SMARTER CHOICES THEY
COULD HAVE MADE ON SATURDAY TO
DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION RATHER
THAN TO COME DOWN BRUTALLY. I
REALLY HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO
LISTEN TO WILLFULLY OBTUSE
COMMENTS TODAY ABOUT HOW
SATURDAY'S SPECTACLE OF
VIOLENCE WAS INEVITABLE, OR
SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT TO GIVE
THE POLICE FREE REIGN AND HOW
THEY REACT TO PROTEST . FREE
SPEECH IS NOT FREEDOM TO BULLY
AND OPPRESS PEOPLE . EVERYONE
UNDERSTANDS THAT WHEN THEIR OWN
RIGHTS EXIST AND LIVE IS
CHALLENGED , T'USE OUR EX
EVIDENCE TO LEARN FROM
SATURDAY'S HORRIBLE EVENT AND
NOT REPEAT THEM. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THE LAST REMOTE
SPEAKER WE HAVE IS DAVID HAYNES.
>> KUDOS TO THE COPS ON CAPITOL
HILL MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY
OF FREE SPEECH. SHAME ON CITY
HALL PULLING A PUNCH ON THE
LGBTQ VOTING BLOCK OF VIOLENT
AGITATORS HATING PEOPLE
ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR FAITH IN THE
GOOD LORD AND CELEBRATING
BIOLOGY OF TWO GENDERS. THAT
SAID, HIS COUNCIL GOING TO
SCRUTINIZE THE AMOUNT OF
OVERTIME PAID UP LAW-ABIDING
EVENTS FOR THE COPS VERSUS HOW
MANY OF THE SAME DEPLOYABLE COPS
-- THE NEXT DAY. ARE YOU
QUESTIONING THE NON-11 DISPATCH
AND THE CIVILIAN TIME IT TAKES
TO PROCESS A 911 CALL BEFORE
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE COP GO
OUT . IS THAT NOT INCLUDED IN
THE SO-CALLED 6% IMPROVEMENT
AFTER THEY DELISTED MORE CRIME
AS A SECOND PRIORITY? ARE YOU
REALLY SCRUTINIZING THE RESPONSE
TIMES VERSUS HOW MANY QUESTIONS
THEY HAVE TO ASK THAT ORIGINATED
FROM THE SAME POLITICIAN TO
DEFUND THE POLICE AND SHIFT THE
PARADIGM AND PRIORITIZE --
PRIORITIZE AND GREAT A POLICY OF
SPENDING THAT EXACERBATED PUBLIC
SAFETY CRISIS AND HOMELESS
CRISIS? IF YOU CALL THE 911 AND
YOU TELL THEM TO -- THE PROBLEM
, AND THEY SAY WAIT, HOLD ON
LET'S START OVER AT QUESTION
ONE AND ALONG THE QUESTIONS THEY
START ACTING LIKE A CRIMINAL
DEFENSE LAWYER QUESTIONING THE
VERACITY OF YOUR ASSESSMENT OF A
REALITY OF THAT IS ONGOING IN
THE CRIME UNDERWORLD, BY THE
TIME THEY FINISH ASKING YOU 10
QUESTIONS THAT ONE OF THEIR
PROGRESSIVE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL
POLITICIANS WHO WAS DOING A
GEORGE SOURCE BIDDING WHO
CREATED THE WHOLE THING , THERE
IS A LOT OF MINUTES THAT HAVE
GONE PAST BEFORE THEY EVEN
BOTHER. WHEN THEY DON'T
VERBATIM SPECIFIC THE
INFORMATION, THEY TRIP UP THE
COPS , SO IT'S SUSPECT THEY ARE
NOT TECHNICALLY TRAINED. WE NEED
TO --.
>> THANK YOU. NO MORE ADDITIONAL
REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK. PUBLIC
COMMENT HAS EXPIRED . WE WILL
NOT PROCEED TO OUR ITEMS
BUSINESS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
ARE ENCOURAGED TO SUBMIT WRITTEN
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SIGN-UP
CARDS AVAILABLE ON THE PODIUM OR
EMAIL THE COUNCIL AT 35. I
WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
NOTE RETHINKS. IN ADDITION TO
THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE RECEIVED ,
I SAID THIS BEFORE, WE RECEIVE
THE COMMENT IN VARIOUS MANNERS.
ONE OF THEM IS THROUGH EMAILS
AND THE LIKE. WE DO GET THEM AND
I WANTED TO NOTE FROM THE
SEATTLE LGBTQ COMMISSION , I
RECEIVED YOURS, I UNDERSTAND IT,
AND UNDERSTAND YOUR DEEP
CONCERN. AS I SAID, WE ARE PROUD
TO BE WELCOMING TO OUR LGBTQ
COMMUNITY AND AS I NOTED, THERE
WILL BE AN AFTER ACTION REPORT ,
LESSONS LEARNED, THAT WE WILL BE
LOOKING AT AS A COUNCIL AND
COMMITTEE. I DO HAVE SIMILAR
QUESTIONS ALSO, FOR THE SITING
OF THIS PROTEST. I WANTED TO
MAKE THAT NOTE QUITE CLEAR FOR
MY OWN PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE NOT
JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. THAT
IS THE QUESTION TO -- THERE IS
MANY PARKS FROM WHICH YOU CAN
MAKE A PROTEST . YOU CAN HAVE
THAT EXERCISE OF FIRST AMENDMENT
, BUT THE CHOOSING OF CAL
ANDERSON PARK IS PROBLEMATIC FOR
A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS FOR
WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE SEATTLE
LGBTQ+ COMMISSION NOTED AND I
WANTED TO NOTE THAT, TOO. THAT
DOES NEED TO BE PART OF THE
DISCUSSION. THANK YOU WHO HAVE
WRITTEN IN ON THIS TOPIC. WE
WILL LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF
CROWD MANAGEMENT WITH SPD. THERE
WILL BE OTHER PLACES WHERE THIS
WILL BE LOOKED AT IN OTHER
COMMITTEES AS WELL. THE KEY
THING IS TO IDENTIFY, OKAY, WE
HAVE A GROUP THAT IS IN PROTEST
AND EXERCISING THEIR FREE
RIGHTS. WE HAVE THE COMMISSION
AND THOSE WITHIN THE LGBTQ+
COMMUNITY THAT DO HAVE THEIR
RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH, TOO HIM
AND TO COME IN COUNTER PROTEST.
WE ALSO NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT
THERE IS THIRD ACTORS AS WELL. I
ASK THE PUBLIC TO , AS ONE WHO
HAS SEEN MANY TIMES THE FIRST
REPORTS ARE USUALLY WRONG OR
INCOMPLETE, LET'S GET THE
INFORMATION, REALLY UNDERSTAND
THE THIRD ACTORS AND HOW THEY
PLAY INTO THIS BECAUSE THAT IS
IMPORTANT. SEPARATELY, AND GOING
BACK TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENTERS,
MR. FRENCH , I DO HAVE THIS . I
DO CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND
PEDESTRIAN SAFETY . THIS IS NOT
IN MY DISTRICT, SO MY CLERK WILL
WORK WITH THE -- IN TERMS OF
DISTRICT, AND CHAIR AND MY
COLLEAGUE WHO I BELIEVE IS ON
WITH ME RIGHT NOW, IF I HAVE MY
LOCATION RIGHT, AND WE WILL
CHECK IN WITH US.AND SEE WHAT
THE STORE IS. I HAVE NO IDEA
WHAT IT IS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
ANY PLANS ARE. I RECOGNIZE WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THIS IS
NOT A ONE OFF. THIS HAPPENS
AROUND THE CITY. I WANT TO LET
YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
HEARD AND MR. BE SURE THAT I
SPEAK TO SPD ON A REGULAR BASIS
FROM THE CHIEF TO THE PRECINCT
CAPTAINS AND IN TERMS OF
ENGAGING IN SUPPORTING OUR
COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT
GOES TO WHAT I SAY ABOUT LIVING
WITH COMPASSION FOR THOSE WHO
NEED BUT ALSO HAVE THE WISDOM TO
LOOK OUT FOR COMMUNITY AND
NEIGHBORHOODS. WITHIN THAT
CONTEXT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE
NEED TO BE DOING THROUGHOUT, AND
THIS IS WHERE THE DIFFERENT
ACTIONS WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN,
BUILDING UP THE TRAINING
PIPELINES AND THE LIKE ARE GOING
TO GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE
NEED TO BE, BUT I RECOGNIZE YOUR
POINT. I HEAR YOU IN TERMS OF
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, YOU ARE --
YOUR SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND
AREA ARE NOT NECESSARILY
RECEIVING THAT. IS PROBABLY
BECAUSE, I KNOW THE PRECINCT AND
THE OTHER HOT AREAS , THIS IS A
CHALLENGE WE FACE AND THE REASON
WHY WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD UP
THE STAFFING OF THE SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TH
THAT WOULD GET TO BOTH IN PERSON
HERE OVER THE PHONE AND ALSO VIA
EMAIL AND ON THE STREET AND
THERE IS MANY WAYS WE HEAR
PUBLIC COMMENT . I'M SURE I'M
SPEAKING FOR ALL MY COLLEAGUES
ON THAT POINT. I JUST WANTED TO
SAY THANK YOU. GOING BACK TO
ORIGINAL, THANK YOU,
SPECIFICALLY, TO THOSE WHO ARE
WRITING IN IN TERMS OF SHOWING
SUPPORT FOR OUR LGBTQ+
COMMUNITY. BEFORE MOVING ON, I
THINK -- I DO BELIEVE THAT
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA IS WITH US.
I WANT TO NOTE SHE HAS BEEN ON
FROM THE BEGINNING AND THROUGH
PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WE WILL
NOW MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM OF
BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK IS READ
ITEM ONE INTO THE RECORD?
>> COUNCIL BILL 120977 AN
ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE
OVERSIGHT OF THE POLICE,
REVISING THE PROCESS FOR
INVESTIGATING COMPLAINTS NAMING
THE CHIEF OF POLICE, ADDING
SECTIONS 3.2 9.515 AND 3.2 9.590
TWO SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE AND
AMENDING SECTIONS 3.29 OF THE
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> FROM OUR CENTRAL STAFF, HAS
ALREADY JOINED US AT THE TABLE.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
>> KARINA BULL WITH COUNCIL
CENTRAL STAFF.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ACCORDING TO MY NOTES I
SHOULD , BEFORE WE GO INTO
DISCUSSING IT, AND ALSO WITH AN
AMENDMENT, I SHOULD MOVE THE
BILL, SO I MOVE THAT PASSAGE
BILL 120977. IS THERE A SECOND?
IT IS MOVED AND SECONDED. IS
THERE ANY COMMENTS . THERE ARE
COMMENTS BUT WE WILL START WITH
CENTRAL STAFF AND WE WILL MOVE
TO THE AMENDMENT AND DO ANY
COMMENTS FROM OUR COLLEAGUES
HERE ON THE DAIS.
>> THANK YOU. THIS MORNING MARKS
THIS COMMITTEES SECOND
DISCUSSION OF COUNCIL BILL
120977 . IT IS COUNCIL GENERATED
LEGISLATION SPONSORED BY CHAIR
KETTLE AND IT WOULD AMEND THE
CITY'S PROCESS FOR HANDLING
COMPLAINTS THAT NAME THE CHIEF
OF POLICE . THIS PROCESS WAS
ESTABLISHED IN 2022 BY ORDINANCE
AND THIS FOLLOWED THE CITY'S
PASSING OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY
ORDINANCE IN 2017 THAT
ESTABLISHED THE THREE-PRONGED
ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM WITH THE
OFFICE OF THE LEASE
ACCOUNTABILITY, OFFICE OF
INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY AND THE COMMUNITY POLICE
COMMISSION . THAT PROCESS
ESTABLISHED -- OR THAT ORDINANCE
ESTABLISHED A PROCESS FOR
HANDLING MISCONDUCT COMPLAINTS
INVOLVING SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES , BUT NOT
THE CHIEF OF POLICE. IN
ESTABLISHING THAT PROCESS IN
2022, THERE WERE ROLES FOR OPA
AND OVERSIGHT ROLL FOR OIG AND
SINCE THEN THE CITY RECEIVED
OVER 70 COMPLAINTS NAMING THE
CHIEF OF POLICE, AND IN THE
PROCESS OF HANDLING THOSE
COMPLAINTS, BOTH THE OPA AND OIG
NOTED THAT CERTAIN ASPECTS OF
THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS
IMPEDED THEIR ABILITY OR LIMITED
THEIR ABILITY TO HANDLE THOSE
COMPLAINTS IN AN EFFICIENT
MANNER. THIS ORDINANCE ADDRESSES
THOSE ISSUES AND IT'S GOAL IS
TO STREAMLINE AND CLARIFY THE
INVESTIGATION PROCESS, MAKE IT
MORE TIMELY , MAKE IT MORE
EFFICIENT AND ALSO THERE IS AN
ASPECT OF INCREASING
ACCOUNTABILITY BY ADDING
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
>> THANK YOU. BEFORE MOVING TO
THE AMENDMENT, IS THERE ANY
COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? I
KNOW VICE CHAIR, I CANNOT SEE
YOU, SO I CANNOT DO THE QUICK
LOOK OVER, BUT ARE THERE ANY
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM YOU?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. NONE
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU.
>> GREAT. I'M NOT SEEING ANY
OTHER COMMENTS. I WILL MOVE TO
AMEND COUNCIL BILL 120977 AS
PRESENTED IN AMENDMENT NUMBER
ONE .
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. IT HAS BEEN MOVED
AND SECONDED TO ADOPT AMENDMENT
NUMBER ONE, CENTRAL STAFF, YOU
ARE RECOGNIZED TO DESCRIBE
AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE.
>> THIS AMENDMENT WOULD MAKE
THREE CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED
LEGISLATION, THE FIRST TWO ARE
TECHNICAL AND WOULD NOT CHANGE
EXISTING OR PROPOSED
REQUIREMENTS. THE THIRD WOULD
EXPAND A REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
THE FIRST ONE THAT IS TECHNICAL
WOULD CLARIFY THE DESCRIPTION IF
THE COMMUNITY POLICE COMMISSION
AND RECITALS. RECITALS HAVE VERY
BRIEF PARAGRAPH OR ONE SENTENCE
DESCRIPTIONS OF EACH OF THE
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS . THE
OPA, OIG AND CPC. THIS AMENDMENT
WHAT CLARIFY THAT THE CPC IS AN
INDEPENDENT OFFICE AND WORKS TO
ENSURE THE ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM
IS RESPONSIVE TO COMMUNITY
CONCERNS. THE SECOND PART OF THE
AMENDMENT IS THAT THERE WOULD BE
CLARIFICATION OF THE
INVESTIGATIVE STANDARD . ALL OF
THE INVESTIGATIONS, NAMING THE
CHIEF OF POLICE, MUST BE TIMELY,
THOROUGH, AND OBJECTIVE . THIS
AMENDMENT WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR
THAT REQUIREMENT IS -- HAS THREE
PARTS. IF ONE OF THEM IS NOT
MET, THE STANDARD IS NOT MET, SO
IT MUST BE TIMELY, THOROUGH, AND
OBJECTIVE. IF ONE OF THOSE
COMPONENTS IS MISSING, THE
STANDARD HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED.
THE THIRD WOULD REQUIRE THE
OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL TO
PROVIDE QUARTERLY REPORTS NAMING
THE CHIEF OF POLICE , BASIC
INFORMATION ABOUT THESE
COMPLAINTS AND HOW THEY ARE
HANDLED TO THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE
COMMISSION. AS STATED BEFORE,
THIS WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIVE
AMENDMENT THAT WOULD EXPAND
NOTICE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE
REPORTS IN ADDITION TO THE
MAYOR, PRESIDENT OF THE PENCIL
AND THE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. ON AN ANNUAL
BASIS, NOT CHANGED IN THIS
AMENDMENT BUT FOR YOUR
REFERENCE, THERE ARE PUBLIC
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT RUNDOWN.
THAT'S A VERY THOROUGH. AS THE
SPONSOR, FOR THIS AMENDMENT, I
WANTED TO NOTE , A LOT OF THIS
IS CLARIFICATION . AS YOU KNOW,
I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS ON ALL
THREE OF THEM . SOMETIMES PEOPLE
SAY FOUR, AND SO TAKING IN THE
INPUT AND THE IDEA OF ADDING
THESE TO THE RECITALS IN TERMS
OF SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY
POLICE COMMISSION . SECONDLY, IT
CAME TO MY ATTENTION. THIS IS
PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE
HAD THE FIRST TIME IN TERMS OF
THE BUCKET AND THE INTAKE AND
MOVING FORWARD AND SO FORTH,
JUST FOR SOME CLARITY , AT THE
BEGINNING OF SECTION 5 AND THEN
LASTLY, JUST TO BE INCLUSIVE OF
THE ENTIRE ACCOUNTABILITY
SYSTEM, AND THIS IS WITH THE
QUARTERLY REPORT, TOO. I BELIEVE
THIS IS HELPFUL IN TERMS OF
ENSURING THAT --. I KNOW THERE
IS COORDINATIONS AND MEETINGS OF
THE LIKE BUT FROM A FORMAL POINT
OF VIEW THAT THE CPC IS ALSO
INCLUDED IN THAT NOTIFICATION
PROCESS. WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY
COMMENTS FROM VICE CHAIR OR
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE
HERE ? CHAIR?
>> AS VICE CHAIR ? THANK YOU,
MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING FORTH THIS AMENDMENT. I
THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE,
AND I THINK IT SPEAKS TO SOME OF
MY COMMENTS THAT I RAISED DURING
OUR LAST PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE
HELD ON THIS TOPIC IN TERMS OF
HAVING COMPREHENSIVE OR THOROUGH
AND ZERO WORDING IN THESE
INVESTIGATIONS IRRESPECTIVE OF
WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF THAT.
THANK YOU. I'M PROUD TO SUPPORT
THIS.
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR.
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> THANK YOU. I WANTED TO ECHO
COUNCILMEMBER SAKA'S COMMENT. I
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING FORTH OF
THIS LEGISLATION. IT IS
IMPORTANT TO GET BETTER , TO
RESOLVING CLARIFY THIS PROCESS .
I APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENT YOU
HAVE BROUGHT. THANK YOU. I WILL
BE SUPPORTING THIS TODAY.
>> THANCOUNCILMEMBER
MOORE. I HAVE SPOKEN TO IT. I
THINK WE CAN MOVE ON . WHILE THE
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL IN
THE ADOPTION OF THE AMENDMENT
NUMBER ONE.
>> [ ROLL BEING CALLED ] THERE
ARE FOUR IN FAVOR AND NONE
OPPOSED.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK. AMENDMENT
ONE IS ADOPTED. OKAY. NOW WITH
THE AMENDED BILL , IS THERE ANY
ADDITIONAL COMMENT?
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE, IS THIS A
NEW HAND?
>> NO, SORRY.
>> I'M NOT SEEING ANY
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. WILL THE
CLERK IS CALLED A ROLL ON THE
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO PASS
COUNCIL BILL 120977 AS AMENDED?
>> [ ROLL BEING CALLED ] FOUR IN
FAVOR AND NONE OPPOSED.
>> THANK YOU. THE BILL IS
RECOMMENDED . THE MOTION CARRIES
AND COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION,
THE BILL AS AMENDED WILL BE SENT
TO THE JUNE 3rd CITY COUNCIL
MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS THAT ARE
IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. THANK YOU
FOR JOINING US TODAY. THANK YOU.
WITH THAT FIRST PIECE OF
BUSINESS DONE, WE WILL MOVE TO
OUR SECOND ITEM OF BUSINESS.
WILL THE CLERK IS READ ITEM TWO
INTO THE RECORD?
>> SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
HIRING OVERTIME AND PERFORMANCE
METRICS REPORT .
>> WE WILL BE JOINED BY MR. DOSS
FROM CENTRAL STAFF AND MISSED
ANGELA SOCCI. PLEASE INTRODUCE
YOURSELF , WHERE YOU ARE FROM
AND YOUR BACKGROUND AS IT
RELATES TO THIS AGENDA ITEM.
>> THANK YOU, GREG DOSS, COUNCIL
CENTRAL STAFF.
>> GOOD MORNING, ANGELA SOCCI,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND
FINANCE FOR THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. MYSELF AND TEAM PUT
TOGETHER THIS REPORT ON A
QUARTERLY BASIS IN RESPONSE TO
THE STATEMENT OF LEGISLATIVE
INTENT ISSUED LAST NOVEMBER.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GREG
DOSS, CENTRAL STAFF AND HERE
WITH ANGELA SOCCI. SHE MENTIONED
HER STAFF PUT TOGETHER THIS
REPORT THAT IS INDEED TRUE AND I
WOULD LIKE TO THANK HER FOR ,
AND HER STAFF, FOR DOING THIS.
IT IS A LOT OF WORK TO CRUNCH
ALL THE DATA AND PUT ALL THE
NUMBERS TOGETHER, AND WE WORK
CLOSELY. IDEAL WITH THEIR STAFF
TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE MAKING
SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE
RIGHT PICTURE FROM THE DATA AND
WE ARE GIVING YOU A THOROUGH
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW OPERATIONS
ARE CHANGING AT SBD WHETHER
STAFFING OR OVERTIME OR
PERFORMANCE METRICS. IT IS MY
NAME UP THERE BUT IT'S A JOINT
EFFORT WITH THE DEPARTMENT. I
WILL JUMP RIGHT INTO SLIDE
NUMBER THREE . SPD STAFFING.
BEFORE I DESCRIBE THE CHART,
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE
STAFFING NUMBERS. I WILL POINT
YOU TO THE RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS
2025, JANUARY TO MARCH ACTUAL
STAFFING PLAN. I THINK THAT
COUNCILMEMBERS ARE AWARE OF THE
DEPARTMENT'S UNPRECEDENTED
SUCCESS IN HIRING THIS YEAR.
IT'S REALLY HAPPENING SINCE
LAST FALL , THE DEPARTMENT HAS
BEEN SEEING A TREND OF ABOUT 14
HIRES PER MONTH, WHICH IS REALLY
DOUBLE WHAT HAS OCCURRED
HISTORICALLY, EVEN IN GOOD
YEARS. I SAY UNPRECEDENTED. I
DON'T THINK ANYONE AT THE
DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN THIS LEVEL
OF HIRING, NOR DID THEY
NECESSARILY THINK THEY WERE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE
THIS, BUT THROUGH HARD WORK AND
LOOKING AT EVERY ASPECT OF THE
RECRUITING PROCESS AND SOME HELP
FROM COUNCIL, I WILL TALK ABOUT
IN A MOMENT, THE DEPARTMENT HAS
REALLY BEEN ABLE TO STEP UP THE
NUMBER OF RECRUITS THAT ARE
BEING HIRED. I BELIEVE THAT
COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT SPD IN THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE EASILY PROVIDED
THEIR OWN STEPPING UPDATE, WHICH
INDICATES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN
60 HIRES MADE THROUGH APRIL 18th
, AND THAT OF COURSE IS TRUE
THROUGH APRIL 18th , OUR FOCUS
TODAY IS ON THE FIRST QUARTER
AND THE REGULAR UPDATES. IN THIS
QUARTER, THERE WERE 12 MORE
HIRES THAT WERE ACHIEVED THAT
ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND SEVEN
FEWER SEPARATIONS THAT RESULTED
IN A BOTTOM LINE OF 19
ADDITIONAL OFFICERS IN THE FIRST
QUARTER. WHAT'S REALLY GREAT
ABOUT THIS NEWS IS THAT THOSE
ORIGINAL PROJECTIONS HAD ALREADY
BUILT IN 15 NEW OFFICERS THAT
WOULD BE HIRED THROUGHOUT THE
YEAR . WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS IS
THAT SPD IS ALREADY MEETING ITS
GOALS FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR AND
LOOKS TO REALLY IMPROVE THE
HIRING BEYOND THE GOALS. NEXT I
WILL POINT TO THE 2025 SPD
ANNUAL PROJECTIONS THAT ARE DOWN
BELOW . YOU WILL SEE ORIGINAL
PROJECTIONS HAD BEEN 120 HIRES
AND THAT ASSUMED AN INCREASE OF
15 HIRES. THE SEPARATION
PROJECTION HAD BEEN 105 . AT
THIS POINT IN TIME, SPD HAS
REVISED HIRING PROJECTIONS OF
132 FOR THE YEAR. HOW DO THEY
GET TO THAT PROJECTION? THAT IS
TYPICALLY AN EXERCISE WHERE THEY
TAKE THE ACTUALS , THE NUMBER OF
ACTUAL HIRES THAT HAVE OCCURRED
BETWEEN JANUARY AND MARCH ,
UPDATE THOSE NUMBERS, BUT DON'T
DO ANY FUTURE FORECASTING. THEY
DON'T CHANGE THE NUMBERS FOR
THE FUTURE . IT IS A
CONSERVATIVE METHOD . IT IS A
METHOD THAT THE DEPARTMENT USES
BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD WAY TO
PREDICT BUDGET IN A CONSERVATIVE
FASHION. IN THIS CASE, THAT
PARTICULAR METHOD IS NOT QUITE
SO VALID ANYMORE BECAUSE WE HAVE
SEEN A PARADIGM SHIFT IN HIRING
AT SBD. SO, WHAT SPD HAS DONE
NOW IS PUT TOGETHER A LOW END
PROJECTION, WHICH IS ACTUALS
PLUS THE OLD PLAN , AND THEY PUT
TOGETHER A HIGH END PROJECTION
THAT IS BASED ON THEIR CURRENT
TRENDS, THE 14 PER MONTH THEY
ARE SEEING HIRED AND HOW THAT
MIGHT LOOK AT THE
END-OF-THE-YEAR. THAT PROJECTION
IS 169 HIRES . AGAIN, NOT
SOMETHING I THINK ANYONE COULD
HAVE IMAGINED A YEAR AGO.
FANTASTIC NEWS. I WOULD BE
REMISS IF I DID NOT ALSO POINT
OUT THE COUNCIL HAD A ROLL IN
THIS RECENT SUCCESS . YOU WILL
RECALL LAST YEAR PASSING
ORDINANCE 127026 WHICH CREATED
THE RECRUITMENT PROGRAM IN SPD
CENTRALIZED ALL THE FUNCTIONS
INTO THAT PROGRAM . THE
ORDINANCE ADDED STAFF TO BOTH
SPD AND PUBLIC SAFETY CIVIL
SERVICE COMMISSION AND REQUIRED
EACH CANDIDATE RECEIVE A
PERSONAL CONTACT OR PERSONAL
TOUCH FROM THE SPD. UNDOUBTEDLY,
THAT ORDINANCE IS HAVING AN
EFFECT , AND AS YOU KNOW THE
COUNCIL INCREASED OFFICER WAGES
BY PASSING ORDINANCE 127019 AND
AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SEATTLE
POLICE OFFICERS GUILD WHICH MADE
SPD THE HIGHEST PAID LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN THE STATE.
SURVEYS FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY
CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION HAVE
SHOWN THAT OFFICER SALARIES ARE
ONE OF THE HIGHEST INTERVENING
FACTORS TO RECRUITS BECOMING
CANDIDATES OR TWO PEOPLE
BECOMING RECRUITS, AND INDEED
THAT HAS HELPED OUT THROUGH THE
RECENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
AGREEMENT. SO, THE CHART HERE,
IT'S BASED ON THE MORE
CONSERVATIVE OLD APPROACH THAT
SPD USED TO UPDATE ACTUALS AND
IT'S THE LOW END PROJECTION.
EVEN AT THE LOW END PROJECTION,
I THINK WE WILL SEE AN INCREASE
TO JUST UNDER 1000 OFFICERS THAT
ARE FULLY TRAINED AND 930
DEPLOYABLE OFFICERS. MOVING IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IT SEEMS
LIKE IT IS NOT THAT BIG OF AN
INCREASE BUT I THINK AS YOU ALL
ARE AWARE, IT TAKES A YEAR OR SO
FOR A RECRUIT TO MOVE THROUGH
THE ENTIRE ACADEMY PROCESS . THE
FIELD TRAINING PROCESS AND THEN
ULTIMATELY BECOMING A FULLY
TRAINED OFFICER. WE WILL ASK IF
THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS AND
MOVED TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT PROMPT.
SOMETIMES I SAY, PLEASE WAIT
TILL THE END OF THE BRIEFING BUT
FOR THIS BRIEFING WE WILL MOVE
PER SLIDE . I DO BELIEVE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT HAS A QUESTION.
>> THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME
BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
UNDERSTAND. CAN YOU WALK ME
THROUGH IN MORE DETAIL HOW THE
HIGH PROJECTION IS DERIVED? I
ASK BECAUSE I RECALL THAT IN THE
PAST, SOMETIMES THERE WAS AN
ACTUAL , AND THEN THERE WAS A
MIX OF THE AVERAGE NUMBER FROM
THE PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS THAT WAS
SOMEHOW -- IT SOMEHOW HAD AN
IMPACT ON THAT BOTTOM LINE
NUMBER. CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME
WHAT IS THE 169 BASED ON?
>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
THAT IS HOW THE FIRE METHODOLOGY
HAD ESTABLISHED THE FORECAST .
THIS NEW METHODOLOGY ASSUMES
THAT THE DEPARTMENT WILL KEEP
HIRING AT THE PACE IT IS HIRING
AT NOW. SEPARATIONS WILL SLOW A
LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT IT HAD BEEN
FORECASTED. I BELIEVE IT WAS 14
PEOPLE PER MONTH THAT YOU ALL
ARE FORECASTING -- I WILL LET
DIRECTOR CEPA SEVEN SPEAK MORE
TO THIS.
>> CORRECT. WE SAW A DRAMATIC
UPTICK BEGINNING IN OCTOBER OF
LAST YEAR . WE LOOKED AT THE
SIX-MONTH INFORMATION WE HAD TO
USE A STRAIGHT-LINE AVERAGE , 14
PER MONTH IS WHAT WE RECEIVED.
WE CONTINUED THAT THROUGH THE
END-OF-THE-YEAR USING ACTUALS
FROM THE FIRST QUARTER PLUS THE
14 PER MONTH FOR APRIL THROUGH
DECEMBER TO GET TO THAT 169.
>> THANK YOU.
>> JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SOME
OF THIS IS INFORMATION WE JUST
TALKED ABOUT. UP AT THE TOP IT
TALKS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF FOLKS
THAT ARE ASSUMED UNDER THE LOW
AND HIGH END REJECTIONS AND HOW
THE METHODOLOGY WAS DETERMINED
OR USED TO PROJECT THOSE
NUMBERS. THE NEW INFORMATION ON
THIS SLIDE IS THE LAST BULLET
THAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
WHAT WAS IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET
AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY OCCURRING
AT THE LOW END AND AT THE HIGH
END TRANSLATES INTO A POTENTIAL
SHORTFALL OF ASK .8 MILLION FOR
THE LOW ESTIMATE AND UP TO 10
MILLION FOR THE HIGH ESTIMATE
FOR COSTS FOR THE ADDITIONAL
RECRUITS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT
IN. YOU WILL RECALL IN THE PAST
IT WAS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE .
SPD HAD HIRING TARGETS AND THEY
WERE FUNDED FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER
OF RECRUITS. THEY COULD NOT HIRE
HER ALL THE RECRUITS THEY WERE
FUNDED FOR AND THEY WERE SALARY
SAVINGS. NOW WE ARE IN THE
OPPOSITE SITUATION. THEY ARE
HIRING MORE RECRUITS THAN THEY
ARE FUNDED FOR AND AT THE END OF
THE YEAR THERE'S GOING TO BE A
DEFICIT IN SALARY FUNDING,
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 6.8 MILLION
AND 10 MILLION. CLOSER TO THE 10
MILLION, PROBABLY.
>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I HAVE
ONE QUESTION. IS THE EXECUTIVE
LOOKING -- . WE HAVE HAD SOME
ITEMS FROM GOVERNOR FERGUSON'S
PROPOSALS AND INCLUSION IN THE
BUDGET TO INCLUDE FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY, SPECIFICALLY POLICE
DEPARTMENTS . IS THIS SOMETHING
WE ARE LOOKING AT ON THE
EXECUTIVE SIDE?
>> WOULD HAVE BEEN MEETING
MONTHLY WITH THE EXECUTIVE TO
MONITOR THIS AND TO EXPLORE
DIFFERENT FUNDING STREAMS THAT
COULD POTENTIALLY OFFSET THE
SHORTFALL . ULTIMATELY,
INCLUDING LOOKING AT ANY
EXISTING SAVINGS IN THE
DEPARTMENT THAT COULD OFFSET
EXTERNAL SOURCES, IF POSSIBLE,
YEAH.
>> BY THE WAY, I ASKED THAT
QUESTION KNOWING THAT THE
DIRECTOR IS THE BETTER PERSON
--. LET'S SAY THIS IS A
QUESTION THAT THE DIRECTOR CAN
ASK OR ANSWER AT SOME POINT IN
THE NEAR FUTURE. I'M SURE HE IS
WATCHING RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING AND TALKING
WITH DIRECTOR CEPA SEVEN -- IT
IS UNLIKELY THAT THE DEPARTMENT
WILL ASK FOR A CIVIL MENTAL
APPROPRIATION IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE YEAR. YOU NORMALLY SEE
SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET ORDINANCE
AND IT MAY NOT OCCUR IN THAT
ORDINANCE THAT THEY ASK FOR
ADDITIONAL SIX OR 8 MILLION OR
10 MILLION, I SHOULD SAY. IT MAY
BE THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAITS
UNTIL THE CLOSER TO THE END OF
THE YEAR TO SEE HOW THE HIRING
HAS PLAYED OUT, WHETHER IT KEPT
UP AT THAT LEVEL OR WHETHER IT
HAS DECREASED. WE WILL KEEP YOU
POSTED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH
THESE QUARTERLY PRESENTATIONS
AND THE DATA , AND WE WILL SEE
HOW IT GOES.
>> I FEEL THE NEED TO KNOCK ON
WOOD. I DON'T WANT TO JUST
OURSELVES, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT
POINT. PLEASE CONTINUE.
>> NEXT SLIDE. I TALKED ABOUT
HOW THE COUNCIL IS HIRING , AND
HOW IT HELPED LEAD TO INCREASE
IN HIRING. THIS ORDINANCE
REQUIRED SEMIANNUAL REPORTING ON
THE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORT TO
RECRUIT AND RETAIN WOMEN . DUE
TO THE COUNCIL'S EXTENSIVE
INTEREST IN THIS TOPIC, I ADDED
THIS SLIDE WHICH BREAKS DOWN
SPD'S HIRES BY GENDER FOR THE
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS . IN THE
NEXT SLIDE, I WILL GO INTO SOME
INFORMATION ABOUT THE RATES OF
APPLICATIONS BETWEEN FEMALE,
MALE, AND OTHER HIRES , BUT ON
THIS SLIDE, I WILL START BY
SAYING THAT THE DEPARTMENT SAID
THAT IT HAS NOT IN ANY GIVEN
YEAR EXCEEDED ABOUT A 13% FEMALE
HIGHER RATE WHEN IT COMES TO
RECRUIT CLASSES. IN THIS SLIDE ,
IN 23-24 AND A PARTIAL YEAR FOR
2025, WE SEE THAT IT DOESN'T
EXCEED 14%. THE APPLICATION
RATES HAVE BEEN HOVERING AROUND
13 TO 14% AND THE HIRING RATES
HAVE BEEN AROUND THE SAME RATE.
IT IS THE CASE THAT SPD IS
HELPING THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE,
THERE ARE MORE APPLICATIONS AND
MORE WOMEN MOVING INTO THE
SYSTEM THAT COULD CREATE MORE
OPPORTUNITIES TO HIRE WOMEN AND
POTENTIALLY RAISE THE NUMBER OF
FEMALE HIRES IN EACH CLASS . AS
YOU WILL SEE IN THIS SECOND OR
FIRST BULLET, DOJ REPORTED IN
2022 THAT 80% OF ALL STARTING
LOCAL POLICE RECRUITS WERE MALE
AND 20% WERE FEMALE. THAT NUMBER
HAS BEEN INCREASING AND IT IS
THE CASE THAT SPD IS LOOKING TO
INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE AS WELL,
AND THERE HAVE BEEN POSITIVE
REMARKS BY CHIEF BARNES THAT HE
IS ASKING FOLKS TO TAKE A LOOK
AT EVERY CANDIDATE, EVERY FEMALE
CANDIDATE, A SECOND LOOK , AND
SPD HAS REPORTED THAT DEPUTY
CHIEF UNDERWOOD IS DOING THAT .
SHE IS LOOKING AT ALL FEMALES
THAT ARE DISQUALIFIED IN THE
PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
NOT MISSING SOMETHING. SPD HR IS
DOING A SEPARATE ANALYSIS
WHEREBY THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL
OF THE STEPS IN THE APPLICATION
PROCESS. YOU WILL SEE THAT ON
THE RIGHT. THEY WANT TO SEE IF
AT ANY ONE OF THOSE STEPS,
FEMALE APPLICANTS ARE OUT AT A
DISPROPORTIONATE RATE. IT IS THE
CASE THAT SPD IS TAKING A HARD
LOOK AT THEIR HIRING OF WOMEN
AND SEEING WHERE THEY MIGHT
IMPROVE THE PROCESS AND
ULTIMATELY MAKE MORE FEMALE
HIRES.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS ON
THIS POINT FROM MY COLLEAGUES?
THE ONE THING I NOTICED WHEN
LISTENING TO YOU IS , OVERALL
PAY , THERE IS A LOT OF
DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT IMPACT
THIS INCREASE IN APPLICATIONS ,
INCREASE OF BRINGING ON MORE
OFFICERS . WHAT STRIKES ME WITH
, SPECIFIC TO THE GOALS OF 30 BY
30 GOALS, THIS IS REALLY GOING
TO BE DEPENDENT ON LEADERSHIP,
DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP NOT JUST
LEADERSHIP DEMONSTRATED
LEADERSHIP THAT FILTERS DOWN
THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT , THAT
IS SHOWN TO BE HAVING MADE
CHANGES AND TO BE SUPPORTIVE AND
INCLUSIVE FOR WOMEN. JUST SOME
CHANGES , WHICH ARE IMPORTANT.
THAT IS ONE THING. I THINK AT
THE END, AND I WILL DEFER TO
COLLEAGUES AND OTHERS , THAT IS
MY SENSE AND AS SOMEONE WHO WENT
THROUGH THIS TRANSITION IN THE
NAVY, A TEXT THAT TIME AND
EFFORT, AND THAT IS CONSISTENT ,
DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP ON THIS
POINT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN
AFT -- ASK CHIEF BARNES. HE HAS
SPOKEN TO IT. THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE NEED TO BUILD ON. IN MY
TIME TALKING I SEE THAT MIGHT
VICE CHAIR HAS JUMPED ON. VICE
CHAIR SAKA?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR .
OVERALL, I WANT TO SAY I THINK
THIS IS VERY ENCOURAGING NEWS ON
THE OVERALL HIRING . SLIDE FIVE
, THERE IS AN ONGOING
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO BETTER
AS A CITY AND THE DEPARTMENT ,
MORE SPECIFICALLY, WITH RESPECT
TO HIRING AND RETENTION OF
POLICE -- FEMALE OFFICERS , AND
AS GREG NOTED EARLIER , THIS IS
A SIGNIFICANT ITEM OF COUNCIL
INTEREST BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE AND RIVERA AND I PARTNERED
TOGETHER TO INCLUDE SOME VERY
SUBSTANTIVE AND TANGIBLE
INVESTMENTS TO ADDRESS THIS
ISSUE AS WELL. I UNDERSTAND , IN
THAT LAST BULLET IT SAYS I'M
HISTORICALLY SPD RECRUIT CLASSES
HAVE NOT EXCEEDED 13%. I
UNDERSTAND HISTORY. WE ALL
DON'T NEED HISTORY LESSONS HERE
, BUT IF WE ARE EVER GOING TO
ACHIEVE OUR BIG OLD AMBITIOUS
GOALS , 30 BY 30, WE ARE GOING
TO HAVE TO MAKE , WE WILL HAVE
TO SHATTER HISTORY AND GREATLY
EXCEED IT , AT A BARE MINIMUM
HAVE ALL RECRUITING CLASSES BE
30% OR MORE , AT A BARE MINIMUM,
AND THAT STILL WON'T HELP US BY
2030 HAVE A DEPARTMENT. WE WILL
HAVE TO GET REALLY CREATIVE AND
WE ALREADY HAVE -- FROM A
COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING
FORWARD TO HEARING MORE OF THIS
SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT PLANT TO
BETTER ACHIEVE THIS GOAL AND
ALSO, MR. CHAIR, LATER THIS YEAR
WE COULD ASK THE EXECUTIVE TO
COMMENT LATER THIS YEAR ON HOW
THEY PLAN TO PARTNER WITH US OR
ADDRESS THIS AND HELP TO MAKE
BETTER PROGRESS. WE NEED TO MOVE
BEYOND HISTORY AND START SEEING
SOME PROGRESS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR.
>> THE NEXT SLIDE, I HAVE MORE
INFORMATION ON FEMALE HIRES.
WHAT THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU IS, AT
A HIGH LEVEL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
BOTTOM HIGHLIGHTED TOTAL COLUMN
COME AT A HIGH LEVEL NUMBER OF
APPLICANTS TO SPD, AND THESE ARE
APPLICANTS WHO HAVE PASSED
MINIMAL WHILE VACATIONS OR ARE
QUALIFIED TO SIT FOR THE EXAM.
THIS DATA WAS PROVIDED BY THE
PSC . AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL,
THERE WERE 1863 CANDIDATES IN
2023 THAT WERE ELIGIBLE TO SIT
FOR THE EXAM. THAT NUMBER MOVED
CLOSE TO 4000 IN 2024 AND IT IS
ALREADY HEADED IN 2025 SURPASS
LAST YEAR'S TOTAL . WHAT YOU
SEE, EVEN THOUGH THERE HASN'T
BEEN A HUGE CHANGE IN THE NUMBER
OF FEMALE APPLICANTS, IF YOU
LOOK UNDER GENDER, YOU WILL SEE
THAT FEMALE IN THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS HAS BEEN 13.6, 13.7.
THERE IS A BIG CHANGE IN THE
ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS.
IT WENT FROM 253 FEMALE
APPLICANTS IN 2023 TO 542 LAST
YEAR. WITH THE INCREASE IN
BODIES, SO TO SPEAK, PEOPLE
APPLYING TO THE FORCE, THERE IS
A GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO
INCREASE DIVERSITY , AND THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT SPD HAS FOCUSED
ON IN THE PAST. IN 2023, AND IN
2024, THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN
THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OF
COLOR THAT WERE APPLIED TO THE
DEPARTMENT, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT
IN THE DATA HERE. OVER THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS, SPD WITH A
CONCERTED EFFORT HAS INCREASED
THE NUMBER OF HIRES OF PEOPLE OF
COLOR FROM 57.8% OF HIRES IN
2020 FOR UP TO 51.3 -- I'M SORRY
, UP FROM MUCH LOWER THAN ABOUT
A THIRD TO 57.8 AND THEN 51.3
THIS YEAR. WHAT I GUESS THIS
SHOWS IS THAT WHEN MORE PEOPLE
ARE MAKING APPLICATION AND SPD
MAKES A CONCERTED EFFORT IN AN
AREA TO BROADEN DIVERSITY, THEY
HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. I THOUGHT
THAT WAS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO
POINT OUT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A SLIDE
THAT I TYPICALLY INCLUDE IN ALL
OF MY PRESENTATIONS, AND THIS IS
TO SHOW HOW STAFFING IS CHANGING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND BROKEN
DOWN BY PRECINCT. WHAT YOU SEE
HERE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND
CORNER, 490 TOTAL STAFF IS
EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST
YEAR. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE HUGE
INCREASE IN HIRING BUT THAT
TAKES A WHILE TO TRANSLATE INTO
COPS ON THE STREET. THIS PICTURE
HASN'T CHANGED VERY MUCH EXCEPT
FOR A COUPLE OF OFFICERS MOVING
BETWEEN THE VARIOUS PRECINCTS
HERE AND ADDRESS OPERATIONAL
NEEDS THAT THE CHIEF MAKES. SO,
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE UNLESS
THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS
JUST THE HISTORY OF PRECINCT
STAFFING . AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT
I SHOW IN EVERY PRESENTATION,
NOT MUCH CHANGE SINCE MARCH OF
2024, ONLY 490 IN ALL OF PATROL.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
THE MOST INTERESTING THING IN
THIS SLIDE IS, IF YOU LOOK BACK
TO SEPTEMBER OF 2020, THERE ARE
690 -- 694 PEOPLE IN PATROL,
HISTORICALLY , AND THERE WERE
ABOUT 668 , I BELIEVE, THAT WERE
IN 91 RESPONSE. THE DIFFERENCE ,
SOME 26 PERSONNEL WERE DEPLOYED
ON BIKES, BEETS, FOOT BEATS AND
COULD DO OTHER PROACTIVE WORK
LIKE ANTICRIME TEAMWORK , AND
THOSE OFFICERS HAVE REALLY BEEN
ELIMINATED . THERE ARE STILL ONE
FOOT BEAT THAT IS FUNDED IN THE
WEST PRECINCT THAT DOES PURELY
PROACTIVE PATROL, BUT ALL OTHER
PROACTIVE PATROL IS MOSTLY
FUNDED ON OVERTIME. THE GOOD
NEWS IS, WITH THE INFLUX OF
OFFICERS OVER THE NEXT FEW
YEARS, HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE
THE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE AN
ABILITY TO ADD BACK SOME OF
THOSE PROACTIVE RESOURCES WITH
ANTICRIME TEAMS OR FOOT BEATS OR
BIKE BEATS .
>> THANK YOU. WITH A FEW
QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER MOORE?
>> THANK YOU. AM I
MISUNDERSTANDING THIS , THAT OUR
NUMBERS OF OFFICERS HAVE GONE
DOWN IN 911 RESPONSE ONLY ,
SIGNIFICANTLY FROM 2020?
>> YES, THE NUMBER OF 911
OFFICERS HAVE GONE DOWN FROM A
HIGH OF 591 IN 2020 DOWN TO 403
THIS YEAR.
>> I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW
THAT WORKS WITH THE FACT, I
THOUGHT WE WERE LEVEL IN TERMS
OF HIRING AND LOSS, AND YET THIS
SEEMS TO SHOW A RATHER
SIGNIFICANT LOSS. WE PLATEAUED
AND NOW WE ARE EQUAL WITH HIRING
AND RETIREMENT?
>> IN THOSE YEARS, BETWEEN
SEPTEMBER 2020 AND DECEMBER
2023, THAT'S WHEN THE
DEPARTMENT LOST 350 OFFICERS .
IT WAS THE CASE THAT THE CHIEF ,
CHIEFS AT THOSE TIMES TRY TO
HOLD PATROL HARMLESS AND REDUCE
OTHER AREAS OF THE DEPARTMENT ,
BUT THEY WERE NOT CAPABLE OF
DOING THAT ENTIRELY. PATROL DID
GO DOWN. I MIGHT BE MISSING YOUR
QUESTION.
>> MY QUESTION IS, IT SEEMS WE
LOST OFFICERS AND YET SOME OF
THE DATA WE HAVE SAYS WE ARE
EQUAL IN TERMS OF LOSS AND
RECRUITMENT.
>> THAT IS TRUE IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE AGAIN,
THE CHIEF HAS MADE AN EFFORT TO
TRY TO HOLD PATROL AS HARMLESS
AS POSSIBLE.
>> ARE WE LOSING OFFICERS OR
NOT?
>> WE ARE NO LONGER LOSING
OFFICERS . WE HAD BEEN LOSING
OFFICERS UP UNTIL LAST YEAR AND
NOW THAT CURVE HAS COMPLETELY
CHANGED. IT JUST HASN'T CHANGED
IN THE NUMBERS HERE YET BECAUSE
, AS I SAID BEFORE, THEY HAVE TO
GO TO THE ACADEMY AND THEN FTO.
WE ARE SORT OF TRYING TO STAND
STILL RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WILL BE
GROWING .
>> AND 2026, WE ARE LOOKING TO
SEE THAT NUMBER GO UP?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ANYTHING FURTHER? THIS IS
WHAT I OFTEN CALL THIS BRIDGING
MOMENT. WE ARE IN THIS BRIDGING
MOMENT WHERE WE ARRESTED THE
FALL, WE HELD STEADY AND NOW WE
ARE LOOKING LIKE WE WILL BE
INCREASING, BUT TO YOUR POINT IT
TAKES ONE YEAR TO GROW A COP. WE
ARE IN THIS BRIDGING MOMENT THAT
WE ARE IN AND ARE TRYING TO GET
FROM A TO B. THIS IS A POINT
WERE OFTEN TIMES IN THE
COMMUNITY, WHEN I'M TALKING TO
BUSINESSES AND THE LIKE I SAY
THANK YOU FOR HAVING PRIVATE
SECURITY AND THE GOAL IS TO GET
TO THE POINT WHERE THEY DON'T
NEED IT. THIS IS PART OF THE
VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY BUT WE
CAN'T GET THERE YET, PARTLY DUE
TO THE POINT YOU NOTED, IT TAKES
TIME TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION.
THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THIS
POINT. COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON
AND THEN RIVERA.
>> THIS IS A RELATED QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR CHARACTERIZING ,
CHAIR, THE MOMENT WE ARE IN AS
THE BRIDGE. MY FIRST QUESTION
IS, HOW LONG DOES THE BRIDGE
LAST? CAN WE ASSUME IT IS AT
LEAST TWO QUARTERS OR PERHAPS
THREE? I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A
PIPELINE . THAT IS MY FIRST
QUESTION AND THE ANSWER ISN'T
EXACT, BUT BALLPARK, WHEN COULD
WE SEE A SURGE. MY OTHER
QUESTION IS, DOES SPD HAVE AN
IDEAL RATIO FOR THE NUMBER OF
OFFICERS AT A PRECINCT TO MAKE
THE DECISION TO RETURN TO THE
BEAT PATROLS? I ASK BECAUSE
EVERY TIME I'M OUT TALKING TO
SMALL BUSINESSES OR EVEN
NEIGHBORHOODS IN GENERAL , WHAT
THEY MISS IS SEEING AN OFFICER
ON FOOT, ON THE BEAT, THAT
BUILDS RELATIONSHIPS AND ALSO
BUILT CONFIDENCE IN THE MIND OF
THE PUBLIC THAT THE OFFICER DOES
KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON DAY TO
DAY. WHAT IS THE MAGIC, OR
STANDARD , WHEN IT COMES TO
TAKING OFFICERS OUT OF A CAR AND
PUTTING THEM ON THE STREET?
>> I'M GOING TO PASS OFF TO MY
COLLEAGUE, DIRECTOR SOCCI . SHE
KNOWS STAFFING VERY WELL AND HAS
A LONG HISTORY WITH THE
DEPARTMENT. I THINK SHE IS IN A
BETTER PLACE TO ANSWER THAT.
>> AS FAR AS I WOULD SAY , RIGHT
NOW CURRENT STAFFING DOESN'T
ALLOW FOR IT. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR
PRECINCT RELYING ON OVERTIME TO
MEET MINIMUM STAFFING
REQUIREMENTS. OUR DEPLOYMENT
ANALYSIS IS BASED ON WORKLOAD.
CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT ARE
COMING IN AND THE BEST WAY TO
MEASURE WHEN YOU HAVE REACHED
THAT POINT IS TO LOOK AT THE
PERFORMANCE METRICS AROUND 911
RESPONSE. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH
OFFICERS AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO
911 CALLS, IDEALLY WITHIN A
SEVEN MINUTE RESPONSE TIME OR
PRIORITY ONE. WE ARE ABLE TO DO
OUR PERFORMANCE ANALYTICS AND
RESEARCH TEAM AND THEY ARE ABLE
TO EVALUATE THAT AND DETERMINE
WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. WE CAN
CALIBRATE TO THAT NUMBER COME
HISTORICALLY WAS 550 OFFICERS
THAT WERE NEEDED. WE HAVE SINCE
SHIFTED TO FOR 10 SCHEDULE, FOUR
DAYS ON, 10 HOUR SHIFTS WERE
PATROL OFFICERS. IT ALSO PLAYS A
ROLL IN DICTATING HOW MANY
OFFICERS YOU NEED TO STAFF A
SHIFT SAFELY, AND SO WE ARE ABLE
TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. AT THAT
POINT ONCE YOU HAD THAT NUMBER,
THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE ABLE TO
IDENTIFY OFFICERS FOR SPECIALTY
FUNCTIONS. WE ARE PERFORMING ON
AN OVERTIME BASIS RIGHT NOW.
SOME OF THOSE , THE FOOT BEATS
AND TARGETED WORK IN THE
DOWNTOWN CORE, WE ARE DEPLOYING
PEOPLE ON AN OVERTIME BASIS AT
THIS POINT. IT IS IN THE FORM OF
AUGMENTATION.
>> THANK YOU. THE ANSWER I HEARD
WAS IT'S GOING TO BE A WILD.
>> YES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
THE ENTIRE TERM OF THIS COUNCIL
THAT STARTED IN JANUARY 24, WITH
THE INCREASED NUMBERS, I'M
WONDERING IF WE CAN AGAIN KEEP
THAT MOMENTUM GOING , THAT THIS
BRIDGE WILL NOT BE AS LONG AS
THE FULL TERM OF THIS COUNCIL ,
AND INSTEAD BE SHORTER.
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SIT
IN ON THIS COMMITTEE. THANK YOU,
GREG AND ANGELA FOR THE
INFORMATION. I FEEL AS THOUGH WE
ARE OFTEN LOOKING BACK, AND IT
DOESN'T REALLY PORTRAY WHAT IS
CURRENTLY HAPPENING BECAUSE THIS
GOES THROUGH APRIL AND I ALSO
KNOW THAT -- AND NOT BUT, AND I
ALSO KNOW THAT I WILL SAY, IN
THE NORTH PRECINCT, CAPTAIN
DAVISON HAS ADDED SOME BIKE
PATROLS , I THINK IT IS
VOLUNTARILY, BUT IT IS HAPPENING
AT MEDICINE PARK AND NEW
DISTRICT. I'M SO APPRECIATIVE
OF HIS EFFORTS. THE INFORMATION
PRESENTED TODAY DOESN'T
NECESSARILY REFLECT WHAT IS
HAPPENING THIS MONTH , AND I
SUSPECT THE NEXT TIME YOU COME
TO UPDATE US, IT WILL INCLUDE
WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY. IT IS
HARD TO GET THE INFORMATION TO
BE LOOKING BACK, BECAUSE LIKE I
SAID, IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF
WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE ROUND
TODAY, AND THAT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC. WE
KNOW WE ARE GETTING INFORMATION.
YOU CAN ONLY GIVE INFORMATION UP
TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND IT
ALWAYS IS A LOOK BACK. THE
PUBLIC DOESN'T ALWAYS -- THEY
GET CONFUSED WHY WE ARE SAYING
WE DON'T HAVE BIKE PATROLS, BUT
WE ACTUALLY HAVE STARTED SOME ,
AND SO I ALWAYS THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT,
CHAIR, BECAUSE FOLKS NEED TO
KNOW THIS WORK IS PICKING UP .
EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT HAVE A
DATE BY WHICH WE ARE GOING TO BE
FULLY STAFFED, LET'S SAY BIKE
OR FOOT PATROL. IT IS STARTING
TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE
NUMBERS, BECAUSE THE OUTLOOK IS
POSITIVE ON A NUMBER OF
OFFICERS. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. OUR LAST
CHAIR, TO GOING THROUGH THE
METRO CHAMFERS INDEX SLIDES ,
CONCLUDE WITH THE 40 POINT
DIFFERENTIAL AND THE IMPORTANCE
OF EXPECTATIONS MANAGEMENT. WE
CANNOT GET WOUND UP RELATED TO
THESE POSITIVE NUMBERS. WE HAVE
TO KEEP THE EXPECTATIONS WHERE
THEY NEED TO BE. THANK YOU FOR
THAT REINFORCING POINT.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU,
BOTH.
>> GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. JUST TO HIGHLIGHT
THE POINTS YOU ARE MAKING,
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, YES THERE
ARE INDEED BIKE BEATS AND THERE
ARE FOOT BEATS THAT ARE BEING
FUNDED , THAT ARE OUT THERE, BUT
THEY ARE BEING FUNDED ON
OVERTIME. AND SO, NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS WHERE YOU REALLY SEE
THAT. YOU SEE THE DEPARTMENT HAS
BEEN WORKING WITH CONSTRAINTS
STAFFING RESOURCES OVER THE LAST
FEW YEARS, BUT AS THIS SLIDE
SHOWS, THE BUDGET AND THE
DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPENDED
ON OVERTIME HAVE BEEN GROWING
EACH YEAR AS THE DEPARTMENT HAS
TRIED TO MEET THE NEEDS ON THE
GROUND . HERE WE GO. SO, I WILL
START OUT BY SAYING THAT IN THE
PAST, WE HAVE PROVIDED A MORE
DETAILED LOOK AT OVERTIME DOWN
TO THE ACTIVITY LEVEL AND WE
WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU
EXACTLY HOW MUCH WAS BEING SPENT
ON OVERTIME ON BIKE OR FOOT
BEATS OR INVESTIGATIONS OR OTHER
KINDS OF OVERTIME ACTIVITIES .
UNFORTUNATELY, THE DEPARTMENT IS
IN THE PROCESS OF SWITCHING ITS
SYSTEMS. THEY ARE STILL TRACKING
OVERTIME BUT AS THEY MOVE INTO A
NEW TIME AND ACCOUNTING SYSTEM
THAT WAS FUNDED AND IS BEING
IMPLEMENTED, THEY ARE IN A
TRANSITION PERIOD. I CAN'T GO
DOWN TO THAT LOW LEVEL AS I HAVE
IN THE PAST. BUT I CAN GIVE YOU
A HIGH-LEVEL PICTURE OF HOW THE
DEPARTMENTS OVERTIME SPENDING IS
MATCHING TO ITS BUDGET AND SOME
INDICATION OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK
LIKE IN THE FUTURE. AND SO, AS
YOU CAN SEE WITH THE FIRST
BULLET COME SPD'S OVERTIME
BUDGET HAS BEEN INCREASING . YOU
WILL SEE FROM 26,000 TO 53,000,
IT IS MORE THAN DOUBLED IN THE
LAST FEW YEARS. WHAT'S
IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT THE
DOLLARS HAVE INCREASED BECAUSE
THERE HAVE BEEN AGREEMENTS WITH
THE SEATTLE POLICE OFFICERS
KILLED , TWO MAJOR AGREEMENTS,
ONE THAT PROVIDED THE 23% SALARY
INCREASE AND THAT IS LEADING OR
HELPING WITH A NUMBER OF THAT
RECRUITING EFFORTS THAT THE
DEPARTMENT HAS AND THEN MOU THAT
PROVIDES A $225 PREMIUM FOR
OVERTIME SHIFTS THAT OFFICERS
SIGN UP FOR. IN THAT MOU, THEY
GET TIME AND A HALF FOR THE
SPECIAL EVENT THEY WORK AND THEY
GET THAT $225 PREMIUM . THE GOOD
NEWS HERE IN TERMS OF TRACKING
THE OVERTIME IS THAT THE BUDGET
OFFICE HAD DONE A LITTLE BIT
MORE OF A REALISTIC LOOK LAST
TIME AND INSTEAD OF JUST
MATCHING THE PRIOR YEAR, THEY
HAVE INCREASED THE 2025 OVERTIME
BUDGET AND IT IS NOW $53
MILLION, AND THAT WAS REALLY IN
ANTICIPATION OF ADDITIONAL
OVERTIME SPENDING. THEY DID A
GOOD JOB . RIGHT NOW IT IS THE
CASE THAT SPD IS SPENDING ABOUT
20% OF ITS BUDGET IN THE FIRST
QUARTER AND THAT IS ABOUT ,
HISTORICALLY, WHERE THEY HAVE
BEEN IN SPENDING IN THE FIRST
QUARTER, THE DIFFERENCE BEING
THAT IN PRIOR QUARTERS THEY
DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH BUDGET TO
COVER. I WILL STOP AND ASK IF
THERE IS ENOUGH QUESTIONS ON
THAT.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. NOT A
QUESTION BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY
THAT MOU, THAT $225 PREMIUM THAT
WAS THE AGREEMENT THAT WE
REACHED TO ALLOW FOR CARE ,
CORRECT?
>> YES, IT DID A COUPLE OF
THINGS. L ALLOWED FOR CARE TEAMS
TO RESPOND TO RESPOND, MUTUAL
RESPECT WITH SPD AND ALLOWED FOR
MORE USE OF PEO'S AND CIVILIANS
IN SPECIAL EVENTS.
>> THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE CLEAR
THAT'S HOW WE ARE FUNDING , HOW
WE WERE ABLE TO FUND THE
ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE.
>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT
UP. I SHOULD NOTE A COUPLE
THINGS. THAT MOU DOES EXPIRE AT
THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND THERE
ARE ACTIVE TALKS ABOUT HOW
SPECIAL EVENTS WILL CONTINUE TO
BE MANAGED THROUGH THIS YEAR AND
NEXT YEAR, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE
FIFA EVENTS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE , FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT
POINT.
>> GOING TO THE NEXT LIGHT --
SLIDE , CITYWIDE RESPONSE TIMES
, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE
IS THAT THE GOAL OF SEVEN
MINUTES OF A MEDIAN RESPONSE
TIME, THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN
ABLE TO MOVE MUCH CLOSER TO
SINCE LAST YEAR. IF YOU SEE THE
CHART, LAST YEAR IT WAS 7.9 AND
THIS YEAR IT IS SEVEN. THE
REASON FOR THAT, PRIMARILY, IS
BECAUSE SPD DID A
RE-PRIORITIZATION EXERCISE WHERE
THEY LOOKED AT ALL OF THE CALLS
IN PRIORITY ONE PRIORITY TWO AND
PRIORITY THREE AND DETERMINED
WHETHER OR NOT THE MAJORITY OF
THE CALLS IN THOSE
CLASSIFICATIONS WERE ACTUALLY A
SIGNIFICANT LEVEL OF EMERGENCY
OR DANGER THAT THEY REQUIRED ,
THAT THEY SHOULD STAY IN THOSE
CATEGORIES. WHAT THEY FOUND WAS,
AND LOOKING AT SEVERAL PRIORITY
ONE CALLS, CALLS THAT TYPICALLY
HAD BEEN CATEGORIZED AS PRIORITY
ONE, AND THE DISPATCHER OR THE
CALL TAKER TALKED TO THE CALLER,
THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT
THE CALLER MIGHT NOT BE IN
DANGER FROM EITHER HARMING
THEMSELVES OR HARMING OTHERS ,
OR THAT MAYBE WHATEVER DANGER
HAD BEEN CALLED ABOUT LIKES TO A
BURGLARY , WAS NO LONGER
PRESENT. THE PERSON HAD LEFT THE
SCENE AND THE CALLER WAS SECURE.
IN SUCH CASES, THEY WERE ABLE TO
REDUCE SOME OF THOSE CALLS DOWN
TO A PRIORITY TWO. AND SO,
REDUCING AND CHANGING THE CALL
TYPES ALLOWED THEM TO , THE
METHOD OF IT, WORKED OUT SUCH
THAT THE RESPONSE TIMES GOT
BETTER. AND THEN, THIS SORT OF
LEADS TO A NATURAL QUESTION.
OKAY, IF THERE ARE NOW MORE
PRIORITY TWO CALLS, HOW COME
THOSE CALLS ARE GETTING BETTER.
AND IN TERMS OF RESPONSE TIME.
AND WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS TOLD
ME IS THEY HYPOTHESIZE THAT
IT'S WHAT THEY CALL THE CARE
EFFECT. IT IS THE EFFECT OF
HAVING A FULLY STAFFED CARE UNIT
OUT ANSWERING CALLS WITH SPD .
THEY CAN'T ANSWER THE CALL
DIRECTLY BUT SPD CAN CALL THEM
TO COME TO THE SCENE AND THEN
SPD OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO TURN
THOSE SCENES OVER TO RESPONDERS
TO HELP THEM, HELP THE CALLER
NAVIGATE RESOURCES . THEN SPD
OFFICERS CAN LOG BACK INTO THE
SYSTEM AND CAN START ANSWERING
911 CALLS AGAIN. THE REDUCTION
IN WORKLOAD IS WHAT SPD BELIEVES
IS INTERBREEDING TO THE BETTER
RESPONSE TIMES. THAT IS WHAT
THEY ARE CURRENTLY STUDYING AND
HOPE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A
FINAL ANSWER ON SOON. I WILL
STOP THERE AND ASK IF THERE ARE
ANY QUESTIONS.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE HAS
JUMPED IN.
>> THANK YOU. I'M CURIOUS TO
WHETHER THE IMPROVEMENT IN
RESPONSE TIMES IS THAT ALL , IF
YOU ARE ABLE TO TELL WHETHER IT
IS ALL CONNECTED TO REDUCED RATE
OF REPORTING CRIMES? THE SPD
CRIME DASHBOARD IS SHOWING A
DROP IN REPORTED CRIMES IN THE
FIRST QUARTER.
>> THERE IS PROBABLY A
RELATIONSHIP THERE. WE WILL HAVE
TO GET BACK TO YOU. IF THEY ARE
SHOWING FEWER CALLS, THAT WOULD
HAVE AN IMPACT. I DON'T KNOW,
WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS ,
HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT OR HOW
MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE THAT MIGHT
MAKE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO
RAISE, AND OFTEN TIMES IT'S
IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT VIOLENT
CRIME VERSUS PROPERTY CRIME.
THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU DO SEE
THAT SHIFT , AND THE IMPACT IS
REAL. WE CANNOT FORGET THE
PROPERTY CRIME. VIOLENT CRIME
BEING IMPORTANT AND YOU TO
HAVE THE ONSE, THOSE NUMBERS
ARE MORE
PRCRIME PIECE IS ALSO
IMPORTANT. THIS IS A GOOD PLACE
TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. THIS GOES TO
THE STAFFING LONG-TERM, AS WELL.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MOORE.
>> NEXT SLIDE , PLEASE. I
REALIZED THIS TABLE IS NOT ONE
THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW. YOU
CAN'T DO ANY KIND OF ANALYSIS.
I PROVIDED THIS DATA , THE
DETAILED DATA AND WAY TOO MANY
WORDS ON THE SLIDES, BUT THE
GOAL IS THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING
YOU CAN TAKE AWAY BOTH MEMBERS
AND THE PUBLIC FOR THE WEBSITE
THAT PROVIDES INFORMATION YOU
ARE LOOKING FOR. THIS IS
OBVIOUSLY A HISTORY BY PRECINCT
BETWEEN 2022 AND 2025 OF
RESPONSE TIMES . SIMILAR TO WHAT
WE JUST DISCUSSED, ALL RESPONSE
TIMES ARE LOOKING BETTER UNDER
THIS NEW METHODOLOGY. THE NORTH
PRECINCT CONTINUES TO HAVE THE
SLOWEST RESPONSE TIMES DUE TO
GEOGRAPHY. NOT MUCH TO ADHERE.
AND THEN IF THERE ARE NO
QUESTIONS, I WILL HIT THE
SUMMARY. THE TAKEAWAY HERE ,
AGAIN, SPD IS HIRING AT AN
UNPRECEDENTED PACE . IT WILL
INCREASE ITS FORCE BY AT LEAST
34 OFFICERS, NOT THE 15 THAT
THEY HAD PROJECTED EVEN SIX
MONTHS AGO. AT LEAST 34. A MORE
ACCURATE PROJECTION MIGHT MEAN
THAT THEY COULD REACH AS MANY AS
76 NEW OFFICERS. 76 NEW OFFICERS
IS GOING TO GO A LONG WAY
TOWARDS REPLENISHING THE 350
OFFICERS THAT HAVE LEFT OVER THE
LAST FEW YEARS. AS I SAID
BEFORE, SPD IS NOT LIKELY TO ASK
FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET AT
MIDYEAR. IT MAY BE THAT THEY DO
SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT
THEY ARE MONITORING THE
SITUATION AND WILL ADJUST
ACCORDINGLY. SECOND BULLET , SPD
AND THE MAYOR'S STAFF ARE
TAKING TANGIBLE STEPS TO
INCREASE THE HIRING OF WOMEN. WE
TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT,
LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS STEPS,
SEEING IF THERE IS ANY
DISPROPORTIONATE LOSS. CHIEF
UNDERWENT ANALYSIS OF THE
DISQUALIFICATIONS . OBVIOUSLY,
THERE IS GOING TO BE A DELAY IN
THE AFFECTS THAT ARE -- IN
SEEING IN THE DATA WHAT WE KNOW
IS HAPPENING NOW AND SEEING
BETTER RIGHTS OF WOMAN HIRES IN
THE FUTURE. AND SO, MOVING
ALONG, SPD HAS SPENT 20% OF
OVERTIME BUDGET FOR THE FIRST
QUARTER. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
THAT SPD HAS BEEN ON TRACK , NOT
OVERSPENDING IS OVERTIME BUDGET,
AND I THINK THAT IS DUE TO THE
FACT THAT CBO RAISED THE BUDGET
A LITTLE BIT IN ANTICIPATION OF
THE NEED , AND THAT IS TRACKING
ABOUT WHERE THE DEPARTMENT WOULD
HOPE IT WOULD BE. LASTLY, THE
911 TIMES HAVE BEEN IMPROVED AND
THAT'S RELATED TO THAT
RE-CATEGORIZATION AND ANALYSIS
OF CALL TYPES , AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU
MORE WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT
FINDS OUT IT IS INDEED WHAT THEY
CALLED THE CARE EFFECT, THAT IS
HELPING WITH THOSE RESPONSE
TIMES.
>> THANK YOU. MISS SOCCI TO ADD
OR CONCLUDE?
>> I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OUR
INCREASE RETENTION AS WELL .
HIRING IS PLAYING A BIG PART IN
THAT NET 76 OFFICERS THAT WE
COULD HIT THIS YEAR , BUT SO IS
RETENTION. WE ARE SEEING A
DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF FULLY
TRAINED OFFICER SEPARATING FROM
THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH LOOKING
BACK, WE HAD ABOUT FOUR YEARS OF
NET DECREASE , AND SO HIRING AND
RETENTION GOES INTO THAT WE ARE
ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT ARE FULLY
TRAINED OFFICERS ARE DECIDING TO
STAY AND CONTINUE TO SERVE IN
THE CITY OF SEATTLE.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT?
>> I HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT
QUESTIONS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
I WANT TO GET AT IS, THIS NOTION
, A NARRATIVE THAT POPPED UP
WHEN DOING THAT COUNCIL BILL
THAT RESTRUCTURED RECRUITING AND
THROUGH A STAFF MEMBER HR TO
REACH OUT TO NEW APPLICATIONS .
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER BUT
IT WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCIL .
THERE WAS SOME THINKING THAT WE
WERE SOMEHOW LOWERING STANDARDS
OR THAT WOULD BE A RESULT IF WE
WENT FROM ONE EXAM TYPE TO
ANOTHER EXAM. THERE STILL IS
THAT LINGERING QUESTION, I
BELIEVE OUT THERE, WE ARE HIRING
MORE OFFICERS BECAUSE WE ARE
LOWERING STANDARDS. HERE ARE MY
QUESTIONS. YOU CAN SAY YES OR
NO. HAVE WE CHANGED THE WRITTEN
EXAM?
>> NO, WE HAVE NOT.
>> HAVE WE CHANGED THE ORAL
BOARDS?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I DON'T
BELIEVE SO.
>> I CAN CONFIRM.
>> ARE WE STILL DOING
POLYGRAPHS?
>> YES.
>> AND PHYSICAL EXAMS? ANYTHING
CHANGED BY THE PHYSICAL EXAM?
MIKE I KNOW THE PHYSICAL EXAM
HAS BEEN, THEY HAVE RE-EVALUATED
WHAT IS NECESSARY AND THE EXAM
HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST FEW
YEARS. I DON'T HAVE THE
SPECIFICS. I WILL HAVE TO GET
BACK TO YOU.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER
VARIABLES ARE INVOLVED IN THE
HIRING DECISIONS, BUT I JUST
TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE MAIN
HURDLES THAT ONE HAS TO GET OVER
TO GET HIRED BY SPD. I'M NOT
HEARING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
MAYBE IF THERE ARE DIFFERENCES
THAT YOU CAN GET TO ME THAT
WOULD VERIFY OR CONTRADICT THAT
NARRATIVE, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW.
I'M NOT SEEING THAT THERE IS A
LOWERING OF STANDARDS BASED ON
WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN THE
OBJECTIVE CRITERIA.
>> I THINK ALL OF THE STEPS THAT
I PROVIDED IN ONE OF THE
PREVIOUS SLIDE ARE ALL STILL
THERE. I THINK THE DEPARTMENT
CONSTANTLY LOOKS AT WHAT THEY
ARE EVALUATING WHEN THEY ARE
TAKING CANDIDATES THROUGH EACH
STEP , AND THEY CONSTANTLY WILL
ADAPT THE MEASURES TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY ARE GETTING THE BEST
PEOPLE POSSIBLE FOR THE JOB. IN
THE SENSE OF LOWERING OF
STANDARDS, NOTHING IN THOSE
STEPS HAS CHANGED AND THEY ARE
ALL STILL MOVING TO ALL OF THE
STEPS. IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER
OR NOT SOMEONE QUALIFIES WITH
TODAY'S MEASURES AND I WILL GET
YOU BACK INFORMATION ON THE
P.A.T. AND WHETHER THAT HAS
CHANGED.
>> THANK YOU. I SEE THAT YOU
WANT TO ADD, I WOULD NOT EXPECT
THERE WOULD BE A LOWERING. I'M
JUST TRYING TO EVALUATE SUCH A
NARRATIVE ON MY OWN. GO AHEAD.
>> I WANT TO ADD , A GOOD
INDICATOR OF THE QUALITY OF
APPLICANTS IS GOING TO BE HOW
MANY ARE ACTUALLY BECOMING
POLICE OFFICERS AND COMPLETING
OUR TRAINING PROCESS. GETTING
INTO THE ACADEMY IS ONE THING
BUT THEN ACTUALLY COMPLETING THE
ACADEMY , COMPLETING YOUR FIELD
TRAINING AND PROBATION , THAT
GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE
AN ACTION , THE CANDIDATES THAT
HAVE BEEN HIRED. FOR 2025, YOUR
TO DATE, WE ALWAYS EXPECT A
LEVEL OF TURNOVER. POLICING IS
NOT FOR EVERYONE AND SO WE
EXPECT UP TO 25 TO 30% TURNOVER
IN THOSE INITIAL PHASES, PHASE
ONE RECRUITING, PHASE TWO FIELD
TRAINING, YOUR TO DATE IN 2025
WE HAVE ONLY LOST 16% OF OUR
STUDENT OFFICERS AND I THINK
THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE
QUALITY OF APPLICANTS WE ARE
BRINGING IN AND ARE ACTUALLY
COMPLETING THE FIELD TRAINING
AND ARE CONTINUING ON IN THAT
INITIAL ON BOARDING PROCESS,
WHICH IS CHALLENGING FOR
EVERYONE.
>> HOW DOES 16% COMPARED TO PAST
TRENDS?
>> PAST TRENDS , LET'S SEE ,
LOOKING AT A THREE-YEAR AVERAGE
, ABOUT 20% WE ARE SEPARATING AT
THE STUDENT OFFICER LEVEL.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
YOU WILL FIND THAT THINGS HAVE
BEEN THE SAME IN TERMS OF
MAINTAINING STANDARDS. THE ONLY
THING THAT HAS BEEN DONE ,
CHANGE WISE IS TO ACCOMMODATE
THOSE WHO ARE APPLYING FROM
OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY IN
TERMS OF SUBMITTING TEST RESULTS
AND SO FORTH. I DON'T THINK
ANYTHING HAS CHANGED. WHAT HAS
CHANGED IS HOW WE DO THE
BUSINESS. THIS GOES TO THE
RECRUITING REFORM BILL IN
ADDITION TO THE INTERIM
AGREEMENT . THOSE ARE REALLY THE
IMPORTANT PIECES, PLUS THE
ADDITIONAL FTES FOR THE
RECRUITMENT TEAM AND SPD, SOLELY
AND SPD , BUT ALSO WITH THE
PUBLIC SAFETY CIVIL SERVICE
COMMISSION, I THINK ALL OF THESE
POINTS PUT TOGETHER SHOW THAT
MORE CONTACT POINTS, THE
INCREASE TESTING CYCLES, ALL OF
THOSE PIECES COME TOGETHER WELL.
I HAD COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA NEXT
BUT I SEE COUNCILMEMBER MOORE .
>> I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE. I ACTUALLY
HAVE A QUESTION ON SLIDE 13 IN
TERMS OF THE NORTH PRECINCT
CONTINUING HAVE THE LOWEST
RESPONSE TIMES. I WOULD LOVE TO
HEAR, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO
IMPROVE THE RESPONSE TIMES IN
THE NORTH PRECINCT? IT IS THE
BIGGEST PRECINCT IN THE CITY AND
I CONTINUE, AND I KNOW
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE AS WELL HAS
CONTINUED TO BE CONCERNED BY THE
DIFFICULTY IN GETTING THE
RESPONSE TIMES. WE HAVE SAID
MULTIPLE TIMES, THEY NEED
SUPPORT IN THE NORTH PRECINCT.
THE OFFICERS AND THE CAPTAIN DO.
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HELP
PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT? IF YOU
DON'T KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE
A CONVERSATION.
>> I CAN GIVE ONE POINT ON THAT
AND THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO
DIRECTOR SOCCI TO SEE IF SHE
WANTS TO ADD. WHEN IMMEDIATE
POINT I TALK ABOUT THE CARE
FACTOR AND HOW THE ASSISTANCE
CARE TEAM IS PROVIDING OFFICERS
ARE FREEING UP OFFICERS TO
RESPOND TO CALLS QUICKER. OTHER
CALLS QUICKER. IT IS THE CASE
THAT IN THE LAST YEAR, AS WE
HAVE HIRED, AS THE CITY HAS
HIRED 24 AND STEPPED UP TO 20
FOR RESPONDERS, SOME OF THOSE
RESPONDERS ARE BEING PUSHED OUT
INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THE
CITY INITIALLY STARTED THE
PROGRAM , IT WAS ONLY IN THE
DOWNTOWN CORE, SO AS THERE ARE
MORE CARE RESPONDERS IN THE
NORTH PRECINCT, THAT SHOULD HELP
WITH RESPONSE TIMES. THAT'S ONE
PARTICULAR FACTOR THAT MAY BE IN
THE FUTURE, HELPFUL . ASK MISS
SOCCI IF SHE HAS ANY OTHER.
>> I WOULD HAVE, CAPTAIN DAVIS
AND SPEAK TO ANY OPERATIONAL OR
CHANGES THAT THEY MADE. THE
GEOGRAPHY OF THE NORTH PRECINCT
HAS ALWAYS BEEN CHALLENGING.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE LONGEST
RESPONSE TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT
REASON. WE HAVE LOOKED AT --
THERE IS A LONG HISTORY THAT
I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF, BUT
AS FAR AS GREG IS CORRECT THAT
WE HAVE CO-LOCATED, WE HAVE CARE
RESPONDERS WORKING AND
RESPONDING OUT OF THE PRESENT
RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE
OPERATIONAL CHANGES AND HOW WE
ARE RESPONDING FROM NORTH
PRECINCT TO REDUCE, I COULD
CONNECT WITH CAPTAIN DAVIS AND.
I KNOW YOU SPEAK WITH HIM
FREQUENTLY SO HE MIGHT BE ABLE
TO IN THE NEXT CALL.
>> I MEET WITH HIM AS YOU DO
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE. I'M
DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT WE
DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR BETTER
SUPPORTING THE NORTH PRECINCT .
THEY NEED SUPPORT. I THINK IF
CAPTAIN DAVISON WERE HERE HE
WOULD BE SAYING THE SAME THING.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR
HIM, BUT IT IS THE BIGGEST
PRECINCT, OR IT SERVES THE
BIGGEST POPULATION IN THE CITY,
AND I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD A PLAN
FOR HOW WE ARE GOING TO BETTER
STAFF THE NORTH PRECINCT TO BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT IS GOING ON
IN THE GROUND. WHILE I
APPRECIATE THE CARE TEAM AND
SUPPORT, HAVING CARE RESPONDERS
, PARTICULARLY WHEN FOLKS NEED
SERVICES , IT'S NOT SOME OF THE
ACTIVITY THAT IS HAPPENING . IT
REQUIRES AN OFFICER'S ATTENTION
, AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT
HAVING THOSE CARE OFFICERS THERE
IS GOING TO MAKE THE BIGGEST
IMPACT , FROM WHAT I HEAR ON
CONSTITUENTS ON THE GROUND. I
CONTINUE, AND WILL CONTINUE TO
ELEVATE THE FACT THAT WE NEED
MORE OFFICER SUPPORT AND MORE
SUPPORT IN THE NORTH PRECINCT IN
GENERAL. WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE
PAST, THERE NEEDS TO BE PERHAPS
TWO PRECINCTS, ET CETERA, BUT
THE POINT BEING , IT IS OF
CONCERN THAT IS THE PRECINCT
THAT HAS THE SLOWEST RESPONSE
TIMES FOR PRIORITY ONE CALLS. I
HEAR THAT FROM CONSTITUENTS ,
AND SO I WILL STATE AGAIN
PUBLICLY, WE NEED SUPPORT IN THE
NORTH PRECINCT AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE CAPTAIN DAVISON AND
ALL THE OFFICERS THERE FOR ALL
THAT THEY DO, SO IT IS NOT ON
THEM. THEY NEED SUPPORT AS WELL.
SO, I WILL TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO PLUG AGAIN. WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING NORTH PRECINCT
RELATED. I ALSO WANT TO POINT
OUT, AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC
BECAUSE WHILE IT IS REALLY
ENCOURAGING THAT WE ARE SEEING
MORE APPLICATIONS TO THE NORTH
-- I MEAN TO THE SPD , SOMETIMES
FOLKS THINK -- I DON'T WANT TO
DO THIS VICTORY LAP CONVERSATION
AND THEN FOLKS GET CONFUSED
ABOUT HOW MANY OFFICERS WE STILL
HAVE TO RESPOND . AT THE END OF
THE DAY, HOW MANY OFFICERS,
PATROL OFFICERS, BECAUSE I
LEARNED IN THE TIME HERE COME
SPD HAS MORE OFFICERS AND ARE
NOT ALL DOING PATROL. WHEN I
STARTED HERE A YEAR AND A HALF
AGO, I BELIEVE WE WERE DOWN
ABOUT 50% ON PATROL OFFICERS.
WHERE ARE WE TO DATE IN TOTAL?
NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE GREAT
PROGRESS WE MADE IN HIRING AND
RETENTION, AND ALSO LEVEL
SETTING AS YOU SAID EARLIER
TODAY, HOW MANY PATROL OFFICERS
DO WE HAVE BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE
TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE WE ARE
DOING BETTER ON THE HIRING PIECE
AND RETENTION PIECE, WE STILL
ARE DOWN ENOUGH OFFICERS WHERE
WE ARE RELYING ON OVERTIME AND
IT ALSO IMPACTS RESPONSE TIMES.
SO, CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE WE
ARE ON THE NUMBER OF PATROL
OFFICERS?
>> I WOULD ASK TO GO BACK TO THE
SLIDE ON PATROL. YEAH. THIS IS
THE HISTORY ALL THE WAY BACK TO
2020. PATROL IS A 490 OFFICERS,
AND WITHIN THAT THERE IS 403
RESPONDING 911 CALLS AND 75
SERGEANTS. AND AGAIN, AS
DIRECTOR SOCCI INDICATED, THE
DEPARTMENT IS TARGETING 550 AS
THE THRESHOLD BY WHICH THEY WILL
BE ABLE TO BEGIN TO DEPLOY SOME
OF THOSE OFFICERS ON A PROACTIVE
BASIS WITH FOOT BEATS OUR BIKES
, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME,
UNTIL THAT CURVE STARTS TO GO
UP, AND IT WILL, OVER THE NEXT
SEVERAL MONTHS , PATROL IS GOING
TO BE STAGNANT . BUT, WITH THE
NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE
COMING IN AND THE RATE THAT THEY
ARE COMING IN AT, AND THE FACT
THAT PATROL IS A PRIORITY, I
WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THAT NUMBER
GO UP AND WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE
A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THIS
TIME NEXT YEAR.
>> 490 NOW. WE NORMALLY HAVE
ABOUT 900. I CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> THESE ARE JUST PATROL. THESE
ARE JUST THE OFFICERS THAT ARE
ANSWERING 911 CALLS AND DOING
FOOT . THE REST OF THE
DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
1000 OFFICERS, 998, WE HAVE
EVERYTHING FROM INVESTIGATIONS
TO MARINE TO SPECIAL TACTICS.
>> THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS
DIFFERENT. HOW MANY OFFICERS,
PATROL OFFICERS, DO WE NEED TO
BE FULLY STAFFED ON THE PATROL
SIDE?
>> THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE WHAT
DIRECTOR SOCCI IS SAYING, 550 IS
WHAT IS THE MINIMUM NUMBER THEY
WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
>> HISTORICALLY IT WAS 550. WE
ARE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING A
PRECINCT STAFFING STUDY TO
EVALUATE CURRENT WORKLOADS AND
RECALIBRATE THE TARGETS FOR THE
PRECINCTS . THAT 550 NUMBER IS A
HISTORICAL NUMBER WE HAVE USED
AS A REFERENCE POINT.
>> TO WHICH HISTORICALLY, WE
WERE ABOVE. CAN I ASK A QUICK
QUESTION? WE WERE ABOVE THE 550,
AND CAN ASK A QUESTION FROM A
SLIGHT PREPARATION POINT. WHAT
WAS SEPTEMBER 2020 VERSUS MARCH
2020? IS 694 THE HIGH POINT?
OBVIOUSLY, SEPTEMBER 2020 IS
ALREADY BEING IMPACTED WHERE A
MORE HISTORICALLY MARCH 2020
WOULD HAVE BEEN A NUMBER .
>> I THINK THAT IT WAS SEPTEMBER
OF 2020 WAS A HIGH POINT MEASURE
. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND
LOOK BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS THE
CASE. I DON'T THINK BETWEEN
MARCH AND SEPTEMBER OF 2020, THE
DEPARTMENT HAD SEEN ANY KIND OF
MASSIVE DECREASE YET IN OFFICERS
LEAVING. I KNOW THERE WAS AN
INCREASE IN THAT TIME OF USE OF
LONG-TERM LEAVE FOR OFFICERS WHO
HAD GONE OUT ON MILITARY LEAVE
OR SOME OTHER KIND OF LEAVE, BUT
I DON'T THINK THAT 350 OFFICER
LOSS THAT HAPPENED , REALLY
HAPPENED BETWEEN DECEMBER OF
2020 AND UP UNTIL LAST YEAR
BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR, DECEMBER
2023.
>> I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.
>> IS AT MINIMUM WHAT WE
NEED TO FEEL LIKE WE ARE FULLY
STAFFED ON THE PATROL SIDE , AM
I UNDERSTANDING YOU PROPERLY?
>> THAT IS THE HISTORICAL TARGET
. WE ARE REWORKING THAT NUMBER
BUT I DON'T IMAGINE IT WILL
CHANGE DRASTICALLY UNLESS OUR
CALLS FOR SERVICE NUMBERS HAVE
CHANGED DRASTICALLY. I HAVEN'T
SEEN THE RECENT ONE SO I CANNOT
SPEAK TO THAT. THAT WOULD BE FOR
911 RESPONDING OFFICERS ONLY .
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 925 DEPLOYABLE
PERSONNEL, SO OF THAT.
>> HOW MANY?
>> AS OF MARCH, IT WAS 924
DEPLOYABLE .
>> THOSE ARE ONCE THAT GREG WERE
DESCRIBING AS THEY MIGHT BE
INVESTIGATORS AND OTHER
FUNCTIONS. I'M TALKING ABOUT
WHO CAN RESPOND TO PRIORITY ONE,
TWO, THREE, FOUR CALLS. WE HAVE
CURRENTLY 490 AND WE NEED 550?
>> 911 RESPONSE, WE HAVE 403
OFFICERS AND 75 SERGEANTS
SUPERVISING THOSE 403 OFFICERS.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT COUNCILMEMBER,
DECEMBER 2021, I CAN'T QUITE
SEE THE SERGEANTS AND DO THE
MATH, BUT I THINK PROBABLY IN
THAT YEAR, WE WERE EXCEEDING --
NO, DECEMBER OF 2020, THEY WERE
EXCEEDING 550 AND 911 RESPONSE.
ONCE THEY EXCEED 550, THOSE TWO
COLUMNS ADDED TOGETHER COME
OFFICERS ON SERGEANT FOR 911
RESPONSE, THEY CAN START ADDING
FOOT BEATS , BIKE BEATS.
>> THE 550 IS COMBINED OFFICERS
AND SERGEANTS?
>> ONLY ANSWERING 911 CALLS,
WRITE. ONCE YOU GET THE 911
FORCE TWO 550, THEN YOU CAN
START ADDING DEDICATED PROACTIVE
PATROL FUNCTIONS.
>> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, THE
CISTERN TO GET MORE OPERATIONAL.
IT'S ATF FOR IF YOU WANT TO
SUBMIT A QUESTION FOR YOU BARNES
CONFIRMATION.
>> THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING
TO GET CLEAR ON HOW MANY
OFFICERS WE HAVE TO RESPOND.
>> SEE RG IS VERY IMPORTANT.
MAYBE MORE IN THE WEST PRECINCT
VERSUS NORTH PRECINCT. I DON'T
HAVE THE BREAKDOWNS BUT BEYOND
THE PATROL NUMBERS, THERE IS
DEFINITELY ELEMENTS THAT ARE
VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF
RESPONDING TO THE SITUATION ON
THE GROUND . THAT GOES TO THAT
AS WELL. THAT COULD BE A MORE
OPERATIONAL. YOU CAN MAYBE SPEAK
TO THAT BUT IT MAY BE MORE IN
TERMS OF , MORE TOWARDS YOU
KNOW, CHIEF BARNES OR SOMEBODY
FROM HIS STAFF THAT'S MORE
OPERATIONAL.
>> I WILL TAKE ALL OF THE
COMMENTS BACK TO THE CHIEF AND
ALSO OUR PATROL OPERATIONS
COMMANDER AND WE CAN TALK
THROUGH, AND ARE PERFORMANCE
ANALYTICS TEAM WHO IS
RE-EVALUATING THOSE THRESHOLD
NUMBERS TO SEE HOW MANY OFFICERS
WOULD BE NEEDED TO FULLY STAFF
AND ACHIEVE ALL OF OUR
PERFORMANCE METRICS.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE
THAT IS ULTIMATELY WHAT I'M
ASKING, DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE
BY WHEN THAT PERFORMANCE MEASURE
WILL BE OR REVIEW, RATHER WILL
BE COMPLETED ?
>> WE HAVE ENGAGED IN OUTSIDE
CONSULTANTS TO PARTNER ON THAT.
I WILL REVISIT THE CONTRACT AND
LET YOU KNOW WITH THE FINAL
DELIVERABLE DATE IS.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOORE ?
>> I JUST WANTED TO ECHO AND SAY
THANK YOU TO COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA ABOUT THE NORTH PRECINCT
. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED MORE
RESOURCES . JUST IN LOOKING AT
THE CHART, THE WEST PRECINCT HAS
95 OFFICERS , NORTH PRECINCT HAS
96. WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE
OFFICER AND YET WE ARE THE
LARGEST PRECINCT AND WE ALSO
HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOT
ZONES , AURA , OBVIOUSLY BEING
ONE, WHICH IS CONSTANTLY HOT. WE
JUST HAD 15 GUNSHOT ON SATURDAY
WITH 15 SHOTS FIRED , BULLETS
LENDING IN PEOPLE'S HOMES . WE
CONTINUE TO HAVE HOT AREAS IN
LAKE CITY AND MEDICINE PARK.
THERE ARE A LOT OF HOT ZONES IN
THE NORTH PRECINCT. I ECHO THOSE
COMMENTS THAT WE DESPERATELY
NEED MORE RESOURCES. I HAD A
QUESTION ABOUT THAT KEY TAKE
AWAY HERE ABOUT STRAIGHT-LINE
PROJECTION . SPD MIGHT BE
NEEDING SUPPLEMENTAL MONEY. CAN
YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE
BIT? THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'M
HEARING WE MIGHT NEED MORE MONEY
IN THE MIDYEAR SUPPLEMENTAL.
>> I WOULD ASK THE CLERK IF HE
CAN GO BACK TO THE VERY LAST
SLIDE FOR THE KEY TAKEAWAYS.
COUNCILMEMBER, THIS IS THE
RESULT OF THE ADDITIONAL HIRES
THAT ARE BEING MADE AND THE FACT
THAT THESE HIRES ARE BEING MADE
AND THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT
BUDGET TO SUPPORT THEM. AND SO,
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A PRIORITY AT
THE CITY TO HIRE OFFICERS, SO
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN
THE HIRING PROCESS BECAUSE THERE
IS NOT SUFFICIENT BUDGET. THAT
6.8 MILLION I MENTIONED UP TO 10
MILLION, THE DEPARTMENT WILL
HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT MONEY
TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE NEW
OFFICERS THAT ARE COMING ON
BOARD AND AS MISS SOCCI SAID,
THAT'S EITHER GOING TO BE
COMING THROUGH SAVINGS THE
DEPARTMENT HAS OR POTENTIALLY AT
THE END OF THE YEAR, IF THERE IS
NOT ENOUGH INTERNAL SAVINGS THEY
WILL HAVE TO ASK FOR THAT MONEY
FROM YOU ALL TO FUND THE NEW
OFFICERS.
>> ARE WE ANTICIPATING WE WILL
HAVE 76 NEW OFFICERS BY THE
FALL?
>> THAT'S A YEAR AND A NUMBER,
I HIGHSIDE NUMBER BUT IF HIRING
KEEPS CONTINUING, THE WAY IT IS
CONTINUING , WE COULD VERY WELL
SEE 76 NET NEW OFFICERS AT THE
END OF THIS YEAR.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE
CLARIFICATION. ONE MORE QUICK
QUESTION. IN TERMS OF FACTORING
IN THE OVERTIME , I'M WONDERING,
NOW WE HAVE THIS PROTEST ON THE
WEEKEND. I ANTICIPATE WE WILL
SEE MANY MORE SUCH PROTESTS
COMING THROUGH. HOW ARE THOSE
UNEXPECTED PROTESTS AND RALLIES
FACTORED INTO OVERTIME
CALCULATIONS? BUDGETING FOR
THAT?
>> I WOULD SAY FOR , AS FAR AS
OVERTIME, WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF
EVENTS EACH YEAR AND THERE IS
ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME LEVEL OF
OVERTIME USED TWO STAFF
DEMONSTRATIONS, PROTESTS , FIRST
AMENDMENT EVENTS. FROM A
STRICTLY BUDGET STANDPOINT, WE
LOOK AT ALL OF THE OVERTIME DATA
, EVERY PAY. WE ARE LOOKING AND
SEEING WHERE WE ARE LANDING. TO
THE EXTENT THERE ARE
UNANTICIPATED EVENTS OR
EXCEPTIONAL EVENTS OUTSIDE OF
OUR ABILITY TO FUND , WE WOULD
TYPICALLY BRING THOSE FORTH FOR
CONSIDERATION FOR SUPPLEMENTAL
APPROPRIATION . FOR A SINGLE
EVENT, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT
WOULD BE THE CASE, IT WOULD BE
MORE LIKE MLB ALL-STAR WEEK OR
SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AS
FAR AS OUR OVERTIME BUDGET GROWS
-- GOES, WE APPEAR TO BE ON
TRACK THIS YEAR AND ALWAYS
ANTICIPATE THERE IS GOING TO BE
EVENTS WE WILL NEED TO STAFF ON
THE WEEKENDS.
>> SO, YOU ARE BUDGETING FOR THE
UNEXPECTED, I GUESS?
>> AS LONG AS THE UNEXPECTED IS
WITHIN THE SAME RANGE OF
UNEXPECTED FROM PRIOR YEARS. IF
THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
>> YEAH, OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE , AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
ADVOCACY FOR THE NORTH PRECINCT.
I'M WELL AWARE OF IT. I DO NOTE
THAT WE HAVE A WEST PRECINCT AND
IN EAST PRECINCT AND SOUTH
PRECINCT AND SOUTHWEST.
THEREFORE, ONE WOULD THINK,
NORTH PRECINCT , OBVIOUSLY WE
HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF JOB WHEN ,
WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN THIS
COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL, WORKING
WITH EXECUTIVE AND CITY ATTORNEY
IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE
DIRECTION , LIKE WHAT WE ARE
SEEING HERE WITH STAFFING, BUT I
AGREE, THE NORTH PRECINCT NEEDS
TO BE BETTER SERVED IN TERMS OF
STRUCTURE . THERE IS DIFFERENT
WAYS OF DOING THAT. SINCE WE
CAME UP RECENTLY IN A DIFFERENT
COMMITTEE, PROPERTY IN AURORA IN
20th OR 1/30, HIGHLIGHTS THE
FACT THAT THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL
NORTH PRECINCT BUILDING IS
SUBSTANDARD AND WE NEED TO TAKE
ACTION THERE, TOO. WITH THAT
CHAIR SUPPORT OF MY NORTH
PRECINCT COLLEAGUES, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT?
>> I AM REFERRING -- I WOULD
LIKE TO GO BACK TO SLIDE EIGHT,
THE HISTORICAL DATA FOR PRECINCT
STAFFING. AND I CAN TAKE THIS
QUESTION OFF-LINE, BUT I AM
NOTING THAT THERE IS NO LINE FOR
2022. THAT IS THE YEAR THAT I
STARTED, AND I TOOK OFFICE , AND
I REMEMBER THAT THE CHIEF SAID
IN FEBRUARY OF THAT YEAR, I
THINK FEBRUARY OR MARCH OF 2022,
THE DECISION HAD BEEN MADE TO
REMOVE ABOUT 100 PEOPLE FROM THE
INVESTIGATIVE UNITS TO PATROL TO
IMPROVE 911 CALL TIMES. SO THAT
UNDERMINED OUR ABILITY TO
PROACTIVELY POLICE MAJOR CRIMES,
INCLUDING SEXUAL ASSAULT AND
WELL -- GUN VIOLENCE, ET CETERA.
AT SOME POINT, COULD YOU PLEASE
GIVE ME THE NUMBERS FOR 2022
THAT WOULD GO ACROSS? DECEMBER
2022 AND LIKE WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT, WHAT IS THE MAGIC NUMBER
TO GET UP TO GOING BACK TO MAYBE
SOME BEET PATROLS? I AM ALSO AT
SOME POINT WONDERING WHEN THOSE
INVESTIGATIVE UNITS CAN BE
RE-STAFFED AND FILLED UP BECAUSE
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CR G, THAT IS
PREVENTATIVE POLICING ET CETERA
BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO
INVESTIGATE AND PREVENT MAJOR
CRIMES, THEN THE BENEFITS
TRICKLE DOWN AS WELL.
>> YOU ARE CORRECT THAT CHIEF
DIAZ AROUND THAT TIMEFRAME MOVED
100 OFFICERS FROM OTHER
FUNCTIONS INTO PATROL TO
MAINTAIN PATROL AS BEST AS THE
DEPARTMENT COULD EVEN THE
FALLING NUMBERS OF OFFICERS
OVERALL IN THE DEPARTMENT. I
WILL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
>> AND FOR REALLY HIGHLY
EFFECTIVE POLICING DEPARTMENT ,
WE NEED THAT INVESTIGATIVE
POSITION REFILLED . NOT TO SAY
IT'S NOT A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE --
I'M BASICALLY SAYING THAT IS AN
ABSENCE THAT DOES HAVE IMPACTS
ACROSS THE BOARD. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I
CLOSE? OKAY. THANK
YOU, GREG DOSS AND MISSED SOCCI.
I REALLY APPRECIATED. I'M
ENCOURAGED BY THE NUMBERS , BUT
STILL MINDFUL OF THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR EXPECTATIONS
MANAGEMENT AND IT CAN'T BE JUST
US WHO HAVE EXPECTATIONS
MANAGEMENT BECAUSE DUE TO THE
POINT THAT COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA
POINTED OUT, IT CREATES MIXED
SIGNALS FOR THE PUBLIC AND
CREATES THESE EXPECTATION
PROBLEMS AND AS NOTED IN PUBLIC
COMMENT WHEN SOME OF OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE CITY
DON'T GET THAT SERVICE , THAT
CREATES A PROBLEM. EXPECTATIONS,
WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED BY THE
NUMBERS BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BE
MINDFUL OF EXPECTATIONS . YES,
WE ARE MEETING SOME GOALS EARLY
BUT THAT MEANS WE JUST NEED TO
KEEP THE PRESS ON. WE NEED TO
KEEP THE PRESS ON. WE CANNOT LET
UP AND WE AS A COMMITTEE ALSO
NEED TO KEEP THE PRESS ON
THROUGH MEETINGS LIKE THIS BUT
ALSO DOING OUR JOB, PUSHING
FORWARD ON A DIFFERENT BILL LIKE
WE DID WITH AGENDA AND ITEM
NUMBER ONE, SHOWING WE ARE
ADDRESSING THE CHALLENGES. WE
ARE GOING TO DO THIS ACROSS THE
BOARD WHETHER IT IS ORDINANCES
THAT NEED TO BE FIXED OR
WHATEVER OR FUNCTIONAL CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM, WHICH ALSO PLAYS
IN TERMS OF RETENTION AND THE
LIKE FOR SPD. OBVIOUSLY,
COMMUNITY SAFETY. WE NEED TO
CONTINUE TO ENGAGE AS A
COMMITTEE. I ENCOURAGE MY
COLLEAGUES TO CONTINUE TO VISIT
PRECINCT . I'M GOING TO BE
STARTING UP AGAIN SOON TO GO
ACROSS ALL FIVE STINKS. I ALSO
ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO GO TO
THE BEFORE THE BADGE PROGRAM. I
HAVE DONE DONE A NUMBER OF
TIMES. I KNOW SOME OTHER OF MY
COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE
BADGE. I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES
TO DO THAT. WE ALSO NEED TO KEEP
THE PRESS ON IMPLEMENTING
REFORMS. THIS IS HINTED AT HERE.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FORM TO
CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND MAKE THE
BEST POLICE FORCE IN THE COUNTRY
WHETHER THOSE RELATED TO CONSENT
DECREE, OR 30 BY 30 THAT I
MENTIONED IN THAT SLIDE. IT HAS
TO BE DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP .
WE CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT. WE
HAVE TO COME IN ADDITION TO
THINGS LIKE PAY, THIS IS AN AREA
WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT
DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP.
ACCOUNTABILITY , I DON'T SHY
AWAY FROM THAT WORD. I SAY IT IN
A GENERAL SENSE BUT WHEN YOU
HAVE THE BEST POLICE FORCE , MY
THOUGHTS ARE THAT SHOULD WELCOME
ACCOUNTABILITY. WE SHOULD BE
THINKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVE
RESPONSE. THIS COMES UP, CAME UP
A NUMBER OF TIMES RELATED TO HER
DEPARTMENT BUT ALSO FIRE IN
TERMS OF AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING
ON OUR STREETS AND IN SUPPORT OF
THE OVERALL PUBLIC SAFETY
EFFORT. WHICH IN TURN HELPS SPD
AND THEN IN TURN RETENTION . I
MENTIONED OFTEN, BEAT COPS . I
WILL TELL YOU, BIKE COPS, BIKE
COPS BIKE COPS IS MAKING THE
DIFFERENCE IN WEST PRECINCT. I
WORK WITH BROWN. BIKE COPS. BIKE
COPS, BUT COPS. ALLOWS THE FLEX
AND ALLOWS US TO GO AFTER THESE
DRUG MARKETS WHETHER IN BELLTOWN
OR OTHER LOCATIONS. IT'S HELPFUL
AS TO WHY WE HAVE A SAFE SEATTLE
CENTER AND AREAS THAT ARE THE
WHOLE OF THE CITY. I LIKE TO
POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE TO DO OUR
PART AS A COUNCIL AND COMMITTEE
IN TERMS OF SHOWING LEADERSHIP,
AND THIS PLAYS OUT TO RETENTION
BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT WE ARE
COMMITTED, WHETHER IT IS THE
RESOLUTION THAT VICE CHAIR SAKA
WORKED ON , THAT HIGHLIGHTED
DIFFERENT PIECES, WHICH MAKES A
BIG DIFFERENCE FOR THE
RETENTION. PLUS ALL OF THE OTHER
BILLS WE HAVE DONE DURING THE
COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR AND A
HALF PLUS, ACTUALLY LONGER THAN
THAT . I SHOULD ACCOUNT FOR SOME
OF THE BILLS THAT HAPPENED
DURING THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS
OF COUNCIL PRESIDENT STURM. I
WANTED TO CLOSE THE COMMENTS
THERE THAT -- I GET PUBLIC
COMMENT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT
PLACES ON --. I WANTED TO NOTE
THAT WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC SAFETY
AS A PROFESSIONAL THING. WE
CANNOT BE POLITICIZING ON THIS.
THIS IS ABOUT THE MISSION,
VISION, AND PLAN , THE STRATEGIC
FRAMEWORK PLAN. WE LOST MANY
OFFICERS AND THERE IS REASONS
FOR THAT BUT WE GAINED, WE ARE
ATTRACTING MORE OFFICERS AND
THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE WORK WE
HAVE DONE. WHICH I WOULD ARGUE
IS NOT IN BOTH GETTING THE JOB
DONE. THIS IS GOOD GOVERNANCE.
THIS IS NOT POLITICIZING. THIS
IS ABOUT DOING THE JOB THAT IS
REQUIRED , AND I KNOW , BECAUSE
SOME WILL , MANY OFFICERS HAVE
LEFT BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF
OFFICERS COME IN. THIS
REPRESENTS A GENERATIONAL SHIFT
AND WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF
THIS GENERATIONAL SHIFT AND HOW
THAT PLAYS OUT IN SO MANY
DIFFERENT WAYS, AND WE NEED TO
BE ACTIVELY ENCOURAGED WE ARE
NOT THE CHAIN OF COMMAND BUT WE
ARE THE UPPER MANAGEMENT. WE
NEED TO SHOW THAT LEADERSHIP AS
WELL. THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE SO
IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS OUR PUBLIC
SAFETY CHALLENGES AND I WANTED
TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THIS GOES AS
NOTED BOTH RECRUITMENT AND
RETENTION , BUT IT'S ALSO IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH CARE, THAT
DYNAMIC IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I
THINK THAT SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED
AND I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT
FIRE AS WELL. I KNOW SOME TALK
ABOUT REFORM AND ALL OF THAT BUT
I THINK WE HAVE DONE WELL AND WE
HAVE DONE WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE
HAVE SHOWN LEADERSHIP AND NOW
THAT IS WITH THE COURT AND WILL
CONTINUE TO PRESS THERE, TOO. I
GET A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, AND
I WANTED TO CLOSE MY COMMENTS BY
HIGHLIGHTING THIS ONE PUBLIC
COMMENT BUT ALSO BRIEFING TO
SHOW , TO BRING DIFFERENT POINTS
UP AND BRING A CLOSE TO TODAY'S
MEETING. BEFORE ADJOURNING, AND
I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THERE WAS
ANY OTHER BUSINESS, I WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT WHAT HAPPENED THIS
WEEKEND WITH THEIR PROTESTS. IT
CAME UP IN TERMS OF OVERTIME AND
THE LIKE, AND I KNOW I SPOKE TO
IT BUT I ALSO WANTED TO OFFER AN
OPPORTUNITY , IF ANY OF MY
COLLEAGUES WANT TO MAKE QUICK
REMARKS, AND REMARKS ON THAT
TOPIC, AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER
MOORE?
>> THANK YOU . I DID WANT TO
EXPRESS MY DISMAY AND CONCERN
ABOUT THE REPORTS ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED THIS WEEKEND. I THINK
IT IS CLEAR THAT WE CONTINUE TO
STRUGGLE WITH CROWD CONTROL
POLICIES . THAT IS ONE OF THE
REMAINING ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE
OR THE TWO REMAINING PIECES THAT
ARE STILL HOLDING US IN THE
CONSENT DECREE , AND I HAVE BEEN
VERY VOCAL ABOUT THE NEED FOR US
TO GET A PROPER CROWD CONTROL
POLICY IN PLACE. I STILL REMAIN
COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT WE
ACTUALLY HAVE A CROWD CONTROL
POLICY IN WHICH ROLES AND
EXPECTATIONS FOR SPD ARE VERY
CLEAR SO THAT THEY ARE NOT
FINDING THEMSELVES IN POSITIONS
IN WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE NO
ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY VIEW THEY
HAVE NO ALTERNATIVES. AND THE
ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF
EVERYBODY ARE VERY CLEAR IN
THESE VERY INTENSE, DIFFICULT,
FAST-MOVING SITUATIONS. I WILL
BE SUPPORTING AND AM SUPPORTING
THE REQUEST THAT THE LGBTQ
COMMISSION HAS MADE . WE DO NEED
TO HAVE A FULL INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATION OF THE USE OF
FORCE AND DECISION-MAKING, AND I
THINK HOW WE ARE GOING TO MANAGE
CROWD CONTROL GOING FORWARD , WE
NEED A REVIEW OF THE PERMITTING
PROCESS. I WANTED TO BE CLEAR,
THE SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL DOES
NOT MAKE THE PERMITTING
DECISIONS . THAT IS AN EXECUTIVE
DECISION MADE BY THE PARKS
DEPARTMENT AND WE DO NEED TO
HAVE A FULL REVIEW OF THAT .
WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND HOW WE
ARE GOING TO ADDRESS IT GOING
FORWARD AND ALSO HOW TO HAVE
MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
AND REFORMS THAT CENTER THE
VOICES AND SAFETY OF THE LGBTQ
AI PLUS COMMUNITY AROUND PUBLIC
SAFETY AND CITY PLANNING ,
ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE
TO SEE MORE OF THESE INTENTIONAL
CONFLICTS AND WE NEED TO BE
PREPARED TO ADDRESS THEM IN A
WAY THAT RESPECTS THE SAFETY AND
RIGHTS OF ALL, PARTICULARLY
THOSE OF OUR MARGINALIZED AND
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, WHO ARE
REALLY LOOKING TO LOCAL
LEADERSHIP TO MAKE SURE THIS
REMAINS A SANCTUARY CITY FOR
THEM IN ALL REGARDS. THANK YOU,
CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU., THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE. THANK YOU,
GREG DOSS AND MISS SOCCI FOR
ITEM NUMBER TWO. I WILL THROW A
THANK YOU TO MR. FRENCH AND --
FOR ATTENDING AS PUBLIC
COMMENTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE
POLICE COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF
THE OIG WERE HERE. EVEN THE NEWS
MEDIA, MR. DANIELS AND ONE OTHER
GENTLEMAN WHOM I DO NOT KNOW,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. WE
HAVE REACHED THE END OF TODAY'S
AGENDA. IS THERE ANY FURTHER
BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE BEFORE WE ADJOURN?
HEARING AND SEEING NO FURTHER
BUSINESS COME BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE,