ROLL.
>> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH.
>> HERE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA.
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR
KETTLE.
>>
HERE.
>> THERE FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT.
WE WILL HAVE
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ JOINING OUR
COMMITTEE
TODAY.
WE WILL HAVE HER SHORTLY SOON
ON THE COMMITTEE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
IF THERE IS NO
OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE
ADOPTED.
HEARING AND SEEING NO
OBJECTION, THE AGENDA IS
ADOPTED.
FOR THE CHAIR REPORT TODAY,
FOR THIS MEETING, I JUST
QUICKLY WANTED TO NOTE A COUPLE
OF
THINGS, ONE IS THE EARTHQUAKE
IN RUSSIA, THE RESULTING
TSUNAMI, IS ANOTHER REMINDER
THAT
EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
IS SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR
CITY, GIVEN THE UNIQUE PIECES
RELATED TO THE EARTHQUAKE
AND TSUNAMI THREAT.
AND I THINK WE, AGAIN, LIKE
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH OTHER
NATIONAL DISASTERS, WE NEED TO
BE
LOOKING AT THESE THINGS AND
BEING
REMINDED AND ASSURED IN THE AREA
OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
IN THIS CASE THAT WE'RE READY.
AND TIED TO THIS IS
THE IMPORTANCE OF FEMA.
AND WE NEED TO BE ALSO
LOOKING AT FEMA, LOOKING AT WHAT
THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING IN
TERMS OF FUNDING, AND ALL THE
LIKE.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO
HAVE THAT KIND OF NATIONAL BACK
STOP
THAT THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE AND
EVERYTHING THAT FEMA BRINGS TO
A NATIONAL DISASTER, WHICH ONE
DAY
COULD BE A TSUNAMI AS WELL.
FROM MY MAIN CHAIR COMMENT
TODAY, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
TECHNOLOGY AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
I APPRECIATE WE GET A LOT OF
EMAILS, I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT
ARTICLES, DIFFERENT
REPORTS, TALKING ABOUT
TECHNOLOGY.
AND I WANTED TO SAY WHEN WE
APPROACH THESE THINGS, WE DO
IT WITH A SEATTLE VALUES,
SEATTLE WAY KIND OF APPROACH.
THIS COMMITTEE, THIS COUNCIL
IS PRESSING OUR EXECUTIVE
AND JUDICIAL PARTNERS TO ENSURE
THAT IS THE CASE.
AND THEY DO SO THEMSELVES AS
WELL.
AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN
THIS CITY IS NOT WHAT WE SEE IN
OTHER CITIES AROUND AMERICA,
ACROSS
AMERICA.
PERFECT, NO.
BUT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE IN THAT
DIRECTION.
AS WE LOOK TO CREATE A
SMARTER, MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE
EFFECTIVE POLICING TO CREATE
THE SEATTLE WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WANTED TO SAY, WHEN MAKING THE
ARGUMENTS, I THINK IT
IS ARGUMENTS SHOULD BE MA ED
IN THIS CONTEXT BECAUSE
OFTENTIMES I HEAR ARGUMENTS MADE
AS IF
WE'RE IN A JURISDICTION
AND ANOTHER PART OF AMERICA.
AS PEOPLE SAY IT, RED
COUNTY,
RED STATE AMERICA. WE'RE NOT
THAT.
OUR LAWS ARE VERY DIFFERENT
AND THEY ALSO INCORPORATE
THE DIFFERENT PIECES, THE HARD
WORK OF FORMER
COUNCILMEMBER CATHY MOORE FOR
EXAMPLE OR CURRENTLY
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA WHO
OFTEN WILL ATTEND MEETINGS AS IT
RELATES TO TECHNOLOGY.
AND SHE HAD A GREAT
PLAY WITH THE AUTOMATIC LICENSE
PLATE READER AND THIS GOES TO
MY COLLEAGUES TO THE
RIGHT, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
NELSON AND
COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH, ING
THE AMENDMENTS
TO ENSURE WE DO PUBLIC SAFETY
IN THAT SEATTLE VALUES AND
SEATTLE
WAY.
THIS INCLUDES MY VICE-CHAIR, WHO
IS SOMEWHERE IN THE ETHER
NOW BUT IS EN ROUTE.
AND THE ONE PIECE I WANTED
TO ADD TOO IS IN SEATTLE, WE
HAVE
AN ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM. VERY
UNIQUE COMPARED TO ALL
THE OTHER CITIES
ACROSS AMERICA, VERY UNIQUE.
NO OTHER CITY HAS WHAT WE
HAVE IN TERMS OF OFFICE OF
INSPECTOR
GENERAL, OFFICE
OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE POLICE
COMMISSION.
CHICAGO HAS SOME OF THESE
PIECES, DIFFERENT CITIES
HAVE PIECES OF THEM, BUT THEY
DON'T HAVE WHAT WE HAVE.
AND IT IS THEIR JOB IN PART AS
IT RELATES TO TECHNOLOGY TO
ENSURE THAT WE ARE DOING
THINGS IN THE SEATTLE VALUES,
SEATTLE
WAY. AND WE NEED TO HAVE THEM DO
THEIR JOB.
THAT'S PART OF THEIR
RESPONSIBILITIES.
WE HAVE OUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT
BECAUSE I LOOK FORWARD TO THE
ENGAGEMENT, I BELIEVE
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME
ADDITIONAL COUNCILMEMBERS COMING
TO THE
MEETING. I LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR
QUESTIONS, JUST LIKE
THE QUESTIONS WE HAD LAST YEAR
WITH AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE
READERS, CCTV OR THE REAL- TIME
CRIME CRIME CENTER FIRST TIME WE
DID IT.
THAT IS CHAIR COMMENT.
WE'LL OPEN THE HYBRID PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD RELATE
TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WITHIN
THE PURVIEW OF THE
COMMITTEE.
CLERK, HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE
HAVE TODAY?
>> CURRENTLY WE HAVE EIGHT
IN PERSON SPEAKERS SIGNED UP
AND SIX REMOTE SPEAKERS.
>> OKAY.
I DON'T THINK OUR NEW RULES
GO INTO EFFECT YET, BUT WE
WILL FOLLOW THEM AND EACH
SPEAKER WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES.
AND WE WILL START IN PERSON
AND, CLERK, CAN YOU READ THE
PUBLIC
COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS?
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
WILL BE MODERATED IN
THE FOLLOWING MANNER, THE PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD SIX
MINUTES, SPEAKERS CALLED IN THE
ORDER
IN WHICH THEY REGISTERED,
SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN
TEN SECONDS ARE LEFT OF THEIR
TIME, SPEAKERS MICS WILL BE
MUTED
IF THEY DO NOT END THEIR
COMMENTS WITHIN THE ALLOTTED
TIME TO
ALLOW US TO CALL ON THE NEXT
SPEAKER.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS
NOW OPEN AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH
THE FIRST SPEAKER ON THE LIST.
THE FIRST IN PERSON SPEAKER
IS HEATHER SMITH, TO BE FOLLOWED
BY ALEX TSIMERMAN.
>> HELLO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SERVICE.
OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN DOING
BUSINESS ON CAPITOL HILL
NEAR PIKE AND BROADWAY FOR OVER
THREE
GENERATIONS. AND I WANT TO SHARE
THAT
OUR AREA SAFETY HAS BECOME
OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IN LAST FEW
YEARS.
NEARLY EVERY SMALL AND
LARGE BUSINESS IN THE AREA HAS
EXPERIENCED INCIDENTS OF
VIOLENCE, VANDALISM, THEFT, AND
SOMETIMES ALL THREE, MANY
TIMES A WEEK.
WITHIN JUST THE FIVE BLOCKS
OF PIKE AND BROADWAY, THERE
ARE CURRENTLY 45 VACANT
STOREFRONTS.
THAT NUMBER SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR
ITSELF.
I'M KEENLY AWARE
THAT CAPITOL HILL IS THE ONLY
NEIGHBORHOOD IN
SEATTLE WHERE COLLECTED
DATA SHOWS THAT CRIME HAS GONE
UP IN
2025.
RECENT INCIDENTS NEAR OUR
PLACE OF BUSINESS INCLUDE A NEW
YEAR'S EVE DAY HOMICIDE WHERE
THE PERSON KILLED WAS NOT
THE INTENDED TARGET, IN THE
LAST 18 MONTHS THERE HAVE BEEN
SIX
OTHER HOMICIDES IN THE AREA
NEARBY.
AND AN ASSAULT AND ARSON
CASE THAT HAPPENED ON OUR BLOCK
IN
THE LAST MONTH IS CURRENTLY IN
THE COURTS.
WE ARE AWARE OF
MULTIPLE ASSAULTS AND FIGHTS
THAT INVOLVE
GUNS, KNIVES, HAMMERS AND
EVEN TWO INCIDENTS INVOLVING
AXES IN
THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AT LEAST THREE STOLEN
VEHICLES IN THE PAST MONTH, JUST
IN
FRONT OF OUR
BUILDING. THERE IS DAILY DRUG
TRAFFICKING ON THE NORTHEAST AND
SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF THE
INTERSECTION.
COLLISIONS ARE FREQUENT, IN
FACT, JUST THIS LAST WEEK
THERE WAS PRETTY MAJOR
COLLISION BETWEEN A BICYCLE AND
A CAR AT
THE INTERSECTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, PRIVATE
SECURITY FOOTAGE HAS BECOME THE
ONLY
RELIABLE METHOD FOR TRACKING
MANY OF THESE CRIMES.
POLICE AND FEDERAL
INVESTIGATORS OFTEN ROUTINELY GO
BUSINESS
TO BUSINESS IN OUR AREA,
REQUESTING ACCESS TO PRIVATE
FOOTAGE AS
THERE ARE NO OTHER SYSTEMS IN
PLACE.
I REALLY DO WISH CCTV WEREN'T
NECESSARY, BUT THE REALITY
IS THAT FOR MOST OF THE CRIMES
THAT I'VE LISTED AND THIS IS
FAR
FROM A COMPLETE LIST, IT HAS
BECOME
PRIVATE SECURITY FOOTAGE THAT
HELPED IDENTIFY THOSE INVOLVED.
THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, HEATHER.
>> NEXT UP, ALEX
TSIMERMAN FOLLOWED
BY BRITTANY PETTERSEN.
>> THANK YOU.
YOU CAN OPEN.
I AM ALEX TSIMERMAN.
I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING
ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.
NO ONE GOVERNMENT, NO ONE CITY
CAN FEEL SAFETY IN PUBLIC
FEEL GOOD WHEN FASCISM,
GESTAPO PRINCIPLE GOES DEEPER
AND
DEEPER AND DEEPER.
I GIVE YOU TWO CLASSIC EXAMPLE.
YOU CHOOSE A COUNCIL WHO FOR MY
UNDERSTANDING MORE NAZI --
FOR 40 YEAR SHE NEVER GIVE
CHANCE,
PEOPLE SEE FACES WHEN THEY
SPEAK. THIS NEVER HAPPENED
BEFORE
IN HUMAN HISTORY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS
POSSIBLE.
YOU CHOICE RIGHT
NOW FOR COUNCIL, PLUS SHE'S
MENTALLY
SICK.
I'M IT IT IS NIGHTMARE.
IT IS
NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, I WILL
SHOW
YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
DEEPER FRUSTRATION AS WE GO.
YOU KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, 40
YEAR, NEVER HAVE Q&A.
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
I COME TO THIS CHAMBER FOR 40
PLUS YEAR, I NEVER SEE ONE
MAYORMAYOR BEFORE FOR 40 PLUS
YEAR WHO
FOR 40 YEAR, 40 YEAR NOT ONE
Q&A.
HE SAYS SOMEBODY WILL COME,
HE HAS FULL SECURITY OFFICER,
POLICEMAN. THIS COSTS US $1
MILLION.
SO WHAT?
HOW PEOPLE IN SEATTLE 700,000 --
DON'T .
NOBODY GIVE POWER AND MONEY FOR
FREE.
NEVER HAPPEN BEFORE.
AND EXACTLY NOW, WHEN TRUMP
TALK TO EVERYBODY, AMERICA IS
FIRST. THIS EXACTLY.
PEOPLE ARE FIRST.
THIS EXACTLY WHAT IS WE ARE
DOING.
VIVA TRUMP.
VIVA NEW AMERICA AND REVOLUTION.
STAND UP, SEATTLE, FREAKING
IDIOT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT UP WE
HAVE BRITTANY PETTERSEN FOLLOWED
BY MIKE OAK
SMITH.
>> I CHOOSE TO LIVE IN
SEATTLE'S
CAPITOL HILL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR
ITS VIBRANCY AND SENSE OF
COMMUNITY. ESPECIALLY AROUND THE
PIKE PINE
CORRIDOR.
OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS
I WATCHED THE AREA SHIFT INTO
AN ENVIRONMENT THAT FEELS
UNSAFE, AND UNLIVABLE.
THE MARKET, THE PIKE PINE
CORRIDOR HAVE DEINVOLVED VOLVED
INTO
AN OPEN AIR DRUG MARKET AFTER
SCHOOL. THE DRUG USE AND
ASSOCIATED BEHAVIORS INCLUDING
PUBLIC
INTOXICATION, OVERDOSES AND
VIOLENCE.
MY STREET HAS BECOME
NEARLY IMPASSABLE WITH
ENCAMPMENTS,
GANG ACTIVITY AND ALL
CONCENTRATED OUTSIDE THE
BASKETBALL COURTS.
THE DRUG MARKET ATTRACTS
GANG ACTIVITY WITH PEOPLE
SHOWING GUNS FOR INTIMIDATION,
OPENLY DEFENDING THEIR TERRITORY
TO
ENSURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE
TO MEET THE NEEDS OF DRUG
ADDICTS UP FOR THEIR FIX.
LAST YEAR TWO HOMICIDES
OCCURRED RIGHT OUTSIDE MY
WINDOW,
LEAVING BULLETS AND BLOOD ON THE
STREETS FOR WEEKS.
BOTH INCIDENTS HAPPENED AT DUSK,
A TIME WHEN MANY OF MY
NEIGHBORS WERE OUTSIDE, TRYING
TO
ENJOY THE SPACE INTENDED FOR
POSITIVE
COMMUNITY USE.
IN THAT CASE, THERE HAD BEEN
HEAVY DRINKING AND FIGHTING
THROUGHOUT THE DAY, LEADING
UP TO THE SHOOTING.
AND ALL OF THAT
ACTIVITY WOULD HAVE BEEN
CAPTURED.
CALLS TO THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT STARTED WELL BEFORE
HOMICIDES WERE MET WITH NO
RESPONSE.
IF SPD HAD BEEN ABLE TO
MONITOR
THE FOOTAGE IN REAL-TIME, LOCAL
BUSINESSES AND
RESIDENTS COULD HAVE ALERTED
THEM AND
THE OFFICERS WOULD HAVE
RESPONDED
SOONER.
WITHOUT REAL- TIME MONITORING,
911 DID NOT TRIGGER AN IMMEDIATE
RESPONSE AND THE
INTERVENTION CAME TOO LATE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF CCTV
CAMERAS WILL BENEFIT CAPITOL
HILL COMMUNITY AND THE LARGER
COMMUNITY OF SEATTLE.
THESE CAMERAS WILL HELP --
ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AS IT
HAPPENS, SUPPLEMENT THE LIMITED
RESOURCES THAT THE EAST PRECINCT
AND PRECINCTS ACROSS THE CITY
HAVE, AND IMPROVE THE OVERALL
SAFETY AND WELL- BEING OF
RESIDENTS
AND VISITORS WHO WANT TO ENJOY
THE VIBRANT
NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE
MIKE OAK SMITH TO BE FOLLOWED BY
BRIDGET
HARMAN.
>> HI, I'M MIKE OAK SMITH,
CAPITOL HILL RESIDENT FOR 40
PLUS YEARS.
THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR YOUR TIME
ON THIS.
THIS IS A -- IF CAPITOL
HILL EVER NEEDED THE CAMERAS,
NOW
IS THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, THE POLICE NEED ALL
THE SUPPORT THEY CAN GET IN
TODAY'S STAFFING SHORTAGES AND
EYES ON THE STREET AND SOME OF
THEIR INABILITIES
TO POLICE. I THINK THIS IS AN
EFFECTIVE WAY
TO MAYBE GAIN SOME KNOWLEDGE
ON WHAT IS GOING ON UP THERE,
WHEN HUMAN EYES AREN'T SEEING
THINGS.
I DO REPRESENT A LOT
OF BUILDINGS IN THE AREA AND I
KNOW
THAT THE TENANTS ARE ALL IN
SUPPORT OF THIS.
THEY WANT TO SEE MORE EFFECTIVE
POLICING.
AGAIN, WITH THE STAFF
SHORTAGES, WHY NOT EMBRACE THIS
TECHNOLOGY?
YOU KNOW, WHY NOT GIVE IT
A TRIAL EFFORT?
WHY NOT TRY AND ROOT OUT THE BAD
ACTORS THAT ARE CAUSING HARM IN
OUR COMMUNITY AND CAUSING
PEOPLE TO FEEL UNSAFE?
I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT
YOU SHOULD CONSIDER AND CONSIDER
HEAVILY.
AND THAT'S ALL.
THANKS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP IS BRIGITTE
HARMAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY KATE
KEIJITUSAKI.
>> GOOD MORNING.
I WANTED TO SAY I WORK ON
NEAGLE. FROM MY DESK, I CAN VIEW
THE
WHOLE PARK BUT MORE
SPECIFICALLY THE BASKETBALL
COURT AREA.
THIS SECTION HAS BECOME A
VERY WELL KNOWN SPOT FOR
DRUG ACTIVITY AND WITH THAT
COMES
CRIME.
I WITNESS IT DAILY.
IT IS REALLY SAD TO SEE SUCH AN
AMAZING PARK AND IDLE PART
OF OUR COMMUNITY BE OVERRUN
AND BECOME AN UNSAFE PLACE FOR
PEOPLE.
I THINK INSTALLING CCTV CAMERAS
ON PIKE PINE AND
SPECIFICALLY NEAGLE WOULD BE A
VERY IN MAKING
THE COMMUNITY THAT MUCH
SAFER. NOT JUST FOR THOSE OF US
WHO WORK NEARBY, BUT FOR THE
ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF CAPITOL
HILL.
CAL ANDERSON IS A HUGE PART
OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WITH ALL THE CRIME ON
NEAGLE, IT REALLY DETERS
PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO ENJOY AND
USE
THE PARK.
AS MANY HAVE MENTIONED, THE EAST
PRECINCT IS STRESSED --
STRETCHED THIN AND CANNOT
ALWAYS RESPOND TO EVERY CALL IN
REAL-TIME. I BELIEVE WITH THIS
CCTV IN
PLACE, LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL HAVE
THE ABILITY TO REVIEW
INCIDENTS, IDENTIFY SUSPECTS,
WHETHER THROUGH FACIAL
RECOGNITION OR
LICENSE PLATE, AND ACT
ACCORDINGLY. IT WILL MAKE THEIR
JOBS
EASIER, OUR LIVES SAFER, AND THE
WHOLE COMMUNITY OF CAPITOL HILL
SAFER.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MY NAME IS KEIJI.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
SO I OWN THE STORE
ON CAPITOL HILL LIKE ACROSS THE
PARK.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FIVE
YEARS.
I'M ALWAYS THERE FROM NOON
TO 11:00 P.M.
I'VE BEEN SEEING THIS DRUG
DEALING, PEOPLE DIE, AND,
YEAH, AND STILL GOING ON.
EVERY DAY.
IT IS PRETTY SAME
PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMING THERE FOR
DRUG DEALING AND STUFF.
AND BY CAR, DRIVING.
I WISH IF YOU GUYS CAN PUT
THIS CAMERA AND TELL PEOPLE
THERE
IS A CAMERA ON THE STREET AND
I'M SURE IT IS GOING TO BE EASY
BEST WAY TO KNOW PEOPLE AND THEY
WILL
NOT COME BY CAR.
BUT, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY
THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE CS
FOLLOWED BY WILL TIM.
>> HI.
IT IS ALARMING HOW
MUCH INTEGRITY IS DEGRADED
ACROSS
COUNCIL.
THESE UPDATED S.I.R. s
WERE SUBMITTED TO
THE WRONG COMMITTEE AND AS
INFORMATION ITEM SO AS TO
AVOID RULES ABOUT
COUNCIL BILLS THAT NEED
THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION THAT
TAKES
MORE THAN ONE MEETING.
SPD LIED WHEN THEY
SAID THE CAMERAS ARE NOT GOING
TO BE LIVE
MONITORED AND TOLD COUNCIL THEY
WOULD BE AND THEY WOULD
NEED MORE FUNDING
FOR THAT. SPD LIED ABOUT THE
COST.
EVEN MORE CONCERNING CENTRAL
STAFF SEEMS TO
BE HIDING THAT THE UPDATED CCTV
S.I.R.
IF APPROVED AS IS WILL MAKE
THE SYSTEM PERMANENT, NOT A
PILOT, PLEASE READ THE TRACT
CHANGES VERSION OF THE S.I.R. ,
REFERENCES TO PILOT HAVE BEEN
REPLACED AND RESCOPED AND ITEM
4.4 SPD REMOVED THE
DEPLOYMENT IS LIMITED TO THE
PILOT.
AND SPD HAD TO HAVE
BEEN DRAFTING THESE UPDATED
S.I.R.
s BEFORE EVEN THE FIRST
CAMERAS WERE INSTALLED.
PLUS SPD INTENTIONALLY
RELEASED THE INITIAL S.I.R. s AS
A
PILOT TO GET THEIR FOOT IN THE
DOOR
WITH EASIER TO SWALLOW
LEGISLATION FOR THE PROCESS
OF PLANNING ALL ALONG TO
GET APPROVAL FOR THEIR ACTUAL
INTENSIONS FOR MASSIVE INTENTION
AND SCOPE AND DOESN'T
INCLUDE ANY I.T. HOSTED
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AND
ZERO
REVIEW BY THE
SURVEILLANCE WORKING GROUP
AND THE ADDED BENEFIT OF SPD OF
ERASING
THE ORIGINAL PRIVACY AND
CIVIL LIBERTIES IMPACT
ASSESSMENT
AND COMMENTS RECEIVED IN
OPPOSITION
TO THESE TECHNOLOGIES.
SPD SAID THIS WAS A PILOT
WITH EVALUATION AT THE ONE AND
TWO
YEAR MARKS BUT IT IS CLEAR THE
MAYOR SEES THE EVALUATION AS
WORK TO BE COMPLETED WITH ZERO
IMPACT BECAUSE HE, QUOTE, DOES
NOT BELIEVE THE
FORTHCOMING EVALUATION SHOULD BE
A
BARRIER, END QUOTE.
AND NEITHER DOES COUNCIL WHO
ARE ENTERTAINING THE UPDATES.
NO NEW MAPS ARE IN THE
PROPOSED BINDING LEGISLATION AND
ADDING SDOT'S CAMERAS VIOLATES
--
THE LICENSE PLATE READER
ORDINANCE.
PLEASE SEE MY EMAIL.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
AND TO THAT POINT, THANK YOU
FOR YOUR EMAIL, I READ IT TODAY,
OR THIS MORNING.
AND I RECOGNIZE THE
TALKING POINTS FROM THE EMAIL,
SO THANK YOU FOR SENDING BOTH.
THANKS.
>> WILL TIM.
>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS WILL.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE
IN EVERY CORNER OF THIS
GREAT COUNTRY AND AS OF THIS
SUMMER I'M PROUD TO CALL
SEATTLE HOME.
I'M THE FOUNDER OF A
COMPANY CALLED SPREE LLC,
ADVANCED A.I.
DRIVEN SECURITY SYSTEMS, THESE
SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED TO
ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY BY
MONITORING
AND MITIGATING POTENTIAL THREATS
IN
REAL-TIME.
OUR TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATES
WITH EXISTING SECURITY
INFRASTRUCTURE
USING BOTH LIDAR AND 3- D
MAPS FOR PRECISE SITUATIONAL
AWARENESS.
WE LEVERAGE OPEN CV FOR
OBJECT RECOGNITION AND
THREAT ASSESSMENT ENSURING OUR
SYSTEMS
CAN IDENTIFY AND TRACK
INDIVIDUALS OR POTENTIAL
THREATS ACCURATELY WITHIN THE
MOST SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTS.
OUR MISSION IS TO PREVENT
MASS SHOOTINGS AND OTHER
VIOLENT INCIDENTS IN PUBLIC
SPACES
BY PROVIDING A RAPID
RESPONSE SOLUTION THAT
COMMUNICATES
WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND OPERATES WITH HUMAN
OVERSIGHT.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THE FIRST REMOTE SPEAKER IS
LG.
PLEASE PRESS STAR 6
WHEN YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE BEEN
UNMUTED.
>> HELLO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YEAH, GO AHEAD.
>> ALL RIGHT.
SO, I DID HEAR A COUPLE PEOPLE
SAYING THAT CAL ANDERSON IS
A SAFE COMMUNITY FOR YOUTH AND I
WOULD LIKE TO SAY, WHEN
YOU'RE CONSIDERING
TARGETINGTARGETING PEOPLE, IT
BRINGS THEM TO A PLACE THAT
IS NOT CHANGE ANYTHING EXCEPT
MAKING SEATTLE HAVE AN
EASIER WAY TO IGNORE WHAT IS
HAPPENING.
IT IS
HAVING SURVEILLANCE DOESN'T MAKE
LIVES EASIER
FOR THOSE WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED
BY
IT, WHICH WOULD MOSTLY BE IN
THE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THOSE
WHO ARE DOING THINGS OUT OF
SCARCITY.
THE CHANGES BEING MADE
WITHOUT ENOUGH INTERACTION FROM
THOSE WHO ARE AFFECTED AND THE
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS
ALREADY
BEEN STEADILY INCREASING
THEIR PRESENCE AND FUNDS
WHILE NEEDS ARE ACTIVELY
NEGLECTED.
THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT
ACTING AS THOUGH ARE RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE EFFECTS THEY HAVE
ON COUNTLESS PEOPLE AND THE
POLICING SYSTEM WAS
BUILT WITH THE INTENTION OF
FINDING
AND CAPTURING RUNAWAY SLAVES AND
IT CONTINUED TO GROW AS A MEANS
TO
INCARCERATE AND PROFIT OFF
PEOPLE, LEAVING THEIR LIVES
CHANGED IN WAYS THAT ARE SO
D TO COME BACK FROM.
IT IS EASY TO IGNORE, BUT
YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, ARE IN
THIS ROLE WITH THE JOB TO LISTEN
AND REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF
SEATTLE.
MORE SURVEILLANCE IS NOT WHAT
WE NEED AND THERE IS NO REASON
FOR SPD TO OBTAIN A CLASS
A REAL- TIME CRIME CENTER
WHICH WOULD WEAKEN STATE LAWS
AND
ENDANGER IMMIGRANT RESIDENTS.
ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THE NEXT REMOTE
SPEAKER IS MATT OFFENBACKER.
>> HI, COUNCIL.
I'M CALLING TO SAY THAT I
AM APPALLED THAT YOU'RE
CONSIDER ING THE POLICE CAMERA
NETWORK.
COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH, YOU
CAN HOLD A PUBLIC TOWN HALL
ABOUT THIS.
IT IS SUMMER, MAYBE HAVE IT
OUT IN CAL ANDERSON, NEAR THE
BELOVED -- YOU HEARD FROM SOME
BUSINESS OWNERS AND
LANDLORDS THIS MORNING, BUT IF
YOU HELD
A WELL ADVERTISED PUBLIC FORUM,
I GUARANTEE YOU WOULD HEAR
FROM HUNDREDS OF CAPITOL
HILL RESIDENTS LIKE MYSELF WHO
REJECT THIS
PROPOSED SURVEILLANCE OF OUR
DAILY LIVES, WHO DO
NOT TRUST SPD AND WHO DO NOT
BELIEVE THE MAYOR AND SPD WHEN
THEY
CLAIM THAT
SENSITIVE SURVEILLANCE DATADATA
WILL
FALL INTO THE HANDS OF FEDERAL
AGENTS
WHO HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE
LAW OR DUE PROCESS AND WHO WILL
USE THIS DATA TO TRACK AND
PERSECUTE
IMMIGRANTS, TRANS FOLKS,
ACTIVISTS, AND MANY MORE OF YOUR
CONSTITUENTS. THE MAYOR AND SPD
TALK ABOUT
CAPITOL HILL AS THE NIGHT LIFE
DISTRICT, BUT THIS IS HOME
FOR MANY OF US.
QUEER FOLKS FEEL SAFER IN
CAPITOL HILL THAN WE DO
ANYWHERE ELSE IN WASHINGTON
STATE.
THIS IS PRECIOUS.
THESE CAMERAS WILL MAKE
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LESS SAFE.
WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE
FIRST ROUND OF CAMERAS AGAINST
OVERWHELMING PUBLIC
OPPOSITION, SPD AND THE MAYOR
SAID THIS
WILL BE A TWO- YEAR PILOT,
THEY SAID WE'RE GOING TO GATHER
EMPIRICAL
EVIDENCE AND SEE IF THESE
THINGS REDUCE VIOLENT CRIME
RATES. SO IT HAS BEEN ABOUT A
MONTH SINCE THE FIRST CAMERAS
WERE
STARTED UP.
WHAT POSSIBLE EVIDENCE CAN SPD
GIVE YOU TODAY TO
JUSTIFY EXPANDING THIS NETWORK?
THEY WILL TELL YOU
SOME STORIES THAT WILL SOUND
VERY
EXCITING, COMING STRAIGHT FROM A
TV
SHOW, THE HIGH TECH COP NABS THE
BAD
GUY.
AS YOU LISTEN, PLEASE
REMEMBER THESE ARE JUST STORIES.
NOT ANYTHING TO BASE A DECISION
ON THAT WILL PUT QUEER FOLKS AND
IMMIGRANTS AT RISK AND
WITH MONEY WE DON'T HAVE.
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT UP WE HAVE REBECCA
GARCIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY COCO
WEATHER.
>> HELLO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME.
CAN YOU
HEAR ME?
>> YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
>> OKAY.
GREAT.
MY NAME IS REBECCA GARCIA,
DOWNTOWN SEATTLE RESIDENT.
I'M HERE AS A MEMBER OF MY
COMMUNITY TODAY TO SPEAK
THAT MORE POLICE SURVEILLANCE IS
NOT
WHAT WE NEED.
COUNCILMEMBERS, NEIGHBORS,
I'M HERE SPEAKING TO YOU
TODAY BECAUSE SEATTLE IS VERY
QUIETLY CONSIDERING TO POWERFUL
NEW SURVEILLANCE TECH THAT CAN
TURN ANY CAMERA INTO A LICENSE
PLATE READER TRACKING WHERE
PEOPLE GO.
INCLUDING CLINICS,
CHURCHES, HOMES AND PROTESTS.
IF WE MOVE ALL THIS DATA TO A
THIRD PARTY CLOUD, WE RISK
HANDING IT OVER TO BAD ACTORS
AND OUT OF STATE AGENCIES
INCLUDING I.C.E. AND
ANTIABORTION STATES, VIOLATING
WASHINGTON'S OWN PRIVACY
LAWS AND MAKING IT EASIER TO
TARGET
IMMIGRANTS, WOMEN, TRANS
PEOPLE AND ACTIVISTS.
THESE ARE OUR FRIENDS, OUR
FAMILIES, OUR COMMUNITIES,
IT ISN'T HYPOTHETICAL.
IT ALREADY IS HAPPENING.
THE PRIVATIZATION OF
POLICING REPRESENTED BY RELYING
ON PRIVATE CONSUMERS TO EXPAND
THE
CAMERA NETWORK
UNDERMINES DEMOCRATIC VALUES.
EFFECTIVELY EXCLUDING SEATTLE'S
RESIDENTS FROM BEING ABLE TO
PROVIDE OUR INPUT AND OVERSIGHT
ON THE GROWING
SEATTLE SURVEILLANCE APPARATUS.
WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN HERE.
SPD ALREADY HAS THE TOOLS THEY
NEED.
WHAT WE DON'T NEED IS MORE
SURVEILLANCE, MORE RISK,
A POLICE STATE DOESN'T SPRING
INTO EXISTENCE OVERNIGHT.
IT STARTS WITH A SKYROCKETING
BUDGET, A SURVEILLANCE
METHOD THAT GROWS OUT OF
CONTROL,
AND PEOPLE TO --
>> THANK YOU, REBECK.
>> -- SCARED TO PUSH BACK.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP WE HAVE COCO
WEBER TO BE FOLLOWED BY P.J.
LAST.
GO AHEAD,
COCO.
>> HELLO, THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
I JUST WANT TO SHARE I AM A
RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 3, A
QUEER, A TEACHER AND A FORMER
COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH
CLINICIAN
AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER
CLINICIAN AND ALL THESE PEOPLE
SAYING THEY'RE SCARED ABOUT
WHAT'S GOING ON CAPITOL HILL,
IT IS
A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, AND
MASS SURVEILLANCE IS NOT GOING
TO
HELP A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
YOU NEED A PUBLIC HEALTH
RESPONSE.
YOU NEED SOCIAL SERVICES
AND WE'RE SPENDING HUNDREDS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON POLICE
TECH.
AND THAT IS DOING NOTHING
TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
SO I HEAR YOU'RE SCARED AND
MASS
SURVEILLING OUR POPULATION
IN THE MOST DIVERSE
NEIGHBORHOODS, THE FASCIST
RISING
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT IT.
THIS TECHNOLOGY VIOLATES THE
WASHINGTON SHIELD ACT
WHICH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO
ACCESS PROTECTED HEALTHCARE
SERVICES LIKE REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTHCARE,
ABORTION, DER AFFIRMING
CARE AND VIOLATES THE WASHINGTON
WORKING ACT, 1 MILLION
WASHINGTON WASHINGTONS ARE
IMMIGRANTS. IMMIGRANTS.
OVER 16% OF THE WORKFORCE IN
WASHINGTON ARE IMMIGRANTS
WHO WERE BORN IN OTHER
COUNTRIES.
OVER 15% OF BUSINESS OWNERS WERE
BORN IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.
THIS IS A REALLY SCARY THING
TO ALLOW MASS SURVEILLANCE IN
SEATTLE THAT CLAIMS TO PROTECT
IMMIGRANTS, CLAIMS TO PROTECT
WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND
HEALTHCARE AND GENDER AFFIRMING
CARE AND TO
MAKE THAT DATA AVAILABLE TO
A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT CAN BE
SUBPOENAED BY ANY OTHER COURT
IN ANY OTHER STATE, SUBPOENAED
BY
I.C.E. , SUBPOENAED BY ANY
OTHER BAD ACTOR, IS VERY SCARY.
AND SEATTLE CLAIMS TO BE
LIKE THIS GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE
TO
COME AND LIVE IN AND YOU'RE
FREE AND THAT IS NOT WHAT IS
GOING TO
HAPPEN.
I.C.E. HAS DISREGARD
FOR SANCTUARY LAWS.
THERE IS NO REASON THEY
WOULD ABIDE BY A CONTRACT WITH A
VENDOR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> AUSTIN, NASHVILLE, ALREADY
ABANDONED --
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT UP WE HAVE P.J. LAST.
>> HELLO, MY NAME IS P.J. LAST.
I OPPOSE THIS.
LET'S GET SEATTLE SPECIFIC.
SPD HAD THE HIGHER NUMBER
OF COPS JANUARY 6th ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
THAT'S SEATTLE SPECIFIC.
THE JUDGE WAS JUST CAUGHT
VIOLATING FREEDOM OF
INFORMATION ACT UNDER PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE
REQUEST, ACCORDING TO
WHISTLE- BLOWERS, THAT'S
SEATTLE
SPECIFIC.
WHEN IT CAME OUT THERE
ARE CAMERAS BEING SEARCHED
FOR I.C.E. AND TO FIND
PEOPLE SEEKING ABORTIONS,
WASHINGTON STATE WAS ALSO
SEARCHED
DESPITE THE WORKING ACT AND THE
SHIELD
LAW.
THAT'S ALSO ALL REALLY
LOCAL SPECIFIC FOR YOU.
AND THE RESPONSE TO THAT
WAS TO -- TELLING PEOPLE DON'T
USE THOSE SEARCH TERMS.
THAT'S WHAT IT BOILED DOWN TO.
LET'S NOT PRETEND THERE IS
ANY ACTUAL PROTECTION HERE.
LET'S KEEP IT SEATTLE SPECIFIC.
A SURVEY SHOWING THE LEVEL
OF SURVEILLANCE IN SEATTLE
IS ALREADY SO HIGH THAT IT HAS
A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE
OF SEATTLE.
THAT WAS BEFORE YOUR MASSIVE
EXPANSION.
THAT'S ALL SEATTLE SPECIFIC.
SPEAKING OF THESE EXPANSIONS,
HEY, THE OFFICE OF CIVIL RIGHTS,
COMMUNITY SURVEILLANCE
WORKING GROUP AND THE VAST
MAJORITY
OF PEOPLE IN SEATTLE, THOUSANDS
OF
PEOPLE, SUBMITTED
COMMENTS OPPOSED TO CCTV AND
RTCC
LAST YEAR WHICH YOU ALL IGNORED.
THAT'S SEATTLE SPECIFIC.
PEOPLE IN SEATTLE DO NOT
WANT THIS AS OPPOSED TO A COUPLE
OF CHAMBER STOOGES WHICH IS ALL
YOU CARE ABOUT LISTENING TO.
ALSO SEATTLE SPECIFIC, YOU
PROBABLY KNOW WE'RE FACING
A MASSIVE BUDGET SHORT
FALL. WHERE IS THE MONEY TO PAY
FOR THIS GOING TO COME FROM?
THERE IS OVER $10 MILLION
FOR THE TECHNOLOGIES IN THE
BUDGET, WHICH Y'ALL TOOK THAT
MONEY
FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
REMEMBER
THAT? YOU TOOK IT FROM SOMETHING
THAT IS ACTUALLY PROVEN TO
REDUCE
VIOLENCE, FOR
SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY WHICH
DON'T.
WANT TO TALK SEATTLE
SPECIFIC, THERE IS YOUR SEATTLE
SPECIFIC.
NONE OF THIS ACTUALLY
CREATES SAFETY AND YOU'RE
FURTHERING AUSTERITY AND
DEFUNDING THINGS THAT DO CREATE
SAFETY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> OUR LAST REMOTE SPEAKER
IS DAVID HAINES.
>> THANK YOU.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ON CAPITOL
HILL LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
OTHER
PEOPLE'S ADDICTION.
AND THEY'RE HAPPY WHEN
THEY'RE SAD AND JEALOUS MAD
WHEN YOU'RE
GLAD.
IT WOULD BE A BRILLIANT MOVE
TO INCORPORATE THE FUTURE KIOSKS
INTO THE CCTV SYSTEM WHEN
THERE IS A 911 EMERGENCY CALL
FOR SERVICE AND THE CRIMINALS
TAKE
OFF.
YOU COULD HAVE 911 TAP INTO
THE SYSTEM TO ASSIST COPS AND
TARGET THE CRIMINAL.
THOUGH YOU MIGHT HAVE TO
ADD SOME QUALIFIED CRIME
FIGHTERS INSIDE 911 CALL CENTERS
INSTEAD OF RELYING EXCLUSIVELY
ON
CIVILIANS WHO HAVE AN AGENDA TO
DE- ESCALATE PROPER POLICE
RESPONSE AND ARE NOT TACTICALLY
TRAINED FOR REAL CRIME
FIGHTING, ACTING MORE LIKE A
CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER
RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR THEIR
BROTHER FROM THE SMOTHER.
REMEMBER WHEN THE DEVIANT
POLICE CHIEF ADRIAN DIAZ WENT
OUT
INTO THE PINE AND PIKE CORRIDOR
AND GAVE A HEADS UP TO THE WHOLE
OF THE HOT SPOT CRIMINALS WITH
FLYERS, TALKING ABOUT
FUTURE POLICE ACTIONS,
ATTEMPTING
TO MANIPULATE THE 911 CALL
FOR SERVICE IN CERTAIN AREAS
BY FURTHER DISPERSING THE
MISLEADING COMMUNITY ABOUT
CRIME IS DOWN IN CERTAIN AREAS?
DECEIVING ABOUT PUBLIC
SAFETY WHILE LOOKING FOR AN
EASIER
PAYDAY?
THE SAME THING OCCURS NOW WITH
CCTV. IF YOU COULD INSTALL THE
CAMERAS WITHOUT ANNOUNCING TO
THE CRIMINALS YOU'RE RECORDING,
IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE.
INSTEAD THE NEW POLICE
CHIEF WANTS TO ANNOUNCE THAT
EVERYONE
THERE IS A RECORDING IN PROGRESS
WITH A BIG SIGN, AS CRIMINALS
HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THEY
ARE BEING RECORDED, MAKING
CRIME FIGHTING MORE DIFFICULT
THAN NECESSARY TO PROGRESSIVES
ALWAYS SYMPATHIZING WITH
CRIMINALS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW
HOW
OVERDRAMATIC BOTTOM OF
THE BARREL PROGRESSIVE DRAMA
QUEENS IN SEATTLE ARE, THE
BIGGEST THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY
IS
TO COPS
INSTEAD OF THE EVIL PREDATORS
AND CUSTOMS VIOLATORS.
DEFUND POLICE PROGRESSIVES
WHO CONTINUE TO SABOTAGE THE
INTEGRITY OF POLICE REFORM
AND RUN INTERFERENCE FOR THE
CITY'S PRIORITIES THAT
ORIGINATED
FROM WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THE
REPEAT
CRIMINALS WHO SABOTAGED
STARTING WITH --
>> NO ADDITIONAL REGISTERED
SPEAKERS.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK.
PUBLIC COMMENT HAS EXPIRED.
WE WILL NOW PROCEED TO OUR ITEMS
OF BUSINESS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE
ENCOURAGED TO EITHER
SUBMIT WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON
THE
SIGNUP CARDS AVAILABLE ON
THE PODIUM OR EMAIL THE COUNCIL
AT
COUNCIL@SEATTLE.GOV.
AND THANK YOU, EVERYONE,
FOR PARTICIPATING IN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
AND I DID FIND THE EMAIL,
SO THANK YOU, I FORWARDED IT TO
MY
TEAM.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I WANTED TO NOTE MY VICE- CHAIR
HAS GONE FROM REMOTE TO IN
PERSON, THANK YOU, VICE- CHAIR
SAKA.
AND WE ALSO HAVE NOT A MEMBER OF
THE COMMITTEE, BUT WELCOME
ALL THE
SAME, COUNCILMEMBER RINCK HAS
JOINED US AS WELL.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO
OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS, WILL
THE CLERK
PLEASE READ ITEM 1 INTO THE
RECORD.
>> CLOSED- CIRCUIT TELEVISION
AND REAL- TIME CRIME CENTER
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORT
MATERIAL
UPDATES.
>> THANK YOU, CLERK.
WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON MY
LIST, SO WHY DON'T WE START
WITH INTRODUCTIONS FOR THE
RECORD.
STARTING WITH DEPUTY MAYOR
BURGESS.
>> GOOD MORNING,
COUNCILMEMBERS, DEPUTY MAYOR TIM
BURGESS.
>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.
LEE HUNT, SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, CRIME AND COMMUNITY
HARM
REDUCTION.
>> THANK
YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING,
COUNCILMEMBERS, BRIAN MAXEY,
SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, CHIEF OPERATING
OFFICER.
>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
CAPTAIN JIM BRITT, SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT, I
OVERSEE TECHNOLOGY AND
INNOVATION.
>> GOOD MORNING, NICK
ZAJCHOWSKI, THE PROJECT
MANAGER FOR THE CCTV AND REAL-
TIME
CRIME CENTER.
>> GOOD MORNING, GREG
DOSS, CENTRAL STAFF.
>> THANK YOU.
AND WELCOME AGAIN.
LET'S PROCEED WITH THE BRIEFING
AND PROBABLY BEST BECAUSE, YOU
KNOW, THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING
AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME,
BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS BUSY,
WHY DON'T WE GO THROUGH THE
BRIEFING FIRST AND THEN HAVE
THE QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE
BRIEFING.
WHICH, OF COURSE,
WE'LL START WITH MY VICE-CHAIR,
JUST SO WE
KNOW.
ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.
>> VERY WELL, SIR, THANK YOU.
WE'LL HAVE A BRIEF SLIDE
DECK FOLLOWED BY A SHORT VIDEO
AND I'LL TALK YOU THROUGH AND
THEN WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS
THAT
MAY COME UP.
THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY,
THE PILOT PROJECT,
ORIGINAL SURVEILLANCE IMPACT
REPORT
FOR THE CCTV AND RTCC WAS PASSED
LAST OCTOBER.
THE ORDINANCE NUMBERS ARE THERE.
THE CURRENT PILOT AREAS FOR
CCTV INCLUDE
THE ÷÷CHINATOWN- INTERNATIONAL
DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN CORE
AND AURORA AVENUE NORTH.
TO DATE, WE HAVE INSTALLED 57 OF
THE CAMERAS THAT WERE
APPROVED WITH JUST A HANDFUL
LEFT IN THE
VARYING AREAS.
THE RTCC ITSELF LAUNCHED
FULLY ON MAY 20 th, 2025.
JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.
SINCE THAT
TIME, WE HAVE
ASSISTED WITH OVER 1,000 911
CALLS FOR SERVICE AND
THAT VARIES FROM LOOKING UP
INFORMATION IN OUR SYSTEMS
ALL THE WAY UP TO
PROVIDING REAL-TIME INFORMATION
VIA
THE CAMERAS THAT WERE INSTALLED
TO THE RESPONDING UNITS TO AID
IN
A DESIRABLE OUTCOME.
WE ALSO HAVE ASSISTED IN
MORE THAN 90 VIOLENT
CRIME INVESTIGATIONS
AIDING INVESTIGATORS IN
REVIEWING
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND
LOOKING UP ADDITIONAL
VIDEO FOOTAGE THAT COULD BE
AVAILABLE.
COUPLE OF THE
EFFECTIVENESS CASES THAT WE
WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT, DRIVE BY
SHOOTING RESULTED IN THE SUSPECT
BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY, WE
ACTUALLY
HAVE A BRIEF SNIPPET OF THIS
IN THE VIDEO COMING UP.
FOOTAGE FROM A STABBING
INCIDENT USED TO ASSIST
INVESTIGATORS. THAT INVOLVED A
SUBJECT
WHO THREATEN A PERSON WITH A
KNIFE AND THEN STABBED ANOTHER
AND ENDED UP CROSSING INTO AN
AREA WHERE THE CAMERAS WERE ABLE
TO AID OFFICERS IN
IDENTIFYING, LOCATING AND
ARRESTING THAT
INDIVIDUAL. FEMALE REPORTED AN
ATTEMPTED
ROBBERY, OF COURSE, MANY
TIMES WE RESPOND TO CALLS WE GET
TWO SIDES OF THE STORY, WITH
NO OBJECTIVE INFORMATION ABOUT
WHAT OCCURRED.
IN THIS
CASE, IT WAS A REPORT OF A
ROBBERY WHERE A MALE ATTEMPTED
TO TAKE A WOMAN'S PURSE,
HE DENIED THE ALLEGATIONS, BUT
THE CCTV FOOTAGE THAT WAS
REVIEWED AND ADVISED TO THE
OFFICERS
BY THE REAL- TIME CRIME CENTER
WAS ABLE TO SUPPORT THE
VICTIM'S ALLEGATIONS AND THE
SUSPECT
WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
ANOTHER CASE WHERE I LOCATED A
SUSPECT AFTER THE VICTIM CALLED
911 TO
REPORT SOMEONE WAS FOLLOWING
THEM WITH A KNIFE
AND ANOTHER SIMILAR INCIDENT TO
THE
STABBING.
911 CALL OF 3 TO 4
PEOPLE FIGHTING IN THE
STREET, A LOT OF INFORMATION
FROM OUR WITNESSES
WHO OFTENTIMES WILL SEE
THINGS THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY
OCCUR. THE CAMERAS TELL US THE
REAL
STORY.
SO, IN THIS CASE, A WITNESS
CALLED IN AND SAID THERE
WERE THIS MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED,
TURNS OUT THEY IDENTIFIED A
BYSTANDER AS AN INVOLVED PARTY
AND SO
BY USING THE FOOTAGE, THE
OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY
CLEAR SOMEBODY OF AN ANY
WRONGDOING
IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
ONE OF THESE CASES WAS AN iPHONE
CRASH DETECTION, A CAR
WAS INVOLVED IN THE COLLISION
AND THE iPHONE CALLED 911.
THE CALL CAME IN AS AN
UNKNOWN INJURY COLLISION AND
ENTERED
THE QUEUE, AND BOTH DISPATCH AND
THE
RTCC STARTED WORKING TO
FIND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THE RTCC LOCATED THE
CAMERA, DETERMINED IT WAS
ACTUALLY A
ROLLOVER COLLISION, WHICH
WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SEVERE
THAN WAS ORIGINALLY INDICATED
AND WERE ABLE TO SPIN UP THE
APPROPRIATE RESOURCES TO
RESPOND MUCH MORE SWIFTLY AND
AID THE
PERSONNEL INVOLVED.
THESE ARE A FEW OF THE THOUSAND
EXAMPLES THAT HAVE GONE ON
INCE WE HAVE GONE
LIVE. THE PURPOSE OF THE
LEGISLATION, WE'RE ASKING FOR
EXPANSION OF
CAMERAS INTO THREE ADDITIONAL
AREAS.
THE CCTV CAMERAS WOULD
INVOLVE THE STADIUM DISTRICT
AROUND
THE TWO MAJOR SPORTS STADIUMS,
THE GARFIELD NOVA HIGH SCHOOL
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND
THE CAPITOL HILL NIGHT LIFE
DISTRICT AS WAS
PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED IN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THE CHANGES TO THE RETENTION
POLICY SIMPLY REFLECT THE
CITY AND STATE RETENTION
SCHEDULES
UP TO 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE
OF RECORDING OR TO DETERMINE
NO INCIDENT OCCURRED THAT
HAD EVIDENTIARY VALUE BEFORE
BEING
DELETED. THIS BRINGS THE RTCC --
THE LEGISLATION LANGUAGE
IN ALIGNMENT WITH CITY POLICY.
TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE STILL
ONLY RECORDING FOR FIVE DAYS
RIGHT
NOW.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE IN
THIS PROCESS.
THE SECOND PIECE IS THE
RTCC MATERIAL UPDATE.
THIS GIVES THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT THE ABILITY TO RECORD
AND VIEW THE SDOT
TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CAMERAS
THROUGH THE
RTCC SOFTWARE.
THE CAMERAS ALL BROADCAST ON
TO A PUBLIC WEBSITE AND
THEY'RE RECORDED BY OTHER
PARTIES WHO
SELL THAT FOOTAGE TO
INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR
THEIR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES.
WE'RE ASKING TO GET ACCESS
TO THOSE CAMERAS SO THAT
WE CAN DO
OUR JOBS MORE EFFICIENTLY AS
WELL.
THESE ARE MAPS OF THE
PROPOSED EXPANDED AREAS.
FIRST OF COURSE BEING THE
GARFIELD HIGH SCHOOL
AREA, SECOND BEING THE STADIUM
DISTRICT AND THE THIRD BEING
THE CAPITOL HILL NIGHT LIFE
AREA, WHICH INCLUDES
NEAGLE PLACE WHERE SEVERAL OF
THE COMMENTERS
MENTIONED CONCERNS ABOUT
THE SAFETY IN THAT PARTICULAR
SPOT.
THE FISCAL IMPACT HERE FOR THE
THREE AREAS, $425,000 FOR
THE GARFIELD NOVA HIGH SCHOOL
AREA, WITH $40,000 IN ONGOING
ANNUAL
COSTS FOR CAMERA MAINTENANCE AND
CONNECTIVITY. THAT MONEY WAS
ALREADY INCLUDED
IN THE 2025 BUDGET, THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBERS.
THE $200,000 FOR THE
STADIUM DISTRICT DEPLOYMENT WITH
$20,000
IN ONGOING ANNUAL COSTS
IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET
PROPOSAL FOR FIFA WORLD CUP.
WE'RE AWAITING RESOLUTION ON
THAT.
AND $400,000 FOR
THE CAPITOL HILL NIGHT LIFE AREA
DEPLOYMENT
WITH THE 35,000 ONGOING ANNUAL
COSTS. THAT FUNDING HAS YET TO
BE
IDENTIFIED.
WHAT WILL NOT CHANGE AND THIS
IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT, ALL
SPD OWNED CAMERAS ARE SUBJECT TO
THE PILOT EVALUATION.
THIS IS STILL A PILOT PROJECT.
WE ARE STILL DOING OUR
EVALUATIONS.
THERE IS NOTHING PERMANENT
ABOUT THIS.
WE STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THIS ACTUALLY DOES WHAT WE
NEED IT TO DO.
THE FUNCTIONS OF THE RTCC
IS ALSO UNCHANGED AND WILL
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT REAL- TIME
RESPONSE
AND INVESTIGATION OF INCIDENTS.
THIS SIMPLY ALLOWS US TO SUPPORT
MORE RESPONSES AND MORE
INVESTIGATIONS IN MORE AREAS.
BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS,
I'LL CUT TO THE VIDEO WE WANTED
TO SHOW YOU.
SO LET ME SHARE FOR A MOMENT IF
I MAY.
I'LL JUST PULL UP THE VIDEO.
I'LL TALK YOU THROUGH -- THERE
IS NO AUDIO IN THERE PARTICULAR
VIDEO.
WE HAVE ASSISTED
IN OVER A THOUSAND CALLS FOR
SERVICE
AND THE 75 MUST NUMBER IS
OUTDATED WITH
57 CAMERAS.
THIS IS A CALL WHERE THERE WERE
GUNSHOTS, WITNESSES TALKED
ABOUT TWO VEHICLES SHOOTING AND
ONE CHASING THE OTHER AND
SHOOTING.
SHELL CASINGS AND
BULLET FRAGMENTS RECOVERED.
OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO REVIEW
THE VIDEO AND IDENTIFY THE
VEHICLES
INVOLVED. WERE ABLE TO TRACK
DOWN
THE VEHICLE THROUGH
INVESTIGATIVE
MEANS, IDENTIFY THE
DRIVER, SPEAK WITH THEM, AND
ENDED
UP MAKING AN ARREST ON THIS
CASE.
YOU'LL SEE THE VIDEO HERE
FROM TWO DIFFERENT CAMERAS, THE
FIRST CAMERA SHOWS A VEHICLE
THAT
IS CHASING THE OTHER.
SO THE FIRST VEHICLE IS THE
TRUCK, THE SECOND VEHICLE AS
YOU SEE CROSSED OVER THE YELLOW
LINE AND IS CHASING THE OTHER
VEHICLE.
THE NEXT CAMERA YOU'LL SEE
HERE,
THE VEHICLE IN THE BACK
STICKS HIS HAND OUT AND SHOOTS
AT THE
DRIVER.
IT WAS AN OWNER CHASING
HIS STOLEN VEHICLE.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO CONTACT THE
OWNER,
GET THE VEHICLE BACK AND TAKE
THE PERSON INTO CUSTODY.
THIS WAS A CALL REGARDING A MAN
BRANDISHING A KNIFE FROM
AURORA. THEY WERE ABLE TO LOCATE
THE SUBJECT ON CAMERA AND YOU'LL
SEE THAT HE ACTUALLY WAS
CARRYING A
VERY LARGE KNIFE AND WE
WERE ABLE TO GUIDE OFFICERS
BY WATCHING HIM ON CAMERA AS
HE MOVED AND TAKE THE PERSON
INTO
CUSTODY. THE VICTIMS WERE
UNWILLING TO COOPERATE IN THE
LEGAL
PROCESS BUT WE WERE ABLE TO
REMOVE
A PERSON FROM A DANGEROUS
SITUATION.
YOU'LL SEE HERE OUR CAMERAS,
UP HERE AT AURORA AND 90th,
WERE FACING ACROSS THE WAY AND
SAW THE SUSPECT.
WE'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN JUST A
MOMENT.
YOU SEE IN HIS LEFT HAND
HE'S CARRYING A RATHER LARGE
BOWIE
HUNTING, SOME OTHER KIND OF
LARGE STYLE KNIFE.
AND IT WAS VERY OPEN, IT WASN'T
SHEATHED, WASN'T BACKPACKED, IN
HIS HAND.
AND THIS PERSON WAS ACCUSED
OF THREATENING PEOPLE WITH
THE KNIFE AND, AGAIN,
UNFORTUNATELY THE VICTIM WAS
UNWILLING TO
COOPERATE.
AS THE PERSON MOVED
THROUGHOUT THE AURORA CORRIDOR,
WE
WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE OUR
CAMERAS,
SO RATHER THAN THE
OFFICERS RESPONDING TO WHERE THE
SUSPECT
WAS, THEY WERE ABLE TO
RESPOND TO WHERE THE SUSPECT IS
AND
TAKE THEM INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT
INCIDENT.
AND THE THIRD AND FINAL
EXAMPLE ON MAY 24th, A
PEDESTRIAN
WAS STRUCK BY A VEHICLE AT
THE CORNER -- I BELIEVE 8 AND
JACKSON. PERHAPS 10 AND JACKSON.
NO, 8 AND JACKSON.
UNFORTUNATELY THE FOOTAGE WAS A
LITTLE BIT BLURRY, WE WERE
UNABLE TO GET TAGS OR
OTHER INFORMATION OFF THE
VEHICLE. THIS FOOTAGE DID
FURTHER THE
INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS VERY
QUICKLY, IDENTIFYING WHAT
HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
AND GUIDING OFFICERS
AND DETECTIVES IN
THEIR INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS
WHICH ARE
ONGOING.
FOR ANYBODY WATCHING THIS,
IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT
THIS
INCIDENT,
URGE YOU TO CALL
SEATTLE PD. THIS IS ONGOING.
THE SUSPECT VEHICLE WILL
OVERTAKE THE CAR
APPROACHING HERE AND WE'LL
SWITCH TO
THE OTHER ANGLE OF THE CAMERA.
AND THE VEHICLE
FLEES. THOSE THINGS HAPPENED SO
QUICKLY AND SO MANY CASES THAT
PEOPLE DON'T OFTEN GET LICENSE
PLATES, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF
GOOD
INFORMATION, THEY CAN'T
BELIEVE WHAT THEY JUST SAW.
WE ARE NOW STAFFED 8:00 A.M.
TO 3:00 A.M. EACH DAY SEVEN DAYS
A WEEK TO SUPPORT THESE TYPES OF
OPERATIONS.
I'LL STOP SHARING.
MAYBE.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?
>> NO, SIR THAT CONCLUDES OUR
PRESENTATION.
TRYING TO GET TO A SLIDE THAT
WE CAN LEAVE UP ON THE SCREEN.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
VICE- CHAIR
SAKA?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, CAPTAIN
BRITT, MEMBERS OF THE SEATTLE
POLICE
DEPARTMENT, DEPUTY MAYOR BURGESS
AND MR. DOSS FROM THE CENTRAL
STAFF.
APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION
AND THE
INSIGHTS. I AM PLEASED TO BE
ABLE
TO SUPPORT THE ROLLOUT OF THE
SOTO CAMERAS IN THE STADIUM
DISTRICT
AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT
AREA, I KNOW
MY CONSTITUENTS THERE ARE IN
STRONG SUPPORT
OF THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO
HELP FIGHT CRIME.
IN SOME CASES PREVENT CRIME.
AND SO, A LOT OF SMALL
BUSINESS ACTIVITY AROUND THERE,
HEAVY
FREIGHT CORRIDOR, OF COURSE.
AND DID I MENTION WORLD CUP?
SO, EXCITED ABOUT THAT
OPPORTUNITY.
WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR
DEPLOYMENT AND
ROLLOUT IS ALSO THOUGHTFUL AS
WELL IN LINE WITH SOME OF
OUR PREVIOUS ADOPTIONS.
SO, CAN YOU HELP ME
BETTER UNDERSTAND ON SLIDE FOUR
THERE,
IT NOTES THAT
THE DEPARTMENT IS PART OF THIS
PROPOSAL AND
IS SEEKING ACCESS TO EXISTING
SDOT FEEDS OF TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT
CAMERAS.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT
MORE ABOUT THAT?
I'LL STOP
THERE.
>> CERTAINLY, SIR.
SDOT DEPLOYED
CAMERAS AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC
MANAGEMENT
SOLUTIONS. THOSE CAMERAS, 500
PLUS IF
I'M NOT MISTAKEN RIGHT NOW.
350 CAMERAS SCATTERED
THROUGHOUT THE CITY ARE UTILIZED
BY DOT TO
MONITOR TRAFFIC FLOW
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AS PART OF THEIR
DEPLOYMENT, THEY ALSO BROADCAST
THOSE CAMERAS LIVE ON A WEBSITE,
ANY PERSON CAN GO IN AND REVIEW
OR WATCH THE CAMERAS
LIVE. THERE ARE IES OUT
THERE THAT RECORD THOSE FEEDS.
THIRD PARTIES THAT RECORD
THEM AND SELL THAT INFORMATION
TO INSURANCE COMPANIES.
AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, DOT
DOES NOT RECORD THOSE EXCEPT FOR
PURPOSES OF TRAFFIC STUDIES
AND BECAUSE SPD DOESN'T PULL
THE CAMERAS INTO OUR PLATFORMS,
WE DON'T RECORD THEM EITHER.
SO WHEN AN INCIDENT HAS
OCCURRED, THOSE CAMERAS
PROVIDE NO VALUE TO THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR GOING BACK
AND DOING INVESTIGATIVE
PURPOSES.
THE ONLY WAY THEY
WOULD CURRENTLY BE USABLE IS IF
WE WERE LIVE MONITORING AN
INCIDENT
OR EVENT UTILIZING THE CAMERAS.
THIS ASK IS THAT WE'RE ABLE
TO PULL THOSE CAMERAS IN,
RECORD THEM THE WAY WE DO OUR
OTHER EXISTING CAMERA
FEEDS, ESSENTIALLY TAKING
ADVANTAGE
OF EXISTING CAMERA APPARATUS.
>> GOT IT.
AND
SO --
>> IF I CAN ADD ON TO THIS.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE
TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT CAMERAS.
SO NOT THE RED LIGHT
CAMERAS, NOT THE SPEED
CAMERAS.
>> THANK YOU.
AND SO, COLLEAGUES, ACROSS THE
STREET, SDOT MANAGES
THE OPERATIONS CENTER,
TRAFFIC OPERATIONS CENTER WITH
LIVE
REAL- TIME TRAFFIC
FEEDS, PRIMARILY FOR PURPOSES OF
MONITORING CONGESTION AND
THAT KIND OF THING.
IT IS A FUN FIELD TRIP.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IF YOU
HAVE THE TIME, FIND THE TIME TO
JUST QUICKLY POP ACROSS THE
STREET AND GET A TOUR, MEET THE
TEAM.
I'VE DONE IT.
AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE
CAMERAS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HERE
IS SEEKING TO HAVE ACCESS TO IN
THIS CASE.
AND IT IS A BIT REMARKABLE
THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF
FORMAL LEGISLATION THE
DEPARTMENT WOULD
BE OTHERWISE UNABLE TO
ACCESS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE
CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT EVEN THIRD
PARTY
PRIVATE COMPANIES AND
SELLERS, COMMERCIALIZE AND SELL
TO INSURANCE COMPANIES.
WE NEED FORMAL LEGISLATION
TO MERELY HAVE ACCESS TO DATA
THAT THE CITY COLLECTS ANYWAY.
HERE WE ARE.
CAN YOU HELP ME BETTER
UNDERSTAND, SO THESE
CAMERAS THEMSELVES WITH RESPECT
TO
THE CCTV CAMERA DEPLOYMENT, THE
CAMERAS THEMSELVES IN MY
VIEW ARE NOT INHERENTLY
BIASED. THAT SAID, IF NOT
THOUGHTFULLY
DEPLOYED, CAN BE BIASED IN
TERMS OF OUTCOMES AND RESULTS.
AND SO AS THE EXECUTIVE IS
THINKING ABOUT DEPLOYING THESE
CAMERAS, IN THE MOST THOUGHTFUL
MANNER, TO REDUCE, MITIGATE
AND AVOID INCIDENTS OF BIAS
AND BIASED OUTCOMES, HOW IS
IT APPROACHING THAT VITAL WORK?
HOW ARE WE APPROACHING THAT
VITAL WORK?
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA,
WE APPROACH THAT AT SEVERAL
LEVELS.
FIRST,
WE ASK THE QUESTION, WHERE
SHOULD THESE CAMERAS BE
INSTALLED.
THERE ARE THREE CRITERIA THAT
WE USE TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION.
THE PRESENCE OF REPEATED GUN
VIOLENCE OR THE PRESENCE OF
HUMAN TRAFFICKING
OR CONCENTRATED FELONY CRIME
THAT MORE TRADITIONAL
POLICING METHODS HAS NOT BEEN
ABLE TO
ABATE.
IF A LOCATION MEETS ANY ONE
OF THOSE THREE CRITERIA, THEN
IT POTENTIALLY BECOMES A SITE
WHERE WE WOULD INSTALL THE CCTV
CAMERAS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE
HAVE MULTIPLE SAFEGUARDS BUILT
IN
TO THE SYSTEM.
WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT
THE COUNCIL HAS PASSED THAT
RESTRICT
HOW THE INFORMATION CAN BE USED.
WE HAVE STATE LAW THAT
APPLIES THAT RESTRICT HOW
THE INFORMATION CAN BE USED.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS
NEGOTIATED SPECIAL PROVISIONS IN
CONTRACTS WITH OUR THIRD
PARTY VENDORS THAT RESTRICT HOW
THEY CAN USE THE INFORMATION.
AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT POLICIES ON HOW THE
CAMERAS
CAN BE MONITORED, WHO HAS
ACCESS, THE AUDIT TRAIL THAT IS
BUILT
INTO ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS, SO
THAT THE OFFICE OF
INSPECTOR GENERAL OR THE OFFICE
OF POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY WHICH HAVE FULL
ACCESS AND AUDIT AUTHORITY
CAN FIND OUT WHICH INDIVIDUALS
HAVE
ACTUALLY LOGGED IN AND LOOKED
AT CAMERA FOOTAGE OR ALPR
INFORMATION, WHATEVER THE CASE
MAY BE.
SO, MAYOR HARRELL WAS VERY
CLEAR FROM THE VERY BEGINNING,
WE
WANT SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE SO THAT
WE
CAN USE THESE TECHNOLOGIES
WISELY AND EFFECTIVELY, BUT
NOT VIOLATE PRIVACY, NOT
VIOLATE CIVIL LIBERTIES THAT WE
ALL
CHERISH.
>> THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE RECITATION
OF SOME OF THOSE ROBUST PRIVACY
AND SECURITY SAFEGUARDS I'M
VERY --
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH
THEM, BECAUSE I WROTE SOME OF
THEM,
MANY OF THEM MYSELF
WITH PREVIOUS IMPLEMENTATIONS
AND
DEPLOYMENTS OF THE SAME
TECHNOLOGY AND MY HOPE WOULD BE
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO
CLOSELY REVIEW THE PROPOSAL
AS MUCH AS I WOULD HAVE LIKED,
AND EMBARRASSINGLY I HAVEN'T
READ
YET OUR OWN
CENTRAL STAFF'S EXCELLENT MIM
MEMO.
I KNOW IT IS EXCELLENT
BECAUSE THE WORK PRODUCT IS
ALWAYS
EXCELLENT.
I'LL FOCUS ON THE COMP
PLAN AND OTHER THINGS THIS WEEK.
BUT I'LL REVIEW THAT.
MY HOPE IS THAT THOSE
SAME SAFEGUARDS REPORTED OVER
HERE AND THAT WILL GUIDE MY
APPROACH AS WE CONSIDER THIS
PROPOSAL.
BUT STRONGLY DO SUPPORT
THE GENERAL PROPOSITION WE NEED.
I THINK THIS IS A -- THESE
THREE LOCATIONS SEEM TO
MAKE SENSE, ESPECIALLY THE ONE
IN MY OWN
DISTRICT.
AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE
SURE DEPLOYMENT IS THOUGHTFUL.
AND LAST QUESTION, AND BY
THOUGHTFUL DEPLOYMENT THAT
INCLUDES ROBUST PRIVACY
AND SECURITY SAFEGUARDS.
LAST QUESTION, AROUND THE
CCTV IMPLEMENTATION HERE, CAN
YOU
CLARIFY, IS THIS
JUST THE RAW FOOTAGE ONLY THAT
WE WOULD HAVE
ACCESS TO AND BE ABLE TO VIEW
OR ARE THERE ANY
ANALYTICS CAPABILITIES BUILT ON
TOP OF THE
UNDERLYING CCTV FOOTAGE TO
FACILITATE REVIEW AND
INVESTIGATIONS?
>> THE ORIGINAL CCTV AND RTCC
S.I.R. s INCLUDE THE
CAPABILITIES PUT IN PLACE ON THE
CAMERAS
WE ARE DEPLOYING.
THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE ANY
KIND OF FACIAL RECOGNITION.
I'LL REPEAT THAT AGAIN,
JUST TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR.
WE WILL NOT BE USING FACIAL
RECOGNITION.
WE'RE NOT USING BIOMETRICS,
NOT USING KINESTHETICS, ANY KIND
OF OTHER BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING -- WHAT IT
CAN DO IS OBJECT RECOGNITION.
FOR EXAMPLE, A RED TOYOTA, OR
A BLUE TRUCK, OR IN THE CASE
OF THE EXAMPLE USED IS THE
BOSTON
MARATHON BOMBING WHEN THEY
WERE LOOKING FOR SUSPECTS
WEARING HATS AND BACKPACKS.
WE CAN USE THE CAMERAS TO
IDENTIFY PEOPLE WEARING HATS AND
BACKPACKS. BUT REGARDING A.I. ,
THE HUMAN
IN THE LOOP, THE RTCC ANALYST
ASKS THE SYSTEM TO FIND
SOMETHING THAT FITS THAT
DESCRIPTION,
HAT, BACK TACK, RED SHIRT, BLACK
PANTS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE
AND GIVES THEM EXAMPLES AND THAT
IT FINDS WITHIN THE FOOTAGE,
WITHIN THE TIME FRAME AND AREA
ASKED AND THEY CAN WORK TROUGH
THAT FOOTAGE TO DETERMINE WHAT
IF ANY
IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT, AGAIN, WE USE NO
FACIAL RECOGNITION OR BIOMETRICS
OF
ANY KIND.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT
THE BOSTON MARATHON EXAMPLE.
IT IS ONE THAT IS NEAR AND
DEAR TO ME PERSONALLY BECAUSE I
WAS
THERE.
I'M A SURVIVOR, FINISHER AND
QUALIFIER OF THE 2013 BOSTON
MARATHON AND I WAS A BLOCK
AWAY FROM BOYLSTON STREET WHEN
BOTH THOSE BOMBS WENT OFF.
ME AND MY WIFE, BOTH, RAN IT.
I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT.
AND THEN THE ENSUING FALLOUT.
WHAT THAT MEANT FOR THE CITY
OF BOSTON AND THE COUNTRY IN
THE IMMEDIATE
AFTERMATH. AND ALSO THANKS FOR
CLARIFYING THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY
NO
FACIAL RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY
TIED TO
OR ASSOCIATED BUILT
IN CAPABILITIES CHAINED ON
TOP OF THIS PROPOSED DEPLOYMENT.
I THINK THAT CALLOUT OR ANY
BIOMETRICS CAPABILITIES,
MORE BROADLY ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS,
I THINK THAT IS VERY, VERY,
VERY IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE.
AND HIGHLIGHT.
BECAUSE WE DO VALUE PRIVACY AND
SECURITY SAFEGUARDS HERE IN
THE CITY OF SEATTLE AND OUR
CIVIL LIBERTIES AND THIS IS NOT
THE
PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF
CHINA, WHERE WE HAVE SOCIAL
SCORES
THAT HAVE FACIAL
RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY BUILT IN
ON TOP
OF THE CCTVs ON EVERY BLOCK
AND WILL TRACK IF YOU DON'T
DO SOMETHING FOR THE PARTY OR
STATE AND THEY'LL MONITOR YOU
AND THEY'LL ASSIGN YOU A SCORE,
THIS IS NOT THAT.
BUT IT CAN BE, AGAIN, A
THOUGHTFULLY DEPLOYED A VITAL
TOOL.
SO, IN ANY EVENT, THANK
YOU, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION
HERE AND THE PREBRIEFING AS
WELL.
AND NO FURTHER QUESTIONS,
COMMENTS, MR.
CHAIR.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU,
VICE-CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR
THE RECOGNITION OF THE
SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE AND THE
S.I.R. s
AND THE DIFFERENT PURPOSES AS IT
RELATES TO SDOT, FOR EXAMPLE,
VERY DIFFERENT PURPOSES WITH
SPD VERSUS SDOT.
BEFORE WE GO TO
COUNCIL PRESIDENT ON THIS POINT
ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS, I
DO
WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT
WE DO HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF
OUR ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS IN
THE AUDIENCE TODAY.
I WANT TO WELCOME THEM AND
SAY THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
OKAY.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
PRESENTATION. I WANT TO KNOW THE
TWO NIGHTS
AGO, THE COLUMBIA
FUNERAL HOME WAS BURNED DOWN.
ARSON.
CAUSING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS OF DAMAGE TO
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD
INSTITUTION BASICALLY THAT HAD
BEEN THERE
SINCE, YOU KNOW, BUILT I
THINK IN 1907 OR SO.
ANYWAY.
I WAS LISTENING TO THE
REVIEW AND I HEARD THAT SEATTLE
MEDIA
HAD ACTUALLY DOWNLOADED
FOOTAGE OR THEY LOOKED AT
FOOTAGE OF
THE SDOT CAMERAS AND NOTICED IN
ONE OF THE CORNERS OF THE FRAME
THAT
THEY SAW THAT THE ARSON WAS
CAPTURED CLEARLY ON THE VIDEO.
TO YOUR POINT THAT THIS FOOTAGE
FROM SDOT CAMERAS IS ALSO
USED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES, ET
CETERA, BECAUSE IT IS PUBLICLY
AVAILABLE.
SO, THAT MEDIA PROVIDED
THE VIDEO THAT ALLOWED THE
FIRE INVESTIGATORS TO REALLY
QUICKLY DECLARE THAT IT WAS
INDEED AN
ACT OF ARSON.
MY QUESTION THAT VIDEO
BE USED IN THE
UPCOMING INVESTIGATION AND HOW
WOULD THIS
BILL IMPACT THAT CHANGE
-- CHANGE THE
ABILITY TO USE THAT VIDEO?
OR IS IT JUST KIND OF
MOOT BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY
PUBLIC
AND SO THERE IT IS?
>> NO, IT IS STILL GOING TO
BE VERY USEFUL FOOTAGE FOR THE
INVESTIGATORS FROM THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AS
THEIR INVESTIGATIONS CONTINUE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE
SPECIFICS OF THE INVESTIGATION,
BUT
ANYTIME FOOTAGE LIKE
THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE OF ANY
INCIDENT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
IT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO
THE PUBLIC OR NOT, IT IS STILL
AN
INVALUABLE TOOL IN
FORWARDING INVESTIGATIVE
EFFORTS, WHETHER OR EXONERATING
PARTIES INVOLVED OR IDENTIFIED.
IN THE CASE OF WHETHER WE
WERE ABLE TO PULL THAT FOOTAGE
IN,
WE WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO
THE FOOTAGE MUCH FASTER,
POSSIBLY
WITHIN REAL- TIME OR MOMENTS
OF IT OCCURRING.
AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE
TO GUIDE RESPONSE EFFORTS IN A
MORE INVESTIGATIVE APPROACH
RIGHT FROM THE GET- GO, RATHER
THAN SIMPLY RESPONDING INITIALLY
TO --
AND, AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO
THE SPECIFICS,
BUT OFTENTIMES FOR FIRES, WE'RE
RESPONDING
FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL AT FIRST
UNTIL IT IS DETERMINED THAT IT
IS
IN FACT SUSPICIOUS IN NATURE.
WHERE AS IN THIS CASE, IF WE HAD
THE FOOTAGE, WE MAY HAVE,
THIS IS VERY SPECULATIVE, WE MAY
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO BACK,
DETERMINE IT WAS IN FACT
SUSPICIOUS
IN NATURE AND BEGIN
INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS MUCH MORE
QUICKLY THAN
WE
DID.
>> OKAY.
SO BASICALLY IT IS
THE CONNECTION WITH THE RTCC
THAT
IS MAKING THE DIFFERENCE
HERE BECAUSE THAT -- THE VIDEO
IS ALREADY AVAILABLE AND
USABLE, BUT DOESN'T HELP FOR
THE RAPID
RESPONSE.
OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
HOW ARE THE SDOT
CAMERAS DIFFERENT
TECHNOLOGICALLY
FROM THE CCTV CAMERAS?
>> BY FUNCTION, THEY'RE
NOT.
>>
OKAY.
>> THEY FUNCTION
IDENTICALLY, OUR CAMERAS ARE A
LITTLE BIT
BETTER, THEY'RE NEWER.
WE SPENT -- WE SPENT GOOD
TIME IDENTIFYING THE
APPROPRIATE CAMERAS TO PUT UP
FOR THE NEEDS
WE HAVE.
BUT WE HAVE
NEEDS THAT SDOT CAMERAS S DON'T
NECESSARILY HAVE.
SDOT IS LOOKING AT THE FLOW OF
VEHICLES, THEY DON'T NEED
AS HIGH QUALITY.
FUNCTIONALLY THEY'RE IDENTICAL.
CAPABILITY- WISE, OURS ARE MUCH
BETTER.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND THEN LASTLY, ALSO KIND OF A
COMMENT, I WENT ON A -- I WENT
TO A CONFERENCE IN D.C. THAT
WAS PUT ON BY THE NATIONAL
LEAGUE
OF CITIES FOR PRESIDENTS
OF COUNCILS OF LARGE CITIES AND
WE
VISITED D.C. 'S EQUIVALENT OF
THE
REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER.
AND, OF COURSE, THAT'S THE
NATION'S CAPITAL AND
SO THEREFORE THERE IS A LOT
MORE SURVEILLANCE AND A LOT
MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
BUT THERE ARE 44,000
PRIVATE FEEDS GOING INTO THAT.
THOSE ARE PRIVATE
BUSINESSES, AND RESIDENTS, OR,
LIKE,
APARTMENT COMPLEX ON
BUSY STREETS LOOKING AT THE
SIDEWALKS. I GUESS -- AND THEN
DURING --
DURING THIS TOUR THERE WERE
A LOT OF OTHER CITIES THERE THAT
SAID, OH, YEAH, WE HAVE THIS
AND WE HAVE 18,000 OR WHATEVER.
AND THOSE WERE NOT THE CAPITAL
CITIES.
SO, MY POINT IS THAT THIS
SEEMS TO BE KIND OF STANDARD
PRACTICE IN LARGE CITIES THAT
ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, SOME OF WHOM DO NOT
HAVE AS LARGE A STAFFING
ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE
UP FOR
AS WE ARE IN SEATTLE, WHICH
DOES, I THINK, MAKE THE
NEED TO -- TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
SOME FORMS OF TECHNOLOGY TO
ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY EFFORTS.
BUT THIS IS -- I'M SURE YOU
HAVE
RESEARCHERS THAT ARE LOOKING AT
ALL THESE DIFFERENT KINDS
OF TECHNOLOGIES AND WHAT SHOULD
BE
THE NEXT THING THAT
THE DEPARTMENT CONSIDERS.
WOULD YOU CONFIRM THAT THIS
IS NOT -- THAT THIS MODEL OF
USING
DIFFERENT SOURCES OF VIDEO
IN THESE REAL- TIME CRIME
CENTERS IS
FAIRLY COMMON PRACTICE?
I'M NOT ASKING A LEADING
QUESTION.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS
NOT JUST A REALLY NARROW
SAMPLE THAT I HAPPEN TO BE
EXPOSED TO.
>> CERTAINLY.
BOTH PROPONENTS AND CRITICS OF
POLICE USAGE OF TECHNOLOGY
HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE
PROLIFERATION OF REAL- TIME
CRIME
CENTERS ACROSS VARIOUS MAJOR
CITIES.
BOTH LARGE AND SMALL
THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
IT IS A COMMONLY USED TOOL
THROUGHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT
IN THE UNITED STATES TO
SUPPORT BOTH REAL- TIME AND
INVESTIGATIVE
EFFORTS FOR POLICE
RESPONSE. A LOT OF IT IS BUILT
ON
SPECIFICALLY÷÷ IN THE PRIVATE
CAMERA INGESTION MODEL, BUILT
ON THE CONCEPTS THAT WERE
FIRST PIONEERED MOST EFFECTIVELY
WITH
DETROIT'S PROJECT GREEN LIGHT
PROGRAM, WHICH FIRST
STARTED PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN
PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND THEIR
CAMERAS
AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
ABILITY
TO VIEW THEM, THE WHOLE
INDUSTRY HAS GROWN OUT OF THAT
CONCEPT
AND IT IS WHAT YOU SEE TODAY.
LONG ANSWER TO YOUR
SHORT QUESTION IS IT IS A
RATHER COMMON TOOL AMONG LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> VERY SMOOTH, CAPTAIN
BRITT. NEXT UP IS COUNCILMEMBER
HOLLINGSWORTH.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, ALL
FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU, MR.
CHAIR, FIRST OF
ALL.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS
HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT
IS GOING
ON IN OUR CITY.
PARTICULARLY IN CAPITOL HILL.
AND WHAT'S FACING THE
CHALLENGES, THE CHALLENGES
THERE.
QUICK QUESTION, HAS -- I KNOW
I HEARD PEOPLE SAY PIKE PINE
CORE,
HAS IT BEEN IDENTIFIED IN WHICH
WHERE THIS PROPOSAL
IS? I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THAT,
WHERE THE ACTUAL CROSS STREETS
ARE FOR
THE CAMERAS.
>> I'LL GO AHEAD AN PULL UP
THE MAP AGAIN.
>> I'M
SORRY.
>> NO, IT IS OKAY.
WE FLASHED PAST IT QUICKLY IN
THE PRESENTATION.
INITIAL DEPLOYMENT ON THE
RIGHT SIDE OF THIS MAP SHOWS THE
ROUGH
DEPLOYMENT, ROUGHLY 12th TO
BROADWAY, UNION TO PINE,
AND THEN COVERING NEAGLE
AND BROADWAY AS WELL UP TO
ROUGHLY DENNEY AND JOHN.
>> THANK YOU.
SORRY.
THAT WENT -- I MISSED THAT.
>> THAT'S QUITE ALL
RIGHT.
>> I APOLOGIZE.
I'M GETTING CAUGHT UP TO
SPEED WITH EVERYTHING.
I ALSO RECOGNIZE TO THE
PUBLIC, PUBLIC SAFETY MEANS
DIFFERENT THINGS FOR DIFFERENT
NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND YOU LOOK AT MADISON
STREET, IT IS ARTERIAL, CUTS
THROUGH MADISON PARK, CAPITOL
HILL, FIRST HILL, UP AND OVER
THE HILL
AND DOWN INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS
SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND
TAILORED RESPONSE WHEN IT COMES
TO
SAFETY. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT I
KNOW I'VE INVESTED A TON OF
TIME INTO CAPITOL HILL,
OFTENTIMES
AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER
NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE THEY
DON'T GET AS MUCH
ATTENTIONATTENTION
CAPITOL HILL REQUIRES SO MUCH
ENERGY OF ME FROM THE DIFFERENT
ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING
ON.
AND I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE
THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T FEEL
SAFE
TO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL,
TO TELL US THEY DON'T FEEL
SAFE BECAUSE OF THE BACKLASH
THAT THEY GET FROM ONLINE MEDIA,
FROM REPORTERS, FROM PEOPLE,
BECAUSE
THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE TO DO THAT
BECAUSE THEY'LL BE A TARGET
SO THEY TELL ME PRIVATELY OR
WHEN I'M WALKING DOWN THE
STREET
OR WHEN I'M TALKING TO THEM, OR
I'M GOING DOOR TO DOOR TO
BUSINESSES, THEY LITERALLY
LOOK ME IN THE FACE AND TELL ME
ABOUT
A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT THEY
WITH.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO COME
DOWN TO SAY, HEY, WE JUST DON'T
FEEL
SAFE, OR THE RESTAURANT
OWNER THAT I'VE HEARD FROM SO
MANY TIMES ABOUT NEAGLE PLACE
AND
ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT, YOU
KNOW, THEY'RE SCARED TO COME
DOWN
TO SAY THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT
THEY FEEL THE BACKLASH IS GOING
TO
BE AT THEIR BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S A CONCERN AS
WELL BECAUSE I KNOW WE HEAR
FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU
KNOW, THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
THIS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE
THERE IS
TWO SIDES OF THE
CONVERSATION AND I RESPECT THAT
AND I WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE OUTREACH TO
THEM BECAUSE I THINK IT IS
OUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR US TO
LISTEN
TO THEM AND UNDERSTAND,
HEY, THESE ARE WHAT THE CONCERNS
ARE, BUT I HEARD OVERWHELMINGLY
SO MANY PEOPLE FROM THE PEOPLE
AT
PRIDE PLACE, TO THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE DIRECTLY OVER LIVE IN
ALL THESE BUILDINGS TO THE
SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE OFTEN
ATTACK THAT PAY TAXES SO WE CAN
FUND
HUMAN SERVICES AND GO INTO THE
PROGRAMS THAT -- SORB RY, I'M
ON MY SOAP BOX, I APOLOGIZE,
I HAVE TO BE BECAUSE OF THE
RISING
AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THAT HAS
BEEN AT CAL ANDERSON AND
THAT HAS BEEN ON NEAGLE PLACE
AND
PIKE PINE THAT I HAVE BEEN
DEALING WITH FOR 18 MONTHS AND
FOR
A LONG TIME IS
ALARMING. IT IS ALARMING.
THE DRUGS -- I JUST RODE
PAST THERE YESTERDAY.
AND THERE WERE PEOPLE, GANG
ACTIVITY, PEOPLE SHOWING
THEIR GUNS ON NEAGLE PLACE, AND
I DID
NOT FEEL SAFE.
IT WAS -- IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
SORRY.
BECAUSE IT WAS -- IT WAS
PEOPLE WERE SCARED AND I
CONSTANTLY
GET THIS OUTREACH FROM FOLKS.
AND SO I'M FRUSTRATED BECAUSE
I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO MOVE MOVE
FORWARD.
I KNOW WE WANT THIS.
I HEARD FROM FAMILIES WHO
TAKE THEIR KIDS TO CAL ANDERSON
PARK AND I JUSTJUST US TO COME
TO
A PLACE IN SEATTLE WHERE WE
UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T
THINK IT IS OKAY FOR KIDS TO BE
AROUND THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
I JUST DON'T.
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
SO, ANYWHO, I DON'T HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS RIGHT
NOW.
I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY
FRUSTRATION IN THE CURRENT STATE
HILL.
I KNOW WE'LL HEAR FROM PEOPLE.
I KNOW I'LL GET EMAILS.
I KNOW I'LL HEAR FROM PEOPLE
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE
HEARD SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS
TECHNOLOGY AS WE HEARD FROM THE
CALLER SAY WE HEARD FROM THE
PERSON TODAY TALK
ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE HAVE
THE RIGHT STEPS TO ENSURE THAT
THIS TECHNOLOGY IS NOT VIOLATING
PEOPLE'S RIGHTS, THAT THERE
IS NOT A POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT
OVERSTEP THAT WE DON'T HAVE
INCREASED SURVEILLANCE,
THESE ARE -- THOSE ARE
SERIOUS CONCERNS TOO.
AND SO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
DEALING DRUGS IN OUR COMMUNITY
AND FUELING THIS SURGE OF
UNSAFETINESS IN OUR CITY.
SO I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT,
THERE ARE TWO SIDES, WE WANT TO
MAKE
SURE WE HAVE A COMMON BALANCE
SO I'LL BE LOOKING FOR INTO
THIS.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS.
ON ANOTHER STEP, I HEARD
FROM PEOPLE AT GARFIELD THAT
WANT THESE CAMERAS, BECAUSE OF
THE
GUN VIOLENCE THAT IS CONSTANTLY
IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICT,
ALONG 23rd, ALL THE TIME.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE
SCHOOL, THE PRINCIPAL, THE
FAMILIES, ALL THESE FOLKS HAVE
ASKED FOR THIS TECHNOLOGY TO
MAKE SURE THAT OUR KIDS ARE
SAFE, ALONG THE 23rd AVENUE
CORE CONSTANTLY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS.
I'LL DO MY DUE DILIGENCE AS THE
COUNCILMEMBER TO MAKE
SURE PEOPLE ARE -- THEY FEEL
HEARD AND WE CAN BRING WHATEVER
AMENDMENTS TO MAKE SURE WE
CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN
HAVE SAFETY BUT I JUST
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL
LETTING ME BE
ON MY SOAP BOX, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
HOLLINGSWORTH. TO YOUR POINT
ABOUT DIGGING
FURTHER, I SHOULD NOTE THAT WE
HAVE OUR OWN CENTRAL STAFF, MR.
DOSS HERE.
AND HE WASN'T PART OF THE
PRESENTATION.
WE'LL BE TAKING THIS UP AGAIN
IN
ANOTHER MEETING AND I'M SURE
WE CAN WORK WITH MR. DOSS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
ADD ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, I WANTED
TO GIVE YOU A SHOUTOUT AND, TWO,
A WARNING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
BE
THE MAIN PRESENTER AT THE NEXT
MEETING.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
I WANT TO THANK THE
EXECUTIVE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT
FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THE
PROCESS LEADING UP TO THE
INTRODUCTION OF THIS
LEGISLATION.
COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO
POINT OUT REALLY SOME SMALL
TECHNICAL
THINGS, BUT ONE THING THERE
WAS A SPEAKER EARLIER THAT
NOTED THAT THERE ARE SOME --
NOTED
SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE NATURE
OF THE PILOT AND WHETHER IT WAS
STILL A PILOT, WHEN THERE
WERE INITIAL REVIEW DONE OF THE
S.I.R. DOCUMENTS, THERE IS
SOME TECHNICAL LANGUAGE THERE
THAT COULD LEAD SOMEONE TO
THE CONCLUSION THAT MAYBE IT
ISN'T
A PILOT ANYMORE, HAD
SOME ÷÷DISCUSSIONS WITH THE
EXECUTIVE AND THEY ADDED TO THE
S.I.R.
SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT SAID
THAT THE CCTV AND RTCC PROGRAMS
ARE DESIGNED TO BE A
PILOT PROJECT WITH
INDEPENDENT RESEARCHERS
CONDUCTING AN
OUTCOME EVALUATION TO
BE COMPLETED
TWO YEARS AFTER IMPLEMENTATION
DEPENDING ON THE
OUTCOME OF THE EVALUATION, THE
PILOT PROJECT MAY BE
EITHER DISCONTINUED OR
CONTINUED.
THAT'S IMPORTANT LANGUAGE
THAT GOT ADDED.
IT IS NOT LANGUAGE THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IF YOU GO
TO
THE CITY OF SEATTLE SURVEILLANCE
WEBSITE.
IT IS LANGUAGE THAT YOU'LL FIND
WHEN THIS BILL IS INTRODUCED
AND THE S.I.R. s ARE ATTACHED OR
THERE ARE SOME LINKS IN THE
STAFF REPORT WHICH IS BEING
UPLOADED RIGHT NOW THAT
WILL ALLOW YOU TO GO INTO THE
S.I.R.
s AND SEE THAT LANGUAGE.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND THEN JUST ONE
MINOR TECHNICAL PIECE IS THAT
THE --
THE 200,000 FOR THE STADIUM
DISTRICT CAMERAS IS GOING TO
COME A LITTLE BIT LATE, THE
APPROPRIATION, THE
APPROPRIATION IS GOING TO BE
PROBABLY IN THE
MIDYEAR SUPPLEMENTAL AND
THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE
THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE
EXECUTIVE, THE THOUGHT WAS GET
YOUR
APPROVAL FIRST FOR THESE
CAMERAS AND THEN ASK FOR THE
MONEY.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAD.
>> THANK YOU.
AND, AGAIN, WE'LL HEAR FROM MR.
DOSS AGAIN IN THE FOLLOW ON
MEETING.
WE WILL NOW JUMP OVER TO
COUNCILMEMBER RINCK.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
AND THANK YOU, AGAIN,
FOR ALLOWING MY PARTICIPATION IN
TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU TO OUR PRESENTERS FOR
BRINGING FORWARD THIS
INFORMATION.
AND AS
COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH
NOTED, SOME OF
THE CONCERNS WE HAVE BEEN
HEARING AROUND CIVIL LIBERTIES
JUST
TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT,
MY QUESTIONS FOR TODAY ARE
RELATED
TO THAT EXACT TOPIC! ,! JUST TO
DIG IN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AS WE HEARD DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT AND I KNOW MY
OFFICE HAS
CERTAINLY HEARD FROM
CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE
DEEP CONCERNS OF CIVIL LIBERTY
AND THE INFRINGEMENT ON THEM,
ADDITIONALLY OUR OFFICE HAS --
THROUGH READING THE
SURVEILLANCE IMPACT REPORTS
WOULD ALSO
LIKE TO NOTE THAT A MAJORITY OF
THE
282 PAGES OF PUBLIC COMMENTS IN
APPENDIX B OF THE CCTV AND RTCC
DEMONSTRATE THE
EXISTING COMMUNITY PERCEPTION OF
THESE TECHNOLOGIES LEADING TO
MISTRUST, OVERSURVEILLANCE
OF COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND
POTENTIAL MISUSE OF THE
DATA THAT IS BEING COLLECTED.
AND IN THIS TIME WHERE
THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION HAS
EXPONENTIALLY INCREASED I.C.E.
ENFORCEMENT, AND NOTING
KOW'S RECENT REPORT, COULD YOU
PLEASE
PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON
HOW THIS INFORMATION
COLLECTED THROUGH SURVEILLANCE
TECHNOLOGY COULD BE OBTAINED BY
THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT?
BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN MY
WORKING UNDERSTANDING THAT SPD
-- THAT
THE DATA AND SPD'S RTCC THROUGH
ITS CONTRACT WITH AXON IS
NOT FULLY PROTECTED UNDER
KEEP WASHINGTON WORKING OR THE
SHIELD
LAW.
AXON ISN'T A WASHINGTON
COMPANY, ITS DATA CENTERS
AREN'T IN
WASHINGTON, THEY'RE LOCATED
OUTSIDE OF CHICAGO IS MY
UNDERSTANDING.
AND SO UNDERSTANDING THATTHAT
NEGOTIATED SPECIFIC
PROVISIONS IN THE CONTRACT, MY
CONCERN
IS HOW WILL THE CONTRACT HOLD UP
AGAINST ANOTHER STATE'S LAW.
SO, AGAIN, COULD YOU
PLEASE PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON
HOW THIS INFORMATION COLLECTED
THROUGH NEW
SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY COULD BE
OBTAINED
BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION,
COUNCILMEMBER.
WE'RE ALWAYS INTERESTED IN
CLARIFYING THIS AND MAKING
SURE WE'RE AS TRANSPARENT AS
POSSIBLE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL
RISK BECAUSE
WE TAKE THESE CONCERNS VERY
SERIOUSLY. AND WE HAVE DONE OUR
BEST
THROUGH CONTRACTING AND
AGREEMENTS WITH AXON, IN THIS
CASE, THE ONLY VENDOR IN THE
DATA AND TO ENSURE IT DOES NOT
GET
OUTSIDE OF OUR HANDS BECAUSE
AS YOU POINTED OUT, THERE IS
BOTH STATE AND LOCAL AND
SPD POLICIES THAT GOVERN RELEASE
OF DATA
TO PROTECT AGAINST VARIETY OF
MARGINALIZED
COMMUNITIES, SPECIFICALLY
IMMIGRANT AND GV
COMMUNITY, PEOPLE SEEKING
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE AND
THOSE EXERCISING THEIR
REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS.
WE MODIFIED THE CONTRACT WITH
AXON, NOT AT -- FOR THE RTCC
OR FOR THE CAMERAS, BUT IN
THE MASTER LEVEL AGREEMENT.
THIS WOULD COVER BODY
CAMERAS, ANY INFORMATION THAT WE
HAVE
WITH -- THAT IS STORED BY
AXON AND THE WAY THE CONTRACT
READS
IS AXON, AND THIS IS
UNDER FEDERAL LAW, THEY'RE THE
HOLDER OF OUR DATA, THEY'RE NOT
THE OWNER OF OUR DATA.
SO UNDER
FEDERAL LAW, ANY REQUEST
DEFAULTS TO US.
AXON HAS SENT US BRIEFING
IN WHICH THEY HAVE DEFENDED A
LOCAL
DEPARTMENT'S RIGHT TO
CLAIM OWNERSHIP OVER THE DATA
AND ASSERT -- EXERT
CONTROL OVER THAT DATA.
SO WE KNOW FROM PAST HISTORY AND
OUR CONTRACT THAT AXON WILL
GO TO COURT TO DEFEND OUR RIGHT
TO CONTROL OUR DATA.
WE KNOW THAT IT IS -- IN
LEGAL MECHANISMS PREVIOUSLY WE
TALKED
A LOT ABOUT GAG ORDERS OR SILENT
WARRANTS.
LOOKING INTO THOSE, THERE
IS ALWAYS A THEORETICAL
POSSIBILITY
THAT A COURT COULD ISSUE THIS,
HOWEVER, TYPICALLY THE
PERSON THAT IS SUBJECT TO A GAG
ORDER, THE GOAL IS TO PROTECT
AGAINST
THE SUBJECT OF THE
INVESTIGATION BECOMING AWARE OF
THE ONGOING
INVESTIGATION. AND THAT WOULD BE
AT THE COURT
LEVEL.
I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY
INCIDENTS IN WHICH A COURT HAS
PREVENTED
A DEPARTMENT FROM KNOWING
THAT THERE IS A REQUEST FOR ITS
DATA.
DOES NOT MEAN IT CAN'T HAPPEN,
IT MEANS THAT IT IS
UNPRECEDENTED.
I REALIZE THESE ARE
UNPRECEDENTED TIMES.
BUT IN THE AGREEMENT WITH
AXON, IF THAT NARROW POSSIBILITY
OCCURS, THEY HAVE AGREED THAT
THEY WILL ALERT US WHEN THEY
ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE GAG ORDER
AND SHOULD THAT HAPPEN, THEN
WE WOULD AS A CITY COME TOGETHER
AND REVISIT THE EFFICACY OF THIS
PROGRAM.
THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR
PROBLEM FOR ALL OF US, AND WE
WOULD
HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
IF THAT HAPPENED, HOWEVER,
AGAIN, THAT'S A VERY
NARROW THEORETICAL AND
UNPRECEDENTED
PATHWAY.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE
NO AGREEMENTS WITH ANY DATA
AGGREGATORS. A LOT OF THE
ARTICLES
INCLUDING THE ONE THAT WAS
REFERENCED EARLIER OUT OF TEXAS
AND A FLOCK
TECHNOLOGIES WHICH IS NOT
A TECHNOLOGY WE USE,
THAT COMES FROM AGGREGATION OR
DEPARTMENTS VOLUNTARILY SHARE
THEIR
DATA INTO A COMMON PLATFORM AT
THE
NATIONAL LEVEL OR WE DO NOT DO
THAT.
SO, OUR DATA IS NOT GOING
OUT, IT IS NOT BEING SHARED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER
REQUESTS FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT,
WE LOCKED DOWN ALL OF OUR
PROCESSES, WHETHER IT IS CRIME
RECORDS, PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE, LEGAL REQUESTS, TO
ENSURE
THAT WE HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER
ANY REQUESTS COMING FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND WE ARE
EXAMINING THOSE REQUESTS ON A
CASE BY
CASE BASIS.
THERE ARE LEGITIMATE
REASONS THAT EVENT- BASED DATA,
IN OTHER
WORDS, INCIDENT, HERE'S THE
SUBJECT, THAT MIGHT BE
OF LEGITIMATE CONCERN FOR
FEDERAL
ENFORCEMENT, WE WOULD SHARE THAT
ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BIT WE
ARE NOT SHARING DATA SETS, WE'RE
NOT SHARING AGGREGATE
INFORMATION WITH ANY LAW
ENFORCEMENT PARTNER AT ALL.
SO, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE
NARROWED EVERY POSSIBILITY
IN EVERY WAY WE CAN TO
MAINTAIN CONTROL OVER OUR DATA
AND WE
ARE FULLY ALIGNED WITH, YOU
KNOW, THE VALUES I TALKED
ABOUT EARLIER WITH, YOU
KNOW, IMMIGRANT AND GV RIGHTS
AND
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND
GENDER AFFIRMING CARE AND WE'RE
GOING
TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN
TO ENSURE THAT WE DO NOT IN ANY
WAY VIOLATE PEOPLE'S PRIVACY.
THE LAST PIECE I'LL
JUST THROW IN THERE IS THAT ALL
OF
OUR CAMERA FEEDS ARE IN PUBLIC
AREAS
FACING PUBLIC OPEN AREAS,
WE WILL NOT TAKE -- AND THIS IS
THE CURRENT STATE AND INTO THE
FUTURE, WE DO NOT ACCEPT CAMERA
FEEDS FROM ANY
CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED AREA.
WE ALSO PUT UP PRIVACY MASKS.
IF THERE ARE -- IF THERE IS
AN APARTMENT BUILDING, AND WE
WANT TO SEE THE STREET LEVEL, WE
MASK
THE REST OF THE BUILDING
BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A
LEGITIMATE INTEREST IN LOOKING
AT THAT.
THAT'S ALL DIGITALLY MASKED OUT
ON A MANENT BASIS.
HOPEFULLY THAT RESPONDS TO YOUR
QUESTION.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE SHARE THE
SAME VALUES.
>> THANK YOU FOR LAYING
THAT OUT, MR. MAXEY.
IF I MAY AS A FOLLOW- UP TO THIS
POINT, IF IT IS LATER
DISCOVERED SUCH AS VIA WHISTLE-
BLOWER THAT
I.C.E. OR RED STATES ARE
USING DATA USED WITHIN AXON,
WHAT STEPS WILL SPD TAKE TO
PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS?
>> IF WE FOUND OUT THAT
THERE HAD BEEN SOME UNWARRANTED
OR
UNACCEPTABLE INTRUSION INTO OUR
DATA, WE WOULD ESCALATE IT
TO THE EXECUTIVE AND
CERTAINLY WOULD LEAD WITH
RECOMMENDING EITHER REMEDYING
WHATEVER LED
TO THAT BREACH, OR SHUTTING
DOWN THE PROGRAM IF WE FIND OUT
WE ACTUALLY CANNOT CONTROL IT.
THAT WOULD BE THE
RECOMMENDATION AND THE CITY
ITSELF WOULD
HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH HOW TO
RESPOND.
>> UNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU.
AND WE HAVE TALKED A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT -- I KNOW THE CHAIR
HAS SPOKEN TO THIS MATTER OF
HOW SEATTLE HAS DEPLOYED
THIS TECHNOLOGY A BIT
DIFFERENTLY.
COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT
A LITTLE BIT WHEN COMPARED TO
OTHER JURISDICTIONS?
I KNOW JURISDICTIONS SUCH AS
AUSTIN HAVE MOVED AWAY
FROM THEIR ALPR CCTV AND RTCC
SYSTEMS.
SO, WOULD APPRECIATE SOME
CLARIFICATION ON HOW WE
HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND WHY
THEY STEPPED AWAY FROM THOSE
PROGRAMS AND WHY WE'RE
CONTINUING TO
PUSH ON WITH THEM.
>> I'M UNAWARE THAT
AUSTIN STEPPED AWAY.
I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.
WE EVALUATE AND TALKED WITH
OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT COUNTERPARTS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND
THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS I
SPEAK WITH TALK ABOUT NOT
ROLLING
BACK, BUT EXPANDING THEIR
CAPABILITIES.
WE ALSO TALK WITH THOSE
AGENCIES THAT USE SOME OF THE
MORE
CONTROVERSIAL TECHNOLOGIES
OR SOME OF THE MORE CONCERNING
I SHOULD SAY TECHNOLOGIES TO
LEARN
LESSONS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO
FOLLOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOT ENROLLING IN
AGGREGATED DATA SETS, FOR
EXAMPLE.
BEING WARY OF AGENCIES
OR VENDORS THAT COME TO US
WITH THOSE OFFERS.
WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE
OVERARCHING CONCERNS HERE IN
SEATTLE.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
I WASN'T AWARE THAT AUSTIN WAS
ROLLING BACK.
I'M HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO
THEM AND GET MORE INSIGHT FROM
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE
TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS
AN OPERATIONAL DECISION OR
A POLITICAL ONE.
>> CERTAINLY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING -- IT
IS RECENT NEWS, SO, IT WAS AS
OF MAY JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
WOULD BE CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND
WHY THEY MADE THAT POLITICAL
DECISION, JUST WITH LIKE TO
CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION.
AND LOOKING TOWARD JUST SOME
OF THE DATA, I SUPPOSE I'M
CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND AT THIS
POINT
WHY WE'RE PURSUING EXPANDING
AND
MAKING PERMANENT RTCC AND CCTV
S.I.R. s WITHOUT HAVING OUR
FIRST PUBLIC REPORT DONE BY
ACADEMIC
CONSULTANTS.
>> PERHAPS I COULD ADDRESS
THAT, COUNCILMEMBER.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LAUNCHED THIS
PROGRAM, WE RETAINED
RESEARCHERS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
PENNSYLVANIA.
THE CO- PRINCIPLE
INVESTIGATORS ARE LISA BARAO AND
ANTHONY
BRAGA.
BOTH HIGHLY
REGARDED CRIMINOLOGISTS IN OUR
COUNTRY.
AND WE ASKED THEM TO DO A
TWO- YEAR EVALUATION.
WE'LL HAVE A REPORT AT THE
END OF YEAR ONE.
SO THAT SHOULD BE IN THE
MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR.
AND WE WILL HAVE A FINAL
REPORT AT THE END OF YEAR TWO.
ALL OF THE
TECHNOLOGIES INCLUDING THESE NEW
CAMERAS WILL
BE INCLUDED IN THAT EVALUATION.
SO, THE PROGRAM IS HOW DO
WE ANSWER THE THREE PROBLEMS
THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, THAT WE
HAVE
IN THE CITY.
AND WILL THIS EVALUATION GIVE
US GOOD INSIGHTS INTO WHETHER IT
IS
WORKING OR NOT
WORKING? WE'LL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS
BASED ON
THAT.
THERE IS CERTAINLY NO -- IF
THE COUNCIL APPROVES THESE THREE
NEW
AREAS, ALL THE CAMERAS AND
THAT TECHNOLOGY WILL BE INCLUDED
IN THE EVALUATION.
>> UNDERSTOOD.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN,
WHEN ARE WE RECEIVING THAT FIRST
REPORT?
>> THE FIRST REPORT WILL COME
AT THE END OF YEAR ONE.
SO IT WILL BE THE MIDDLE OF
NEXT YEAR.
WE STARTED ON MAY 20, SO
WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GET PAST MAY
20 OF NEXT YEAR, AND WITHIN A
MONTH OR TWO HOPEFULLY GET THEIR
FIRST YEAR REPORT AND THEN THE
SECOND YEAR REPORT MID-2027.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT
POINT.
AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS
JUST RELATED TO BUDGET.
UNDERSTANDING WE ALL KNOW WE'RE
IN A BUDGET DEFICIT.
IF I'M READING THE SLIDES
CORRECTLY, UNDERSTANDING
THERE IS MONEY THAT HAS BEEN
ALLOCATED FOR A NUMBER OF THESE
PROGRAMS, BUT NOT FOR THE
CAPITOL HILL
LOCATION, IF I'M READING
THE SLIDES CORRECTLY, IT LOOKS
LIKE WE'RE SEEKING A $435 AD,
$500,000 FOR INITIAL
DEPLOYMENT AND 35,000 ONGOING.
AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY?
>> YES.
>> THANK YOU.
I SUPPOSE I'M STILL MINDFUL
OF DEFICIT AND CONSIDERING THIS
IS A PILOT PROGRAM, I
SUPPOSE, AGAIN, WHY AT THIS TIME
ARE WE
CONSIDERING EXPANSION
WITHOUT HAVING SUFFICIENT DATA.
RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAD CCTV
CAMERAS LIVE AS OF MAY 20th OF
THIS YEAR, THAT'S TWO MONTHS
WORTH OF INFORMATION.
>> BECAUSE WE ARE RESPONSIBLE
FOR MAINTAINING THE PIECE OF
OUR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND
PARKS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE REAL
CHALLENGES IN THE THREE AREAS
THAT I DISCUSSED.
GUN VIOLENCE, HUMAN
TRAFFICKING, AND PERSISTENT
FELONY CRIME,
CONCENTRATED PLACES.
WE WANT EVERY TOOL WE CAN
POSSIBLY USE TO HELP COMBAT
THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AWAY
AT GUN VIOLENCE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO IGNORE HUMAN
TRAFFICKING. AND WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE REASONABLE STEPS TO MAKE
SURE
THAT OUR POLICE
OFFICERS HAVE THE TOOLS THAT
THEY NEED TO
SUPPRESS THAT KIND OF SERIOUS,
DANGEROUS, VIOLENT CRIME IN OUR
CITY.
>> AND MY LAST QUESTION, CHAIR,
IF I MAY, JUST LOOKING TOWARD
COMMUNITY
ORIENTATION, UNDERSTANDING WE
HEARD A LOT OF
COMMUNITY CONCERN TODAY,
MY OFFICE CONTINUES TO HEAR IT
I SUPPOSE WONDERING HOW
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
ENGAGE
WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT I
THINK HAS SOME STILL RIGHTFUL
CONCERNS
ABOUT THIS KIND OF
TECHNOLOGY, HOW IT COULD BE
USED, SPECIFICALLY IN DEPLOYMENT
OF THESE AREAS OF OUR CITY.
HOW ARE YOU ALL APPROACHING
ENGAGEMENT?
>> WE HAD COMMUNITY
FORUMS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE
CAPITOL
HILL NIGHT LIFE DISTRICT AREA.
WE HAVE WALKED THE STREETS.
WE HAVE GONE BUSINESS TO
BUSINESS AND TALKED TO PEOPLE.
WE ACCEPT COMMENTS FROM
EVERYBODY, THOSE WHO FAVOR
AND THOSE WHO DO NOT FAVOR THIS
TECHNOLOGY.
I DO FIND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH
THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED THAT
THEY OFTEN DON'T FULLY
UNDERSTAND
WHAT THE PROGRAM INVOLVES,
WHAT THE SAFEGUARDS ARE THAT
HAVE
BEEN BUILT IN, BUT, YEAH, WE
DO THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND
WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE PASS OUT FLYERS TO
NOTIFY PEOPLE THAT THE CAMERAS
ARE
PRESENT.
WE POST SIGNS THAT TALK
ABOUT THE VIDEO RECORDING IS
IN PROGRESS BY THE
POLICE. THE SIGN IS VERY CLEAR
AS TO
WHO IS DOING THAT.
SO THERE AREN'T ANY
SURPRISES, THAT'S FOR CERTAIN.
>> THANK YOU
FOR THAT, DEPUTY MAYOR BURGESS.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING
HERE.
>> OF COURSE.
I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT
THE ADVISORY COUNCILS, ABOUT OUR
CPC, WHOSE JOB IT IS TO ENGAGE
THE COMMUNITY.
AND AS MEMBERSHIP ON THE
COMMISSION IS BROAD, COVERING
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
COMMUNITIES, SOME OF WHICH MAY
BE --
HAVE CONCERNS AND THAT'S
ANOTHER
WAY THAT WE CAN BE ENGAGING WITH
THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
THINGS I SAID AT THE
BEGINNING, I TALKED ABOUT VAELT
SEATTLE VALUES,
SEATTLE WAY, THAT IS THE
CITY, BUT THERE IS ALSO THE
STATE OF
WASHINGTON VALUES, STATE OF
WASHINGTON WAY, AND AS I HEAR
ABOUT AUSTIN, THEY'RE IN TEXAS.
AND THE STATE OF TEXAS IS
VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE STATE OF
WASHINGTON.
THEIR ATTORNEY GENERAL
IS ESSENTIALLY 180 OUT FROM
OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL.
AND FOR THE RECORD, I
WOULD CHOOSE OUR ATTORNEY
GENERAL WHO
HAS BEEN DOING FANTASTIC WORK.
AS IT RELATES TO
THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
SO THERE IS A LOT
OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THIS,
BUT I
DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE BEEN,
YOU
KNOW, WITH GOOD DUE
DILIGENCE, BUTTING IN DIFFERENT
PIECES. AS USUAL, I WILL ENGAGE
WITH THE
ACCOUNTABILITY
PARTNERS. I DO THIS ON EVERY
PIECE OF
LEGISLATION.
IF THEY COME UP WITH A GOOD
IDEA, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY
TO HEAR IT AND POTENTIALLY USE
IT.
I'VE DONE THAT WITH OTHER
BILLS.
JUST A QUESTION.
COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
ONE IS THE SIZE OF THE EXPANDED
AREAS, I NOTE BASED ON ALL THE
OTHER WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE
IN THIS COMMITTEE, THE
GARFIELD AREA IS LARGER AND I
WAS
JUST CURIOUS IN TERMS OF, YOU
KNOW,
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GARFIELD
AREA, IS THAT DUE TO
THE YOU WEEK CIRCUMSTANCES OF
THE
SCHOOL, AND ALSO HAS THE --
HAS DIFFERENT -- YOU THINK OF
SCHOOL, THINK OF ONE
BUILDING, BUT IT HAS GOT MANY
DIFFERENT
PIECES. IN TERMS OF THE GARFIELD
AREA, IS THAT TO COVER THE
VARIOUS PIECES THAT WE HAVE SEEN
WITH
THE SCHOOL?
>> THERE WERE THREE
SPECIFIC INCIDENTS THAT CAUSED
US
TO CONSIDER THE GARFIELD NOVA
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THE
HOMICIDE THAT OCCURRED OUTSIDE
THE COMMUNITY CENTER THERE LAST
YEAR.
ALSO LAST YEAR, THE
PRESCHOOL FACILITY ON SOUTH
JACKSON
STREET HAD GUNFIRE COME THROUGH
THE
WINDOWS.
KIDS HAD TO DIVE
UNDERNEATH THEIR TABLES.
NOVA HIGH SCHOOL, WHILE
CLASS WAS IN SESSION, HAD A
DRIVE- BY
SHOOTING.
BULLETS FLYING INTO THE
CLASSROOMS.
AND THE FREQUENCY OF
THOSE EVENTS AND OTHERS AND THE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL
DISTRICT, WE IDENTIFIED
THAT AREA AS NEEDING THE
CAMERAS.
THE AREA IS ACTUALLY QUITE
RESTRICTED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP
CAREFULLY, YOU'LL SEE THAT
IT GOES APPROXIMATELY ONE BLOCK
TO
THE EAST OF THE GARFIELD CAMPUS.
ONE BLOCK TO THE WEST AND
INCLUDES NOVA ON THE NORTH
SIDE AND INCLUDES SOUTH JACKSON
ON THE SOUTH
SIDE.
>> THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.
YOU NOTED THE INCIDENTS WITH
OUR CHILDREN AND AS MY
COLLEAGUE WOULD ALWAYS SAY, WE
HAVE TO
LOOK OUT AND TAKE CARE OF
OUR BABIES AND I SEE THE NEED
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO
BE A
COORDINATION RELATED TO THAT.
SPEAKING OF COORDINATION
WITH DIFFERENT PIECES, WITH
THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CAMERAS,
JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHEN SPD USES
IT, BRINGS IT IN, IT FALLS UNDER
THE RULES TO INCLUDE RETENTION
AND ALL THE LIKE.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT
AGAIN IN TERMS OF -- AND MAYBE
MORE
GENERALLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW,
IN TERMS OF ANYTHING THAT YOU
GET
OUTSIDE OF SPD, YOU KNOW,
HOW THAT IS USED.
WHAT IS THE RULES RELATED TO
THAT USE.
>> IN THE CASE OF THE SDOT
CAMERAS, THEY WOULD
FUNCTION IDENTICAL TO OUR
CAMERAS.
WE WOULD HOLD THE RECORDINGS
FOR FIVE DAYS, SAME WAY WE
DO WITH OUR DEPLOYED CAMERAS,
AND THEN
INFORMATION AND THE RETENTION
POLICY FOR THE CITY SAYS UP TO
30, WE'RE ONLY HOLDING IT FOR
FIVE NOW FOR A VARIETY OF
REASONS, NOT THE LEAST WHICH
OF IS JUST PHYSICAL STORAGE
CAPACITY.
BUT THAT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO
FULFILL OUR INVESTIGATIVE
OBLIGATIONS HOPEFULLY, BUT
THEN INFORMATION THAT IS
GATHERED FROM THOSE
CAMERAS THAT IS RELEVANT TO AN
INVESTIGATION
WOULD BE STORED IN OUR
DIGITAL EVIDENCE CONSISTENT WITH
OTHER DIGITAL EVIDENCE
ASSOCIATED
WITH INVESTIGATIONS.
THE SDOT CAMERAS WOULD
BEHAVE IDENTICAL TO HOW OUR
CAMERAS
WOULD WHEN IT COMES TO
RETENTION AND RECORDING.
>> THANK YOU.
AND REGARDING THE REAL-
TIME CRIME CENTER, I HEARD IT, I
WAS THERE FOR THE EVENT AT THE
REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER AT
100th AND AURORA.
THAT INCIDENT, YOU KNOW,
IN TERMS OF HOW REAL- TIME
CRIME CENTER ENGAGED, I
WAS CURIOUS TO -- WITH THE REAL-
TIME
CRIME CENTER ALSO LOOK TO ENGAGE
SDOT OR AND AS I LOOK AT SOME OF
THE
OTHER EXPANDED AREAS, WOULD
THE PARKS DEPARTMENT PARK
RANGERS,
CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY
KIND OF REACH OUT OR
CONSIDERATION OR
COORDINATION, ET CETERA, WITH
NONSPD IN TERMS OF THAT EXAMPLE,
FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, PARK RANGERS
OR, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY
SINCE WE HAVE CAL ANDERSON
BEING MENTIONED MANY TIMES
TODAY.
>> CERTAINLY.
WE'RE REACHING OUT TO ALL
CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT OPERATE
CAMERAS
TO DISCUSS THE ABILITY TO
PULL THEIR CAMERAS INTO THE
REAL-
TIME CRIME CENTER TO SUPPORT
OUR INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS.
PARKS DEPARTMENT IS ON THE LIST.
LIBRARIES, OTHER
GOVERNMENTAL PARTNERS TO INCLUDE
THE
PORT OF SEATTLE, THAT
OPERATES FACILITIES ALONG THE
WATERFRONT
AND OUR TRANSIT PARTNERS AT
KING COUNTY, WITH THE
SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SOUND
TRANSIT.
WE'RE DISCUSSING
BASICALLY ANYBODY WHO HAS A
CAMERA IN
THE SEATTLE AREA, WE'RE
VERY INTERESTED IN TALKING WITH
THEM ABOUT HOW WE CAN
RESPONSIBLY
AND APPROPRIATELY
PULL THAT FOOTAGE INTO SUPPORT
OUR INVESTIGATIVE
AND RESPONSE EFFORTS.
>> THANK YOU.
JUST TO CLOSE, I
REALLY APPRECIATE THIS BRIEFING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC
COMMENT AND THE LIKE.
AND JUST COUNCILMEMBER
RINCK ASKING THESE QUESTIONS
BECAUSE
AS MR. DOSS NOTED, I'VE
BEEN HEARING WITH THESE PIECES,
IT
IS A PILOT, NOT A PILOT, IT IS A
PILOT AND THE LIKE AND YOU
SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THAT AND WITH
THE AUTHORITY OF SOMEONE WHO HAS
DUG
IN AND IS ENGAGING.
SO I VALUE ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
I VALUE BECAUSE IT IS SERIOUS.
I UNDERSTAND THE LGBTQ
COMMUNITY HAS CONCERNS.
THEY SHOULD.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN GOING LEFT ON
THE FREEDOM OF BOTH THE CITY
HALL, WE HAVE THESE CONCERNS.
AND WE BUILT THEM IN TO
WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE AND
WE'LL
DO THE SAME WITH THIS
LEGISLATION TO PROTECT THE LGBTQ
COMMUNITY.
THAT'S SERIOUS.
AND WE NEED TO DO THAT.
AND FOR OTHER
COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY AS
NOTED IMMIGRANT
AND REFUGEE COMMUNITY
AND GIVEN TODAY'S CIRCUMSTANCES.
.
AND WE WILL DO THAT.
AND MY ASK IS RAISE THE
POINTS, RAISE THE POINTS, ASK
THE
QUESTIONS, AND THEN ALSO DO IT
IN THE SEATTLE CONTEXT.
BECAUSE MAKING AN
ARGUMENT AGAINST THE PROGRAM
USING
A -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER
PHRASING, RED STATE AMERICA
JURISDICTION THAT DOESN'T CARE,
THAT WILL
BE OPTING IN AS CAPTAIN BRITT
NOTED, THAT'S NOT REALLY
HELPFUL BECAUSE THEIR LAWS ARE
SO
DIFFERENT, THEIR
LEGISLATION, THEIR POLICIES ARE
SO DIFFERENT -- IT IS
NOT COMPARABLE REALLY.
AND SO WE NEED TO BE LOOKING
AT WHAT SEATTLE SPD'S POLICIES
ARE, WHAT THE LAW IN THE CITY
OF SEATTLE SAYS, WHAT THE LAW
IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON
SAYS, AND WE SHOULD BE ENGAGING
ON THIS AND THEN BEING MINDFUL
OF THE PIECES, THANK YOU FOR
ASKING
THE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE
TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE COVERED.
AND THIS IS THE POINT I
WAS MAKING IN MY CHAIR COMMENT
TODAY IS THAT WE NEED TO BE
DOING
THAT, AND WE NEED TO BE
LEVERAGING OUR ACCOUNTABILITY
SYSTEM.
BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER AREA
IN TERMS OF BUDGET THAT WE
SPEND MONEY ON OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY
SYSTEM.
LET'S USE THEM.
LET'S FLEX THAT
ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM MUSCLE.
LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS.
AND SPEAKING OF BUDGET, BY THE
WAY, THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
HOLLINGSWORTH, IF WE KEEP
LOSING BUSINESSES, THERE IS A
STARBUCKS THAT USED TO BE AT
SECOND AND
NORTH, NO LONGER.
THERE IS A SMALLER COFFEE SHOP
IN, BUT THERE WERE SOME GOOD
TAX DOLLARS COMING IN BUT IT IS
LOST BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD
HAS
BEEN SO HURT BY THE
PUBLIC SAFETY POSTURE THAT WE
HAVE IN
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND
THAT'S HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE
CITY
BECAUSE TRUST ME, I HEAR
IT EVERY DAY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR
DEFICIT WOULD BE THAT MUCH WORSE
IF BUSINESSES CLOSE BECAUSE
OF ALL THESE PUBLIC SAFETY
THREATS.
AND NOT JUST THREATS, ACTIONS,
AND SO I JUST WANT TO REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT AND FOR
THOSE WHO ARE JUST LISTENING AND
CAN
HEAR, AS GIVEN MY FORMER
CAREER, THAT'S WHY I SAID SOUND
OF
FREEDOM, BECAUSE WE HAVE
THE BLUE ANGELS GOING OVERHEAD
NOW, AND IT
IS A PERFECT WAY TO END
AT AT 11:11.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS
TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
BEFORE WE ADJOURN OTHER
THAN LISTENING TO THE BLUE
ANGELS?
HEARING SEEING
NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE,
WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.