>>> ROGER THAT. COPY THAT.
>> OKAY, GOOD MORNING. GOOD
MORNING HERE IN CHAMBERS, BUT
ALSO OFF SITE AND MOST LIKELY
INCLUDE SOMEWHERE IN PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION. GOOD MORNING,
THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE WILL
COME TO ORDER. IT'S 9:35 A.M.,
SEPTEMBER 9, 2025. I'M ROBERT
KETTLE, CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. WILL THE
COMMITTEE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL?
>> COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ?
>> HERE.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON?
COUNCILMEMBER SAKA?
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE?
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR, THERE ARE THREE
MEMBERS PRESENT.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH IS
EXCUSED, AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT
NELSON IS EXCUSED UNTIL SHE
JOINS US. IF THERE IS NO
OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE
ADOPTED. NORMALLY I LOOK LEFT OR
RIGHT, BUT I'LL LOOK ABOVE. I
SEE NO OBJECTION, SO THE AGENDA
IS ADOPTED. FOR CHAIR COMMENT
THIS MORNING. I WANTED TO SPEAK
TO OUR CONSENT DECREE DECISION
FROM LAST WEEK. IT IS A MAJOR
ACCOMPLISHMENT, A MAJOR
MILESTONE. BUT ALSO A MAJOR
STEPPINGSTONE. I SAY THAT
BECAUSE THE WORK CONTINUES. BUT
I DID WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE
MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE WORK
THEY DID IN ORDER TO DO THE
REFORMS, TO WORK WITH THE JUDGE,
TO WORK WITH THE FEDERAL
MONITOR, TO WORK WITH ALL THOSE
INVOLVED, TO INCLUDE THE CITY
COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY OVER THE
LAST 20 MONTHS. IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR THE WORK THEY'VE
DONE ON THIS FRONT. IT IS ALSO
IMPORTANT TO WORK WITH OUR
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS, ONE OF
WHICH IS REPRESENTED IN THE
CHAMBERS TODAY, THE COMMUNITY
POLICE COMMISSION. BUT THE OPA,
THE OFFICE POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND ESPECIALLY
THE OIG. I PUT ESPECIALLY
BECAUSE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL IS
BASICALLY ABSORBING THE
FUNCTIONS OF THE FEDERAL
MONITOR. SO ALL THESE ENTITIES,
I REALLY WANTED TO THANK FOR
THEIR WORK. IN ORDER TO RETURN
TO SEATTLE, THE COMPLETE
OVERSIGHT OF THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, SOMETHING THIS
COMMITTEE WILL DO IN COOPERATION
WITH THE EXECUTIVE, WITH THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE AND OTHERS TO
INCLUDE THE ACCOUNTABILITY
PARTNERS, SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO
STEP FORWARD. FOR THOSE WHO
DON'T REMEMBER, THE CONSENT
DECREE PROCESS ORIGINALLY REALLY
STARTED. COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ
CAN SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL.
REALLY STARTED WITH THE KILLING
OF JOHN T. WILLIAMS HERE IN
SEATTLE. THAT STARTED THE
PROCESS IN AUGUST OF 2010. JUST
TWO YEARS LATER IS WHEN THE
CONSENT DECREE PROCESS STARTED.
AND HERE WE ARE, BASICALLY 13
YEARS LATER, COMPLETING THE
PROCESS. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS
VERY IMPORTANT. COUNCIL MEMBER
JUAREZ AND I SAT WITH MR.
WILLIAMS' BROTHER, RICK
WILLIAMS, DURING THE COURSE OF
THE COURT PROCEEDING. I SPOKE TO
HIM, FOLLOWING UP ON THE
OUTREACH OF THE CPC TO MR.
WILLIAMS, OFFERED HIM A POSITION
WITH THE CITY COUNCIL SLOT OF
THE COMMUNITY POLICE COMMISSION.
I THINK IT'S REALLY SYMBOLIC. I
THINK IT'S REALLY WORTH NOTING
THAT ON THE DAY THAT THE CONSENT
DECREE FINISHED THAT STARTED
WITH THE KILLING OF MR. JOHN T.
WILLIAMS, THAT WE STARTED THAT
DAY, ENDED THAT DAY WITH THE
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HIS BROTHER,
MR. RICK WILLIAMS, WAS JOINING
THE COMMUNITY POLICE COMMISSION.
I THINK THAT IT SHOWS THE WORK
WE WILL DO WILL CONTINUE. WHICH
IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT TO ME. SOMETHING I'VE
BEEN WORKING ON FOR 20 MONTHS.
SO I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR MR.
RICK WILLIAMS FOR AGREEING TO
JOIN THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT
IS SO IMPORTANT. BUT ULTIMATELY
IT SYMBOLIZES OUR COMMITMENT AS
A CITY TO MOVE FORWARD. AGAIN,
WITH COOPERATION, COLLABORATION,
WITH THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. I THINK WE HAVE A
PARTNER WITH CHIEF BARNES NOW IN
PLACE TO CONTINUE THAT WORK WITH
ALL THOSE I'VE WORKED WITH OVER
THE YEARS ACROSS ALL FIVE
PRECINCTS. AND SO I JUST WANTED
TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT BECAUSE
IT'S A MAJOR MILESTONE. IT'S A
MAJOR STEPPINGSTONE WITH THE
ENDING OF THE CONSENT DECREE. AS
I MENTIONED WITH MR. WILLIAMS
JOINING, WILL SOON BE JOINING
US, YOU'LL SEE DURING THE
COURSE OF THE FALL, THE POLICE
COMMISSION. SO THAT SAID, THANK
YOU FOR THAT. WE WILL NOW OPEN
THE HYBRID PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD. PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD
RELATE TO ITEMS ON TODAY'S
AGENDA OR WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF
THE COMMITTEE. CLERK, HOW MANY
SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE TODAY?
>> MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU MIND IF
I SAID A FEW THINGS IN REGARDS
TO YOUR OPENING STATEMENT,
CHAIR, BEFORE WE BEGIN?
>> YES. CHAIR COMMENT EXTENDED
TO COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ. GO
AHEAD, PLEASE.
>> I JUST WANT TO PUT INTO
CONTEXT A FEW THINGS BECAUSE I
KNOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING IN
OBVIOUSLY FOR THE COMMUNITY
POLICE COMMISSION AND THOSE. THE
WHOLE IDEA OF THE CONSENT DECREE
DIDN'T REALLY BEGIN,
UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE DEATH OF
OUR BROTHER. ANNOTATIONAL
POLICING HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR
DECADES. THE USE OF FORCE,
RACIAL PROFILING, THE CULTURE OF
SPD, THE LACK OF REPORTING, NOT
HAVING AN OIG, SHIFTING POWER TO
THE CHIEF TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
DECISIONS, HAVING WHAT WE CALLED
ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS, DOING
THE LEGISLATION. SO AS A FORMER
PUBLIC DEFENDER AND JUDGE, I CAN
TELL YOU FROM THE 80s, I'M
DATING MYSELF, AND WAY BEFORE I
SHOWED UP, THESE ISSUES WERE
THERE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE HAD,
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE LOST JOHN
T. BUT BECAUSE THE CIRCUMSTANCES
WERE SO HORRIFIC THAT YOU HAD AN
ELDERLY GENTLEMAN WHO WAS DEAF,
WHO WAS SHOT, WALKING AWAY ON
VIDEO. EVEN THOUGH WE'VE KNOWN
HOW THESE INCIDENTS HAD HAPPENED
MANY TIMES BEFORE. IT HAPPENED
WHEN I WAS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. I
WANT TO SAY THIS WITHOUT PEOPLE
GETTING ALL CRAZY. PEOPLE LIE
SOMETIMES, INCLUDING POLICE
OFFICERS. YOU KNOW, IT IS
UNFORTUNATE. BUT YOU KNOW THIS,
CHAIR, BECAUSE YOU SAT NEXT TO
ME AT THE COURT HEARING. I THINK
THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE MOST
PROFOUND TO ME IS WHEN JUDGE
ASKED CHIEF BARNES -- I DON'T
HAVE MY NOTES WITH ME BECAUSE I
PUT CERTAIN THINGS IN QUOTES. IF
I COULD PARAPHRASE. HOW DO YOU
CHANGE THE CULTURE? AT THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT? HOW DO YOU
FORESEE THAT? HOW DO YOU CHANGE
THAT? I THINK CHIEF BARNES,
WITHOUT MY NOTES, I'M
PARAPHRASING. BASICALLY SAID
OFFICERS GET AWARDS FOR A LOT OF
THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T GET
AWARDS FOR THE THINGS WE ALSO
NEED TO VALUE, AND THAT IS BEING
IN THE COMMUNITY, PROTECTING THE
COMMUNITY, AND NOT HAVING THIS
CULTURE THAT SOMEHOW YOU HAVE
POWER BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GUN AND
A BADGE. IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE
IT LOOKED IN THE 20s. IT CANNOT
BE MILITARISTIC. NOT ONLY
INTERNAL CONTROLS, BUT
SELF-REPORTING AMONGST EACH
OTHER TO KEEP EACH OTHER
ACCOUNTABLE. I KNOW THERE'S A
LOT MORE THERE BECAUSE YOU WERE
SITTING THERE OBVIOUSLY. I
THOUGHT THAT WAS INCREDIBLY
PROFOUND. I REALLY APPRECIATED
CHIEF BARNES' RESPONSE TO HAVE
A FEDERAL JUDGE ASK HIM TO COME
UP TO THE PODIUM AND RESPOND AND
ADDRESS THE COURT. SO I'LL
LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU,
CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ. SHE'S ON POINT WITH
THAT. THIS IS THE KIND OF THING
THAT'S COME UP IN OUR
CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF BARNES.
I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE SINCE YOU
NOTED JUDGE. JUDGE MORE THAN
ONCE, THE COUNCIL WASN'T AN
ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE COURT
HEARING. BUT MORE THAN ONCE HE
CALLED OUT THE COUNCIL, ALONG
WITH THE EXECUTIVE, IN TERMS OF
SUPPORTING THE ACCOUNTABILITY
PARTNERS. THAT IS SOMETHING I
SAID IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE
AFTERWARDS, AND I'LL SAY IT
AGAIN TODAY. I'VE BEEN MAKING
THIS POINT REPEATEDLY THAT YES,
WE DO SUPPORT AND WILL SUPPORT
OUR ACCOUNTABILITY PARTNERS
DURING TWO BUDGETS, ALMOST TWO
BUDGET CYCLES RIGHT NOW. WE WILL
CONTINUE TO DO SO. I THINK
THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE
BECAUSE HE SPECIFICALLY
MENTIONED THE CITY COUNCIL IN
TERMS OF SUPPORTING. HE
UNDERSTANDS OUR SYSTEM HERE IN
THE CITY AND OUR
RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COUNCIL.
SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR
HIGHLIGHTING THE HISTORICAL
CONTEXT. YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT IN
TERMS OF THE POINTS YOU MADE.
AND ALSO ON THE POINTS OF
CULTURE AS SOMEONE WHO SAW THE
CHANGE IN CULTURE IN THE NAVY IN
THE 90s AND GENERALLY IN THE
MILITARY, IT IS SOMETHING THAT
TAKES TIME, BUT IT TAKES
LEADERSHIP. IT TAKES LEADERSHIP
FROM CHIEF BARNES, BUT ALSO FROM
THIS COUNCIL AND FROM THE MAYOR.
I THINK WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF
DOING THAT.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU. SO NOW, CLERK, IN
TERMS OF PUBLIC COMMENTERS. DO
WE HAVE ANY?
>> WE HAVE ZERO IN PERSON. THERE
ARE FOUR REMOTE SIGNED UP, BUT
ONLY ONE PRESENT. WE'LL START
WITH THE ONE.
>> WE'LL START WITH ONE AND SEE
WHERE WE GO. THE PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD WILL BE IN THE FOLLOWING
MATTER. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED
IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY
REGISTERED. SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A
CHIME WHEN TEN SECONDS ARE LEFT
OF THEIR TIME. SPEAKERS' MICS
WILL BE MUTED IF THEY DO NOT END
THEIR TIME WITHIN THE ALLOTTED
-- SORRY. DO NOT END THEIR
COMMENTS WITHIN THE ALLOTTED
TIME TO ALLOW US TO CALL ON THE
NEXT SPEAKER. PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD IS NOW OPEN. WE'LL BEGIN
WITH THE FIRST SPEAKER ON THE
LIST. THE FIRST REMOTE SPEAKER
IS HOWARD GALE. PLEASE PRESS
STAR SIX WHEN YOU HEAR THE
PROMPT. YOU HAVE BEEN UNMUTED.
>> MR. GALE?
>> GO AHEAD, HOWARD.
>> OKAY, GOOD MORNING, HOWARD
GALE. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY
45,000 TOTAL CRIME VICTIMS IN
SEATTLE, THE VAST MAJORITY, 87%,
VICTIMS OF PROPERTY CRIME.
IMAGINE LAWLESSNESS THREATENING
OVER THREE AND A HALF TIMES THAT
POPULATION. THAT IS OVER
156,000SEATTLITES. UNLIKE THE
PAST MAJORITY, THESE VICTIMS
BECOME TOO FRIGHTENED AND
TRAUMATIZED TO GO TO WORK, TO GO
SHOPPING, TO TAKE THEIR CHILDREN
TO SCHOOL, TO GO TO CHURCH, TO
ENJOY RELIGIOUS FESTIVALS, TO
NEVER KNOW WHEN OR WHERE THEY
MIGHT BE ABDUCTED. UNLIKE THE
VAST MAJORITY OF PRIOR CRIME
VICTIMS AND THEIR LOVED ONES,
THESE PEOPLE WILL FACE LIFE
ALTERING TRAUMAS THAT THEY MIGHT
NEVER RECOVER FROM. THAT WILL
SOON BE THE REALITY FOR OVER
156,000 SEATTLITES WHO ARE BORN
IN AN AMERICAN WHERE WE ARE HIGH
ON THE LIST OF CITIES, WHERE WE
WISH TO GO TO WAR WITH. THE
QUESTIONS WE MUST ASK OURSELVES
IS WHETHER IN THE COMING YEARS,
WE WANT TO END UP LIKE THE
AMERICANS OF THE 1940s WHO COULD
ONLY SAY WE WERE GOOD, WE DID
NOT PARTAKE IN SENDING FOLKS TO
THE CAMPS. OR DO WE WANT TO BE
ABLE TO SAY WE DID WHAT WE COULD
TO PREVENT FOLKS FROM BEING
TAKEN? THERE CENTRAL AND URGENT
TASK BEFORE THIS PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE TO DIRECT THEM TO GO
ON SIMPLY NOT PARTICIPATING IN
THE ABDUCTION OF SEATTLE
RESIDENTS. INSTEAD WORKS TO
ACTIVELY PROTECT THE FOURTH
AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF ALL SEATTLE
RESIDENTS, GUARANTEEING NO
FEDERAL ENFORCEMENT OF
IMMIGRATION HAPPENS ON SEATTLE
CITY PROPERTY, ABSENT A JUDICIAL
WARRANT, AND THAT NO PERSON IS
TAKEN FROM PUBLIC SPACES WITHOUT
A JUDICIAL WARRANT OR CLEARLY
ARTICULATED INDIVIDUALIZED
SUSPICION. I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS
AND SENT TO CHAIR KETTLE SUCH
LEGISLATION. IT IS URGENT THIS
LEGISLATION BE CONSIDERED.
REGARDING THE END OF THE CONSENT
DECREE, WE CANNOT TRULY MOVE
FORWARD UNTIL WE END THE
PATTERN, KILLING FOLKS
EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH
CRISIS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, HOWARD. NEXT UP IS
DAVID HAINES.
>> SEATTLE IS STILL NOT
PRACTICING CONSTITUTIONAL POLICE
REFORM. I KNOW THAT THEY LET YOU
OFF THE HOOK. BUT WHEN THE
NEGOTIATION WAS ORIGINALLY
NEGOTIATED, JENNY DURKIN
SABOTAGED THE INTEGRITY OF THE
ENTIRE THING BY INTRODUCING ONE
SENTENCE THAT SAID LOW LEVEL
DRUG PUSHERS EXEMPTED FROM JAIL.
THE POLICE NEGOTIATOR AGREED TO
IT AND JUDGE SIGNED OFF ON IT.
AND THEN BRUCE HARRELL VOTED TO
EXTEND LOW LEVEL DRUG PUSHERS
FROM JAIL UNDER 3.5 GRAMS. THEN
THE ENTIRE CITY HAS BEEN
IMPLODING EVER SINCE. THIS
COUNCIL HAS NOT CHANGED THE
RULES AND THE LAWS AND
IMPLEMENTED THE CRIME FIGHTING
TOOLS THAT THE CPC TO CONVINCE
THE CHIEF AND THE POLICE REFORM
TO TAKE AWAY, TO MAKE IT ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE FOR COPS TO BE
PROACTIVE IN COMBATING CRIME.
AND A PERFECT EXAMPLE IS CITY
COUNCIL SABOTAGING THE VIDEO
FEEDS, NOT ALLOWING IT TO BE
PLUGGED IN TO THE CC TV/NEW
KIOSKS THAT COULD HELP MAKE IT
SAFE. IT'S LIKE YOU ALL PICKED
LOW QUALITY LENSES AND VIDEO
FEEDS TO MAKE SURE YOU COULDN'T
IDENTIFY THE INDIVIDUAL. SO IF
HE IS WEARING A BLUE JACKET AND
GOES AROUND THE CAR AND TAKES
HIS JACKET OFF, ALL OF A SUDDEN
HE'S GOT PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY
AND REASONABLE DOUBT. IT'S LIKE
THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE WHOSE FAMILIES
ARE PROUD GANGSTERS AND CRIMINAL
UNDERWORLD CHARACTERS. WE SEE
AMENDMENTS THAT ARE ATTEMPTING
TO FURTHER UNDERMINE THE
INTEGRITY OF POLICE REFORM BY
SABOTAGING THE USE OF THE
TECHNOLOGY BY MAKING IT SEEM
LIKE THE COPS ARE THE BIGGEST
THREAT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND
IT'S REVOLTING. IT'S ANOTHER
REASON WHY WE HAVE A RIGHT TO
BEAR ARM IN IT HAD COUNTRY
BECAUSE WE HAVE THE
GOVERNMENT'S LEGISLATIVE
BRANCH, WHO DON'T HAVE THE BEST
INTEREST OF COMMUNITY AT HEART.
THEY ALWAYS ACT LIKE SOME BLACK
AND BROWN DRUG PUSHER HAS A
RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY DO, AND
THEY RUIN SOMEBODY'S LIFE --
>> THANK YOU, DAVID. LAST CALL
FOR AMY, AMY BAILEY, OR PENNY
O'GRADY. NOT SEEING THEM ON THE
LINE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU, CLERK. THE
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAS
EXPIRED. WE WILL NOW PROCEED TO
OUR ITEMS OF BUSINESS. MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO
SUBMIT PUBLIC WRITTEN COMMENTS
OR E-MAIL TO COUNCIL. WE WILL
NOW MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM OF
BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
READ ITEM NUMBER ONE INTO THE
RECORD?
>> CB 121064, AN ORDINANCE
RELATING TO REMOVING THE CITY
RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR JUDGES
PROTEMPORE IN SEATTLE, AMENDING
SECTION 3.33.140 OF THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING,
PRESIDING JUDGE CRAWFORD-WILLIS
OF THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT.
PLEASE JOIN US ALONG WITH MR.
SATYA SATTLER, COURT
ADMINISTRATOR AND FROM SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL COURT.
GOOD MORNING, WELCOME BACK.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR
THE RECORD, AND BEGIN YOUR
PRESENTATION. SO AGAIN, WELCOME,
PRESIDING JUDGE CRAWFORD-WILLIS.
>> YES, GOOD MORNING, GOOD
MORNING AS THE CHAIR HAS SAID.
MY NAME IS JUDGE
CRAWFORD-WILLIS. I'M THE
PRESIDING JUDGE FROM SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL COURT. I WANT TO THANK
YOU, CHAIR KETTLE, FOR INVITING
US AND THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, FOR INVITING US. IT'S
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. WE'RE
HAPPY TO BE HERE. I THINK JOSH
IS GOING TO BE MY -- FIRST
AGAIN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY TO
ASK YOU TO SUPPORT OUR
LEGISLATION TO CHANGE THE PRO
TEMP LANGUAGE IN THE SEATTLE
CODE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE
STRENGTHENING OUR RELATIONSHIP
WITH YOU, OUR COMMUNICATION, AND
THAT IS REALLY A HIGH PRIORITY
FOR ME AND FOR OUR COURT. SO
LET'S START WITH OUR SECOND
SLIDE. JUST GETTING MYSELF
ORGANIZED HERE. AND ALSO GOOD
MORNING, COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ. I
WAS HOPING YOU WOULD BE HERE IN
PERSON TOO, BUT NICE TO SEE YOU
ON THE BIG SCREEN.
>> I THINK THE CHAIR SHOULD KNOW
YOU WERE MY TUTOR IN LAW SCHOOL
BECAUSE YOU WERE ONE YEAR AHEAD
OF ME.
>> SHE GIVES ME TOO MUCH CREDIT,
BUT I'LL TAKE IT. SO LET'S GO
TO OUR NEXT SLIDE. AS YOU KNOW,
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT IS THE
JUDICIAL BRANCH OF SEATTLE
GOVERNMENT. WE PROVIDE THE
COMMUNITY WITH THE FORUM TO
RESOLVE ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF
THE LAW IN A RESPECTFUL,
INDEPENDENT, AND IMPARTIAL
MANNER. OUR COURT ADJUDICATES
MISDEMEANORS AND GROSS
MISDEMEANORS. THINGS LIKE
ASSAULTS, REGULAR ASSAULTS,
THEFT, HARASSMENT, DUIs, AND
THIS IS UNDER THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE AND THE REVISED
CODE OF WASHINGTON. WE ALSO
PROCESS ALL OF THE INFRACTIONS
IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE. THAT
WOULD INCLUDE PARKING, TRAFFIC
CAMERA INFRACTIONS. WE HANDLE
ALL OF THOSE CASES. YOU CAN GO
TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. SO
JUDGE PRO TEM OR THE FORMAL NAME
IS JUDGES PRO TEMPORE, BUT WE
REFER TO THEM AS JUDGES PRO TEM.
THESE ARE ATTORNEYS WHO SIT FOR
THE ELECTED JUDGES WHEN THEY ARE
OUT DUE TO VACATION, ILLNESS,
DISABILITY, OR DISQUALIFICATION.
THEY COVER FOR THE ELECTED
JUDGES. PRO TEMS ARE AUTHORIZED
BOTH UNDER THE RCW AND THE
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE. THEY ARE
APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDING
JUDGE. THEY TAKE AN OATH THAT
COVERS THE SAME TIME PERIOD AS
THE JUDGES CURRENTLY. PRO TEMS
IN SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT ARE
REQUIRED TO BE RESIDENTS OF THE
CITY OF SEATTLE. GOOD MORNING.
>> QUICK REFERENCE TO THE
ARRIVAL OF COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA.
NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALL
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ARE
WELCOMED TO JOIN THE COMMITTEE,
SO WELCOME THIS MORNING.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. APOLOGIES.
I WANTED TO SLIP IN, SO I
WOULDN'T BE DISRUPTED, BUT MY
APOLOGIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> IT'S A PLEASURE. I THINK
I'LL SEE YOU LATER TODAY. SO
THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE
LEGISLATION THAT WE ARE ASKING
YOU TO SUPPORT IS ORDINANCE
121064, PROPOSES A CHANGE TO THE
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE TO REMOVE
THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT PRO
TEMS. NOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR,
WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH
THE CITY OFFICE OF
INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS TO
CHANGE THE STATE LAW AND TO
REMOVE THE RESIDENCY
REQUIREMENT. SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
COURT IS THE ONLY COURT THAT'S
AUTHORIZED UNDER THE RCW THAT
REQUIRES CITIES WITH A
POPULATION OF OVER 400,000 TO
ESTABLISH A MUNICIPAL COURT.
THERE'S A SEPARATE LAW FOR ALL
OF THE OTHER COURTS. SO THIS
ONLY APPLIES TO OUR COURT. WITH
THAT COMES THE REQUIREMENT THAT
THE PRO TEMS BE RESIDENTS OF THE
CITY OF SEATTLE. WE WANT TO
THANK ALSO STATE REPRESENTATIVE
DARIA THAT HELPED US MAKE THE
CHANGE ON THE STATE SIDE. AND
ALSO OUR OIR COLLEAGUES WHO
HELPED ENSURE THE PASSAGE. AND
ALSO THANKS TO JUDGES, McDOWELL
FOR TESTIFYING AT THE STATE
LEGISLATURE IN TERMS OF CHANGING
THIS. OTHER MUNICIPAL COURTS DO
NOT HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT AND,
OF COURSE, SEATTLE IS THE ONLY
CITY WITH THE 400,000. SO THEY
ARE ABLE TO RECRUIT PRO TEMS
WITHOUT THE RESIDENCY
REQUIREMENT. SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
COURT ALREADY USES OUR
MAGISTRATES TO SERVICE PRO TEM
JUDGES, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A
RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. SO WE
ALREADY HAVE THEM SERVING
WITHOUT HAVING THE RESIDENCY
REQUIREMENT. YOU CAN GO TO THE
NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. YOU MIGHT
SAY WHY IS THIS SO IMPORTANT?
WELL, PRO TEM JUDGES, WE USE
THEM TO ENSURE THE COURT COULD
CONTINUE TO OPERATE SMOOTHLY.
WHEN WE HAVE JUDGES WHO ARE OUT
FOR VACATION, SICKNESS, WHATEVER
THE REASON, WE NEED TO HAVE PRO
TEMS TO COVER FOR THEM.
OTHERWISE WE ARE DELAYING
JUSTICE TO OUR CITIZENS. AS YOU
KNOW, OUR WHOLE MISSION IS TO
MAKE SURE WE RESOLVE THESE
DISPUTES AND WE WANT TO RESOLVE
THEM IN A TIMELY MANNER. WE
DON'T WANT THE REASON THEY'RE
NOT RESOLVED BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE JUDICIAL OFFICERS TO HEAR
THE CASES. IT'S BEEN REALLY
DIFFICULT FOR US IN THE RECENT
YEARS TO RECRUIT PRO TEMS. A LOT
OF REASONS. BUT ONE PRIMARY
REASON IS MANY OF THE ATTORNEYS
WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT AS PRO
TEMS WILL APPEAR BEFORE US. SO
BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY ARE
DISQUALIFIED. WE CANNOT RECRUIT
PEOPLE IN SEATTLE. I THINK
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS.
WHEN WE DON'T HAVE PRO TEMS,
AGAIN, AS I SAID, WE HAVE TO
COUNCIL COURT HEARINGS. WE HAVE
TO CONSOLIDATE. SO THERE IS A
DELAY IN JUSTICE. NOW, WE DO
UTILIZE OUR MAGISTRATES TO COME
UP AND SIT FOR THE JUDGES. BUT
THEN WE'RE TAKING THEM FROM
THEIR CASE LOAD, WHICH IS VERY
ROBUST. THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO
CANCEL SOME OF THEIR GREAT
PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE REDUCTION
PROGRAM. AGAIN, THAT DELAYS
JUSTICE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO THEY
ARE ADJUDICATING CASES FOR. SO
WE REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH
JUDICIAL OFFICERS IN BOTH SPOTS,
SO WE CAN KEEP THE WORK GOING.
IT SEEMS TO BE NO RATIONAL
JUSTIFICATION FOR KEEPING THAT
AS A REQUIREMENT SINCE WE
ALREADY USE OUR MAGISTRATES.
THEY ARE NOT RESIDENTS. AND ALSO
THE OVERRIDING VALUE IS THAT WE
HAVE JUDICIAL OFFICERS AVAILABLE
WHEN WE NEED THEM TO KEEP THE
CASES GOING. SO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR CONSIDERATION OF CHANGING
THIS LEGISLATION. I AM HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE. WE ALSO WANT TO SHARE SOME
OF THE EXCITING THINGS GOING ON
OUTSIDE OUR COURT, SO I'LL TURN
THAT OVER TO JOSH. I'LL TAKE
QUESTIONS OR YOU CAN HEAR FROM
JOSH FIRST.
>> LET'S FINISH WITH MR.
SATTLER, YES, THEN WE'LL TURN
IT OVER TO QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, JUDGE, THANKS, CHAIR.
KETTLE AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO
PROVIDE YOU WITH A COUPLE OF
UPDATES GOING ON WITH THE COURT.
AS YOU KNOW LAST MARCH, ABOUT 18
MONTHS AGO, LAUNCHING A NEW
TECHNOLOGY SYSTEM. I'M HAPPY TO
SHARE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
DILIGENTLY TO STABILIZE THAT
TECHNOLOGY, AND ENSURE ALL
CRITICAL DATA EXCHANGES ARE IN
PLACE WITH OUR SYSTEM'S
STAKEHOLDERS. A FEW WEEKS AGO,
OUR PARTNERS WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WENT LIVE
WITH THEIR CASE MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM AND THOSE DATA EXCHANGES
ARE UP, FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.
JUST WANTED TO SHARE THESE
INVESTMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY ARE
ENSURING A SMOOTH WORKING
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND WE
APPRECIATE THE FUNDING FROM
COUNCIL AND THE SUPPORT AS WE
WORK TO GET THOSE ACCOMPLISHED.
I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO THANK COUNCIL FOR
APPROVING OUR SUPPLEMENTAL
BUDGET REQUEST RELATED TO THE
DRUG PROSECUTION ALTERNATIVE.
THIS IS ANOTHER COLLABORATION
WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THAT PROGRAM WENT LIVE A FEW
WEEKS AGO. WE STARTED TO SEE
PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS OPT IN TO
THAT. INCLUDED IN IT THIS
FUNDING WERE TWO MARTIAL
POSITIONS, WHICH ARE CRITICAL TO
SUPPORT THE COURT AS WE SHARE AT
THAT TIME. WE'VE HAD A MASSIVE
SPIKE IN THE NUMBER OF
DEFENDANTS BEING TRANSPORTED
THAT REQUIRE EXTRA SUPPORT, AND
KEEPING THE COURTHOUSE SAFE.
OUR, AS I SAID, THE ALTERNATIVE
HAS OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED AND OUR
PRETRIAL SERVICES TEAM IS
WORKING WITH THOSE PARTICIPANTS
TO COORDINATE REFERRALS TO
COMMUNITY PARTNERS THROUGH OUR
COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER, THE
CRC, LOCATED IN THE COURTHOUSE.
WE HAVE ALSO CONTRACTED WITH
KING COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH FOR AN
ASSESSOR TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM
PARTICIPANTS. AND THAT PERSON IS
ALREADY HIRED AND ON BOARD AND
WORKING WITH PARTICIPANTS AS
WELL. WHILE PARTICIPANTS ARE AT
THE COURT, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO
OTHER CRC RESOURCE PROVIDERS
THAT ASSIST WITH HEALTH
INSURANCE, FOOD, MEDICAL
BENEFITS, AS WELL AS IMMEDIATE
SUPPLIES SUCH AS CLOTHING,
HYGIENE PRODUCTS, AND CELL
PHONES, ALL LOCATED IN OUR
COURTHOUSE. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TODAY, AND WE'RE
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON AT THE
COURT OR ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER.
>> THANK, MR. SATTLER. MR.
JOHNSON FROM CENTRAL STAFF.
ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD?
>> NO. I THINK OUR JUDICIAL
BRANCHES HAVE COVERED THEIR
LEGISLATION QUITE THOROUGHLY,
BUT I'M AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS I CAN ASSIST
WITH. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. I
REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. YOU
KNOW, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR
THE COMMITTEE, MR. SATTLER. I
FORGET THE FIRST WORD YOU SAID,
BUT FUNCTION CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM IS SO KEY FOR US. THAT'S
BEEN A THEME FOR THIS COMMITTEE
MOVING FORWARD. AND BEFORE I GO
TO THE -- TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR
ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE, I
JUST WANTED TO NOTE THERE'S
ALWAYS THE DANGER OF USING
CULTURAL REFERENCES. BUT LOOKING
ACROSS THE CROWD HERE, I THINK
EVERYBODY WILL GET IT. BUT IT'S
ALMOST LIKE A SCENE FROM SESAME
STREET WHEN YOU HAVE THE BOX OF
FOUR AND ONE OF THESE THINGS IS
NOT LIKE THE OTHER. SO NO
PRESSURE, BUT I'M THE ONLY ONE
WITHOUT A J.D. [ LAUGHTER ] SO
TEEING UP MY COLLEAGUES.
>> WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO SHAME
YOU.
>> YES.
>> AND OF COURSE, I ALWAYS START
WITH MY VICE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR
SAKA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. YES, NOTED,
YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE PHYSICALLY
OR VIRTUALLY WITHOUT A J.D., BUT
WE WON'T HOLD IT AGAINST YOU.
ALL GOOD.
>> I WILL. I'LL HOLD IT AGAINST
YOU. [ LAUGHTER ]
>> ALL GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU,
PRESIDING JUDGE CRAWFORD-WILLIS
FOR THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S
ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> YOU, ALSO.
>> THANK YOU. I HAD A CHANCE TO
LOOK AT SOME OF THE PRESENTATION
MATERIALS BEFORE THIS. YOU KNOW,
YOU KIND OF WALKING THROUGH IT
WAS VERY HELPFUL. AND THEN MR.
JOHNSON, EXCELLENT. GIVEN THE
NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE BEING
ASKED TO CONSIDER TODAY. CENTRAL
STAFF ANALYSIS MEMO. IT'S
ALWAYS HELPFUL, FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE, TO TRY TO QUANTIFY
THE SCOPE OF THE CHALLENGES AND
SORT OF RELATED OPPORTUNITIES.
SO HERE, WOULD LOVE TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND. IS THERE AN INITIAL
ESTIMATE OF THE CURRENT SLATE OF
PRO TEM JUDGES? LIKE HOW MANY
ARE CURRENTLY SERVING? HOW MANY
ARE IN THE POOL, IF YOU WILL, OF
PRO TEM JUDGES TODAY?
>> IF I HAD TO GUESS. I DON'T
HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT I
WOULD SAY WE HAVE ABOUT 15. BUT
AGAIN, MANY PEOPLE AREN'T
AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A
PRACTICE. SO I THINK PROBABLY
ONES THAT ACTUALLY SHOW UP FOR
UPSTAIRS. I WOULD SAY MAYBE FIVE
OR SIX.
>> GOT IT, GOT IT.
>> AND THEN WE USE THOSE SAME
PRO TEMS TO HELP US IN THE
MAGISTRATES OFFICE ALSO.
>> SURE.
>> WE HAVE MORE NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE IN THE BOOKS, BUT THEY'RE
NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE. AND SO BY
BEING ABLE TO RECRUIT OUTSIDE OF
SEATTLE, THAT GIVES US A BIGGER
POOL AND HAVE MORE NUMBERS
AVAILABLE. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A
LOT OF INTEREST FROM ATTORNEYS
OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE THAT ARE
INTERESTED IN PRO TEMMING FOR
US.
>> SURE, SURE. THAT MAKES SENSE.
THANK YOU. SO OF THAT ROUGH POOL
OF 15 OR SO PRO TEM JUDGES,
ROUGH ESTIMATE, WHAT IS THE
UTILIZATION RATE? I DON'T KNOW
HOW YOU WOULD BEST MEASURE THAT.
I'LL 100% DEFER TO YOU ON THAT.
IN TERMS OF NUMBERS OF TIMES
THEY'RE ASKED TO STEP IN, ON A
CASE BASIS, WHETHER THEY RESOLVE
SOMETHING FROM HEARING TO
RESOLUTION. BUT AT A HIGH LEVEL,
LIKE HOW OFTEN ARE THEY CALLED
UPON TO SERVE THEIR DUTY IN THIS
CASE?
>> OF COURSE, THIS ISN'T
STATISTICAL BECAUSE I DON'T
CALL THEM IN, OUR STAFF DOES.
>> SURE, SURE.
>> I WOULD SAY WE HAVE PRO TEMS
IN A COUPLE IN AT LEAST EVERY
WEEK. IF NOT, UPSTAIRS, SITTING
FROM THE JUDGES DOWNSTAIRS,
SITTING IN THE MAGISTRATE'S
OFFICE. A LOT OF THE TIMES WE
NEED TO CALL THE MAGISTRATES UP.
SO THEN WE CALL A PRO TEM TO
FILL THEIR SPOT. BUT IT'S
PRETTY OFTEN. THAT COULD BE DUE
TO A LOT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT
IF JUDGES ARE AFFIDAVIT. WE HAVE
TO BRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN TO
COVER THEIR CALENDAR. IF PEOPLE
ARE OUT SICK. SOMETIMES WE
DON'T KNOW UNTIL THE MORNING OF
OR VERY SHORTLY. WE USE PRO TEMS
PRETTY OFTEN.
>> SURE, SURE.
>> WE COULD GET BACK TO YOU WITH
THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS. I DON'T
HAVE THAT.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS. YOUR
INITIAL ROUGH TAKE. THANK YOU.
THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. AND THEN
FINALLY, SO YOU MENTIONED A PART
OF THE PURPOSE OF THE INITIAL
STATE LAW CHANGE WOULD BE TO
EXPAND THE POOL OF PERSPECTIVE
PRO TEM JUDGES BECAUSE THE
CERTAIN -- THERE'S A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN SEATTLE AND A LOT OF
LAWYERS. I KNOW THAT FIRSTHAND
BECAUSE I AM ONE. I'M A
NON-PRACTICING LAWYER FOR
CLARITY. THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT
OF LAWYERS IN THE CITY OF
SEATTLE. BUT TO YOUR POINT,
WELL, MYSELF, EVEN WHEN I WAS
PRACTICING, I'M NOT A LIT
GATOR, A TRANSACTIONAL LAWYER.
THE OTHER 85% OF LAWYERS ARE LIT
GATORS. OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, A
CERTAIN AMOUNT WOULD BE
PRECLUDED FROM SERVING IN THIS
CAPACITY BECAUSE OF THE RULES.
BECAUSE IF THEY APPEAR BEFORE
THE COURT REGULARLY. SO THIS
WOULD REMOVE THAT CITY.
RESIDENTS WHO WILL REQUIRE TO
EXPAND AND SO MORE PRACTICING
LAWYERS FROM RENTON OR
BAINBRIDGE OR WHEREVER. THAT
MAKES SENSE. BUT YOU ALSO
MENTIONED THAT IF THIS DOESN'T
HAPPEN, WELL SOMETIMES JUSTICE
IS DELAYED BECAUSE WE CAN'T,
THE POOL IS NOT DEEP ENOUGH
ESSENTIALLY. I'M PARAPHRASING.
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG
ON ANY OF THE PARAPHRASING OR
ANYTHING ELSE. AND SO TODAY,
JUST WANT TO GET A BETTER SENSE
OF THE SEVERITY AND THE SCOPE OF
THAT PROBLEM. HOW ACUTE IS IT
EXACTLY? HOW FREQUENTLY DO WE
RUN INTO CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE
JUSTICE IS DELAYED BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BECAUSE OF
THE LAST-MINUTE REQUEST AND
PEOPLE WILL GET SICK. YOU KNOW,
YOU GO DOWN THE LINE AND
UNAVAILABILITY. THAT ULTIMATELY
RESULTS IN JUSTICE BEING DELAYED
FOR SOME TIME. HOW FREQUENTLY
DOES THAT OCCUR TODAY?
>> SO AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE
EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I CAN GIVE
YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. WE CURRENTLY
RUN TWO COURTROOMS FOR TRIALS.
MOST WEEKS WE HAVE MORE THAN TWO
TRIALS THAT NEED TO GO OUT. BUT
BECAUSE WE CAN'T RUN ANOTHER
COURTROOM BECAUSE WE HAVE AN
AFFIDAVIT, A PREJUDICE, THEN
THAT MEANS THAT TRIAL HAS TO,
ONE OF THOSE TRIALS HAS TO BE
BUMPED TO ANOTHER WEEK. THAT
HAPPENS REGULARLY. AS YOU
LAWYERS KNOW, WE HAVE EXPIRATION
DATES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
MEET. AND SO IT CAUSES AN ISSUE
THERE. WE HAVE TO CONSOLIDATE
CALENDARS SOMETIMES IF WE DON'T
HAVE A JUDICIAL OFFICER TO SIT.
SO THAT MEANS A LOT MORE CASES
FOR THE ONE JUDGE. SOMETIMES WE
HAVE TO CANCEL CALENDARS AND SET
THEM OVER, IF WE DON'T HAVE A
PRO TEM. WE TRY, I MEAN, OF
COURSE, TO US, THAT'S OUR
PRIORITY IS TO RESOLVE THE CASES
TIMELY. WE DON'T WANT US TO BE
THE CAUSE OF IT. BUT SOMETIMES
THAT IS NECESSARY. IN THE
MAGISTRATES' OFFICE ALSO, YOU
DON'T HAVE TO CANCEL THINGS
THAT ARE SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC
LIKE THE DEBT REDUCTION
CALENDAR. I THINK THE THING
THAT'S IMPORTANT IS WE ARE THE
ONLY COURT IN THE STATE THAT HAS
THAT ADDED REQUIREMENT. EVERYONE
ELSE CAN RECRUIT FROM WHEREVER
THEY'D LIKE. YOU'RE RIGHT,
THERE ARE A LOT OF LAWYERS IN
SEATTLE. EVERYONE DOESN'T WANT
TO PRO TEM.
>> I GET IT, NO. ALL THAT MAKES
SENSE. THANK YOU, PRESIDING
JUDGE.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL
RESPONSES HERE. THEY'RE VERY
HELPFUL. ALL WE'RE DOING HERE
IS ESSENTIALLY ALIGNING CITY
CODE WITH STATE LAW. THERE ARE
SOME, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT
PIECE OF LEGISLATION, VERY
HELPFUL, I THINK, FOR ALL
INTENDED STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. EVERYONE
WILL BENEFIT WHEN WE AVOID
DELAYING JUSTICE, RIGHT, AS THE
GENERAL PROPOSITION. I'M GOING
TO FIND WAYS AND OPPORTUNITIES
TO INSERT THE WORDS AS A GENERAL
PROPOSITION, AS A LAWYER, IT IS
MY DUTY TO DO THAT. BUT IN ANY
EVENT, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD,
EVEN THOUGH IT IS IMPORTANT AND
SOMEWHAT TECHNICAL. AND I THANK
YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR BEING HERE
AND SHARING THIS WITH US. NO
FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE
CHAIR. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
FROM OUR COLLEAGUES.
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> I DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUE,
COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ, SINCE I
DON'T SIT ON THIS COMMITTEE.
BUT IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE A
QUESTION, THEN I'M HAPPY TO GO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I'M GOOD.
>> THANK YOU. WELL THANK YOU FOR
INDULGING A COUPLE QUESTIONS,
CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, PRESIDING
JUDGE CRAWFORD-WILLIS. THANK
YOU, JOSH, FOR BEING HERE. NICE
TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I REALLY WANT
TO THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
SAKA. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE
ESSENTIALLY ALIGNING TO WHAT THE
STATE HAS DONE, IT'S REALLY
GREAT TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND
FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHY WE
ARE TAKING, YOU KNOW, ACTION ON
THESE THINGS. WE ARE JUST
ALIGNING WITH THE STATE. THAT
DOESN'T GIVE THE INFORMATION AS
TO THE WHY, AND IT IS IMPORTANT.
THE PIECE ABOUT DELAYING JUSTICE
IS REALLY CRITICAL. I THINK AS
WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION,
I, FOR ONE, REALLY APPRECIATE
ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU
ASKED. I HAD SIMILAR. I HAD ONE
ADDITIONAL QUESTION ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, IS THERE A PRACTICE OR
BEST PRACTICE ON HOW MANY PRO
TEM JUDGES YOU WANT TO HAVE AT
THE READY? AND IF YOU DON'T
HAVE THAT, WE CAN TALK OFFLINE
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO MEET
LATER, I BELIEVE. BUT I ALSO
SUSPECT THERE'S A CERTAIN
NUMBER YOU WANT TO HAVE ON HAND
FOR THE REASONS WE TALKED ABOUT
EARLIER. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S
JUST A SCARCITY OF FOLKS WILLING
TO DO THIS, SO I THINK THAT IS
IMPORTANT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
HAVE A RESPONSE NOW OR WE CAN
TALK OFFLINE. EITHER IS FINE.
>> YOU KNOW, THAT IS A GREAT
QUESTION. I CAN SAY WE PROBABLY
HAVEN'T SAT DOWN -- WE HAVEN'T
COME UP WITH A PARTICULAR
NUMBER, BUT I WOULD SAY AS MANY
AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE AGAIN, AS
YOU KNOW, WE GET THE LIST AND
YOU START GOING DOWN THE LIST.
THIS PERSON CAN'T DO IT TODAY,
THIS PERSON CAN'T DO IT. AND
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T COME
UP WITH A NUMBER. I WOULD SAY AS
MANY AS POSSIBLE. THE DIFFERENCE
IS PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SERVE. A
LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP. FOUR
DIFFERENT REASONS WHEN THEY
CALLED THEM, THEY MIGHT NOT BE
AVAILABLE. SO MORE PEOPLE THAT
CAN BE AVAILABLE. WE FIND THAT
PEOPLE THAT ARE SOLO
PRACTITIONERS, THEY ARE REALLY
MORE AVAILABLE BECAUSE, YOU
KNOW, THEY GET TO SET THEIR OWN
SCHEDULE. BUT AS MANY AS
POSSIBLE. BUT YOU GIVE ME
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT TO
THINK OF A NUMBER. WE ACTUALLY
HAVEN'T COME UP WITH A NUMBER
YET, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>> ONE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
ANSWER ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS
A LIST, AND YOU DON'T KNOW AT
ANY GIVEN TIME HOW MANY OF THOSE
FOLKS ARE AVAILABLE. YOU
LITERALLY HAVE TO SIT THERE AND
START CALLING THEM BECAUSE THESE
FOLKS DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GOING
TO GET CALLED THAT DAY. IT MAKES
IT REALLY TRICKY. THEY'RE
WILLING TO SERVE, BUT THEY MIGHT
NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE THAT DAY,
NOT KNOWING WHETHER THEY'RE
GOING TO GET CALLED AT ANY TIME.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. JUST
SO WE'RE CLEAR, I DON'T DO THE
CALLING. WE HAVE WONDERFUL
STAFF.
>> YES, OF COURSE, WE ALL HAVE
WONDERFUL STAFF THAT SUPPORT US.
>> WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THEM.
>> NO. I ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE
CREDIT TO OUR STAFF BECAUSE
THEY'RE THE FOLKS THAT PEOPLE
DON'T KNOW.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> THEY'RE THE ONES ACTUALLY
HELPING TO DO ALL THE GREAT WORK
THAT THE CITY DOES.
>> ABSOLUTELY, THEY ARE.
>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. MY FINAL
QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE -- THIS
IS RELATED -- AND CHAIR, MAYBE
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE OR
YOU'RE GOING TO BRING BACK. BUT
RELATED TO THE DRUG PROSECUTION
ALTERNATIVE. OF COURSE, THIS IS
SOMETHING WE VERY MUCH CARE
ABOUT WHEN, YOU KNOW, FOLKS ARE
USING DRUGS, AND IF THEY GET
ARRESTED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THEIR ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE FOLKS
NEED HELP. IT'S AN ADDICTION
OBVIOUSLY. OUR GOAL IS TO GET
FOLKS THE HELP THEY NEED TO BE
SUCCESSFUL. I'M INTERESTED IN
THESE TYPES OF ALTERNATIVES AND
WOULD LOVE MORE INFORMATION
ABOUT HOW THIS HAS BEEN
UNDERSTOOD, WHERE IT HAS NOT
BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
WOULD LOVE TO GET MORE
INFORMATION ON HOW THINGS ARE
GOING. NOT JUST BEYOND NUMBER OF
REFERRALS. IT'S HOW WELL THOSE
PEOPLE ARE DOING IS MORE EQUALLY
OR MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE
GETTING THE HELP THAT THEY NEED.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A
RESPONSE TO THAT, JOSH, HAPPY TO
TALK OFFLINE. BUT WOULD LOVE TO
KNOW HOW IT'S GOING.
>> WE WOULD LOVE TO DO BOTH,
HONESTLY. WE HAVE A GREAT
PRETRIAL SERVICES TEAM. WE'D BE
MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME BACK TO
THIS COMMITTEE AND PRESENT AFTER
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN LIVE FOR A FULL
MONTH AT THIS POINT, BUT WE
ALREADY DO HAVE SOME COOL
SUCCESS STORIES OF PEOPLE BEING
ENGAGED WITH SERVICES
IMMEDIATELY UPON RELEASE FROM
JAIL. SO MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO
THAT ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT
MORE DATA AND STORIES TO SHARE
WITH YOU, AND WE'LL BRING THE
RIGHT TEAM TO SPEAK TO THOSE
POINTS.
>> I'M GOING TO SAY, I HAD MY
FIRST ONE COME BEFORE MY COURT
TO SIT AND IT WAS VERY EXCITING.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THESE ARE
FOLKS THAT ARE DIVERTED INSTEAD
OF JAILS, THEY GET SERVICES OR
AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THE
PROGRAM?
>> SURE. SO UPON ARREST OR
CHARGE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE DETERMINES WHO WILL
RECEIVE THIS OFFER. IF THEY
ACCEPT THIS OFFER, THEY ARE
IMMEDIATELY RELEASED FROM
CUSTODY AND ARE BROUGHT OVER BY
THE COURT BY A PRETRIAL SERVICE
OFFICER, AND THEY ARE CONNECTED
TO RESOURCES AT THE CRC, AND
THEY ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT,
IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL TO HAVE
THEIR CHARGES DISMISSED. IT IS
ALSO OFFERED TO THOSE FOLKS WHO
ARE APPEARING OUT OF CUSTODY WHO
ARE CHARGED. THEY HAVE THE SAME
OPPORTUNITIES. BUT THAT'S IN
THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF WHO IS
OFFERED THIS DIVERSION
OPPORTUNITY.
>> GREAT. IT'S DIVERSION. SO
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT
THIS.
>> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, WE HAVE
THEM PRESENTING LATER DURING
THIS HEARING.
>> THANK YOU. CHAIR, DIDN'T
MEAN TO TASK THIS COMMITTEE THAT
I DON'T EVEN SIT ON, AND YOU
GRACIOUSLY LET ME ATTEND. GIVE
YOU ONE OTHER ITEM FOR YOUR
COMMITTEE, BUT WE CAN TALK
OFFLINE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. I'M HAPPY
TO TAKE INPUT FROM EVERYWHERE.
SOMETHING THAT WILL COME UP
LATER. COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ,
BEFORE I FINISH UP, ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE?
>> I'M GOOD, THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. I DO APPRECIATE THE
QUESTIONS. AGAIN, I DO THANK YOU
FOR COMING HERE. WHAT'S NOT
REALLY KNOWN, WE HAVE NINE
ENTITIES THAT REPORT TO THIS
COMMITTEE. I, AS CHAIR, AND MY
COLLEAGUES DO AS WELL, BUT IN
TERMS OF CHAIR RESPONSIBILITY, I
ENGAGE WITH EACH OF THE NINE ON
A REGULAR BASIS. CHIEF KNOWS
THIS TOO, WHO HAS JOINED US IN
THE CHAMBER. BUT I ENJOY WORKING
THESE ISSUES RELATED TO SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL COURT BECAUSE AGAIN,
IT IS SO KEY IN TERMS OF THAT
FUNCTIONING CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEMS. ALL THE WORK WE'RE
DOING COULD TAKE MULTIPLE STEPS
BACK IF THERE ARE FALTERS HERE.
SO THE WORK YOU'RE DOING WITH
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COURT
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
OVER THE DRUG PREVENTION
AGREEMENT PROGRAM, THANK YOU FOR
THE UPDATE ON THE CASE
MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, NOW THAT WE
HAVE BOTH UP. IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT. AS WE'VE TALKED
ABOUT IN DIFFERENT MEETINGS,
STAFFINGS WITH THE MARTIALS,
IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO THIS
COMMITTEE TO ENSURE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL COURT IS, YOU KNOW,
WORKING WELL. THESE POINTS THAT
YOU HIGHLIGHT IN YOUR BRIEFING
ARE, YOU KNOW, A POINT TO THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING. WE WILL
THEN VOTE IN EXIT HAD TEE NEXT
TIME FOR THE PRO TEM. BUT IT
SEEMS TO BE VERY
STRAIGHTFORWARD, NO BRAINER.
ALSO, I THINK IT IS ALSO AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR PROFESSIONAL
DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL GIVE YOU
THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE
THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN
BECOMING A JUDGE TO GET SOME
EXPERIENCE IN IT. AND SEE WHAT
IT IS ALL ABOUT, AT LEAST AT THE
MUNICIPAL COURT LEVEL. THAT IS A
POSITIVE FOR THOSE THAT ARE, YOU
KNOW, THINKING ABOUT MOVING INTO
JUDGE. AND THEN MAYBE, AS
COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ HAS SHOWN
INTO BECOMING A COUNCIL MEMBER.
I DON'T THINK PRO TEM COUNCIL
MEMBERS ARE GOING TO WORK, SO WE
WILL LEAVE IT TO PRO TEM JUDGES,
SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP NEXT COMMITTEE
MEETING.
>> FOR THE RECORD, THE DECIDING
JUDGE ALREADY ASKED ME. [
LAUGHTER ]
>> AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR
KETTLE, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
>> YES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I DO RECOGNIZE TOO, THERE'S
THE BAND OF BROTHERS. THE FAMOUS
MOVIE, YOU KNOW, THE MINI
SERIES, ALL THAT. BUT I ALSO
RECOGNIZE IN SEATTLE, THERE'S
THE BAND OF SISTERS. ALL THESE
WOMEN WHO WENT TO LAW SCHOOL IN
ABOUT THE SAME TIME, WORK IN
VARIOUS JOBS ABOUT THE SAME
TIME, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN
THIS LONG EERIER IT. IT IS ALSO
A THANK YOU TO OUR COLLEAGUE,
REMOTING IN FROM HER LOCATION,
SO THANK YOU.
>> NICE MEETING YOU
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, AND ALWAYS
GOOD TO SEE YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
SAKA.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU, JUDGE.
>> WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR
SECOND ITEM OF BUSINESS. WILL
THE CLERK PLEASE READ ITEM TWO
INTO THE RECORD?
>> FIRE CODE UPDATE BRIEFING.
>> OKAY, GOOD MORNING. WE HAVE
ASSISTANT CHIEF MUNNIK JOINING
US WITH MS. GROVE AND MR.
BROUILLETTE, IF I SAID THAT
CORRECTLY FROM SEATTLE FIRE
DEPARTMENT. AND AS TRADITION
CONTINUES, WE HAVE FROM CENTRAL
STAFF. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
THIS MORNING. OVER TO YOU. CAN
YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF
FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN JUMP
INTO YOUR PRESENTATION.
>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF
SEATTLE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
I'M KAREN GROVE, THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF FIRE PREVENTION.
>> KEN BROUILLETTE, FIRE CODE
SPECIALIST.
>> I'M TIM MUNNIS, THE FIRE
MARSHAL.
>> KARINA BULL, CENTRAL STAFF.
>> THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, OVER TO YOU.
>> GREAT. SO I WANTED TO START
WITH JUST SUMMARIZING WHAT THIS
ORDINANCE DOES. THIS IS A
TECHNICAL ORDINANCE, NO POLICY
CHANGES. IT'S A CLEAN UP TO THE
FIRE CODE. WE ARE UPDATING A
REFERENCE TO A REVISED CODE OF
WASHINGTON STATUTE, JUST TO
ALIGN WITH THE CODE AND THE
ORGANIZATION THE STATE MADE. WE
ARE ALSO MAKING SOME OTHER
UPDATES TO LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE
IT IS AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE FOR
THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT. THAT
WOULD BE THE PUBLIC, AS WELL AS
OUR INSPECTORS. AND I ALSO WANT
TO GIVE YOU, VERY BRIEFLY, MY
INTENTION FOR US TODAY. THE
FIRST THING I'M GOING TO DO IS
JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF
OUR CODE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THEN I'M GOING TO LOOK AT SOME
OF THE CHANGES. AND ONE OF THE
CHANGES ACTUALLY MENTIONS THE
DANGEROUS BUILDINGS PREVISIONS
IN THE CODE. WHILE WE'RE ON
THAT TOPIC, I DO HAVE A QUICK
UPDATE FOR YOU ON THE STATUS OF
OUR WORK, SINCE THE LEGISLATION
WE PASSED LAST SUMMER. SPOILER
ALERT, IT'S REALLY BEEN
EFFECTIVE. THE EVIDENCE SHOWS
THAT WAS GOOD LEGISLATION. AND
THAT WILL BE THE END OF MY
PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL
HAVE TIME FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. SO
THE SEATTLE FIRE CODE'S PURPOSE
IS TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS
INTENDED TO PRESERVE LIVES AND
PROTECT PROPERTY. IT IS BASED ON
WORK DONE BY TECHNICAL
COMMITTEES AT THE NATIONAL
LEVEL, REPRESENTING A WIDE
VARIETY OF INTERESTS AND
EXPERTISE. THAT NATIONAL CODE
ALSO REFERS TO THE MODEL CODE.
IT'S THEN FURTHER AMENDED IN
THE STATES THAT CHOOSE TO USE
IT, SO YOU HAVE A CALIFORNIA
VERSION OF THE CODE, A
WASHINGTON VERSION. AND IN
WASHINGTON, WE ARE ALLOWED UNDER
STATE LAW TO AMEND IT FURTHER.
THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE TYPICALLY
APPROVED BY YOU ALL. THE LAW
GIVES YOU SOME PARAMETERS. YOU
CAN DO THINGS TO WORK BETTER FOR
SEATTLE THAT MEETS EQUIVALENCE
SAFETY OR DO THINGS THAT WILL
MAKE THE CODE EVEN HIGHER
STANDARDS, BUT YOU CAN'T GO
LESS. IN SEATTLE SINCE THE 1950s
UNDER COUNCIL ORDINANCE, WE DO
OUR WORK WITH THE FIRE CODE
ADVISORY BOARD, IT'S A
VOLUNTEER BOARD. IT REPRESENTS
BUILDING OWNERS AND MANAGERS,
THE ARCHITECTS, INSURANCE, 15
DIFFERENT INTERESTS. THIS
ORDINANCE AS WELL HAS BEEN
THROUGH OUR ADVISORY BOARD. YOU
KNOW THIS, BUT THE CODES ARE
TYPICALLY ADOPTED HERE WHETHER
IT'S THE BUILDING CODE, THE
FIRE CODE OR A THREE YEAR CYCLE,
SO 18/21/24. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE
AUTHORITY TO MAKE CLEANUP IN
BETWEEN, SO MID CYCLE CLEANUPS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY,
LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO MEET OUR
LOCAL NEEDS. THE FIRST ITEM IS
THE STATE HAS CHANGED HOW
THEY'RE BASICALLY ORGANIZING
THEIR OWN CODE. SO WE JUST NEED
TO REFLECT THAT. WHAT IS THE
SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS? THE
STATE PROVIDES PROCESS IF THE
CITY IS ENFORCING THE FIRE CODE,
WHAT TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS ARE
THERE? AND THE STATE LAW, GOOD
THROUGHOUT WASHINGTON SAYS
PROPERLY SIGNED STATEMENTS ARE
ALLOWED IN LIEU OF HAVING THAT
SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE SHOW UP IN
FRONT OF THE JUDGE OR SHOW UP AT
A HEARING. SO IF THAT INSPECTOR
OR OFFICER HAPPENS TO BE OUT OF
THE COUNTRY OR HAPPENS TO BE
RETIRED, OR HAPPENS TO BE
WORKING THAT DAY IN A FIRE
ENGINE, WE CAN STILL PROCEED
WITH THE STATEMENT, THAT WILL
MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW.
SO IT IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE.
WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR CODE. THIS
IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE STATE
AND SO ARE OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS
HERE IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE.
THAT IS INTERESTING. MY VERSION
OF THE SLIDES LOOK A LITTLE
DIFFERENT. LET ME TRY ADVANCING.
OKAY, GOT IT. PERFECT. SO
THERE'S ANIMATION. WE HAVE THE
AUTHORITY UNDER THE FIRE CODE TO
TAKE ACTION TO ENSURE VACANT
BUILDINGS DON'T CAUSE A PUBLIC
NUANCE. HOW THE CODE APPROACHES
THIS, IT FIRST TALKS ABOUT
VACANT BUILDINGS. IT SAYS THE
VERY FIRST OBLIGATION IS YOU
KEEP YOUR VACANT BUILDINGS SAFE,
SO THEY DON'T BECOME DANGEROUS.
WHEN THE CODE LAYS OUT THESE
GENERAL OBLIGATIONS. IT SAYS
RATHER THAN SAYING VACANT, IT
SAYS TEMPORARILY UNOCCUPIED
BUILDINGS MUST FOLLOW ALL THESE.
AND IN TALKING WITH OUR
INSPECTORS AS WELL WITH OUR CODE
EXPERTS AND OUR LAW DEPARTMENT,
THAT TEMPORARY CONCEPT ISN'T
DEFINED, SO IT'S UNCLEAR. IT'S
180 DAYS CONTEMPORARY. WHAT IF
IT IS 200? AND REALLY THE
INTENTION IS IF THE BUILDING IS
UNOCCUPIED, YOU NEED TO KEEP IT
SAFE, SO IT DOESN'T BECOME
DANGEROUS. THAT MEANS MAINTAIN
IT AND SECURE IT, SO YOU DON'T
HAVE PEOPLE BREAKING IN. ANOTHER
THING THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY
DONE IS THE CODE SAYS YOU'VE
GOT TO KEEP THE PREMISES SECURE.
WE'VE HISTORICALLY BEEN
REQUIRING FENCES FOR THAT. WE
RECOGNIZE THE CODE DOESN'T
ACTUALLY CALL THAT OUT, THAT
FENCING COULD BE REQUIRED AND IT
DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY THAT. YOU
HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE FENCE. SO
IF IT GETS KNOCKED DOWN, YOU
HAVE TO PUT IT BACK UP. AND SO
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT AS
POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHAT THE CODE
HERE SAYS. OKAY. LET'S SEE. LET
ME CLICK THROUGH MY ANIMATIONS
HERE. PERFECT. SO YOU ALL KNOW
THIS LAST SUMMER, IN THE LEAD UP
TO THE SUMMER, WE WORKED WITH
YOU ALL WITH A LOT OF SUPPORT
FROM YOU ALL THAT MADE A BIG
DIFFERENCE TO CREATE LEGISLATION
THAT PUT IN PLACE SOME
INCENTIVES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS
TO FIX OR DEMOLISH THEIR OWN
DANGEROUS BUILDINGS. AND REALLY
THE INNOVATION THAT YOU MADE, IF
PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T DO THAT,
THE CITY CAN. SINCE THAT TIME,
WE'VE REALLY SEEN A BUNCH OF
PROGRESS. YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER
BEFORE THE LEGISLATION, THESE
BUILDINGS JUST HUNG OUT THERE.
THERE WAS REALLY NO PROGRESS. WE
DIDN'T LEAVE NOTICES. NOTHING
CHANGED FOR THE COMMUNITY. SINCE
THAT TIME, WE'VE SEEN, I THINK
OUR LIST NOW, DANGEROUS BUILDING
LIST IS SHORTER NOW THAN THE
LIST OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE
EITHER BEEN DEMOLISHED OR
REHABBED. SO IT IS WELL UNDER
100 NOW. SINCE THE LEGISLATION,
WE HAVE A BETTER NUMBER, A
HIGHER NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT
HAVE EITHER BEEN DEMOLISHED OR
REHABBED. THAT MEANS IT'S NEW
SAFE HOUSING FOR THE POTENTIAL
FOR THAT IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
IT'S PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE OF
WHAT THIS HAS DONE. ANOTHER
THING I JUST WANT TO MENTION
ABOUT THE LAW IS YOU SAID TO THE
COMMUNITY. IF YOU DON'T DO
ANYTHING, SPD CAN. BUT HOW OFTEN
HAVE WE HAD TO USE THAT? ALL
THIS PROGRESS HAS BEEN LED BY
OWNERS. WE HAVE DEMOLISHED ONLY
ONE BUILDING ITSELF. THE REST OF
IT IS DONE BY THE PROPERTY
OWNERS THEMSELVES. THAT'S
BETTER FOR THEM. THEY TEND TO
GET A BETTER PRICE POINT THAN WE
CAN. IT IS LESS. IT'S A PRETTY
PUNITIVE STEP WE COULD TAKE, BUT
WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE NOT
HAVING TO. SO WE'VE DONE ONE
COURT ORDER DEMOLITION, AND WE
HAVE ONE IN CONTRACT. BUT YOU
SEE THEY HAVE BEEN INITIATED AND
COMPLETED BY THE BUILDING OWNERS
ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. JUST
REMINDING EVERYONE, WHY THIS
MATTERS SO MUCH. THESE BUILDINGS
TRULY ARE NUANCE PROPERTY,
HISTORIES OF PREVIOUS FIRES. IT
PUTS OTHERS AT RISK. I THINK
THIS BUILDING I HAVE A PICTURE
OF IS FROM 2004. I WANT TO TELL
YOU THIS IS ONE THAT ACTUALLY
SPREAD TO THE NEIGHBORING
BUILDING. LET ME GIVE YOU A
QUICK REFERENCE. THIS PHOTO IS
FROM AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. 1700
BLOCK OF BELMONT. IN THIS CASE,
THE VACANT BUILDING FIRE DID
EXTEND TO AN OCCUPIED BUILDING
NEXT TO IT. IT IS ALSO DANGEROUS
OBVIOUSLY FOR THE PUBLIC AND OUR
FIRST RESPONDERS. OKAY.
SWITCHING GEARS NOW TO FALSE
ALARMS. MAYBE JUST A COUPLE OF
CLEANUPS HERE AS WELL. ONE
EXAMPLE I WANTED TO SHARE WITH
YOU IS THE ORDINANCE USED TO
STATE THE OWNERS RESPONSIBLE FOR
FALSE ALARMS BY A TENANT,
OCCUPANT, GUEST. WE JUST LISTED
OUT MORE CLEARLY. YEAH, THAT
COULD BE A CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS
SORT OF INCLUDED, BUT LET'S
MAKE IT SUPER UNAMBIGUOUS. IT
COULD BE A GUEST OF SOMEBODY WHO
IS ALLOWED THERE. OH, BY THE
WAY, IF THERE IS TRESPASSING AND
THAT PERSON WAS NOT ON YOUR
PROPERTY WITH YOUR PERMISSION,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU PAY
A CITATION FOR THAT, SO WE WILL
TAKE THAT OFF. WE ALSO WANTED TO
CLARIFY THAT. WE THINK IT IS A
FAIR APPROACH. WE THINK IT IS A
VERY CLEAR LANGUAGE. IT IS JUST
HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE SUPER
CLEAR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT WHEN
WE WORK. AND THAT BRINGS ME TO
QUESTION TIME, SHOULD YOU HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR SUPPORT WITH OUR WORK.
>> THANK YOU, MS. GROVE. ANY
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, FIRE
MARSHAL? OKAY. MS. BULL?
>> NO, THAT WAS A VERY THOROUGH
OVERVIEW, AND JUST REITERATING
THAT IT'S A TECHNICAL PIECE OF
LEGISLATION, CLARIFYING THE
INTENT AND HISTORICAL PRACTICES.
>> OKAY. COLLEAGUES? LOOKING
FIRST AT MY VICE CHAIR. IF THERE
ARE ANY QUESTIONS. AGAIN, THIS
IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
>> NO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF
I MAY?
>> OKAY.
>> JUST QUICKLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND
RECOGNIZE THE DEPARTMENT. I
APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR BEING
HERE TODAY, WALKING US THROUGH
THIS -- THIS FAIRLY TECHNICAL
AND HIGHLY SPECIFIC PIECE OF --
BUT IMPORTANT PIECE OF
LEGISLATION TO PUT US MORE IN
LINE WITH BEST PRACTICES THAT
EXIST TODAY. BUT YEAH, THANK
YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE,
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THIS IS
ALSO HELPFUL FOR OUR SCHEDULE,
OF COURSE. NOT SEEING ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS. I'LL JUST ADD,
THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS WAS
OUR FIRST BILL IN THIS TURN OF
THE COUNCIL. CHIEF AND I HAVE
HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.
IT IS ABOUT TAKING ACTION. IT'S
ABOUT PUTTING IN PLACE THE
STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK PLAN. THIS
ISSUE IS A PILLAR OF THAT PLAN.
THIS REALLY KICKED OFF ALL THE
WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING, WHICH
TOTALS OVER 2,000 PUBLIC SAFETY
PIECES OF LEGISLATION. AND THE
EFFECT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR
THE COMMUNITY, BOTH FROM THE
SAFETY REVIEW IN TERMS OF
CREATING A SAFER NEIGHBORHOOD,
ALSO HELPING THESE NEIGHBORHOODS
MORE GENERALLY TOO. YOU KIND OF
ELUDED TO IT. THAT IS SO
IMPORTANT FOR THESE COMMUNITIES
TO STEP FORWARD. THAT WAS
SOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT FROM
MY COSPONSOR OF THE LEDGE SLEIGH
FROM DISTRICT TWO. THAT'S A BIG
PIECE FOR HER WHEN SHE PUSHED
THE LEGISLATION FORWARD. SO I
WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE HARD
WORK BECAUSE I KNOW THE NUMBERS
ARE INCREDIBLE, WHAT A
DIFFERENCE THIS IS MAKING. I
WANT TO THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN
OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, LED BY
YOU AND ALSO CHIEF FOR THIS WORK
BECAUSE IT TRULY MAKES A
DIFFERENCE. AND IT ALSO SYNCS UP
WITH THE OTHER WORK WE'RE
DOING, CHRONIC NUANCE PROPERTY
BILL, WHICH ARE SPD CENTERED.
BUT THESE BILLS ARE WORKING
TOGETHER, THEY'RE REALLY
STARTING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
2024 WAS A TRANSITION YEAR. NOW
THESE BILLS ARE BEING PUT INTO
PRACTICE. YOU, LEADING THE WAY,
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LEADING THE
WAY. BUT THIS LEGISLATION IS PUT
INTO ACTION, GETTING RESULTS. IT
IS SO IMPORTANT. THAT'S THE
MODEL L FOR THE OTHER
DEPARTMENTS TO FOLLOW, TO
INCLUDE THE SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. AT THE END OF THE
DAY, THE COMBINATION, BRINGING
THESE PIECES TOGETHER, THEY ARE
REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE FOR
OUR CITY, SO THANK YOU.
>> MR. CHAIR?
>> YES, COUNCIL MEMBER?
>> I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. I
WAS READING. THREE THINGS. ONE,
COMPLAINT, NEED PAGE NUMBERS.
THAT'S ALWAYS ONE OF THOSE
THINGS TO LOOK THROUGH THE
PAGES, BUT THAT IS ALWAYS LIKE
USE PAGE NUMBERS. ON THE PAGE
WHERE DANGEROUS BUILDING UPDATES
AND YOU BREAK IT DOWN BY
DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN
ASKING FOR WHEN I WAS HERE
BEFORE. SO WE KNOW WHAT WAS
DEMOLISHED AND REMODELED. YOU
CAN SEE FROM D3 AND D5, A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS
DEMOLISHED AND WHAT WOULD GET
REBUILT. THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM
FOR, AND I'M SURE COUNCILMEMBER
MORALES REALIZED IN HER
DISTRICT. IT WAS A PUBLIC NUANCE
THAT WASN'T BEING DEMOLISHED.
IT WOULD BE NICER TO SEE THAT
THEY WERE REMODELED, SOMETHING
IN THEIR PLACE. THE OTHER THING
IS JUST A QUESTION. IF YOU HAVE
ONE COURT ORDER DEMO SET UP, DO
YOU GO TO MUNICIPAL COURT OR THE
SUPERIOR COURT OR THE DISTRICT
COURT? NOT DISTRICT. WHERE DO
YOU GO FOR THOSE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER, WE'LL GO TO
THE KING COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT
FOR THE WARRANT OF ABATEMENT. I
THINK IT'S THE PUBLIC NUANCE.
LET ME EXPLAIN MY TABLE A LITTLE
BIT BETTER. WHERE IT SAYS NINE
WERE DEMOLISHED AND ONE WAS
REMODELED. THAT IS A TOTAL OF
TEN PROPERTIES, AND NINE OF
THEM, HOW MANY HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY
BEEN REMODELED? THE REMODELED
COLUMN, THAT MEANS THE BUILDING
DIDN'T NEED TO COME DOWN TO THE
GROUND, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> OH, OKAY, YEAH.
>> SO IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT
RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY,
AFTER THEY DEMOLISHED IT, HOW
MANY OF THOSE HAVE BEEN
REDEVELOPED, SOLD, NEW HOUSING?
AND I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THAT
HONESTLY. MAYBE WE COULD COME
BACK TO YOU AT SOME POINT.
>> YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR
JOB, BUT IT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING
WITH HOUSING. WHEN WE WOULD SEE,
YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST QUICKLY SAY
THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME,
CHAIR. SO WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING
DEMOLISHED, LIKE I'VE SEEN UP
HERE AND ACROSS THE CITY.
THAT'S GOOD THAT IT IS
DEMOLISHED? IT IS NOT A PUBLIC
NUANCE? YOU EVEN HAVE PEOPLE
SQUATTING IN THERE, YOU DON'T
HAVE DANGEROUS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
PUT UP FENCES. THE OTHER THING
IS IT IS ALWAYS BETTER WHEN WE
CAN DRIVE BY AGAIN AND SEE THAT
OH, THEY ARE PUTTING HOUSING UP.
THEY ARE PUTTING THE PREK UP,
BEAUTIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS PROBABLY NOT YOUR JOB TO
DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE
INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT
SPACE IS BEING REUSED AFTER IT
IS DEMOLISHED.
>> I THINK THAT WE WILL SHARE
YOUR VISION OF THE END RESULT. I
WILL SEE WHAT TYPE OF DATA THAT
WE HAVE AND IF I GET SOMETHING,
I'LL REPORT THAT BACK.
>> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU
AGAIN FOR PUTTING IT INTO
DISTRICT. THAT WILL PUT IT INTO
FOCUS. I CAN SEE WHY
COUNCILMEMBER MORALES WAS
CONCERNED. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
JUAREZ. I WAS JUST THINKING IN
TERMS OF REFERRING TO OTHER
COMMITTEES LIKE POTENTIAL
HOUSING. WE WILL CHECK IN WITH
THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSING AND
HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE ON
THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT, IT'LL BE LIKE
THAT.
>> TWO COULD PLAY THAT GAME,
BUDDY.
>> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA HAS
JUMPED --
>> I KNOW.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> SORRY, CHAIR. THANK YOU. I
TOO WAS READING THROUGH SOME OF
IT HAD STUFF AND DID NOT QUICKLY
RAISE MY HAND, BUT THANK YOU FOR
INDULGING ME. I JUST WANTED TO
THANK YOU. THANK THE DEPARTMENT
FOR THE GREAT WORK. THIS IS A
CONVERSATION WHEN I FIRST
STARTED HERE EARLY LAST YEAR.
CHIEF AND I AND EVEN BEFORE I
STARTED IN THIS ROLE WHEN I WAS
IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THE
PRIOR MAYOR. CHIEF AND I HAD
TALKED ABOUT THIS AS AN ISSUE.
SO GLAD TO SEE THIS, YOU KNOW,
LAW, WE PUT INTO EFFECT LAST
YEAR HAS REALLY HELPED. YOU CAN
SEE THE DATA HERE HAS REALLY
HELPED THE DEPARTMENT BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS THIS ISSUE THAT IS WHAT
YOU CAN SEE VERY CLEARLY HERE.
IT'S ACROSS THE DISTRICT. SO
I'M GOING TO THANK YOU FOR
TAKING CARE OF D4 BECAUSE
THAT'S THE DISTRICT I'M
PRIVILEGED TO REPRESENT. I'M
ALWAYS SINGING PRAISES. SO JUST
REALLY WANTED TO ADD MY NOTE OF
GRATITUDE, AND I APPRECIATE THE
DATA BECAUSE IT SHOWS THIS HAS
BEEN AN ISSUE, AND THAT YOU ARE
ALL WORKING TO RESOLVE IT. SO
WITH THESE TOOLS THAT YOU HAVE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK
YOU, CHIEF. I SEE YOU BACK
THERE. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AGAIN,
I MADE MY POINT, PARTICULARLY AS
IT WILL GO TO THE WORK THAT
WE'RE DOING AND
COMPREHENSIVELY, SO THANK YOU,
AND CONTINUE THE HARD WORK.
PLEASE EXTEND OUR THANK YOUS
THROUGHOUT THE FIRE STATIONS AND
THE OFFICES WITHIN THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT, CLERK, WE WILL NOW MOVE
ON TO OUR THIRD ITEM OF
BUSINESS. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
READ ITEM 3 INTO THE RECORD?
>> CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
UPDATE ON NEW PUBLIC SAFETY
TOOLS.
>> OKAY. WE'LL BE JOINED BY
CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON, AND
DEPUTY MR. LINDSEY. AND OF
COURSE, MR. JOHNSON IS ALWAYS
WELCOME TO JOIN US AGAIN, NOT
NEEDED. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE
TO, MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO.
>> I WAS HOPING THERE WOULD BE
WATER HERE, SO I COULD GET SOME.
>> WELL, WELCOME AGAIN TO THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.
FOLLOWING UP ON PRESIDING JUDGE
CRAWFORD-WILLIS, TODAY'S
CRIMINAL JUSTICE DAY HERE AT THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, SO
THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON
AND MR. LINDSEY FOR JOINING US.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME
FOR THE RECORD, AND TEN HAD
START YOUR PRESENTATION? THANK
YOU.
>> THANK YOU, AGAIN FOR HAVING
ME. PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, I'M ANN DAVISON. I
HAVE SCOTT LINDSEY WITH ME. WE
ARE HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU A
MIRROR REFLECTION OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY LEGISLATIVE TOOLS THAT
YOU PUT IN ACTION. BUILDING UPON
WHAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH WITH
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND HOW NOW
OVER INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM, WHAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO
PLACE. TOOLS TO SUPPLEMENT AND
TO IMPROVE THAT AND CREATIVE
STRATEGIES. I APPRECIATE YOUR
SUPPORT ON THOSE THINGS. I
WANTED TO COME AND GIVE YOU ON
HOW THOSE THINGS ARE
PROGRESSING, SO YOU KNOW YOUR
WORK IS MEANINGFUL, MAKING A
DIFFERENCE AS YOU SAID EARLIER,
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA. WE'LL GO
THROUGH SOME ITEMS HERE. I JUST
HAVE THE FIRST PAGE. I HOPE THAT
COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ, WE HAVE
PAGE NUMBERS FOR YOU. I'M NOT
POSITIVE IF WE DO.
>> I SAW THAT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. SLIDE TWO.
>> AND SO YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP
ME. OKAY.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO WE WILL GO THROUGH THESE
ITEMS HERE, ONE BY ONE, JUST THE
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. I DON'T
THINK THAT I NEED TO REVIEW
THOSE FOR YOU. BUT I'LL GIVE
YOU SOME STATISTICS FOR US, SO
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THINGS
ARE IN THE MOMENT. AS EVERYONE
KNOWS, I TOOK OFFICE IN '22, SO
YOU CAN SEE A DIFFERENCE IN THE
DECLINE RATE THAT HAS BEEN ONE
OF MY MAIN THINGS THAT I WAS
FOCUSED ON, TO IMPROVE THAT, SO
WE ARE DECLINING LESS REFERRALS
FROM OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE OUT
THERE WHEN THEY DO DECIDE TO
MAKE ARRESTS AND REFERRALS,
WORKING ON A NUMBER OF SUPPORT,
THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ON OUR END,
IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN WE
BELIEVE WE COULD APPROVE THINGS
BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. AND
WHAT ALTERNATIVES CAN WE ALSO
HAVE? I APPRECIATE YOUR GREAT
EFFORT AS SEEING IT AS A SYSTEM
WIDE VIEW. I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL
JUST TEMPORARY SYSTEM HOLDERS.
WE ARE TRYING TO LEAVE IT IN A
BETTER FUNCTIONING CAPACITY THAN
WE FOUND IT. SO YOU CAN SEE OUR
MISDEMEANOR REFERRALS HAVE
STAYED AROUND 11,000 PER YEAR.
WE ARE JUST UNDER 3,000 OVER THE
SECOND QUARTER HERE. SO IT
STAYED ABOUT THE SAME, EVEN WITH
OUR CHANGE IN OFFICER, NUMBER OF
OFFICERS. BUT THE PIECE FOR
METTA HAD HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT
IS OUR TIME TO MAKE OUR DECISION
OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH
THE CASE, WHETHER WE'RE GOING
TO DECLINE IT, WHETHER WE'RE
GOING TO DIVERT IT, WHETHER
WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE IT. SO
RIGHT NOW, FOR THE END OF Q2 FOR
2025, WE'RE AT A MEDIAN TIME OF
EIGHT DAYS. THAT IS JUST A
SELF-IMPOSED RULE FOR MYSELF,
TRYING TO MAKE SURE I KEEP TRACK
OF OUR PRODUCTIVITY AND
UNDERSTANDING WHERE IN THE
SYSTEM THERE ARE DELAYS, SO I
COULD BETTER MAKE DECISIONS WITH
THE RESOURCES I HAVE TO MAKE
SURE IT HAD SYSTEM IS
FUNCTIONING WELL. WE'LL START
OVER WITH SOME OF WHICH YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH
PRESIDING JUDGE CRAWFORD-WILLIS,
RELATED TO THE ALTERNATIVE. BUT
ALSO JUST A DRUG PROSECUTION IN
GENERAL. SO IN OCTOBER OF 2023,
THE COUNCIL PUT IN OUR SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE IN RESPONSE TO
THE DECISION, THE USE OF
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES INTO OUR
CRIMINAL CODE. AND SO THAT IS
THE FLOW THAT'S HERE ON THE
LEFT. IF THERE IS AN ARREST,
THEN IF THE OFFICER DECIDES TO
DIVERT THAT TO LEAD THEMSELVES,
THEN THAT'S THE LEAD POLICY
THERE OF GIVING THEM 30 DAYS TO
TAKE INTAKE. WE MONITOR THOSE
CASES. WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE
CASES, BUT THEY ARE NOT WITHIN
OUR AUTHORITY UNLESS THEY ARE
SENT OVER TO US. SOME OF THE
CASES OFFICERS WOULD SEND IT TO
US, SO WE HAVE THOSE. WE FILE
THOSE. WE HAVE 258. THIS IS
SINCE OCTOBER OF 2023. THESE ARE
THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES SINCE
THE START OF THE DRUG USE AND
POSSESSION LAW FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN THE STATE'S HISTORY AT
THE MISDEMEANOR LEVEL. IT HAS
BEEN A FELONY BEFORE THAT
OCTOBER 23 CHANGE. SO THIS IS
THE FIRST TIME MUNICIPALITIES
ARE HAVING TO CONTEND AND
RESPOND TO AND SET UP TREATMENT
AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR USE AND
POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED
SUBSTANCES. SO RELATED TO THE
DRUG PROSECUTION ALTERNATIVE
THAT WE LAUNCHED AND CREATED, MY
CRIMINAL CHIEF DESIGNED AND VERY
HAPPY TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE, OF CHAIR
KETTLE, AND SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
COURT AND PUBLIC DEFENSE.
BECAUSE IT REALLY IS ABOUT
GETTING PEOPLE INTO TREATMENT,
WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE
UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING FOR
THAT INDIVIDUAL. HOWEVER, WE
CANNOT CONTINUE TO HAVE CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO
WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS BOTH.
WE SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT BE THE
SOLUTION FOR HOW THAT ALL TAKES
PLACE. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
DO IS HELP STREAMLINE THE
RESPONSE, THE SOCIETAL RESPONSE
IT PROVIDES, AND CLOSE AS MANY
SYSTEM GAPS AS POSSIBLE. SO
EARLIER THE PEOPLE WERE HERE TO
TALK ABOUT THE COURT RESOURCE
CENTER AND HOW THAT'S WORKING
AND FUNCTIONING. I'LL JUST NOTE
FOR THE NUMBER OF COURTROOMS
THOUGH, THERE HAS BEEN TWO
ACTIVE SINCE COVID. THEY HAVE
REMAINED TWO CENTS. WE HAVE BEEN
ASKING FOR A THIRD TO OPEN, BUT
THERE HAVE JUST BEEN THE TWO. SO
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS
IN THE DPA. @ IS STILL EARLY, AS
MR. SATTLER SAID EARLIER. WE
KEEP THAT DISCRETION WITH US,
WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN SAY THE
COMMUNITY COURT WAS, WHICH WAS
AN AUTOMATIC ROUTEING TO THAT
TYPE OF DIVERSION. I THINK THAT
IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE TAKING IN
OUR ROLE WITH DISCRETION TO
DECIDE IF WHAT TYPE OF A CASE
AND WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE IN THE
SPECIFICS FOR THAT PERSON? IS
THAT ALTERNATIVE WHAT WE SHOULD
BE OFFERING? WE DON'T WANT TO
DILUTE THE DIVERSION RESOURCES
WE HAVE. WE WANT IT TO BE
SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIFIC THAT
SOMEONE IS MORE LIKELY TO
RESPOND TO. THEN WE HOPE THAT WE
DON'T HAVE THEM AGAIN IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WE'LL
MOVE ON TO THE STAY OUT OF DRUG
AREAS. COUNCIL PASSED THIS IN
AUGUST OF 2024. WE HAVE THE
AREAS HERE NOTED FOR YOU, WHERE
THE ZONES ARE. THE NUMBER OF
ORDERS IN THERE. COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA, I'LL NOTE IN YOURS, WE
JUST DON'T HAVE ANY REFERRALS
FOR YOU THERE, BUT WE'RE
TRACKING THOSE, SO WE KNOW WHERE
THOSE ARE COMING FROM. WHAT IS
HAPPENING. SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS
TRYING TO USE A DIFFERENT WORD
THAN OPERATIONAL ASPECT OF THIS
COMING TO BE BECAUSE THEY TOOK
SOME TIME TO IMPLEMENT TRAINING,
ETC. SO NOW WE'RE SEEING IT ON
A MORE REGULAR BASIS. SOME OF
WHICH WE NOW HAVE SOME VIOLATION
OF ORDERS. MY HOPE IS THAT WE
DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF THOSE
BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING AND
PEOPLE ARE STAYING OUT OF THOSE
DRUG MARKETS BECAUSE AGAIN, THE
LEGISLATIVE INTENT WAS TO
DISRUPT THE OPEN AIR DRUG
MARKETS. SO I DON'T THINK THAT
WE'LL SEE A VIOLATION OF THEM.
IF WE JUST SEE LESS OF THE
ACTIVITY THEN THEY'RE WORKING.
BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE
NUMBERS OF THOSE FOR THAT. THE
NEXT WE'LL GO INTO THE STATE
AREA OF WHAT WAS ALSO PASSED AT
THE SAME TIME IN AUGUST OF 2024.
THIS IS FOR THE NORTH END
SPECIFICALLY. WE HAVE 32 ORDERS
TO DAY. MOST OF THOSE ARE FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO
PURCHASE WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL
EXPLOITATION SPACE. AND SOME OF
THEM ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
ACTUALLY BEEN IDENTIFIED AS
BEING INVOLVED IN TRAFFICKING,
AT LEAST ONE WITH SIGNIFICANT
MULTI-STATE TRAFFICKING. SO I
APPLAUD THIS COUNCIL FOR PUTTING
THIS INTO OUR SEATTLE LAW
BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY HELPING
OFFICERS TO ENGAGE WITH THIS
CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IN THE NORTH
END AND FIND THOSE THAT ARE
LOOKING TO COME HERE FROM ALL
OVER THE COUNTRY TO DO THIS TYPE
OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND TO MAKE
THE NORTH END NOTORIOUS FOR
THAT. I JUST GREATLY DISAGREE
WITH THAT. I'M VERY PROUD WE
HAVE THIS UP AND STANDING AND
WE'RE GETTING TO SHOW SOME
RESULTS FOR THAT. WE ALSO HAVE
THE POSSIBILITY OF AN ADDITIONAL
SUPPLEMENTAL TOOL IN THIS TOPIC
THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. SO WE
HOPE TO BRING THAT TO LIGHT FOR
EVERYBODY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AGAIN, STAYING FOCUSED ON THAT
TOPIC. NEXT WE'LL MOVE INTO THE
STREET RACING, WHICH IS NOT
DISTRICT SPECIFIC, BUT REALLY IS
SOMETHING THAT IS ALL OVER OUR
CITY. I HEARD ALL OVER THE CITY
AND EVERYONE'S DISTRICTS THAT
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
SIGNIFICANT FOR THEM BECAUSE
IT'S TERRORIZING. IT CAN BE SO
MANY PEOPLE AT ONCE, AND IT
DOESN'T SEEM TO BE
CONTROLLABLE. BUT I THINK THAT
YOU ARE PASSING THE STREET
RACING ORDINANCE HAS DETERRED A
LOT OF THIS. THIS IS WHERE WE
HAD ISSUED 19 STREET RACING
INFRACTION SO FAR, AND THE
MONETARY FINES THAT YOU ALL SET
WAS 500 FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE,
800 FOR THE SECOND. 1,500
THEREAFTER, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT
BECAUSE THIS PAST WEEKEND, OUR
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS
ABLE TO DISRUPT ONE THAT THEY
KNEW WAS COMING WITH CANADIAN
AND OTHER STATE PEOPLE COMING
HERE TO DO STREET RACING IN
SEATTLE. AND SO WITH IT TOOL AND
THE RESPONSIVENESS OF OUR POLICE
DEPARTMENT THAT WAS ABLE TO DID
DISRUPTED. WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP
NEIGHBORHOODS SAFER. SO I THINK
THAT'S A TREMENDOUS THING
BECAUSE IF THEY WERE TO GET THE
FIRST AND SECOND AND THEN THE
THIRD, THE SUBSEQUENT ONES WILL
STARTS TO BECOME A HEFTY FINE
FOR THEM. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE
YOU AND YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT
SPACE. COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA, I
REMEMBER THIS IS ONE FOR YOU.
REALLY IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
WHERE CAN WE MAKE THE MOST
IMPROVEMENT FOR THE MOST PEOPLE
IN PUBLIC SAFETY, IT IS IN ROAD
SAFETY, SO I REALLY DO
APPRECIATE THIS ONE A LOT. NEXT
I'LL TALK ABOUT GRAFFITI, WHICH
IS ALSO A TOPIC THAT SADLY I
THINK ALL OF YOU HEAR ABOUT AS
DO I. WHERE WE SEE OTHER CITIES
THAT DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THE
DIFFICULTIES WE DO ON TOPIC.
WE'RE TRYING TO USE ALL TYPES
OF CREATIVE TOOLS TO DEAL WITH
IT. WE'LL DO CRIMINAL
PROSECUTION WHEN WE HAVE THE
EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT. BUT
THIS ALTERNATIVE ALLOWS ME TO
PURSUE CIVIL LITIGATION. SO WE
WILL BE WORKING ON THAT. WE HAVE
SOME COMING IN THE VERY
IMMEDIATE FUTURE. THIS WAS
PASSED IN JULY OF 2024. OH, I'M
SORRY, I NOW MOVED ON. WE PASSED
THIS IN AUGUST, THAT'S RIGHT. I
HAVE MY DIFFERENT PAGE HERE THAT
I'M THINKING. SO FOCUSING ON
THE VIOLATIONS FOR THESE PEOPLE,
$1,500 PENALTY PER TAG THAT WE
COULD ASSOCIATE WITH THAT
TAGGER. SO WE HAVE SOME LAWSUITS
THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY SEEING IN
PREPARATION, THAT HOPEFULLY
WE'LL BE FILING IN THE VERY
NEAR FUTURE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO
THIS LAW THAT YOU PUT INTO
PLACE, SO WE CAN SHOW THE PUBLIC
WE WILL HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.
THEY CAN CHOOSE TO DO SOME OF
THE CLEANUP THEMSELVES. THEY CAN
PAY THE FINE. BUT THE CHOICE IS
THEIRS. THEY ALSO HAVE THE FREE
CHOICE TO SIMPLY NOT COMMIT. AND
THE LAST ONE THAT I WANTED TO
REVIEW WITH YOU ALL IS THE
UPDATE. I'VE GIVEN YOU A MAP
HERE. THE ONES ON THE LEFT, THE
EMERALD IN SEATTLE, THEY WERE
PLACES WE WERE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN
AND GET INTO COLLECTIVE
AGREEMENTS, PRIOR TO THE CHANGE
OF THE CHRONIC NUANCE LAW THAT
YOU ALL DID, BUT THEY WERE
RELATED TO A LOT OF SEX
TRAFFICKING IN THE NORTH END
AGAIN AROUND PROSTITUTION THAT
WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS. WE WERE
ABLE TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR OF
THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WERE
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TYPE OF
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND OTHERS IN
THE NORTH END. THE THREE
LOCATIONS ON THE RIGHT, WE'RE
SEEING SOME GUN VIOLENCE AND
HOMICIDE PRIOR TO THE LAW BEING
ENACTED. THE URBAN ONE IS THE
ONE THAT HELPED INFORM US OF THE
LEGISLATION CHANGES THAT WE
NEEDED BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE
INCIDENTS HAPPENED OFF THE
PROPERTY. THIS HELPED MODERNIZE
THAT LAW FOR US, SO WE CAN BE
MORE RESPONSIVE, MORE TIMELY
WHEN THERE IS ASSOCIATED GUN
ACTIVITY OR OTHER SERIOUS
CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED
WITH THE BUSINESS. IT'S BEEN A
SIGNIFICANT PIECE. THAT'S WITH
THE AFTERHOURS LEGISLATION THAT
WE PASSED RELATED TO GUN
VIOLENCE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO
SHUT DOWN VENUES IN THE 2:00 TO
6:00 A.M. TIME PERIOD, BUT WE'RE
WANTING TO REGULATE THEM TO MAKE
SURE THEY'RE SAFER. WE HAVE THE
TOOLS WITH THE CHRONIC NUANCE
PIECE THAT YOU ALL UPDATED TO
TAKE ACTION VERY QUICKLY. THE
MOST RECENT OF THOSE WAS THIS
PASSED JULY WHEN CHIEF BARNES
SENT A CHRONIC NEWSLETTER TO THE
MOTEL NORTH AURORA WITH
SIGNIFICANT HUMAN TRAFFICKING
GOING ON, SEX TRAFFICKING GOING
ON, DRUG ACTIVITY IN THE NORTH
END. SO THESE ARE VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT TOOLS, PARTICULARLY
THESE LAST TWO THAT WE'RE USING
TO HELP NEIGHBORHOODS BE SAFER.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DEPEND
UPON THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT
CAN RESPOND AFTER A CRIME HAS
OCCURRED. THIS IS PROACTIVELY
WHERE WE COULD USE DATA TO SEE
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE
EXPLOITING COMMERCIAL ZONES AND
USING THAT FOR THEIR OWN
CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. WE WANT TO
DISRUPT THOSE TO HELP MAKE
NEIGHBORHOODS SAFER. THOSE ARE
THE UPDATES I HAVE FOR YOU ON A
LOT OF TOPICS. HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT
HAVE.
>> CITY ATTORNEY, THANK YOU SO
MUCH. AGAIN, WELCOME TO MR.
LINDSEY AS WELL. REALLY
APPRECIATE THE BRIEFING AND THE
TIE INS WITH BOTH PREVIOUS
BRIEFINGS AND WITH PRESIDING
JUDGE CRAWFORD-WILLIS, THE
PERSPECTIVE THAT SHE AND MR.
SATTLER BROUGHT. BUT AS THEY
TURN OUT WITH THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT AND BECAUSE OF THE
TECH UPDATES AND THE TECHNICAL
UPDATES FOR THEIRS, WHICH IS
THAT FIRST BUILD FOR THE
DANGEROUS ABATEMENT BILL. IT'S
TEEING UP, YOU KNOW, THIS REVIEW
OF ALL THE DIFFERENT BILLS AND
THE IMPACT. YOU CAN SEE WITH
YOUR GRAPHICS HOW THEY CAN BE
INTERTWINED, LIKE, YOU KNOW,
CHRONIC NUANCE PROPERTY. AND SO
THAT IS ALL PLANNED PERFECTLY,
BY THE WAY. THANK YOU, MR.
CLERK.
>> WELL DONE.
>> AND THE TEAM FOR THAT. AS
USUAL, I START WITH, WELL, I
ALSO SHOULD NOTE THAT COUNCIL
PRESIDENT NELSON HAS JOINED US.
I ALWAYS GO TO MY VICE CHAIR, SO
VICE CHAIR SAKA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU
CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION TODAY. THANK YOU,
MR. LINDSEY, FOR BEING HERE AS
WELL. APPRECIATE THE UPDATE IF
MANY YOUR COLLABORATION AND
HELPING OUR CITY IMPLEMENT SOME
OF THE KEY LEGISLATIVE PIECES
THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED IN THE
LAST FEW YEARS. KIND OF SHARING
THE PROGRESS AND SORT OF WHERE
WE ARE AT. OTHER ITEMS ON THE
LIST, ONE OF THE STRATEGIC
INITIATIVES THAT REMAINS, YOU
KNOW, ONE OF THE HIGHEST
PRIORITIES AND THE LEGISLATION.
SO GOING BACK TO YOUR SLIDE
SEVEN THERE, REALLY APPRECIATE
THE DATA UNDERLINING THAT IN
TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THAT NUMBER
OF INFRACTIONS, THEY'RE LISTED,
BROKEN OUT BY THE OFFENSE
CATEGORY. IS THAT FROM JULY 2024
THROUGH PRESENT? SO LIKE
SEPTEMBER?
>> YES.
>> OKAY. AND SO FOR THAT ONE,
YOUR OFFICES OBVIOUSLY HEAVILY
RELIANT ON A NUMBER OF, YOU
KNOW, COUNTERPARTS, PARTNERS TO
HELP DO THE JOB HERE. ACROSS THE
BOARD WITH ALL THESE, BUT YOU
KNOW, THIS IS THE EXAMPLE. SO IN
THIS CASE, THERE ARE
DEPENDENCIES UPON THE SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IN TERMS
OF THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, I
GUESS, YEAR NOW FOR THIS BILL IN
PARTICULAR. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT ARE WORKING WELL? IS
THERE ANY POTENTIAL
OPPORTUNITIES FOR FURTHER
ENHANCEMENTS? YOU KNOW, TO MAKE
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS
INITIATIVE, LIKE A LITTLE MORE
SEEMLESS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE?
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? IS IT
MAYBE TOO EARLY TO TELL? WHAT
ARE YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS ON
THAT?
>> I THINK YOUR WORK ON IT IS
SIGNIFICANT AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTING
WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO DISRUPT
ONE. I THINK THE CLEAR MESSAGE
THEY SENT, THIS WAS A PRIORITY
FOR ALL OF YOU AND ALL OF YOUR
DISTRICTS. SO RESOURCES WERE
USED TO MAKE SURE THEY
DISRUPTED, THINKING THEY COULD
COME HERE. AGAIN, TRY TO BE SOME
FORM OF CELEBRITY CRIMINAL AND
PUT THEIR STREET RACING ON THEIR
SOCIAL MEDIA, WHATEVER, CHOSEN
PLATFORM. AND HAVE OUR CITY
SKYLINE IN THE BACKGROUND. TO
HELP DETER US HAVING A
REPUTATION OF THAT OF
LAWLESSNESS OF A CITY THAT IS
NOT WELL GOVERNED OF ONE THAT
PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT A PRIORITY.
YOU HAVE HELPED TO CHANGE THAT
REPUTATION. SO I THINK THAT WAS
INSTRUMENTAL. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT WE SEE THE PREDOMINANT
NUMBER OF FIRST INFRACTIONS IS
16. IT IS A VERY SMALL NUMBER
FOR A SECOND AND THIRD OFFENSE.
I'M HOPING THAT MEANS THE FIRST
ONE IS A DETERRENT. WE'RE NOT
SEEING A LOT OF SECOND AND THIRD
ONES. BUT IF WE DO, THEN WE'LL
GO THERE WITH THEM. WE WILL
CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNTIL THE
PERSON GETS THE MESSAGE. SO I
THINK THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT
PIECE. I'LL SEE IF SCOTT HAS
ANY ADDITIONAL PIECES THAT HE
WANTS TO ADD IN FOR THAT?
>> YEAH, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SEATTLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THIS.
NUMBER ONE, CONTINUING TO
EMPHASIZE TRAINING FOR OFFICERS.
THIS IS A RELATIVELY NICHE AND
SPECIFIC TOOL. YOU KNOW, STREET
RACING IS AN EVERYDAY CRIME THAT
WE WOULD SEE. BUT REALLY
TRAINING OFFICERS ON HOW TO USE
THIS, HOW TO GET THESE REPORTS.
HOW TO GET THESE FILED. SECOND
IS USING TECHNOLOGY. I THINK YOU
GUYS ARE ADDRESSING THAT IN PART
TODAY AS WELL. BUT TECHNOLOGY IS
REALLY KEY TO CAPTURING THE
INFORMATION, TO BE ABLE TO USE
THESE. THEN ANALYZING THAT TO
ISSUE TICKETS. THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT. THIRD IS A CHALLENGE,
WHICH IS SOME OF THE STREET
RACES ARE GENERALLY BEING
DETERRED. WE ARE SEEING SOME
IMPACT IN REDUCTION AND THE
AMOUNT OF STREET RACING ACTIVITY
SPECIFIC TO SEATTLE, THEM GOING
TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS. BUT SOME
ARE ALSO EVOLVING BY STRIPPING
THEIR PLATES OFF, PUTTING THEM
IN THEIR TRUNKS BEFORE THEY GET
TO SEATTLE. BEFORE THEY HEAD
INTO THESE EVENTS. THESE TOOLS
ARE THERE TO ISSUE THE TICKET TO
THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE
VEHICLE BASED ON THE
IDENTIFICATION OF THE PLATE. SO
IF THEY STRIP THEIR PLATE OFF,
THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE'LL
FACE. SO THERE ARE WAYS TO GET
AROUND THAT, INCLUDING MORE
COOPERATION WITH OTHER
JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING
BELLEVUE, KENT, KIRKLAND, OTHER
PLACES THAT SOMETIMES HAVE
ALREADY I.D.'D SOME OF THOSE
CARS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC
CUSTOMIZATIONS OF PARTICULAR
SPOILER, OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT
BE RECOGNIZED. WE MIGHT KNOW
THAT VEHICLE FROM SOMEWHERE
ELSE. KNOW THE PLATE NUMBER, BUT
SPD WON'T HAVE THAT I.D. THE
FOLKS INVOLVED ARE TRYING TO
EVOLVE TO EVADE IT SPECIFIC
INFRACTION RIGHT NOW.
>> YEAH. VERY HELPFUL AND THANK
YOU, AGAIN. AGAIN, JUST WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THE ISSUE OF, YOU
KNOW, ANTI-STREET RACING
LEGISLATION AND INITIATIVES IS
REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. BECAUSE
IT IS IMPORTANT TO MY
CONSTITUENTS. IN MY DISTRICT IN
PARTICULAR, THERE'S BEEN A FEW
DESIGN CHANGES TO THE ROAD ALONG
SOME PROBLEM AREAS. I THINK THEY
HAVE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS TO
ADDRESS THE STREET RACING
PROBLEM IN PARTICULAR. HOWEVER,
IT DOESN'T PREVENT PEOPLE STILL
FROM GATHERING, THEN PLAYING
THEIR MUSIC LOUD INTO THE NIGHTS
AND LOUD AND EXCESSIVE NOISES,
TRAUMATIZING PEOPLE, 2:00, 3:00
A.M. DOESN'T PREVENT THOSE
DESIGNS OR THOSE SPEED HUMPS.
THEY DON'T PREVENT PEOPLE FROM
DOING DONUTS. NO DIFFERENT THAN
WHAT WE WOULD SEE DEPICTED THERE
ON SLIDE SEVEN. CHECK THEM OUT.
YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THAT ALL
OVER. BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE
PROBLEM OF THE STREET RACING,
THESE KINDS OF DESIGN CHANGES
ARE SMART. ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS
HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE ACROSS
OUR CITY, AS WE NEED TO PAIR
THAT WITH MORE INVESTMENT AND
MORE EMPOWERMENT FOR THE
DEPARTMENTS AND MORE
LEGISLATION, WHERE WE NEED TO
BECAUSE OF CONSTITUENTS, THEY
WILL REMAIN CONCERNED. I KNOW
FOR COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA FOR
CLARITY, I KNOW IN YOUR
DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE
RELATED CHALLENGES WITH RACING,
NOISE, EXCESSIVE NOISE, AND
TRAUMATIZING THAT WILL REMAIN AN
ISSUE FOR YOU. WE NEED THE STATE
OF ACT OR AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT
TECHNOLOGY FOR SOUNDS,
SPECIFICALLY FOR SOUNDS. BUT I
APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION
TODAY, CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON.
AND THEN ALSO I WANT TO ECHO THE
SENTIMENT EXPRESSED BY OUR
COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ
EARLIER. IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A
NIT, AND I SUPPOSE IN THE GRAND
SCHEME OF THINGS T IS A NIT. BUT
THESE PESKY SLIDE NUMBERS ARE
VERY IMPORTANT, AND HELP US
QUITE LITERALLY TO ENSURE WE'RE
ALL READING FROM THE SAME THING.
SO THE ONLY PRESENTATION THAT
HAS INCLUDED THAT OUT OF THE
THREE TODAY, SO THANK YOU. VERY
HELPFUL.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, VICE
CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE
ONTO COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
>> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU VERY
MUCH CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON FOR
THIS PRESENTATION TODAY OF THESE
NEW PUBLIC SAFETY TOOLS THAT
THIS COUNCIL HAS PUT FORWARD. I
THINK IT'S REALLY CLEAR THAT WE
PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY. WE ARE
ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OTHER TOOLS
AND METHODS FOR IMPROVING IT.
MANY OF THESE BILLS WERE
INITIATED BY USE, SO THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. YOU KNOW, I CAN -- SO
GIVEN THIS IS OUR PRIORITY. I DO
HAVE TO SAY WE ARE OFTEN ACCUSED
OF PASSING LAWS THAT DON'T
WORK. SOAP DOESN'T WORK. SO MY
QUESTION TO YOU, WHAT COULD BE
THE -- WHAT COULD IMPROVE THE
PERFORMANCE OF THOSE NEW TOOLS
FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVES? WE'RE
NOT THE BOSS OF THE POLICE.
WE'VE DONE OUR JOBS AND PASSED
THE LAW. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING
WE'RE MISSING HERE?
>> WELL, ON THESE SPECIFIC ONES
YOU'RE ASKING?
>> YES, THOSE TWO, AND THEN I
HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ANOTHER
ONE.
>> I THINK IT IS JUST CONTINUING
TO MAKE SURE THE POLICE
UNDERSTAND PRIORITIES, WHICH IS,
AGAIN, WHY I THINK THIS PAST
WEEKEND WITH THE DISRUPTION OF
THE STREET TAKEOVER. THE
PRIORITIES OF THE PEOPLE, OUR
LEADERS HAS BEEN CLEAR. STREET
RACING IS SIGNIFICANT. I'M
FULLY COMMITTED TO THAT WITH YOU
AS I PURSUE HAVING TO SHUT DOWN
THE COUNCIL MEMBER KETTLE'S
DISTRICT HERE DOWNTOWN. WE USED
EVERY TOOL WE NEEDED TO FROM THE
CIVIL SIDE OF THINGS TO THE
CRIMINAL SIDE OF THINGS. THAT
TYPE OF CONSISTENT AND LETTING
THE POLICY UNFOLD FULLY, SO WE
COULD SEE IT, IT ACTUALLY DOES
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM THAT WE ARE
ASKED TO HELP IMPROVE BY
NEIGHBORHOODS. IT HAS BEEN A
SIGNIFICANT PIECE. SO A LOT OF
WHEN I LOOK AT, WHAT I KEEP
TRACK OF WHAT I COULD CONTROL
FOR ME, SOMETIMES IT REALLY IS A
PERSON THAT IS OUT ON THE FAMILY
LEAVE. I HAVE THE INABILITY TO
CONTINUE TO DO SOMETHING. IT IS
THAT LITERAL THAT WE'RE HOLDING
SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS AND THINGS
TOGETHER. I GUESS FOR ME, IT
SOUNDS LIKE NON-RESPONSIVE TO
YOUR QUESTION. BUT WE SHOULD NOT
BE IN THE SPACE, WHERE WE ARE
HAVING TO, FROM THE BUDGET
STANDPOINT FOR RESOURCES WHERE
YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR
PRIORITIZATION FOR SPENDING
PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE LOCAL
LEVEL. WE UNDERSTAND, YOU
UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE
BECAUSE YOU HEAR FROM
CONSTITUENTS. WE SHOULD BE THE
ONES THAT ARE BEING RESPONSIVE
TO PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE YOU
IMPLEMENTED THESE TOOLS, THEN
YOU HELP BUILD THE SYSTEM THAT
WILL RESPOND TO IT, SO WE COULD
ADEQUATELY SHOW THE IMPROVEMENT
IN THOSE AREAS FOR YOU. MAYBE
NON-RESPONSIVE. BUT I FEEL
THAT'S WHAT MY FOCUS IS. WE
HAVE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE, THE
RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY THEN
FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE LAWS.
THESE LAWS BEING ON PAPER AND
PEOPLE DOING THE WORK, IT WON'T
SHOW UP IF WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING
THROUGH ON THE WORK, SO WE CAN
COME BACK LIKE WE DID HERE TO BE
THAT REFLECTION TO YOU OF WHAT
TOOLS YOU PUT IN PLACE AND HOW
THEY HAVE IMPROVED THE
SITUATION.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK I
SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR HEAR
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION.
YOU KNOW, WE PASS THE LAWS AND
THE EXECUTIVE IMPLEMENTS, THE
CITY ATTORNEY THEN PROCEEDS WITH
CASES. MY RELATED QUESTION HAS
TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION ON
SLIDE FOUR. THIS IS THE DRUG
PROSECUTION AND ALTERNATIVE.
I'M WONDERING IF -- I'LL JUST
SAY IT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
OR DO YOU KNOW THE TOP CATEGORY
THERE, SUSPECT CAUGHT VIOLATING
DRUG LAWS. THAT BOX DOES NOT
HAVE A NUMBER AFTER IT, BUT WE
DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, 220 INTAKES
WERE COMPLETED, AND THEN 258
CASES WERE FILED. BUT WHAT IS
THAT TOP NUMBER?
>> I DO NOT KNOW THAT NUMBER,
YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT COULD BE
MAYBE AN ARREST WASN'T MADE.
MAYBE THERE WAS AN INTERACTION
WITH AN OFFICER, BUT A DECISION
WAS NOT MADE TO ARREST. OR MAYBE
IT WAS AN ARREST AND THEN
RELEASE AT OUR PRECINCT STATION.
SO I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA, BUT
I JUST HAVE IT AFTER IT GOES OUT
FROM SEATTLE POLICE.
>> IF I MIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE
THE SPECIFIC DATA IN FRONT OF
US, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO
SAY IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER
THAN THE SUM OF THESE TWO PARTS.
IT WOULD BE OVER A THOUSAND.
>> GOT IT. THAT GETS TO THE
IMPLEMENTATION PART THAT I'M
WONDERING ABOUT. IN MY MIND,
ARREST, WHICH DON'T NECESSARILY
RESULT IN GOING TO THE PRECINCT.
AN ARREST IS A PATHWAY TO
TREATMENT. IT'S A PATHWAY TO
ALSO THE ALTERNATIVE FORM OF --
WELL, THE ALTERNATIVE TO
INCARCERATION, WHICH IS AN
ORDER. IF WE'RE NOT MAKING
THOSE STOPS TO ADDRESS PUBLIC
DRUG USE, TEN PEOPLE DON'T GET
INTO THE SYSTEMS, SO THE
DOWNSTREAM TOOLS WE'VE PROVIDED
CAN BE RELEVANT OR CAN WORK IN
THE WHOLE PACKAGE OF THE STEPS.
SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT?
>> IT IS, IN MY OPINION, IT
SHOULD BE THE LAST RED FLAG FOR
SOCIETY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING
GOING ON WITH THAT PERSON. SO
REALLY THE INTERVENTION OF
POLICE, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
SOMEBODY ELSE LONG BEFORE THEM,
BUT NOW WE'RE IN THE SPACE
WHERE THERE IS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
GOING ON. WE SHOULD NOT LET IT
CONTINUE. SO THERE SHOULD BE AN
INTERVENTION, I THINK, BY
POLICE, SO THEN IT GETS INTO THE
SYSTEM. WE CAN THEN FIGURE OUT
HOW TO GET SOMEBODY INTO
TREATMENT AND RECOVERY, STOP THE
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, AND THEN STOP
USING A LOT OF OTHER RESOURCES
AT THE SAME SPACE ON THE SAME
PERSON BECAUSE WE'RE SIMPLY NOT
DOING ANYTHING. SO I DO SEE THE
ARREST AS AN IMPORTANT PIECE
BECAUSE THEN WE'RE AWARE OF
THAT WHETHER IT BE LEAD OR US,
BUT AT LEAST WE'RE HEADING INTO
A PLACE WHERE IT GOES INTO
SOMETHING OTHER THAN LEAVING IT
OUT IN PUBLIC AND UNADDRESSED.
>> THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THE PAST,
WE DID TRY TO CONFORM THE STATE
LAW THAT MADE PUBLIC DRUG USE
AND POSSESSION A GROSS
MISDEMEANOR, BUT WE DIDN'T QUITE
FULLY COMPLY TO THE LETTER OF
THE LAW. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS
IS SUBSTANTIATED IN DATA, BUT I
WOULD HOPE THE ADDED BURDEN OF
HAVING TO SUBSTANTIATE THE
PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE IS A
THREAT OF HARM TO OTHERS IS
PRESENT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT
STOP. I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE
THE BARRIER FOR HELPING PEOPLE
GET INTO TREATMENT. WE TALKED
ABOUT FIXING THAT, BUT THE POINT
IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR LAWS
ARE SUPPORTING THE POLICY
DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO GO, SO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
INFORMATION.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT. BEFORE GOING TO
COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA, I WANT TO
CHECK WITH MY LAST COMMITTEE
MEMBER, COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, IF
SHE HAD ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I THINK SHE HAD TO GO AND IS
ON THE PHONE.
>> OKAY. WELL, WE CAN COME BACK
TO COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ. SO WE
WILL MOVE TO COUNCILMEMBER
RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK
YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. YOU
KNOW, TO PICK UP ALONG WITH
COUNCILMEMBER PRESIDENT WAS
SAYING AND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING,
CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON. YOU KNOW,
THIS TOOL IS A DISRUPTION. THEN
WHEN YOU DO THE DISRUPTION, YOU
CAN WORK WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY
TO TRY TO GET SOME TREATMENT,
WHICH IS REALLY THE ULTIMATE
GOAL WHEN FOLKS ARE USING, YOU
KNOW, DRUGS. SO TO ME, THAT'S
WHAT ALSO THESE TOOLS PROVIDE IS
THAT DISRUPTION, WHICH THEN
PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET
THEM OUT OF THIS SYSTEM AND THEN
TO HELP, IF WE CAN, SO THAT IS
ANOTHER WAY I SEE THESE TOOLS. I
DO HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS. ON
SLIDE FIVE ON THE DRUG AREAS. I
NOTED THAT -- WELL, THIS IS ONLY
BEING TRACKED. WHEN WAS THIS
FIRST IMPLEMENTED? SO THIS IS A
SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE'RE
TRACKING THIS DATA?
>> THIS IS OVER THE PAST YEAR.
>> OVER THE PAST YEAR, OKAY. SO
THE ONE THING I'LL NOTE ABOUT
UNIVERSITY DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH
WITH ZERO HERE. I KNOW THERE'S
BEEN A NUMBER OF OR AT LEAST I
KNOW OF, THREE TO FOUR DRUG
DEALING ARRESTS THAT HAVE
HAPPENED IN THE U DISTRICT. I
JUST WANTED TO SEE IF ANYONE IS
WATCHING FOR THE CONSTITUENTS
THAT I SERVE THAT THEY KNOW THAT
WORK IS HAPPENING IN THE
DISTRICT AND THAT ARRESTS ARE
BEING MADE. SO MAYBE THAT HAS
HELPED. THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK
MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO
WANT TO STATE THAT FOR THE
RECORD.
>> YES, CAN I INTERJECT? NO
REFERRALS HAVE BEEN SENT OVER TO
ME, SO THEREFORE NO SODA ORDER
HAS BEEN REQUESTED YET.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, I
DID WANT TO SAY NO ARRESTS HAVE
BEEN MADE, WHICH THAT IS
HAPPENING. WORK IS HAPPENING IN
THIS SPACE, IN THE DISTRICT. AND
THEN I SHOULD HAVE STARTED BY
SAYING THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE
THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE OFTEN,
YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOOD
GOVERNANCE TO ME. I KNOW CHAIR
KETTLE HAS SAID THAT ALSO AND
COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA, I SAID IT
MANY TIMES AS WELL. WHEN WE USE
A TOOL OR START A PROGRAM OR DO
A PILOT, WE NEED TO COME BACK
AND GET INFORMATION. IT'S GOOD
GOVERNANCE TO LOOK AT HOW WELL
THAT'S WORKING. YOU ASKED ABOUT
IF THERE ARE ANY TWEAKS NEEDED
TO THE STREET RACING LAWS OR
ANYTHING. THIS IS IMPORTANT AND
IT IS GOOD GOVERNANCE. I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING HERE
TO GIVE US THIS INFORMATION. ON
THE STREET RACING PART, I'LL SAY
AS OF LATE, I HAVE NOT HEARD
ABOUT STREET RACING THOUGH I
WENT OUT THERE AND I SAW DONUTS
LAST YEAR, SO I DON'T KNOW
WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR LAW HAS
HAD AN IMPACT ON THE STREET
RACING. BUT I HAVE NOT GOTTEN
E-MAILS PARTICULAR TO THE STREET
RACING NOW, SPEEDING IS
HAPPENING, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE
PARK, SO THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE.
AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
DISTRICT, AND THAT IS SOMETHING
I'M ADDRESSING WITH SDOT
BECAUSE I LOOK TO THEM
IMPLEMENTING MITIGATION EFFORTS
THAT WILL CUT BACK ON THE
SPEEDING, WHICH IS AN ISSUE. BUT
OBVIOUSLY NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS
CONVERSATION TODAY, BUT JUST TO
SAY AGAIN, IF CONSTITUENTS ARE
WATCHING, I KNOW ABOUT THE
SPEEDING AND I'M WORKING WITH
SDOT TO TRY TO GET THEM TO DO
SOME MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR
THAT. SO THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO
SAY ABOUT THAT SODA AND ABOUT
THE STREET RACING. THEN ON SLIDE
SIX AND CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR
INDULGING ME ON A COUPLE MORE
POINTS, WHICH IS ON THE PIECE. I
UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT
PERHAPS NEED TO BE CORRECTING OR
SOME RESOLUTION WHEN THE SOAP
WAS FIRST PUT IN PLACE. CAN YOU
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I
SUSPECT THIS DATA, WE DON'T HAVE
THIS MUCH DATA?
>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE
CHALLENGES, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN
ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES. THE AREA
OF PROSECUTION ORDERS, WHICH CAN
APPLY TO EITHER BUYERS OR OTHER
TRAFFICKERS. WE ALSO PASSED THE
PROMOTION OF PROSECUTION
LOITERING BILL. THERE'S BEEN
CHALLENGES WITH SPD BEING ABLE
TO ENFORCE THAT BILL. THAT PIECE
OF IT HAS BEEN COMPLICATED.
>> I THOUGHT THERE WERE ALSO
CHALLENGES WITH KING COUNTY WHEN
FOLKS WEREN'T NECESSARILY, THEY
WEREN'T.
>> AND LET ME SPEAK TO THAT.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS TWO THINGS.
WHEN THEY WERE ARRESTED AS PART
OF THE OPERATION. AND VERY OFTEN
RELEASED, PRE-RELEASED BY THE
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT THAT
THEY CALL THEM THE PR SCREENERS.
IN ADVANCE OF THEM SEEING A
JUDGE IN THEIR FIRST APPEARANCE,
USUALLY AT 9:00 A.M. THE NEXT
MORNING. AS A RESULT, THE CITY
OFFICE IS TO REQUEST THE SOAP
ORDER AT THAT FIRST APPEARANCE
ORDER. JUDGE GRANTS IT AND THE
PERSON RECEIVES THE NOTICE AT
THAT POINT, BUT THAT PERSON
WOULD HAVE BEEN RELEASED AT 7:00
A.M., SO WE WORK WITH THEM TO
GET THEM TO STOP DOING THE
RELEASE ON THOSE FOLKS. AND IN
FACT, THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
COURT HAS ANNOUNCED THEY'RE
SHUTTING DOWN THE PR SCREENING
PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT ONLY
IMPACTED A SMALL FRACTION OF ALL
THE DEFENDANTS THAT WERE COMING
THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
>> AND THEREBY ALLOW YOU THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ISSUE MORE ORDERS
TO THOSE BUYERS? AND TO CLARIFY.
THIS LAW IS BEING USED FOR
BUYERS AND PROMOTERS, NOT FOR
THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DOING
THIS?
>> CORRECT.
>> WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE
BECAUSE SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU,
CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON. BUT LAST
YEAR WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US,
THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT PIECE.
PEOPLE WERE VERY CONCERNED THAT
WE WOULD BE USING THIS AGAINST
THE WOMEN AND INDIVIDUALS THAT
WERE BEING EXPLOITED. THIS IS
NOT THE CASE AND THIS HAS NOT
BEEN USED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT NORTH PRECINCT
HAS WORKED WITH, YOU KNOW,
COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT ARE
HELPING THE WOMEN AND THE
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GETTING
EXPLOITED IN THAT SENSE, BUT
THEY ARE NOT BEING ISSUED. SO I
WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT WITH YOU
AND STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD
THAT IS NOT BEING USED AGAINST
THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE
TRYING TO PROTECT.
>> I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU
MAKING THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE
THEY WILL PROVIDE AN
OPPORTUNITY, SO WE CAN SEND THEM
OVER TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW
STANDING UP, SERVICES IN THE
NORTH END TO BE RESPONSIVE IN
REAL TIME TO GIVE PEOPLE SAFE
HOUSING FOR PREDOMINANTLY WOMEN
AND GIRLS WHO ARE BEING
TRAFFICKED IN THAT WAY. BUT THIS
IS TO RESPOND TO THE CRIMINAL
ENTERPRISE OF PEOPLE LOOKING TO
PROFIT HERE LITERALLY OFF THE
BACKS OF OTHER HUMANS, AND WE
ARE GOING TO NOT HAVE THAT
HAPPEN IN THE NORTH END. SO
AGAIN, A GAP IN PROCEDURE WAS
CAUSING PEOPLE TO NOT BE
KNOWLEDGEABLE THAT THEY WERE
UNDER THE STAY OUT OF THE AREA
PROSTITUTION. SO IF THEY WERE
FOUND THERE AGAIN, WE WOULD NOT
BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT NEW
CRIMINAL LAW VIOLATION. BY
CLOSING THE PROCEDURAL GAP WITH
OUR PARTNERS AT SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL COURT. NOW THOSE
PEOPLE WERE RELEASED, THEY'RE
AWARE THEY'RE UNDER THAT SOAP
ORDER. IF THEY ARE SEEN THERE
AGAIN, THEY ARE NOW BE FOUND
GUILTY, BUT THE OTHER CRIMINAL
VIOLATION BECAUSE WE WANT TO
DISRUPT THAT MARKET UP THERE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, I THINK I SAID
KING COUNTY, BUT I MEANT SMC,
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT. AND THE
LAST POINT, CHAIR, I'LL MAKE IS
JUST YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANOTHER
DISRUPTION TOOL TO BE ABLE TO
HELP THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING
EXPLOITED AND REALLY HELD
ACCOUNTABLE THOSE BUYERS AND
PROMOTERS WHO ARE CAUSING THE
HARM.
>> YES. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
RIVERA. BEFORE GOING BACK TO
COUNCIL PRESIDENT NELSON, I SEE
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ.
COUNCILMEMBER JUAREZ, DID YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I JUST HAD A QUICK ONE FOR
CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON. HOW LONG
ARE THE ORDERS? DO THEY GO AS
LONG AS THE THIRD? I'M TRYING
TO GET A SENSE OF IT THERE IF
IT'S A MISDEMEANOR? I'M
GUESSING ONE YEAR? IF THEY GO
FOR A YEAR AND YOU HAVE 24
ACTIVE, THREE HAVE EXPIRED.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THREE
EXPIRED BECAUSE OF AUGUST. THIS
WAS PASSED IN AUGUST OF 2024?
>> APPROXIMATELY.
>> YEAH.
>> OKAY. SO THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING.
>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT?
>> I SHOULD CLARIFY. IN SOME
INSTANCES INCLUDING, I THINK AT
LEAST ONE OR TWO OF THOSE
EXPIRED ORDERS FOR WHATEVER
REASON THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
COURT ORDERED A SHORTER
DURATION. SO THE STANDARD IS THE
REQUEST, 12 MONTHS IN SOME
CASES, REQUEST 24 MONTHS BECAUSE
WE HAVE UP TO 24 MONTHS. BUT IN
SOME CASES, THERE'S BEEN 30 IN
60 DAYS ORDERED.
>> OH, OKAY. SO YOU HAVE THE
LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO GO 24
MONTHS FROM THE TIME THEY PLAY
GUILTY OR ARE FOUND GUILTY?
>> CORRECT.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT?
>> SCOTT, I THINK YOU HIT THE
NAIL IN THE HEAD WHEN YOU SAID
ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES. WE CAN
TAKE THIS OFFLINE. BUT AGAIN,
YOU KNOW, WE PASSED THE LAW AS
THE EXECUTIVE IMPLEMENT AND
FORCES, ETC. AND THEN THERE WAS
A QUESTION JUST A MOMENT AGO
ABOUT HOW CAN THE LAW BE
IMPROVED? THAT IS OUR DEPARTMENT
HERE AT THE COUNCIL. SO, YOU
KNOW, WE HAVE WHAT I WAS TRYING
TO GET AT IS BY NOT CONFORMING
STRICTLY TO THE STATE LAW, THE
FIX THAT JUST -- BY THE ADDITION
OF REQUIRING AN OFFICER TO
PERCEIVE A THREAT OF HARM TO
OTHERS WILL ADD A WHOLE OTHER
LAYER OF DECISION MAKING THAT
COULD THEN MAKE, THAT COULD
WEAKEN THE CASE AND OPEN IT UP
TO CRITICISM. I DO BELIEVE AT
SOME POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO GET
YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHETHER OR NOT
THAT IS A BARRIER TO MAKING
THESE ARRESTS. AGAIN, I'LL SAY
AN ARREST IS A PATHWAY TO
TREATMENT. SO TO BE CONTINUED.
>> YES. I'LL JUST SAY THEY HAVE
BUILT IN THAT DIVERSION THAT IS
WITH THE PREFERRED APPROACH THAT
IS BUILT INTO THE STATE LAW, SO
THAT IS ALREADY A PART OF THAT.
IF IT'S ADOPTED AS IS, THAT'S
INCLUDED.
>> THANKS. THANK YOU, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT. WE'RE GETTING CLOSE
TO THE END. SO I'M GOING TO
CLOSE. CLERK, CAN YOU GO TO
SLIDE NUMBER FOUR? FIRST I WANT
TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
COMING TODAY. MY ROLE, AGAIN,
EVERYONE ENGAGES WITH THE
VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND
ENTITIES. BUT AS CHAIR, YOU
KNOW, PARTICULARLY WITH THE NINE
ENTITIES THAT REPORT TO THIS
COMMITTEE FOR BUDGET AND FOR
ISSUES, ALL THESE DIFFERENT
THINGS. AND TO QUARTERBACK WITH
THE STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK PLAN.
ALL THE VARIOUS BILLS THAT WE'RE
DOING, EXECUTIVE, JUDICIAL, THE
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THE
DIFFERENT PIECES, THE COURT AND
SO FORTH. BRINGING THEM
TOGETHER. I JUST WANT TO THANK
YOU ALONG WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS
OF THIS GROUP FOR YOUR ACTIVE
PARTICIPATION AND ENGAGEMENT
WITH MYSELF AND MY TEAM, BUT
THEN THE BROADER COMMITTEE AND
THE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS REALLY
PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE WORKING
WITH THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH,
WORKING THESE DIFFERENT PIECES.
WE DO THIS WITH MORE WORKER, YOU
KNOW, THE DEPUTY LEVEL, I THINK
IT WILL EQUATE TO GOOD
GOVERNANCE. AGAIN, AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT IS WHAT
LEADS TO THE 24 PLUS PIECES OF
LEGISLATION, WHICH WILL HELP
EACH OTHER, AND THAT IS WHY I
LOVE HAVING THE FIRE CODE UPDATE
BECAUSE THE VACANT BUILDING
ABATEMENT BILL WAS KICKING US
OFF. BUT TO SHOW WITH YOUR
SLIDES RELATED TO, YOU KNOW,
CHRONIC NUANCE PROPERTIES, THE
AFTERHOURS, SO FORTH, IT REALLY
SHOWS HOW THESE THINGS COME
TOGETHER, STREET RACING. THE
TECHNOLOGY BILLS THAT THEY WILL
ALL COME TOGETHER. I DO
RECOGNIZE A PART OF THIS IN
TERMS OF THE ENACTMENT OF THESE
BILLS. THE OPERATIONS OF THESE
BILLS. SOMETIMES IT'S BUDGET
RELATED, THE TECHNOLOGY THINGS
DON'T KICK IN UNTIL THE BUDGET
YEAR STARTS AND THEN THEY NEED
TO DO RFPs, THESE DELAY ACTIONS.
BUT AGAIN, 24 AS OPPOSED TO 22
AND 23 WAS A TRUE TRANSITION
YEAR, WHERE THESE PIECES, IN
PARTICULAR, 25, THEY ARE BEING
PUT IN PLACE AND THEY ARE
STARTING TO HAVE AN AFFECT. SO I
WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THAT.
SO ACKNOWLEDGING THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT'S POINT ON THAT. I
ALSO NOTED YOUR POINT ABOUT
DISRUPTING. ALL THESE BILLS DO
IT TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER.
THEY KIND OF CREATE A NEGATIVE.
LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE A STREET
RACING INCIDENT. SO THEN THE
CHALLENGE WILL BECOME HOW DO YOU
APPROVE THE NEGATIVES? THEN WE
NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT,
OTHER DISCUSSIONS. AND THAT IS
IMPORTANT FOR US AS A COUNCIL,
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DEMAND THE
SOMETHING TO MAKE A DECISION
REGARDING WHATEVER TOPIC.
PROVING THE ABSENCE OF SOMETHING
IS IMPORTANT. AGAIN, PERHAPS THE
CONVERSATIONS THIS AFTERNOON.
GOING TO SLIDE FOUR. IN MY ROLE,
I'M IN THIS EVERY DAY OF THE
WEEK. I AM ENGAGED WITH IT AND
ALL THE TIME. AND TO COUNCIL
PRESIDENT, SHE WILL MAKE A VERY
GOOD POINT. I'LL BE CLEAR ABOUT
IT BECAUSE IT IS ALL ABOUT
FUNCTIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM. ON SLIDE FOUR, YOU HAVE
LEAD INTAKE. WELL, THEY DON'T
GET ANY REFERRALS IF THERE IS NO
LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTED
DIVERSION. AND THAT IS A BIG
ISSUE FOR OUR FUNCTIONAL
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BECAUSE
IF LEAD IS NOT TAKING THESE
PEOPLE IN AND CREATING AS PART
OF THE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM,
THE BACKGROUND OF THAT WILL PLAY
OUT IN SO MANY THINGS. WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT MEDICAID AND THE
LIKE, THEN GETTING THEM TO
TREATMENT. BUT IF WE'RE NOT
GETTING THAT DIVERSION, THAT'S
THE PROBLEM. I'LL BE CLEAR
ABOUT THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM
IS THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PUBLIC
DRUG USE. DIRECTLY TO THEIR
POINT ABOUT HARM AND THE
DEFINITION OF IT. IT CREATES THE
SITUATION WHERE THE OFFICERS ARE
ON THEIR HEELS. SO THEREFORE AT
THEIR LEAD PROGRAM, THEY ARE NOT
GETTING THAT INTAKE AND THAT IS
THE PROBLEM. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN
BETTER OFF WITH THE ORIGINAL
PUBLIC DRUG USE, THE POSSESSION
BILL, SPONSORED BY TWO OUT OF
THE THREE THAT ARE HERE IN THIS
CHAMBER RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT DID
NOT HAPPEN. THE NEXT BILL IS
GOOD. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE
AMENDMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS
COUNCIL. AND THERE ARE THREE
THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON
THIS YEAR AND THIS COMMITTEE IN
TERMS OF PRESSING. ONE IS FIXING
BILLS, LIKE LESS LETHAL WEAPONS.
YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY AND SO FORTH OF
FUNCTIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM AND COMMUNITY SAFETY.
THIS IS HITTING LIKE A COUPLE OF
THOSE PIECES. WE SHOULD BE FRANK
ABOUT IT. BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD
GO THROUGH AND THEN YOU HAVE THE
SODA ORDERS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S
ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY, THE DRUG
PREVENTION AGREEMENT PROGRAM.
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR
DIVERSION. IT'S ONLY THEN YOU
GO TO THE SODA. IT'S BEEN
DEFINED BY PEOPLE ACROSS THE
CITY LIKE HARMING THAT ONE
PERSON ON THE STREET THAT HAS
SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER AND
THAT'S IT. IT'S GASLIGHTING TO
NO END. ESPECIALLY GASLIGHTING.
ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU GO THROUGH
THE LEAD DIVERSION AND NOW THE
PUBLIC PREVENTION AGREEMENT
VERSION ESSENTIALLY. EACH CASE
HAS BEEN DONE INDIVIDUALLY.
SIGNED OFF BY A JUDGE. BUT IT'S
CHARACTERIZED LIKE THE DUNGMEN
OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN SEATTLE.
AGAIN, GASLIGHTING THAT WE'RE
HAVING HERE. THIS SLIDE REALLY
SHOWS THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE
SLIDE, CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON. IF
YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS
JUST HIGHLIGHTS, YOU KNOW, THE
POINT. THESE STEPS. FIRST, THE
LEAD PROGRAM. WE NEED TO HAVE
THAT WORKING. SO WE NEED A
PROPER LEGISLATION THAT THE
OFFICERS COULD WORK ON. THAT
THEY COULD GET THEM TO HAVE YOU
BECAUSE THIS DRUG PREVENTION
PROGRAM IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE
ONE THAT WAS DISBANDED AND THEY
HAD TO BE DISBANDED BECAUSE THEY
WOULD NEVER SHOW UP TO THAT AND
IT WAS A FAILED PROGRAM, AS THEY
SHOULD STATE THAT OUT LOUD.
>> THERE WERE NO DRUG OFFENSES
GOING THROUGH THAT AND BECAUSE
IT IS NOT AT OUR MUNICIPAL
LEVEL, THE FELONY LEVEL. WE WERE
NEVER PROSECUTIONING USE AND
POSSESSION UNTIL AFTER OCTOBER
23.
>> YES. FOR THE BROADER PUBLIC
SAFETY, YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND SO AGAIN, THESE ORDERS ARE
SIGNED OFF BY JUDGES BASED ON
EACH UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL CASE.
NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME
AFTER TWO DIVERSION
OPPORTUNITIES. FIRST WITH THE
OFFICERS THEMSELVES TO LEAD.
SECOND WITH THE NEW DRUG
PREVENTION AGREEMENT PROGRAM.
AGAIN, A STEP UP IN THE GENERAL
CONTEXT. AND THEN THE STAY OUT
OF AREA PROSTITUTION. SIMILARLY,
IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE MATTER OF
FACT. UNFORTUNATELY HSD IS
ZEROING OUT THE MORE WE LOVE
FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.
CLEARLY NOBODY FROM THE
EXECUTIVE OR THE DEPARTMENT HAVE
BEEN TO THE NORTH PRECINCT LIKE
I HAVE AND SPOKEN TO LIEUTENANTS
WHO SAY THEY'RE THE ONES WHO
SHOW UP AT SECOND OR THIRD
WATCH.
>> YES.
IT IS NOT THE OTHER GROUPS.
>> I KNOW THAT TOO.
>> SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING
THIS. SEE, THIS IS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE WHERE WE NEED TO BE
DOING PUBLIC SAFETY RIGHT.
PUBLIC SAFETY, PARTICULARLY THAT
LEAD, WHAT'S SEEN BETWEEN
PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC HEALTH,
HUMAN SERVICES, THEY NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED. AND I'M STATING THIS
FOR A REASON. OF COURSE BECAUSE
OF THIS BUDGET SEASON, WE NEED
TO ADDRESS IT. AND THIS EXAMPLE,
THIS HSD DECISION TO ZERO OUT
THE MORE WE LOVE. AGAIN, THE
GROUP THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS UP AT
SECOND OR THIRD WATCH. I'VE
SPOKEN TO THE LIEUTENANTS AND
THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE NORTH
PRECINCT. BUT HERE WE ARE. OUR
JOB IS ABOUT GETTING RESULTS ON
THE STREETS IN THE
CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING WAY IN
DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY, THE
SEATTLE WAY. THE DIVERSION
PIECES. THE DRUG PREVENTION IS
THE PERFECT WAY OF DOING THINGS
THE SEATTLE WAY. BUT WE STILL
HAVE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE.
STREET RACING, SLIDE SEVEN AND
ANOTHER EXAMPLE, AGAIN, AS THEY
POINTED OUT. ALL THESE PIECES
WILL COME TOGETHER. IT IS NOT BY
ACCIDENT, THE STRATEGIC
FRAMEWORK PLAN, BUTTONS IN
PLACE. YOU'LL TALK ABOUT THE
TECHNOLOGY PLACE AND THE
AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER.
KEY IN THIS, BUT ALSO THE OTHER
AREA. THE STREET RACING AS AN
EXAMPLE OF THIS. WE NEED TO BE
PRESSING FORWARD. AGAIN,
ULTIMATELY, THIS IS ABOUT
ADDRESSING THE ENVIRONMENT. IF
WE, AS A CITY, DO IT HAD AND DO
NOTHING, ALLOW THINGS TO HAPPEN,
WHETHER IT IS STREET RACING,
PROSTITUTION ON AURORA, OTHER
PARTS OF THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S
THE DRUG MARKETS, WHEREVER THEY
MAY BE. ALL THE ABOVE. WE GET
WHERE WE WERE BEFORE THE
TRANSITION YEAR OF 2024. AND THE
GRAFFITI PIECE IS AN IMPORTANT
PIECE OF THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE WILL CONTINUE AS A
COMMITTEE AND A COUNCIL BECAUSE
THEY WILL GO BY WHAT WE WILL DO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK BY THIS
AREA. I KNOW IT'S RELATIVELY
NEW, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT
PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT WILL TIE
INTO THE VACANT BUILDING
ABATEMENT. IT TIES INTO ALL
THESE DIFFERENT PIECES. AS I
KNOW WITH MY COLLEAGUES, EVERY
DAY WE GET CONTACTED BY PEOPLE
IN OUR DISTRICT OR ACROSS THE
CITY IN MY CASE FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY ABOUT THE ISSUES WE'RE
FACING. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
I WANT TO THANK THAT AND THE
CHRONIC NUANCE AFTERHOURS AS
WELL. I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO
THIS WORK TO CREATE A SITUATION.
SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU BECAUSE
I KNOW I'VE GONE OVER FIVE
MINUTES, BUT I THINK IT WAS
IMPORTANT TO KIND OF SUM THIS UP
AND SHOW HOW THE DIFFERENT
PIECES PLAY TOGETHER, AND HOW WE
STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO. THAT
MORE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO IS
FIXING OLD ORDINANCES, WHERE
THEY NEED TO WITH FIXED.
GENERALLY THEY MIGHT BE GOOD,
BUT THERE'S FIXES THAT NEED TO
BE MADE OR, YOU KNOW, THE
FUNCTIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM. LIKE HAVING A GROUP THAT
ACTUALLY DOES THE WORK AT SECOND
AND THIRD WATCH, YOU KNOW, FROM
THE BUDGET PIECE. TO ADDRESS THE
SEAM BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY,
PUBLIC HEALTH. TO ADDRESS THE
SEAM BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND
HUMAN SERVICES. THAT IS SO
IMPORTANT. BY THE WAY, THIS IS
WHERE ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE COMES
IN, SO WE HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR
DEPARTMENT. WE NEED TO GET THESE
PIECES LINED UP STRAIGHT. THIS
IS MY JOB, THIS IS OUR JOB. WE
HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THESE
CHALLENGES. WE CONTINUE TO WORK.
24 PIECES OF LEGISLATION OVER
THE COURSE OF THIS TERM OF THE
COUNCIL IS JUST THE PIECES THAT
WE ARE PUTTING INTO PLACE. BUT
THIS IS WORK THAT NEEDS TO
CONTINUE. SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT, FOR HIGHLIGHTING SOME
OF THESE PIECES AS YOU NOTED IN
YOUR QUESTIONS. IT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT ALONG WITH VICE CHAIR,
THE OTHER MEMBERS. IT SHOWS HOW
IMPORTANT IT IS. IT'S THE
NORTH, DISTRICT FOUR, FIVE. SO I
APPRECIATE THE REFLECTION AND
THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC SAFETY
TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT RIVERA AND
THE ISSUES YOU HAVE. SO WITH
THAT, NOT TOO MANY QUESTIONS
THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO LINE THESE PIECES
UP, AND TO, AGAIN, TO ENCOUNTER
THE GASLIGHTING THAT HAPPENS IN
THE CITY ON THESE TOPICS. THEY
WERE ALL SIGNED OFF BY A JUDGE
BASED ON THOSE INDIVIDUAL
CHARACTERISTICS. THIS ISN'T
SOME WHATEVER, THIS IS A JUDGE
LOOKING AT THE FACTS OF THE
CASE. AND NOW THAT COMES AFTER
PDA DOING THEIR WORK WITH THE
LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTED
DIVERSION. NOW THE DRUG
PREVENTION AGREEMENT PROGRAM
THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY. THE
CORPORATION BETWEEN THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL COURT. SHE CAME UP
FIRST AND SHE SPOKE TO IT FIRST.
THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD DEVELOPMENT
OF HAVING THE SMC AND THE CAO
WORKING TOGETHER. NOT JUST ON
THAT, BUT THE CASE MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM TOO. THESE ARE THE WORK
THAT NEEDS TO CONTINUE AS WE
LOOK TO ACHIEVE OUR GOAL OF
CREATING A SAFE BASE IN OUR
CITY. I KNOW WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
>> CAN I HAVE A MOMENT TO THANK
YOU?
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT?
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY AND MAKE
SURE THE PUBLIC REALIZES WHEN I
TALK ABOUT OUR JOB IS TO PASS
THE LAWS AND THE EXECUTIVE
IMPLEMENTS. OUR JOB IS ALSO
OVERSIGHT. I REALLY APPRECIATE
YOU BRINGING MEMBERS, COMPONENTS
OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM INTO
PRESENTING THE EVIDENCE, WHAT'S
GOING ON NOW, SO WE CAN THEN
MAKE FURTHER DECISIONS FOR
REFINING LAWS OR MAKING BUDGET
DECISIONS TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT'S
HAPPENING REALLY OUT THERE IN
REAL LIFE. SO THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR WORK TO BRING THIS
BEFORE US. I'LL TAKE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU,
AND PERHAPS GOODBYE UNTIL AFTER
THE BUDGET. REALLY APPRECIATE
THE WORK ON THE HIGH INITIATIVE,
CITY ATTORNEY DAVISON. THAT'S
BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. AND ALSO
THE USE OF CIVIL INFRACTIONS TO
GET AT SOME OF OUR MOST
PERSISTENT ISSUES, STREET
RACING, GRAFFITI, INSTEAD OF
RELYING ON A DIFFERENT SET OF
STANDARDS AND THE PEOPLE
VIOLATING THOSE LAWS ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT AND MAKES CHANGE
FASTER, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT. COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I KNOW
WE'RE OVER TIME, BUT I JUST
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP ON THESE PIECES AND
FOR MAKING ALL THE CONNECTIONS
THAT YOU JUST DID. ALL THESE
THINGS ARE CONNECTED AND ALL THE
CITY DEPARTMENTS NEED TO WORK
TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS CITY SAFER
FOR FOLKS AND ALSO TO GET FOLKS
THE HELP THEY NEED TO SUCCEED IN
MY MIND, YOU KNOW, IN LIFE. AND
I WILL SAY IN TERMS OF THANK YOU
FOR RAISING UP. I DIDN'T WANT
TO TAKE THIS NECESSARILY AS AN
OPPORTUNITY. BUT SINCE YOU
MENTIONED IT, THE MORE WE LOVE,
IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS
DOING GREAT WORK ON THE NORTH
END. I WANT TO GIVE A CALL OUT
TO OUR FORMER COLLEAGUE,
COUNCILMEMBER MOORE, WHO WORKED
WITH THE ORGANIZATION, NOT JUST
THAT ORGANIZATION, BUT THE OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ALSO
DOING WORK IN THIS SPACE. BUT I
DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THERE IS
SO MUCH WORK THAT MULTIPLE
ORGANIZATIONS CAN PARTICIPATE
AND WORK IN THIS SPACE. I DO
WANT TO SAY AS WE COME UP AND
BUDGET, IT WILL START TO BECOME
LIKE THE HUNGER GAMES. THERE IS
ENOUGH ROOM FOR EVERYONE TO HELP
DO THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO
IN THIS CITY. AND THE MORE WE
LOVE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THEY ARE
DOING GREAT WORK. THEY'RE NOT
THE ONLY FOLKS DOING THE WORK,
BUT THEY ARE ONE OF THE FOLKS
AND THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE
ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS
WORK. OF COURSE, THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU NEED TO
SHOW JUST LIKE YOU CAME HERE
TODAY TO SHOW US HOW THESE TOOLS
ARE WORKING. ORGANIZATIONS NEED
TO ALSO SHOW US HOW THE WORK
THEY'RE DOING IS WORKING. THERE
IS AMPLE WORK TO GO AROUND FOR
ALL OF THESE GROUPS. UNFORTUNATE
PART IS THE GROUPS WILL START TO
TRY TO TEAR EACH OTHER APART AS
IF THERE ISN'T VALUE IN EVERY
GROUP AND AS IF THERE ISN'T
ENOUGH WORK TO GO AROUND. AND I
UNDERSTAND THE RESOURCES ARE
LIMITED, BUT WE STILL NEED TO
MAKE SURE THIS WORK IS GETTING
DONE, AND THAT THERE'S
OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE WHO IS
DOING GOOD WORK IN THIS SPACE TO
BE ABLE TO ALSO CONTRIBUTE. SO
THANK YOU, CHAIR. I REALLY WANT
TO UNDERSCORE SOMETHING THAT YOU
SAID BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP
THERE.
>> VICE CHAIR SAKA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. A LOT OF
IMPORTANT DISCUSSION GOING ON
NOW, SO I JUST WANT TO THANK MY
COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, RATHER
THAN PILE ON ON EVERY SINGLE
ASPECT, I WILL JUST ALSO NOTE MY
SUPPORT FOR THE ORGANIZATION YOU
MENTIONED WITH CHRISTINE IN THE
NORTH END DOING THAT WORK. THAT
IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. THEY
ARE NOT -- THE MORE WE LOVE, YOU
KNOW, THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY
ORGANIZATION DOING THAT WORK,
BUT THEY ARE HAVING IMPACT IN
ONE OF THE OTHER MULTIPLE, I'LL
SAY, ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE
DOING THAT WORK. SO WE NEED TO
CONTINUE TO UPLIFT AND EMPOWER
AND AMPLIFY THE ORGANIZATIONS,
EXACTLY LIKE THE MORE WE LOVE
AND OTHERS. AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT
THE ONLY ONES. SO THANK YOU, MR.
CHAIR.
>> JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DID
EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT HSD
DENYING THE APPLICATION, SO I
CAN SHARE WITH YOU MORE
INFORMATION AFTERWARDS.
>> I'M SENDING OUT SOME COMS ON
THAT AS WELL.
>> I TOO REACHED OUT, SO WE
COULD TALK OFFLINE.
>> WILL IT'S CLEAR TO BE A GOOD
FIX. THANK YOU.
>> BY THE WAY, JUST A FINAL
CLOSE. THIS POINT ABOUT THIS,
WORKING PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC
HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY, HUMAN
SERVICES. I AM OPTIMISTIC. I HAD
A FANTASTIC MEETING THIS PAST
WEEK OR END OF LAST WEEK WITH
EVERGREEN TREATMENT SERVICES,
THEIR REACH PROGRAM, THEIR
MOBILE UNIT. IT WAS FANTASTIC.
AND THERE WAS A LEAD
REPRESENTATIVE THERE TOO. SO
I'M OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE
EVERYBODY IS SEEING WHAT'S
HAPPENING ON OUR STREETS, AND
WE'RE TAKING ACTION. THEY'RE
TAKING ACTION. IT'S ABOUT US AS
A COUNCIL, LEADING, PARTICULARLY
TO BRING TO VARIOUS PIECES
TOGETHER BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT
KIND OF ROLE AND THAT OVERSIGHT
AND THE BUDGET RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE
FOR PARTICIPATING TODAY,
PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE, CITY
ATTORNEY DAVISON AND MR.
LINDSEY. WE HAVE REACHED THE END
OF TODAY'S AGENDA. I SUSPECT
THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO
COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
BEFORE, WE ARE ADJOURNED, SINCE
WE ARE 15 MINUTES OVER. I TRY
NOT TO DO THAT. HEARING AND
SEEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS COME
BEFORE THE