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With growing concerns
over shootings and sex

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trafficking in North Seattle,
voters say their council

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district, D5, needs help.

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I'm running because I
think blue cities should

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show that they can govern.

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Our district hasn't had
consistent leadership.

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D5 has had an interim council
member since Kathy Moore

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stepped down last year.

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Now, Nilu Jenks and Julie
Kang are running to serve the

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final year of Moore's term.

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Hi, I'm Nilu.

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Thank you for voting.

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Jenks, a voting rights
advocate with FairVote

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Washington, won the primary
and says public safety should

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involve police, plus 911
alternative response, and gun

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violence prevention teams.

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Not just law and order, but
what is working across the

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nation and what can we deliver
to actually make us all safer.

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I can trust you to
vote also for Julie.

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Kang, an educator and longtime
civic leader, has a different

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approach to public safety,
including an emphasis on

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stay-out-of-areas-of-prostitution,
or SOAP laws, and surveillance

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cameras.

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It's not enough to have
these policies in books.

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We have to enforce the rules.

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The D5 candidates differ on
other major policies, too.

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We should be looking at more
progressive revenue, so we

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can't keep saying, pay more.

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It's Julie Kang and Nilu
Jenks in the race for District

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5, next on City Inside Out.

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Hello, I'm Brian Callanan.

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Welcome to Season 24
of City Inside Out

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on the Seattle Channel.

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Seattle's District 5 council
seat has been in a state

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of flux since last summer,
when Cathy Moore stepped

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down less than two
years into the job.

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Former D5 council member
Debora Juarez has

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filled in since then, but
won't run this November.

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That race is between voting
rights advocate Nilu Jenks

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and educator Julie Kang
to complete the one year

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left in Moore's term.

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Their mission as they compete
for this short-term role is

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to convince some frustrated
voters in Seattle's northernmost

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district that they have
some long-term answers.

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District 5 neighbors protested
against sex trafficking

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and gun violence on Aurora
Avenue North back in June.

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And the two candidates
who want to lead D5 say

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they got the message.

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I think the most important thing
for me is to unify District 5.

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I am tired of waiting
for consistent

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leadership to show up.

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Nilu Jenks and Julie Kang
were both finalists for the

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interim D5 job last year after
Cathy Moore's sudden departure.

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Hi, Debora Juarez.

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The council appointed past D5
council member Debora Juarez

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to the position, but she's not
running for the opportunity to

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fill Moore's term through 2027.

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Thanks for stopping.

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Jenks, who also ran three years
ago in D5, won the August

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primary with 54% of the vote and
is endorsed by The Stranger.

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One, two, three, D5!

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She's the Political and
Partnerships Director

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at FairVote Washington
and says adding 911

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alternative care teams
in North Seattle and gun

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violence interruption
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safety and help police respond
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We can do that and improve
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And this is what I mean about
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What works and what can
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including District 5?

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Kang came in second
in the primary,

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with 33% of the vote,
and is endorsed by

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the Seattle Times.

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We're going to thank the voters.

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The National
Board-certified teacher

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differs from her opponent
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with her support of legal
approaches like SOAP,

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stay out of areas
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and added surveillance cameras.

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We haven't used our tools
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to restore public safety and
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Kang's priorities also
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and helping immigrants.

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She co-founded a
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So I have history, track
record of delivering

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solutions in District 5
for the last 30 years.

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Jenks wants 1,000 new units
of affordable housing for D5

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and says her expertise
on ranked choice voting

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could provide a big
boost for the council.

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This is the year we're
going to be implementing it

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for the city next year, and I
really want the city to benefit,

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to have really strong, robust,
policy-centered conversations.

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Different voices with
different approaches.

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It's Jenks versus Kang in
the race for District 5.

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Thanks again for joining
us on City Inside Out

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here on the Seattle Channel.

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I'm Brian Callanan, and
with me, I have two

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candidates for Seattle City
Council's District 5 seat.

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First up, Nilu Jenks.

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Welcome. Thank you.

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Good morning.

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Also good to be with
us, Julie Kang.

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Thanks for being here.

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Thank you for having us.

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We did a coin flip
before the show.

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We're going to be hearing
from Julie first.

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An opening statement,
if you would.

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Keep it to a minute.

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Thanks very much.

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I'm running for Seattle City
Council District 5 position

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because Seattle needs
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I'm an educator, first-gen
immigrant, union member, and

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a 30-year District 5 resident.

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After moving 23 times while
growing up, I came to UW for

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my Ph.D.

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program and loved Seattle.

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And I've seen how magical
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But I've also seen how far we've
drifted from being a city that

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is affordable, safe, and have
opportunities to thrive again.

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And I've knocked on over 10,000
doors during this campaign, and

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I heard from neighbors about
their concerns of public safety,

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cost of living, homelessness,
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So I'm stepping up because
I have had 30 years of

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experience in professional
teaching teachers at UW and

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Seattle U, and I have always
come to solve problems.

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And I want to do that for the
city because city needs to

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deliver and have a leadership
who shows up, listens,

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and continue to deliver
results that the city needs.

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Thank you very much for that.

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Nilu, if you would,
an opening statement.

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Keep it to a minute, please.

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Thank you.

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Well, I'm a Lake City
resident, a working mom of two

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teenagers and proud daughter of
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a longtime community advocate.

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I first ran for the seat in
2023 because the comprehensive

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plan was up and I wasn't
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how the conversations went.

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This is about land use, etc.

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Exactly. And how we're
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And so I went actually to
work on electoral reform,

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ranked-choice voting.

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And I hope that'll help
us next year, this year

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we're going to implement.

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I'm the political and
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FairVote Washington,
where I work in Olympia,

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in Seattle and across the state.

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But really what I've been
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And I'm at the point where I
feel that if blue cities don't

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start delivering and showing
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our basic needs-affordability,
housing, shelter,

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public safety-and in my
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year I've lost my grocery
store, my pharmacy, and if it

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was the first grocery store
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great. But it's also the
third pharmacy that's closed

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in our neighborhood and
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the city shows that it
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that's why I'm running to
implement ranked choice

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voting and make sure that
goes well but also to show

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that our cities can govern
and address the needs that

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we're seeing across city
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doors. Got it.

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Thank you very much.

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Public safety as you both
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issue in District 5 following a
series of shootings on Aurora

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Avenue North earlier this year
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neighbors around that area.

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Eventually, the city put
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barriers on 96th, 98th,
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to try to block access
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in criminal activity.

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Is the current public safety
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Seattle working on Aurora
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is there something you
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Yeah, I would say that having
to close streets and talking

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about closing parks is actually
a sign of failure and very

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clear indication that what
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There's a lot more that
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For example, we have $50
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legislature for improvements
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environmental design,
which Shoreline has

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said is what helped them
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a briefing in the Transportation
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And that's something that, you
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should be advocating for and
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right now the legislature
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that money and saying there
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cities and projects for that.

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That's one thing that I want
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we don't lose that money.

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But also making sure that
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violence interruption.

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We don't really have
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We have a lot on the south end.

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And I would say the north
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I live, and also Aurora.

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There's a lot of things that
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isn't simply hiring police,
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need undercover operations.

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We saw very successful
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expansion of detectives.

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So, you know, I want a
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as we're, you know,
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And we have over 100 trained
police that are lacking a field

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training officer to get
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So looking at that bottleneck,
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the fact that we have the
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the North End for 911 calls?

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Julie Kang,
same question to you.

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What are your thoughts about
how the city is approaching

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the problem right now?

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What would you try
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Well, so I lived on
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I first came to Seattle.

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So I've seen the
challenges then, and I

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am continuing to see it.

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So yes, our neighbors,
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a protest in March.

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And it's been over three months,
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It was a temporary Band-Aid.

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And it's funny that we talk
about barricades, because Virgil

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Flaim, after double homicide,
the neighbors put up barricades.

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Sandel Park, after having open
drug use, we put up barricades.

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And all of a sudden, we
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And so we haven't
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We have the tools.

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We have the tools
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laws, and it hasn't happened.

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So I'm all about enforcing
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tools we already have.

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And I also want us to restore
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I actually made a public
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set up my district office
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because those are the hotspots.

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And we need to be present
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because that's right.

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As Nilu said, we haven't had
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We talked about North Precinct.

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It never happened the movement
we have it right now, but to

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get to one side of D5

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Takes too long So we need
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use the tools we have and we
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So we can respond in a
timely manner for a violent

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911 calls.

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Thank you.

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And I would please yeah You know

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I said I ran three years ago and
everybody on council said they

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wanted to restore the officers
and get to the 1200 goal

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which I have said
that I support.

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I flagged at the
time that that would

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be a very hard goal,
and I just referenced

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the over 100 officers
that we can't get on the

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street. So what
else are we doing?

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Instead, we got a
contract that really

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hamstrung the care team.

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We have a 160-minute
response time on priority

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three calls and I just don't
understand why we can't

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have an alternative response
that can respond to minors,

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to private property, to

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you know if there's evidence
of you know crime so

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that we actually get the
response time that we need.

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What do you do when there
are you're struggling to

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make these hires and
getting people actually

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trained on the street
You should invest in

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other things, and that's
not what we're doing.

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And I would really love
us to stop having a

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performance of safety and
actually be more serious

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and smart about public safety.

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It's just getting very
political, and frankly, I think

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it's harming our community.

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And maybe I can take a
quick sidebar and ask

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you about that, Julie, with
regard to the CARE Team

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Community Assisted Response and
Engagement, the 911 alternative.

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Nilu's brought us some
thoughts about that in the

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class they've had with SPD.

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some thoughts about
the care team and 911

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alternative responses.

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Well, right now, we have to
get everyone at the table

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and come up with solutions.

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I think we're measuring success
by number of programs, the

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things we've done, number
of meetings, and that's not

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measurement of success.

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We need to deliver.

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And what that means is less

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shootings on Aurora
and in District 5, as

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well as in the city of Seattle.

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Less trafficking, right?

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Let's break in.

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Those are measurable outcomes

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that we need to ask for.

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Your position on closed-circuit
TV cameras, surveillance

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cameras, the use of
stay-out-of-areas of

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prostitution laws, which
are intended to curb sex

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trafficking, that's changed
over the course of this

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campaign. You told the
urbanists back in February

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you didn't support
these measures.

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You told me a few weeks
that you really do.

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You had a change of
heart about this.

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I wanted to talk about that and

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why you think these
measures are effective.

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Yes, thanks for asking.

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So as a naturalized U.S.

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citizen who served
on the King County

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Immigrant and Refugee
Co-Chair, I think about the

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civil liberties and
protecting our neighbors.

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That said, since then, I have
actually talked to a lot of

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experts and done my own review,
And I have learned that actually

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with certain measures to make
sure that we secure those

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footage, who has access to
them, and who we contract with.

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We are in a city in
hub of innovation.

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You know, when I was at UW
and we had a vendor that

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didn't work for us, we
actually created our system.

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So why aren't we doing something
that works for our city?

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And with those precautions,
I know that, you know,

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I can't say we 100% can
guarantee civil liberties

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and protection of everyone.

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But neighbors are asking them.

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And in fact, I walk 50 blocks of
Aurora and 80% of the neighbors

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and our small business owners,
they already have the tools.

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So let's use the tools that we
can with assurance that it's

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going to protect our neighbors.

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Do they work, I guess, is
the big question, too.

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Are they effective in
preventing crime, stopping

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crime, or solving crime?

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Well, they do provide evidence.

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And as I spoke with King County
prosecuting attorney and

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some of the experts, unless
you have evidence of footage,

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you can't even start a case.

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Right. And so we actually have
neighbors who are sending

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me things that actually
gets to the news next day.

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Right. You know, and we
don't have those tools.

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We can't even start a case.

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So we are so desperate
that we're willing to use

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all of the tools we have.

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Okay. All right.

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Nilu, some thoughts about
SOAP, the Stay Out of Areas

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of Prostitution Law, CCTV.

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I think you might have some
different positions and

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I want to draw that out.

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Yeah. I mean, I think Julie
just mentioned that people

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are sending recordings.

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We have recordings.

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We have camera evidence.

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There's tons of
cameras on Aurora.

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And I don't see how more
cameras is actually the answer.

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And when that evidence is
already present in community.

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And what we really
need is undercover

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operations, detectives,
investment in organizations

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like Aurora Commons,
Greenlight Project, REST,

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to make sure that you're
doing a dual response where

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people are getting services
and also having detectives

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be the ones that are
showing up in court

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and having the evidence
collected, not just cameras,

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because clearly that's
proving to not be enough.

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For SOAP, it was something
that we removed and

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then brought back, and
we haven't actually had

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anybody do anything about it.

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And that was with a supportive
mayor, a supportive council,

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a supportive city attorney
in the last few years.

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And so, again, bringing back
something from the past feels

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like a performance of
safety because things have

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only gotten worse.

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I will say just that I have the
endorsement of OneAmerica,

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our largest immigrant
rights group in this state.

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And the ACLU has also expressed
concerns around these cameras.

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Civil liberties are
extremely important to me.

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I work in democracy, like I
said, in the voting space.

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I myself have
birthright citizenship.

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We see a vast expansion
of ICE, including on

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Aurora, picking people at
the Home Depot regularly.

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And we're living at a very
unprecedented time under

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this federal administration,
seeing a lot of overreach,

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and especially this
expansion of ICE.

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And so we're seeing, you
know, in Alaska, they're

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talking about adding AI to
their CCTV camera program.

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So I just want, you know,
everybody to think about

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when we have a limited budget
and we have investments that

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we can make, there are things
we can invest in that do not

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trade in our civil liberties.

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And if we're going to expand
this camera program, let's

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make sure, like Oakland,
we have a Citizens Privacy

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Advisory Committee or
something like that.

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Let's talk about housing and
housing affordability in D5.

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Mayor Wilson presented the
Taller, Faster, Denser

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plan a few months ago,
which calls for taller

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multifamily buildings
across Seattle,

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a faster approach to
build more housing,

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especially near transit, and
more density in neighborhood

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hubs outside of downtown.

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Julie, maybe I can
start with you.

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Do you support this plan?

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How do you think it
would impact D5?

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What are your thoughts
about growth?

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Well, I think, yes,
we need more housing.

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There is no argument about that.

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I think it's where and near
the transits and as somebody

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who grew up taking the transit
and I actually came here on

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Transit this morning.

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I know how important
that connection is

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That said I also want us
to think about some of the

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naturally affordable housing
that is already in District 5.

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District 5 has
been very generous

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with permanent
supportive housing

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and some of the housings
that the city is asking for.

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And we actually have
some public land

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that is shovel-turn ready lots,
just like 130th and Aurora,

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we have that empty lot.

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So I welcome in the places
where it makes sense

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for people to get to their
affordable, you know, not

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only affordable housing,
but grocery stores.

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And, you know, there are two
grocery stores, transit nearby.

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So I welcome.

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But I think we have to
think about growth with

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infrastructure. I want to make
sure the school where they will

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will welcome the 200
plus students already.

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The utilities, you know, we
have a lot of things that

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need to be replaced, so I want
to make sure that it serves

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the community that's already
living, working, and thriving

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and grow with intentionality.

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Thank you for that.

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Nilu, some thoughts about this.

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What's your position on
taller, faster, denser?

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Are you supportive of that?

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What kind of growth do
you want to see in D5?

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Yeah, I mean, I would
say that we need housing

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across the entire city
and not just on Aurora,

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where we have quite a lot.

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I live on Sandpoint Way,
and I don't know that only

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developing on high transit
corridors makes sense.

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There's no reason to put
affordable housing or

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people that are struggling,
have lower incomes, always

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on traffic corridors.

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They, too, deserve nice things.

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You know, Magnolia has come up
as moving that project, the

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Fort Lawton project, to Aurora.

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That is something that I
don't understand personally.

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I think the way we support
our neighborhood schools is

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actually putting more housing
across all neighborhoods.

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You know, it's a struggle
that we have in this city.

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But I've talked very actively
about having stacked flats.

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And I grew up in triple-deckers
in the Boston area as

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a child and, again, with
my husband as an adult.

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It is very affordable
housing, you know, two-

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to three-bedrooms, a
single-home footprint.

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But it also helps protect our
trees and our tree canopy.

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I don't think housing and trees
have to be in conflict at all.

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And I do know for a fact
that we are lacking

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thousands of shelter beds.

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We have to build shelter
and housing both.

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Yeah, there's a
lot going on here.

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I do want to make sure I
move on to cover some more

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ground if I can.

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Thank you both for
covering that.

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Let's talk about the city
of Seattle budget, which

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has a $175 million deficit
heading into this fall.

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It's a structural deficit.

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The data shows city spending
is outpacing tax revenue

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for at least the next three
years when the deficit is

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projected to be $488 million.

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So there's definitely
something you're going to

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be dealing with if indeed
you're elected next year.

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Maybe I can start
with you, Julie.

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Your thoughts about how
the council has been

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approaching this, what
you might do differently.

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Well, I want to share that
when our District 5 small

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business owners could not
get equitable loan rates,

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I actually co-founded a
community bank in District 5.

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And we offer equitable
loans to people who are

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starting out businesses to
help our community thrive.

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And when we had revenue, we
actually returned it through

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a foundation to make our
YMCA and nonprofits thrive.

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So I have had experience
of managing big budget.

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And what I always say at the
end of the day, we can't close

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a bank if we are missing $100.

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We have to go figure out
where that money went.

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And I think right now with
our budgeting process, we

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don't have that accountability
and oversight process.

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For example, in the audit
from 2025, I believe 84

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out of 95 items are still
pending, meaning that we

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don't have the accountability.

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And we have to think about
the working folks, the

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teacher candidates that
graduate from our program.

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Affordability is real.

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So we can't keep
saying pay more.

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We have to be responsible
for the taxpayers'

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money that we collect.

489
00:21:25,557 --> 00:21:28,982
And we have to think about
some new ways, creative

490
00:21:28,982 --> 00:21:30,740
ways, so it's equitable.

491
00:21:30,740 --> 00:21:34,689
So people who are earning a
lot more, companies, they

492
00:21:34,689 --> 00:21:38,459
have opportunities to pay
more and to contribute.

493
00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:40,336
Okay. There's a lot going on
with what you said there.

494
00:21:40,337 --> 00:21:41,979
Thank you for
breaking that down.

495
00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:44,030
Nilu, maybe your thoughts
on how the city of Seattle

496
00:21:44,030 --> 00:21:46,180
should be approaching the
structural budget problem.

497
00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,308
what would you do as
a council member?

498
00:21:48,308 --> 00:21:51,200
Yeah, I mean, we live in the
state, I think, with the

499
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,557
second most regressive
tax system in the entire

500
00:21:53,557 --> 00:21:55,384
nation. So one of
the things that I...

501
00:21:55,384 --> 00:21:56,875
Meaning the people
that are earning

502
00:21:56,875 --> 00:21:58,563
less are paying a lot
more than the people up

503
00:21:58,563 --> 00:21:59,028
the ladder.

504
00:21:59,028 --> 00:21:59,500
Keep going.

505
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:02,266
And so, you know, I'm a
supporter of the millionaire's

506
00:22:02,266 --> 00:22:05,101
tax. I think that's a really
important thing that is on in

507
00:22:05,101 --> 00:22:07,765
our conversations happening
for the state right now.

508
00:22:07,765 --> 00:22:09,392
But on the city level,
we should be looking

509
00:22:09,392 --> 00:22:10,459
at more progressive revenue.

510
00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:12,932
That's a pretty significant
budget deficit that

511
00:22:12,932 --> 00:22:13,837
you talked about.

512
00:22:13,837 --> 00:22:16,423
And so I've talked about,
you know, how do we

513
00:22:16,423 --> 00:22:18,076
expand our public transit?

514
00:22:18,077 --> 00:22:21,920
Well, we could have a congestion
tax around Capitol Hill or

515
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,220
downtown and use that funding
to expand slowly the corridor.

516
00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:28,431
That was a very successful model
in Sweden, unlike in London,

517
00:22:28,431 --> 00:22:29,880
where they did everywhere.

518
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,980
Or capital gains tax.

519
00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:38,140
One of our biggest
issues is slowing down

520
00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:39,617
the permitting and
building housing.

521
00:22:39,617 --> 00:22:41,400
We're actually to 2008 levels.

522
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,576
It's really concerning in
a state where tax revenue,

523
00:22:44,577 --> 00:22:46,479
sales tax is how you
fill your budget.

524
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,076
So the Vibrant Cities Act
is going to be introduced

525
00:22:49,077 --> 00:22:50,298
into the legislature this year.

526
00:22:50,298 --> 00:22:52,159
It's a building tax credit.

527
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,837
It's something I'm very
interested in making work

528
00:22:53,837 --> 00:22:55,857
that will incentivize
building in our city,

529
00:22:55,857 --> 00:22:59,229
help fill our coffers, and
also help us restructure our

530
00:22:59,229 --> 00:23:02,380
property tax to help bring
our property taxes down.

531
00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:04,919
So we need to be looking
how to reduce taxes

532
00:23:04,919 --> 00:23:08,038
that are really making
working families struggle,

533
00:23:08,038 --> 00:23:10,817
but also finding ways to bring
more progressive revenue

534
00:23:10,817 --> 00:23:13,180
to the city so that we can
actually pay for things

535
00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:14,538
and fill these budget gaps.

536
00:23:14,538 --> 00:23:17,000
There's multiple levers we need
to be pushing at the same time.

537
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,077
Are there some cuts on
the table, though, too?

538
00:23:19,077 --> 00:23:19,940
I know you were talking.

539
00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:21,837
I was hearing that, I
think, from you, Ju.

540
00:23:21,837 --> 00:23:22,837
Is that what you're saying?

541
00:23:22,837 --> 00:23:23,163
I do.

542
00:23:23,163 --> 00:23:26,317
I think we need to have
accountability where if

543
00:23:26,317 --> 00:23:29,957
we're not seeing the results
that were promised in the

544
00:23:29,957 --> 00:23:33,837
programs, then I think we can't
continue to sustain them.

545
00:23:33,837 --> 00:23:38,153
So we have to have results
that show that we are

546
00:23:38,153 --> 00:23:40,538
investing up our stream.

547
00:23:40,538 --> 00:23:41,096
Okay. Yeah.

548
00:23:41,096 --> 00:23:42,153
Some thoughts on that.

549
00:23:42,153 --> 00:23:43,826
I know this is a
sensitive issue with

550
00:23:43,826 --> 00:23:44,939
cuts in any budget here.

551
00:23:44,940 --> 00:23:46,872
Would you have some
thoughts about that and

552
00:23:46,872 --> 00:23:49,019
how the city might be
thinking to cut some stuff?

553
00:23:49,019 --> 00:23:51,047
Yeah, I mean, I think part
of it is we'll have to look

554
00:23:51,047 --> 00:23:53,073
at things to make sure we
have measurable outcomes

555
00:23:53,073 --> 00:23:54,278
and accountability for sure.

556
00:23:54,278 --> 00:23:56,818
You know, we've seen at KCRHA
people had concerns and now

557
00:23:56,818 --> 00:23:58,116
they're coming to the light.

558
00:23:58,117 --> 00:23:58,892
That's not OK.

559
00:23:58,892 --> 00:24:00,180
It breaks public trust.

560
00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:01,405
The Regional
Homelessness Authority.

561
00:24:01,405 --> 00:24:01,778
Keep going.

562
00:24:01,778 --> 00:24:03,700
Sorry to use abbreviations.

563
00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:06,290
But also we have a lot of
no bid contracts that just

564
00:24:06,290 --> 00:24:09,140
do not seem reasonable and
very expensive to the city.

565
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:11,915
or I've had many neighbors tell
me how come my street was ripped

566
00:24:11,915 --> 00:24:14,336
up once and then ripped up
another time for cable and then

567
00:24:14,336 --> 00:24:14,785
for light.

568
00:24:14,785 --> 00:24:16,278
We should make that
more efficient.

569
00:24:16,278 --> 00:24:17,875
So there are things
that we can do

570
00:24:17,875 --> 00:24:20,326
to increase efficiency,
make sure that we're

571
00:24:20,326 --> 00:24:22,741
funding things that are
actually successful.

572
00:24:22,741 --> 00:24:24,338
And again, we are
going to have to

573
00:24:24,338 --> 00:24:25,817
look at progressive revenue.

574
00:24:25,817 --> 00:24:26,854
Okay. Thank you for that.

575
00:24:26,854 --> 00:24:28,528
I'm going to ask you
about endorsements.

576
00:24:28,528 --> 00:24:29,759
And Nilu, I'll ask you first.

577
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,440
You won 54% of the vote
in the August primary.

578
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,304
You've raised more than
$155,000 as of early

579
00:24:35,304 --> 00:24:37,239
September for your campaign.

580
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,557
Tell us about your top
three endorsements, please.

581
00:24:39,557 --> 00:24:41,240
Yeah, I mean, I'm very
excited about the

582
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,519
endorsements I've received.

583
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,796
It's hard to pick, but I would
say the Martin Luther King

584
00:24:45,796 --> 00:24:47,720
Labor Council just got that one.

585
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,499
Very excited to work
with working families.

586
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:52,068
I think unions are more popular
than they've ever been in the

587
00:24:52,068 --> 00:24:54,538
nation, especially considering
our federal situation.

588
00:24:54,538 --> 00:24:57,423
So I'm very excited to work with
them and fight for people and

589
00:24:57,423 --> 00:25:00,192
the working people and make
sure we're doing good work and

590
00:25:00,192 --> 00:25:02,616
bringing great apprenticeships
to the city, too.

591
00:25:02,617 --> 00:25:05,490
The sole endorsement of the
King County Democrats is

592
00:25:05,490 --> 00:25:08,298
really important as well,
especially at this time.

593
00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:11,449
And I would say our two citywide
council members who also

594
00:25:11,449 --> 00:25:15,000
represent District 5, I would be
very excited to work with them.

595
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,809
You kind of worked in four
there, but I see what you're

596
00:25:16,809 --> 00:25:17,673
doing. That's all right.

597
00:25:17,673 --> 00:25:18,500
That's quite all right.

598
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,117
I did want to ask you the
same question here, Julie.

599
00:25:21,117 --> 00:25:23,857
You were second in the
primary with 33% of the vote.

600
00:25:23,857 --> 00:25:26,894
You've raised more than
$129,000 for your campaign

601
00:25:26,894 --> 00:25:28,239
as of early September.

602
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,836
Who are your top
three endorsements?

603
00:25:29,837 --> 00:25:33,191
Well, as a new candidate, I
was so honored to receive

604
00:25:33,191 --> 00:25:36,462
multiple endorsements of
individuals in elected

605
00:25:36,462 --> 00:25:38,180
office, past and present.

606
00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:42,000
But I'm going to share three
of the group, I guess.

607
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,086
As a Washington State
Democratic delegate, I am

608
00:25:45,086 --> 00:25:48,486
honored still to receive
the endorsement of the 32nd

609
00:25:48,486 --> 00:25:50,337
LD, where I've been serving.

610
00:25:50,337 --> 00:25:54,720
And of course, as a lifelong
union member of LIUNA,

611
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,459
I think I am very proud
to be part of that group.

612
00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:02,140
And then lastly, as somebody
who is really caring

613
00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:05,699
and speaking for the trees and
thinking about climate change,

614
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:09,597
I think TreePAC's endorsement
is very meaningful for me

615
00:26:09,597 --> 00:26:12,479
as a mother, as a citizen,
and as a teacher.

616
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,400
- Okay, thank you for that.

617
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,077
It is closing statement time.

618
00:26:15,077 --> 00:26:16,219
And Julie, you're first up.

619
00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:18,400
Your final thoughts on why
voters should choose you.

620
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,680
Please keep it to a minute.

621
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,278
Thank you.

622
00:26:20,278 --> 00:26:24,182
So Seattle needs a change
in direction, as I've said,

623
00:26:24,182 --> 00:26:28,440
to be safe, affordable, and
full of opportunities again.

624
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,576
And I've spent 30 years
building my life in District 5.

625
00:26:32,577 --> 00:26:36,298
I am an educator, a first-gen
immigrant, a civic leader,

626
00:26:36,298 --> 00:26:39,776
and someone who has stepped
up for my community for

627
00:26:39,776 --> 00:26:41,519
the last three decades.

628
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,088
I've listened to thousands
of neighbors at the door,

629
00:26:45,088 --> 00:26:49,480
and not only during campaign,
but I want to ensure that those

630
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,557
voices carry to City Hall.

631
00:26:51,557 --> 00:26:54,836
I've shown up, I've listened,
and I've taken action, and I

632
00:26:54,836 --> 00:26:58,423
want to hold myself accountable for delivering

633
00:26:58,423 --> 00:27:00,679
the progress people
can see and feel.

634
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,026
That's the change in
direction I'm ready to lead

635
00:27:04,026 --> 00:27:06,968
in City Hall and using my
professional and civic

636
00:27:06,968 --> 00:27:09,759
leadership skills I've built
for the last 30 years at

637
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,721
University of Washington,
Seattle University and

638
00:27:12,721 --> 00:27:14,097
in Community Bank in D5.

639
00:27:14,097 --> 00:27:18,509
I will fight to restore that
city can be safe, affordable

640
00:27:18,509 --> 00:27:20,479
and full of opportunity.

641
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,500
Thank you very much for that.

642
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:22,856
You get the last word
a minute, please.

643
00:27:22,857 --> 00:27:23,826
Yeah, thank you.

644
00:27:23,826 --> 00:27:26,240
You know, I want to
fight for our district.

645
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,680
We have been left behind from
many of our neighborhoods

646
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,798
and not getting the response and
recognition that we deserve.

647
00:27:33,798 --> 00:27:36,241
Many times been told it doesn't
look good to give money to

648
00:27:36,241 --> 00:27:39,305
the North End, and that is an
unacceptable statement to me.

649
00:27:39,305 --> 00:27:42,817
I also have the experience in
Olympia, in City Hall, here in

650
00:27:42,817 --> 00:27:45,692
Seattle, working on bills and
working with organizations to

651
00:27:45,692 --> 00:27:48,432
deliver and work on our voting rights, which I think is

652
00:27:48,432 --> 00:27:50,900
important right now, but also
I know how to work something

653
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,759
through committees and
do stakeholder processes

654
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,278
as a political and
partnerships director at

655
00:27:56,278 --> 00:27:57,557
FairVote Washington.

656
00:27:57,557 --> 00:28:00,665
I also have released a very
robust public safety platform,

657
00:28:00,665 --> 00:28:03,303
showing that I'm talking to
public safety experts and

658
00:28:03,303 --> 00:28:05,636
thinking about what we can
do to make things better.

659
00:28:05,636 --> 00:28:07,519
But overall, you know,
this is where I live.

660
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,440
I live in Lake City, and I
experience these traffic

661
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,038
concerns on Sandpoint Way.

662
00:28:12,038 --> 00:28:13,057
I don't have a grocery store.

663
00:28:13,057 --> 00:28:13,960
I don't have a pharmacy.

664
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,659
And so I'm in it with community.

665
00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:18,046
I'm here to fight for us
and make sure that this

666
00:28:18,046 --> 00:28:20,394
city works for all of us and
so that we can celebrate

667
00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:22,357
D5 and make it a wonderful
place for all of us.

668
00:28:22,357 --> 00:28:24,680
Thank you both, and we
will be right back.

669
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:29,018
What are people saying on
social media about the race for

670
00:28:29,018 --> 00:28:30,960
Seattle City Council District 5?

671
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,701
One person writes,
Julie Kang's decades of

672
00:28:33,701 --> 00:28:36,480
leadership as an educator,
local businesswoman,

673
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,682
and cultural advocate shine
through in both her vision

674
00:28:39,682 --> 00:28:41,557
and her commitment to service.

675
00:28:41,557 --> 00:28:44,615
Another comments, "Nilu
Jenks will always be an

676
00:28:44,615 --> 00:28:46,759
inspiration and force for women.

677
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,038
I have never doubted her
ability to lead and motivate."

678
00:28:50,038 --> 00:28:52,159
We'd like to know
what you think.

679
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:55,680
Send us an email at
contact@seattlechannel.org

680
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,057
or find us on social media.

681
00:28:58,057 --> 00:29:00,259
That conversation is
continuing on social media,

682
00:29:00,259 --> 00:29:02,200
but that's all the time
we have for today.

683
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,557
Julie Kang, Nilu Jenks, thank
you very much for being here.

684
00:29:04,557 --> 00:29:05,337
Thank you.

685
00:29:05,337 --> 00:29:06,259
I'm Brian Callanan.

686
00:29:06,259 --> 00:29:07,659
See you next time
on City Inside Out.

687
00:29:08,857 --> 00:29:26,659
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