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Hello, I'm your host,
Brian Callanan.

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Could a first-time candidate
unseat a long-time legislator?

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That's the question
facing voters in

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Washington's 37th District,
from southeast Seattle

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down to Renton.

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The longest-serving member
of the State House,

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Sharon Tomiko Santos, is up
against newcomer Kelabe Tewolde

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for District 37's
position one seat.

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And the candidates have
some different approaches

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to tough topics like affordable
housing and education.

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- We need leaders right
now that are gonna deal

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with these issues
as urgent issues

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and not just push them down
the line year after year.

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- Tewolde, a Southeast
Seattle native

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and Rainier Scholars educator,
earned a surprising win

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over Santos in the primary
by fewer than 1,400 votes.

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Santos has held the
seat since 1999.

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She chairs the House
Education Committee

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and says her experience
sets her apart.

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I want to make sure that I am
able to go back to Olympia

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and protect what we have fought
so hard and so long for.

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With schools squeezed
by budget cuts

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and families squeezed
by rent increases,

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who should speak
for the South End?

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I think people on the
ground are feeling it

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and know that we're not
doing enough right now.

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You'll hear from
both candidates.

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I think the reality is we
have a limited-size budget.

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It's experience versus
a new voice for House

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District 37, Position 1.

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Next on City Inside Out.

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Thank you for joining us once
again here on City Inside

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Out on the Seattle Channel.

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I'm Brian Callanan, and I
am here to connect you with

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the candidates for state
representative in District 37.

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This is for the
position one seat.

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Two Democrats here with us.

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The incumbent is Representative
Sharon Tomiko Santos.

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Thank you very much
for being here.

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Well, thank you so much, Brian.

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Also with us, her
challenger, Kelabe Tewolde.

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Kelabe, appreciate you
being on the show, too.

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Thanks for having me.

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We had a coin flip
before the program.

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Kelabe is going to
be speaking first.

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An opening statement,
if you could keep it

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to a minute, please.

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Well, thank you for having me.

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My name is Kelabe Tewolde.

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I was born and raised
here in Seattle.

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I'm an educator, son
of an immigrant,

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and honestly why I'm
running for this seat

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is because most of my
students that I work with

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at Rainier Scholars are
dealing with the same issues

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I dealt with and
most importantly,

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my mother dealt with
raising me as a single mom.

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They're dealing with
housing insecurity,

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massive amounts of medical
debt in their families,

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and, you know, an
education system

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that isn't meeting their needs.

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My mother did her
best raising me,

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and my community did
their best raising me

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in the south end of Seattle.

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And I'm coming back to
represent that district

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that helped raise me.

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My family dealt with
gun violence outside

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of their schools.

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We had to move
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And when it came to education,
my mom did what she

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could to make sure that
I was on the right path,

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and I'm doing the
same right now.

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And I would love to talk more
about my priorities later.

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And we definitely will.

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Just a second.

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Thank you for that.

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Sharon Tomiko, an opening
statement, if you could,

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aiming for a minute here.

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Well, thank you so much.

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You know, I'm a proud
daughter of the 37th

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Legislative District, where
I was raised and where I

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attended public schools from
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school, in the same district
that my mother taught students

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who—with intellectual and
developmental disabilities, who

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were permitted to enroll for
the very first time in their

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neighborhood schools, and
by an immigrant father who

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ministered to an aging immigrant
population that, after

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a lifetime of facing legalized
discrimination, xenophobia

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and racism in this country, were
imprisoned in nursing homes

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and in hospitals by language,
culture and custom, and found

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that they had to keep quarters
in order to receive attention

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and care by bribing the staff.

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As a legislator and as
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I want to make sure
that we are supporting

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all persons who live
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so that they can thrive.

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- All right, thank you.

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And there's a lot to
pull apart there too.

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Thank you for that
Sharon Tomiko.

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Let's talk about the 37th
district if we could.

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It stretches from Chinatown
ID here in Seattle

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through Southeast
Seattle down to Renton.

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It is known for its diversity
and its progressive politics.

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And a lot of eyes were
on this race, especially

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after Kelabe, a political
newcomer, won the primary

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with 51 percent of the vote.

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Kelabe, I wanted to talk about
your work at Rainier Scholars

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over the past eight years.

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It's a nonprofit aimed at
helping students of color.

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Education reform is a big reason
why you got into this race.

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You mentioned that in
your opening statement.

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You told me in preparation
for the show our education

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system is failing teachers.

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It's failing students.

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You're going up against an
opponent who chairs the

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House Education Committee.

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So tell us, how would your
approach to education be

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different if you were a
lawmaker and you were elected?

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Yeah. Well, I think there's
a lot to dig into when it

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comes to the education
system, and my opponent knows

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that intimately with the
work that she's done over

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the past few decades.

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And what I see as some of
the top priorities right

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now in our education system
is providing our teachers

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with enough supports.

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That could look like making
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caps on the class sizes.

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I have a friend that taught in
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and last year she was teaching
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35 kids in her class.

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She didn't want the extra
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students in her classroom.

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She wanted smaller class sizes.

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And our teachers are
begging for that.

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We saw that with the SEA
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That was one of their big
bargaining points, where they

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wanted smaller class sizes.

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And we're going to
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The legislature didn't fund
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when the voters approved
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through an initiative.

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And it got kicked down the road
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by the legislature.

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We have folks like Pollet,
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advocate up in North Seattle.

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-Gerry Pollet in the 46th.

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Keep going.

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-Yes. He has been pushing for

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smaller class sizes,
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of our big priorities.

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Another one that I would love
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with, is trying to make sure
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time in the classroom as well.

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I get we have to prepare our
kids for a digital age, but what

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I've seen at Rainier Scholars
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and we get kids doing the
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brains and not relying on
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of tools, we're getting much
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And I'll leave it at that.

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I want to dive into that
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And I know there's a lot to
talk about, but I want to

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give people some background
about you, Sharon Tomiko.

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You've served as House
Education Chair for 15 years.

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You've been in
office since 1999.

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You're the state's
longest-serving House member.

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And we talked before the
show about the complexity

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of state education policy and
the need for someone with

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experience to reimagine how
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especially during a
difficult budget year.

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Let's talk about that, how
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different than your opponent's.

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Well, I think
the first thing is that I

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approach this through
a systemic vision.

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But speaking of vision,
that's a big problem.

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We don't have a vision
for public education.

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We have a mission for public
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What we really need, if we
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our systems, is that vision,
a vision where we recognize

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the strengths and challenges
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basis. I don't disagree with the

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notion that we need to have
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not thinking of this literally.

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What I'm thinking of is we
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in the classroom so that
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student-to-adult ratio.

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We've seen how that works
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The issue—part of the problem
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One, the limits on
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And as long as we keep our
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and expect that only learning
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we need to continue
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But the truth of it is
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that learning takes
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but the only way we fund
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of hours of a butt in a seat.

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You wanted to jump in here.

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Yeah, I wanted to just
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on the having more adults
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I think there is a benefit for
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of the classrooms, but my
friend again who had 35 kids

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in her class at the
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to have multiple teaching aids
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so overcrowded that there
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in that class, even if there
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that were able to help
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So I think-- I
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the same thing.

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We're actually saying
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But I think we need to make
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teachers for success there.

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With regard to funding
education, you brought this up,

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and I think it's important for
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an appropriations committee
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paying for education.

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The education committee
is in a different lane

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there in terms of pedagogy
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But I did want to
talk about this.

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Our state has invested
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the past several years.

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During your time in office
there, a 39% increase.

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And I'm looking at
some of the numbers.

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The Washington Policy
Center did a study on this.

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39% increase in spending
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But then the data shows
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especially after the
pandemic, have fallen

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in terms of math proficiency,
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I'm just trying to look
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that the state is getting,
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for the education
dollar out there.

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Can you speak to that?

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Well, I think there's
a couple of things

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that you're talking about there.

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One is, actually,
if you take a look

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at the most recent
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the increase over the last
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just in public education.

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The -- and I do know that there
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beginning with, for example,
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public instruction,
who would say, "We

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need more money."

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I think the reality is we
have a limited-size budget.

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Part of the question we
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what you're posing.

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How are we making sure
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achieving what we need?

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And as long as we are not
making every dollar work

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the hardest that it can
by forcing teachers

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into compartmentalized
types of programs,

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then we won't be able to
achieve the results we want.

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- Can you talk about
education funding?

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I think this is a part
of your platform too.

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- Yeah, I think that
huge jump that we saw,

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a lot of that could be
coming down to our state

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when that jump happened,
having to meet that paramount

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duty of public education.

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- The jump in dollars,
the investment, yeah.

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- Because we were being
held in contempt.

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The legislature was held
in contempt at that point.

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And there was a need
for that huge jump.

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And every year we've seen that
percentage of education dollars

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of our state budget dropping.

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It was above 50 percent.

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Now it's around 42
percent, I believe, of

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the operating budget.

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And so, yes, the numbers are
going up, but in proportion

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to how much we're spending
as a state, it's gone down.

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Well, I think that that's a
false perspective, though,

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in this way is, I mean, the
numbers are in 2015-17,

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we spent $18.2 billion
on public education.

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And in 25-27, with the
supplemental, we're now

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spending $33.9 billion.

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That's the 89% I'm
talking about.

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But when you talk
about the percentage,

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I would agree with my opponent.

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The percentage has
gone down by about 5%.

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We're now at 42% of
the entire NGF budget.

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But, yes, that's a general

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fund budget.

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But what it
doesn't account for

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is what's pushing on that.

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For example, in health
and human services, the

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increase in that same period
of time is 393 percent.

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So, of course,
education spending is

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proportionately down.

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Okay. One last touch on
this before we move on.

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Would you like to add
anything to that?

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Well, I think it's
important to make sure

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that we're like putting
into perspective of

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like, yes, we're putting
in a lot of dollars

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into our education system, but
our budgets are a reflection

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of our values, right?

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And if we want to be
a state that leads

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and puts our students first
and puts our future first,

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We got to put it in the
dollars to make sure that our

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teachers and our students are

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Best set up to succeed
and I don't think we're

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doing that right now
I think people on the

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ground are feeling it and
know that we're not doing

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enough right now.

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Thank you I need to move on if I

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could here real quick
another education issue

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The governor's been traveling
all around the state this

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fall to talk about his support
for a statewide ban on cell

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phones at public schools
From bell to bell as he

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calls it Kelabe.

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I know you're in support of this

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You've done this at
Rainier Scholars.

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Talk to me about that.

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- Yeah, I was actually
against this at first

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when I was at Rainier Scholars
and we had this proposal

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by my supervisor,

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but I have been a big
proponent of it now.

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After implementing it
for the past few years

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at Rainier Scholars,
when we have students

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in our programming, our middle
and high schoolers are,

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it's like a night
and day difference

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between when we didn't have
this policy and when we do.

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In the classroom itself,
kids are focused,

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they're getting work done,
they are ready to learn.

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And then when we have
students checking in

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and like hanging out in
the beginning of the day

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and during lunchtime, it is
the loudest I've ever seen

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our classrooms or our
common spaces ever.

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And it is amazing to see
'cause kids are no longer

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just hunched over
on their phones

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and in their little
tiny little clique,

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They are interacting
with each other.

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They're hanging out.

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They're being kids.

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And I think that's a really
important thing, and we

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should be implementing these
in our public schools.

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Sharon Tomiko, you've said
instead of a statewide ban,

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individual school districts
should make the decision.

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Why is that?

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Well, I think there's
a couple of reasons.

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First of all, I do want to
make the point that what I

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hear my opponent talking about
really is around engagement.

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And that actually is the secret
sauce to deep learning in our

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classrooms and for our students.

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Do you think you can
still engage with a

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phone in your hand?

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Well, I think it depends
on the educator.

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I mean, there are educators
that use that phone for that.

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But for example, if you've
ever visited Aviation High

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School or Maritime High School
or a lot of these thematic

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schools, where the
hands-on learning is

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really engaging deeply,
our students.

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Cell phones aren't out.

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I think the—but to your
question, the piece that I think

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we really need to think
about is local control.

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And we already have about
a third of the school

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districts who already
have adopted some type

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of cell phone policy.

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And, you know, either we're
going to have state-controlled

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education or we're going
to have local control

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with state partnership.

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Got a quick rejoinder on this?

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I think the engagement piece
is really important to

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think about because we've,
as we saw with like the

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Meta settlement case, right,
and the addictive nature

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of our phones and addictive
nature of social media,

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These kids are dealing with
something that is totally

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different than what we've
had to ever deal with.

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When I first got my phone, it
was a flip phone, Motorola.

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It was very different
to be distracted by

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that than a smartphone.

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When a kid is in the back
of the classroom doodling,

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that is a very different
type of distraction.

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And they can actually engage
and still listen and learn

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versus a phone that is
giving kids dopamine hits.

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And having that be a
constant is quite dangerous.

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Last rejoinder on this, please,
if you have anything to add.

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No, I absolutely agree.

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But let's not confuse cell
phone bans with the addictive

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nature of those cell phones.

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So I think there's a way
that you can address

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the addictive nature,
and I think that that's

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certainly going to be a matter
of public policy consideration.

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I think so, too.

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Thank you for that.

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Kelabe, I'm going to jump
back to you and talk about

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housing affordability
in the 37th District.

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The majority of people
who live there are

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renters, like yourself.

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Legislature passed a bill
last year, House Bill 1217,

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that caps rent increases
over any 12-month period

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to 7% plus inflation or
10%, whichever is lower.

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I know you supported this
idea, but your opponent

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has said this bill is
essentially rent control.

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It could hurt small landlords,
discourage building new rentals,

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possibly make the housing
shortage we have even worse.

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Why do you support this?

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I support it because we
have too many people that

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are one paycheck away from
being out on the streets.

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I've been somebody that's
had to move four times in

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the last six years, like
I was sharing earlier.

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And it is really important
that we keep people housed,

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especially in a district like
the 37th, where we have people

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that are housing insecure.

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That is like the-- if you're
somebody on a fixed income,

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if you are a barista,
if you're somebody

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that isn't making these
top tech dollars, right,

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it is much harder
to take a 10% hit

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on your biggest expense
in housing, right?

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Even an 8% hit for a lot
of folks is way too much

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and forces them to move.

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And if we have a
district like the 37th

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where people are getting
pushed out to Auburn and Kent

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and Federal Way like
my students are.

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It's important that we make
sure that there's some sort

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of cap and some sort of
protection for folks.

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Sharon, your
thoughts about this?

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Sharon Tomiko, excuse me.

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You voted against
this measure in 2025.

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Talk about your
opposition to this.

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Well, first of all,
one of the things

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that I should say is I
did actually cosponsor

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in the previous biennium, a bill
that was very similar to that.

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It included the 7% cap plus
an inflationary aspect, but

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it also carried with it a
very innovative notion.

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If you're a landlord, for
example, and you have a

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building, or maybe it's not even
a building, maybe it's your own

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vehicle, you know that the
maintenance costs are not

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going to be very high
when the vehicle is new.

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Right? But they will start

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piling up and getting
more expensive as that

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vehicle or that
building gets older.

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So the notion that
was incorporated into

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the bill that I signed on
to had a notion around

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banked capacity
that allowed,

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so it kept the 7% plus
the inflationary factor,

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but if a landlord
hadn't raised rents,

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they could reach into
their banked capacity

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to increase rents.

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Ultimately though, for
affordable housing,

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I think we have to
talk about supply side

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and increasing the quantity
of diverse housing stock.

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- And I wanna talk about that,
but you had a quick thing

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you wanted to jump in with.

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- Oh, it was about the stock.

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Yeah, yeah, let's
talk about this.

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I think in a previous forum that
we had, my opponent mentioned

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that the Growth Management
Act was something that—

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Yeah, the GMA, just to
let people know, it's

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a set of laws, in case
you're not aware, folks,

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that helps our state
deal with our state's

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rapid population growth, with
an aim towards preventing

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urban sprawl, protecting
natural and rural lands.

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I know that you've talked to
me before about potentially

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shifting these GMA boundaries,
essentially where building

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and development can happen,
which your opponent

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has pushed back on.

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And Kelabe, I'll start
with you and then jump

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to you on this, please.

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Yeah, I think we need
to push back on that.

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I think that is something
that is being pushed by

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folks that want urban sprawl.

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And we got to be careful
with that because if you

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look at Seattle, I believe
3% of Seattle is zoned for

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mid-level, mid-rise housing.

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And if we're not maximizing
the amount of urban growth

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that we can have within the
city limits of Seattle and

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within the urban growth area,
we're going to be pushing

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for sprawl that is bad
for our environment,

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bad for our waterways,
bad for the Pacific

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Northwest that we
call home, right?

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We have this beautiful
place that we

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should be protecting.

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And I think both
the environment and

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also economically, it's bad.

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If we have this urban
sprawl, it pushes people

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further and further out,
and it makes it harder

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for people to get to the
amenities that they need,

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get to their jobs,
get to schools.

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And so I think it's
important that we try

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to maximize our
density in places,

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especially outside
of our district

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because our district has taken
on a lot of that urban growth.

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- Yeah, some thoughts about
this Sharon Tomiko, if you--

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- Yeah, no, I agree about
the equitable development

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throughout our district.

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I think the 37th district
has certainly shouldered

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the burden of density.

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But let me point out that when
growth management was enacted

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in 1990, we had a million
fewer people in King County

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than we did in 2020.

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We've had a 10 percent
increase in the population.

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And the other piece of this
is why I talk about growth

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management related to housing
is when you cannot build,

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then what are you doing?

493
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,607
You are artificially increasing
the cost of land, which is

494
00:21:50,607 --> 00:21:55,500
today the most expensive part
of housing costs these days.

495
00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:55,780
Got it.

496
00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:57,200
Can you jump in with
something else?

497
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,857
Just real quick, it's about
the not being able to build.

498
00:22:01,857 --> 00:22:04,509
We're seeing right now
city councils dealing

499
00:22:04,509 --> 00:22:07,440
with the comprehensive
plan delays due to people.

500
00:22:09,097 --> 00:22:10,278
Some legal activity involved.

501
00:22:10,278 --> 00:22:11,140
Legal activity going on there.

502
00:22:12,136 --> 00:22:14,740
If we're not allowing our cities
to build up, that's where we're

503
00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:16,803
going to run into that
issue, and that's what we're

504
00:22:16,803 --> 00:22:17,538
seeing right now.

505
00:22:17,538 --> 00:22:19,661
We need to be pushing
our cities to be able to

506
00:22:19,661 --> 00:22:20,836
build up and not sprawl.

507
00:22:21,999 --> 00:22:23,075
Quickly if you could.

508
00:22:23,075 --> 00:22:24,567
I don't think I'm disagreeing

509
00:22:24,567 --> 00:22:26,719
with that, but what I am
saying is we have not

510
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,142
exhausted all of our
opportunities to take a look

511
00:22:29,142 --> 00:22:31,798
at, for example, Chinatown-
International District.

512
00:22:31,798 --> 00:22:36,019
There is a whole boatload
of opportunity to create

513
00:22:36,019 --> 00:22:39,837
affordable housing right
there that doesn't

514
00:22:39,837 --> 00:22:43,199
require destroying what's
already there, but can

515
00:22:43,199 --> 00:22:44,798
actually be converted.

516
00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:47,226
Okay, I thought you were
going to talk about

517
00:22:47,226 --> 00:22:48,259
unreinforced masonry.

518
00:22:48,259 --> 00:22:50,317
I'm glad you didn't because
that's a whole other show.

519
00:22:50,317 --> 00:22:52,640
I did want to talk about
something with you if I could.

520
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,692
The 37th district is impacted
by gun violence more than many

521
00:22:55,692 --> 00:22:57,219
other districts in the state.

522
00:22:57,220 --> 00:22:58,460
Sharon Tomiko, can
I start with you?

523
00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:00,922
The work you've done as a
legislature to deal with that,

524
00:23:00,922 --> 00:23:03,480
gun violence, public safety,
what plans if you're

525
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,700
reelected, please?

526
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:06,317
Well,
I think—pardon me.

527
00:23:06,317 --> 00:23:10,096
And one of the things that
I'm very proud of is the work

528
00:23:10,096 --> 00:23:14,732
that I joined with many of
my colleagues in eliminating

529
00:23:14,732 --> 00:23:19,836
ghost guns, including the
3-D printing of these guns.

530
00:23:19,837 --> 00:23:23,623
Probably one of the most
important pieces of legislation

531
00:23:23,623 --> 00:23:26,988
that we had was on the gun
buybacks that have become very

532
00:23:26,988 --> 00:23:28,636
popular across the country.

533
00:23:28,636 --> 00:23:32,471
We actually now have
directed law enforcement

534
00:23:32,471 --> 00:23:37,094
to destroy those guns that
are unclaimed or voluntarily

535
00:23:37,094 --> 00:23:41,420
surrendered, so that we don't
get them on the street.

536
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:45,969
But in addition to that, I
think we have also made the

537
00:23:45,969 --> 00:23:51,047
connection between violence
in our streets and trauma in

538
00:23:51,047 --> 00:23:55,807
our students' lives by making
sure we don't run active

539
00:23:55,807 --> 00:23:58,557
shooter drills in our schools.

540
00:23:58,557 --> 00:24:01,097
So, I mean, it
traumatizes our kids.

541
00:24:01,097 --> 00:24:03,220
It traumatizes the staff.

542
00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:05,019
I know you want to go on.

543
00:24:05,019 --> 00:24:05,419
Yeah, I'm sorry.

544
00:24:05,419 --> 00:24:07,597
I just want to make sure that
we cover some more ground here.

545
00:24:07,597 --> 00:24:09,617
Kelabe, did you have a
thought about gun violence?

546
00:24:09,617 --> 00:24:12,365
Yeah, I think it's something
that's plagued our

547
00:24:12,365 --> 00:24:13,880
district for far too long.

548
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,740
You talk to anyone in our
district, they have a story,

549
00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:19,346
whether that's themselves
or somebody in their

550
00:24:19,346 --> 00:24:20,778
family or one degree away.

551
00:24:21,857 --> 00:24:24,442
And for me, I think when
we are looking at the

552
00:24:24,442 --> 00:24:27,317
gun violence issue in our
district, we've got to

553
00:24:27,317 --> 00:24:29,038
tackle it at the root causes.

554
00:24:29,038 --> 00:24:32,200
And I think that should
be our approach here.

555
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,057
For me, I think when you look
at the stats of the folks

556
00:24:35,057 --> 00:24:40,038
that are incarcerated, if you
look at the amount of kids

557
00:24:40,038 --> 00:24:43,597
that get into trouble, a lot of
times we're seeing kids getting

558
00:24:43,597 --> 00:24:47,116
into trouble either through
crimes of poverty or because,

559
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,617
you know, they don't see a
pathway out for themselves.

560
00:24:50,617 --> 00:24:55,307
And so I think education is
that tool that we can use

561
00:24:55,307 --> 00:24:59,660
to be a leader as a state
to tackle gun violence.

562
00:24:59,660 --> 00:25:02,746
Right. If you look at the
stats of people that are

563
00:25:02,746 --> 00:25:06,296
incarcerated, I think it's
over 70 percent of folks are

564
00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:08,380
reading at a fourth grade level.

565
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:11,086
Literacy is a is a way
that we can solve this.

566
00:25:11,086 --> 00:25:12,740
And so I'll leave it short.

567
00:25:12,740 --> 00:25:13,182
Thank you.

568
00:25:13,182 --> 00:25:13,630
I'm sorry.

569
00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:14,865
There's so much I want to cover

570
00:25:14,865 --> 00:25:17,094
here. And I need to do the
20-second version if I could.

571
00:25:17,094 --> 00:25:18,328
Your top three endorsements.

572
00:25:18,328 --> 00:25:20,063
We're talking about
the 37th district.

573
00:25:20,063 --> 00:25:21,547
A lot of different
viewpoints, a lot

574
00:25:21,547 --> 00:25:23,526
of different diverse
political affiliations.

575
00:25:23,526 --> 00:25:24,813
Talk to me about your top three.

576
00:25:24,813 --> 00:25:26,096
Keep it to 20
seconds if you can.

577
00:25:26,096 --> 00:25:29,478
It's tough to pick
three, but I'll stick

578
00:25:29,478 --> 00:25:33,778
with WEA, the Washington
Educators Association,

579
00:25:33,778 --> 00:25:36,596
largest educators
union in the state.

580
00:25:36,596 --> 00:25:38,576
They've endorsed me.

581
00:25:38,576 --> 00:25:42,538
Girmay Zahilay, executive
for King County and a

582
00:25:42,538 --> 00:25:46,150
resident in the 37th, and
many parallels with our

583
00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:48,057
political journeys as well.

584
00:25:48,057 --> 00:25:52,008
And then I will also add
Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal

585
00:25:52,008 --> 00:25:54,239
just endorsed us this weekend.

586
00:25:54,239 --> 00:25:55,113
Thank you for that.

587
00:25:55,113 --> 00:25:57,076
Your top three
endorsements, if you could.

588
00:25:57,076 --> 00:25:57,807
Thank you.

589
00:25:57,807 --> 00:26:00,958
I'm very, very proud to
have the endorsement of

590
00:26:00,958 --> 00:26:04,737
Seattle City Council President
Joy Hollingsworth, as

591
00:26:04,737 --> 00:26:08,096
well as former King County
Council Member Larry

592
00:26:08,096 --> 00:26:12,584
Gossett, a civil rights icon,
both of whom are generational

593
00:26:12,584 --> 00:26:16,209
residents of the 37th
Legislative District.

594
00:26:16,209 --> 00:26:19,660
And I'm most proud
to be the sole endorser

595
00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:22,856
of the 37th Legislative
District Democrats.

596
00:26:22,856 --> 00:26:23,700
Okay, thank you for that.

597
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:24,979
Time for closing statements.

598
00:26:24,979 --> 00:26:25,979
Got to keep it to a minute.

599
00:26:25,979 --> 00:26:26,720
Kelabe, you're first.

600
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,960
I'll try to keep it to a minute.

601
00:26:30,219 --> 00:26:31,999
Again, Kelabe Tewolde.

602
00:26:31,999 --> 00:26:33,396
I was born and raised here.

603
00:26:33,396 --> 00:26:35,381
I think we need to have
a new generation of

604
00:26:35,381 --> 00:26:36,778
leadership down in Olympia.

605
00:26:36,778 --> 00:26:41,575
We have not seen progress made
in the past 28 years as much

606
00:26:41,575 --> 00:26:44,979
as we should on education,
on housing reform that

607
00:26:44,979 --> 00:26:47,356
makes sure that this
place is more affordable.

608
00:26:48,376 --> 00:26:51,246
I have moved around way
too often, and I've seen

609
00:26:51,246 --> 00:26:54,259
my students have to deal
with the impacts of that,

610
00:26:54,259 --> 00:26:55,996
and we need to make
sure that we are making

611
00:26:55,996 --> 00:26:58,403
housing more affordable,
whether that is through

612
00:26:58,403 --> 00:27:01,419
zoning reform and making sure
that we have enough stock,

613
00:27:01,419 --> 00:27:05,278
as well as providing
protections for our tenants,

614
00:27:05,278 --> 00:27:08,019
whether that is transparency
in their rental bills

615
00:27:08,019 --> 00:27:12,625
or with focuses on making
sure that we're regulating

616
00:27:12,625 --> 00:27:16,499
things like ratio
utility billing systems,

617
00:27:16,499 --> 00:27:18,159
which are high cost for folks.

618
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:22,376
And, yeah, I'm ready to be
a leader down in Olympia.

619
00:27:22,376 --> 00:27:24,077
Okay. One minute,
please, to wrap up.

620
00:27:24,077 --> 00:27:25,659
Well, thank you.

621
00:27:25,659 --> 00:27:28,805
Both as a legislator, but
probably more important,

622
00:27:28,805 --> 00:27:31,219
as a member of this
community for a very,

623
00:27:31,219 --> 00:27:32,405
very long time.

624
00:27:32,405 --> 00:27:34,692
I come back to three key ideas.

625
00:27:34,692 --> 00:27:38,439
One, people should be
allowed to continue to live

626
00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:41,817
in the neighborhoods
that they call home.

627
00:27:41,817 --> 00:27:44,326
Second, I think that people are

628
00:27:44,326 --> 00:27:48,684
entitled to some basic
amenities in their communities,

629
00:27:48,684 --> 00:27:52,836
those being safe streets,
strong schools and reliable

630
00:27:54,136 --> 00:27:59,806
And the last thing I would say
is, everyone should live in

631
00:27:59,806 --> 00:28:05,188
a place where they can feel
free from discrimination, from

632
00:28:05,188 --> 00:28:10,239
hostility and from targeting
because of who they are, where

633
00:28:10,239 --> 00:28:13,837
they come from,
or how they identify.

634
00:28:13,837 --> 00:28:14,999
Thank you very much for that.

635
00:28:14,999 --> 00:28:17,396
And we will be right back.

636
00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:21,048
What are people saying online
about the race for District

637
00:28:21,048 --> 00:28:22,798
37's Position 1 House seat?

638
00:28:22,798 --> 00:28:26,211
One person writes, Kelabe
Tewolde, thank you for

639
00:28:26,211 --> 00:28:30,199
giving the 37th a fighting
chance to grow forward together.

640
00:28:30,199 --> 00:28:32,669
Another says, Sharon
Tomiko Santos has

641
00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:36,096
spent decades listening to
and working with communities,

642
00:28:36,096 --> 00:28:38,846
and I value her efforts
to advance equity

643
00:28:38,846 --> 00:28:40,298
and representation.

644
00:28:40,298 --> 00:28:42,200
We'd like to know
what you think.

645
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,817
Send us an email at contact
at seattlechannel.org

646
00:28:45,817 --> 00:28:48,136
or find us on social media.

647
00:28:48,136 --> 00:28:50,636
Great to get that input, and
a big thanks to Kelabe Tewolde

648
00:28:50,636 --> 00:28:52,459
and Representative
Sharon Tomiko Santos.

649
00:28:52,459 --> 00:28:53,538
Thank you for being here.

650
00:28:53,538 --> 00:28:54,159
Thank you.

651
00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:55,159
I'm Brian Callanan.

652
00:28:55,159 --> 00:28:56,896
We'll see you next time
on City Inside Out.

653
00:28:59,259 --> 00:29:16,999
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