1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,799 Hello, I'm your host, Brian Callanan. 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:09,580 It's an unsettled time for Seattle politics. 3 00:00:09,580 --> 00:00:11,958 After a fatal shooting at Seattle Center and 4 00:00:11,958 --> 00:00:14,660 a serious breakdown in emergency communication, 5 00:00:14,660 --> 00:00:18,254 Mayor Katie Wilson requested and received the resignation 6 00:00:18,254 --> 00:00:19,980 of Police Chief Shon Barnes. 7 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:22,786 City Council members and many others have been critical 8 00:00:22,786 --> 00:00:24,039 of the Mayor's decision. 9 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:26,870 So what sort of confidence does the council have in her 10 00:00:26,870 --> 00:00:28,320 leadership going forward? 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,117 I'm with City Council President Joy Hollingsworth and 12 00:00:31,117 --> 00:00:34,362 Council Member Maritza Rivera to discuss this issue and the 13 00:00:34,362 --> 00:00:37,533 questions you're sending in too, next on City Inside 14 00:00:37,533 --> 00:00:39,000 Out, Council Edition. 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,048 And I think every single gun violence issue in our city 16 00:00:43,048 --> 00:00:46,518 deserves this type of response, this type of energy, 17 00:00:46,518 --> 00:00:47,798 these type of resources. 18 00:00:47,798 --> 00:00:49,936 We're not big fans of surveillance. 19 00:00:49,936 --> 00:00:51,359 I wish we didn't need it. 20 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:53,786 But the fact is, when crime happens, they 21 00:00:53,786 --> 00:00:55,000 do help solve crime. 22 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,759 All that and more coming up next on City Inside 23 00:00:57,759 --> 00:00:59,140 Out, Council Edition. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,816 Thanks again for joining us on City Inside Out Council Edition 25 00:01:20,816 --> 00:01:22,578 here on the Seattle Channel. 26 00:01:22,578 --> 00:01:24,480 Brian Callanan here with you and here with me. 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,305 I'm very glad to have Councilmember Maritza Rivera, 28 00:01:27,305 --> 00:01:29,938 who represents District 4 in Northeast Seattle, 29 00:01:29,938 --> 00:01:32,599 from Ravenna through to the U District up to Windermere. 30 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:34,299 Very much appreciate you taking the time. 31 00:01:34,299 --> 00:01:36,180 Thank you, Brian, for having me here. 32 00:01:36,180 --> 00:01:39,180 Also with us is Council President Joy Hollingsworth, 33 00:01:39,180 --> 00:01:41,433 who also represents District 3 from Eastlake down 34 00:01:41,433 --> 00:01:42,560 to the Central District. 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Thank you for being here, too. 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,640 Thank you for having me. 37 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,400 Let's jump into it. 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,531 And, Council President Hollingsworth, I want to 39 00:01:47,531 --> 00:01:49,768 talk to you first about the council's relationship 40 00:01:49,768 --> 00:01:52,233 with the mayor right now, following her decision to ask 41 00:01:52,233 --> 00:01:55,087 Seattle Police Chief Shon Barnes to resign after the shooting 42 00:01:55,087 --> 00:01:56,459 at Bite of Seattle last month. 43 00:01:56,459 --> 00:01:59,177 As the news about the resignation was announced a few 44 00:01:59,177 --> 00:02:02,191 weeks ago, you told KOMO News, I believe this decision to ask 45 00:02:02,191 --> 00:02:05,019 a police chief to resign or to let him go is irresponsible, 46 00:02:05,019 --> 00:02:07,665 and it's a tad bit reckless, and it puts us in a very 47 00:02:07,665 --> 00:02:09,280 difficult position as a city. 48 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,818 We are recording this program soon after the news came out 49 00:02:11,818 --> 00:02:14,306 that two Seattle residents have actually filed a recall 50 00:02:14,306 --> 00:02:15,580 petition against the mayor. 51 00:02:15,580 --> 00:02:17,280 I just want to put this in perspective here. 52 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,699 A judge is reviewing that to see if it'll go forward. 53 00:02:19,699 --> 00:02:21,340 I feel like I need to ask you directly. 54 00:02:21,340 --> 00:02:22,900 Do you think the mayor should step down? 55 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:24,419 Is that where we are right now? 56 00:02:24,419 --> 00:02:26,877 No, the recall, that's none of my business. 57 00:02:26,877 --> 00:02:28,437 That will be handled in the courts. 58 00:02:28,437 --> 00:02:31,680 I'm focused and I know my colleagues are focused on the 59 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,383 continuing improvement of the relationship with the council 60 00:02:35,383 --> 00:02:37,877 and the mayor's office to make sure that we can run the city 61 00:02:37,877 --> 00:02:40,865 well people want to know that their government is working from 62 00:02:40,865 --> 00:02:43,941 from the executive branch the Legislative branch and so that's 63 00:02:43,941 --> 00:02:46,929 what we're committed to making sure that that communication 64 00:02:46,929 --> 00:02:49,800 is tight that we're working together on issues to solve for 65 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,497 the community. -- Got it 66 00:02:50,497 --> 00:02:53,740 Councilmember Rivera. You're a member of the Public Safety Committee 67 00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:56,639 and I know you take that role very seriously. 68 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,740 I know that you and many other council members 69 00:02:58,740 --> 00:03:01,199 were very supportive of now former Chief Barnes. 70 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:03,360 You put out a press release as the reports were starting 71 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,139 to come in about the resignation. 72 00:03:05,139 --> 00:03:07,318 Mayor Wilson's lack of experience and her incompetence 73 00:03:07,318 --> 00:03:10,049 have led to poor decision-making and put the safety of 74 00:03:10,049 --> 00:03:11,419 our communities at risk. 75 00:03:11,419 --> 00:03:12,680 I wanted to talk about this. 76 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,840 Is the mayor's decision-making enough of a safety risk 77 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,657 in your mind that she needs to step down? 78 00:03:17,657 --> 00:03:20,437 I just want to make sure I asked you the same question too. 79 00:03:20,437 --> 00:03:22,960 Yeah, no, I agree with Council President. 80 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,460 That is not, you know, for me to say. 81 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:29,983 I'm focused on making sure that we're building relationship with 82 00:03:29,983 --> 00:03:33,186 the mayor's office in the same way I've been doing all along, 83 00:03:33,186 --> 00:03:34,979 actually, since she got started. 84 00:03:34,979 --> 00:03:38,060 Her success is our collective success as a city. 85 00:03:38,060 --> 00:03:40,020 And so I'm going to continue to do my part. 86 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:43,174 That's what my constituents want me to do is to stay focused 87 00:03:43,174 --> 00:03:46,006 on the issues and to build that relationship with the 88 00:03:46,006 --> 00:03:49,157 mayor's office because we all succeed if we work together. 89 00:03:49,157 --> 00:03:51,240 Has something changed in between? 90 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,401 It feels like a long time ago now, but just a few 91 00:03:53,401 --> 00:03:55,967 weeks ago when the shooting happened to now to restore 92 00:03:55,967 --> 00:03:58,360 some of your confidence in working with the mayor. 93 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,020 Can you talk to me about that? 94 00:04:00,020 --> 00:04:01,758 Well, nothing has changed for me. 95 00:04:01,758 --> 00:04:04,991 And as far as since this new administration came on board, 96 00:04:04,991 --> 00:04:06,538 the job is to work together. 97 00:04:06,538 --> 00:04:08,217 and I take that really seriously. 98 00:04:08,217 --> 00:04:11,080 So for me, I'm gonna continue, like I said earlier, 99 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,699 to work with her. 100 00:04:12,699 --> 00:04:15,937 I have seen her since and we've chatted 101 00:04:15,937 --> 00:04:18,199 and I've chatted with some members of her staff, 102 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:19,944 including her deputy mayor and the director 103 00:04:19,944 --> 00:04:22,420 of public safety, and I'm gonna continue to do so. 104 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:23,379 That's the job. 105 00:04:23,379 --> 00:04:25,697 Like I said, I take it seriously and we need to to 106 00:04:25,697 --> 00:04:28,300 address the issues of our mutual constituents. 107 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:28,879 - Thank you. 108 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:30,620 Council President, some thoughts about 109 00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:32,519 what was happening then and what you were thinking then 110 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:34,699 and where we are now in terms of that relationship. 111 00:04:34,699 --> 00:04:35,326 Is it changing? 112 00:04:35,326 --> 00:04:35,903 Is it growing? 113 00:04:35,903 --> 00:04:36,579 What's going on? 114 00:04:36,579 --> 00:04:39,249 Yeah, I think the comments that people made last week 115 00:04:39,249 --> 00:04:42,040 were about actions that were made at that point in time. 116 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,216 I don't want to conflate that with, like, what does 117 00:04:44,216 --> 00:04:45,459 the relationship look like? 118 00:04:45,459 --> 00:04:48,920 I still stand behind my comments regarding those actions. 119 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,970 But we also know that we have a new interim police chief 120 00:04:52,970 --> 00:04:54,860 with police chief Sayles. 121 00:04:54,860 --> 00:04:57,651 And we're going to support his success because his success 122 00:04:57,651 --> 00:04:59,019 is the community's success. 123 00:04:59,019 --> 00:05:01,879 It's Seattle success, and that's what we're focused on. 124 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:05,439 All the other noise that is happening I think really has 125 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:08,920 taken away from the shooters that are still out there. 126 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,552 And then also, too, not only that, are the shooters 127 00:05:11,552 --> 00:05:14,778 that the unsolved mysteries, Conner Dassa-Holland, Amarr 128 00:05:14,778 --> 00:05:17,524 Murphy-Paine, the other shooters that are out 129 00:05:17,524 --> 00:05:20,192 there that we don't know, that we still want the 130 00:05:20,192 --> 00:05:23,199 police chief and the police department to solve as well. 131 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,732 I got a question about that coming up in a little bit, but I 132 00:05:25,732 --> 00:05:28,533 do want to shift to this police response, if I could, following 133 00:05:28,533 --> 00:05:29,720 the shooting on July 26th. 134 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,855 I want to begin with this active investigation 135 00:05:31,855 --> 00:05:33,060 that's going on right now. 136 00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:35,805 So the council had a briefing about this here in mid-August, 137 00:05:35,805 --> 00:05:38,168 just a couple days before we recorded this show, and 138 00:05:38,168 --> 00:05:40,860 heard about the many officers who ran towards the gunfire. 139 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:42,184 They assessed the scene there. 140 00:05:42,184 --> 00:05:44,067 They provided medical aid on the scene to the 141 00:05:44,067 --> 00:05:45,338 shooting victims there, too. 142 00:05:45,338 --> 00:05:47,894 Three people were killed, four were injured, 143 00:05:47,894 --> 00:05:49,439 including a two-year-old. 144 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:52,401 There are still apparently a suspect or suspects that the 145 00:05:52,401 --> 00:05:54,709 SPD is trying to track down, but there are a lot of 146 00:05:54,709 --> 00:05:56,120 challenges involved with that. 147 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,122 Here's how Interim Chief Andre Sayles responded to a question 148 00:05:59,122 --> 00:06:01,281 from Councilmember Saka about the need for 149 00:06:01,281 --> 00:06:03,862 transparency from Seattle Police when it comes to 150 00:06:03,862 --> 00:06:05,399 finding one or more suspects. 151 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:08,221 I'm trying to be as transparent as possible without losing the 152 00:06:08,221 --> 00:06:09,740 integrity of the investigation. 153 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:12,742 as much as I want to give all the information that we have at 154 00:06:12,742 --> 00:06:15,764 the same time that we have to understand that when the 155 00:06:15,764 --> 00:06:18,785 information is put out there and it either going 156 00:06:18,785 --> 00:06:21,701 to help us that suspect person of interest may get 157 00:06:21,701 --> 00:06:25,139 that information because let's face it they do watch the news 158 00:06:25,139 --> 00:06:27,245 because they have to be ahead of what we're doing 159 00:06:27,245 --> 00:06:29,300 it gives them an opportunity to leave this area 160 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:31,406 council member Rivera you were at that meeting 161 00:06:31,406 --> 00:06:33,620 were you satisfied with the chief's answer there 162 00:06:33,620 --> 00:06:34,062 for one. 163 00:06:34,062 --> 00:06:36,153 And is there any information you have on 164 00:06:36,153 --> 00:06:37,927 potential suspects in this case? 165 00:06:37,927 --> 00:06:38,879 Where are we here? 166 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:41,422 I don't have information about potential suspects. 167 00:06:41,422 --> 00:06:43,560 I actually missed that particular meeting, 168 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,764 but I did watch it. 169 00:06:44,764 --> 00:06:47,492 Some of the heroic efforts of both SPD and 170 00:06:47,492 --> 00:06:52,134 our fire department were missed as part of the post incident 171 00:06:52,134 --> 00:06:56,331 lack of communication between, you know, that 172 00:06:56,331 --> 00:06:59,778 was coming out of the Mayor's office the lack of 173 00:06:59,778 --> 00:07:02,800 information and the lack of timely information. 174 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,060 But I want to uplift the fact that SPD and Fire did a great 175 00:07:06,060 --> 00:07:09,129 job responding, and we've heard that from many of our 176 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:12,220 constituents, and I don't want that to get lost in this 177 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:13,240 particular case. 178 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,867 And as far as I don't have more information than anyone else 179 00:07:17,867 --> 00:07:21,204 about suspects, but I trust that SPD is doing 180 00:07:21,204 --> 00:07:22,699 the investigations. 181 00:07:22,699 --> 00:07:26,100 I do think that, you know, we should be looking, and I'm going 182 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:28,959 to bring up the opportunity to talk about cameras, 183 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:31,759 because I think those would be very helpful as 184 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:33,600 you're investigating crime. 185 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,382 It doesn't help deter crime, but it does help 186 00:07:37,382 --> 00:07:39,939 investigate crime in my mind. 187 00:07:39,939 --> 00:07:42,199 Do you have concerns about that transparency part, though? 188 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:44,240 I know Councilmember Saka was trying to get at that. 189 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,740 I know a lot of people are frustrated. 190 00:07:45,740 --> 00:07:47,240 Wait, wait, is there one suspect? 191 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:47,778 Is there two? 192 00:07:47,778 --> 00:07:48,600 And that kind of a thing. 193 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,860 Some thoughts about that? 194 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:53,420 Yeah, we should have as much information as we can get. 195 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:56,564 I am not a police officer or investigator, so I 196 00:07:56,564 --> 00:07:59,959 don't know exactly how these investigations go. 197 00:07:59,959 --> 00:08:03,502 But I think, Brian, overall the issue was that an incident 198 00:08:03,502 --> 00:08:06,749 happened and the public had to wait many hours before 199 00:08:06,749 --> 00:08:08,519 any information was shared. 200 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:10,480 So I do support transparency. 201 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,276 I wish we had had more timely information, even if it 202 00:08:14,276 --> 00:08:17,288 was just to say right away, we don't have a lot of 203 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:19,423 information, but this is what we do have. 204 00:08:19,423 --> 00:08:20,680 And that did not happen. 205 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,836 And I'm going to dive a little more into information and 206 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:24,447 how it was released or not released in just a 207 00:08:24,447 --> 00:08:24,867 little bit. 208 00:08:24,867 --> 00:08:26,249 But Council President Hollingsworth, 209 00:08:26,249 --> 00:08:28,100 I want to talk about the response to the shooting 210 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:30,163 because you touched on something that we actually 211 00:08:30,163 --> 00:08:31,000 got a message about. 212 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Omari Salisbury of Converge Media brought this up on social 213 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:34,840 media recently. 214 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,460 The city council wants to know if there 215 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:37,860 is a killer on the loose from the Seattle 216 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:39,879 Center shooting, that is a good question. 217 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,177 However, we know there is a killer on the loose 218 00:08:42,177 --> 00:08:44,320 from the murder of Amarr Murphy-Paine, Conner 219 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,580 Dassa-Holland, Tyrone Love and so many more, 220 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:49,240 hoping that the city government keeps the 221 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,740 same energy to bring justice to so many 222 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:54,024 families who lost loved ones in the Emerald City. 223 00:08:54,024 --> 00:08:55,250 How do you respond to that? 224 00:08:55,250 --> 00:08:56,860 You were touching on this earlier. 225 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:58,572 Absolutely. We've heard that before 226 00:08:58,572 --> 00:09:00,778 when we had a press conference with - about Aurora 227 00:09:00,778 --> 00:09:03,028 girls and people said, hey, this is great that 228 00:09:03,028 --> 00:09:05,519 we're paying attention to Aurora and the gunfire, 229 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:07,394 but what about Southeast Seattle? 230 00:09:07,394 --> 00:09:09,721 And we talked about how Southeast Seattle, 231 00:09:09,721 --> 00:09:12,321 these stats that I'm I'm always talking about 232 00:09:12,321 --> 00:09:15,629 13% of the population, but 30% of the gun violence 233 00:09:15,629 --> 00:09:17,927 that is in our city and putting extra 234 00:09:17,927 --> 00:09:18,899 attention there. 235 00:09:18,899 --> 00:09:20,860 And these are things that come up 236 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:24,057 when people see the city react like this 237 00:09:24,057 --> 00:09:26,399 and understanding and wanting to know, 238 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,798 well, how come we didn't react to this 239 00:09:28,798 --> 00:09:32,024 with a murder in South Seattle or the two young kids that 240 00:09:32,024 --> 00:09:33,820 were killed in Rainier Beach? 241 00:09:33,820 --> 00:09:36,580 These are things that people are always asking about. 242 00:09:36,580 --> 00:09:40,629 And I think every single gun violence issue in our city 243 00:09:40,629 --> 00:09:44,729 deserves this type of response, this type of energy, these type 244 00:09:44,729 --> 00:09:47,940 of resources, and this type of concern and sense of urgency. 245 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:50,620 It's unacceptable any time that happens in our city. 246 00:09:50,620 --> 00:09:53,192 It feels like a good time maybe to start talking about 247 00:09:53,192 --> 00:09:55,940 the work the council wants to do to prevent gun violence. 248 00:09:55,940 --> 00:09:57,879 And, Council President, let me start with you here. 249 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:01,125 You recently sponsored an amendment to the city's 250 00:10:01,125 --> 00:10:04,836 mid-year supplemental budget to reallocate $250,000 in 251 00:10:04,836 --> 00:10:08,316 unused funding from the SPD's Real-Time Crime Center 252 00:10:08,316 --> 00:10:11,639 to go towards violence interruption ambassadors. 253 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:14,509 This funding is unused because the mayor's put this pause 254 00:10:14,509 --> 00:10:17,379 on deploying closed-circuit TV cameras on Capitol Hill. 255 00:10:17,379 --> 00:10:19,663 This was a contentious decision, I know, for the 256 00:10:19,663 --> 00:10:22,177 council going back and forth and talking about this. 257 00:10:22,177 --> 00:10:24,527 Can you tell us why you made this move and what impact 258 00:10:24,527 --> 00:10:26,820 you think these violence interrupters will have? 259 00:10:26,820 --> 00:10:30,316 Yeah, so it's been known I've supported cameras in our city 260 00:10:30,316 --> 00:10:32,100 throughout different areas. 261 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:34,580 We have them in three big hotspots downtown. 262 00:10:34,580 --> 00:10:37,418 We have them in CID and then up north in Aurora. 263 00:10:37,418 --> 00:10:38,500 We wanted to expand them. 264 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:39,700 They went in SODO. 265 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:41,889 The program was paused for Capitol Hill and 266 00:10:41,889 --> 00:10:44,322 Central District where we heard from residents 267 00:10:44,322 --> 00:10:45,600 and people on both sides. 268 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,600 OK, so this is very contentious. 269 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,320 Fast forward, those were not installed. 270 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,860 And so now we're getting towards the end of the year and made 271 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:57,254 a decision after two major gun violence pieces that have 272 00:10:57,254 --> 00:11:00,504 happened in Capitol Hill to say, you know what, we need 273 00:11:00,504 --> 00:11:02,239 eyes on the ground right now. 274 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,485 And so made the decision to take money because I don't 275 00:11:04,485 --> 00:11:06,580 know if we're going to turn them on, turn them off. 276 00:11:06,580 --> 00:11:08,460 We've seen that happen with SODO. 277 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:09,677 We turned them on for guests. 278 00:11:09,677 --> 00:11:11,399 We turned them off for residents. 279 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:13,850 Now we're at a point where people are wanting 280 00:11:13,850 --> 00:11:14,980 folks on the ground. 281 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:18,139 I thank Councilmember Rivera and my other colleagues who voted 282 00:11:18,139 --> 00:11:21,057 in support of this because they know how important this is. 283 00:11:21,057 --> 00:11:22,519 And I have to deal with this every day. 284 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,302 I have to deal with the gun violence victims, the folks 285 00:11:25,302 --> 00:11:28,144 that are losing folks, the businesses that are getting 286 00:11:28,144 --> 00:11:30,743 bullet holes shot through them, the folks that are 287 00:11:30,743 --> 00:11:34,019 terrorized, you know, that are experiencing this all the time. 288 00:11:34,019 --> 00:11:37,283 And also, too, Brian, the fallout with, you 289 00:11:37,283 --> 00:11:40,639 know, some people can go home and go to sleep. 290 00:11:40,639 --> 00:11:43,589 But there are some folks like us that are so connected to the 291 00:11:43,589 --> 00:11:46,720 community that have to deal with the mom that lost her husband. 292 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,979 And now she's about to lose her home and she needs help. 293 00:11:48,980 --> 00:11:50,792 So she's asking for resources. 294 00:11:50,792 --> 00:11:53,649 The friend that's jumping on sofa to sofa because 295 00:11:53,649 --> 00:11:56,440 she lost her partner, right, from gun violence. 296 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,960 This is the this is the this is the impact that it's having. 297 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,875 This isn't this is beyond policy. 298 00:12:02,875 --> 00:12:04,860 This is real life every single day. 299 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:08,129 And if I know I can do one thing with that vote to put people 300 00:12:08,129 --> 00:12:11,259 on the ground, I would do that vote over and over again. 301 00:12:11,259 --> 00:12:13,240 Yeah. And can you tell me what violence interrupters 302 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,038 are and what they're going to actually be doing? 303 00:12:15,038 --> 00:12:17,471 Yeah, there are people on the ground that de-escalate 304 00:12:17,471 --> 00:12:18,879 situations before they arise. 305 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:19,293 Not police. 306 00:12:19,293 --> 00:12:20,038 These are different. 307 00:12:20,038 --> 00:12:22,278 No, these are folks that are going to be out at night. 308 00:12:22,278 --> 00:12:24,210 So what I've heard from community on Capitol Hill 309 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:26,139 and Central District, they want people at night. 310 00:12:26,139 --> 00:12:29,158 They want folks engaging with people before stuff happens. 311 00:12:29,158 --> 00:12:30,971 They want to make sure that things are safe 312 00:12:30,971 --> 00:12:32,057 around in the community. 313 00:12:32,057 --> 00:12:33,778 We had the Torchlight Parade last year. 314 00:12:33,778 --> 00:12:37,562 We had gun-violent prevention folks on the ground preventing 315 00:12:37,562 --> 00:12:39,379 fights before they happened. 316 00:12:39,379 --> 00:12:41,798 We had them at Umoja Fest. 317 00:12:41,798 --> 00:12:43,440 People were there preventing stuff. 318 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,230 We also had SPD there, you know, people were getting in 319 00:12:46,230 --> 00:12:48,899 fights. There were no guns, but it was like, you know 320 00:12:48,899 --> 00:12:51,393 We're creating a sense of calmness and safety for 321 00:12:51,393 --> 00:12:53,764 people and that's what we want on Capitol Hill. 322 00:12:53,764 --> 00:12:56,158 We want proactiveness Got it and councilmember 323 00:12:56,158 --> 00:12:58,940 Rivera. I wanted to talk about this when it comes to these 324 00:12:58,940 --> 00:13:01,562 closed-circuit TV cameras You've just talked about 325 00:13:01,562 --> 00:13:02,586 it. You're a big fan. 326 00:13:02,586 --> 00:13:03,913 And I know that the council 327 00:13:03,913 --> 00:13:06,686 president is too with this vote Well, yeah, you support 328 00:13:06,686 --> 00:13:07,649 it. You support it. 329 00:13:07,649 --> 00:13:09,339 Maybe that's a better way to put it 330 00:13:09,340 --> 00:13:11,625 I guess, though, when people were looking at this vote, 331 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:13,672 they're like, wait, you're taking money away from 332 00:13:13,672 --> 00:13:14,840 closed-circuit TV cameras. 333 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,649 And I want you to help try to parse this out because this 334 00:13:17,649 --> 00:13:20,399 was a difficult thing for some people to understand. 335 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:23,725 So the mid-year supplemental is supposed to be where we 336 00:13:23,725 --> 00:13:27,051 look at for the budget for that year and any adjustments 337 00:13:27,051 --> 00:13:28,278 that we need to make. 338 00:13:28,278 --> 00:13:32,158 It's not really meant to take up whole new bodies of work. 339 00:13:32,158 --> 00:13:35,485 I support a council president's add because I know, and I 340 00:13:35,485 --> 00:13:38,902 have prior experience at the City of Seattle, including in 341 00:13:38,902 --> 00:13:42,197 the budget space, that at this time of the year, between now 342 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,937 and the end of the year, to be able to utilize all that funding 343 00:13:45,937 --> 00:13:49,173 for the cameras, given what council president said earlier, 344 00:13:49,173 --> 00:13:51,658 the fact that they're not being installed or turned on, 345 00:13:51,658 --> 00:13:54,461 it's unlikely we're going to spend that money through 346 00:13:54,461 --> 00:13:55,460 the end of the year. 347 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:57,822 And because I know that residents on Capitol 348 00:13:57,822 --> 00:14:00,379 Hill, because I know folks on Capitol Hill, too, 349 00:14:00,379 --> 00:14:04,278 our friends on Capitol Hill, need response 350 00:14:04,278 --> 00:14:07,652 with safety issues, then to me it was prudent to 351 00:14:07,652 --> 00:14:11,066 use a small amount of the CCTV money that I know we don't have 352 00:14:11,066 --> 00:14:14,340 the ability to use by the end of the year for this purpose. 353 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:17,220 It was still to help in crime prevention. 354 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:20,538 We all support, we're not big fans of surveillance. 355 00:14:20,538 --> 00:14:22,200 I wish we didn't need it. 356 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,589 But the fact is when crime happens, they 357 00:14:24,589 --> 00:14:25,820 do help solve crime. 358 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:29,440 So I am in support of it, and I do want to continue that. 359 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,820 I want those cameras in SODO turned on. 360 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:34,451 I want the cameras on Capitol Hill installed 361 00:14:34,451 --> 00:14:35,658 and being utilized. 362 00:14:35,658 --> 00:14:36,399 It does help. 363 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:39,639 Even Seattle Center, I don't know how many cameras 364 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:41,340 are at the Seattle Center. 365 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:43,820 No one has answered that question. 366 00:14:43,820 --> 00:14:47,524 And, you know, in terms of doing investigations, 367 00:14:47,524 --> 00:14:50,484 do we have, you know, is there footage of what 368 00:14:50,484 --> 00:14:53,120 happened that will help us solve that crime? 369 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,220 They do serve a purpose, and we need to be honest about that. 370 00:14:57,220 --> 00:14:59,899 No one would want to use them, but here we are. 371 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:03,259 And they do help in crime investigations. 372 00:15:03,259 --> 00:15:04,580 I didn't mean to cut you off there, 373 00:15:04,580 --> 00:15:06,793 but I did want to talk about a proposal that you've 374 00:15:06,793 --> 00:15:08,524 been really working on when it comes to 375 00:15:08,524 --> 00:15:09,720 preventing gun violence. 376 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,080 This National Network of Safe Communities, 377 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,820 you hosted a symposium about NNSC, 378 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:16,500 as it's called here, a few months ago. 379 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:17,320 What is this program? 380 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,840 What could it do for Seattle? 381 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,960 I am hoping it will do what it's done 382 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,557 for other cities around the country, 383 00:15:23,557 --> 00:15:26,000 including Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, 384 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,538 South Bend, Indiana. 385 00:15:27,538 --> 00:15:30,000 It is an approach out of John Jay College 386 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,918 in New York City, evidence-based approach 387 00:15:32,918 --> 00:15:36,360 that's had 40 to 60% gun violence reduction 388 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,220 in those cities that I mentioned. 389 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:40,720 And we did have folks from Baltimore 390 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,860 and Philadelphia here as well as South Bend 391 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:49,240 to talk to us about how they implemented that effort here. 392 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,340 That effort is a carrot and a stick approach, if you will. 393 00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:56,899 It is a focused deterrence approach. 394 00:15:56,899 --> 00:15:57,798 That's what it is. 395 00:15:57,798 --> 00:16:01,764 It's something that they created, and so they go and they 396 00:16:01,764 --> 00:16:03,960 work with cities on the ground. 397 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,479 They don't bring people to Seattle to help do the work. 398 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,557 We have to do the work. 399 00:16:10,557 --> 00:16:12,278 It is a concept. 400 00:16:12,278 --> 00:16:14,057 There's a three-legged stool. 401 00:16:14,057 --> 00:16:17,864 It's law enforcement working with community and working 402 00:16:17,864 --> 00:16:21,826 with moral voices, what they call moral voices, to identify 403 00:16:21,826 --> 00:16:25,552 those folks in every city, whether it's here or anywhere 404 00:16:25,552 --> 00:16:29,514 else, any other city, excuse me, there's a small, very small 405 00:16:29,514 --> 00:16:33,320 percentage of the population engaged with gun violence. 406 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,076 So it's identifying those folks and focusing our efforts 407 00:16:37,076 --> 00:16:40,759 on getting those folks to stop engaging in gun violence. 408 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:44,418 If they need services, then we provide those services for them. 409 00:16:44,418 --> 00:16:47,488 But if they don't accept services and continue to engage 410 00:16:47,488 --> 00:16:50,360 in behavior, then there's going to be a consequence. 411 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,528 The accountability piece is what is part of 412 00:16:53,528 --> 00:16:55,200 this approach as well. 413 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,648 And it's not something that we're honestly 414 00:16:57,648 --> 00:16:58,940 doing here in Seattle. 415 00:16:58,940 --> 00:17:02,629 So my effort is to, you know, the symposium was to 416 00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:06,596 intro what it would be like to work with the National 417 00:17:06,596 --> 00:17:08,999 Network for Safe Communities. 418 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,325 Everyone was at the table there from my council 419 00:17:12,325 --> 00:17:13,856 president was there. 420 00:17:13,856 --> 00:17:16,865 Not all the colleagues could be there because of OPMA 421 00:17:16,865 --> 00:17:19,737 issues, but the mayor's office was there, the city 422 00:17:19,737 --> 00:17:23,018 attorney, the prosecuting attorney, public health, the 423 00:17:23,018 --> 00:17:25,000 community-based organizations. 424 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,950 Everyone was there at the table and it will take 425 00:17:27,950 --> 00:17:30,896 all of us who were at the table and even the folks 426 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:33,519 that weren't yet there to work together to 427 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,519 institute this effort here in Seattle and I hope 428 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:39,307 we will do it and it is my intent to bring a 429 00:17:39,307 --> 00:17:42,597 resolution saying that we are going to partner 430 00:17:42,597 --> 00:17:45,413 with NNSC to bring that effort here. 431 00:17:45,413 --> 00:17:47,760 I too want to see the 40 and 60 - to 432 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,192 60 percent gun violence reduction here in the city that 433 00:17:51,192 --> 00:17:54,357 they're seeing in our city that they're seeing in other cities. 434 00:17:54,357 --> 00:17:56,009 It's worth us looking at. 435 00:17:56,009 --> 00:17:58,373 We have all the tools in the toolbox. 436 00:17:58,373 --> 00:17:59,788 We need all the tools. 437 00:17:59,788 --> 00:18:01,009 It is all important. 438 00:18:01,009 --> 00:18:03,414 The violence interrupters are important. 439 00:18:03,414 --> 00:18:04,421 SPD is important. 440 00:18:04,421 --> 00:18:05,960 And all the partners that we 441 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,631 talked about are important. 442 00:18:07,631 --> 00:18:09,441 You can't just do one approach. 443 00:18:09,441 --> 00:18:11,597 And this approach is worth looking at 444 00:18:11,597 --> 00:18:14,750 and not just looking at implementing here because 445 00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:16,179 it's had such success. 446 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:16,616 Thank you. 447 00:18:16,616 --> 00:18:18,182 Looking forward to hearing more about 448 00:18:18,182 --> 00:18:20,038 that. I do want to head back to the aftermath of 449 00:18:20,038 --> 00:18:22,027 the Bite of Seattle shooting and talk about this 450 00:18:22,027 --> 00:18:24,159 communication breakdown that happened in the hours 451 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:24,871 following it. 452 00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:26,352 There was this delay of nearly 453 00:18:26,352 --> 00:18:28,900 five hours before police released any update on the 454 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:32,083 shooting, even with an apparent shooter or maybe shooters still 455 00:18:32,083 --> 00:18:32,555 at large. 456 00:18:32,555 --> 00:18:34,443 The mayor made one announcement about two and 457 00:18:34,443 --> 00:18:36,326 a half hours after the shooting with some erroneous 458 00:18:36,326 --> 00:18:38,980 information about who who was in custody here. 459 00:18:38,980 --> 00:18:40,940 The Seattle Times actually reported that the mayor 460 00:18:40,940 --> 00:18:43,557 was in touch with former Chief Gil Kerlikowske 461 00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:46,500 to investigate what happened, but he apparently backed out. 462 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,199 Council President Hollingsworth, I'm trying to figure 463 00:18:48,199 --> 00:18:49,525 out who's in charge of investigating 464 00:18:49,525 --> 00:18:50,420 this, what's going on? 465 00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:52,960 - So I know that there's been an investigation 466 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,919 with our OIG office. 467 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,057 - Office of the Inspector General. 468 00:18:57,057 --> 00:18:59,538 - Thank you, I know I speak in government terms. 469 00:18:59,538 --> 00:19:00,019 - Happens all the time. 470 00:19:00,019 --> 00:19:03,778 - Where I'm doing all these OIG, DEA, FBI. 471 00:19:03,778 --> 00:19:06,519 Okay, so that is happening. 472 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:09,616 And here's the thing, Brian, that I think is important. 473 00:19:09,617 --> 00:19:12,528 So there was just a shooting where an officer was 474 00:19:12,528 --> 00:19:14,057 shot at in South Seattle. 475 00:19:14,057 --> 00:19:16,517 There were three people involved, and other 476 00:19:16,517 --> 00:19:17,576 folks got injured. 477 00:19:17,577 --> 00:19:20,346 And there was communication from our police department 478 00:19:20,346 --> 00:19:22,463 shortly thereafter put out so people could 479 00:19:22,463 --> 00:19:23,876 understand what's going on. 480 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,713 So I know that there are systems in place to be able 481 00:19:26,713 --> 00:19:28,096 to get information out. 482 00:19:28,097 --> 00:19:30,180 I can't tell you why there was a delay. 483 00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:31,439 That is not for me to answer. 484 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,121 I know that the people will do their investigation 485 00:19:34,121 --> 00:19:36,419 piece and we'll get those reports and we'll 486 00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:37,337 get that information. 487 00:19:37,337 --> 00:19:39,285 I know the media will do their thing with 488 00:19:39,285 --> 00:19:41,817 investigating, getting emails and text messages. 489 00:19:41,817 --> 00:19:42,837 That's there. 490 00:19:42,837 --> 00:19:45,665 But I want to bring it back to we still want to 491 00:19:45,665 --> 00:19:47,240 have safe communities. 492 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,727 And there are still people that shot people and killed 493 00:19:49,727 --> 00:19:52,278 folks within our community that I want to focus on. 494 00:19:52,278 --> 00:19:54,679 And then also supporting our new chief. 495 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,989 So while that is going to take care of itself, finding 496 00:19:57,989 --> 00:20:01,221 out the five hour delay while people were, you know, 497 00:20:01,221 --> 00:20:04,909 hunkering down in place, they were in the armory, they were 498 00:20:04,909 --> 00:20:06,940 hiding, people were terrified. 499 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:09,067 Those answers will happen when they do. 500 00:20:09,067 --> 00:20:11,652 And we can focus as council members on the safety 501 00:20:11,652 --> 00:20:13,459 of our community moving forward. 502 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:13,738 Got it. 503 00:20:13,738 --> 00:20:15,220 Council Member Rivera, some thoughts 504 00:20:15,220 --> 00:20:16,008 about this, please. 505 00:20:16,008 --> 00:20:16,601 Yeah. Yeah. 506 00:20:16,601 --> 00:20:19,490 I just want to say, you know, at the end of the day, 507 00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:21,298 the buck stops with the mayor. 508 00:20:21,298 --> 00:20:25,684 So I will say the mayor is the boss of all the city 509 00:20:25,684 --> 00:20:28,499 departments, including SPD. 510 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:33,460 The mayor is the operations chief of the city. 511 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:36,819 And so the buck does stop with the mayor, and it was 512 00:20:36,819 --> 00:20:40,510 my expectation that during such an incident, we would 513 00:20:40,510 --> 00:20:44,038 have heard from the mayor sooner rather than later. 514 00:20:44,038 --> 00:20:47,326 Even if just to say this is what we know so far, 515 00:20:47,326 --> 00:20:51,057 and we don't have a lot of details, but more to come. 516 00:20:51,057 --> 00:20:54,875 And you can do multiple press conferences as 517 00:20:54,875 --> 00:20:56,940 the situation unfolds. 518 00:20:56,940 --> 00:21:00,125 I also wanted to hear, you know, I worked in a prior 519 00:21:00,125 --> 00:21:01,836 mayoral administration. 520 00:21:01,837 --> 00:21:06,880 So did the Emergency Operations Center get, you know, called? 521 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,900 Operationalized, yeah. 522 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:10,921 Operationalized. Thank you, Brian, because that 523 00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:14,478 is critical in this type of an incident where you have 524 00:21:14,478 --> 00:21:16,577 multiple folks that were shot. 525 00:21:16,577 --> 00:21:18,815 You know, this was a mass shooting. 526 00:21:18,815 --> 00:21:21,896 So to me, that seems like the EOC should have been 527 00:21:22,919 --> 00:21:26,019 activated because that also keeps all the city 528 00:21:26,019 --> 00:21:29,357 departments on the same page with the information 529 00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:31,432 and with having an action too. 530 00:21:31,432 --> 00:21:34,173 If you have to do something that will get 531 00:21:34,173 --> 00:21:36,432 disclosed as part of that activation. 532 00:21:36,432 --> 00:21:37,876 I hear what you're saying with regard 533 00:21:37,876 --> 00:21:39,700 to the buck stops with the mayor, but in terms of 534 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:41,796 of the Seattle Police Department, what sort 535 00:21:41,796 --> 00:21:43,778 of accountability do you lay with the SPD? 536 00:21:43,778 --> 00:21:46,385 Because they were in charge of that investigation, and they 537 00:21:46,385 --> 00:21:48,884 did not put out information, as they sometimes do in 538 00:21:48,884 --> 00:21:50,259 these different events. 539 00:21:50,259 --> 00:21:51,278 What are your thoughts about that? 540 00:21:51,278 --> 00:21:54,356 What role did the SPD play in this communication breakdown? 541 00:21:54,357 --> 00:21:57,275 And that remains to be seen, and that's part of 542 00:21:57,275 --> 00:21:59,038 the investigation for OIG. 543 00:21:59,038 --> 00:22:02,976 It seems we, you know, at the public safety meeting yesterday, 544 00:22:02,976 --> 00:22:06,836 there weren't answers about, you know, who was on deck first, 545 00:22:06,836 --> 00:22:10,545 who had the information first, who shared the information 546 00:22:10,545 --> 00:22:12,057 first, who shared what. 547 00:22:12,057 --> 00:22:16,342 And then subsequently, we also saw in the news that the public 548 00:22:16,342 --> 00:22:20,373 information officer for SPD said that they had, you know, 549 00:22:20,373 --> 00:22:24,740 wanted to do something sooner, and then it wasn't done sooner. 550 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:27,557 So there's a lot of missing information here. 551 00:22:27,557 --> 00:22:32,154 It was a little disappointing not to see the mayor's office 552 00:22:32,154 --> 00:22:36,660 at that public safety meeting not give more information, 553 00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:39,942 preliminary information before the OIG information 554 00:22:39,942 --> 00:22:41,038 on what happened. 555 00:22:41,038 --> 00:22:45,067 I mean, I remember post the riots, the Durkan administration 556 00:22:45,067 --> 00:22:48,856 appearing before council and having to do the same thing. 557 00:22:48,857 --> 00:22:52,288 So, you know, anyway, but as council president said with 558 00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:55,569 the OIG investigation, it should disclose a lot of the 559 00:22:55,569 --> 00:22:59,439 information, lack of information that day and what went wrong. 560 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,500 So we don't repeat it in the future because we're here 561 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:05,643 today and we also have to work together to make sure we - 562 00:23:05,643 --> 00:23:07,720 things are different for the future. 563 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,759 Things are done better. 564 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,123 Brian, we just want transparency, honesty, 565 00:23:11,123 --> 00:23:13,548 no political, just transparency and honesty 566 00:23:13,548 --> 00:23:15,019 and straightforwardness. 567 00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:15,679 That's it. 568 00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:19,884 Are you confident you can get an independent review 569 00:23:19,884 --> 00:23:23,900 from the OIG, which is a part of a city department? 570 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:25,836 Does it need to be somebody external? 571 00:23:25,836 --> 00:23:27,739 I know that's part of the consideration here, too. 572 00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:29,959 Those are discussions going on right now. 573 00:23:29,959 --> 00:23:30,896 Is it the OIG? 574 00:23:30,896 --> 00:23:32,798 That implies that there was a problem with SPD. 575 00:23:32,798 --> 00:23:35,826 You do it independently, then it's like, hey, we're looking 576 00:23:35,826 --> 00:23:37,748 at it as a whole with the city, right? 577 00:23:37,748 --> 00:23:40,401 From city council, mayor's office, SPD, 578 00:23:40,401 --> 00:23:43,597 city departments, Seattle Center, that's up for 579 00:23:43,597 --> 00:23:44,605 discussion right now. 580 00:23:44,605 --> 00:23:45,932 But I think what's important, 581 00:23:45,932 --> 00:23:47,153 people just want the facts. 582 00:23:47,153 --> 00:23:48,250 They want the information. 583 00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:49,480 They want the people arrested that 584 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,586 did this at the Seattle Center. 585 00:23:50,586 --> 00:23:52,413 So they want to hold people accountable. 586 00:23:52,413 --> 00:23:54,804 And people want to make sure that if this happens 587 00:23:54,804 --> 00:23:57,567 again, and this is the the most important piece, 588 00:23:57,567 --> 00:24:00,258 if this happens again, that we as a city can 589 00:24:00,258 --> 00:24:03,183 respond effectively and they can trust us. 590 00:24:03,183 --> 00:24:05,288 Trust is a big thing in this. 591 00:24:05,288 --> 00:24:08,857 And they want to know that we can react quickly, 592 00:24:08,857 --> 00:24:11,230 just like those officers did when they rescued the 593 00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:12,872 two-year-old who got shot, right? 594 00:24:12,872 --> 00:24:14,576 The two-year-old was laying up in the 595 00:24:14,576 --> 00:24:16,771 hospital and the people that died, they know that 596 00:24:16,771 --> 00:24:19,767 the fire department's going going to run towards whatever 597 00:24:19,767 --> 00:24:22,362 they need to to make sure that people are on the 598 00:24:22,362 --> 00:24:23,660 EMT onto the hospital. 599 00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:25,573 They know that they'll have timely information. 600 00:24:25,573 --> 00:24:27,440 So if they're hiding in the armory, they can say, 601 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,401 hey, the scene has been secured. 602 00:24:29,401 --> 00:24:32,960 We can be able to exit safely and not wonder what's going on. 603 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,669 They need to know the city knows how to respond 604 00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:35,298 to these things. 605 00:24:35,298 --> 00:24:36,557 That's the most important piece. 606 00:24:36,557 --> 00:24:38,911 That's why I said earlier, Brian, that it was 607 00:24:38,911 --> 00:24:41,199 really important not to lose in terms of the 608 00:24:41,199 --> 00:24:44,240 the lack of transparency in communication and how best 609 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,420 we could do it in the future, not to lose sight of the fact 610 00:24:47,420 --> 00:24:50,595 that the first responders were right on the scene and 611 00:24:50,595 --> 00:24:52,400 they did all the right things. 612 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,315 And maybe we would have had even more casualties had they 613 00:24:55,315 --> 00:24:56,679 not responded so quickly. 614 00:24:56,679 --> 00:24:59,519 And so folks should feel confident about the 615 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,593 actual response and that there's work to be done 616 00:25:02,593 --> 00:25:04,356 on the communication side. 617 00:25:04,356 --> 00:25:07,659 But they should feel confident about the response. 618 00:25:07,659 --> 00:25:11,403 That was very well handled by both SPD and Fire 619 00:25:11,403 --> 00:25:13,076 on the scene on site. 620 00:25:13,076 --> 00:25:13,798 Thank you for that. 621 00:25:13,798 --> 00:25:15,353 Council President Hollingsworth, I want to 622 00:25:15,353 --> 00:25:16,317 make sure I get this in here. 623 00:25:16,317 --> 00:25:18,980 I've heard you say publicly you want the council to be a 624 00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:21,700 little more involved in the search for a new chief here. 625 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:23,699 I'd like to know what kind of candidate you're looking for, 626 00:25:23,699 --> 00:25:26,030 because the mayor's raised concerns about the amount 627 00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:27,896 of time former Chief Barnes was out of town. 628 00:25:27,896 --> 00:25:29,913 His family was living in Chicago since he 629 00:25:29,913 --> 00:25:31,096 started here last year. 630 00:25:31,096 --> 00:25:34,376 We received a few messages on this, including 631 00:25:34,376 --> 00:25:35,759 one that said this. 632 00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:39,026 PubliCola published verifiable reporting that shows Shon 633 00:25:39,026 --> 00:25:40,660 Barnes was out 40% of the time. 634 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:42,771 Is that something council members think is normal 635 00:25:42,771 --> 00:25:43,576 for a police chief? 636 00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:44,596 If so, why? 637 00:25:44,596 --> 00:25:46,490 I just want some thoughts about the time Chief 638 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:48,501 Barnes spent out of town, what you want in terms 639 00:25:48,501 --> 00:25:50,538 of presence, being in Seattle for a new chief. 640 00:25:50,538 --> 00:25:53,376 Yeah, I wasn't his supervisor approving travel. 641 00:25:53,376 --> 00:25:53,750 or not. 642 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,490 I don't know what that looks like. 643 00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:57,289 So I can't comment regarding that. 644 00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:59,336 Every time I had asked the chief to be here 645 00:25:59,336 --> 00:26:01,165 or have a meeting, he was accessible. 646 00:26:01,165 --> 00:26:02,171 He was transparent. 647 00:26:02,171 --> 00:26:02,876 He was honest. 648 00:26:02,876 --> 00:26:04,130 He was very professional. 649 00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:06,005 So don't have a problem with that piece. 650 00:26:06,005 --> 00:26:07,538 I think that's really important 651 00:26:07,538 --> 00:26:08,584 to talk about. 652 00:26:08,584 --> 00:26:11,891 The second thing is the mayor and I know myself 653 00:26:11,891 --> 00:26:15,159 and council members as well, I don't want to speak for them. 654 00:26:15,159 --> 00:26:18,163 Do align on what we want for the mayor talked about some 655 00:26:18,163 --> 00:26:21,298 of the things that they're looking for in a police chief. 656 00:26:21,298 --> 00:26:24,239 And also ensuring, too, that we have the community 657 00:26:24,239 --> 00:26:25,499 involvement as well. 658 00:26:25,499 --> 00:26:26,199 That's important. 659 00:26:26,199 --> 00:26:27,636 You want to have the community involvement. 660 00:26:27,636 --> 00:26:28,719 This is their chief. 661 00:26:28,719 --> 00:26:30,396 We are the this is the city's chief. 662 00:26:30,396 --> 00:26:31,759 This is not the council's chief. 663 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:32,979 This is not the mayor's chief. 664 00:26:32,979 --> 00:26:35,739 This is the city's chief, the police department. 665 00:26:35,739 --> 00:26:37,538 And so that's going to be important. 666 00:26:37,538 --> 00:26:39,923 When I say involvement, usually someone sits 667 00:26:39,923 --> 00:26:41,116 on a search committee. 668 00:26:41,116 --> 00:26:43,759 The council's involved, we're engaged in that process 669 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,567 because at the end of the day, we also have to confirm 670 00:26:46,567 --> 00:26:49,429 that person and we have to vote on them and meet 671 00:26:49,429 --> 00:26:52,384 with them and make sure that they're the right 672 00:26:52,384 --> 00:26:53,665 person for the job. 673 00:26:53,665 --> 00:26:55,673 And we did that with Dr. former 674 00:26:55,673 --> 00:26:57,278 chief, Dr. Shon Barnes. 675 00:26:57,278 --> 00:26:59,650 And so looking forward to engaging that process 676 00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:00,538 for the new chief. 677 00:27:00,538 --> 00:27:01,865 I've got about a minute left. 678 00:27:01,865 --> 00:27:04,179 I would like your thoughts, council member Rivera 679 00:27:04,179 --> 00:27:06,150 on what you're looking for in a new chief and 680 00:27:06,150 --> 00:27:08,756 any other comments about about what's ahead here in terms 681 00:27:08,756 --> 00:27:10,159 of this very important search. 682 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:12,259 Does it need to be someone from inside the department, 683 00:27:12,259 --> 00:27:13,239 outside the department? 684 00:27:13,239 --> 00:27:15,077 I know that's always a big consideration. 685 00:27:15,077 --> 00:27:17,951 That is always a big consideration, Brian, and 686 00:27:17,951 --> 00:27:20,679 I've been here for many chiefs at this point. 687 00:27:20,679 --> 00:27:24,896 I concur with my colleague, Council President Hollingsworth. 688 00:27:24,896 --> 00:27:28,141 I mean, I also want to say that my personal 689 00:27:28,141 --> 00:27:32,009 experience with Chief Barnes, he was very professional, 690 00:27:32,009 --> 00:27:34,219 he was responsive, he was a great partner, 691 00:27:34,219 --> 00:27:37,459 And he was very focused on community policing. 692 00:27:37,459 --> 00:27:41,005 And I met with Interim Chief Sayles this morning, 693 00:27:41,005 --> 00:27:44,636 who I know is also focused on community policing. 694 00:27:44,636 --> 00:27:49,865 I think he calls it rational-not rational-relational, 695 00:27:49,865 --> 00:27:51,979 relational policing. 696 00:27:51,979 --> 00:27:55,607 Which is another form of all to say that it's important 697 00:27:55,607 --> 00:27:58,919 for police to be working with community members. 698 00:27:58,919 --> 00:28:01,625 Getting back to community members, knowing 699 00:28:01,625 --> 00:28:04,711 their chief by name and knowing that he cares about 700 00:28:04,711 --> 00:28:06,699 community is really important. 701 00:28:06,699 --> 00:28:09,851 So making sure that council, community, and 702 00:28:09,851 --> 00:28:13,335 the mayor are partnering and part of that process 703 00:28:13,335 --> 00:28:15,538 together is really important. 704 00:28:15,538 --> 00:28:18,999 And it instills confidence in the process as well. 705 00:28:18,999 --> 00:28:22,459 It shows our constituents that we're working together. 706 00:28:22,459 --> 00:28:24,968 And I just want to say, Brian, also in terms of the 707 00:28:24,968 --> 00:28:27,854 communications piece, you know, constituents want to 708 00:28:27,854 --> 00:28:29,356 see us all working together. 709 00:28:29,356 --> 00:28:33,412 So you will see that that's why I'm saying I'm continuing 710 00:28:33,412 --> 00:28:36,861 to commit to partner with the mayor to seeing how 711 00:28:36,861 --> 00:28:38,499 we can improve things. 712 00:28:38,499 --> 00:28:41,636 And because that's what the role is 713 00:28:41,636 --> 00:28:43,019 and that's what constituents want, 714 00:28:43,019 --> 00:28:45,317 all of us working together, and I'm committed to that. 715 00:28:45,317 --> 00:28:45,979 Thank you very much. 716 00:28:45,979 --> 00:28:47,259 Thank you both for your time. 717 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:49,459 We will be back next time on Council Edition. 718 00:28:49,459 --> 00:28:50,876 That's all the time we have for now. 719 00:28:50,876 --> 00:28:51,699 See you next time. 720 00:28:53,159 --> 00:29:10,239 ♪ ♪