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Hello, I'm your host
Brian Callanan.

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Mayor Katie Wilson has
released a new plan to combat

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gun violence in Seattle, and she
wants to strengthen the city's

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emergency communication system
after a deadly shooting at the

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Bite of Seattle this summer.

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Are the City Council's
Public Safety Committee

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leaders buying in?

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Plus, there's a law on the
books to stop street takeovers,

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reckless driving exhibitions
that block off roads

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and attract big crowds.

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So why are these dangerous
events still happening?

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I'm with Council Members
Bob Kettle and Rob Saka

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to consider these issues
and the questions you're

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sending in too on City
Inside Out, Council Edition.

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The city charter is our
constitution, and it's there,

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and we need to respect it,
because if we just look the

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other way on this piece, well,
what else do we look away from?

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We're pulling and borrowing
and begging and pleading from

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the Climate Pledge and other,
like, can we borrow, please

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let us borrow your videos
so we can investigate.

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Outrageous. All that
and more coming

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up next on City Inside
Out, Council Edition.

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Welcome once again to City
Inside Out Council Edition

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here on the Seattle Channel.

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Brian Callanan here with you,
and I'm very glad to have with

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me Councilmember Bob Kettle,
Chair of the Council's

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Public Safety Committee,
also the Council's

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District 7 Representative,
which runs from

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Magnolia to downtown.

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Thanks a lot for being here.

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Thanks for having me back.

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Also with us is Councilmember
Rob Saka, who chairs the

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Transportation Committee,
represents D1 from West

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Seattle out to South
Park and Pioneer Square.

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Glad you could join us, too.

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Thank you, Brian.

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Excited to be here.

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All right, let's do this thing.

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There's a lot of public safety
issues to talk about here,

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so I'm very glad to have the
chair and the vice chair

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of that committee with me
here to talk about this.

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And I want to talk
about gun violence

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prevention specifically.

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Of course, it's been a concern
for decades here in Seattle.

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It's getting a lot more
attention since the deadly

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shooting at the Bite
of Seattle this summer.

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Now, the mayor just released
a plan to reduce gun violence

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that includes more officers
on bikes to respond quickly.

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Also, coordinating community
violence interrupters.

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These are trusted community
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police, plus investments
in youth programs,

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crime prevention, too.

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The council, for its part,
just voted to approve a

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resolution from Councilmember
Rivera on what's called a

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focused deterrence model,
which targets the people that

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are tied to most shootings.

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If those people don't take
supports that the city offers,

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there can be criminal
charges from police if

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the violence continues.

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This council plan would require
hiring a national expert to

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come in for about $418,000.

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So, Councilmember Kettle,
your district recently

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had deadly shootings
over Labor Day weekend,

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three of them to be exact.

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I know this is a
top-of-mind issue for you,

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but it looks like the
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have some different
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preventing gun violence.

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Councilmember Rivera said
she was underwhelmed

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by the Mayor's plan.

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The Mayor in some
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has been overly supportive
of the Rivera plan.

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I just want to get
to this bottom line

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of how does the
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on gun violence prevention?

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- I think we can move
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'cause the plan has different
pieces that we've done before.

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And so that's, you
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- The Council's plan
you're talking about?

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- Yes, no, no, I'm talking
about the Mayor's plan.

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That kind of goes to what
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But I'm good with it.

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Fine. The area of interest to me

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is kind of like what this is
a reason why we did a bill

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this summer regarding CARE.

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There's a part in there about
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and engagement, please.

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Yes. The CARE department.

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And I left the gun.

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The gun violence
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the CARE enabling ordinance.

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And so it's already part of
their mission set and I left it

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alone because that was my plan
in 27 was to address that piece

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So, okay good And
that's actually where

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the interesting part of the
mayor's plan is because

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what they're looking to do
is set up and we set this

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Up to with PDA Purpose
Dignity and Action work

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in the law enforcement
assisted diversion with CARE

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We pulled that out of HSD human
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CARE department for a reason
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about the mayor's plan is
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of gun violence intervention
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sitting in HSD but bring it into CARE

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It brings under our committee
and that's going to be good

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So a lot of the pieces are
there that is the one piece

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that I find of interest
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would make too is like hey
Everybody loves bike cops

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are great for
drug markets and so forth

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But in order to have
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to have more officers.

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And so if the mayor is doing
this, she also has to be strong

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on increasing SPD staffing.

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That really comes down
to how are we going

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to be moving forward.

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Thank you for that.

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Councilmember Saka, I know
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this focus deterrence model
was needed now more than ever.

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I was just trying to figure
out, as Councilmember Kettle

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was talking about here,
how to square that up with

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what the mayor is proposing.

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Is this a battle between
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the seventh floor?

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What's going on?

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Yeah, I know it
generates more views and

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clicks sometimes when there's
a, you know, a tiff and

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division between the second
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But the truth be told,
they're both separate and

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equal, co-equal plans.

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They're not at all
mutually exclusive.

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They both can exist at
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First and foremost, I do want
to applaud the mayor for

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releasing a fairly comprehensive

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executive proposal to address
public safety more broadly.

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I applaud her for those actions.

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I will say, having had a
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the plan, there is nothing
particularly new or novel,

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especially when we talk about
the individual element level.

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But, you know, how successful
her plan will be remains

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to be seen in terms of
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executed and implemented.

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Again, that said, our plan
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element of public safety, rather
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plan does, and that is
gun violence prevention.

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It is an effective,
evidence-based, nationally

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proven model to that-what
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sort of packages deterrence,
accountability with compassion.

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And again, very effective model.

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I think the mayor would be wise
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implement both because again,
they're not mutually exclusive.

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It's $418,000 though.

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I know she's pushing back.

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$418,000 when you talk about
a $9 billion budget last

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year netted out over two
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That's a drop in the bucket.

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Again, the mayor would be
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ways to implement both.

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What do you got?

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Well, first is the $418,000.

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I've already communicated
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stop talking about that,
because there's other areas

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of public safety where they're
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And so we don't go down there.

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Okay to councilmember
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really want to understand
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Focused deterrence, you know
part of this is what is the

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role of the police department?

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Obviously, we need the police
department to be in the mix

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But there's others who don't
necessarily want that and

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so this is what you're seeing
They want a public health

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approach where we're looking
for a comprehensive approach

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with the police department
This is why we're looking

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at the you know the focus
deterrence model from John

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Jay College as opposed to
Hopkins and some of the

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Other options yeah to
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my vice chair.

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Yes, they can be both
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should be looking to do that

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But we definitely have to have
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that's and there's like this
underlying tension or that

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you know in Seattle proper
And it's coming up in a

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different way right now in terms
of what is the role of the

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police in terms of gun violence

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intervention and interruption?

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I'm very much looking forward to
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the budget process here.

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I wanted to talk about
something else the

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mayor has done recently,
signing an executive

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order to strengthen, as
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emergency operations system
in light of what happened

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at the Bite of Seattle.

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Information at that event
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the public in a timely way
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one shooting suspect on
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Seattle system was not deployed.

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City departments are
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coordinated. I think this
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Like we realized that that
tool should have been used

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the night of the Bite of
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part of this is about making
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understands how to use
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that's appropriate.

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So those are the kind of

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changes you're going
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Council Member Kettle,
I wanted to get your

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thoughts on the Mayor's
proposal and also some

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ideas about when we're
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explanation of who's
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communication problems
at the Bite of Seattle.

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As it turns out, I
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management conference,
that meeting, same day.

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I was there in the afternoon.

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There was Center for Naval Analysis

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was there going through,
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all the various departments
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that work emergency management
issues led by director Mayer

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and the office of
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Cause it's very important piece.

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We've been working over
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to strengthen OEM,
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Office of Emergency
Management, keep going.

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Yes, and so we're
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and support the
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So, yes, I applaud the mayor
in terms of having this EO

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related to emergency management,
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on what we've been doing.

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Again, another area where we
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On terms of the EOC, the
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and so forth, and
the bite of Seattle,

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these are going to be
questions that come up

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in our committee meeting
upcoming and I'm going

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to be focused really on

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operations planning but also
leadership operations and

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part of that goes to the
question of like what is

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the role of EOC what is the
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in this process and
how do we incorporate

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that in addition to the
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communication questions
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because you as you saw
probably in the news chief

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Scoggins is like hey
we do it all the time.

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Sure. And so that text
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out to a lot of people.

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We're going to do that
and by the way when we do

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have this committee meeting
we're gonna get an after-action

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report brief from you
know presentation from

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SPD Police Department but
I'm also gonna be handing

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out we've gone AAR's
after-action reports

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from the fire department
and also Seattle channel

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center, flood road Seattle
channel there, Seattle center.

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And I was really
happy to get that.

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And I think interim director
has done a good job there.

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And what I really
liked by the way,

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when we had a meeting
with Mr. Engstrom was,

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okay, here it is, findings
and recommendations.

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And his point back
with no, you know,

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prompting or anything is
the most important thing

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is implementation.

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You know what this is?

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This is tying into because I had
a letter to the mayor talking

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about we need to look at major
venues major events right and do

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Public safety review and
planning and what he's done

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with that after-action report
It's kind of like the foundation

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to go ahead and do that So I
invite the mayor to respond

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to the letter and engage in my
office and I'll work with our

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colleagues to move forward
On board because it's very

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important. I agree with
you councilmember Saka

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I would love to fold in
another concern over

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emergency communications
if I could with you

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specifically about when city
residents call 9-1-1 and

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Apparently get diverted
to an AI tool when it's a

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low-level medical call you
raise some concerns about this

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at a recent meeting with
the Seattle Fire Department

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what's going on?

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Yeah, so

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The chair can comment, you
know more as well, but

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just from my
perspective, we need to

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better align our response
and implementation of

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our public safety systems
and resources and budget

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investments with the
public's expectations and

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reasonable expectations
around what happens.

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So we use a particular AI tool
in certain instances that, you

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know, has ultimately garnered
some local headlines and

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even some national headlines.

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And when those systems
have not delivered, as I

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think everyone has hoped.

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So, again, we need to
better align our budget

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investments with people's
reasonable expectations.

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These AI tools can be effective,
but we always need to make

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sure that a human remains
in the loop at all times.

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If a particular AI
recommendation impacts someone's

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life or their experience or
whether they receive 911

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resources, fire resources or
police resources, whatever

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it is or not, a human
needs to make that final

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determination, not the AI tool.

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AI tools are intended to
help supplement human work

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and allow us to make more
effective, efficient decisions,

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not replace those humans.

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Briefly, if you could.

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I definitely agree with that.

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And also, by the way, when we
brought this up in committee,

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we're doing our job to
daylight issues like this

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and also the nurse line as
it relates to the 911 system

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and the Fire Alarm Center.

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Yeah. And that's what
we're doing in the

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committee to do that.

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And I've had conversations
with our CTO technology

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officer about A.I.

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across public safety, not
just this, but in other

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areas, too, to ensure that
we're covered and also

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to bring to the public,
because we can't have

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these things happening without
the public being known about it.

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Thank you for that
council member Saka.

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Back to you.

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A transportation question, if I
could, about street takeover.

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So data from SPD shows
that since 2022,

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the city has averaged five
street takeovers a month.

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These are when cars get out
there, do some different stunts,

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etc. Crowds come out as
well, shuts down the road.

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The number has increased
this year with

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the 2026 average on track
to exceed seven a month.

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We had one viewer
ask this question.

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Why are street takeovers and
loud parades of motorcycles and

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race cars tolerated in
Belltown at all hours?

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Why can't SPD be directed
to interrupt these

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and arrest?

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Do noise and safety
ordinances matter at all?

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I know the city's had an
anti-street takeover law

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on the books since 2024.

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How do you respond
to that question?

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What's the way forward
on this issue?

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It's an excellent question
and frankly I have some of

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those same questions and I
think between the both of

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our committees we're gonna
have to dig a little deeper

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and drive more transparency
around the underlying

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lying issues because the
truth be told we have

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strong anti-street
rages racing legislation

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on the books today we even
took the extra step of

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making it a punishable civil
offense for spectators

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just to observe just to
merely observe while other

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jurisdictions like can't
have actually criminalize it

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but we make it a punishable
offense under our civil

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law so we have very
strong -- because

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Of some of my amendments at
the time, there are escalating

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Fines for repeat of violations.

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We have very strong and
effective, probably

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The best in our region
when it comes overall,

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When it comes to the
actual legislation.

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Legislation should matter.

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We are doing our part
on the second floor.

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We need strong partners on the
executive side and, you know,

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the city attorney side and the
courts as well to make sure

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that those laws are faithfully
enforced and executed.

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I welcome any specific
suggestions or recommendations

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from our partners in the
mayor's office on what else

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they need legislatively.

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But we need stronger
enforcement.

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Part of that, I can't,
like the elephant

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in the room here, we need
stronger enforcement, which

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means we need stronger, more
robust police presence.

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And we need to maintain
our robust police hiring

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recruitment as well.

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Because if we don't have
the officers to actually

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do the enforcement, then
it's just words in a

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book of code somewhere.

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Yeah, got it.

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Did you have a quick
thought on this?

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This happened in Belltown,
this most recent incident.

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Yes, it happens in District 1 a
lot, but District 7 gets a lot.

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First thing is, this is a
regional problem, so we

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definitely need to work.

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Like you mentioned, Kent,
they tend to come inside

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out, and this is part of
the issue that we have.

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But, you know, I'm
dealing with District 7.

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I'm working with West
Precinct, which is actually

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bigger than District 7.

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I say, hey, what's
going on here?

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Well, they have very
small staffing.

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And so, like, well,
we're dealing with

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Third, Pike and Pine.

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We're dealing with
Little Saigon CID stuff

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because I'm saying hey
What about First and Pike

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because of the market because
yes issues now right because

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I don't really have the
people So if we don't have

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the people for that
We're not going to have

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people for the street
takeovers in Belltown and

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other areas like in Denny And
so forth and that goes back

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again that we have to have the
robust staffing in order to

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really you know carry out our

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public safety laws and
implementation is so important

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Yeah, that's not there's many
bills that we passed that

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haven't been fully implemented
and there's a cost of that

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There's a whole separate
show on that one

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I'm sure I can't remember
soccer when I jump back to you

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You're sponsoring a series
of traffic safety bills

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intended to codify the
city's Vision Zero goal

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This is zero traffic
deaths by the year 2030

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The mayor put out an executive
order asking for some of

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the same goals a few days
after your bill was released

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You've said the two efforts
complement each other,

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but I'm most interested in
the stats on traffic deaths

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I know you are too there
were 30 such deaths last

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year in Seattle a number
that has definitely not

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been declining since Vision
Zero went on the books in 2015

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How is this series of bills
that you're working on going

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to change that and get us to
this goal of zero deaths?

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Yeah, it's a great question.

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So my starting point is
there are far too many

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people dying on our streets.

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They're dying and some of
the most vulnerable users of

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our road when it comes to
cyclists, pedestrians, people

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in mobility devices are dying.

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And we are not making-we
made some decent strides

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towards addressing that
at the department level.

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But the truth be told, unless
and until we have stronger

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action at the elected
levels of government, we're

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not going to achieve this.

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So this strong piece would
be the first in its country

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type of legislation that
really codifies the boring

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basics of an exciting
program into municipal law.

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It adds and codifies three
elements that safety

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advocates have been asking for
since earlier this spring.

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Automatic daylighting, truck
side guard protections, and

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mandatory Vision Zero reviews.

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It actually does a couple of
other extra things, including

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adding extra power, granting
extra power and authority to

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the experts and the engineers
within SDOT to take stronger

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action, more immediate action.

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And then with respect to
post-fatal crash response,

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it directly addresses that
and puts us on, establishes

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a new baseline and puts us
on a path to make stronger,

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more immediate, more rapid
post-fatal crash responses.

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And so this is, this is,
unless and until we have,

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we all better exercise our
respective authorities.

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and I want to applaud the
mayor for doing that a few

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days after we announced our
effort on the second floor.

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We're not going to
make better progress.

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So this effort seeks
to institutionalize

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what we know works best and
also put us on a path to

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a defined, clear path towards
stronger action going forward.

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Thank you for that.

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I'm going to pull out one
piece of this and bring you

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in here, Councilmember Kettle.

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One issue within these bills
that brought out some different

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opinions on the council was
the amount of power that

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historic preservation districts
have over where traffic

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control devices get installed.

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Council Member Rinck put
out this amendment to give

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the city's traffic engineer
the power to do that.

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But there's been a lot of
pushback from downtown historic

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districts like Pioneer Square
and Council Member Saka's

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district, Pike Place in
your district, for example.

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What's your position on that
plan to give the traffic

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engineer the final call on these
traffic control decisions?

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Well, part of this goes
to legislating sausage

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making, and that amendment
wasn't baked enough.

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That's a term of art.

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And, you know, there wasn't
stakeholdering in terms of

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historic districts or landmark
boards or anything like that.

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There was no, hey, what can
we do here to take in their

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equities, which are under law,
by the way, state and federal.

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And so we need to do that.

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Yes, definitely we need to
look to improve the street

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safety, traffic and pedestrian
safety in these areas.

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But we need to do it right,
particularly when there's

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some challenges there.

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And I've had discussions with
City Attorney Evans on this.

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And so we're going
to move forward.

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Like making Pike Place
pedestrian only, for example?

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- Well, there's that, but
in terms of the process

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of going through the amendment.

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- Okay.

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- In my view, that amendment
should have been pulled

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and brought to full council.

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Now it's gonna be
re-looked at full council

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later this month.

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- Okay.

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- And again, I support
looking to create

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that safer street, but
we also have to do it

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in a comprehensive way to
ensure that we're aligned

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with different federal
and state law,

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and then also ensuring that
equities as it relates

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under law to these areas
are also being respected.

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Thank you for that.

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I want to stick with
you Councilmember

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Kettle because you've been...

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Can I comment on that?

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Because this is
really important.

489
00:20:57,374 --> 00:20:59,278
Here's a new dimension
that I haven't shared,

490
00:20:59,278 --> 00:21:01,732
you know, in other forums
as well, including our

491
00:21:01,732 --> 00:21:05,010
own committee when we
discussed that very robustly.

492
00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:08,440
Yeah. The mayor released
her proposal a few short

493
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,544
days after we released ours.

494
00:21:10,544 --> 00:21:13,700
I think it is very
noteworthy that the mayor

495
00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:16,727
intentionally declined
to include that same

496
00:21:16,727 --> 00:21:18,557
element in her own package.

497
00:21:18,557 --> 00:21:21,567
Now, she couldn't have done
it solely via executive

498
00:21:21,567 --> 00:21:24,750
action, but she could have
put us on a defined path to

499
00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:27,778
doing it via study or
some sort of reporting of

500
00:21:27,778 --> 00:21:28,538
some sort.

501
00:21:28,538 --> 00:21:30,987
Yeah, and I think
it is notable that

502
00:21:30,987 --> 00:21:34,769
the mayor intentionally
declined to put it in.

503
00:21:34,769 --> 00:21:35,884
And so, why?

504
00:21:35,884 --> 00:21:38,900
Because it would significantly

505
00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:39,766
change things.

506
00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:41,298
It requires comprehensive

507
00:21:41,298 --> 00:21:43,336
stakeholdering, legal
review and analysis

508
00:21:43,336 --> 00:21:45,396
that, you know, given
the time frame that

509
00:21:45,396 --> 00:21:46,896
we were operating
under, we just didn't

510
00:21:46,896 --> 00:21:47,586
have time.

511
00:21:47,586 --> 00:21:49,499
I am personally not opposed to

512
00:21:49,499 --> 00:21:53,979
some form of this
if it brings my

513
00:21:53,979 --> 00:21:55,439
constituents in
Pioneer Square along

514
00:21:55,439 --> 00:21:57,919
better or, you know,
we have eight of

515
00:21:57,919 --> 00:22:00,519
these, eight or nine
of these historic

516
00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:02,259
preservation districts
throughout the

517
00:22:02,259 --> 00:22:03,856
entire city of Seattle
and almost every

518
00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:06,596
single council district with
the exception of up north in

519
00:22:06,596 --> 00:22:09,634
district five um we need
to better kind

520
00:22:09,634 --> 00:22:12,553
of think through these
I appreciate the uh the

521
00:22:12,553 --> 00:22:15,500
intent going behind these
issues and I don't

522
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,057
challenge or question my
colleagues motives

523
00:22:18,057 --> 00:22:20,048
for bringing this
forward sure but we if

524
00:22:20,048 --> 00:22:23,173
we're going to do something
like this that has such

525
00:22:23,173 --> 00:22:27,085
a significant impact on
everything on everyone

526
00:22:27,085 --> 00:22:31,038
we need to be thoughtful
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT

527
00:22:31,616 --> 00:22:32,719
I appreciate that.

528
00:22:32,719 --> 00:22:35,479
Councilmember Kettle, I wanted
to make sure I asked you about

529
00:22:35,479 --> 00:22:37,376
The fact that you've been
pressing the mayor recently for

530
00:22:37,376 --> 00:22:40,519
An explanation of why she asked
for a form of police chief Sean

531
00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:43,219
Barnes' resignation after the
Bite of Seattle shooting.

532
00:22:43,219 --> 00:22:46,203
IN A LETTER YOU WROTE, YOU SAID
he had declined to resign, but

533
00:22:46,203 --> 00:22:49,660
he would have been terminated
if he had not agreed to resign,

534
00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:51,595
which would have triggered
a need for a written

535
00:22:51,595 --> 00:22:53,680
statement of reasons under
the city charter here.

536
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,038
The mayor's general
counsel replied this way.

537
00:22:56,038 --> 00:22:58,894
The mayor is not obligated
to file a reason for the

538
00:22:58,894 --> 00:23:00,640
chief of police resignation.

539
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,626
After careful consideration,
the mayor requested his

540
00:23:03,626 --> 00:23:06,096
resignation due to the
need to build a cabinet

541
00:23:06,096 --> 00:23:08,567
that is aligned with her
administration's values,

542
00:23:08,567 --> 00:23:11,500
policy goals, and vision for
the Seattle Police Department.

543
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,076
Were you satisfied
with that explanation?

544
00:23:13,076 --> 00:23:15,000
And more importantly, how
are you going to be involved

545
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,680
in the selection of a new chief?

546
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,856
-Well, it's clearly needed.

547
00:23:18,856 --> 00:23:21,920
And the fact that they sent
the notification letter

548
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,576
and they included the --
-This explanation is needed?

549
00:23:23,576 --> 00:23:24,159
-Yes. -Okay.

550
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:27,636
-Yeah, so they acknowledged
the point, and it's important.

551
00:23:27,636 --> 00:23:30,400
If it was a generic kind of
resignation, yeah, fine.

552
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,117
But if you listen to the
mayor after the fact,

553
00:23:33,117 --> 00:23:35,221
like in the press conference,
if you listen to Chief

554
00:23:35,221 --> 00:23:37,540
Barnes in his interviews,
it was clear that

555
00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:38,636
he got forced out.

556
00:23:38,636 --> 00:23:40,596
And that's how the
city charter reads.

557
00:23:40,596 --> 00:23:42,886
And so for me personally,
and this has not been kind

558
00:23:42,886 --> 00:23:45,555
of talked about really,
it is about respecting

559
00:23:45,555 --> 00:23:46,798
the city charter.

560
00:23:46,798 --> 00:23:48,971
Now we get on the federal
administration, President

561
00:23:48,971 --> 00:23:50,798
Trump, in terms of what
he's doing to our U.S.

562
00:23:50,798 --> 00:23:52,766
Constitution, like, you
know, the running of

563
00:23:52,766 --> 00:23:55,419
elections, for example, that
we're dealing with right now.

564
00:23:55,419 --> 00:23:58,278
Well, the city charter is our
constitution, and it's there,

565
00:23:58,278 --> 00:24:00,798
and we need to respect it,
because if we just look the

566
00:24:00,798 --> 00:24:03,798
other way on this piece, well,
what else do we look away from?

567
00:24:03,798 --> 00:24:07,136
And then what is the
city charter good for?

568
00:24:07,136 --> 00:24:09,960
And so for me, it was about
respecting the city charter,

569
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,259
given the facts, and I knew
all the facts of this,

570
00:24:12,259 --> 00:24:14,538
more than probably the
mayor appreciates,

571
00:24:14,538 --> 00:24:16,949
that we needed to do it
right because he was

572
00:24:16,949 --> 00:24:18,896
removed from position.

573
00:24:18,896 --> 00:24:20,699
So we needed a notification.

574
00:24:20,699 --> 00:24:22,659
They gave us one and they
included a city clerk.

575
00:24:22,659 --> 00:24:24,076
And by the way, I
confirmed with city clerk,

576
00:24:24,076 --> 00:24:27,057
it has been filed in
the city clerk system.

577
00:24:27,057 --> 00:24:29,038
Okay, I know there's
more ahead with that.

578
00:24:29,038 --> 00:24:30,557
And I know there's gonna be
a lot with the discussion.

579
00:24:30,557 --> 00:24:31,836
I'm done with it now.

580
00:24:31,836 --> 00:24:32,159
I'm done with it.

581
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:36,057
So to your question, I'm
moving on to your committee.

582
00:24:36,057 --> 00:24:38,880
So I've told the mayor
this, too, and her team.

583
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,239
Okay, I'm moving on.

584
00:24:40,239 --> 00:24:42,636
So now it's about
what happens next.

585
00:24:42,636 --> 00:24:45,711
So we have to, as I noted in
my statement on this subject,

586
00:24:45,711 --> 00:24:48,452
yes, the mayor is looking
for somebody who aligns

587
00:24:48,452 --> 00:24:49,856
and so forth with values.

588
00:24:49,856 --> 00:24:52,836
But this nominee also
needs to get reviewed and

589
00:24:52,836 --> 00:24:54,519
confirmed by the council.

590
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:56,257
And so this is really
important in terms of

591
00:24:56,257 --> 00:24:57,298
what we're looking to do.

592
00:24:57,298 --> 00:24:59,852
And again, I'm looking to
partner with the mayor,

593
00:24:59,852 --> 00:25:02,278
with my vice chair on all
things public safety.

594
00:25:02,278 --> 00:25:04,179
And we've been doing we passed.

595
00:25:04,179 --> 00:25:07,317
She signed two of my bills
this summer so we can do it.

596
00:25:07,317 --> 00:25:09,986
But we need to have this
piece in little things like

597
00:25:09,986 --> 00:25:12,778
focus deterrence, like the
role of police officers.

598
00:25:12,778 --> 00:25:15,236
This little dynamic that we have
in Seattle is something that is

599
00:25:15,236 --> 00:25:17,596
going to show up in this chief
police search a little bit, too.

600
00:25:17,596 --> 00:25:18,261
I imagine so.

601
00:25:18,261 --> 00:25:20,076
I need to go a little
bit quicker here

602
00:25:20,076 --> 00:25:20,500
if I can.

603
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:22,796
Just to wrap up, we're
recording the show just

604
00:25:22,796 --> 00:25:25,211
before the mayor releases
her budget proposal.

605
00:25:25,211 --> 00:25:27,026
We don't have all
the specifics just

606
00:25:27,026 --> 00:25:29,746
yet at the recording of this
show, but she has released

607
00:25:29,746 --> 00:25:32,707
some early indicators like a
$37 million plan for homeless

608
00:25:32,707 --> 00:25:35,605
shelter sites that's scaling
back her plan of 1,000 units

609
00:25:35,605 --> 00:25:37,057
in the first year of her term.

610
00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:39,317
There's also this gun violence
reduction plan that we

611
00:25:39,317 --> 00:25:41,525
discussed earlier, which
would include hiring a gun

612
00:25:41,525 --> 00:25:42,980
violence reduction coordinator.

613
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:44,979
Council Member Saka, maybe
I can start with you.

614
00:25:44,979 --> 00:25:48,134
What are you anticipating
this budget cycle and what's

615
00:25:48,134 --> 00:25:51,082
your approach going to be
towards this $175 million

616
00:25:51,082 --> 00:25:52,659
deficit the city is facing?

617
00:25:52,659 --> 00:25:57,182
Yeah, so I'll be curious
to hear how the mayor is

618
00:25:57,182 --> 00:26:02,519
going to propose resolving
that $175 million deficit.

619
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,323
And-but I think we need to
prioritize our investments as it

620
00:26:06,323 --> 00:26:09,508
relates to public and
community safety, including

621
00:26:09,508 --> 00:26:10,459
traffic safety.

622
00:26:11,596 --> 00:26:16,132
And I-so, I would hope that
the proposed package sent and

623
00:26:16,132 --> 00:26:20,163
transmitted down to the second
floor for our thoughtful

624
00:26:20,163 --> 00:26:24,077
deliberation and consideration
includes a comprehensive plan

625
00:26:24,077 --> 00:26:27,690
and approach, which includes
focused deterrence that funds

626
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:31,325
and brings to life what we
just passed, 7 to 0, two

627
00:26:31,325 --> 00:26:36,921
abstentions, Councilmember
Rivera's approach, and

628
00:26:36,921 --> 00:26:39,159
also includes strong

629
00:26:40,219 --> 00:26:44,595
officer staffing, hiring and
incentives, and making sure we

630
00:26:44,595 --> 00:26:47,997
maintain our momentum on that
because we can't have cool

631
00:26:47,997 --> 00:26:50,567
bike patrols and foot patrols
and good old-fashioned

632
00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:52,711
community-oriented INTO
POLICE IF WE DON'T

633
00:26:52,711 --> 00:26:53,999
Have the staffing to do it.

634
00:26:53,999 --> 00:26:56,419
So we need to, they
go hand in hand.

635
00:26:56,419 --> 00:26:57,538
So we need to have that.

636
00:26:57,538 --> 00:27:01,413
Also, we need to continue
and maintain and expand in

637
00:27:01,413 --> 00:27:03,576
a smart way, Seattle Center,

638
00:27:05,396 --> 00:27:09,576
appropriate security
camera coverage.

639
00:27:09,576 --> 00:27:12,915
I think the public was
rightfully shocked and outraged

640
00:27:12,915 --> 00:27:17,692
in many instances that
There was no Seattle CCTV
cameras

641
00:27:17,692 --> 00:27:20,836
whatsoever to provide coverage.

642
00:27:20,836 --> 00:27:22,663
We were pulling and
borrowing and begging and

643
00:27:22,663 --> 00:27:24,679
pleading from the Climate
Pledge and other, like,

644
00:27:24,679 --> 00:27:27,409
can we borrow, please let
us borrow your videos

645
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:28,739
so we can investigate.

646
00:27:28,739 --> 00:27:32,673
Outrageous. and we need
to respect the big

647
00:27:32,673 --> 00:27:38,259
event providers and hosts who
sent that letter to the mayor

648
00:27:38,259 --> 00:27:42,323
earlier in August, urging
her, pleading and begging to

649
00:27:42,323 --> 00:27:45,855
deploy and turn on more
cameras for these big events.

650
00:27:45,855 --> 00:27:47,507
We need to respect that on the

651
00:27:47,507 --> 00:27:49,019
seventh and second floor.

652
00:27:49,019 --> 00:27:49,644
Thank you for that.

653
00:27:49,644 --> 00:27:50,817
Council Member
Kettle, I need you to

654
00:27:50,817 --> 00:27:53,000
wrap up, have about a minute
that talking about what's

655
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,739
happened with the deficit
there and the budget overall?

656
00:27:55,739 --> 00:27:58,719
Well, my quick answer is I did
have an in-brief with the mayor,

657
00:27:58,719 --> 00:28:01,384
and she kind of gave me some
bigger picture in terms of

658
00:28:01,384 --> 00:28:02,778
what they're looking to do.

659
00:28:02,778 --> 00:28:03,703
Spill the beans.

660
00:28:03,703 --> 00:28:04,499
What do we got?

661
00:28:04,499 --> 00:28:08,596
Her and her team promised
me or asked for secrecy

662
00:28:08,596 --> 00:28:11,159
until her briefing tomorrow.

663
00:28:11,159 --> 00:28:12,096
- Okay, okay.

664
00:28:12,096 --> 00:28:14,817
- But the points that Council
Member Saka is raising

665
00:28:14,817 --> 00:28:19,499
is key in terms of like SPD
staffing and those pieces.

666
00:28:19,499 --> 00:28:21,719
Addressing the scene
between public safety,

667
00:28:21,719 --> 00:28:23,479
public health, housing,
and human services

668
00:28:23,479 --> 00:28:26,356
as part of our strategic
framework plan is so important.

669
00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:28,896
And I think if we do
that and do it well,

670
00:28:28,896 --> 00:28:30,499
I think we can move forward.

671
00:28:30,499 --> 00:28:32,557
But everything else, I've
been sworn to secrecy.

672
00:28:32,557 --> 00:28:34,219
- Okay, all right, we'll
see what happens next.

673
00:28:34,219 --> 00:28:34,979
We're out of time.

674
00:28:34,979 --> 00:28:36,596
A big thanks to
Council Member Saka,

675
00:28:36,596 --> 00:28:37,519
Council Member Kettle.

676
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,459
Thank you for joining me
here on Council Edition.

677
00:28:39,459 --> 00:28:40,336
Thank you for having me.

678
00:28:40,336 --> 00:28:41,136
I'm Brian Callinan.

679
00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:41,699
See you next time.

680
00:28:43,759 --> 00:29:01,919
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