>> COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ.
>> HERE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER LIN.
>> HERE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA.
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA.
>> HERE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE.
>> HERE.
>> FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT.
>> THANK YOU. THE AGENDA WILL BE
ADOPTED, HEARING AND SEEING NO
OBJECTION, THERE IS AGENDA
ADOPTED. I WANTED TO WELCOME
COUNCIL MEMBERS RIVERA AND, I
MEAN RINK AND FOSTER TO MY
RIGHT, RIVERA, TO MY LEFT. THANK
YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.
STARTING OFF WITH CHAIR COMMENT,
TODAY'S CHAIR COMMENT IS
CENTERED ON SEATTLE FIRE
DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH OAM,
OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
AND CARE. IT HAS COME TO MY
ATTENTION, I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMITTEE TO
KNOW, SOUND TRANSIT 3 IS
PROPOSING A TUNNEL THROUGH THE
CIV. UNDER THIS PLAN, THE TUNNEL
WOULD GO, ROUGHLY, UNDER OEM,
EMERGENCY OPS CENTER, FIRE ALARM
CENTER, AND FIRE STATION 10.
THIS IS CONCERNING, GIVEN THE
ROLE THESE ENTITIES PLAY IN, FOR
EXAMPLE, A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE
SCENARIO. IT IS IMPORTANT TO
NOTE, TOO, EOC, FIRE ALARM
CENTER, PLUS FIRE STATION 10,
WERE CITED AT THIS LOCATION FOR
A REASON, THE FACT IT IS OUTSIDE
OF THE FACTION ZONE, WHICH IS A
REALLY PROBLEMATIC, PARTICULARLY
TO THE SOUTH AND WEST. MOVING
FORWARD, WE NEED FULL
TRANSPARENCY ON THE PROJECT, AS
IT RELATES TO THIS ISSUE IN
TERMS OF IMPACTS, AGAIN, ON EOC,
EMERGENCY OPS CENTER, FAC, THE
FIRE ALARM CENTER, AND FIRE
STATION 10. WE NEED TO HAVE A
FULL REVIEW OF THE ENTIRE
PROJECT, ESPECIALLY ENGINEERING
REVIEWS BEING CONDUCTED. WE MAY
NEED SOUND TRANSIT TO COME TO
COMMITTEE GIVING THE EMERGENCY
PREPAREDNESS CONSIDERATIONS OF
THIS PROPOSALS IN PLAY RIGHT
NOW. AGAIN, THIS IS CONCERNING,
YOU KNOW, BOTTOM LINE IS WE
CAN'T HAVE A MAJOR DISASTER
THEN HAVE EOC AND FIRE ALARM
CENTER BE THE FIRST CASUALTY IN
THAT DISASTER. SO, AGAIN,
COLLEAGUES, I BRING THIS UP IN
CHAIR COMMENT TO RAISE THE
ISSUE, THE FACT THAT SOUND
TRANSIT 3 IS PROPOSING A TUNNEL,
THAT WILL GO UNDER EOC,
PARTICULARLY EOC AND FIRE ALARM
CENTER, AND ADJACENT TO THE FIRE
STATION 10. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION OF THAT.
SEPARATELY, ALONG THESE LINES, I
ALSO WANTED TO RAISE AN ISSUE,
THIS WAS IN THE SUNDAY TIMES
ABOUT PAMELA HOGAN, WHO DIED ON
EITHER 8 OR 9, APRIL 2022. I
WANT TO THANK DANIEL BEAKMAN,
MR. BEAKMAN FROM SEATTLE TIMES
FOR THE REPORTING, WE HAVE OUR
RESPONSIBILITIES HERE IN THE
CITY COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY THE
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, AND
THESE OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITIES
GO TO THIS, TOO. NOW, IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO READ
THIS, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE
TOURED, GOING BACK TO THE
EARLIER POINT, THE EOC AND FIRE
ALARM CENTER, AND I HAVE TALKED
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT THAT WORK THERE. I
TALKED WITH THE NURSE'S LINE
THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS REALLY
NEEDED GIVING THE CHALLENGES WE
FACE IN TERMS OF DEMAND AND 911
SYSTEM, OVERALL. SO, IT IS AN
IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR
ARCHITECTURE. SO-- AND I HAVE
ALL THE CONFIDENCE IN TERMS OF
THAT VISIT AND CONVERSATIONS I
HAVE HAD, I SPOKE TO CHIEF
SKAUGENS YESTERDAY, HAVE FULL
CONFIDENCE IN THE SYSTEM, BUT
THAT SAID, WE DO HAVE OUR
RESPONSIBILITIES IN TERMS OF
OVERSIGHT, OVERALL SYSTEM. I
WOULD ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY
BE INCUMBENT FOR THE COMMITTEE
TO LOOK AT THE 911 SYSTEM AND
FIREARM ALARM SYSTEM AS A REVIEW
IN TERMS OF OUR OVERSIGHT
RESPONSIBILITIES, AND THERE WAS
AN EDITORIAL ON THE TOPIC,
ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE SYSTEM,
TOO, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL KIND OF
INTERCONNECTS, ONE THING IS FOR
SURE, THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED,
THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT
MOVING PIECES, AND SO LOOKING AT
THE SYSTEM AS IT RELATES TO THE
INCIDENT WITH MS. HOGAN, WHO
PASSED AWAY IN 2022, IT PLAYS
INTO THE SYSTEM ITSELF BUT ALSO
BROADER CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL.
SO THAT IS IT FOR TODAY'S CHAIR
COMMENT Y. DID THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE,
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE TWO POINTS,
ACKNOWLEDGMENT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT, AND THEN TO REVIEW
WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, WITH
CENTRAL STAFF, AND OTHERS MOVING
FORWARD. OKAY. WITH THAT CHAIR
COMMENT, WE PROCEED TO HYBRID
PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT
SHOULD RELATE TO ITEMS ON
TODAY'S AGENDA, PURVIEW OF THE
COMMITTEE. CLERK, HOW MANY
SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE TODAY?
>> I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON
SPEAKER AND ZERO REMOTE.
>> OKAY. OUR SPEAKER WILL HAVE
TWO MINUTES AND WE WILL START
WITH OUR IN-PERSON, THAT IS WHAT
WE HAVE. CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE
PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS FOR
THE RECORD?
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
WILL BE MODERATED IN THE
FOLLOWING MANNER, THE PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD UP TO 60 MINUTES,
SPEESHGERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE
ORD ER IN WHICH REGISTERED,
SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN
10 SECONDS ARE LEFT. MICs WILL
BE MUTED IF THEY DO NOT END
WITHIN ALLOTTED TO IMTO ALLOW US
TO CALL THE A NEXT SPEAKER. NOW
OPEN AND WILL BEGIN WITH FIRST
SPEAKER ON THE LIST, THE FIRST
SPEAKER IS HOWARD GALE.
>> GOOD MORNING. OFFICE OF
INSPECTOR GENERAL RECENTLY
REPORTED THE REVIEW OF THE
POLICE ASSAULT ON PROTESTERS AT
CAL ANDERSON PARK LAST MAY,
RESULTING IN MANY INJURIES AND
23 PROTESTERS UNCONSTITUTIONALLY
ARRESTED. THEY DIAGNOSED THE
EVENT AS A MISUNDERSTANDING. THE
WORDS OF SPD OFFICER LIEUTENANT
MATTHEW DITIER, IN CHARGE OF
CROWD CONTROL MADE CLEAR THIS
WAS NO MISUNDERSTANDING. HE SAID
TO THE OFFICERS UNDER HIS
COMMAND "WE ARE GOING IN THIS
TIME WITH GUNS BLAZING AND ALL
OUR PIECES IN PLACE. WE ARE PAST
TALKING TO PEOPLE, WE ARE HERE
TO
PEOPLE UP NOW, WE ARE DONE WITH
THESE GUYS, THEY PUSHED THE
ENVELOPE AND THEY WILL GET THE
FULL SOMETHING OR OTHER." NOT A
SINGLE OFFICER OBJECTED.
ASSERTED ONE OFF ADMIRATION,
THREE DAYS LATER OFFICERS ONCE
MORE DEMONSTRATED EXTREMELY
BIASED POLICING IN FAVOR OF
RIGHT WING PROVOCATEURS
UNLEASHING MORE VIOLENCE AND
ARREST, AT LEAST EIGHT, RIGHT IN
FRONT OF CITY HALL. THERE WERE
OTHER SMALLER, BUT SIMILAR
ACTIONS LAST YEAR AND IN 2024,
FOR EXAMPLE, IN FEBRUARY, 24
WHEN OFFICERS SLASHED TRIERS OF
PROTESTERS AND SLAMMED ELDERLY
LADY TO THE GROUND, ARRESTING
TEENAGERS FOR GRAFFITI AND
CHARGING ONE WITH A FELONY. LAST
FALL WE SAW REPEATED INSTANCES
OF SPD OFFICERS BEING
INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE'S FEARS
OF ICE AGENTS AND IGNORING A
CREDIBLE GUN THREAT WHEN HE
THREATENED FOLKS IN THE SOMALI
COMMUNITY. TWO WEEKS AGO WE
HEARD FROM CHIEF AMY BARDEN OF
CARE, THAT SPD OFFICERS WERE
RENDERING SERVICES 72% UNUSABLE,
PREVENTING THEM FROM GOING TO
CALLS THAT DID NOT REQUIRE A
BADGE, A GUN, OR NEEDLESS
VIOLENCE. WE HAVE THE NEW
ELECTION OF A PRESIDENT, RIGHT
WING, DETERMINED AS THE PREVIOUS
PRESIDENT, TO ACT IN WAYS THAT
ARE OPPOSITE OF SEATTLE'S
VALUES. OVER THE LAST 26 YEARS
THERE HAVE BEEN EIGHT YEARS
WHERE SEATTLE POLICE KILLED MORE
THAN THREE PEOPLE IN A YEAR.
LAST YEAR WAS ONE OF THOSE. WITH
SEATTLE POLICE KILLING FOUR
PEOPLE, THE SECOND HIGHEST
NUMBER OF HE HAPPEN IN OVER A
QUARTER CENTURY. NEXT WEEK WILL
MARK THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF
URBAN GUNNED DOWN WHILE HE WAS
IN CRISIS. COUNCIL MEMBER RINCK,
I ASKED YOU A YEAR AGO TO HAVE A
TOWN HALL ON POLICE REPEATEDLY
KILLING PEOPLE IN CRISIS, THAT
HAS NOT HAPPENED.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MORE SHOOTINGS THAN 74% OF
CITY POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE
UNITED STATES.
>> THANK YOU, MR. GALE.
>> WRIL END BY SAYING THIS, IT
IS NO SURPRISE THIS COUNCIL IS
SO RELUCTANT TO HAVE SEATTLE--
>> THANK YOU, MR. GALE.
>> MR. GALE, STOP. MR. GALE,
STOP.
PUBLIC COMMENT HAS EXPIRED. WE
WILL NOW PROCEED. BEFORE DOING
SO, I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD,
AND I SAID THIS YESTERDAY, I
MEANT WITH THE LGBTQ PLUS
COMMISSION LAST WEEK TALKING
THROUGH THE ISSUES TO INCLUDE
THE CAL ANDERSON PROTESTS, AND I
TOLD THEM, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE
ARE GOING TO DO A REVIEW AND
COMMITTEE OF THE SENTINEL REVIEW
THAT WAS DONE ON THAT CAL
ANDERSON PROTEST, HAVING THREE
ACCOUNTABILITY COME TO SPEAK TO
IT, INCLUDE OIG, WHICH WAS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REPORT, THE
CPC, WHICH WAS PARTNERING IN
THAT EFFORT, AND ALSO OPA. WE
ARE GOING TO DO THAT IN MAY, NOT
GOING TO SAY THE EXACT DATE
BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO DO
COORDINATION ON THAT. AND THAT
IS FULFILLMENT OF MY WORD ON
THIS TOPIC, AND THAT WE ARE
GOING TO DO THIS. I BELIEVE
DOING IT IN THE MANNER THAT I
HAVE SAID WILL ACTUALLY BRING
DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS, DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVES ON THE TOPIC, AND
GET TO IT BETTER. WE WILL
CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AS
I HAVE HAD WITH CHIEF BARNS AND
OTHERS. TO BE BLUNT. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. WE WILL PROCEED TO
OUR ITEMS OF BUSINESS MEMBERS OF
PPUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO SIGN
UP OR E-MAIL THE COUNCIL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER 121164,
ORDINANCE RELATING TO CIVIL
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
PROHIBITING CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT STAGING ON ALL REAL
PROPERTY THAT IS CITY OWNED AND
CONTROLLED AND ADDING A NEW
CHAPTER 14.125 TO THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> THANK YOU.
CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR
THE RECORD? GREG DOSS, COUNCIL
STAFF.
>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO COUNCIL
BILL, BASICALLY A SUMMARY OF THE
MEET LAST MEETING?
>>
>> ALL FIRST HEARD ON FEBRUARY
24th IN YOUR LAST MEETING AND
THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE USE OF
CITY-OWNED AND CONTROLLED
PROPERTY FOR CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT STAGING OPERATIONS,
INCLUDING ACTIONS TO IMMOBILIZE
OR DEPLOY PERSONNEL VEHICLES OR
EQUIPMENT FOR CIVIL IMMIGRATION
STAGING, ENFORCEMENT STAGING, OR
FOR SURVEILLANCE OR LOGISTICAL
COORDINATION OPERATIONS.
>> OKAY. WE HAD THIS IN THE LAST
MEETING, SO, AS PART OF THE
PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, I DO
WANT TO MOVE THE BILL, SO I MOVE
TO RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF COUNCIL
BILL 121164. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> WE GOT A SECOND IN STEREO,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVED AND
SECONDED TO RECOMMEND PASS AGE
OF THE BILL. OKAY, COLLEAGUES,
BEFORE DISCUSSING, WE DO HAVE AN
AMENDMENT AND COUNCIL MEMBER
LIN? MOVE TO YOU.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH,
CHAIR. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO
MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 TO
COUNCIL BILL 121164, THIS IS
AMENDMENT AUTHORED BY COUNCIL
MEMBER FOSTER AND I WOULD LIKE
TO ALLOW MY COLLEAGUE TO SPEAK
TO THE AMENDMENT. DO WE NEED A
SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR, AND
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL
MEMBER LIN, FOR SPONSORING THIS
AMENDMENT. I GREATLY APPRECIATE
IT. SO, COLLEAGUES, I SPOKE TO
THIS BRIEFLY AT COUNCIL BRIEFING
YESTERDAY. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT
THAT I AM BRINGING FORWARD AND
IT IS A SMALL CHANGE THAT I
BELIEVE HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT
TO THE LANGUAGE AND IT HELPS US
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
COVERING MORE PROPERTIES IN
WHICH A CITY HAS A REAL
INTEREST. SO, IN EFFECT, WE ARE
MOVING FROM SAYING CITY OWNED
AND CONTROLLED TO CITY OWNED OR
CONTROLLED IS THE SMALL LANGUAGE
CHANGE. I WANT TO THANK MR. DOSS
FOR THE RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO
THIS AMENDMENT. AS YOU HEARD IN
THE INITIAL COUNCIL BRIEFING,
THERE IS 47 PROPERTIES THAT
WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS
LANGUAGE CHANGE. THE AREAS WHERE
COMMUNITY MEMBERS COME TO
RECEIVE SERVICES AND EXPRESSES
CITY IN OUR ROLE AS PROPERTY OWN
PROPERTY UNDER EXPANSION
LANGUAGE. SO THAT MEANS PLACES
THE PUBLIC EXPERIENCES VERY MUCH
AS THE CITY OF SEATTLE, BUT MAY
NOT BE A PLACE WHERE WE OWN AND
CONTROL WOULD BE COVERED. SO, I
BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED THAT LIST
FROM MY STAFF EARLIER THIS WEEK
TO HELP GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE
MEANING AND IMPACT OF THE SMALL
CHANGE AND ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
FOSTER. IFLUSH COORD INATION ON
THE FLOOR, RESPONSE TO THIS. I
WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. DOSS, CAN
YOU SPEAK TO THIS AMENDMENT TO
INCLUDE COORDINATION THAT WAS
DONE, FOR EXAMPLE, CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE
CENTRAL STAFF, MYSELF AND LAUREN
HENRY WORKED WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO COME UP
WITH THE LANGUAGE YOU FIND IN
THE BILL, SPECIFICALLY PART B
UNDER THE ACTIVE LANGUAGE IN
SECTION TWO. THAT LANGUAGE, AS
THE SPONSOR CHANGES CITY OWNED
AND CONTROLLED TO CITY OWNED OR
CONTROLLED AND DEFINES CONTROL
IN A WAY WHERE IT CAPTURES MORE
PROPERTY, IT SAYS FOR THE
PURPOSE OF THIS CHAPTER, A
CITY-CONTROLLED PROPERTY IS ANY
REAL PROPERTY IN WHICH THE CITY
POSSESSES ANY OWNERSHIP INTEREST
OR LEASE HOLD INTEREST AND FOR
WHICH THE CITY HAS NOT AGREED
THROUGH CONTRACT OR LEGAL
INSTRUMENT AS PERTAINS TO THE
ENFORCEMENT OF THIS CHAPTER.
ESSENTIALLY, WHAT THAT DOES AS
THE SPONSOR SAYS, IS OPENS IT UP
TO THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF
PROPERTIES, PROPERTIES THE CITY
LEASES TO PROVIDERS, CBO, FOLKS
WHO PROVIDED ESSENTIAL SERVICE
VULNERABILITY COMMUNITIES, A
COMMUNITY CENTER, SORRY, A CORD
ORDINATION CENTER, CITY SERVICE
CENTER, WHERE THERE ARE VARIETY
OF DIFFERENT SERVICES AND LAST
MIGHT BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH
ANOTHER GOVERNMENT, LIKE KCHRA,
SO SORT OF COVERING WIDER NET
COVERING MORE PROPERTIES CREATES
MUNICIPAL PURPOSE OR ESTABLISHES
IN FINDING SECTION A MUNICIPAL
PURPOSE FOR ALL OF THESE
PROPERTIES AS KEY IN PROVIDING
FOR CITY SERVICES AND THEREFORE
ESTABLISHES THE CITY'S NEED TO
PROHIBIT CIVIL ENFORCEMENT
STAGING OPERATIONS, WHICH WOULD
SURELY INTERFERE WITH THE
PROVISION OF THE SERVICES.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DOSS.
COLLEAGUES, AS I NOTED WITH THE
COORDINATION, I READ THIS AND
WENT THROUGH IT, AWARE OF THE
CITY ATTORNEY'S INVOLVEMENT AND
VIEW, AND DID WANT TO NOTE THE
FINDINGS ARE VERY GOOD IN THE
SENSE OF IT CAPTURES THE
CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE AS
RESPECT TO FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT, PARTICULARLY IN THE
AREA OF IMMIGRATION, AND IT IS
GOOD TO NOTE THESE PIECES. I AM
IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT, I
WILL SAY JUST ONE THING, I THINK
THIS IS IMPORTANT PUBLIC TO NOTE
THE IDEA OF STAGING AND
OPERATION. STAGING AND OPERATION
IS A PREPATORY PHASE OF THE
OPERATION, AS OPPOSED TO A
SPECIFIC FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
OPERATION. I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOSE TWO
DIFFERENCES BECAUSE, IRONICALLY,
AS NOTED FROM THE FINDINGS, THE
ACTUAL OPERATIONS MAY BE AT SOME
OF THE LOCATIONS. SO WE NEED TO
BE MINDFUL OF THAT POINT,
REGARDING STAGING AND WHAT THAT
IS. BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY
POSSIBILITIES, LIKE PARKING LOT
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT
THERE COULD BE SOME STAGING.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THIS
BILL IN TERMS OF RELIEF, WORKING
WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE. SO WITH THAT, I OPEN IT
UP. COLLEAGUES, STARTING OFF
WITH, ASSUMING THIS IS A NEW
HANDBOOK. COUNCIL MEMBER LIN? OR
IS THIS THE OLD ONE?
>> NEW HAND.
>> OKAY.
>> I WANT TO REPEAT MY THANKS
FOR THE ORIGINAL BILL, CHAIR
KETTLE, FOR THIS AMENDMENT, AND
SOUNDS LIKE FOR YOUR SUPPORT,
CHAIR KETTLE. I BELIEVE THIS,
THE MUNICIPAL USE OF THESE
PROPERTIES IS KEY, YOU KNOW,
WHEN WE ARE PROVIDING ESSENTIAL
SERVICES, WHETHER WE ARE
DIRECTLY OR THROUGH ONE OF OUR
PARTNERS, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS
CRITICAL THOSE SERVICES NOT BE
INTERRUPTED AND THAT THROUGH
SOMEHOW THIS, THE PROPERTIES
BEING USED FOR STAGING OR
COMMANDEERED BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. REALLY APPRECIATE
THE EXPANSION AND WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES
FOR THIS AMENDMENT AND FOR THE
ORIGINAL BILL. OKAY. THANK YOU,
COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER
FOSTER, YOU GET THE LAST WORD. I
AM GOING TO FIRST CHECK AND SEE
WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS, FIRST,
IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS BEYOND COUNCIL MEMBER
LIN, AND THEN BEFORE COUNCIL
MEMBER FOSTER, I WILL CHECK IN
WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RINCK, I AM
NOT SEEING HANDS RAISED.
>>
>> THANK YOU, I WILL CHIME IN
BRIEFLY TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR
THE AMENDMENT AND TO THANK
COUNCIL MEMBER FOSTER FOR HER
AUTHORSHIP OF IT. TO REALLY
INSURE THAT OUR CITY CAN DO ITS
CHARTERED OBLIGATIONS WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE SAFE
AND NOT ERODE TRUST IN
GOVERNMENT. OUR OFFICES HEAR
FROM FOLK WHOSE ACCESS CITY
SERVICES AND A PLACE OR
LANGUAGE, LANGUAGES CULTURALALLY
APPROPRIATE FOR THEM, ONLY
POSSIBLE THROUGH CITY LEASING,
EITHER FROM A THIRD PARTY OR
MANAGING THROUGH PARTNERSHIP. WE
KNOW THE WORK OF SERVING ISN'T
DONE ALONE AND WE ARE EXTENDING
PROTECTIONS TO PROHIBIT STAGING
ON A VARIETY OF PROPERTIES IN
THEIR CITY AND I URGE SUPPORT
FROM THE COMMITTEE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> AGAIN, BEFORE GOING TO
COUNCIL MEMBER FOSTER, OKAY,
COUNCIL MEMBER FOSTER, YOU GOT
THE LAST WORD.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. I
APPRECIATE IT. AGAIN, I WANT TO
THANK MR. DOSS, FOR YOUR
SUPPORT. I FORGOT IN MY OPENING
REMARKS TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER
RINCK, I WENT WE BOTH WENT TO
MR. DOSS WITH VERY SIMILAR
QUESTIONS AROUND THE SAME TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON
THIS ISSUE AS WELL. WITH THAT, I
WILL SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION TO MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE, AND THAT IS IT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WILL YOU
PLEASE CALL ROLL ON THE ADOPTION
OF AMENDMENT TWO? AMENDMENT TWO,
FOR THE CLERK WORLD, AMENDMENT
NUMBER TWO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER LIN.
>> YES.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA.
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE.
>> AYE.
>> FIVE IN MAFSH.
>> AMENDMENT TWO IS DOPTED.
>>> BEFORE MOVING ON THE FULL
BILL, I WANTED TO GIVE THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR COLLEAGUES TO
SPEAK TO THE OVERALL STAGING
BILL THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. ANY
COMMENTS, VICE CHAIR? NO
COMMENTS? GREAT.
>> COLLEAGUES, I THINK THIS IS
IMPORTANT WORK WE ARE DOING, A
PART OF SET OF BILLS WE ARE
ACCOMPLISHING. WE ARE
APPROXIMATELY HALF WAY THROUGH
THE CURRENT SET THAT WE HAVE,
AND I THINK THESE BILLS IN
COMBINATION DEFINITELY SHOW
LEADERSHIP FROM THE CITY. IT
SHOWS OUR INTENT AND OUR
CONCERNS AND THE CONSIDERATIONS
THAT WE ARE DOING IN FAVOR OF
THAT. SO, DOING THIS BILL IS
KEEPING WITH THE CONSTITUTION,
WITH OUR RIGHTS OF A STATE AS
UNDERSTOOD WITH THE
CONSTITUTION. I THINK IT IS,
AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
MAKE A STATEMENT VALUES, SHOW WE
ARE A WELCOMING CITY. WILL YOU
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL TO ADOPT 1
TO 1164?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER LIN.
>> YES.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA.
>> AYE.
>> CHAIR KETTLE.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR, NONE OPPOSED.
>> THE MOTION CARRIES AND
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION THE
COUNCIL MEMBER BILL ADOPTED WILL
BE SENT TO MARCH 17th CITY
COUNCIL MEETING.
>> THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES.
>>> WE WILL MOVE TO OUR SECOND
ITEM OF BUSINESS, WILL THE CLERK
PLEASE READ ITEM TWO INTO THE
RECORD?
>> DRAFT LEGISLATION OF
AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE
RECOGNITION DATA PROTECTION.
>> MR. DOSS IS STILL WITH US AT
THE TABLE. YOU ALREADY
INTRODUCED YOURSELF FOR THE
RECORD. MR. DOSS, CAN YOU SPEAK
TO THIS LEGISLATION RELATED TO
AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE
RECOGNITION PROGRAM?
>> YES, THANK YOU. GOING TO BE
TALKING TODAY ABOUT A BILL AND
REFER TO IT AS TMP12288, THAT IS
NUMBER THAT THE SYSTEM ASSIGN TO
A DRAFT BILL THAT HASN'T BEEN
INTRODUCED, EXPECT THE BILL WILL
BE INTRODUCED TUESDAY THE 17th,
IT IS A DRAFT THAT IS AUTHORED
AND SPONSORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
RINCK, PROVIDE YOU WITH AN
OVERVIEW TODAY OF THAT DRAFT AND
ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND THEN I
BELIEVE, MR. CHAIR, YOU ARE
GOING TO HAVE A SECOND HEARING
ON THAT AT THE NEXT PUBLIC
SAFETY MEETING, BY THAT TIME IT
WILL BE OFFICIAL BILL AND OPEN
FOR AMENDMENT. I WILL JUMP INTO
THE CONTENTS OF THE BILL, THE
BILL WOULD SPECIFY CONDITIONS
FOR MANDATORY 60 DAY PAUSE IN
DATA COLLECTION FOR THE CCTV AND
AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE
RECOGNITION SYSTEMS, THERE IS
CURRENTLY A PAUSE PROVISION FOR
CCTV, AND I WILL GET TO THAT IN
A SECOND. THE CITY PASSED, IN
JUNE OF 2024, ORDINANCE 127044,
WHICH APPROVED SPD'S USE OF
ALPR TECHNOLOGY FROM LIMITED USE
TO FLEET WIDE EXPANSION. THE
ORDINANCE CONTAINED A NUMBER OF
RESTRICTIONS ON HOW THE DATA
COULD BE USED, AND PLACED
REQUIREMENTS ON THE SPD AROUND
DATA DISCLOCHE TO THE PUBLIC OR
OTHER GOVERNMENTS. THE CITY
COUNCIL FIRST AUTHORIZED CCPV IN
OCTOBER 2024, A PILOT
AUTHORIZATION FOR CAMERAS ON
AURORA AVENUE, NORTH, BELL TOWN,
THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT,
DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL CORE. IN
SEPTEMBER OF 2025, THE CITY
COUNCIL AUTHORIZED MORE CAMERAS,
THEY AUTHORIZED THROUGH
ORDINANCE 127297 EXPANSION TO
THE CAPITOL HILL NIGHT LIFE
AREA, GARFIELD HIGH SCHOOL
NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT MOST RECENT
EXPANSION CONTAINED A PROVISION
IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED
FOR A 60-DAY OR REQUIRE A 60-DAY
PAUSE OF DATA COLLECTION IF THE
CITY OR VENDOR RECEIVED A
WARRANT, SUBPOENA, OR COURT
ORDER FOR SEATTLE CTTV DATA THAT
MIGHT BE USED IN FEDERAL, CIVIL,
IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT MATTER
OR OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW
REQUEST FOR DATA THAT MIGHT BE
USED FOR CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT MATTER. WITH THAT AS
BACKGROUND, I WILL GO INTO WHAT
THIS BILL DOES. THIS BILL WOULD
EXPAND TO SPD PATROL ALPR SYSTEM
THE SAME 60-DAY PAUSE THAT
APPLIES TO CCTV THAT WAS PUT
INTO THE SEPTEMBER 2025
LEGISLATION. IT WOULD ALSO
REQUIRE THE 60-DAY PAUSE WOULD
APPLY TO CCTV OR ALPR FOOTAGE IF
THAT FOOTAGE IS USED IN A MANNER
TO ENFORCE AGAINST REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTHCARE. IT WOULD REQUIRE
60-DAY PAUSE OF CCTV OR ALPR
DATA COLLECTION IF THE MAYOR OR
POLICE CHIEF DETERMINED THE DATA
COULD BE USED FOR CIVIL
IMMIGRATION OR REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTH ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES,
INCLUDING USES THAT MAY OCCUR
CONCURRENTLY WITH INCREASED
PRESENCE OF CIVIL INGRATION
ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL IN
SEATTLE. IF THERE IS A SURGE IN
SEATTLE OF CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL, THE MAYOR
COULD DETERMINE THAT IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE POLICE
CHIEF, THE CAMERA SHOULD BE
TURNED OFF. AND THEN, FINALLY,
ON THE FLIP SIDE, THE MAYOR
COULD ISSUE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER
THAT WOULD TEMPORARILY RESUME
DATA COLLECTION OF CCTV AND
ALPR, SHOULD THE MAYOR BELIEVE
THAT DATA COLLECTION IS
NECESSARY TO GATHER AND TRANSMIT
TO PROSECUTORS, EVIDENCE OF
POTENTIALLY UNLAWFUL ACTS THAT
OCCURRED DURING CIVIL
ENFORCEMENTS, CIVIL IMMIGRATION
ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES. THE BILL
ITSELF WILL HAVE NO FISCAL
IMPACT. SPD HAS BEENICT IN
CONTACT WITH THE VENDOR WHO SAID
IT CAN IMPLEMENT WITHIN A DAY
SYSTEM WIDE SHUTDOWN OF THE ALPR
NETWORK, OF COURSE CCTE NETWORK
HAD TO COMPLY WITH THE PROVISION
IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025, SO WE KNOW
THAT IS COVERED AS WELL. THIS
BILL IS EXPECTED TO BE BEFORE
YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING WHERE
THERE WILL BE OPTIONS FOR
AMENDMENTS. I AM AVAILABLE TO
TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
OKAY. THERE IS MY HAND.
>> OKAY. UNLESS VICE CHAIR HAS
ANY, WE WILL GO STRAIGHT TO YOU,
COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ. OVER TO
YOU.
>> DOES THE VICE CHAIR HAVE
QUESTIONS?
>> GO AHEAD.
>> GREAT. GREG, THANK YOU FOR
THE MEMO, IT IS DATED MARCH 6th,
CORRECT?
>> CORRECT.
>> OKAY. SO, ON PAGE TWO, THE
THING THAT I JUST FOCUSED IN ON
THAT I WAS STILL TRYING TO GET
CLARIFICATION , WHEN YOU GO
THROUGH DATA NUMBER ONE, THE
LAST SENTENCE IS WHERE I WANT--
I GET A LITTLE WONKY HERE,
IMPLEMENTED WHEN THE SYSTEM'S
DATA HAS BEEN REQUESTED UNDER
WARRANT COURT ORDER OR PURSUANT
TO LAW. SO THIS, AGAIN, THIS
ISN'T A CRITICISM, JUST A
QUESTION BECAUSEIER WAS
WONDERING WHAT ALL WE ARE
HEARING. WHAT WE ARE HEARING
UNDER I.C.E AND THE
ADMINISTRATION IS THEY HAVE
WARRANTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE
ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS. AN
ARGUMENT HAS BEEN, NO, YOU NEED
AN ACTUAL JUDICIAL WARRANT WITH
PROBABLE CAUSE FOR FOURTH
AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS. SO, WHEN
YOU SAY UNDER A WARRANT, DO WE
NEED TO DISTINGUISH A JUDICIAL
WARRANT? I KNOW THE NEXT WORD IS
COURT ORDER, BUT THAT IS A
LITTLE BIT-- ARE YOU SAYING
COURT ORDER IS JUDICIAL WARRANT?
IS THERE CLARIFICATION THERE? DO
WE NEED TO FIX THAT? CAN WE DO
THAT?
>> BECAUSE I AM NOT BUYING
ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT. THAT IS
NOT FOURTH AMENDMENT PROTECTION,
THAT IS ADMINISTRATIVE. A JUDGE
IS NOT ISSUING THAT. WHAT I AM
GETTING AT&WHAT WE HAVE BEEN
HEARING AND THE ARGUMENTS WHEN
WE CAN ARREST BECAUSE WE HAVE
WARRANT, THAT IS NOT CRIMINAL
JUDICIAL WARRANT. DO WE NEED TO
DISTINGUISH THAT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER, I NEED TO GET
BACK TO YOU ON THAT. I-- MY
INTERPRETATION IS THE SAME AS
YOURS, THAT WE ARE TALKING
JUDICIAL WARRANTS BUT I WOULD
ASK LAW, SPECIFIC QUESTION,
WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE
SPECIFIED IN THE LEGISLATION.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ--
>> I WOULD ASK, LET ME-- CAN I
ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION?
>> YES, GO AHEAD.
>> IS IT CRITICAL THAT WE GO
BACK AND BE LASER-FOCUSED ON THE
LANGUAGE ABOUT HAVING IT
QUALIFIED AS JUDICIAL WARRANT?
DOES THAT CHANGE-- AGAIN, IF YOU
THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO LAW,
DOES THAT CHANGE-- I JUST THINK
IT NEEDS TO. THAT IS MY OPINION.
I COULD BE WRONG.
>> LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON
THAT. IF IT IS THE CASE THAT LAW
RECOMMENDS IT SPECIFY JUDICIAL
WARRANT, THEN AT THE NEXT
MEETING, PER YOUR DIRECTION, I
CAN PREPARE AN AMENDMENT THAT
WOULD COVER THAT.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT Y.
THINK-- I HAVEN'T SEEN OTHER
CITIES DO THAT ON THE
DISTINCTION PIECE, THE ONLY
CONCERN IS IF WE PUT JUDICIAL
WARRANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT RED
FLAGS THAT WOULD WAVE Y. AM SURE
LAUREN IS LISTENING, SHE IS
PROBABLY WRITING THIS DOWN AS WE
SPEAK. IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO
US, IF THAT BECOMES A POTENTIAL
AMENDMENT, THEN I WOULD LOVE TO
SPONSOR THAT. THANK YOU, AND
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
JUAREZ. I AGREE WITH YOU. I
UNDERSTAND I HAVE BEEN OBSERVING
THE SAME PIECE. I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO MAKE A STAND. THE
QUESTION IS, HOW BEST TO DO
THAT. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS,
MINIMUM, CALL OUT WITHIN THE
WHEREAS CLAUSES AND BASED ON LAW
IN THE BILL PROPER ITSELF, BUT,
YES, THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT
POINT. IT VERY IMPORTANT HOW THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN
MISUSING FEDERAL WARRANT.
>> I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE
JUST IN THE WHEREAS, I THINK IT
HAS TO COME IN THE "AND
THEREFORE" IN BOTH PLACES.
>> YES. THAT IS, WHAT I WAS
SAYING.
>> IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT?
>> AT A MINIMUM. THEN IT IS JUST
A QUESTION HOW LAW THINKS ABOUT
MOVING FORWARD IN THE MAIN BODY
OF THE BILL.
>> IF I COULD ADD ANOTHER NOTE
FOR GREG WHEN WE LOOK AT A
POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO FOCUS IN
ON JUDICIAL WARRANT THAT WE HAVE
SOME FOURTH AMENDMENT LANGUAGE
IN THERE, UNDER UNITED STATES
CONSTITUTION, STATE
CONSTITUTION. I THINK IT IS
CRITICAL BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT
THEY HAVE BEEN USE AND IT IS
INCORRECT. THAT IS MY READ. SO,
I WILL STOP THERE. THANK YOU.
>> I AGREE. IT IS, AGAIN, ABOUT
SHOWING LEADERSHIP IN THIS CASE,
YOU KNOW, LEGAL PIECE, AND
CALLING IT OUT FOR WHAT IT IS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
JUAREZ.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? FROM COMMITTEE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK
YOU, GREG, FOR BEING HERE AND
THIS IS A NEWER PIECE OF
LEGISLATION, SO I KNOW WE ARE
INTRODUCING IT BECAUSE OF THAT
REASON AND BECAUSE OF THAT
REASON IT IS NEAR TO US AS WELL.
I DO APPRECIATE YOUR MEMO. I
APPRECIATE YOU POINTING OUT OUR
PAST LEGISLATION ON THIS,
PARTICULARLY THE PIECES THAT WE,
THIS COUNCIL, PUT IN PLACE ON
THE PRIVACY PROTECTIONS, AND TO
RESTRICT USE OF THIS
INFORMATION, AS WE WERE
EXPANDING IT IN ORDER TO HELP IN
TERMS OF CRIME. EXCUSE ME,
INVESTIGATION. WE PUT SOME
THINGS IN PLACE AND I JUST, FOR
THE RECORD, WANT TO SAY THAT OUR
FORMER COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER
MOORE, PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE IN
TERMS OF RESTRICTING USE OF THE
INFORMATION, REQUIRING THE
VENDOR TO IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY SPD
IF THE VENDOR RECEIVES A WARRANT
OR SUBPOENA SEEKING SPD, ALPR
DATA FOR ANY PURPOSE, INCLUDING
PURPOSES RELATED TO REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTHCARE, GENDER AFFIRMING,
AND COUNCIL TO CHALLENGE THE
WARRANTS, BASICALLY, OR
SUBPOENAS. THEN, ALSO NOTIFYING
SPD HAVING TO NOTIFY COUNCIL
UPON RECEIPT AS DESCRIBED ABOVE.
I WANT TO SAY THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE HAVE THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS, AS WE HAVE EXPANDED THIS,
REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, NOT
SOMETHING WE HAVE TAKEN LIGHTLY,
THE USE OF THESE TOOLS AND WE
PUT PRIVACY PROTECTIONS IN THERE
BECAUSE OF IT, AND IN ADDITION
TO MY COLLEAGUE, AND SHE AND I
WERE WORKING CLOSELY BECAUSE WE
BOTH HAD, AND GREG, YOU MAY
RECOLLECT WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT
PRIVACY PROTECTIONS WHEN
EXPANDING ALPR, I SPONSORED A
BILL TO REVISE IMPACT REPORT AND
BASICALLY LIMITING WHO HAS
ACCESS AT SPD TO THIS
INFORMATION REQUIRING TRAINING
ON THE TOOL, AND ALSO LIMITING
WHO HAD ACCESS TO IT, JUST THE
ONE PERSON AT RT, THE REALTIME
CRIME CENTER, WHO LOOKS AT THIS
STUFF, AND ALSO IF AN OFFICER
WANTED TO LOOK AT THE
INFORMATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO
FILL OUT A WRITTEN REQUEST AND
REQUEST PERMISSION. ALL OF THIS
WAS ATTEMPTING TO REALLY
RESTRICT WHO HAD ACCESS TO THE
INFORMATION, AND ALSO WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN IF THE VENDOR,
THEMSELVES, GOT SUBPOENA OR
WARRANT FOR SAID INFORMATION.
SO, JUST IMPORTANT TO ME, CHAIR,
TO HIGHLIGHT THE THINGS THAT
SOME OF US PUT IN PLACE RELATED
TO THE SAFEGUARDING OF THIS
INFORMATION, AND I HAVEN'T
FINISHED READING YOUR MEMO ALL
THE WAY THROUGH, GREG, BUT I AM
INTERESTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW,
HOW THIS THING THAT, THIS DRAFT
THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY
DIFFERS. THE 60-DAY PAUSE IS
WHAT I SEE AS DIFFERENT. I DO
SEE SOME OTHER PIECES HERE THAT
I AM NOT SURE HOW IT FITS IN, SO
I WILL BE REVIEWING, BUT IT WAS
IMPORTANT, CHAIR, FOR ME TO NOTE
FOR THE RECORD SOME OF THE
THINGS WE HAVE ALREADY DONE IN
TERMS OF PRIVACY PROTECTIONS SO
AS NOT TO LET THE PUBLIC THINK
WE WERE LOWING THESE TOOLS
WITHOUT REGARD FOR ALL THE
THINGS THAT WE CARE ABOUT IN
TERMS OF THESE PRIVACY PROTECHS,
PARTICULARLY REGARDING
GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE AND
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS BECAUSE
THOSE WERE TWO THINGS COUNCIL
MEMBER MOORE AND MANY OF US WHO
WERE HERE AT THE TIME, ARE
REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF INSURING WE
WERE PROTECTING. EXCUSE ME.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
RIVERA. BEFORE GOING TO COUNCIL
MEMBER RINCK, GIVEN THIS IS HER
AMENDMENT COMING THROUGH, BUT I
WANTED TO NOTE COUPLE OF THINGS,
ALIGN WITH CCTV IN TERMS OF THE
60-DAY PAUSE IF THERE IS SOME
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
INTRUSION, YOU KNOW, CONCERN AS
NOTED. I THINK THAT IS
IMPORTANT. I REALLY APPRECIATE
COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA, HER
POINTS, BECAUSE THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT IS LOST IN THE
CONVERSATION AND THE ARTICLES
AND REPORTS YOU SEE IN TV
RELATED TO OUR TECHNOLOGY
PROGRAM, TO INCLUDE ALPR, THERE
IS NO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE
CONTRACT LANGUAGE PROVISIONS
THAT GO TO PROTECT, THERE IS NO
TALK ABOUT THE PROCESSES THAT WE
HAVE WITH THE POINTS IN TERMS OF
COMPUTER AUDIT CAPABILITY,
INTENSE FOR ALL THE SYSTEMS,
BASICALLY AND NO CONSIDERATION
RELATED TO REALTIME CRIME SENTER
AND THE PIECES BUILT INTO THE
REALTIME CRIME CENTER, AS ALPR,
CCTV, AND OTHER COMES INTO THE
PROGRAM TO INCLUDE THE FACT
THERE IS ONLY ONE SWORN OFFICER
IN THE CRIME CENTER. LAST WEEK Y
WAS SPEAKING TO AN OFFICER FROM
THE WEST PRECINCT ABOUT THIS,
YOU KNOW, THESE PIECES ARE IN
PLAY, AND IT IS HAVING A
POSITIVE IMPACT FOR OUR
COMMUNITIES, POSITIVE IN TERMS
OF PUBLIC SAFETY POSTURE. I
APPRECIATE THAT. ONE ASK IS
GOING INTO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE
BRING THIS UP NEXT IN COMMITTEE,
SENATE BILL 6002 WILL BE
COMPLETE BY THEN, AND WE HAVE
HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OLYMPIA
ON THIS PIECE AS IT RELATES TO
THE STATE BILL ON ALPR, AND
THERE IS PROTECTIONS THERE TOO,
FOR THE 21-DAY PIECE, AND REALLY
IMPORTANTLY, AND THIS REALLY
ADDRESSES THE MAIN ISSUES, FOR
THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN
OPPOSITION, THE PDR REQUESTS,
EXEMPTION FOR ALPR, IT IS
MASSIVE, REALLY, THE COMBINATION
OF, LIKE THOSE TWO PIECES OF THE
STATE BILL, AND ALL OF THE
THINGS WE HAVE IN OUR BILLS,
REALLY COMPLETELY ALMOST
COMPLETELY, I DON'T WANT TO
GIVE MYSELF A LITTLE BIT OF
EXEMPTION THERE, CONCERNS.
I THINK WE ARE GETTING TO THE
POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW,
THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, SO, I
ASK TO A, MR. DOSS, IS REVIEW
THE BILL WHEN DONE, SEE WHAT
IMPACTS THERE ARE TO ALPR AND
OUR BILL, AND HOW THOSE THINGS
MAY BE FOLDED IN AS WELL. OKAY.
I WILL-- I LIED, I WAS GOING TO
BE THE LAST PERSON BEFORE GOING
TO COUNCIL MEMBER RINCK, BUT
VICE CHAIR SAKA.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WANTED TO
DOUBLE QUICK ON THE COMMENTS
MADE BY A MOMENT AGO BY YOU,
CHAIR, AND COUNCIL MEMBER
RIVERA, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE
THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE
ULTIMATELY, A FEW YEARS AGO,
BUILT THESE PRIVACY CONSCIOUS, I
THINK BEST IN CLASS PRIVACY
SAFETYGUARDS INTO VARIOUS PIECES
OF LEGISLATION, AND WAS NOTED,
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE WAS, FORMER
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE WAS ONE OF
THE ARCHITECTS, I, TOO, AS
NON-PRACTICING, YOU KNOW,
TECHNOLOGY LAWYER, WORKED VERY
HARDER TO BUILD IN ANY NUMBER OF
AMENDMENTS PASSED IN THE PIECES
OF LEGISLATION, AND SO WE CAN
NOT FORGET, YOU KNOW, THAT BODY
OF WORK THAT LED TO THIS BODY OF
WORK. I THINK THAT IS TRUE, AND
I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER
RINCK FOR BUILDING UPON OUR
WORK, AND BRING ING US ALL INTO
ALIGNMENT AND CHAMPIONING THIS
INITIATIVE. I WANT TO THANK YOU
AND YOUR LEADERSHIP AS WELL FOR
THAT. MULTIPLE THINGS ARE TRUE
HERE, AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO
SAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR SAKA.
OKAY. LONG PROMISED, AND NOW,
LAST WORD FOR COUNCIL MEMBER
RINCK.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR KETTLE, AND
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS TO
BE HEARD IN COMMITTEE. IT IS
GREATLY APPRECIATED. AS WE HAVE
DISCUSSED THIS LEGISLATION IS
SIMILAR TO THE AMENDMENT THAT
COUNCIL MEMBER KETTLE AND I
CO-SPONSORED WHEN WE TOOK UP THE
CCTV PROGRAM EXPANSION LAST
YEAR. WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD AN
ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARD FOR THAT
MANDATORY 60-DAY PAUSE AND DATA
COLLECTION FOR SEATTLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AUTOMATED LICENSE
PLATE READER PROGRAM. WE KNOW A
60-DAY PAUSE THAT THE CCTV60-DAY
PAUSE APPLIED TO ALPR COULD BE
ALLOW US TIME TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
SOME DECISIONS, AND SO, AGAIN,
TODAY'S DISCUSSION WAS FOCUSED
ON THE DRAFT ITEM, AND I WANT TO
NOTE FOR THE RECORD IT IS MY
INTENT TO PUT FORWARD AN
AMENDMENT TO THE DRAFT YOU SEE
HERE TODAY TO EXPLICITLY NAME
GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE AS A CAUSE
FOR A PAUSE AS WELL, TO MAKE
SURE WE HAVE BASES COVERED. THAT
WAS ININTENT BUT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT IS EXPLICITLY NOTED. I
BELIEVE THE LEGISLATION IS
ALIGNED WITH PREVIOUS ACTION
THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN WHEN IT
COMES TOWARDS PROTECTIONING A
NUMBER OF VOLNERABLE
POPULATIONS, NAMELY THE CITY HAS
TAKEN ACTION PREVIOUSLY TO
ESTABLISH THOSE SEEKING AS
ABORTION AS PROTECTED CLASS
WITHIN THE CITY, WE HAVE ALSO
TAKEN ACTION TO ADOPT THE STATE
SHIELD LAW AND INCORPORATE IT
INTO SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE. I
HOPE WE ALL CAN AGREE WE DO NOT
WANT DATA THAT IS COLLECTED
THROUGH AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE
READERS TO BE WEAPONIZED AND
USED AGAINST IMMIGRATION, THOSE
SEEKING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE
ACCESS OR GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE.
THIS WILL AMEND ALPR PROGRAM SO
IF WE GET SOME KIND OF SUBPOENA,
WARRANT, COURT ACTION, THE
PROGRAM WILL BE PAUSED AND I
BELIEVE THAT WILL ALLOW US TIME
AS LEADERS TO EVALUATE THE
PROGRAM AND MAKE, AND DECIDE ON
A PATH FORWARD. TO MY
UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVEN'T HAD
ANY KIND OF SUBPOENA OR WARRANT
ISSUED ON THE TECHNOLOGY THUS
FAR, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A TEST
CASE FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE,
BUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT
ABILITY TO, AGAIN, PAUSE AND
REASSESS THE PROGRAM, SHOULD
THAT HAPPEN, IS REALLY
IMPORTANT. I WANT TO THANK
COUNCIL MEMBER JUAREZ FOR YOUR
REMARKS AND QUESTIONS, YOUR
FOCUS ON INSURING THE LANGUAGE
IN THIS LEGISLATION, REALLY MAPS
TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING COMING OUT
OF COURTS IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM
AND WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE THE
ACTION THAT WE NEED. COLLEAGUES
FOLLOWING TODAY, I AM HAPPY TO
DISCUSS ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS OR
CHANGES TO, AGAIN, BETTER
REFLECT WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE
INTENT HERE. AGAIN, TRYING TO
BUILD IN MORE SAFEGUARDS TO
INSURE THIS DATA IS NOT USED
AGAINST OUR COMMUNITIES. THANK
YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
RINCK. ON THE LAST SENTENCE,
YES, I BELIEVE WE ARE IN
AGREEMENT WE CANNOT HAVE THESE
PIECES WEAPONIZED ON THAT, AS I
NOTED, I PROMISED THE LAST WORD.
UM--
>> PLEASE, CHAIR KETTLE.
>> OKAY THIS DISCUSSION LAST
WEEK.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I SAID,
WELL, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON
COLLEAGUE COUNCIL MEMBER
RINCK'S POINTS, I WANTED TO
THANK HER FOR INCLUDING DOING A
AMENDMENT TO ASPORT
GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE AS I READ
EARLIER, WE DID THAT WHEN WE
PASSED THIS LEGISLATION, I THINK
IN 2024, THE PETITIONS I READ
EARLIER. I SUPPORT NAMING OUT
GENDER-AFIRMING CARE TO ALIGN
WITH WHAT ALL WE DID IN THE PAST
FOR GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE, AND
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IN TERMS OF
THIS TOOL. I ALSO WANT TO
PUBLICLY TELL MY COLLEAGUE,
COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA, APOLOGIES,
DID NOT MEAN TO SLIGHT YOU, TOO
BROUGHT LEGISLATION, I HAD THESE
TWO ON MY MIND BECAUSE WE WERE
SO FOCUSED ON THIS REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS AND GENDER-AFFIRMING
CARE. BY THE WAY, NOT HAVING THE
TOOL USED INAPPROPRIATELY BY
ANYONE AT THE CITY AS WELL. SO
THERE WERE ALL THESE THINGS WE
WERE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF
PROTECTIONS FOR FOLKS. THANK YOU
FOR THE AMENDMENTS YOU BROUGHT,
TOO, COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA&THANK
YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RINCK FOR
YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BRING AN
AMENDMENT TO ADD
GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE, I SUPPORT
THE ABILITY TO DO THE PAUSE AND
ALIGN WITH CCTV PIECE. THERE IS
SMOTHER PIECE S IN THIS DRAFT
THAT SEEM OUTSIDE OF THAT, SO I
STILL NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF
THIS. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU
BRINGING THIS 60-DAY PAUSE TO
ALIGN WITH OUR CCTV. THANK YOU,
CHAIR.
>> OKAY.
>> AS NOTED, INSTRUMENTAL AS TO
PERSONS. AMBER AND SILVER
ALERTS, SUICIDE CONTACT PIECES,
REPORTS AS WELL. SO, VERY KEY IN
TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY POSTURE.
SO, WITH THAT SAID, I THINK WE
REACHED, WE WILL COME BACK TO
THIS IN COMMITTEE IN TWO WEEKS.
WE HAVE REACHED-- I WANT TO NOTE
FOR EVERYBODY, PARTICULARLY MY
COLLEAGUES, THAT THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE IS NOT EVEN AT
THE HOUR MARK, VICE CHAIR, AND I
AM ABOUT TO SAY WE HAVE REACHED
THE END OF TODAY'S MEETLING
AGENDA, IS THERE FURTHER
BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE WE
ADJOURN? ? COUNCIL MEMBER
RIVERA.
>> SORRY, CHAIR.
>> ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE SO EARLY.
>> YEAH, I AM THINKING OF THESE
THINGS AS WELL, I JUST WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS
ADMINISTRATION CAME IN AND
STARTED ATTACKING OUR VOLNERABLE
POPULATIONS AND AT THE TIME THE
GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE PIECE WAS
SO PREVALENT IN OUR MINDS
BECAUSE THEY CUT FUNDING TO
HOSPITALS AND SUCH, WHO WERE
PROVIDING GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE.
SO, AT THE TIME WE ALSO WERE
THINKING OF FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE
COMING HERE TO GET
GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE. WE WANTED
TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDED THOSE
PROTECTIONS, I JUST RAISE THAT
AS THIS CONSTANT OUR DOING
THINGS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS
AND PROTECT INFORMATION IS
REALLY IMPORTANT AND TO PROTECT
OUR LGBTQIA PLUS COMMUNITY HERE
IN SEATTLE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
ON THIS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF
LAST YEAR. I THINK IT BEARS
MENTIONING WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
ALL THESE PIECES, AS YOU LIKE TO
SAY, SINCE THE ADMINISTRATION
CAME ON IN TAKING THESE, YOU
KNOW-- TAKING THESE ATTACKS ON
FOLKS. SO, ANYWAY,.
>> YES, COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA,
AND FOR THE RECORD Y AM CERTAIN
COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA SPEAKING
ABOUT THE FEDERAL
ADMINISTRATION.
>> YES. FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION,
I THINK PEOPLE KNOW THAT IS WHO
I MEANT. BUT THANK YOU.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD. AND,
YES, VERY IMPORTANT POINTS,
IMPORTANT FOR TRANSCOMMUNITY, WE
HAVE HAD THEM HERE AT COUNCIL,
AND ALL ABOVE. WE ARE HEARING NO
FURTHER BUSINESS.
>> WAIT, WAIT.
>> I STARTED IT, SORRY.
>> ONLY BECAUSE IT IS 10:22,
VICE CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. APPRECIATE
YOU. JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP. I
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER
DURING THE CHAIR'S REMARKS, AS
CHAIR OF OUR SAFETY
TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING
PROJECTS AND EXPERIENCES
COMMUNITY. STEPS. WANTED TO
CHIME IN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I,
PERSONALLY, WAS NOT AWARE OF THE
SOUND TRANSIT'S PLANS TO--
CURRENT ENGINEERING INITIATIVE,
THAT WOULD DIRECTLY IMPACT OUR
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS,
FIRE AND THE LIKE. AND I DO KNOW
THAT CHANGE IS HARD, WITH ANY,
YOU KNOW, TRANSIT EXPANSION,
MAJOR PROJECT, AND WE ARE GOING
TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF
SOUND TRANSIT ON SPECIFIC SMALL
BUSINESSES, ON SMALL OWNER,
SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND
STEPS COMMITTEE, IN A LATER
DATE. CHANGE IS HARD. YOU KNOW,
BUT I AM CONFIDENT HAVING MET
PEOPLE WITHIN FIRE, EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT TEAM, MAYOR'S
OFFICE, THERE IS SMART,
COMPETENT, CAPABLE PEOPLE READY
TO PUT ALTERNATIVE PLANS IN
PLACE, AND RELOCATE, I AM
CONFIDENT OUR ABILITY AS A CITY,
TO, YOU KNOW, MANAGE THIS, ALL
OF THOSE CHALLENGES NOT
WITHSTANDING, WE ARE GOING TO BE
OKAY. I AM ALSO CONFIDENT, WELL,
I BELIEVE SOUND TRANSIT WILL
WORK WITH US TO NAVIGATE THESE
CHANGES. I HUNDRED PERCENT
SUPPORT YOUR BROADER CALL,
CHAIR, FOR TRANSPARENCY, WE NEED
MORE TRANSPARENCY, WE ALSO NEED,
I THINK SOUND TRANSIT CAN DO
BETTER SOMETIMES WITH CHANGE
MANAGEMENT. AND MORE
TRANSPARENCY BUT I AM CONFIDENT
THAT WE WILL BE OKAY IN THE END,
AND THERE WILL BE NO MATERIAL
ADVERSE IMPACTS TO OUR ABILITY
AS A CITY TO PREPARE FOR
EMERGENCIES, THINGS LIKE THAT,
AND I WILL, MY COMMITMENT TO AS
CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE, LOOKING
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO
NAVIGATE AND MANAGE POTENTIAL
IMPACTS, BECAUSE THE BROADER
GOAL OF TRANSPARENCY IS A SHARED
ONE. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, VICE
CHAIR. HEARING NO FURTHER
BUSINESS COME BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE, WE ARE ADJOURNED .